Tuesday Forum: August 27, 2019

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  1. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Oh dear, Arky, Phrasing indeed. Sorry about that.
    I doubt if ‘lower garden’ would have been any better though.
    And our garden is divided into two: front and rear.

    See, it is all very difficult once the mind is in the dirt track.

  2. John Constantine

    I was wrong about the chicoms bribing our political orcs with brown paper bags full of fivers.

    Completely wrong.

    As we see from today’s nsw announcements, we see the chicoms actually make the payments to politicals using plastic Aldi bags full of fifties.

    Will do better next time.

    Comrades.

    (Willing to kowtow for regular hundred grand cash payments though.)

  3. Zatara
    #3142865, posted on August 28, 2019 at 7:38 pm

    Coalition agrees to pass laws forcing priests to report child abuse

    Which will prevent child abusers from ever confessing to a Priest.

    Was that the idea or yet another unintended consequence?

    They probably wouldn’t go to confession and the rare few that did wouldn’t get absolution or forgiveness. The Padre hearing would advise them to confess to police before the sin could be forgiven.

  4. As we see from today’s nsw announcements, we see the chicoms actually make the payments to politicals using plastic Aldi bags full of fifties.

    Not very environmentally friendly of them.

  5. PoliticoNT

    I don’t know Lizzie. I went down the stability route and ended up with two gorgeous children, a dog, a nice house and cosy existence in the ‘burbs. Only it turned out wifey (very smart, cultured & funny) is a lady who would prefer the company of other ladies, and has an unpleasant and highly aggressive aversion to talking about anything. The latter issue is the far worse of the two – means nothing can ever be discussed. And I mean nothing. (I come from a stable, happy background so am deeply committed to keeping my own family together and happy….but I must admit there are days when I figure I would have had a happier life with the exotic Thai dancer I was engaged to 25 years ago.)

  6. Zatara

    Agreed Carpe.

    I’ll take it one step further though. Someone already pointed out that this proposed law only applied to Catholic Priests, rather than to say defense lawyers, counselors, mental health professionals, etc. which sounds decidedly un-evenhanded.

    But what really strikes me as off-kilter is that the proposed law restricts itself to reporting child abusers. What about reporting your basic assaulter? R-apist? Murderer? Tax evader?

    I mean why not go whole hog on this one as long as they are at it? Simply because they are (as usual) surfing the tide of immediate public angst. Legislating by emotion, not logic.

  7. Oh come on

    Was there a birdstrike that was cleaned up? The comments have moved backwards.

  8. Arky

    Only it turned out wifey (very smart, cultured & funny) is a lady who would prefer the company of other ladies,

    ..
    Have you tried shaving all your body hair and driving an MX5?

  9. Oh come on

    Why are all of CNN’s male anchors batty boys? Fredo is the token straight.

  10. John Constantine

    The legal opinion offered to the nsw political orc walking around with a hundred grand in chicom cash fifties thrust into an Aldi shopping bag was simple:

    Don’t talk about it, don’t make notes recording it, and she’ll be right.

    How often has more sophisticated payment been made to more rat cunning bastards and been covered up with silence?.

    I reckon we are to the stage of offering bounties for information leading to conviction on Treason offences.

    We want to see regular online auctions of the worldly goods of corrupt politicals, to pay the dobbers.

    Then we sell their kidneys back to the chicoms.

    Comrades.

  11. Old Lefty

    For once – amazingly – I agree with Daniel Andrews re an appeal against Haberfield getting bail. But how does he square this with his and his AG’ s insistence that the OPP (chief solicitor Mr John Cain III) is independent and apolitical? And that he and his Stalinist p3rv3rt thuggocracy had nothing to do with the Pell show trial?

  12. John Constantine

    Australian politicals have a Pavlovian response to activism, and a slavering hunger for cash in bags.

    Until these base responses can be tempered with a very real fear of the consequences of getting caught, we will continue to suffer scumbags in power.

    Simply, the first conviction for treason sees you donate one kidney to be transplanted to save a kids life.

    Second treason offence?.

    Second kidney donated.

    Comrades.

  13. MatrixTransform

    Sheridan

    I know that fella from a previous life
    …in a good way

    seems like yesterday he was doing his jurisprudence

  14. MatrixTransform

    … using plastic Aldi bags full of fifties.

    nobody has single use plastic bags anymore

  15. Frank

    Why are all of CNN’s male anchors batty boys? Fredo is the token straight.

    It is all the more terrifying since he appears to be straight.

    Brian and Jamie Stelter welcome second child, son named Story Moon

  16. Old Lefty

    And if the GayBC, which is vociferous in its support for Andrews’ Stalinist laws on the seal of confession, let it finally, after 44 years, cooperate with the police over the identify of Richard Neville’s p3d3rast mates to whom it have a PR platform courtesy of Allan Ashbolt’ Marxist kindergarten on Lateline in 1975.

    Oh, bit that’s different! Protection of journalists’ sources. Progressive heroes of the s3xual revolution.

    As Hendo likes to remind us, there is only one major organisation in Australia that openly endorses p3d0ph1lia: the ABC, which has never retracted the statement of Whitlam’s hand-picked chairman in 1975 supporting Neville.

  17. Bruce of Newcastle

    should I just get the birdlime or Lucijet for the crows?

    Chris – The way I discourage crows is to make sure there’s no food they can get. Unfortunately crows took the last two peewee chicks – and their next batch is about to hatch. The crow family hasn’t been around lately, which is a good sign.

    I don’t put out food for the various birds – the local rule is from the hand or go hungry (with an exception for ones learning). The crows are attracted by the other birds especially the currawongs, but don’t get any food and tend not to stay as they also get chased by the kookas, peewees and noisies. The noisy miners are the most effective. Not allowed to poison crows, they’re protected.

  18. dover_beach

    I’ll post it again cos it’s pretty funny – a short clip of Alex Jones going off in typical AJ style against closeted sleazebag CNN beta Brian Stelter.

    I can’t help but like Alex Jones.

  19. Gab

    Not allowed to poison crows, they’re protected.

    But ripping a child to pieces in utero is legal.

    What a sick society.

  20. zyconoclast

    German troops wait 8 years for new combat boots
    Since 2016 the German military — the Bundeswehr — has planned to provide troops with new combat boots. Now soldiers must wait longer to be properly equipped, something one member of parliament described as “grotesque.”

    German troops will have to wait until 2022 to receive new combat boots due to “limited production capacity in industry,” media reported.

  21. Oh come on

    It is all the more terrifying since he appears to be straight

    Bloody hell, dot. Naive much? From your article:

    NY1 traffic reporter Jamie Stelter and husband Brian Stelter, of CNN’s “Reliable Sources,” have welcomed their second child, a son named Story Moon. Their daughter, Sunny, is 2 years old

    Sunny and Moon? Ummm…

    The Stelters have been open about experiencing fertility struggles and miscarriages

    You don’t say. Funny, that.

  22. Leigh Lowe

    Knuckle Dragger

    #3142723, posted on August 28, 2019 at 3:49 pm

    Ah yes, the Ristevski job. Jesus wept.

    The entire thing was run as though it was a real-time doco on the Crime Channel, which I don’t watch because it infuriates me.

    A reasonably straightforward job turned into a complete shitfight.

    More than once I watched the news and said to Mrs L “He better be fucking guilty and they better get him cold on it”.
    Constantly running “appeals to the public” for information they already had about the car, whatever?
    Designed to put the weights on Borce Ristevski.
    It gets to court and the judge pulls the rug on the Prosecution over their bwilliant stwategy and rules big chinks of their case inadmissible.
    Borce pleads to manslaughter and gets 9 with 6 minimum, I think.

  23. Leigh Lowe

    Big chinks = big chunks.
    Don’t want to upset Beijing.

  24. Oh come on

    Alex Jones is right about Stelter, too. The MSM is the enemy, and Stelter is the perfect, precise embodiment of all that is wrong with the MSM.

  25. John Constantine

    A senior Labor staffer has told an inquiry he knew it was “unusual” an Aldi shopping bag full of cash was allegedly delivered to party headquarters by a Chinese billionaire in 2015.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-08-27/labor-staffer-tells-icac-he-was-asked-to-count-bag-full-of-cash/11453344

    Comrade Maaaaaates.

  26. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    German troops wait 8 years for new combat boots

    This, from the army that invented “Blitzkrieg?”

  27. egg_

    Micallef featuring mime clowns, plagiarist.
    Avid Cat reader IMHO.

  28. mh

    Stelter is a Tom Parsons type.

    Like Monty.

  29. Bruce in WA

    Unity ends on Jacinda Ardern’s New Zealand gun law reforms

    New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has lamented a fresh loss of unity on national gun reforms in the wake of the Christchurch terrorist attack.

    Opposition leader Simon Bridges says his party is unlikely to support a second raft of changes, including a national gun register, higher non-compliance penalties and new controls on dealers.

    The National Party’s position, attacked by Ms Ardern as well as the police lobby, is unlikely to scuttle the reforms, given they hold a minority of the seats in parliament.

