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  1. Top Ender

    Hitler and the socialist dream

    George Watson
    22 November 1998

    He declared that ‘national socialism was based on Marx’. Socialists have always disowned him. But a new book insists that he was, at heart, a left-winger

    In April 1945, when Adolf Hitler died by his own hand in the rubble of Berlin, nobody was much interested in what he had once believed. That was to be expected. War is no time for reflection, and what Hitler had done was so shattering, and so widely known through images of naked bodies piled high in mass graves, that little or no attention could readily be paid to National Socialism as an idea. It was hard to think of it as an idea at all. Hitler, who had once looked a crank or a clown, was exposed as the leader of a gang of thugs, and the world was content to know no more than that.

    Half a century on, there is much to be said. Even thuggery can have its reasons, and the materials that have newly appeared, though they may not transform judgement, undoubtedly enrich and deepen it. Confidants of Hitler. such as the late Albert Speer, have published their reminiscences; his wartime table-talk is a book; early revelations like Hermann Rauschning’s Hitler Speaks of 1939 have been validated by painstaking research, and the notes of dead Nazis like Otto Wagener have been edited, along with a full text of Goebbels’s diary.

    It is now clear beyond all reasonable doubt that Hitler and his associates believed they were socialists, and that others, including democratic socialists, thought so too. The title of National Socialism was not hypocritical. The evidence before 1945 was more private than public, which is perhaps significant in itself. In public Hitler was always anti-Marxist, and in an age in which the Soviet Union was the only socialist state on earth, and with anti-Bolshevism a large part of his popular appeal, he may have been understandably reluctant to speak openly of his sources. His megalomania, in any case, would have prevented him from calling himself anyone’s disciple. That led to an odd and paradoxical alliance between modern historians and the mind of a dead dictator. Many recent analysts have fastidiously refused to study the mind of Hitler; and they accept, as unquestioningly as many Nazis did in the 1930s, the slogan “Crusade against Marxism” as a summary of his views. An age in which fascism has become a term of abuse is unlikely to analyse it profoundly.

    His private conversations, however, though they do not overturn his reputation as an anti-Communist, qualify it heavily. Hermann Rauschning, for example, a Danzig Nazi who knew Hitler before and after his accession to power in 1933, tells how in private Hitler acknowledged his profound debt to the Marxian tradition. “I have learned a great deal from Marxism” he once remarked, “as I do not hesitate to admit”. He was proud of a knowledge of Marxist texts acquired in his student days before the First World War and later in a Bavarian prison, in 1924, after the failure of the Munich putsch. The trouble with Weimar Republic politicians, he told Otto Wagener at much the same time, was that “they had never even read Marx”, implying that no one who had failed to read so important an author could even begin to understand the modern world; in consequence, he went on, they imagined that the October revolution in 1917 had been “a private Russian affair”, whereas in fact it had changed the whole course of human history! His differences with the communists, he explained, were less ideological than tactical. German communists he had known before he took power, he told Rauschning, thought politics meant talking and writing. They were mere pamphleteers, whereas “I have put into practice what these peddlers and pen pushers have timidly begun”, adding revealingly that “the whole of National Socialism” was based on Marx.

    That is a devastating remark and it is blunter than anything in his speeches or in Mein Kampf.; though even in the autobiography he observes that his own doctrine was fundamentally distinguished from the Marxist by reason that it recognised the significance of race – implying, perhaps, that it might otherwise easily look like a derivative. Without race, he went on, National Socialism “would really do nothing more than compete with Marxism on its own ground”. Marxism was internationalist. The proletariat, as the famous slogan goes, has no fatherland. Hitler had a fatherland, and it was everything to him.

    Yet privately, and perhaps even publicly, he conceded that National Socialism was based on Marx. On reflection, it makes consistent sense. The basis of a dogma is not the dogma, much as the foundation of a building is not the building, and in numerous ways National Socialism was based on Marxism. It was a theory of history and not, like liberalism or social democracy, a mere agenda of legislative proposals. And it was a theory of human, not just of German, history, a heady vision that claimed to understand the whole past and future of mankind. Hitler’s discovery was that socialism could be national as well as international. There could be a national socialism. That is how he reportedly talked to his fellow Nazi Otto Wagener in the early 1930s. The socialism of the future would lie in “the community of the volk”, not in internationalism, he claimed, and his task was to “convert the German volk to socialism without simply killing off the old individualists”, meaning the entrepreneurial and managerial classes left from the age of liberalism. They should be used, not destroyed. The state could control, after all, without owning, guided by a single party, the economy could be planned and directed without dispossessing the propertied classes.

    That realisation was crucial. To dispossess, after all, as the Russian civil war had recently shown, could only mean Germans fighting Germans, and Hitler believed there was a quicker and more efficient route. There could be socialism without civil war.

    Now that the age of individualism had ended, he told Wagener, the task was to “find and travel the road from individualism to socialism without revolution”. Marx and Lenin had seen the right goal, but chosen the wrong route – a long and needlessly painful route – and, in destroying the bourgeois and the kulak, Lenin had turned Russia into a grey mass of undifferentiated humanity, a vast anonymous horde of the dispossessed; they had “averaged downwards”; whereas the National Socialist state would raise living standards higher than capitalism had ever known. It is plain that Hitler and his associates meant their claim to socialism to be taken seriously; they took it seriously themselves.

    For half a century, none the less, Hitler has been portrayed, if not as a conservative – the word is many shades too pale – at least as an extreme instance of the political right. It is doubtful if he or his friends would have recognised the description. His own thoughts gave no prominence to left and right, and he is unlikely to have seen much point in any linear theory of politics. Since he had solved for all time the enigma of history, as he imagined, National Socialism was unique. The elements might be at once diverse and familiar, but the mix was his.

    Hitler’s mind, it has often been noticed, was in many ways backward-looking: not medievalising, on the whole, like Victorian socialists such as Ruskin and William Morris, but fascinated by a far remoter past of heroic virtue. It is now widely forgotten that much the same could be said of Marx and Engels.

    It is the issue of race, above all, that for half a century has prevented National Socialism from being seen as socialist. The proletariat may have no fatherland, as Lenin said. But there were still, in Marx’s view, races that would have to be exterminated. That is a view he published in January-February 1849 in an article by Engels called “The Hungarian Struggle” in Marx’s journal the Neue Rheinische Zeitung, and the point was recalled by socialists down to the rise of Hitler. It is now becoming possible to believe that Auschwitz was socialist-inspired. The Marxist theory of history required and demanded genocide for reasons implicit in its claim that feudalism was already giving place to capitalism, which must in its turn be superseded by socialism. Entire races would be left behind after a workers’ revolution, feudal remnants in a socialist age; and since they could not advance two steps at a time, they would have to be killed. They were racial trash, as Engels called them, and fit only for the dung-heap of history.

    That brutal view, which a generation later was to be fortified by the new pseudo-science of eugenics, was by the last years of the century a familiar part of the socialist tradition, though it is understandable that since the liberation of Auschwitz in January 1945 socialists have been eager to forget it. But there is plenty of evidence in the writings of HG Wells, Jack London, Havelock Ellis, the Webbs and others to the effect that socialist commentators did not flinch from drastic measures. The idea of ethnic cleansing was orthodox socialism for a century and more.

    So the socialist intelligentsia of the western world entered the First World War publicly committed to racial purity and white domination and no less committed to violence. Socialism offered them a blank cheque, and its licence to kill included genocide. In 1933, in a preface to On the Rocks, for example, Bernard Shaw publicly welcomed the exterminatory principle which the Soviet Union had already adopted. Socialists could now take pride in a state that had at last found the courage to act, though some still felt that such action should be kept a secret. In 1932 Beatrice Webb remarked at a tea-party what “very bad stage management” it had been to allow a party of British visitors to the Ukraine to see cattle-trucks full of starving “enemies of the state” at a local station. “Ridiculous to let you see them”, said Webb, already an eminent admirer of the Soviet system. “The English are always so sentimental” adding, with assurance: “You cannot make an omelette without breaking eggs.” A few years later, in 1935, a Social Democratic government in Sweden began a eugenic programme for the compulsory sterilisation of gypsies, the backward and the unfit, and continued it until after the war.

    The claim that Hitler cannot really have been a socialist because he advocated and practised genocide suggests a monumental failure, then, in the historical memory. Only socialists in that age advocated or practised genocide, at least in Europe, and from the first years of his political career Hitler was proudly aware of the fact. Addressing his own party, the NSDAP, in Munich in August 1920, he pledged his faith in socialist-racialism: “If we are socialists, then we must definitely be anti-semites – and the opposite, in that case, is Materialism and Mammonism, which we seek to oppose.” There was loud applause. Hitler went on: “How, as a socialist, can you not be an anti-semite?” The point was widely understood, and it is notable that no German socialist in the 1930s or earlier ever sought to deny Hitler’s right to call himself a socialist on grounds of racial policy. In an age when the socialist tradition of genocide was familiar, that would have sounded merely absurd. The tradition, what is more, was unique. In the European century that began in the 1840s from Engels’s article of 1849 down to the death of Hitler, everyone who advocated genocide called himself a socialist, and no exception has been found.

    The first reactions to National Socialism outside Germany are now largely forgotten. They were highly confused, for the rise of fascism had caught the European left by surprise. There was nothing in Marxist scripture to predict it and must have seemed entirely natural to feel baffled. Where had it all come from? Harold Nicolson, a democratic socialist, and after 1935 a Member of the House of Commons, conscientiously studied a pile of pamphlets in his hotel room in Rome in January 1932 and decided judiciously that fascism (Italian-style) was a kind of militarised socialism; though it destroyed liberty, he concluded in his diary, “it is certainly a socialist experiment in that it destroys individuality”. The Moscow view that fascism was the last phase of capitalism, though already proposed, was not yet widely heard. Richard remarked in a 1934 BBC talk that many students in Nazi Germany believed they were “digging the foundations of a new German socialism”.

    By the outbreak of civil war in Spain, in 1936, sides had been taken, and by then most western intellectuals were certain that Stalin was left and Hitler was right. That sudden shift of view has not been explained, and perhaps cannot be explained, except on grounds of argumentative convenience. Single binary oppositions – cops-and-robbers or cowboys-and-indians – are always satisfying. The Molotov-Ribbentrop pact was seen by hardly anybody as an attempt to restore the unity of socialism. A wit at the British Foreign Office is said to have remarked that all the “Isms” were now “Wasms”, and the general view was that nothing more than a cynical marriage of convenience had taken place.

