Open Forum: August 31, 2019

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  1. classical_hero

    We are here but by the grace of God.

  2. Des Deskperson

    ‘Page after page after page of this poop.’

    I haven’t read the book, but went to a lecture by Pascoe at the National Library last year. The main, if implicit, purpose of the lecture was to flog Dark Emu.

    There was something very odd about his premise: on the one hand, the early explorers were racist, genocidal bastards like all white settlers but on the other hand they were gobsmacked by the Indigenous civilisations they recorded in their journals, none of which, BTW, he quoted from directly. One would have thought that the racist bastards would have ignored or played down these wonders.

    He was also a warmest fanatic; global warming could have been halted if only we’d heeded the superior wisdom of… but you get what I mean.

    The usual audience of elderly, soft-handed Canberra ‘progressives’ lapped it up.

  3. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Eamon de Valera, early leader of the independent Ireland, he was a Spanish-American.

    His American origins were supposed to have been what saved him from the firing squad after the 1916 Rebellion.

  4. stackja

    Samantha Knight killer Michael Guider to be released from jail

    The ‘paper file’ who killed Sydney schoolgirl Samantha Knight more than 30 years ago is to be released from jail within days after a judge rejected an application to keep him behind bars for another year.
    Danielle Gusmaroli and staff writers, The Daily Telegraph
    Subscriber only

    6 minutes ago

    Convicted killer and ‘paper file’ Michael Guider is set to walk free from Long Bay prison in NSW following an extraordinary battle by the Attorney-General to keep him in jail.

    To a deflated audience in the public gallery of Darlinghurst Supreme Court, Judge Richard Button on Tuesday ruled the serial offender, convicted of killing Sydney schoolgirl Samantha Knight 33 years ago, will be subjected to a strict five-year supervision order starting on September 5.

    “I have imposed a five-year supervision order of great stringency,” Justine Button told the court as Samantha’s mother Tess shook her head.

    He will be subjected to 56 conditions in the strict extended supervision order, including wearing an electronic monitoring bracelet, providing a weekly schedule of weekly movements three days in advance, and he cannot go to places providing special entertainment.

    A summary of Justice Button’s judgment read “while it could not be said definitely that the defendants sexual interest in children had disappeared, his Honour considered that the defendant’s had done all that can be done in terms of rehabilitation in a prison setting.”

  5. calli

    One example of Pascoe’s scholarship: He writes that Indigenes “terraced” the Maribyrnong river valley.

    Digging Stick Dreaming

  6. old bloke

    calli
    #3146512, posted on September 3, 2019 at 6:46 am

    Anne is Number 8, JC.

    The law changed to allow the girls in in birth order, not as a last resort.

    Nope, Randy Andy is eighth in line, Anne is 14th.

    Line of succession to the British throne

  7. egg_

    Cardimona
    #3146662, posted on September 3, 2019 at 10:20 am

    https://www.aplng.com.au/topics/coal-seam-gas.html

    c/- Tel

  8. Bruce of Newcastle

    Would it be a reasonable analogy to describe fracking fluid as working similarly to WD40?
    Or the mining equivalent of WD40?

    Cardimona – No!

    Fracking fluid is better likened to soapy water with sand in it. It is probably less harmful than soapy water from your washing machine since the EPA is very tough on effluent treatment requirements.

    WD40 is a hydrocarbon solvent. Do not liken it to WD40 as you will get reamed by the antihydrocarbon mafia.

  9. calli

    In June, The Weekend Australian reported a push by Labor frontbenchers, including Keneally, Tony Burke, Chris Bowen and Michelle Rowland, to back stronger protections for religious groups.

    Hmmmmm. The Divisions of Greenway, McMahon and Watson. I wonder which “religious groups” they want to put under their little, downy legislative wings?

    It’s a Mystery.

  10. Knuckle Dragger

    The numerous 1848 European revolutions were notable for the rent-a-crowd that streamed from one country to another fomenting discord, only to disappear to their next target leaving the poor sods left behind to go up against the wall.

    Sounds sorta familiar.

  11. egg_

    THE RNA WORLD HYPOTHESIS

    The discovery of ribozymes supported a hypothesis, known as the RNA World Hypothesis, that earlier forms of life may have relied solely on RNA to store genetic information and to catalyze chemical reactions. This hypothesis was proposed independently by Carl Woese, Francis Crick and Leslie Orgel in the 1960s — decades before the discovery of ribozymes — and soon after the double-helical structure of DNA was determined. According to the RNA World Hypothesis, life later evolved to use DNA and proteins due to RNA’s relative instability and poorer catalytic properties, and gradually, ribozymes became increasingly phased out.