    But it could set up a major dividing line between the two parties ahead of next year’s election.

    Along with farming, hunting and police lobby groups, National supported the first-wave reforms in March, including bans on semi-automatic rifles. Today, after a leak of the draft laws, Mr Bridges declared his likely opposition.

    Chris Cahill, president of the New Zealand Police Association, said he feared “politicking” over an issue which should be bipartisan.

    “I hope that all politicians, including National Party politicians, see the suite of firearms reforms as a once-in-a-generation chance to rid our communities of assault weapons,” he said.

    “We watch in disbelief how politics skews the gun debate in the United States. “I am certain New Zealanders do not want to see our politicians go down the oft- trodden road of ignoring the role firearms play in mass shooting after mass shooting, and do nothing about reforming gun laws.” Mr Bridges’ attempt to curry support as a tough-on-crime candidate was clear from his use of one well-rehearsed line on Wednesday.

    The Tauranga MP referred to the need to rid guns from the hands of “crims, gangs and extremists” and not “law-abiding citizens” no fewer than seven times in seven minutes.

    He’s declared himself a sceptic on a “costly” firearm register and called for the addition of Firearm Protection Orders in the next wave of proposals, which are yet to reach Cabinet.

    Ms Ardern fell back on the support of the Police Association for her new laws. “When the police are coming out strongly, saying this is exactly what we need to make New Zealand safer; I’d like to think the vast majority of New Zealanders, including law-abiding gun owners, would agree with that,” she said. “Owning a gun in New Zealand is a privilege. It’s not a right. “We’ve learned a hard lesson in New Zealand; I would hope that everyone will have learned it.” The reforms followed the killing of 51 people in the Christchurch mosque shootings last March, allegedly undertaken by Australian Brenton Tarrant who faces trial in May.

    From the Oz — paywalled.

  30. Old School Conservative

    A senior Labor staffer has told an inquiry he knew it was “unusual” an Aldi shopping bag full of cash was allegedly delivered to party headquarters by a Chinese billionaire in 2015.

    …..but not unprecedented?????

  31. egg_

    Utopia:

    “… haters”
    “You mean critics?”

    The Left can’t distinguish between the two?

  32. John Constantine

    AJL, the asx listed company fracking in Britain halves in shareprice after a 2.9 richter scale tremor is recorded in its fracking operational area.

    https://www.gazetteherald.co.uk/news/17863605.conservatives-make-historic-pledge-fracking/

    Social licence.

  33. Top Ender

    Benedictine monastery to open in Tasmania:

    The monastery, known as the Notre Dame Priory, will be home to seven monks, as well as their Prior — or leader — Father Pius Mary Noonan.

    Confusion reigns, but then again it is Tasmania!

    Link

  34. 2dogs

    Isn’t this just proroguing parliament for the duration of the normal conference recess? What is outrageous?

  35. Top Ender

    And speaking of the stranger states of Oz, there’s this in SA:

    …the apprentice had previously been tied to a ladder with duct tape, had his arms and face covered with silicon and permanent marker and had been locked in a shipping container.

    Then his supervisor: squirted flammable liquid onto the boot of a 19-year-old apprentice — who the ABC has chosen not to name — at the worksite. He then set the teen alight in what the tribunal accepted was “horseplay which got out of hand”.

    But the supervisor was not done: “Chenoweth followed him and squirted some more liquid onto the crotch area of the complainant. It was at this point the complainant became particularly scared … so he ran away.”

    Fined $21,000.

  36. zyconoclast

    Minister Robert Stivey buys 12 chapels to restore in Wales

    A church minister has bought 12 derelict valleys chapels with a plan to reopen them as places of worship.

    The Rev Robert Stivey, a congregationalist minister from Treherbert in Rhondda Cynon Taff (RCT), believes he’s spent up to £200,000 so far.

    His latest acquisition, Calfaria Chapel in Aberdare, cost just £25,000.

    Six of the chapels are in the Cynon Valley, three in the Rhondda Valley and three in the Merthyr valley.

    They are mostly former Baptist chapels.

    The minister said it was an “act of faith”.

  37. PoliticoNT

    Arky – thankyou for the kind words. Alas, the only thing I shave besides my face, is my left ankle, and then only before the occasional physio session. As for driving an MX-5….I own neither a fur stole, or a rainbow scarf, so it’s out of the question.

    Like I implied, it’s not the (enforced) celibacy I mind, it’s MrsP’s inability to talk about anything without flying into a rage. Good burghers like Lizzie aside, chicks are on the whole fucking woeful at communication.

  38. egg_

    Utopia:

    Their same token male Injun comic actor who pops up regularly on the Gummint payroll.
    Pasty with jelly belly, in character.
    Comrade.

  39. egg_

    Top Ender
    #3142913, posted on August 28, 2019 at 9:17 pm

    Das boot kamp?

  40. Knuckle Dragger

    A simple yet effective test when you’re about six weeks into what you think could be a relationship.

    If a ‘conversation’ starts with ‘You never’ or ‘You always’, walk – and walk quickly.

    Once of the great truisms of life: Women hook up with men hoping they change, but they don’t.

    Men hook up with women hoping they never change, but they do.

  41. zyconoclast

    What is is with bakeries and LGBTQLMNOP

    Russian Bakery Fined for Sign Banning Gay Customers

    A Russian bakery in Siberia has been fined $150 for hanging a sign at its entrance that banned LGBT people from entering.

    In 2017, a bakery in St. Petersburg owned by prominent Orthodox activist German Sterligov came under fire from LGBT activists for hanging a similar sign in its window to ban gay customers.

  42. Nob

    ohn Constantine
    #3142909, posted on August 28, 2019 at 9:06 pm
    AJL, the asx listed company fracking in Britain

    AJ Lucas .

    UK government can override local councils on fracking. Nobody would know about these tremors if it wasn’t for operators’ self-reporting.

    But media will report that they “admitted” it as if some intrepid reporter outed them.

  43. Leo G

    (One) of the great truisms of life: Women hook up with men hoping they change, but they don’t.
    Men hook up with women hoping they never change, but they do.

    Not so great for disaffected “hookers” one might say. A good think truisms are seldom true.

  44. egg_

    Women hook up with men hoping they change, but they don’t.

    Hence many hook up with sociopathic losers?

  45. Infidel Tiger

    Great stuff Boris Johnson.

    Onwards!

  46. MatrixTransform

    Women hook up with men hoping they change, but they don’t.

    the Crazy Old Mole just turned her chair around because I was ignoring her gibber about school, bad drivers, and how she’s feeling bloated

    I showed her why … TheDailyTimewaster

    She responded by telling me what to type into the search engine.

    I told her to fuck off

    She says, “you dont need to search what I want”

    I says, ” I know”

    she’s gone to bed

    luv her but … ffs

  47. Knuckle Dragger

    Matrix,

    Put the tennis on.

  48. MatrixTransform

    once a year mate … thats all.

  49. PoliticoNT

    Personally I’d like to hear more goss about Lizzie’s life. Lizzie? Over to you.

  50. Infidel Tiger

    Chapelle is a genius.

    This is the smartest bit of comedy you’ll see:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/RitaPanahi/status/1166677996792512513

    Man he can fuck with his audience.

  51. mh

    I wonder if Hustlers will be any good.

  52. Infidel Tiger

    BoJo has prorogued parliament.

    The Queen is now in charge of Brexit and Her Majesty wants out.

    Johnson has done as he said he would. Magnificent bastard.

  53. mh

    Wow. BoJo is putting Trump to shame with that move.

  54. Oh come on

    IT, don’t celebrate yet. It would be good if BoJo was playing hardball negotiating for a relatively simple free trade deal, but it seems as though he’s pushing for Theresa May’s deal minus the Irish backstop. That’s a crappy deal. There may still be a no-deal Brexit because the EU can’t adjust to BoJo’s 11th hour, poison pill-stuffed negotiating tactics, but that’s a helluva risk to run.

  55. egg_

    BoJo is putting Trump to shame with that move.

    Emboldened by Trump?

  56. Infidel Tiger

    It can and only will be No Deal Brexit.

    It’s what the Queen wants and what the people want.

    Thy will be done.

  57. Leigh Lowe

    Infidel Tiger

    #3142938, posted on August 28, 2019 at 9:58 pm

    Chapelle is a genius.

    Without doubt the most incisive comedian of our time.
    Daylight second.
    His Clayton Bigsby skits are brilliant.
    They side-swipe so many people simultaneously ot is not funny.
    Well, it is funny, but you know what I mean.

  58. johanna

    Not so fast, Boris worshippers.

    As I predicted, he is shilly-shallying about the terms of the exit. Latest news is that he will agree to something like what the unlamented Theresa May was offering.

    Boris wouldn’t know a principle if it bopped him on the scone, and changes his mind depending on who he last spoke to.

    Nigel is the only hope of decent leadership in the UK.

  59. MatrixTransform

    4th Reich stymied by Boris

  60. Leigh Lowe

    Top Ender

    #3142913, posted on August 28, 2019 at 9:17 pm

    And speaking of the stranger states of Oz, there’s this in SA:

    …the apprentice had previously been tied to a ladder with duct tape, had his arms and face covered with silicon and permanent marker and had been locked in a shipping container.