    By the outbreak of world war in 1939 the idea that Hitler was any sort of socialist was almost wholly dead. One may salute here an odd but eminent exception. Writing as a committed socialist just after the fall of France in 1940, in The Lion and the Unicorn, Orwell saw the disaster as a “physical debunking of capitalism”, it showed once and for all that “a planned economy is stronger than a planless one”, though he was in no doubt that Hitler’s victory was a tragedy for France and for mankind. The planned economy had long stood at the head of socialist demands; and National Socialism, Orwell argued, had taken from socialism “just such features as will make it efficient for war purposes”. Hitler had already come close to socialising Germany. “Internally, Germany has a good deal in common with a socialist state.” These words were written just before Hitler’s attack on the Soviet Union. Orwell believed that Hitler would go down in history as “the man who made the City of London laugh on the wrong side of its face” by forcing financiers to see that planning works and that an economic free-for-all does not.

    At its height, Hitler’s appeal transcended party division. Shortly before they fell out in the summer of 1933, Hitler uttered sentiments in front of Otto Wagener, which were published after his death in 1971 as a biography by an unrepentant Nazi. Wagener’s Hitler: Memoirs of a Confidant, composed in a British prisoner-of-war camp, did not appear until 1978 in the original German, and arrived in English, without much acclaim, as recently as 1985. Hitler’s remembered talk offers a vision of a future that draws together many of the strands that once made utopian socialism irresistibly appealing to an age bred out of economic depression and cataclysmic wars; it mingles, as Victorian socialism had done before it, an intense economic radicalism with a romantic enthusiasm for a vanished age before capitalism had degraded heroism into sordid greed and threatened the traditional institutions of the family and the tribe.

    Socialism, Hitler told Wagener shortly after he seized power, was not a recent invention of the human spirit, and when he read the New Testament he was often reminded of socialism in the words of Jesus. The trouble was that the long ages of Christianity had failed to act on the Master’s teachings. Mary and Mary Magdalen, Hitler went on in a surprising flight of imagination, had found an empty tomb, and it would be the task of National Socialism to give body at long last to the sayings of a great teacher: “We are the first to exhume these teachings.” The J ew, Hitler told Wagener, was not a socialist, and the Jesus they crucified was the true creator of socialist redemption. As for communists, he opposed them because they created mere herds, Soviet-style, without individual life, and his own ideal was “the socialism of nations” rather than the international socialism of Marx and Lenin. The one and only problem of the age, he told Wagener, was to liberate labour and replace the rule of capital over labour with the rule of labour over capital.

    These are highly socialist sentiments, and if Wagener reports his master faithfully they leave no doubt about the conclusion: that Hitler was an unorthodox Marxist who knew his sources and knew just how unorthodox the way in which he handled them was. He was a dissident socialist. His programme was at once nostalgic and radical. It proposed to accomplish something that Christians had failed to act on and that communists before him had attempted and bungled. “What Marxism, Leninism and Stalinism failed to accomplish,” he told Wagener, “we shall be in a position to achieve.”

    That was the National Socialist vision. It was seductive, at once traditional and new. Like all so- cialist views it was ultimately moral, and its economic and racial policies were seen as founded on universal moral laws. By the time such conversations saw the light of print, regrettably, the world had put such matters far behind it, and it was less than ever ready to listen to the sayings of a crank or a clown.

    That is a pity. The crank, after all, had once offered a vision of the future that had made a Victorian doctrine of history look exciting to millions. Now that socialism is a discarded idea, such excitement is no doubt hard to recapture. To relive it again, in imagination, one might look at an entry in Goebbels’s diaries. On 16 June 1941, five days before Hitler attacked the Soviet Union, Goebbels exulted, in the privacy of his diary, in the victory over Bolshevism that he believed would quickly follow. There would be no restoration of the tsars, he remarked to himself, after Russia had been conquered. But Jew ish Bolshevism would be uprooted in Russia and “real socialism” planted in its place – “Der echte Sozialismus”. Goebbels was a liar, to be sure, but no one can explain why he would lie to his diaries. And to the end of his days he believed that socialism was what National Socialism was about.

    The Lost Literature of Socialism by George Watson is published by Lutterworth, 15 pounds

  2. calli

    Hollow point sarcasm is also useful. And Parody grenades.

  3. John Constantine

    Knowing australias political elites, walking up to one of those parasites with Aldi shopping bags of cash and saying that you were part of a Latin American cartel culture that was killing a hundred people a day in Mexico and was importing half a billion dollar shipments of drugs into australia would be like tossing coins into a wishing well that worked.

    As long as the bribes flow, australias medical marijuana industry will be stifled by paperwork, and the floodgates to Latin cartel members will be open.

    Camarada Maaaaaaaaaaates.

  4. zyconoclast

    These aren’t Chinese shelias

    I know who I’d bin.

    Variation is the spice…

  5. Top Ender

    Hitler and the socialist dream

    George Watson
    22 November 1998

    He declared that ‘national socialism was based on Marx’. Socialists have always disowned him. But a new book insists that he was, at heart, a left-winger

    In April 1945, when Adolf Hitler died by his own hand in the rubble of Berlin, nobody was much interested in what he had once believed. That was to be expected. War is no time for reflection, and what Hitler had done was so shattering, and so widely known through images of naked bodies piled high in mass graves, that little or no attention could readily be paid to National Socialism as an idea. It was hard to think of it as an idea at all. Hitler, who had once looked a crank or a clown, was exposed as the leader of a gang of thugs, and the world was content to know no more than that.

    Half a century on, there is much to be said. Even thuggery can have its reasons, and the materials that have newly appeared, though they may not transform judgement, undoubtedly enrich and deepen it. Confidants of Hitler. such as the late Albert Speer, have published their reminiscences; his wartime table-talk is a book; early revelations like Hermann Rauschning’s Hitler Speaks of 1939 have been validated by painstaking research, and the notes of dead Nazis like Otto Wagener have been edited, along with a full text of Goebbels’s diary.

    It is now clear beyond all reasonable doubt that Hitler and his associates believed they were socialists, and that others, including democratic socialists, thought so too. The title of National Socialism was not hypocritical. The evidence before 1945 was more private than public, which is perhaps significant in itself. In public Hitler was always anti-Marxist, and in an age in which the Soviet Union was the only socialist state on earth, and with anti-Bolshevism a large part of his popular appeal, he may have been understandably reluctant to speak openly of his sources. His megalomania, in any case, would have prevented him from calling himself anyone’s disciple. That led to an odd and paradoxical alliance between modern historians and the mind of a dead dictator. Many recent analysts have fastidiously refused to study the mind of Hitler; and they accept, as unquestioningly as many Nazis did in the 1930s, the slogan “Crusade against Marxism” as a summary of his views. An age in which fascism has become a term of abuse is unlikely to analyse it profoundly.

    His private conversations, however, though they do not overturn his reputation as an anti-Communist, qualify it heavily. Hermann Rauschning, for example, a Danzig Nazi who knew Hitler before and after his accession to power in 1933, tells how in private Hitler acknowledged his profound debt to the Marxian tradition. “I have learned a great deal from Marxism” he once remarked, “as I do not hesitate to admit”. He was proud of a knowledge of Marxist texts acquired in his student days before the First World War and later in a Bavarian prison, in 1924, after the failure of the Munich putsch. The trouble with Weimar Republic politicians, he told Otto Wagener at much the same time, was that “they had never even read Marx”, implying that no one who had failed to read so important an author could even begin to understand the modern world; in consequence, he went on, they imagined that the October revolution in 1917 had been “a private Russian affair”, whereas in fact it had changed the whole course of human history! His differences with the communists, he explained, were less ideological than tactical. German communists he had known before he took power, he told Rauschning, thought politics meant talking and writing. They were mere pamphleteers, whereas “I have put into practice what these peddlers and pen pushers have timidly begun”, adding revealingly that “the whole of National Socialism” was based on Marx.

    That is a devastating remark and it is blunter than anything in his speeches or in Mein Kampf.; though even in the autobiography he observes that his own doctrine was fundamentally distinguished from the Marxist by reason that it recognised the significance of race – implying, perhaps, that it might otherwise easily look like a derivative. Without race, he went on, National Socialism “would really do nothing more than compete with Marxism on its own ground”. Marxism was internationalist. The proletariat, as the famous slogan goes, has no fatherland. Hitler had a fatherland, and it was everything to him.

    Yet privately, and perhaps even publicly, he conceded that National Socialism was based on Marx. On reflection, it makes consistent sense. The basis of a dogma is not the dogma, much as the foundation of a building is not the building, and in numerous ways National Socialism was based on Marxism. It was a theory of history and not, like liberalism or social democracy, a mere agenda of legislative proposals. And it was a theory of human, not just of German, history, a heady vision that claimed to understand the whole past and future of mankind. Hitler’s discovery was that socialism could be national as well as international. There could be a national socialism. That is how he reportedly talked to his fellow Nazi Otto Wagener in the early 1930s. The socialism of the future would lie in “the community of the volk”, not in internationalism, he claimed, and his task was to “convert the German volk to socialism without simply killing off the old individualists”, meaning the entrepreneurial and managerial classes left from the age of liberalism. They should be used, not destroyed. The state could control, after all, without owning, guided by a single party, the economy could be planned and directed without dispossessing the propertied classes.

    That realisation was crucial. To dispossess, after all, as the Russian civil war had recently shown, could only mean Germans fighting Germans, and Hitler believed there was a quicker and more efficient route. There could be socialism without civil war.

    Now that the age of individualism had ended, he told Wagener, the task was to “find and travel the road from individualism to socialism without revolution”. Marx and Lenin had seen the right goal, but chosen the wrong route – a long and needlessly painful route – and, in destroying the bourgeois and the kulak, Lenin had turned Russia into a grey mass of undifferentiated humanity, a vast anonymous horde of the dispossessed; they had “averaged downwards”; whereas the National Socialist state would raise living standards higher than capitalism had ever known. It is plain that Hitler and his associates meant their claim to socialism to be taken seriously; they took it seriously themselves.

    For half a century, none the less, Hitler has been portrayed, if not as a conservative – the word is many shades too pale – at least as an extreme instance of the political right. It is doubtful if he or his friends would have recognised the description. His own thoughts gave no prominence to left and right, and he is unlikely to have seen much point in any linear theory of politics. Since he had solved for all time the enigma of history, as he imagined, National Socialism was unique. The elements might be at once diverse and familiar, but the mix was his.