  12. Zyconoclast

    Burning down the house to save the world!

    LA Times: Tesla Residential Solar Panels Bursting into Flames

    Walmart sues Tesla over solar panel fires at seven stores

    https://www.cnbc.com/2019/08/20/walmart-sues-tesla-over-solar-panel-fires-at-seven-stores.html

  13. Cassie of Sydney

    “stackja
    #3146671, posted on September 3, 2019 at 10:31 am
    Samantha Knight killer Michael Guider to be released from jail”

    Absolute fucking disgrace.

  14. calli

    I stand corrected, old bloke.

    Lucky Anne.

  15. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Digging Stick Dreaming

    Pulling the legs of gullible “whitefellas” is considered fine sport by certain of the indigenous population, and Bruce Pascoe, by his own admission, likes a “good yarn.”

  16. stackja

    Regarding AJ and the Tamil illegals, hubris comes to mind. AJ survived the ‘sock’ will he survive the ‘boat’?

  17. Roger

    I remember when land rights was the panacea for what ailed aboriginal folk.

    Now they* must have funding to “close the gap”, constitutional recognition, reparations, a special voice to parliament and the re-writing of history.

    And when all that doesn’t alleviate their collective lot, as evidenced by the atrocious condition of folk who choose to live in squalor, it will still be the racist white man’s grievous fault.

    * Or the professional activists among them, at least

  18. Cardimona

    Egg and Bruce

    Thank you, kind sirs, soapy water is better as I can weave happy kids on a slip’n’slide into the narrative.

    Anyone got any thoughts on an agitprop fakumentary titled “The Bentley Effect”?

  19. calli

    Looking at that Line of Succession, the Duke of Kent didn’t do too badly in providing possible heirs.

    Remarkable, all things considered. 😁

  20. areff

    He was also a warmest fanatic; global warming could have been halted if only we’d heeded the superior wisdom of… but you get what I mean.

    And like a good many other apocalyptics fretting about unstoppable sea-level rises, he lives by the water’s edge — Gipsy Point near Mallacoota.

  21. Mark A:

    Future?
    You mean the present of course.
    I don’t wish to view the video but should I want to I can’t see any harm , or not more than watching a violent Hollywood flick.

    It’s about power. Some nameless wanker bureaucrat has decided you shouldn’t be allowed to watch or have the video. So they call in all the bureamates, and voila! if you disobey him, it’s the slammer for you.
    For your own good of course.

  22. calli

    AJ is an Equal Opportunity Annoyer.

    Long may he continue to be Really Irritating. That’s what freedom looks like.

  23. notafan

    At the risk of horrifying the pearl-clutchers, I will make the outlandish statement that small children are much like dogs and cricketers.

    They are pack animals

    I disagree

    for thousands of years families did not corral their one, two, three, four, five year olds with a couple of dozen children of the same age, they consorted with younger and older siblings and were not in a constant state of competition with children their own age.

    Even for older children school was the exception not the rule and if they did go to school discipline was fierce

    Under 5 soccer is ridiculous, children that age are far too young for team sports

    he should have been out helping dad with garden work on Saturday mornings

    Nothing a four year old boy would love more

  24. Mother Lode

    Mother Lode
    Your comment is awaiting moderation.
    #3146661, posted on September 3, 2019 at 10:19 am

    Another comment in moderation.

    I mentioned the floor-butting followers of the prophet but in a non-derogating way. Instead as a religion.

    This is truly getting ridiculous.

  25. Zyconoclast

    Aboriginal Australians likely had no written language for 40,000 years, as they devolved due to isolation.

    At the society level, not as a species.

    An average ‘societal’ IQ in the 60-70 range will do that.

  26. notafan

    De Valera had an Irish mother and lived in Ireland from the age of two.

    That is hardly a ‘foreign adventurerer’

    Éamon de Valera was born on 14 October 1882 in New York City, the son of Catherine Coll, who was originally from Bruree, County Limerick,

    According to Coll, Juan Vivion died in 1885 leaving Coll and her child in poor circumstances.[11] Éamon was taken to Ireland by his uncle Ned at the age of two. Even when his mother married a new husband in the mid-1880s, he was not brought back to live with her, but was reared instead by his grandmother, Elizabeth Coll, her son Patrick and her daughter Hannie, in County Limerick. He was educated locally at Bruree National School, County Limerick and C.B.S. Charleville, County Cork. Aged sixteen, he won a scholarship. He was not successful in enrolling at two colleges in Limerick, but was accepted at Blackrock College, Dublin, at the instigation of his local curate.[12]

  27. stackja

    Mother Lode
    #3146694, posted on September 3, 2019 at 10:53 am

    Rules

    Rules
    Robust debate is tolerated here. We will strive to maintain the most laissez faire comments policy on the web but this is subject to the following caveats:
    Comments which may jeopardise the legal interests of the blog or its editor in chief by being defamatory or in breach of other laws will be promptly deleted.