    WTF?
    Have these two morons been living under a rock for twenty years.

  61. Infidel Tiger

    Johanna of course has no idea what she is talking about

    Farage is a huckster and a spiv.

  62. Bruce of Newcastle

    NASA has captured satellite images of a giant pumice raft drifting near Tonga, revealing the rubble slick was once roughly the size of Manhattan, in New York City.

    I was looking at those reports earlier. It appears to be from this unnamed underwater volcano. It also erupted in 2001 producing similar pumice rafts.

  63. twostix

    A simple yet effective test when you’re about six weeks into what you think could be a relationship.

    If a ‘conversation’ starts with ‘You never’ or ‘You always’, walk – and walk quickly.

    Once of the great truisms of life: Women hook up with men hoping they change, but they don’t.

    Men hook up with women hoping they never change, but they do.

    You’re more degenerate and useless to the nation than a flaming oxford street prancing leather wearing fag.

  64. Leigh Lowe

    This is the smartest bit of comedy you’ll see:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/RitaPanahi/status/1166677996792512513

    Man he can fuck with his audience.

    Notice how the “whoop-whoops”, “yeah mans” and “damn right dudes”, went all silent when he delivered the quid pro quo?

  65. MatrixTransform

    …the apprentice had previously been tied to a ladder with duct tape

    waste of a good ladder

  66. mh

    Plenty here

    Boris Johnson asks Queen to suspend Parliament

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49493632

  67. dover_beach

    Father Pius Mary Noonan.

    Confusion reigns, but then again it is Tasmania!

    No confusion, Top Ender. It’s a monastic name and he appears to have a particular devotion to Our Lady.

  68. Leigh Lowe

    You’re more degenerate and useless to the nation than a flaming oxford street prancing leather wearing fag.

    This does not make sense.
    Leather is not flammable.
    Unless the person is wearing vinyl, then they could be ablaze, I suppose.

  69. MatrixTransform

    pumice rafts.

    When I was younger and just slightly prettier, Gunnamatta beach would have small pile of pumice all over the place.

    Haven’t seen it much lately

  70. twostix

    If I hear or read the the words “Our Democracy” one more time from the losers in “Our Democracies” who think they get to run the joint despite being the losers…

  71. Leigh Lowe

    Farage is a huckster and a spiv.

    Farage’s core skills are drinking pints, whipping the lads up over Brussels and telling the Euroflogs to go fuck themselves.
    Unsure how he would go in Number 10.

  72. dover_beach

    BTW, a new Benedictine monastery anywhere is a cause for celebration. I’d love one in my area, they can make Norcia brew. Another can open up down the road and make Roquefort cheese.

  73. Leigh Lowe

    When I was younger and just slightly prettier, Gunnamatta beach would have small pile of pumice all over the place.

    What colour was it?

  74. Oh come on

    Farage is a huckster and a spiv.

    FFS, IT. You can’t be a Brexit enthusiast without giving Nigel Farage his due. No Farage = no Brexit. It’s as simple as that.

  75. JC

    Farage is a huckster and a spiv.

    I dunno, artie. He’s kept to his core beliefs all throughout his political career. His party platform, outside leaving the EU, was kind of so so, but his core promise and desire to leave has been very consistent.

  76. zyconoclast

    Chechnya Inaugurates ‘Europe’s Biggest Mosque’

    Named after the Prophet Mohammed, the marble-decorated mosque has capacity for more than 30,000 people and has been described by the Chechen authorities as the “largest and most beautiful” mosque in Europe.

  77. johanna

    Farage’s core skills are drinking pints, whipping the lads up over Brussels and telling the Euroflogs to go fuck themselves.
    Unsure how he would go in Number 10.

    Huh?

    I’m not seeing the downside here.

  78. Knuckle Dragger

    Hi, twodicks!

    How’s life in the new monastery?

    Our democracies.

  79. mh

    Farage’s core skills are drinking pints, whipping the lads up over Brussels and telling the Euroflogs to go fuck themselves.

    The Farage speech in the European Parliament in front of a visiting Angela Merkel is stuff of legend.

    And no doubt still on YouTube.

  80. zyconoclast

    Russia’s Chechnya inaugurates what it says is Europe’s largest m0sque

    Named after the Prophet M00hammed, the marble-decorated mosque has capacity for more than 30,000 people and has been described by the Chechen authorities as the “largest and most beautiful” m0sque in Europe.

  81. Infidel Tiger

    Farage is like Hanson and the Greens

    These people never want power, but instead enjoy being the stone throwers on the side.

    That’s their bag. Agitators have their uses but they are useless at actually enacting anything.

  82. MatrixTransform

    What colour was it?

    black, charcoal, silvery-grey …. black

  83. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘oxford street’

    *Oxford Street*

    Because it’s a title, i.e. the name of something, you use capital letters. But only the first letter.

  84. johanna

    Matrix, I also remember seeing pumice at Gunnamatta and the nearby beaches as a young ‘un. I guess that underwater volcanic eruptions are fairly common, perhaps just usually not as big as this latest one.

  85. Oh come on

    Farage is the most consequential British politician alive. Assuming you aren’t a leftist, I don’t understand why this would be a controversial statement.

  86. zyconoclast

    Johanna of course has no idea what she is talking about

    Farage is a huckster and a spiv.

    Agree about Farage.
    I suspect BoJo is the lesser huckster and spiv.

  87. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Playing “Do you remember” with the Memsahib – great lunch, in a restaurant in Glasgow, years – the waiter was six feet tall, be-turbaned – the very image of the pride of the sub – Continent – and an accent that was pure Billy Connolly..

  88. German troops wait 8 years for new combat boots

    This, from the army that invented “Blitzkrieg?”

    That Warthog Merkel is in charge now.
    The Prussian aristocracy is long gone, as is their ethos of “defend the state & maintain dignity”.

  89. Leigh Lowe

    I dunno, artie. He’s kept to his core beliefs all throughout his political career. His party platform, outside leaving the EU, was kind of so so, but his core promise and desire to leave has been very consistent.

    Yeah, but his work is done.

  90. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    they are useless at actually enacting anything.

    A sterling attribute for any politician.
    The world would be a far better place if politicians stopped “enacting” things.
    We have way too many laws as it is.

  91. twostix

    Knuckles.

    This place already has a glut of boomer military fetishists who are terrified of girls and so never produced a family.

    The others are a lot more interesting than you though, even your shit posting is boring.

  92. MatrixTransform

    I reckon the pumice was on the front beach at Rosebud and Dromana as well.
    just cant trust my memory
    I assumed is was something to do with coal and kilns and lime

  93. John Constantine

    https://www.foxsports.com.au/cricket/australia/australian-cricket-great-doug-walters-lifts-the-lid-on-drinking-record-on-trip-to-london/news-story/37f83ad79204a970de9da6e15bb682f3

    Big Australia has chosen to genocide this culture, because our political orcs have a slavering appetite for aldi plastic bags full uf fifties, handed over by chicom billionaire property developers.

    We have tossed Dougie walters into the sausage mincer and churned out napalm clad, lead plumbed dogbox apartment ponxis and ranatunga ibn miandad captains-in-waiting as a replacement culture instead.

    Comrade Maaaaaaates.

  94. mh

    BoJo’s time to shine now.

    Hopefully Nige won’t be required.

  95. johanna

    Time will tell, you poofy fans of Boris’ fluffy mop top.

    He has a consistent record of inconsistency, although he is partial to greenie sentiments ATM because his current girlfriend is. Hence he signed up to a suicidal agenda to de-carbonise Britain by 2050.

    I bet you were among those here who thought that Julie Bishop would be a great PM.

  96. John Constantine

    But Walters revealed on Fox Cricket’s The Cricket Tragic, that he doesn’t count Boon or Marsh’s record, due to the pair having a head start due to living in different states.

    “I think 44 (beers) was my record,” Walters told cricket tragic Gus Worland.

    “And Marshy went over and had 45 but as I say, you only set the bar for someone to jump over. Marshy I say to him, I don’t give you the record. I started from Sydney, you started from Melbourne. You went Melbourne (to) Sydney, to London.

    “And I don’t give credit to Boony either because he started in Launceston. He went Launceston, Melbourne, Sydney to London.

    “We didn’t count the ones we had on ground. We only called those practice sessions, so we were in a pretty good mood by the time we got there.”

  97. Knuckle Dragger

    Oh, shit. Twodicks, I completely forgot to mention the boomer bit when you ingeniously unmasked me the other night in a partial demonstration of your Mrs. Marple-esque detective skills.

    I am in fact a Boomer. Born in 1947 I was, in a miner’s shack outside Toongabbie. We didn’t have much. I had to brush my hair with my fingers, and had to wear several live ducks on the days when it was so cold you had to finger yourself to have a piss.

    After carrying the family sheep to school, barefoot on Broken Glass Road I got a job as a chemist’s boy, thereby saving all my thripenny bits until I bought a small newsagency, married, and had six children who all died of polio. Then I went to Vietnam, but you’ve already heard about that.