    Hitler’s mind, it has often been noticed, was in many ways backward-looking: not medievalising, on the whole, like Victorian socialists such as Ruskin and William Morris, but fascinated by a far remoter past of heroic virtue. It is now widely forgotten that much the same could be said of Marx and Engels.

    It is the issue of race, above all, that for half a century has prevented National Socialism from being seen as socialist. The proletariat may have no fatherland, as Lenin said. But there were still, in Marx’s view, races that would have to be exterminated. That is a view he published in January-February 1849 in an article by Engels called “The Hungarian Struggle” in Marx’s journal the Neue Rheinische Zeitung, and the point was recalled by socialists down to the rise of Hitler. It is now becoming possible to believe that Auschwitz was socialist-inspired. The Marxist theory of history required and demanded genocide for reasons implicit in its claim that feudalism was already giving place to capitalism, which must in its turn be superseded by socialism. Entire races would be left behind after a workers’ revolution, feudal remnants in a socialist age; and since they could not advance two steps at a time, they would have to be killed. They were racial trash, as Engels called them, and fit only for the dung-heap of history.

    That brutal view, which a generation later was to be fortified by the new pseudo-science of eugenics, was by the last years of the century a familiar part of the socialist tradition, though it is understandable that since the liberation of Auschwitz in January 1945 socialists have been eager to forget it. But there is plenty of evidence in the writings of HG Wells, Jack London, Havelock Ellis, the Webbs and others to the effect that socialist commentators did not flinch from drastic measures. The idea of ethnic cleansing was orthodox socialism for a century and more.

    So the socialist intelligentsia of the western world entered the First World War publicly committed to racial purity and white domination and no less committed to violence. Socialism offered them a blank cheque, and its licence to kill included genocide. In 1933, in a preface to On the Rocks, for example, Bernard Shaw publicly welcomed the exterminatory principle which the Soviet Union had already adopted. Socialists could now take pride in a state that had at last found the courage to act, though some still felt that such action should be kept a secret. In 1932 Beatrice Webb remarked at a tea-party what “very bad stage management” it had been to allow a party of British visitors to the Ukraine to see cattle-trucks full of starving “enemies of the state” at a local station. “Ridiculous to let you see them”, said Webb, already an eminent admirer of the Soviet system. “The English are always so sentimental” adding, with assurance: “You cannot make an omelette without breaking eggs.” A few years later, in 1935, a Social Democratic government in Sweden began a eugenic programme for the compulsory sterilisation of gypsies, the backward and the unfit, and continued it until after the war.

    The claim that Hitler cannot really have been a socialist because he advocated and practised genocide suggests a monumental failure, then, in the historical memory. Only socialists in that age advocated or practised genocide, at least in Europe, and from the first years of his political career Hitler was proudly aware of the fact. Addressing his own party, the NSDAP, in Munich in August 1920, he pledged his faith in socialist-racialism: “If we are socialists, then we must definitely be anti-semites – and the opposite, in that case, is Materialism and Mammonism, which we seek to oppose.” There was loud applause. Hitler went on: “How, as a socialist, can you not be an anti-semite?” The point was widely understood, and it is notable that no German socialist in the 1930s or earlier ever sought to deny Hitler’s right to call himself a socialist on grounds of racial policy. In an age when the socialist tradition of genocide was familiar, that would have sounded merely absurd. The tradition, what is more, was unique. In the European century that began in the 1840s from Engels’s article of 1849 down to the death of Hitler, everyone who advocated genocide called himself a socialist, and no exception has been found.

    The first reactions to National Socialism outside Germany are now largely forgotten. They were highly confused, for the rise of fascism had caught the European left by surprise. There was nothing in Marxist scripture to predict it and must have seemed entirely natural to feel baffled. Where had it all come from? Harold Nicolson, a democratic socialist, and after 1935 a Member of the House of Commons, conscientiously studied a pile of pamphlets in his hotel room in Rome in January 1932 and decided judiciously that fascism (Italian-style) was a kind of militarised socialism; though it destroyed liberty, he concluded in his diary, “it is certainly a socialist experiment in that it destroys individuality”. The Moscow view that fascism was the last phase of capitalism, though already proposed, was not yet widely heard. Richard remarked in a 1934 BBC talk that many students in Nazi Germany believed they were “digging the foundations of a new German socialism”.

    By the outbreak of civil war in Spain, in 1936, sides had been taken, and by then most western intellectuals were certain that Stalin was left and Hitler was right. That sudden shift of view has not been explained, and perhaps cannot be explained, except on grounds of argumentative convenience. Single binary oppositions – cops-and-robbers or cowboys-and-indians – are always satisfying. The Molotov-Ribbentrop pact was seen by hardly anybody as an attempt to restore the unity of socialism. A wit at the British Foreign Office is said to have remarked that all the “Isms” were now “Wasms”, and the general view was that nothing more than a cynical marriage of convenience had taken place.

    By the outbreak of world war in 1939 the idea that Hitler was any sort of socialist was almost wholly dead. One may salute here an odd but eminent exception. Writing as a committed socialist just after the fall of France in 1940, in The Lion and the Unicorn, Orwell saw the disaster as a “physical debunking of capitalism”, it showed once and for all that “a planned economy is stronger than a planless one”, though he was in no doubt that Hitler’s victory was a tragedy for France and for mankind. The planned economy had long stood at the head of socialist demands; and National Socialism, Orwell argued, had taken from socialism “just such features as will make it efficient for war purposes”. Hitler had already come close to socialising Germany. “Internally, Germany has a good deal in common with a socialist state.” These words were written just before Hitler’s attack on the Soviet Union. Orwell believed that Hitler would go down in history as “the man who made the City of London laugh on the wrong side of its face” by forcing financiers to see that planning works and that an economic free-for-all does not.

    At its height, Hitler’s appeal transcended party division. Shortly before they fell out in the summer of 1933, Hitler uttered sentiments in front of Otto Wagener, which were published after his death in 1971 as a biography by an unrepentant Nazi. Wagener’s Hitler: Memoirs of a Confidant, composed in a British prisoner-of-war camp, did not appear until 1978 in the original German, and arrived in English, without much acclaim, as recently as 1985. Hitler’s remembered talk offers a vision of a future that draws together many of the strands that once made utopian socialism irresistibly appealing to an age bred out of economic depression and cataclysmic wars; it mingles, as Victorian socialism had done before it, an intense economic radicalism with a romantic enthusiasm for a vanished age before capitalism had degraded heroism into sordid greed and threatened the traditional institutions of the family and the tribe.

    Socialism, Hitler told Wagener shortly after he seized power, was not a recent invention of the human spirit, and when he read the New Testament he was often reminded of socialism in the words of Jesus. The trouble was that the long ages of Christianity had failed to act on the Master’s teachings. Mary and Mary Magdalen, Hitler went on in a surprising flight of imagination, had found an empty tomb, and it would be the task of National Socialism to give body at long last to the sayings of a great teacher: “We are the first to exhume these teachings.” The J ew, Hitler told Wagener, was not a socialist, and the Jesus they crucified was the true creator of socialist redemption. As for communists, he opposed them because they created mere herds, Soviet-style, without individual life, and his own ideal was “the socialism of nations” rather than the international socialism of Marx and Lenin. The one and only problem of the age, he told Wagener, was to liberate labour and replace the rule of capital over labour with the rule of labour over capital.

    These are highly socialist sentiments, and if Wagener reports his master faithfully they leave no doubt about the conclusion: that Hitler was an unorthodox Marxist who knew his sources and knew just how unorthodox the way in which he handled them was. He was a dissident socialist. His programme was at once nostalgic and radical. It proposed to accomplish something that Christians had failed to act on and that communists before him had attempted and bungled. “What Marxism, Leninism and Stalinism failed to accomplish,” he told Wagener, “we shall be in a position to achieve.”

    That was the National Socialist vision. It was seductive, at once traditional and new. Like all so- cialist views it was ultimately moral, and its economic and racial policies were seen as founded on universal moral laws. By the time such conversations saw the light of print, regrettably, the world had put such matters far behind it, and it was less than ever ready to listen to the sayings of a crank or a clown.

    That is a pity. The crank, after all, had once offered a vision of the future that had made a Victorian doctrine of history look exciting to millions. Now that socialism is a discarded idea, such excitement is no doubt hard to recapture. To relive it again, in imagination, one might look at an entry in Goebbels’s diaries. On 16 June 1941, five days before Hitler attacked the Soviet Union, Goebbels exulted, in the privacy of his diary, in the victory over Bolshevism that he believed would quickly follow. There would be no restoration of the tsars, he remarked to himself, after Russia had been conquered. But J ewish Bolshevism would be uprooted in Russia and “real socialism” planted in its place – “Der echte Sozialismus”. Goebbels was a liar, to be sure, but no one can explain why he would lie to his diaries. And to the end of his days he believed that socialism was what National Socialism was about.

    The Lost Literature of Socialism by George Watson is published by Lutterworth, 15 pounds

  6. egg_

    Can’t see EV trucks in this report I’m looking at.

    They’d probably rely on our coal and iron ore for the big stuff; and for infrastructure, too.

  7. Cassie of Sydney

    “Tintarella di Luna
    #3147674, posted on September 4, 2019 at 5:58 pm
    3 out of 4 comments rejected this morning — what a tally — student j’ismists at work”

    Tinta…are you writing a complaint? I had a comment rejected this morning within one minute of posting it so I immediately wrote a complaint….and then the comment was then miraculously accepted. I have been assured by Jason Gagliadi and others that the moderators aren’t politically biased but I have told him that is rubbish.

  8. Tailgunner

    No one’s asked our man in Colombo…
    Doc, is Sri Lanka still exucuting exTamil operatives over there?
    Even the children?

  9. John Constantine

    Small business residency rorts in rural australia are obvious, the qualification period isn’t that long, then the immigration crime cartel that owns the business moves their pipeline along to the next family that will pay for the service.

    Australia has outsourced immigration policy to transnational cartels that seem to have the concession to sell residency through loopholes.

    Instead of selecting on merit, australia is selecting those most willing and capable of paying bribes to authority.

    Just as our elites desired.

  10. Mater

    “Between us and the Communists there are no political affinities but there are intellectual one. Like you, we consider necessary a centralized and unitary state which imposes iron discipline on all persons, with this difference, that you reach this conclusion by way of the concept of class, and we by way of the concept of nation.”

    Mussolini, “Per la vera pacificazione” in Opera omnia, Vol 17, p. 295.