    Blame the lawyers.

  28. Roger

    Keeping a weather eye on the Vatican:

    Pope Francis appoints 13 new cardinals (3 are over 80 and so cannot vote in a conclave), including several key allies, among them the archbishop who leads the Vatican’s dialogue with sunny mohametanism.

    One wonders what there is to “dialogue” about with a religion that rejects every Christian dogma.

  29. rickw:

    As a measure of thanks after the war, the Poms collected all the guns and dropped them into the deepest part of the Channel.
    The Second Amendment helped save Britain after they’d been stupid enough to destroy their own.

    Don’t quote me on this but IIRC, the vast majority of them went to Davey Jones locker – they just sat in armouries for the duration.
    Mind you, I remember a question from Churchill about at least gathering the very large quantities of MG42s that were left lying around Europe after WW2. IIRC, a figure of 50,000 to 100,000 was mooted for a national emergency stockpile.

  30. Bruce of Newcastle

    Instead as a religion.

    Can’t mention the religion or the followers. However misspelling often works. Not mu zzo though, that is banned too. Can’t mention their most hated enemies either or the bling word which includes that term.

    Can’t mention the town in Lincolnshire at 53.5809°N 0.6502°W because of four letters in the name.

    Can’t mention those round things cricketers bowl at each other in plural. One ball is OK though.

  31. Top Ender

    I thought the purpose of jail was ALSO to provide protection for the community?

    Paedophile, child killer Michael Anthony Guider set to walk free

    DEBORAH CORNWALL
    JOURNALIST
    @deborahcornwall

    AN HOUR AGO SEPTEMBER 3, 2019
    NSW’s most notorious serial paedophile and child killer Michael Anthony Guider will walk free on Thursday after an extraordinary legal battle by the state’s Attorney-General to keep him in jail.

    Handing down his judgment today, NSW supreme court judge Richard Button said a strict five-year extended supervision order with 56 conditions would be imposed on Guider on his release — including a mandatory drug regime to reduce his sex drive.

    The move comes after Lisa Giles, who was abused by Guider three decades ago, broke her silence in The Australian about what she had endured.

    Ms Giles painted a remarkable picture of a man she likened to “the psychotic bad guy you see in the movies: deeply single-minded, manipulative, narcissistic, and delusional”.

    “I have imposed a five-year extended supervision order of great stringency,” Justice Button said.

    Justice Button found keeping Guider in jail after his 23-year jail sentence expired in June this year would not “serve any rehabilitative purpose”.

    “The interaction between the defendant (Guider) and the criminal justice system is over,” he said.

    “Indeed, it came to an end some months ago, on 6 June 2019, when his total head sentence expired in its entirety.”

    Shocked victims and family members in the court this morning are still absorbing the news.

    They are expected to respond shortly.

    The strict conditions imposed on Guider include mandatory medication to reduce his sex drive, a prohibition on buying or using any pornographic material or attending places of “sexual entertainment”.

    He is also barred from changing his name or appearance and his weekly schedule must also be provided to his parole officer three days in advance.

    Justice Button’s decision follows a protracted legal challenge by NSW Attorney-General Mark Speakman to keep the notorious paedophile in jail for at least another year

    Guider, 69, killed nine-year-old Samantha Knight after she disappeared from Sydney’s Bondi Beach in August 1986. He pleaded guilty to manslaughter in 2002 and was jailed for 17 years, however he now claims he did not kill Samantha and will deny it “to his dying day”.

    Her body has never been found.

    Guider was also jailed for sex offences against 13 young boys and girls, committed between 1980 and 1996. Guider took photos of his victims and drugged some of the children with sleeping tablets in soft drink before he assaulted them.

    In June Justice Button imposed an interim detention order to keep Guider behind bars before the final hearing on 20 August.

    A number of his victims, including Samantha Knight’s mother Tess and one of his child victims, Lisa Giles, pleaded with Justice Button to never release him in the community.

    Tess Knight, whose daughter was kidnapped and drugged by Guider on August 19, 1986, broke down repeatedly as she described her “terrible ­imaginings” about what he “did to her little body”.

    But Justice Button said three experts in psychology and psychiatry had concluded the risks of Guider re-offending could be “reasonably managed under a stringent and lengthy system of supervision in the community”.

    Complete Oz article – no comments allowed

  32. Top Ender

    I thought the purpose of jail was ALSO to provide protection for the community?