    On my return I became head of an emerging mining concern called Rio Tinto. I retired at 37 with several dozen houses and drive Bentleys until they run out of fuel, then buy another one.

    I enjoy participating in the Cat discussions, and would particularly like to hear more from ill-informed poltroons who insist on commenting on matters they have no experience in.

    So keep ’em coming, twodicks. Does my old heart good, it does.

    Our democracy.

  98. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    those here who thought that Julie Bishop would be a great PM.

    Fair shake of the sauce bottle Johanna.
    Next you’ll be claiming somebody here thought Turnbull was a potentially great PM.

  99. twostix

    It seems so long ago that fake “conservatives” used to get on their knees for corporate power.

    Remember the heady days of the 2010’s? So long ago.

    Today:

    An Oklahoma judge on Monday found Johnson & Johnson and its subsidiaries helped fuel the state’s opioid crisis

    Oklahoma argued the companies and their subsidiaries created a public nuisance by launching an aggressive and misleading marketing campaign that overstated how effective the drugs were for treating chronic pain and understated the risk of addiction. Oklahoma Attorney General Mike Hunter says opioid overdoses killed 4,653 people in the state from 2007 to 2017.

    Hunter has called Johnson & Johnson JNJ, +1.44% a “kingpin” company that was motivated by greed. He specifically pointed to two former Johnson & Johnson subsidiaries, Noramco and Tasmanian Alkaloids, which produced much of the raw opium used by other manufacturers to produce the drugs.

    Next we’ll find out there’s a nice Afghanistan connection to these companies and the individuals in those companies involved in creating the opium crisis.

  100. Oh come on

    BoJo’s time to shine now.

    Hopefully Nige won’t be required.

    You’ve got this all wrong. BoJo’s PM because of the spectre of Farage, and if there’s one thing that’ll drive Boris to shine wrt Brexit, it’s the spectre of Farage.

    Nige was and is absolutely required until Brexit is delivered.

  101. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Born in 1947 I was, in a miner’s shack outside Toongabbie.

    LOOXURY!!! Used to live in a miners shack, on the Rabbit Proof Fence. Mass murderers an optional extra!
    “Snowy Rowles? Top young bloke, do anything for you…..”

  102. John Constantine

    The last of the old seasons dry hay has been placed in the counting out yard at the shearing shed for the fresh shorn sheep. Once the nights frost predictions were locked in this afternoon, we changed over and crutched a mob instead, but the trap remains that the available shearing slot is just for this week is overlapping with late lambing because of the heatwave at joining is overlapping with showery afternoons and is overlapping with frigid overnight chills.

    Plus the old sheephound is allowed to sleep inside on frosty nights and she snores like i did before the cpap machine.

    Plus the last booze in the house is an aromatic gin with Sloeberry and Bitters, handed over as a christmas present by a cheeky chick i used to know better.

    Comrades.

  103. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    An old PSA

    Don’t drop the pheromone soap.

    Do You Have Criminal Game?

    Economic Invincibility
    Published on Jun 10, 2019

    Donald Trump Jr was the bronze medal for Vannessa Kay (Trump). I guess he wasn’t alpha enough….he didn’t maintain frame…not having criminal game is just a cope…noting that criminals turning women on is hybristophilia is a cope…

  104. Siltstone

    Next you’ll be claiming somebody here thought Turnbull was a potentially great PM.

    Who could possibly be so out of touch with the real world to ever think that? Surely by now they’d admit their error?

  105. Knuckle Dragger

    Speaking of ill-informed:

    ‘who are terrified of girls and so never produced a family’

    Two can play this game.

    You’re None, aren’t you? What are your thoughts on Folau? Single mothers? P3ll? Dancing in public?

    Our democracy.

  106. JC

    Stix

    Opioid derives from opium. It’s never been a secret. How about this novel idea. Adults make their own decisions or in this case help form a decision on what to use as medication with their doctors who then prescribe the medication.
    The suit is meritless and we will find the award will be reversed.

    The fucking temerity of these plaintiffs requesting compensation from the firm that simply made the drugs available through prescription is truly shocking.

  107. John Constantine

    And i note that nobody has ever done Dougie Walters Flies with Biggles as fanfiction.

    Might take a bit more Sloeberry and Bitters Gin to fix this Travesty, but needs must.

    How many cans could Algy get down?.

    Comrades.

  108. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    his week is overlapping with late lambing because of the heatwave at joining is overlapping with showery afternoons and is overlapping with frigid overnight chills.

    Get used to it John.
    Drought, day time heat waves and frigid overnight chills is your future.
    And your children’s.
    And your grandchildren’s.

  109. Knuckle Dragger

    Tasmanian Alkaloids.

    The same company that started producing opium for export from part of Tipperary Station, near Daly Waters in 2015.

  110. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    The fucking temerity of these plaintiffs requesting compensation from the firm that simply made the drugs available through prescription is truly shocking.

    Can you imagine if this extended to alcohol, sugar, trans fats or even caffiene?

  111. Top Ender

    You’re one up on me Dover – never heard of a bloke cleric calling themselves Mary before.

    I am of course hoping the Benedictine monks start selling home-made Bénédictine, the king of Liqueurs. As I go down to Tassie often on rellie runs it will help ward off the cold.

  112. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    Who could possibly be so out of touch with the real world to ever think that?

    Economists?

  113. Knuckle Dragger

    None/twodicks couldn’t spell either.

    Coincidence? YOU BE THE JUDGE!!!!!

    Our democracy.

  114. John Constantine

    Dean Jones mentions the cans.

  115. Steve trickler

    Bald and his adventures in remote Russia. A world devoid of the young.



  116. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    Surely by now they’d admit their error?

    Economists don’t make mistakes.
    When I was at uni there was a standard joke that in Economics exams they asked the same questions every year. But they changed the answers.

  117. twostix

    Knuckles I’m sorry I didn’t read any of that past the first line, too long.

  118. struth

    I hear you Sydney siders will now be wrestled to the ground and fined for the act of watering your lawn.
    New cruisers are taking to the streets.
    The Adam 12s of hydration prevention to keep the piece.
    The piece of hose out of your hand.
    The government. ..lino….are still pumping hundreds of thousands of third world shit into this country and won’t build a dam.
    Why should it when you cowtowing NSWelshies will just die of thirst.
    If they can’t get you in the womb they’re still gonna get you.
    You filthy white colonial trash.

  119. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    ‘who are terrified of girls and so never produced a family’

    Why bother? You never know how many abortions a wife/gf may have behind your back.

    We’re talking about Australia, after all.

    Sure, men are paying for the abortions – but against their will as net taxpayers.

  120. Knuckle Dragger

    S’ok, None.

    The Cat (I’m told) is a broad church.

    All those with goldfish attention spans welcome.

    Our democracy.

  121. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Our democracy.

    This country!

  122. twostix

    Opioid derives from opium. It’s never been a secret. How about this novel idea. Adults make their own decisions or in this case help form a decision on what to use as medication with their doctors who then prescribe the medication.

    The aggressive marketing they’re talking about isn’t to the end user, it was to the doctors.

    Doctors were prescribing drugs based on lies told to them by the manufacturers. It’s absolutely the manufacturers at fault, they knew what they were doing.

    Also it turns out many doctors are shit.

  123. John Constantine

    After 52 cans from Sydney to London, Boony goes to the Fourex sponsors party and sinks pints afterwards.

    This culture must be wiped from the face of the earth and be replaced with social credit culture.

    Comrades.

  124. JC

    Here’s a thought that’s crossed my mind and it’s been swirling around for a while now.

    I’m NOT convinced yet, but I think there may be a possibility one of the reasons Australians suffer high home prices is also related to the fact that we’re a small population congregated around 5 or 6 lared cities and it’s the small population size that makes real estate more expensive. The reason is that satellite cities of the sort you have in America really don’t exist here. You can get a job.. a decent job.. in those smaller cities and also maintain a semblance of an urban life style. You can only achieve this through larger populations.

  125. Knuckle Dragger

    Interesting, JC.

    I’m trying to think of a joint with a similar population across the same land mass, but the closest I can get is Siberia.

    Never thought about that aspect.

  126. twostix

    Why bother? You never know how many abortions a wife/gf may have behind your back.

    Dot, don’t be a cuck all your life.

    Venture outside of the bugman hive, find a nice girl in the suburbs and she’ll love you long time.

  127. John Constantine

    Opioids.

    Still too early to replace them with medical marijuana because the Big Donors pharma aren’t set yet.

    Wait for hezbollah to start channelling chicom fentanyl into big australia through the mexican cartels.

    We could just switch over to non-fatal painkillers tomorrow, but the corrupt aldi-bag–full-of-fifties australian culture will not allow it.

  128. JC

    The aggressive marketing they’re talking about isn’t to the end user, it was to the doctors.

    So doctors never ever knew opioids are addictive, right? We’ve known only this for the past 150 year or so stix. If the Doc didn’t know this take it up with the fucking medical board.

    Doctors were prescribing drugs based on lies told to them by the manufacturers.