  11. Mater

    “…All these pretences and lies have collapsed together. The most squirming apologists now will not be able to convince anyone but idiots of their sincerity. At last the issue stands clear. Hitlerism is brown communism, Stalinism is red Fascism. The world will now understand the the only real “ideological” issue is one between democracy, liberty and peace on the one hand and despotism, terror and war on the other.”

    The New York Times, Editorial – ‘The Russian Betrayal’, 18 September 1939

  12. Tailgunner

    I was too much of a tightwad to buy a MAGA hat when I was in Vegas.

    Lost it all on the slots?
    Oh noes!
    So, you want Our Man in Manhattan (OMM) to pick you up how many MAGA hats?

  13. egg_

    Small business residency rorts in rural australia are obvious, the qualification period isn’t that long, then the immigration crime cartel that owns the business moves their pipeline along to the next family that will pay for the service.

    Seems that way from the rude customer service offered – we had to wash our own dishes in the restaurant after breakfast and folk were ejected at 9:30 a.m. pronto!
    They must have thought Fawlty Towers was a documentary.

  14. JC

    There’s really no point if arguing if Fascism and Nazism are part of the socialist house. Of course they are but leftists always look for wiggle room. These two variations of socialism belong to the same house and are simply different rooms of collectivism. DB once described it like this. It’s collectivism and there’s no escaping when you pin it as such.

  15. egg_

    The rather large motel was once part of a major chain but was badly in need of paint, etc. like a ghost town.

  16. zyconoclast

    St Jacinda’s name only appears once in the article and in a positive context.
    All the bad stuff is associated with other and the generic NZ Govt.

    ‘We are changing it’: New Zealand backflips on 100,000 affordable home pledge

    Wellington: The New Zealand government has performed a spectacular mea culpa on one of Labour’s signature election policies, walking away from a pledge to build 100,000 affordable new homes within a decade.

  17. John Constantine

    https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/755kg-of-mexican-meth-found-stashed-in-frozen-cow-hides-20190828-p52ls8.html

    Mexican drug cartel allegedly used “putrid” cowhides to smuggle more than 750 kilograms of the drug ice worth hundreds of millions of dollars into Australia.

    Juan Manuel Plaza Lopez, 42, has been charged with importing 161 packages of ice found hidden inside 18 pallets of untreated cowhides in Sydney earlier this month.

    Everybody knows that Big australia has lost the industrial capacity to process our own cowhides, let alone import overseas cowhides through quarantine.

    https://www.weeklytimesnow.com.au/agribusiness/livestock-sales/kelly-country/hide-and-skin-prices-have-dropped-significantly-during-the-past-year-as-synthetics-take-off/news-story/eae1cd0fa2b519016565f8aa9d676850

    THE leather industry in a “Kodak” phase — at risk of being made irrelevant by technology and the rise of synthetic or faux leather products that are cheaper and have no animal welfare stigma?

    Demand signals, in the form of prices for raw cattle skins, paint a picture of a very troubled leather industry not just in Australia but globally.

    Prices for cattle hides have been falling for more than two years and are now at extremely low levels, to the point secondary grade hides have no commercial value and are reportedly being dumped into landfill.

    Lamb skin prices have also started to decline and are now proving difficult to sell, although they have more protection due to wool values.

    Sold some lambs this week, 230 bucks each, but the skin value for these, which once would have been fifteen bucks was down to a single dollar per skin.

    Importing raw skins into australia full of drugs almost looks like they wanted to be caught as a distraction or payoff.

  18. calli

    No, no, Gunner. We were righteous and stayed at Trump hotel. No pokies.

    I didn’t want to walk through a Den of Misery to get to my room.

  19. Mater

    “…the Nazi economy shared many characteristics with the dominant socialist economy of the time. The National Socialists were socialist in practice as well as name…”

    – Peter Temin (1990), Economist and Economic Historian, Gray Professor Emeritus of Economics at MIT and former head of the Economics Department at MIT.

  20. Roger

    Wellington: The New Zealand government has performed a spectacular mea culpa on one of Labour’s signature election policies, walking away from a pledge to build 100,000 affordable new homes within a decade.

    Not a core promise, evidently.

  21. Muddy

    Oooh, Calli’s on fire this evening.
    Personally, I prefer infiltration, undermining, and psychological warfare to shatter the spirits and empty the bowels.

  22. JC

    It’s old (Feb 2019) but still a goody.

    The Bee.

    U.S.—The nation breathed a collective sigh of relief Monday while watching footage in which Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez appeared to come out against the concept of reproducing.

    Stating they realized that we really dodged a bullet this time, citizens all over the country expressed their sudden sense of comfort and serenity at the fact that Ocasio-Cortez would probably never have children. Fear and trepidation had swept the nation upon the realization that Ocasio-Cortez likely possessed the capability to reproduce actual human children, whom she would then ingrain with her values and politics for their entire childhoods before they would go on to have political careers of their own.

    “This is a huge burden off my chest,” said Lyle Billings of Lawrence, Kansas. “I suddenly realized that there could be two, three, or even four little Ocasio-Cortezes running around one day. So I totally support the congresswoman’s position against having children. It’s really what’s best for the nation as a whole.”

    While the nation is typically baffled at Ocasio-Cortez’s positions, her bold stand against having children has become her most popular policy position yet, garnering a 97% approval rating.

  23. Roger

    St Jacinda’s name only appears once in the article and in a positive context.
    All the bad stuff is associated with other and the generic NZ Govt.

    A pattern is emerging.

    Jacinda virtue signals/makes empty promises, sounder heads walk them back.

    She’s the Pope Francis of the political world.

  24. John Constantine

    Big Australia has made us so rich we can afford to dump our cowhides and sheepskins into landfill, having got such a good price to give up the industrial capacity to tan leather.

    Global demand for leather is down and synthetics are the main reason,’’ he said.

    “But it is a cyclic thing and fashion will make changes and natural leather will come back again.’’

    Synthetic leather, faux leather or PVU — the product goes by a lot of names — is growing rapidly among everyday products such as shoes, furniture, car seats and clothing.

    Reports published by market research companies this year suggest the global synthetic leather industry is on a roll with annual growth of 5–7 per cent forecast to 2025.

    One company, MarketWise, estimated global synthetic leather production at 44,067,000 tonnes in 2017, and tipped the market to reach 65,406,000 tonnes within 10 years — substantial growth.

    Market drivers are listed as lower prices compared to genuine leather, the animal welfare movement which has the fashion industry turning away from leather, fur and sheep skin, and the easy-care qualities of synthetics.

    “The price of a faux leather footwear product is three times cheaper than the ones made from animal hides,’’ was a key point in the report that is predicting shoes will underpin the growth of man-made synthetics over leather.

    It leaves the livestock industry with the significant issue of how to recover a decent price, or at the very least, effectively dispose of hides generated from every animal slaughtered.

    The following is the latest Victorian price lists for hides of various sized cattle, and the price change relative to a year ago, according to MLA data:

    • Hides off calves 140-180kg carcass weight, $4 — down 79 per cent on a year ago;

    • 181-220kg, $6.25 — down 74 per cent;

    • 221-280kg, $9 — down 70 per cent;

    • 281-350kg, $14.25 — down 63 per cent;

    • 351kg-plus, $20.75 — down 59 per cent.

    The downturn in demand for hides is not only affecting Australia, but other major cattle nations, such as the United States.

    The latest hide reports from the big US company Braun Exports gives an insight into the growing problems the industry is facing as demand drops away while livestock slaughter continues.

    This month it said: “The market was full of stories about raw hides, wet blue and crust leather being stacked up around the world. We have been told that, because hides have been so historically cheap, Chinese tanners as well as tanners elsewhere have bought more hides than are required to fill their leather orders.’’

    Further exaggerating the situation is the Trump war on tariffs with China, which is where most skins and hides are processed.

  25. JC

    Mater
    #3147697, posted on September 4, 2019 at 6:23 pm

    “…the Nazi economy shared many characteristics with the dominant socialist economy of the time. The National Socialists were socialist in practice as well as name…”

    – Peter Temin (1990), Economist and Economic Historian, Gray Professor Emeritus of Economics at MIT and former head of the Economics Department at MIT.

    Being socialist, they had no price signal in nearly all facets of the economy. Part of their spying – particularly in the UK – was reporting prices of goods being sold there.

  26. Tailgunner

    Sorry Cali, I forgot!
    Good stuff.
    We’re there leftists out the front?

  27. calli

    Don’t forget Mocking. And Searing Taunts.

    These useful weapons may be set on time delay* or cunningly disguised as “empathy”.

    *It takes a while to twig.

  28. Tailgunner

    Shia leBouf?
    Lol!!!!!!

  29. Arky

    About 43 million adult Americans—roughly one-sixth of the U.S. population older than age 18—currently carry a federal student loan and owe $1.5 trillion in federal student loan debt…
    ..

    Meanwhile, US universities are sitting on masive endowment funds:
    ..

    The 802 institutions in this year’s Study represented $616.5 billion in endowment assets.

    ..
    Now, if I have my American billions and trillions correct, that means Trump could go into the next election promising to shave 40% off every student loan, if he was prepared to give the universities a good dose of the leftist wealth redistribution they themselves are happy to preach to a generation of young Americans.

  30. John Constantine

    https://fashion-history.lovetoknow.com/fashion-clothing-industry/tanning-leather

    Before domestication of cattle and pigs, skins of deer and wild animals, as well as wild sheep and goats were dressed. Paleolithic cave paintings depict figures wearing skins and furs, and excavations at these sites have revealed an active leather industry. Flint instruments, including knives, scrapers, and awls used for removing flesh, have been found in addition to wooden poles and beams used for beating and draping hides. Later Neolithic and Bronze Age sites have yielded leather dagger sheaths, scabbards, shields, footwear, and jerkins of a sophistication that indicates that leather manufacture was mastered early in human history.

    As humans learned to domesticate cattle, horses, sheep, goats, and pigs, the availability of raw materials for leather production swelled. Uses of leather by ancient peoples included all types of clothing, belts, thongs, footwear, headwear, gloves, ties, bags and vessels, armor, sheaths, packs, seat covers, saddles, animal trappings, tents, and even sails for ships. Excavations of Sumerian peoples at Ur of the Chaldees brought to light extraordinary leather tires used on wooden wagons. In the early 2000s, the Masai women of Africa were clad in cloaks and petticoats of leather, which harkened back to the earliest years.

    When the power goes out, australians won’t even be able to stay warm using animal skins, the Neanderthals had this ability and we gave it away.