    P aedophile, child killer Michael Anthony Guider set to walk free

    DEBORAH CORNWALL
    JOURNALIST
    @deborahcornwall

    AN HOUR AGO SEPTEMBER 3, 2019
    NSW’s most notorious serial p aedophile and child killer Michael Anthony Guider will walk free on Thursday after an extraordinary legal battle by the state’s Attorney-General to keep him in jail.

    Handing down his judgment today, NSW supreme court judge Richard Button said a strict five-year extended supervision order with 56 conditions would be imposed on Guider on his release — including a mandatory drug regime to reduce his sex drive.

    The move comes after Lisa Giles, who was abused by Guider three decades ago, broke her silence in The Australian about what she had endured.

    Ms Giles painted a remarkable picture of a man she likened to “the psychotic bad guy you see in the movies: deeply single-minded, manipulative, narcissistic, and delusional”.

    “I have imposed a five-year extended supervision order of great stringency,” Justice Button said.

    Justice Button found keeping Guider in jail after his 23-year jail sentence expired in June this year would not “serve any rehabilitative purpose”.

    “The interaction between the defendant (Guider) and the criminal justice system is over,” he said.

    “Indeed, it came to an end some months ago, on 6 June 2019, when his total head sentence expired in its entirety.”

    Shocked victims and family members in the court this morning are still absorbing the news.

    They are expected to respond shortly.

    The strict conditions imposed on Guider include mandatory medication to reduce his sex drive, a prohibition on buying or using any p ornographic material or attending places of “sexual entertainment”.

    He is also barred from changing his name or appearance and his weekly schedule must also be provided to his parole officer three days in advance.

    Justice Button’s decision follows a protracted legal challenge by NSW Attorney-General Mark Speakman to keep the notorious p aedophile in jail for at least another year

    Guider, 69, killed nine-year-old Samantha Knight after she disappeared from Sydney’s Bondi Beach in August 1986. He pleaded guilty to manslaughter in 2002 and was jailed for 17 years, however he now claims he did not kill Samantha and will deny it “to his dying day”.

    Her body has never been found.

    Guider was also jailed for sex offences against 13 young boys and girls, committed between 1980 and 1996. Guider took photos of his victims and drugged some of the children with sleeping tablets in soft drink before he assaulted them.

    In June Justice Button imposed an interim detention order to keep Guider behind bars before the final hearing on 20 August.

    A number of his victims, including Samantha Knight’s mother Tess and one of his child victims, Lisa Giles, pleaded with Justice Button to never release him in the community.

    Tess Knight, whose daughter was kidnapped and drugged by Guider on August 19, 1986, broke down repeatedly as she described her “terrible ­imaginings” about what he “did to her little body”.

    But Justice Button said three experts in psychology and psychiatry had concluded the risks of Guider re-offending could be “reasonably managed under a stringent and lengthy system of supervision in the community”.

    Complete Oz article – no comments allowed

  33. Top Ender

    Link to the above probably won’t work as a space had to be inserted in the P word to get it past the filter

  34. Knuckle Dragger

    The MG42 was the premier GPMG of WW2 by a street. Nothing else came close.

    IIRC the Yanks got hold of it, tried to make it ‘better’ and ended up with the M60.

  35. C.L.

    How can a woman in her 60s claim to have been sexually ‘assaulted’ by a gynaecologist over a four year period (during which time she made no complaint)?

    A former doctor who was disqualified last year following numerous complaints relating to his use of pelvic mesh implants has been charged with sexually assaulting a patient in Sydney’s east.

    Richard Reid, 77, is accused of sexually assaulting a 64-year-old patient a number of times between 2010 and 2014 at his Edgecliff practice.

    Moreover …

    In a statement, police said a 77-year-old man attended Waverley police station on Monday following extensive inquiries by officers attached to the Eastern Suburbs police area command.

    He was arrested and charged with eight counts of aggravated sexual assault and refused bail to appear at Waverley Local Court on Tuesday.

    Refused bail?
    So this now geriatric assaulted her sexually and she kept going back for more, is that right?

  36. egg_

    An average ‘societal’ IQ in the 60-70 range

    By Western standards.
    Their weaponry kept the Polynesians at bay.

  37. notafan

    I would guess CL that he purported to do something for a medical reason when in fact it was solely for his own sexual gratification

    there was a fellow in Vic quite some years ago who conned numerous women into having an ultrasound wand inserted vaginally, he was not able to be charged with ra pe because they had ‘consented’.

  38. Bruce of Newcastle

    Keeping a weather eye on the Vatican

    You alluding to his latest Roger?