    List the lies.

    It’s absolutely the manufacturers at fault, they knew what they were doing.

    Of course they knew what they were doing. They were making prescription drugs to kill pain and it would be assumed that after 150 years of history the American medical fraternity would know opium could be addictive. But here’s the problem… prescribing drugs… any drug for that matter… carries risk and that means their are trade offs.

    Also it turns out many doctors are shit.

    See complaints to the medical board boards in each state.

  129. Lazlo

    It’s always about supply and demand JC.

  130. Lazlo

    Re property prices, that is.

  131. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Scott Morrison vows to deport child s#x assault security guard Morehammed Hassan Al Bayati

    John Rolfe, National political editor, The Daily Telegraph
    Subscriber only
    |
    August 28, 2019 7:47pm

    dailytelegraph.com.au0:26

    Prime Minister Scott Morrison has vowed to revoke the visa of an Iraqi man who arrived by boat under Labor then indecently assaulted a three-year-old girl at a Western Sydney shopping mall.

    “He has not only committed an appalling crime against an innocent child but against the country that gave him refuge and a new life,” the Prime Minister told The Daily Telegraph last night.

    It is understood Home Affairs Minister Peter Dutton will today formally begin the process of cancelling the permanent protection visa of security guard Morehammed Hassan Al Bayati, who was sentenced to 4½ years prison on Tuesday.

  132. Zatara

    Look at what you get for under a million in Portland. Sure, it needs refurbishment.

    Unfortunately, it’s probably next door to an Antifa clubhouse and the previous owners are buried in the garden.

  133. JC

    It’s always about supply and demand JC.

    Always is, along with price.

    Outside of LA, Chicago, Greater DC, New York, Boston and SF, I’m hard pressed to think of a US city with intensely large populations. I read and hear of a lot of people moving out of say New York because the cost of living is so high going to places even as far out as the Dakotas. Our friends’ son moved to one of the Dokatas as a federal prosecutor and this kid was born and raised in NYC.

    We don’t really have that choice here. How often do you hear of a person moving to Bendigo for work? I’m sure it happens but it’s so left field.

    We don’t have the range of supply and therefore the choices are very limited.

  134. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    The pool of marriageable women is incredibly small.

    There is nothing wrong at all in not getting married and never having kids.

    I professionally met a cute gal the other day that half honestly said she wanted a sugar dady.

    FFS.

    for better, for worse, for richer, for poorer…until death do us part.”

    Not bloody likely. Even if I had the means, the High Cucks of Australia ruled that BFAs are pretty much null and void because they’re nearly always “oppressive”.

  135. John Constantine

    JC, there are a lot of different maps besides the one single map you look at.

    It isn’t population, it is the fact that almost all of australia is uninhabitable to people like you.

    Remember the big transaustralia drive from Melbourne to Adelaide that JC liveblogged as if it was the outback?.

    That was all Inside Country, mostly two thousand dollar an acre farmland, except for the Three thousand dollar an acre stuff.

    Australia is only acceptable living conditions for a hours drive out from the coast for most, two hours drive out from the coast for the adventerous.

    Three thousand dollars a week is not enough money to get doctors or dentists or vets to go live three hours drive from the cities.

    Australia is just a narrow strip of land, with uninhabitable sea on one side and uninhabitable wasteland on the other.

    Comrades.

  136. struth

    Had a younger asian woman I was sitting next to in the plane start chatting away being too friendly.
    That hasn’t happened for a while.
    Never had an asian I thought to myself.
    Hm.
    Id go on but I’m not Dr BG.

    And don’t ou dare use a sprinkler or wash down your patio Sydneysliders, they’ll get you.
    They’re cruising down your street now.
    Starsky Singh and Hutch won’t accept a thousand apologies.

    They are doing this while the dams, with the huge increase in population , are still at 50 percent.

    Time for boxer to go to the glue factory and the pigs here couldn’t be arsed bullshitting o him.

  137. JC

    Unfortunately, it’s probably next door to an Antifa clubhouse and the previous owners are buried in the garden.

    LOl.. along with 45 missing persons….

  138. None

    I know I’m late to all this but I was travelling and I just can’t believe what sort of rubbish was used to justify jailing Pell. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.news.com.au/national/victoria/george-pell-makes-lastditch-bid-for-freedom-taking-his-case-to-the-high-court/news-story/ef2f6086ba4cdf225ea5c736859bf6ff

    Weinberg was the only appeals judge with criminal experience and had been called back from his retirement to hear that appeal for that reason. The other male judge was associated with Liberty Victoria and you only need to look at that history to see how anti-catholic they have been. As for the woman charged I mean talk about phoning it in. Probably a quota girl. I haven’t read yet whethe Pell’s team has appealed to the High Court but he should and even if he loses the Vatican should just tell the Australian judiciary a f*** off. Time to call out these frauds.

  139. Infidel Tiger

    Once the NBN is connected Australians will be able to live and work anywhere.

    It’s going to be a game changer.

  140. JC

    John C

    We’ve been through this before. It may have been you, I can’t recall exactly. The person made the claim that only 10% of Australia is habitable. 10% of Australia, from memory, includes Italy, France and the UK in terms of land mass. Possibly with Germany thrown in.

    This isn’t a claim for higher immigration. It’s simply an observation this could be a problem.

  141. twostix

    JC. The corruption between pharma companies and high level doctors – their “thought and opinion leaders” is well known.

    Russell Portnoy is ground zero for redefining opioids as not particularly addictive in US medicine.

    Portnenoy and his acolytes wrote articles and gave lectures to physicians about the safety of narcotics they repeatedly cited a study by Porter and Jick in The New England Journal of Medicine that stated that only 1% of patients treated with narcotics became addicted. Time magazine described the Porter and Jick article a “landmark” study.34

    Recently and belatedly, Portenoy has backtracked and admitted he was wrong about the addictive properties of opioids. He stated: “I gave innumerable lectures in the late 1980s and ‘90s about addiction that weren’t true.”5 Incredibly the much discredited Portenoy remains the chairman of the pain clinic and palliative care clinic at Beth Israel Medical Center.

    He was completely bankrolled by these companies.

    Portenoy has admitted to having financial relationships with more than a dozen companies most of which produce opioid pain killers. Portenoy defends himself with the statement: “My viewpoint is that I can have these relationships [and] they would benefit my research mission and to some extent they can benefit my own pocketbook, without producing in me any tendency to engage in undue influence or misinformation.

    Absolute corruption of the medical establishment.

    These people and their puppet-master companies must pay.

  142. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Legalise weed.

  143. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    PoliticoNT, all lives have stories. Sorry you can’t get that important conversation going, but sometimes moving beyond that is the best thing to do. There are marriages based on friendship alone, sometimes even with things unspoken and no dredging up the past; how you cope with that is your business. Some (most?) would discreetly turn to others for various comforts. The novel ‘A Gentleman in Moscow’ carries the story of two people in love who must by circumstance savor their limited opportunities for congress, but whose love lasts for their lifetime. PoliticoNT, whatever you do, the sake of the children though keep the marital friendship going, even should you eventually separate.

    One of Lefty’s later women left him for another woman. Never good for a man’s ego even though he pretended it didn’t matter. Dirty rotten love, as the graffiti on the wall of Newtown’s churchyard used once to say. He’s been married twice since then and seems happy now in his third go at it.

    It’s a difficult thing, is love. Hairy’s first wife, a rather dramatic lady, left him for another man, a theatrical chap, with poor Hairy no poet yearning for a garret, earning his crust having learned to code and risen in the ranks. When we met our stars aligned. We have been lucky, as we constantly tell each other. In some ways though, you make your own luck. Secret of happiness.

  144. notafan

    Something must have stopped us from developing multiple big inland regional cities like the US has ( they aren’t there because the government threw a lot of money at this or that place either)

    Americans iirc are very mobile when it comes to job opportunities.

    People do have to have jobs to go to too, don’t they?

  145. twostix

    There is nothing wrong at all in not getting married and never having kids.

    You’ll fit right into the LDP dot!

    If you feel you’ll need to rely on a contract to keep a girl with you for a long time, you’re probably not thinking about it the right way.

  146. JC

    “My viewpoint is that I can have these relationships [and] they would benefit my research mission and to some extent they can benefit my own pocketbook, without producing in me any tendency to engage in undue influence or misinformation.

    Oh okay, so you believe a someone cannot have a clear view who is also aligned with whom this person obtains his compensation or in this case partially so. Stix, welcome to the world of the Green left, where anyone who has ever received a payment from a fossil fuel company is therefore tainted and never allowed to speak.

    Sorry, but I don’t buy this.

  147. notafan

    None Cardinal Pell’s team have announced they will be appealing to the high Court, if they are granted leave, of course.

  148. JC

    Stix

    What other choices are there in the pain killing category that work as well and are as cheap as opioids? Real question, as I have no idea.