  31. Nick

    Religious schools should be required to enrol a mix of religions: Hindu Council

    Religious schools should be required to admit a certain percentage of teachers and students from other religions so children can learn about other faiths, the peak body representing Hindus has told the Morrison government.

    “Parents should have a choice,” he said, and added that Hindus did not have the infrastructure of some other religions because they had only been in Australia in “large numbers” for about 30 years.

    Cheeky fuck. How did Catholic schools start from nothing ? Irish expats, the poor donating, religious orders giving of themselves.

    Let him start his own schools.

  32. calli

    A pigmy wanting to ride the shoulders of giants, Nick.

  33. Arky

    Seriously, Trump should make the universities reimburse everyone they conned into borrowing money to do some lame arts degree.

  34. Nick

    Paul Kelly has been hotly tipped as the headline act for this year’s AFL grand final pre-match entertainment, a gig that surely qualifies as one of the toughest in the world of music.

    The 64-year-old Melbourne-based singer-songwriter is expected to perform at the Melbourne Cricket Ground on September 28, playing a short set that’s almost guaranteed to include the 1986 song Leaps and Bounds, in which he sings of being “high on the hill, looking over the bridge to the MCG”.

    The AFL have no idea.

  35. Nick

    Seriously, Calli, what a cheek. Hindus have a damn sight more income than those who first started Catholic schools, ever had.

  36. calli

    He’ll need a loooong ladder.

  37. notafan

    Same at my local shopping centre.

    More closed than open, often for a couple of weeks at a time.

    Not rude though, as far as I know.

  38. Muddy

    John Constantine
    #3147708, posted on September 4, 2019 at 6:36 pm

    When the power goes out, australians won’t even be able to stay warm using animal skins, the Neanderthals had this ability and we gave it away.

    Still loving your work, John, and hoping the Book of Constantinisms (Comrade) is not far away.

  39. Tel

    Seriously, Trump should make the universities reimburse everyone they conned into borrowing money to do some lame arts degree.

    Since Obamacare already pioneered the concept of a tax that is contingent on certain outcomes (just need to call it a tax, not a fine) Trump could take note of those student loans that are under-performing in terms of repayments (the US government is ultimately the guarantor of those loans) and impose a tax directly on the university to cover the difference. Essentially clawback by another name (call it a tax, the government has the power to tax, so sayeth SCOTUS).

  40. Frank

    Don’t forget Mocking. And Searing Taunts.

    The sardonic snicker/snigger is always effective if applied quietly in the background, sparingly mind.

  41. custard

    These Trump fashion pieces were all bought from the States. I’ve got the hat, t-shirt (x2), hoody and beanie. Cost me about $130 aussie. My niece who lives in Seattle got them for me.

  42. Steve trickler

    VicPol, has competition.



  43. Roger

    Religious schools should be required to enrol a mix of religions: Hindu Council

    Meanwhile, persecution of Christians in India is reaching disturbing levels, as even The Guardian acknowledges.

  44. Tintarella di Luna

    Thank you Top Ender top read and yet socialism is now all tickety-boo wiv da yoof

  45. JC

    Custard

    What party are you joining this year 🙂

  46. Mother Lode

    Question regarding Adam Goodes:

    Was he booed and jeered before the incident with the girl who called him an ape? Or did that situation precipitate it?

  47. Tintarella di Luna

    Cassie if Sydney when I get back I will do that

  48. JC

    mh
    #3147717, posted on September 4, 2019 at 6:46 pm

    Report: Harvard Has More Money Than Half of the World’s Countries

    https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2019/08/29/report-harvard-has-more-money-than-half-of-the-worlds-countries/

    I think it was US$45 billion before the fin crisis, mh. They had a huge vomit during that period. In any event US$38 billion isn’t a lot of money these days. 🙂

  49. zyconoclast

    Religious schools should be required to enrol a mix of religions: Hindu Council

    Catholic schools are already chock full of diversity including of the religious kind.

    In reality they are nominally Catholic only.
    At school functions, acknowledgement to elders precedes The Our Father etc

  50. Mother Lode

    Just get some Ardbeg.

    Which one.

    I had a Caol Ila Moch the other night – I often start with a Caol Ila to sort of ‘set the palate’ as it is smooth but lighter than my usuals.

    But the Moch was damned fine.

  51. calli

    Religious schools should be required to enrol a mix of religions: Hindu Council

    Meanwhile, persecution of Christians in India is reaching disturbing levels, as even The Guardian acknowledges.

    Graham Staines and his two little sons could not be contacted for comment.

    Seriously, I’m heartily sick of these dribbling, dissembling halfwits,

  52. JC

    Brookes is a weird, self serving, virtue signaling little canute.

    The mining industry body has told the technology boss he should follow in Bill Gates’ footsteps if he is serious about minimising climate change.

    Mr Cannon-Brookes has taken aim at BHP’s membership of the Minerals Council as part of his push to force a climate change policy shift, using his private investment vehicle to back a shareholder motion demanding BHP quit the mining lobby group.
    Read Next

    The tech billionaire’s Grok Ventures is one of a group of institutional investors – including Denmark’s $25 billion MP Pension and the Church of England Pensions Board – backing the resolution filed by the Australasian Centre for Corporate Responsibility ahead of BHP’s upcoming annual shareholder meetings.

    there are some protos around here. Seriously guys, is the C of E even a Christian Church anymore or is it just the religious arm of the Greens. Does it even believe in God and Jesus? Real question.

  53. Tom

    Still loving your work, John, and hoping the Book of Constantinisms (Comrade) is not far away.

    Muddy, I think John C may simply need an editor to help him compile/collate his searing analysis of the Dumb Country’s slide into the abyss. He’s our Theodore Dalrymple, but he’s a farmer, not a writer — one of the reasons the Cat is so valuable.

  54. mh

    In any event US$38 billion isn’t a lot of money these days.

    56 billion AUD.

    Not bad.

  55. Tel

    “The price of a faux leather footwear product is three times cheaper than the ones made from animal hides,’’ was a key point in the report that is predicting shoes will underpin the growth of man-made synthetics over leather.

    And faux leather shoes last about one tenth as long. They fall to bits faster than they even get comfortable … and they don’t breathe which is terrible for your feet.

    A bit of faux leather trim on a jacket or something like that can work … but when it comes to shoes, get decent leather.

  56. Cassie of Sydney

    “Religious schools should be required to enrol a mix of religions: Hindu Council”

    But they already do.

  57. Roger

    Graham Staines and his two little sons could not be contacted for comment.

    Just the tip of the iceberg, alas, most cases going unreported by the Western media.

  58. calli

    He wants to use religious schools to promote Hinduism, Cassie.

    Because “diversity”.

    He can jam it up his clacker.

  59. notafan

    Catholic schools in Vic have rules about non Catholic enrollments.

    Quite low iirc 7%.

    Our local is pretty traditional and firm in faith.

    I suppose the Hindu think they can push Catholic families aside.
    .

  60. Tel

    … backing the resolution filed by the Australasian Centre for Corporate Responsibility ahead of BHP’s upcoming annual shareholder meetings.

    There’s an Arky-style investment strategy: check out what the ACCR is up to this week, those companies that stand up to them are a buy, and those that knuckle under are a sell.

    That’s as simple as it gets … even I could follow that one.

  61. notafan

    The usual reason is they want to send their girls to girls schools and their boys to prestige schools.

  62. Bubbles

    Former Cabinet secretary Lord Turnbull added: “Getting one of the armed police to escort an adviser out of Downing Street is deeply offensive and is part of Cummings’s mantle of fear.”
    Lord Turd.
    Nuff said!

  63. mh

    Hong Kong leader Carrie Lam to announce formal withdrawal of the extradition bill and set up a committee to look into key causes of protest crisis

    * City’s leader finally agrees to one of protesters’ five demands after weeks of insisting bill would not be withdrawn
    * Lam is to meet pro-establishment allies this afternoon to tell them of her decision

    https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/politics/article/3025641/hong-kong-leader-carrie-lam-announce-formal-withdrawal

  64. zyconoclast

    AFL Grand Final entertainment announced: Australian music legend Paul Kelly is set to headline the pre-match show

    I only posted this for the first comment

    Glemy, Brisbane, Australia, 12 minutes ago

    If life was fair Paul Kelly would be a meth addicted busker on Smith Street. Even for the busking scene he’s sub par.

  65. Muddy

    Tom
    #3147740, posted on September 4, 2019 at 7:13 pm

    I’ve previously thought about compiling just a post-length list, but spare time is something I have little of. I’m frequently impressed by the constantinist perspective though.

  66. mh

    If life was fair Paul Kelly would be a meth addicted busker on Smith Street. Even for the busking scene he’s sub par.

    2gb’s Mark Levy opens his show with the first few bars of Dumb Things.

    Works well.

  67. Cassie of Sydney

    “calli
    #3147746, posted on September 4, 2019 at 7:19 pm
    He wants to use religious schools to promote Hinduism, Cassie.

    Because “diversity”.

    He can jam it up his clacker.”

    I would prefer it if he had a sock shoved down his throat.

  68. Cassie:

    I would prefer it if he had a sock shoved down his throat.

    Would you settle for a welding electrode?
    With a dodgy on/off switch?

  69. Mark A

    Winston Smith
    #3147762, posted on September 4, 2019 at 7:44 pm

    Cassie:

    I would prefer it if he had a sock shoved down his throat.

    Would you settle for a welding electrode?
    With a dodgy on/off switch?

    An electrode with a switch?
    That’s anew one on me. You didn’t do a lot of welding I take.

  70. custard

    JC

    In answer to your question. None.

  71. egg_

    Same at my local shopping centre.

    More closed than open, often for a couple of weeks at a time.

    The bush servo operators are obviously taught customer service, but hotel patrons must be a captive audience.

  72. Muddy

    Military & history nerds:

    Project Rainfall : The Secret History of Pine Gap.

    At the height of the Cold War the chief of one of Australia’s spy agencies joined three CIA men at a remote site in Central Australia to toast the success of a top secret project known in US intelligence circles as RAINFALL.

    The CIA listening station at Pine Gap was officially called the Joint Defence Space Research Facility, but it had nothing to do with research and was joint in name only: Australians were hired as cooks and janitors but the first spies were all American.

    The job of the satellites controlled from Pine Gap was to eavesdrop on Soviet missile tests. While government ministers denied that Australia was a nuclear target, bureaucrats in Canberra secretly planned for Armageddon in the suburbs of Alice Springs. No longer just a listening station, Pine Gap has metamorphosed into a key weapon in the Pentagon’s war on terror, with Australians in frontline roles.