    Pope Francis Calls for ‘Drastic Measures’ to Combat ‘Climate Emergency’ (2 Sep)

    Which is odd since the data shows nothing much is happening in the real world.
    Meanwhile:

    Yore: Pope Francis Goes Silent on Hong Kong Protests as Christians Take Major Role (28 Aug)

    First Chinese bishops consecrated with Pope Francis’ approval after deal (28 Aug)

    News yesterday is also that the Chinese authorities are heavily persecuting Christians who don’t kowtow, and are rewriting the bible to be more to their liking. I’ll see if I can find the link.

  39. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    IIRC the Yanks got hold of it, tried to make it ‘better’ and ended up with the M60.

    The design of the M60 was, indeed, based on that of the MG42.

  40. stackja

    Top Ender
    #3146705, posted on September 3, 2019 at 11:06 am
    I thought the purpose of jail was ALSO to provide protection for the community?

    Old ideas now out of fashion. Time will tell if fashion returns. Another ‘paper file’ didn’t last long outside.

  41. C.L.

    Justice Button found keeping Guider in jail after his 23-year jail sentence expired in June this year would not “serve any rehabilitative purpose”.

    Ah yes, one of the left’s biggest ever distraction squirrels. Rehabilitation as the goal of imprisonment.
    Except the public gives not a single shit about the rehabilitation of serious criminal offenders.
    What they want and expect of incarceration is punishment. That and public safety.
    Guider should die in jail.
    Compared to the heavyweight intellects to be found on superior US and British benches, Australian judges are gormless administrative automatons.

  42. Bruce of Newcastle

    Ah, found it:

    Things Are Worse Than We Imagined in China (1 Sep)

    Earlier this week, I met with some Christian friends who have lived and worked in China for many years. What they shared with me was chilling and sobering. (They are well-connected and not simply airing personal opinions.)

    First, the crackdown against Christian believers in the country (not to mention the crackdown against Muslims and others, which we did not discuss in detail), is getting increasingly severe.

    Even the national, Three-Self churches, in which there were some real, Gospel preaching pastors, are now virtually bereft of such leaders. And it is true that the Communist Party is rewriting the Bible to make it suitable for their purposes. This, then, would be the Bible used in these government-run churches. Talk about an utterly blasphemous act.

    As for the underground churches, the crackdown against them is intensifying.

    My friends have Chinese colleagues whose family members have received life sentences because of their faith.

    Arrests, brutal interrogations, imprisonments, disruption of meetings, beatings, destroying of “unauthorized” Bibles and Christian books are increasingly common. In one instance that was shared with me, those owning non-approved Bibles and other resources were hit with “stiff fines and the books earmarked for destruction. But not before they (the materials) were first dumped in piles on the street before they were carted off…followed by the pastor who was then sent to prison.”

    Back to Stalinism. I think it is crazy for Xi to persecute Christians when the bible says several times that we are to obey the law and honour the authorities wherever possible. What better citizens could a country have than industrious hard working law abiding ones? But Maoism is its own religion which can brook no other.

  43. notafan

    Pope Francis has to think long and hard about whether commenting about Hong Kong will make things worse for China’s Catholics.

    It wouldn’t be the first time a totalitarian government backlashed Christians after the Pope spoke out against their regime

    And really why would the Chicoms care what the Pope said?

    They aren’t members of his flock

    Anti-extradition HK students meet Pope Francis

  44. Bruce of Newcastle

    Ah, found it:

    Things Are Worse Than We Imagined in China (1 Sep)

    Earlier this week, I met with some Christian friends who have lived and worked in China for many years. What they shared with me was chilling and sobering. (They are well-connected and not simply airing personal opinions.)

    First, the crackdown against Christian believers in the country (not to mention the crackdown against Mu slims and others, which we did not discuss in detail), is getting increasingly severe.

    Even the national, Three-Self churches, in which there were some real, Gospel preaching pastors, are now virtually bereft of such leaders. And it is true that the Communist Party is rewriting the Bible to make it suitable for their purposes. This, then, would be the Bible used in these government-run churches. Talk about an utterly blasphemous act.

    As for the underground churches, the crackdown against them is intensifying.

    My friends have Chinese colleagues whose family members have received life sentences because of their faith.

    Arrests, brutal interrogations, imprisonments, disruption of meetings, beatings, destroying of “unauthorized” Bibles and Christian books are increasingly common. In one instance that was shared with me, those owning non-approved Bibles and other resources were hit with “stiff fines and the books earmarked for destruction. But not before they (the materials) were first dumped in piles on the street before they were carted off…followed by the pastor who was then sent to prison.”

    Back to Stalinism. I think it is crazy for Xi to persecute Christians when the bible says several times that we are to obey the law and honour the authorities wherever possible. What better citizens could a country have than industrious hard working law abiding ones? But Maoism is its own religion which can brook no other.