  149. Zatara

    The Fed shows their true colours:

    “I understand and support Fed officials’ desire to remain apolitical,” Dudley writes. “But Trump’s ongoing attacks on Powell and on the institution have made that untenable. Central bank officials face a choice: enable the Trump administration to continue down a disastrous path of trade war escalation, or send a clear signal that if the administration does so, the president, not the Fed, will bear the risks — including the risk of losing the next election.

    Apolitical my arse. Audit the Fed, then disband them.

  150. notafan

    You are right dot.

    Just as long as you aren’t a Catholic priest of course.

  151. JC

    I really don’t know what’s changed in the US. In the mid 90’s I went to hospital ER and was admitted with excruciating fucking pain. They stuck me on opioids and had surgery the following couple of days.. after they found the problem. I asked for pain relief after the op and was refused any of the junk I was on because of its additive nature. How did this protocol change from then to now? I really don’t understand as they seemed really careful dispensing this junk.

  152. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    If you feel you’ll need to rely on a contract to keep a girl with you for a long time, you’re probably not thinking about it the right way.

    This underlies your bellicose, goalpost-shifting degeneracy masquerading as “traditionalism”.

    The above worked fine for prior generations. They worked out their differences because they couldn’t just get divorced on a whim. They could not afford emotional incontinence. Society and the courts did not entertain such nonsense.

  153. Mitch M.

    So doctors never ever knew opioids are addictive, right? We’ve known only this for the past 150 year or so stix. If the Doc didn’t know this take it up with the fucking medical board.

    JC the doctors were told that the particular type of opioid was non-addictive because it was slow release. That’s where Pharma is going to be nailed. However I find it hard to believe that doctors are so naive as to think that can be true. Surely they should have followed up on the relevant research. They probably did and that research into that particular compound was sponsored by and conducted by Big Pharma.

    I still don’t excuse the doctors but the company has a huge problem because it committed fraud.

    There are no real alternatives to opioids for pain. Cannabinoids are useful for some types of pain but they aren’t going to be as good as opioids. The other problem is people in general these days appear to be less pain tolerant.

  154. Knuckle Dragger

    Righto. I’m off to the farter.

    To dream, perchance, of Big Pharma outwitting thousands of doctors who’ve studied for years by mentioning that prescribing every Tom, Gene and Doris high-end morphine for decades won’t make them addicted to it.

    And every single one of them falling for it.

    Apparently.

  155. JC

    JC the doctors were told that the particular type of opioid was non-addictive because it was slow release

    And was it?

  156. JC

    There are no real alternatives to opioids for pain.

    Okay, so that’s the sticky part, right? That’s the part that says it all to some extent. There are trade offs. Here’s the problem though. Pain can be immeasurably terrible for people.

  157. twostix

    How did this protocol change from then to now? I really don’t understand as they seemed really careful dispensing this junk.

    Read that link JC, it describes how how high level thought leaders (wined dined and paid by pahrma) did the rounds in the 90’s on the medical journals pushing the case that opioid addiction risk was overblown and, in parallel, that it was a legal risk to hospitals and doctors to *not* give maximal pain relief to patients.

    And coincidentally at the same time brand new low addiction opiods suddenly appeared on the market and were aggressively pushed.

  158. twostix

    To dream, perchance, of Big Pharma outwitting thousands of doctors who’ve studied for years by mentioning that prescribing every Tom, Gene and Doris high-end morphine for decades won’t make them addicted to it.

    And every single one of them falling for it.

    Look at this heavy hitter!

  159. Infidel Tiger

    There is a very interesting book out by Nick Potter called the Meaning Of Pain.

    I want to read it.

    Controversial because of his methods and antagonism towards the medical profession.

  160. JC

    Mitch M

    There was a very big difference between in terms of how medicine is practiced here and in the US from experience. The best way I can describe my experience is that US doctors appear to be more “entrepreneurial” in their approach to solving a medical issue than Australian docs. Australian docs appear to follow more of a stricter protocol than they do or did there. I’m not arguing which system is better, but I can see docs there taking an individual approach to solving say a chronic pain issue and therefore prescribing serious pain med.

  161. JC

    Stix

    Medical research is wrong perhaps 80% of the time. Human beings fuck up and that’s all there is.

  162. JC

    Here’s the other thing, Stix.

    I’d take an all in bet that the people who have died taking opioids did so because they DID NOT follow the course regimen determined by their docs and what’s detailed on the bottle. Am I right?

  163. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    JC
    #3143054, posted on August 29, 2019 at 12:17 am

    Mitch M

    There was a very big difference between in terms of how medicine is practiced here and in the US from experience. The best way I can describe my experience is that US doctors appear to be more “entrepreneurial” in their approach to solving a medical issue than Australian docs. Australian docs appear to follow more of a stricter protocol than they do or did there. I’m not arguing which system is better, but I can see docs there taking an individual approach to solving say a chronic pain issue and therefore prescribing serious pain med.

    I think Jason Fung (or it could be in Freakonomics) briefly mentions that specialists kill their patients more often because they try more hail mary interventions. When they’re on holidays, the hospital registrars tend to kill less of the specialists’ patients in the ER.

  164. JC

    Tickler, your link doesn’t work.

  165. johanna

    Mitch, I have chronic arthritis, very painful, is never going to get better, only worse. I take tramadol, a slow release synthetic opiod, in fairly low doses, every day. Am I addicted? I don’t know, and it doesn’t matter, for practical purposes, because my choices are to take them (or something similar) or live in permanent, severe pain.

    The arguments about opiods are messed up with this confusion between possible addiction and abuse leading to death. They are quite separate issues. The people who abuse pills illegally and end up overdosing are not people like me and the vast majority of prescription drug users. The abusers are typically poly drug abusers who consume vast quantities above the prescribed dose, and them mix it all with lots of alcohol. Not surprisingly, quite a few of them end up dead.

    People taking prescribed doses correctly don’t die from opioids. They may become addicted, but if they, like me, have to take them anyway, so what? I don’t get a buzz from my pills, they just enable me to do things like use my right hand and walk. The dose hasn’t changed in years.

    Others here have commented in the past how difficult it is to get decent pain relief for genuine conditions because of all the hysteria, but the health department has been writing threatening letters to GPs warning them of dire consequences for over-prescribing. Yet, the people cited in the statistics were not just taking opoids as prescribed – they were buying them on the black market or perhaps through a few corrupt medical sources and taking them by the handful. For that, everyone has to suffer.

    The use of the word ‘addiction’ has completely undermined rationality. If a person has to take a medication every day, what does it matter whether it is tramadol or insulin?

  166. JC

    Tickler

    Do you know that’s being done in Kings Cross station/Euro Star train station complex? I think I recall the piano… not the dude.. just the piano.

  167. twostix

    When they talk about aggressive marketing, they don’t mean ads on TV and a few pamphlets in the doctors surgery. They mean targeting and corrupting key opinion leaders (high level doctors and researchers) and key opinion influencers (rising stars, low tier assistants of kols, and bureaucrats) in the field who go on to publish corrupted research and influence opinion in medical journals, conferences, large hospital and insurance company policy etc.

    The average GP just goes along with the prevailing wind coming from his professional institutions.

  168. JC

    Stix

    How exactly do you know the studies are corrupted?

  169. Steve trickler

    JC, go tap the Piano the next time you see it. You’ve mentioned it before on your travels. (:

  170. JC

    JC, go tap the Piano the next time you see it. You’ve mentioned it before on your travels. (:

    I did tap it once. We were waiting for our kid to arrive on the Eurostar from Paris and I moseyed over and tapped a few keys. May not the the same one though, but it was close to the Eurostar arrival area. 🙂

  171. Mitch M.

    Stix

    Medical research is wrong perhaps 80% of the time. Human beings fuck up and that’s all there is.

    So you know about the famous Ioannidis paper! That was 2005, nothing has been done.

  172. JC

    Mitch..

    Yea, I read similar pieces over time, which have been referencing that paper in your link.

  173. Mitch M.

    Am I addicted? I don’t know, and it doesn’t matter, for practical purposes, because my choices are to take them (or something similar) or live in permanent, severe pain.

    I doubt it. Addiction typically involves increasing the dosage and developing a craving without pain. This is very difficult but where possible short breaks, even a day or two, might help reduce the potential for addiction.

    Addiction isn’t just about the drug. It’s a long story I’m not going there. I don’t think you have anything to worry about.

  174. twostix

    Tramadol.

    We’re talking about rolled gold pure oxycodone, codeine and morphine being dispensed by US GP’s in bucket sized portions and someone is talking about their highly regulated, low-risk arthritis medication.

    Dear me.

  175. Arky

    The pool of marriageable women is incredibly small.

    There is nothing wrong at all in not getting married and never having kids.

    ..
    There are 2.374 billion females on the globe who aren’t children or elderly.
    Pick one.

  176. Mitch M.

    Johanna,

    There are insufficient clinical trial but the evidence to date suggests this might be beneficial. If you are on any cardiac medication, especially blood thinners, should consult the doctor first. Vitamin K series, especially K2(Menaquinones ,MK 7 optimal) play an important role in getting calcium to the bones and teeth. Supplements are available and cheap. It also appears to have value in preventing cardiovascular disease because a trigger for that is calcium deposition in the arteries. So as my former collaborator would say: Soft bones and hard arteries: Vitamin K insufficiency. I don’t think it will cure your condition but it may help slow the progression.