    Drawing on declassified documents in Australian and US archives, Tom Gilling’s explosive new book tells, for the first time, the uncensored story of Australia’s most secret place.

    One doubts the book will reveal much, if anything, in the way of ‘secrets,’ but it might be an interesting read for the historical aspect.

  73. Muddy

    Another one…

    Trials of the State : Law and the Decline of Politics.

    In the past few decades, legislatures throughout the world have suffered from gridlock. In democracies, laws and policies are just as soon unpicked as made. It seems that Congress and Parliaments cannot forge progress or consensus. Moreover, courts often overturn decisions made by elected representatives.

    In the absence of effective politicians, many turn to the courts to solve political and moral questions. Rulings from the Supreme Courts in the United States and United Kingdom, or the European court in Strasbourg may seem to end the debate but the division and debate does not subside. In fact, the absence of democratic accountability leads to radicalisation. Judicial overreach cannot make up for the shortcomings of politicians. This is especially acute in the field of human rights. For instance, who should decide on abortion or prisoners’ rights to vote, elected politicians or appointed judges?

    Expanding on arguments first laid out in the 2019 Reith Lectures, Jonathan Sumption argues that the time has come to return some problems to the politicians.

  74. Exit Stage Right

    Warner Gawnnnnn!
    F**K off yah loser!

  75. mh

    Chief Executive Carrie Lam Cheng Yuet-ngor has formally withdrawn the controversial extradition bill that has caused nearly three months of social unrest in Hong Kong, confirming an earlier Post exclusive report.

  76. egg_

    Cheeky fuck.

    Are the Hindus the pushiest/surliest of the subcontinentals?
    I mainly mix with the Professional class, but have met some surly subcontinentals tradies of late, and I’m not a small bloke by any means.

  77. calli

    Winston Smith
    #3147762, posted on September 4, 2019 at 7:44 pm
    Cassie:

    I would prefer it if he had a sock shoved down his throat.

    Would you settle for a welding electrode?
    With a dodgy on/off switch?

    Can’t we have both?

    😁

  78. herodotus

    Bolt’s secret weapon – Claire March.
    I don’t care if she says lefty things.
    She’s delicious.

  79. cohenite

    Dean Makin, the most conservative announcer on talkback 2SM has just been fired for being too conservative:

    https://www.facebook.com/deanmackinsuperradionetwork/photos/a.499954633441256/1833830663386973/?type=3&theater

  80. calli

    The New Broom went to school with a Sikh. He accepted that it was a boater not a turban school.

    So he had his little man bun wrapped up in a school colour cloth and hidden under his boater.

    Best of both worlds.

  81. Empire 5:5

    Chief Executive Carrie Lam Cheng Yuet-ngor has formally withdrawn the controversial extradition bill that has caused nearly three months of social unrest in Hong Kong, confirming an earlier Post exclusive report.

    WOW. That was relatively quick and bloodless.

    The people of HK just learned whitey how it’s done. Last night a flash mob in Kowloon obstructed the arrest of a citizen. LE retreated.

  82. Empire 5:5

    One doubts the book will reveal much, if anything, in the way of ‘secrets,’ but it might be an interesting read for the historical aspect.

    There are a few existing texts that reveal never classified info and offer some insight to the planning, construction and operation of the facility.

    A lot of material has been declassified over the last two odd years. IDK if any relates to P Gap. If the author has spent time in the clown vaults, there may be some nuggets that reveal more of the puzzle.

  83. JC

    Cronkite, I missed your outrageous outrages. You’ve been hobnobbing with the climate sceptic glitterati, obviously?

  84. JC

    Frydenberg isn’t courageous, but he should stick his balls in the fire.

    Reserve Bank governor Philip Lowe could be forced to publicly explain to the Treasurer why the central bank has undershot its inflation target and outline how it intends to revive price increases, as part of an overhaul of his agreement with the government.

    Josh Frydenberg on Wednesday revealed Treasury was “engaged in a discussion” about how to help the central bank meet its 2 to 3 per cent inflation target, which it has undershot since 2016.

    Man up and fire the fuck, Josh. You can do it. Three years and nowhere near the mandate. On top of that, he’s suggesting you go on a spending binge to avoid him doing the heavy lifting. Fire him!

  85. Nick

    The HK police were one of the most dangerous groups I’ve come across. They wanted me as their nominee to a committee, but first, they set a test. They leaked information, via an intermediary, to me of an alleged crime that had been committed. I had to then ring them and report it, or they would have said i’d Concealed knowledge of a crime. Weird lot.

  86. Tailgunner

    What party are you joining this year 🙂

    Smart ass.
    It’s not a party.
    It’s MAGA now.

  87. Empire 5:5

    Themz woz the dayz:

    History Lovers Club
    @historylvrsclub
    There’s something you don’t see anymore: Green Bay Packers Head Coach Vince Lombardi takes a mid-game cigarette 1964. Check out for more: http://cmore.pics/oGWM2

    https://mobile.twitter.com/historylvrsclub/status/1169146798042222594

    Many more photos/moments at the account.

  88. cohenite

    You’ve been hobnobbing with the climate sceptic glitterati, obviously?

    Working in QLD. Dean Makin is a classic conservative; his firing is another nail in the coffin of the msm in this country.

  89. Mark A

    cohenite
    #3147792, posted on September 4, 2019 at 8:49 pm

    Working in QLD. Dean Makin is a classic conservative; his firing is another nail in the coffin of the msm in this country.

    Quite the reverse, they are cementing in their position.
    How many new conservative radio/TV/any media stations are springing up?

    Exactly, none.

    The new generation of already brainwashed people will listen, watch the MSM.
    There always will be people who think for themselves but they were a minority and remain a minority.
    No money in catering for them.

  90. Gab

    Some great news out of Poland. Battle won but the war on se xualising children by the Left is not over.

    Rafał Trzaskowski, mayor of Warsaw, signed the “Warsaw LGBT+ Declaration” Feb. 18, a document that grants many benefits to LGBT activists related to education, public activities, culture and sports.

    In the area of education, the declaration called for classes in Warsaw schools on homosexuality, bisexuality and transsexuality, implementing the World Health Organization’s standards that include encouraging early childhood children to touch and sexually gratify themselves.

    https://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/warsaw-withdraws-lgbt-sex-ed-for-children-after-pushback

  91. Leigh Lowe

    The 64-year-old Melbourne-based singer-songwriter is expected to perform at the Melbourne Cricket Ground on September 28, playing a short set that’s almost guaranteed to include the 1986 song Leaps and Bounds, in which he sings of being “high on the hill, looking over the bridge to the MCG”.

    The AFL have no idea.

    US acts cost a fortune.
    Kelly will do it for change from the back of Gil’s couch.

  92. MatrixTransform

    ‘A flock’ perhaps?

    its a flog of Biloeans

    everybody knows that

  93. custard

    PM’s questions are live in the Commons, it’s great theatre if nothing else

  94. Leigh Lowe

    They don’t care much for crickit here in Asbury Park NJ, but they were all over the moon to hear Warner had gone.
    My quietly spoken black taxi driver (who struck me as very widely read with quite a sense of social justice) described Warner as a “cheatin’ connivin’ ranga cheater.”
    He went on to say that he thought Warner would probably vote for Trump.
    We all had a good laugh at that.
    Against my better judgement I offered him a tip.
    He politely refused (thanking me for my non-racist attitudes) but saying “we will fight to get proper government mandated rates, man, so we don’t have to subject ourselves to the 21st century slavery of white mans tips.”
    We fist-bumped (as those sort of people do) and he drove off, head held high.

  95. Zyconoclast

    They don’t care much for crickit here in Asbury Park NJ,

    Apart from that bit, your story is believable.

  96. Knuckle Dragger

    Well.

    Back from doing stuff to find that a POC taxi driver in the States shares my view of Mr. Warner, and that he went for a second ball duck.

    Now I have to wait for lunch when they show the replays for a bit of comedy relief.

  97. Knuckle Dragger

    Paul Kelly is shit and always has been. His sister must work for the AFL or something.

    I saw him live in a Fitzroy pub back in the day. Didn’t know it was him, but I expressed displeasure at some middle-aged scruffy git yowling into the mike and playing guitar.

    It wasn’t until he started on ‘To Her Door’ and I said to a mate what a shit cover it was, and it was pointed out that it was Kelly, P. in person.

    Almost certainly a greenie. He can do a song about all the famous Tamil footballers at the G.

  98. Mark A

    Leigh Lowe
    #3147803, posted on September 4, 2019 at 9:27 pm

    Asbury Park NJ?

    I think more like the bedsitter in Melbourne.

  99. Knuckle Dragger

    Criminy.

    Wait till struth sees TE’s piece upthread on Adolf et al.

    He’ll self-detonate with joy.

  100. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Great video from Stossel:

  101. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    More than half of the world’s poorest people live in sub-Saharan Africa.

    Why is that region so poor? There are lots of theories. Some blame a colonial history. Others blame the weather, or discrimination.

    Magatte Wade, an African entrepreneur, tells John Stossel that she knows the biggest reason from her own first-hand experience: It’s crushing government regulation.

    “Once you hire someone, good luck getting rid of them for any reason,” she says. Her home country, Senegal, requires government permission to fire an employee. That makes it hard to run a business. It also makes entrepreneurs reluctant to hire.

    Then there’s the complicated tax code.

    “Some people say it’s worth at least two or three truckloads of paper,” she says. Hiring an accountant to wade through that is expensive for new businesses.

    Magatte started a business anyway—she makes lip balm. She has to import several ingredients that are not made in Senegal.

    “Some of them have a 70 percent import tariff on them!” Wade complains.

    High taxes and complex rules often lead to corruption, because people pay bribes to get around the rules. Wade says corruption “a natural consequence of stupid senseless idiot laws….The only way to fix corruption is to simplify.”

    Wade’s business survives without corruption, she says. One reason is that she was fortunate to find a bureaucrat who helped her find a way around the ruinous tariffs.

    “We found a clause in one of the binders saying actually if you’re exporting at least 80 percent of your products and if you’ve been in business for two years then you can ask for an exemption,” she said.

    Well-meaning Westerners often try to help Africa with aid. Tom’s Shoes gives a pair of shoes to someone in the developing world for every pair customers buy. But Wade points out that such donations destroy local African shoemakers.

    Instead of aid, she says, demand that rules be cut. That would create jobs.