  45. Top Ender

    A normal weekend in Esperance then:

    Police are yet to lay charges after more than 150 people interrupted an Aussie rules club celebration by brawling nearby with baseball bats and poles, before being dispersed with pepper spray and resuming the fight at a nearby property.

  46. C.L.

    There is a new film just released about the relationship between Ratzinger and Bergoglio … It’s being praised and reviewed generously but it looks to me like conventional history-doctoring.

    Stars Anthony Hopkins and Jonathan Pryce:

  47. Mother Lode

    they were gobsmacked by the Indigenous civilisations they recorded in their journals

    …sinew and spirit having overcome all obstacles I did finally reach the summit. A wonderous sight received me. For the extent, variegate colour, texture, and diversity of formations I was astounded at the view my newly gained position afforded me – far more impressive and detailed* than I had seen throughwith my ascent. I withdrew a short distance to an outcropping which might have been worked by providence into a shape** expressly for a weary traveller to recline in and unburdened myself of my kit and equipment. I was much invigorated by an unexpected but sustained current of cool air***. This was double welcome for I had long since exhausted my supplies of water and there was no source**** with which I might replenish my supply in this place or its environs.

    * Proof of Aboriginal look-out platforms with telescopes, which in turn implies a standardised currency to operate the telescopes.

    ** Indigenous stone masonry. No providence necessary. Also notice his astonishment. Aborigines invented relaxing. This may have been Europeans’ first encounter with the concept.

    *** Aircon! I knew it!

    **** The Europeans did not understand Aboriginal plumbing and were unable to master taps.

  48. notafan

    No fresh articles on the Tamil notterrorists in the Guardian SBS etc today

    has the MSM lost interest?

    The Bakhtiarias blamed the media and their legal advisors for getting them booted from Aus when the two oldest sons were last interviews in Pakistan at the end of 2005 before disappearing from the media landscape never to be thought of by their progressive advocates again.

  49. Geriatric Mayfly

    One example of Pascoe’s scholarship: He writes that Indigenes “terraced” the Maribyrnong river valley.

    They learned it from the Maori. For those interested in stream morphology, NZ river terraces are something to behold; often scalloped in serried ranks down to the the existing stream level.

  50. Sirocco

    egg_
    #3146629, posted on September 3, 2019 at 9:34 am
    Re monkeys randomly typing novels:
    Aboriginal Australians likely had no written language for 40,000 years, as they devolved due to isolation.”

    That isolation did not begin until a little less than about 15,000 years ago at MWP1A (Melt Water Pulse 1A, the first of the major melting of ice) when the civilisation which had occupied the low lying Sahul Shelf basin for 35,000 years – now flooded by the Arafura Sea – was destroyed. The lake at the eastern end became known today as the Gulf of Carpentaria.

    The destruction of that civilisation and the resulting isolation that marooned the aboriginals from mainstream humanity just as modern humans were passing from hunter-gatherers to farmer-graziers meant they did not invent written languages, which was something that began only after the isolation.

    As a side result, there can be no possible claims that aboriginals have the longest continuous civilisation – 50,000 years – in the world. Simply nonsense. It was destroyed 15,000 years ago, as the resulting waves of invasions of people fleeing rising sea levels disrupted established settlements.

  51. stackja

    C.L.
    #3146715, posted on September 3, 2019 at 11:18 am

    Stephen Leslie Bradley died in prison.

  52. Roger

    Pope Francis has to think long and hard about whether commenting about Hong Kong will make things worse for China’s Catholics.

    Even worse than his 2018 deal with the Chicoms left them?

  53. Anthony

    What sort of monkeys?

    European or African monkeys?

  54. notafan

    There is a new film just released about the relationship between Ratzinger and Bergoglio … It’s being praised and reviewed generously but it looks to me like conventional history-doctoring.

    Was either man interviewed for the movie or is all speculation and conjecture from third or fourth hand sources?

    I thought so

  55. C.L.

    But I will reserve judgement.
    Hopkins and Pryce are worth watching.

  56. areff

    As native americans terraced the Grand Canyon.

  57. notafan

    Things can always get worse Roger

    just ask the converts like St Teresa Benedicta of the Cross who were rounded up in the Netherlands after one particular statement

    oh wait

  58. Geriatric Mayfly

    How can a woman in her 60s claim to have been sexually ‘assaulted’ by a gynaecologist over a four year period (during which time she made no complaint)?

    Viv Waller heard about it.

  59. Roger

    Things can always get worse Roger

    No doubt, nota, the pope doesn’t want to provoke the regime.

    But how does the regime view that?