    J Nutr Metab. 2017;2017:6254836. doi: 10.1155/2017/6254836. Epub 2017 Jun 18.
    Vitamins K1 and K2: The Emerging Group of Vitamins Required for Human Health.
    Schwalfenberg GK1.
    Author information
    Abstract
    OBJECTIVE:
    To review the evidence for the use of vitamin K supplementation in clinical conditions such as osteoporosis, vascular calcification, arthritis, cancer, renal calculi, diabetes, and warfarin therapy.

    QUALITY OF EVIDENCE:
    PubMed was searched for articles on vitamin K (K1 and K2) along with books and conference proceedings and health conditions listed above. Level I and II evidence supports the use of vitamins K1 and K2 in osteoporosis and Level II evidence supports vitamin K2 in prevention of coronary calcification and cardiovascular disease. Evidence is insufficient for use in diabetes, arthritis, renal calculi, and cancer.

    MAIN MESSAGE:
    Vitamin K2 may be a useful adjunct for the treatment of osteoporosis, along with vitamin D and calcium, rivaling bisphosphonate therapy without toxicity. It may also significantly reduce morbidity and mortality in cardiovascular health by reducing vascular calcification. Vitamin K2 appears promising in the areas of diabetes, cancer, and osteoarthritis. Vitamin K use in warfarin therapy is safe and may improve INR control, although a dosage adjustment is required.

    CONCLUSION:
    Vitamin K supplementation may be useful for a number of chronic conditions that are afflicting North Americans as the population ages. Supplementation may be required for bone and cardiovascular health.

    PMID: 28698808 PMCID: PMC5494092 DOI: 10.1155/2017/6254836
    Free PMC Article

    Another supplement to think about is hemp. Someone here, I think it was Feelthebern, stated a big reduction in pain medication from using Hemp. Hemp contains negligible THC and CBD so I was confused by the pain reduction claim until recently I found research indicating that hemp contains cannflavins A and B which are potent inhibitors of two inflammatory mediators. There is no research because cannflavins have only recently received attention.

  177. C.L.

    The revolting Savva handily sums up the fate of all committed conservatives …

    A rare man and leader
    So many of us poked fun at Tim Fischer, until we loved him.

    NIKI SAVVA
    Opinion Columnist

    They hated Fischer until he got the McCains later in life. Only then was he “loved” by journalists.

  178. Arky

    There are 2.374 billion females on the globe who aren’t children or elderly.

    ..
    You can probably cut that back by a few hundred million if you don’t want a porker or one I have already shagged.

  179. Mark A

    Arky
    #3143078, posted on August 29, 2019 at 1:12 am

    There are 2.374 billion females on the globe who aren’t children or elderly.

    ..
    You can probably cut that back by a few hundred million if you don’t want a porker or one I have already shagged.

    prove it, you skite!

  180. Arky

    Should have read:
    ..

    and one I have already shagged.

  181. Arky

    For the record: I have not shagged hundreds of millions of porkers.

  182. Arky

    There is no way to construct that sentence that doesn’t look like I root fatties.
    I give up.
    You’ve got me. Take me in.

  183. Zyconoclast

    Yamaha Sony SC-1 autonomous vehicle has no windows

    The SC-1 Sociable Cart has been unveiled with self-driving vehicle smarts from Yamaha and imaging technology from Sony.
    There’s seating for up to five people within the SC-1 Sociable Cart, which is 3135mm long, 1306mm wide and 1830mm tall. Powered by a DC motor, the SC-1 has a top speed of 19km/h.
    The vehicle features exterior cameras, LiDAR, and ultrasonic sensors, as well as double wishbone suspension up front, four-wheel disc brakes, and a lithium-polymer battery pack.

  184. johanna

    Thanks, Mitch. I don’t seem to have developed a tolerance, so I’m not worried, but the doctor gave me the third degree (again) last time I went for a refill, I think the letters from the health department have got them scared.

    We’re talking about rolled gold pure oxycodone, codeine and morphine being dispensed by US GP’s in bucket sized portions and someone is talking about their highly regulated, low-risk arthritis medication.

    Dear me.

    Well, I know that tramadol are eminently saleable on the street, apparently they just take more of them to get the effect of oxy and the like. And some people do get addicted, with nasty withdrawal symptoms if they suddenly stop taking them (I’ve just been reading some medical publications from reputable sources about side effects and so on.) Certainly, the doctors I’ve encountered don’t hand them out lightly, even to a little old lady with visible arthritis.

    I suspect that the US damages award has more to do with American litigation culture and practice than with actual culpability. It’s absurd to suggest that nobody knew that opioids could be addictive, least of all doctors.

  185. Mark A

    Scrolling back I noticed the attack on KD. He’s got quite a pasting.
    He doesn’t need me defending him, he is quite capable of that himself.

    But I must say that he is definitely not a sock of anyone.
    I know of a couple here who are quite recognizable to the astute observer but why out them? If it makes them feel good, I’m charitable.

    I find KD witty and entertaining and as to his anecdotes?
    I had a wayward uncle on my mother’s side, he is now departed, who was in the same hotdog business as KD,
    It was long before KD opened his stand but his anecdotes sounded just the same as KD’s. regarding the business.
    Slight variations of course given the different times and hierarchy but the nature of the business never changes.

    He never got to have his own office like KD though, being far more irreverent I suppose.

  186. Mitch M.

    It’s absurd to suggest that nobody knew that opioids could be addictive, least of all doctors.

    Which is why I won’t let doctors off the hook. The problem should have been seen long ago, that’s where case reports are invaluable for identifying potential trouble and justifying follow up studies.

    But it goes like this … The medical authorities desperately want to nail Pharma to take attention away from their own negligence. There are studies which demonstrate a clear correlation between Big Pharma “conferences” at top tier facilities, even tickets to major sporting events, and the drug prescribing of the doctors so entertained. That needs to stop and it is height of arrogance for doctors to think that such junkets do not influence their behavior. How could they be so stupid when the very point of those junkets is to encourage doctors to use the drugs of the company?

  187. JC

    How could they be so stupid when the very point of those junkets is to encourage doctors to use the drugs of the company?

    Pharma are not promoting their products to entice docs into abusing the sale of their drugs. They are promoting them so docs think of their drugs first. Secondly, I’m not convinced taking a well paid doc to the ball game would cause them to abuse their professional standards.

  188. johanna

    Mitch – wouldn’t that only apply to drugs where they have a choice of brands, or other substitutes available? If there is only one product that does the job, brand advertising isn’t going to make a lot of difference, surely.

    So then the question is – could they have prescribed something else that was less dangerous? In the case of strong painkillers, it seems unlikely – they all have similar risk profiles.

    So, if it was just over-prescribing, I don’t see how the drug companies can be blamed. But, they are easier to sue than thousands of individual practitioners, I guess.

  189. Mitch M.

    JC,

    There is plenty of data finding an association. 3 separate analyses below, one a meta-anlaysis

    Twelve pharmaceutical companies made sales visits. Eleven out of 12 companies’ visits were statistically associated with an increase in new medication starts (p < 0.05). As the number of sales visits increased, a greater statistical significance was noted. This study is one of the first to quantify pharmaceutical industry’s impact on psychiatric residents’ prescribing practices. It appears that psychiatric residents preferentially start companies’ medications shortly after sales visits. Furthermore, as sales visits increase in frequency, more of their medications may be started in newly admitted psychiatric outpatients.

    PMID: 11791954

    CONCLUSION:
    Physician-pharmaceutical industry and its sales representative’s interactions and acceptance of gifts from the company’s PSRs have been found to affect physicians’ prescribing behaviour and are likely to contribute to irrational prescribing of the company’s drug. Therefore, intervention in the form of policy implementation and education about the implications of these interactions is needed.

    CONCLUSIONS:
    With rare exceptions, studies of exposure to information provided directly by pharmaceutical companies have found associations with higher prescribing frequency, higher costs, or lower prescribing quality or have not found significant associations. We did not find evidence of net improvements in prescribing, but the available literature does not exclude the possibility that prescribing may sometimes be improved. Still, we recommend that practitioners follow the precautionary principle and thus avoid exposure to information from pharmaceutical companies. Please see later in the article for the Editors’ Summary.

    Comment in
    Doctors and drug companies: still cozy after all these years. [PLoS Med. 2010]
    PMID: 20976098 PMCID: PMC2957394 DOI: 10.1371/journal.pmed.1000352
    [Indexed for MEDLINE] Free PMC Article

  190. Mark A

    Mitch M.
    #3143087, posted on August 29, 2019 at 2:13 am

    At my previous job we were offered free travel and accommodation to many trade shows, some we took on with the proviso of no commitment.
    Some were simply rejected as we knew that there was no way we do business with them.

    Comes down to the product and will it do the job.
    I would say, it’s as valid in engineering as it is in medicine, if a doc is overly influenced by free travel and meal + a show he/she is not worth the title.
    And I’m sure there are very few of those.
    The brand name can be an influence I admit but if it does the same job as the opposition’s then I can’t see the harm.
    Comes down to oversubscribing, a different matter.