    “If I have a job then, guess what?” Wade asks. “My malnutrition problem goes poof! My uneven access to clean water goes poof. It’s just poof, poof, poof!

    “Create greater economic freedom…in all countries,” Wade concludes. “So that all people everywhere get a chance to experience free enterprise.”

    The views expressed in this video are solely those of John Stossel; his independent production company, Stossel Productions; and the people he interviews. The claims and opinions set forth in the video and accompanying text are not necessarily those of Reason.

  102. Knuckle Dragger

    So I have two bouganvilleas in pots.

    One of the little shoot/branch things hanging off one of the larger branch/stalk/trunk has grown a full 12 inches today. Since I left this morning.

    Bloody things will explode when the humidity smacks us up in three weeks.

  103. Fat Tony

    Frank Walker from National Tiles
    #3147812, posted on September 4, 2019 at 9:48 pm

    ……. It’s just poof, poof, poof!

    A bit like Australia then…..

  104. Knuckle Dragger

    LL,

    Was your taxi driver segregated in the front seat?

    I hope you had a stern word to his employer.

  105. feelthebern

    God bless you Leigh Lowe.

  106. Steve trickler

    Depicting travel through space, visually, is a tough task. Scale!



  107. thefrollickingmole

    Ok heres where the “kumbyah” of libertarianism and open borders hits the wall.

    https://www.runnymedetrust.org/uploads/2017%20Election%20Briefing.pdf

    How did the parties do among ethnic minority voters in 2017? The Labour party has traditionally received the lion’s share of votes from ethnic minorities, although this tendency has lessened since 1997, when 80–90% of ethnic minority voters voted Labour. This pattern was repeated in the 2017 general election: Labour received 77% of ethnic minority votes, with 20% going to the Conservatives and 3% to other parties.4 Labour did especially well among Muslim voters in 2017; in 2015, Labour received 74% of votes from British Muslims – in 2017, this had risen to 87%. We can see this in Figure 1, which plots Labour and Conservative vote shares from the Understanding Societysurvey among different minority groups; Bangladeshi and Pakistani support for Labour increased from the high 70s to the mid-90s. This is reflected in constituency results – Labour’s vote increased by 12 percentage points in constituencies where more than 4% are Muslim, compared to an average of 10 percentage points elsewhere in England and Wales.

    Why should anyone be comfortable with one “side” of politics endorsing mass migration of a reliable ethnic voting block?

    Check the graphs on page 2….

    Ill leave you with this.
    In 2017, 1 in 5 of Labour’s voters were from an ethnic minority background; for the Conservatives it was 1 in 20.

  108. thefrollickingmole

    bad words… try again

    Ok heres where the “kumbyah” of libertarianism and open borders hits the wall.

    https://www.runnymedetrust.org/uploads/2017%20Election%20Briefing.pdf

    How did the parties do among ethnic minority voters in 2017? The Labour party has traditionally received the lion’s share of votes from ethnic minorities, although this tendency has lessened since 1997, when 80–90% of ethnic minority voters voted Labour. This pattern was repeated in the 2017 general election: Labour received 77% of ethnic minority votes, with 20% going to the Conservatives and 3% to other parties.4 Labour did especially well among Myyyyslim voters in 2017; in 2015, Labour received 74% of votes from British Myyyylims – in 2017, this had risen to 87%. We can see this in Figure 1, which plots Labour and Conservative vote shares from the Understanding Society survey among different minority groups; Bangladeshi and Pakistani support for Labour increased from the high 70s to the mid-90s. This is reflected in constituency results – Labour’s vote increased by 12 percentage points in constituencies where more than 4% are Muyyyylim, compared to an average of 10 percentage points elsewhere in England and Wales.

    Why should anyone be comfortable with one “side” of politics endorsing mass migration of a reliable ethnic voting block?

    Check the graphs on page 2….

    Ill leave you with this.
    In 2017, 1 in 5 of Labour’s voters were from an ethnic minority background; for the Conservatives it was 1 in 20.

  109. Steve trickler

    Do you remember your first kiss?



  110. Knuckle Dragger

    In a completely unexpected development, it appears to be raining at Old Trafford.

  111. Tintarella di Luna

    Before you slam universities think about the benefits: Snake-oil salesman par excellence – paragraph in block I found LOL – oh and the writer?: Phil Honeywood is chief executive of the International Education Association of Australia.

    Last week, in Nine Entertainment newspapers, ­respected political editor Chris Uhlmann decided to weigh into the media tsunami that had been building up about overseas students in our universities.

    In attempting to find a new angle to this story, Uhlmann referred to the “mess” that vice-chancellors had made “as they built gilded palaces on rivers of gold flowing from full-fee paying foreign students”. While we are well used to media hyperbole, this type of unhelpful personal attack significantly lowered the tone.

    This must be more than just a debate about the merits of international student tuition fees cross-subsidising building works (and thousands of construction jobs in the process) at our public universities.
    For what our nation has achieved during the past 50 years is far more substantial. Going back to the original post World War II Colombo Plan, we have imbued future leaders of our neighbouring countries with our Western democracy-inspired ideals, ethics and “can do” multicultural spirit.

    The pedagogical framework that our academics have put in place encourages critical thinking, creative learning and team-based project work. Given that many students from Asian countries have been educated in systems reliant on rote learning, our universities are often opening their eyes and minds to what is possible.

    There is, nowadays, a happy juxtaposition between the pedagogy provided by Australia’s higher education institutions and the world of work. Global corporations are actively seeking out young graduates with the same above mentioned attributes.

    Our own domestic higher education students have voted with their feet with one in five now undertaking a study abroad opportunity through initiatives such as the New Colombo Plan. In doing so, they also are keen to objectively benchmark their own culture by studying and working in a different one.

    What is therefore missing from Uhlmann’s analysis is the incredible soft power benefit that our nation has accrued by teaching students from around the world. For, by imbuing global citizenship attributes into young adults from different political systems and cultures, we are surely delivering on a fundamental social good.

    However, what was also galling about Uhlmann’s attack on the vice-chancellors was that it failed to mention the paucity of capital works funding that our universities have been subjected to now for decades. Faced with many competing demands on the public purse, successive state and federal governments have been largely content to let our higher education institutions find their own funds for necessary building works.

    Does our nation’s media genuinely believe that some of the world-leading research that Australia has been credited with during recent years was cooked up in laboratories that were originally constructed with taxpayer dollars in the 1950s? Does our latest graduating class of young journalists honestly think that all of the state-of-the-art equipment they may have had access to in their course has been paid for from their HECS fees?

    If the answers to such questions are in the affirmative then clearly the international education sector needs to do a better job at communicating the benefits for domestic students of the “rivers of gold” that one of our country’s leading journalists was so upset about.

    As a former governing council member of Swinburne University, I am well aware that every dollar spent by our education institutions is subject to some of the most rigorous probity and audit procedures on the planet.

    In equal measure, it is the governing board of a university that invariably determines the merits of any new lecture hall, laboratory or creative arts facility to be constructed on campus.

    What many journalists appear to be oblivious to is that each university is subject to their own separate state government act of parliament with every premier in the land able to appoint a number of their governing council members. On this basis, if they choose to do so, Australian governments can still hold significant sway over funding decisions made by our public universities.

    Of course, like all countries, Australia must address the potential for macro political issues to affect the integrity and autonomy of our education institutions.

    But it is another thing entirely to conflate these concerns with the assumption that there is a lack of due diligence on course entry standards and even construction of building works on our campuses. Such simplistic analysis overlooks the governance and the financial constraints to which our 39 public university chief executives have long been subject.

  112. Mark A

    egg_
    #3147826, posted on September 4, 2019 at 10:34 pm

    Latino muzak for Maria

    Definitely not a pick me up, puts you to sleep.

  113. Tintarella di Luna

    Sorry in the Oz – Link here probably paywalled

  114. Lazlo

    There is truth in some of what Honeywood says, in particular the autonomy that fee-paying income provides to invest in research and infrastructure. Australian universities would now be complete nonentities without that – the government basically provides subsistence funding.

    But his assertion about “most rigorous” scrutiny from university councils is a complete joke. Most council members have no idea what is going on. As for “due diligence on course entry standards”, these things never get anywhere near a Council, let alone a VC. Hence the UTS 10% discount for wimmin in Engineering and IT – straight out of the Equality of Outcomes Unit.

  115. egg_

    puts you to sleep.

    Bed is the general idea, non?

  116. Mark A

    egg_
    #3147838, posted on September 4, 2019 at 11:31 pm

    puts you to sleep.

    Bed is the general idea, non?

    Oh I get it now.
    I admit I usually take things very literally, comes with job, explaining a teaching tech stuff to foreigners where no ambiguity must exist.

  117. egg_

    It starts slowly… but ends with a climax.

  118. egg_

    Mark A
    #3147843, posted on September 4, 2019 at 11:44 pm

    No wuz – I miss your aircraft posts.

  119. Leigh Lowe

    Tintarella di Luna

    #3147831, posted on September 4, 2019 at 10:53 pm

    Before you slam universities think about the benefits: Snake-oil salesman par excellence – paragraph in block I found LOL – oh and the writer?: Phil Honeywood is chief executive of the International Education Association of Australia.

    Phil was a total C-grader from the Kennett years and has only rarely lifted his snout out of various troughs since to draw breath.
    So, what does Phil think of the FFOS racket?
    He lub it longtime, mister.

  120. None

    The pedagogical framework that our academics have put in place encourages critical thinking, creative learning and team-based project work. Given that many students from Asian countries have been educated in systems reliant on rote learning, our universities are often opening their eyes and minds to what is possible.

    so invite nothing. The majority not all of them but the majority just find creative ways to pass and get their degrees which are then use like passports to more plum jobs where they just go back into their mass production mentality. Or at best they just use it as a passport to permanent residence and an Uber job.

  121. Tintarella di Luna

    Phil was a total C-grader from the Kennett years and has only rarely lifted his snout out of various

    That’s for sure Leigh Lowe – and by their refined half-truth/half-BS waffle shall we know them

  122. Top Ender

    The biggest airport in Oz and you’re not allowed to travel into Sydney before 6am.

  123. Mark A

    Top Ender
    #3147851, posted on September 5, 2019 at 1:24 am

    The biggest airport in Oz and you’re not allowed to travel into Sydney before 6am.

    Is that a problem?
    Think of people in rural France who are dragged to court for noises their livestock makes.
    (was linked to here I think)

  124. Tintarella di Luna

    Don’t know this has been previously posted but the Meat-Eaters are on the March:

    Thousand to attend barbecue outside house of vegan who took neighbours to court over meat smell

    Lawyered up the lawyer, because he thinks people are stupid:

    Her lawyer John Hammond warned against anyone going onto her property during the planned barbecue.