  60. Whalehunt fun

    Is she complaining about the assault or complaining about a decline in quality over the four years. I have noticed a decline in the quality of service at Myers. There seem to be fewer sales staff to process purchases. I am not complaining processing of sales happening. I am complaining about the declining quality of the experience.

  61. None

    It’s ” inspired by true events” C.L. Waihi vets wall never he stated but I can guarantee you that Pope Benedict will be presented as a mildly eccentric and perhaps lovable old dinosaur and Frank will be the breath of fresh air who will bring all things gay and green to the Vatican. Bleh.

  62. notafan

    The Pope doesn’t have an army any more Roger.

    I am surprised that people expect him to ‘do’ anything other than talk to these people and seek compromise

    The Chinese Church is in a difficult position but perhaps not as bad as say the Ukrainian Church under the Russian Communists.

  63. Whalehunt fun

    Presumably Myers have a social media watch process where they monitor references to them. Will they take my comments seriously? Will the contact the woman to determine her views?

  64. WF.
    Time to go out and get us a whale or two.
    Whale oil is the obvious choice for lighting and heating as the Viktoristan electricity supply winds down.

  65. feelthebern

    Hopkins and Pryce are worth watching.

    In my younger years I remember watching & hating Remains of the Day.
    I watched it recently & found Hopkins mesmerising.
    The child brain struggles to appreciate an artist at work.

  66. Geriatric Mayfly

    Time to go out and get us a whale or two.

    Viv Waller deserves another mention.

  67. Arky

    I met with some Christian friends who have lived and worked in China for many years. What they shared with me was chilling and sobering…
    As for the underground churches, the crackdown against them is intensifying.

    My friends have Chinese colleagues whose family members have received life sentences because of their faith.
    ..

    Worked our well for the Romans.

    Constantine now became the Western Roman emperor. He soon used his power to address the status of Christians, issuing the Edict of Milan in 313. This proclamation legalized Christianity and allowed for freedom of worship throughout the empire

    ..
    And for Stalin:

    Christianity in Russia is the most widely professed religion in the country, with nearly 71% of the population identifying as Orthodox Christian according to World Atlas.

  68. notafan

    China now has 31 million Christians, or 67 million, depending on the source

    definitely growing, as the persecuted Church so often does

  69. Black Ball

    Hot on the heels of the Cardinal’s prosecution comes this ditty. Mr Hart quoted in the article bemoaning the ‘slow process’ in hearing out the matters. Easy peasy, have the hearings in Victoria, that will hasten the process.

  70. calli

    This is a funny one.

    He’s disappointed in the Labor Party for being silent, but doesn’t want the Liberals to say too much in support because he’s a progressive.

    Oh, the terrible conflict!

  71. old bloke

    calli
    #3146681, posted on September 3, 2019 at 10:40 am

    I stand corrected, old bloke.

    Lucky Anne.

    Looks like we won’t see another Queen on the throne in our time, unless Anne can convince all the blokes in line before her to convert to Roman Catholicism.

    Maybe Charles can do the trans thing and identify as a woman? Queen Charlotte I.

  72. notafan

    40s to the 60s?

    Some very very old people there.

    anyone convicted in a court of law over these alleged abuses?

    The ‘Bishop with a 150 wives’ was an MSC who took Tiwi Islander girls handed to him for safe keeping though that was much earlier than the 1940s.

    Pity some people cannot sue family members who abused them

    There would be thousands and thousands of those cases.

  73. C.L.

    How is a man who kidnapped, drugged, r-aped and killed a nine year-old girl EVER released from jail? Additionally, this animal seriously molested 13 other boys and girls. And – and – he has said FU to police regarding the whereabouts of Samantha Knight’s body. She has never been found.

    Judge Button: Yeah, he’s good to go.

    This is degeneracy, pure and simple.

  74. notafan

    First thread of spring now up

  75. JB of Sydney/Shanghai

    For those interested in going to Church in Shanghai.

    https://www.chinahighlights.com/shanghai/article-top-churches.htm

  76. Herodotus

    Knives don’t kill people. Balsamics with knives kill people.
    (just trying to avoid sinc’s el spaminator)

  77. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Judge Button: Yeah, he’s good to go.

    Judge Button won’t ever have to live with the consequences of his decision.

  78. JB of Sydney/Shanghai

    I attended this one a couple of years ago, a full house.

    1. Shanghai Community Fellowship (Guoji Libai Tang)
    This is a multi-denominational Christian church that can accommodate up to 1,400 people. Located at the former French Concession, the church has members hailing from over 60 countries around the world.

    How to access the church
    At 53 Hengshan Road in Xuhui District, near the Wulumuqi Road intersection, Shanghai Community Fellowship is only a short walk from Hengshan station on Metro Line 1.