  191. Mark A

    Comes down to oversubscribing
    Over prescribing

    No auto correct here so mea culpa.

  192. None

    So Arky porks fatties, huh? Fetishist. Who knew.

  193. None

    Do Porter has dropped a religious discrimination Bill into the mix without any warning. This f****** government is pissing me write-off. They are worse than the Gillard-Greens. Totally untrustworthy.

  194. None

    Thanks Nota. I am pleased that Pell is appealing and I now have f****** 000 faith in our press, our judicial system, and our sucking cowardly politicians. They are all treacherous lying bastards.

  195. None

    Geez Knuckles I thought you knew me well enough by now to know I always post under my own name and I don’t use sock puppets. Plus I also thought you knew me better than to ascribe some of those views to me. *sigh* No wonder you all spend so much time discussing your medications.

  196. Mark A

    Too early for Tom and my wife is engrossed in an incomprehensible soapy, to me that is, Dr BG come on down!

    Give you five minutes, after that I go to the garage to murder some wood trying to turn it into something useful.
    I missed my workshop back home for too long, now I’m getting the tools and equipment I used to have but in an improved version.

  197. Tom

    David Rowe’s new formula is six days a week of TDS and one day a week of hating on ScoMo’s Tories. Mr Rabbit has become last year’s obsession.

  198. Herodotus

    When even the BBC news guy says to UK parliamentarians “you’ve had three years already” you know the course Boris is taking had to be done.

  199. Herodotus

    Ramirez et al should know that the fuss is all about Brazil having a conservative leader, not because of the annual fires.

  200. Knuckle Dragger

    Mark A;

    *blushes*

    It wasn’t really an attack, or attack/s if you count the last few days. Kinda like using the term ‘merciless rampage’ against facial hair by having a shave. If it wasn’t me they were flailing their handbags at, it’d be someone else.

    Couple of gamer nerd stoners emerging into the late night darkness, killing time while their super Pokémon-shaped custom made gaming chairs with bonus massage functionality have their batteries charged, I reckon.

    Props to your late uncle btw. Hard men.

  201. Knuckle Dragger

    Oh, and apologies None.

    An attempt was made (by me) to link the outrageous claim that I was someone else, that the outrageous poster was someone else himself. Of all the punters in all the blogs in all the world, you ain’t no sock darlin’.

    You’re still an excitable tough old bird, but you stick to your guns, you never shift the goalposts and the paths you take to makes your point/s – unlike some – don’t look like the Slinky Olympics.

    Mateymateymaaaaaate.

    NB: Waxed pudenda is still cool. Come at me brah.

  202. rickw

    An oldie but still spot on:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CC6aEx6xYFY

    Treated with more or less respect by politicians since 1996?

  203. calli

    The Nero theme is a bit tired.

    Like the hysteria.

    All our O2 will disappear!

  204. bespoke

    There are gamers and thee are gamers nerds KD. My youngest sons close friends vary from laborers to bankers. None use drugs. And couldn’t offord the systems they have if they did.

  205. Leigh Lowe

    Herodotus

    #3143117, posted on August 29, 2019 at 6:18 am

    Ramirez et al should know that the fuss is all about Brazil having a conservative leader, not because of the annual fires.

    Yes, we all know where the “offer of international help” was going.
    Hundreds of eco-warriors reporting back about how shocked they are at the “scale of the destruction”.
    Attenborough feigning shortness of breath due oxygen deprivation and Leonardo di Caprio trying to extinguish the flames with salty tears.

  206. Knuckle Dragger

    I don’t mean to criticise people for their aesthetic qualities, but that Murnane(?) woman on the teev that was sacked over the Aldi bag full of cabbage has some work to do.

    Actually, yes I do. That is one oggily cheek.

    Still, we don’t know the whole story. Maybe the hundred grand was to fix her world-champion overbite.

  207. calli

    Forget the body armour.

    I believe they make excellent field dressings. I’ll pop a pack in beside the amputation saw and long nose pliers.

  208. Leigh Lowe

    I don’t mean to criticise people for their aesthetic qualities, but that Murnane(?) woman on the teev that was sacked over the Aldi bag full of cabbage has some work to do.

    Was this before or after the Liars head honchos got all shocked and surprised at the bag full of Chinese greens and shoved her under the bus?

  209. hzhousewife

    Once the NBN is connected Australians will be able to live and work anywhere.

    It’s going to be a game changer.

    Yep, some days the signal strength is so low my phone tells me it can’t send a three word text message. And yesterday a co-worker sent me a text to say she was running late and I got the text four hours after she got to work. First world stuff !!

  210. Entropy

    The miracle NBN will fix your mobile woes.

  211. Knuckle Dragger

    bespoke,

    That’s why I said gamer nerd stoners. Clearly, your young bloke’s mates have other things to occupy their time with as well. Unlike Dumb and Dumber, who appear to use the Cat to come down from being Lord Wulfstan of the Etherworld with six dragon lives and additional elf power.

  212. Entropy

    The miracle NBN will popularise kitchen table surgery in outback locations. Julia told me so.

  213. calli

    Lol. In the UK all standing on chairs with their skirts grasped around their knees and squealing.

    Stop the coup! Boris is seizing power! Her Maj has been bullied into proroguing parliament! Debate squashed!

    Seriously, these people are demented.

  214. Knuckle Dragger

    The Labor Pardee.

    Core Values, as per their annual report:

    ‘For the first 20 years, you’re expendable. Make it past that with your mouth shut, and you’re bulletproof.’

    Poor old whatsername. Just one year left. The price of doing business, I guess.

  215. Entropy

    The miracle NBN will turn every home office into JP Morgan.

  216. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Phew. Saw the amount against our winter electricity bill yesterday and winter is not yet over. We’re still running heaters everywhere as Hairy refuses to be cold if he agrees not to travel away from Sydney’s terrible (/sarc off) winter. I don’t usually bother looking at bills; most are online anyway and Hairy deals with them. It is almost double what it was last year as well as hitting the stratosphere in costliness compared to a few years ago. Is that all due to Gerbil Warmening, I ask Hairy, or have we been switching on extra much this year? We make no efforts to curtail our usage, but I don’t think the magnetic stove top, which seems to pull enormous amounts of power, was installed before this bill was generated. And come to think of it, we were away for most of June.

    The winter bill is our contribution to the global hoax scammers, he says sarcastically.

    Pity the poorer people. I’ve seen that the relatively small power bills that we pay for some of my extended family are also now getting bigger even though I know they have been cutting back on usage to keep costs down. Don’t do that, I tell them, but they still do. In the know to the poorer zeitgeist, they tell me that more people than ever are applying to charities for help with their power bills and that two of the big charities refuse now to take further people for interview as they are so overloaded.

  217. Knuckle Dragger

    Murnain, her name is.

    Apparently her first call asking for advice, on ‘being aware’ that there was an Aldi bag full of cash in the office having been delivered on behalf of a billionaire Chinese businessman, was to:

    Sam Dastyari.

  218. Leigh Lowe

    Infidel Tiger

    #3143033, posted on August 28, 2019 at 11:48 pm

    Once the NBN is connected Australians will be able to live and work anywhere.

    True.
    As long as your job doesn’t involve computers.

  219. notafan

    I think British MPs have had years to take part in the benefit process.

    The people have been very patient.

    The totalitarians continue to squeal.

    Entertainment., Of a sort.

  220. notafan

    Brexit but benefit works for me too.

  221. Knuckle Dragger

    It’s almost as if the Poms – the ruling classes, at least – actually want to be stood over by a bunch of unelected Eurotrash mouthing off from a place that only became its own country in 1830.

  222. notafan

    srr would have spit and snarled at me linking this but is I think good to see how The other half Live

    The guardian have a Live blog on Boris’s bold move

  223. DrBeauGan

    Thanks Tom.

    I’m late again from drinking too much.

    Maria and I had our dominance fights early on. I won. She’s too smart to try again.

    She said she’d come this afternoon and it’s 17:36, so she won’t come now. It’s something I predicted, I find predicting her works better than trusting her.

    She’s not alone in her attitude to time. All Cubans I’ve known well enough to form a judgment share it. It’s a culture of mental sloppiness.

  224. Leigh Lowe

    Apparently her first call asking for advice, on ‘being aware’ that there was an Aldi bag full of cash in the office having been delivered on behalf of a billionaire Chinese businessman, was to:

    Sam Dastyari.

    And these xunts have the temerity to tell me I shouldn’t be allowed to pay my plumber $2,000 in cash.

  225. Leigh Lowe

    Knuckle Dragger

    #3143146, posted on August 29, 2019 at 7:40 am

    It’s almost as if the Poms – the ruling classes, at least – actually want to be stood over by a bunch of unelected Eurotrash mouthing off from a place that only became its own country in 1830

    They fell in love with the idea of “being European”.
    Faced with the prospect of no longer being able to imagine themselves as being one with the French or Italians, the inner German reveals himself.

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