    Services
    The church holds two services at different times.

    Sunday Service: 1st Service, 2.00 – 3.30 pm; 2nd service 4.00 – 5.00 pm
    Youth Service: Sunday, 4pm only.
    Communion Service: December 24th
    Christmas Service: December 25th
    New Year’s Eve Praise and Worship: December 31, 9.30 pm to 1.am

  79. Cassie of Sydney

    “C.L.
    #3146756, posted on September 3, 2019 at 12:23 pm
    How is a man who kidnapped, drugged, r-aped and killed a nine year-old girl EVER released from jail? Additionally, this animal seriously molested 13 other boys and girls. And – and – he has said FU to police regarding the whereabouts of Samantha Knight’s body. She has never been found.

    Judge Button: Yeah, he’s good to go.

    This is degeneracy, pure and simple.”

    Yep…and to me it’s a sign as to why our society if crumbling before our eyes. This cockroach….actually that’s an insult to cockroaches…refuse to reveal where Samantha’s body is. I thought parole was only granted when there was clear penitence. Our system is a joke.

  80. Diogenes

    I thought parole was only granted when there was clear penitence. Our system is a joke.

    You are correct, but sadly he served his time in full. He was eligible for parole back in ’14 , but was refused as he didn’t divulge the location of Samantha Knight’s body

  81. Roger

    I am surprised that people expect him to ‘do’ anything other than talk to these people and seek compromise

    That’s all I expect him to do, nota.

  82. Arky

    You are correct, but sadly he served his time in full.

    ..
    Opponents of the death penalty might ponder the consequences of their morally weak squeamish girlishness in cases like this.

  83. Arky

    Local council busy driving around my suburb this morning dropping off new recycling bins of half the capacity of the old ones.
    Good work, green morons.
    Your tax on landfills, combined with shutting down cheap electricity means recycling is both uneconomic, and the only viable way for householders to rid themselves of the copious amount of excess packaging your dumb mates in the crony corporations foist on us.
    I am not buying another appliance unless the shop selling it to me agrees to keep all the stupid packaging.
    I’m already asking shops if they have scissors to cut off those stupid shrink wrap thick plastic whatever the hell it is they put Chinese shit in these days:
    “Here, bin this for me, wilya mate”?

  84. Arky

    There’s a new thread isn’t there?
    I’m here ranting to myself, aren’t I?

  85. Welcome to the club, Arky.
    An Ardent Admirer.

  86. rickw

    I think it is crazy for Xi to persecute Christians when the bible says several times that we are to obey the law and honour the authorities wherever possible. What better citizens could a country have than industrious hard working law abiding ones? But Maoism is its own religion which can brook no other.

    I don’t think he’s that smart, picking the one fight he doesn’t need to, and the one fight that is most likely to end badly for him.

    If the Romans couldn’t stamp out Christianity, the Chicoms have no chance.

  87. Rockdoctor

    Cardimona

    #3146662, posted on September 3, 2019 at 10:20 am

    What Bruce said. My coffee went everywhere when I saw the WD40 analogy. Fracking fluids are generally solutions with additives, generally biodegradable. Most are the same as normal drilling fluids which are pretty benign (some are actually used as food additives). Fracking has a bad image from the cowboys that dominated it’s rapid expansion and the deluge of green/left rubbish that dominates the interwebs. My experience even with semi cowboy operators a decade ago everyone is hypersensitive to contamination and the muds (drilling fluids) are getting better regarding contamination every year.

  88. None

    This is degeneracy, pure and simple.

    Agree C.L. and Cassie. But of course journalist like Chris Kenny I’m more concerned about somebody’s bad taste tweets then the fact that these evil child killets are allowed to walk the streets again.

  89. Knuckle Dragger

    I don’t think Ms Whiny Vegan’s thought this through.

    Of course her neighbours are deliberately having barbies. It’s their backyard. Of course their kids are bouncing basketballs. That’s what they’re for.

    Buy a penthouse apartment with your own cabbage in Perth’s
    tallest building, Ms Quality of Life. Otherwise mind your own goddamned business.

  90. Knuckle Dragger

    Stinking hot in Khartoum today.

  91. Classical Hero:

    John C, the next presidential election, the people of Colorado are going to be disenfranchised because President Trump will win the popular vote.

    I would larff my guts out if President Trump won the Popular vote, the vast majority of the Electoral College thingy, and reduced the Commos to a rump that would fit in a Tarago.
    Then he went ahead and broke up FB/Twitter, told the states to build nuclear power plants, mined the southern border, and announced a prize to the first company to put a man/woman on the moon and then another one on Mars.

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