    He said security cameras would be installed and anyone who trespassed would face criminal charges.

  125. Mark A

    Tintarella di Luna
    #3147853, posted on September 5, 2019 at 1:42 am

    Don’t know this has been previously posted but the Meat-Eaters are on the March:

    Thousand to attend barbecue outside house of vegan who took neighbours to court over meat smell

    The curse of living cheek by jowl in the suburbs.
    The barbecue, if it’s used moderately and sensibly as it usually is, wouldn’t bother me in the least.

    But I myself do have a problem with the noise the bouncing ball makes, be it basket or other. It simply drives me nuts, can’t help it, that constant thump, thump drives me up the wall.
    In a way I feel for her, but compromise is always better than courts.

  126. Tinta:

    Responding to the backlash, Ms Carden told Australian media: “This issue has been blown out of proportion. This is not about a vegan versus meat issue.
    “I respect the right of people to eat meat. I have no problem with barbecues. The real issue is one between neighbours.”

    Bullshit.
    Who took the issue to the Supreme Court? She did.
    Face it, sweetheart – you tried to monster your neighbours because you thought you could get away with it. And now it’s blown up in your face.
    Oh, and who funded your little tirade against your neighbours?

  127. Mark A:

    An electrode with a switch?
    That’s anew one on me. You didn’t do a lot of welding I take.

    I was referring to the entire process – at some stage there must be an on/off switch, even if it’s just the machine being plugged into a power point.
    And no, I’ve never welded a damn thing in my life – not much call for it in the health system. I did have a laser spot weld done to my retina at the start of last year, though.

  128. Tinta:

    Of course, like all countries, Australia must address the potential for macro political issues to affect the integrity and autonomy of our education institutions.

    Well, he would say that, wouldn’t he?

  129. Mark A

    Winston Smith
    #3147857, posted on September 5, 2019 at 2:21 am

    Mark A:

    An electrode with a switch?
    That’s a new one on me. You didn’t do a lot of welding I take.

    I was referring to the entire process – at some stage there must be an on/off switch, even if it’s just the machine being plugged into a power point.

    Sorry Winston, as I told egg, I tend to take words rather literately these days.
    Apologies.

  130. Mark A

    Yeah trust Hollywood and lawyers.

    Did You Know?

    Although The Lord of the Rings trilogy earned nearly three billion dollars in worldwide receipts, none of that money went to the Tolkien estate (The Tolkien Trust). J.R.R. Tolkien sold the movie rights to the trilogy (and The Hobbit) in 1969 for £10,000 plus a 7.5 percent royalty from any films based on his works (a royalty that was never paid).

  131. classical_hero

    The guy who was under the Darth Vader suit never got paid either.

  132. Mark A

    classical_hero
    #3147861, posted on September 5, 2019 at 3:29 am

    The guy who was under the Darth Vader suit never got paid either.

    Are you sure?
    I find that hard to believe.
    A guy actually alive and breathing do that for nothing?

  133. John Constantine

    The rights to make the upcoming Lord of the Rings Amazon television series is claimed to cost a quarter of a billion. The television show itself a billion dollar speculation.

    Set in the Second age, thousands of years before the movie, it will be interesting.

    Tolkien seemed to be writing out his post traumatic stress from his days in the meat grinder trenches of the First World War in his Second Age stuff.

    A modern writers panel drawing on this foundation may be tempted to use the cheap existential meaninglessness of life, emotion as intensity, tricks.

    A world where every daily newspaper and every letter and every person you met in passing was a raw reminder of an entire generation of men being butchered and maimed in slow motion, over a period of years.

    Just like the wymynsys of today suffer from climate change.

  134. 2dogs

    This must be more than just a debate about the merits of international student tuition fees

    They aren’t coming to these universities for the quality education.

    These student visas are a pathway to citizenship. The universities are making money selling Australian citizenships.

    The quality of education being provided them is farcical.

  135. Mark A

    Tom should be around in about 6 minutes according to my latest calcs.
    Of course him being a contrarian he will be either early or very late.

  136. Mark A

    Just as I thought, he is holding back.
    Have to miss his contributions then, work tomorrow.

  137. bespoke

    Some fun to start the day.

  138. 2dogs

    The European Union (Withdrawal) (No. 6) Bill 2019 has now passed the Commans.

    I noticed a huge flaw in the draft I saw.

    It requires BoJo to ask for an extension by sending a letter. Once that is done, job done. Duty discharged.

    If the EU council then “agrees” – note, not “offers” – BoJo has to accept that agreement.

    But here’s the flaw – while the UK is still a member of the EU, BoJo is going to the EU council meetings. And the bill does nothing to restrain his behaviour at that meeting.

    If, during the meeting, the other 27 members propose an extension to be offered the UK, BoJo can during the meeting, say no. The proposal would not become the action of the EU council until after the meeting where BoJo has agreed in the meeting.

    So all the clauses requiring him to accept an agreement do, is mean that afterwards he can’t change his mind.

    Also note, at the last extension meeting, May put a lot of effort into actually persuading the members to agree to it. BoJo will instead be trying to talk the other members out of the UK’s own proposal. And he only needs one, if any. I wouldn’t be surprised if he already has Raab on the phone to Orban trying to secure his no vote.

  139. Tom

    BoJo’s Brexit battle is this week’s hate fixation for David Rowe.

  140. jupes

    BoJo’s Brexit battle is this week’s hate fixation for David Rowe.

    Hey it’s not all bad. At least they had their pants on.

  141. bespoke

    No one should be surprised the Hindu council asking for space in Christian schools. With identity politics all groups are compelled to extract there peace of the pie. The ‘Progressive ‘ mind set just hasn’t got the capacity to care about the monster its creating.

    Deplorable violent protests on India’s independence Day at London

    Protestors waving Pakistani and pro-Khalistani separatists flags arrived in large number of chartered coaches from all around the country, including Birmingham, Manchester, and Bradford. These 5000+ protestors had only one purpose – which was to interrupt, intimidate and attack the peaceful Indians marking their 73rd Independence Day.

  142. feelthebern

    Another cracking Matt Taibbi read.

    https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/maria-butina-russia-spy-fbi-860256/

    What an age we live in.
    A Rolling Stone columnist provides verified, proven, fact checked work.
    The NY Times just makes shit up they have to later retract.

  143. feelthebern

    Taibbi hates Trump.
    He is alt-left.
    But he still pumps out columns blowing apart the corporate media group-think.
    Apart from Tucker, Taibbi & Greenwald, I can’t think of anyone who has maintained any level of dignity since Trump won the election.

  144. bespoke

    feelthebern
    #3147887, posted on September 5, 2019 at 6:13 am
    Apart from Tucker, Taibbi & Greenwald, I can’t think of anyone who has maintained any level of dignity since Trump won the election.

    Brit Hume

  145. 1735099

    Excellent piece on Brexit, and Johnson’s motivations, from Ivan Rogers in the Spectator –

    Deep integration inevitably requires that we eliminate the transaction costs that traders and investors face in cross-border transactions, and end regulatory discontinuities at borders. To enforce, police and adjudicate this, by definition, requires supranational legislation and a supranational Court. And those necessarily undermine national autonomy in decision-making.
    We used, across party lines, to be in favour of all that because we thought – and a massive extension of qualified majority voted to deliver it, supported by Margaret Thatcher – it a price worth paying for building a much larger and more open ‘home market’. The British were notorious, from Thatcher on, as the biggest enthusiasts for the Single Market.

  146. Win

    I would like to say a word in my international students defence. They have been wonderful. They love our kids with their complex disabilities and global developmental delay caused by numerous toxic substances including ice and alcohol in utero. With out my Colombian and Italian international students both children would be separated and in foster care.
    The Colombians who can’t get in transit visas even in Trudeau’s Canada love their country but hate the drugs and corruption.

  147. Overburdened

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/09/04/meat-the-neighbors-giant-cookout-planned-for-outside-vegans-house/

    Probably already covered, but anything about Australia that makes the news in another Country fills me with patriotic pride.

    This is the future.

    What a whimpering miserable paranoid self appointed arbiter of what is acceptable, in spite that it seems that she is the a minority of one.

    Naturally these neighbours are doing the usual activities of a normal life intentionally to make her life a misery.

    It’s good that the stupid bitch hasn’t noticed her plastic water tank and colourbond fence and nylon garden hose.

    A rational mind understands that the majority of people are too busy doing their own thing to be preoccupied with the wants of others, but wish to cause no harm.

    On the upside, this shit head got on Tele, so that means she must be famous, with multiple likes in the echo chamber of her Facebook page/ twitter feed.

  148. Mater

    That’s funny.
    The first time I can remember hearing the meme “Hitler was a Socialist” was in 2015.
    It’s a comparatively new rewrite.

    Hey, Bob. Here’s something for you which was published by an Academic (Nobel Prize winner) before 2015.

    “It is true, of course, that in Germany before 1933, and in Italy before 1922, communists and Nazis or Fascists clashed more frequently with each other than with other parties. They competed for the support of the same type of mind and reserved for each other the hatred of the heretic. But their practice showed how closely they are related. To both, the real enemy, the man with whom they had nothing in common and whom they could not hope to convince, is the liberal of the old type. While to the Nazi the communist, and to the communist the Nazi, and to both the socialist, are potential recruits who are made of the right timber, although they have listened to false prophets, they both know that there can be no compromise between them and those who really believe in individual freedom.”

    ― Friedrich A. Hayek, The Road to Serfdom, 1944

  149. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘More than 2,000 people have said they will attend the so-called Community BBQ for Cilla Carden, and another 6,000 have expressed an interest.’

    This is beyond excellent. It is so far beyond excellent that someone, somewhere will have to invent a new superlative for it.

    How dare that nasty bitch (veganism is the least of her problems, btw) complain about such atrocities as the sound of children playing in their own backyard, and patio lights being left on?

    It’d be well worth buying the place next door and filling the yard with 80-odd Jack Russells and Shih Tzus, all with separation anxiety.

    It’s called ‘having neighbours’, toots. Don’t like it? Plenty of cheap real estate in the Tanami Desert for you.

  150. Tom

    Bern, the Patrick Byrne saga is intriguing, but it’s not yet an actual story. Taibbi has simply written up some notes about the FBI’s apparent attempt to use Byrne to get Trump. The real interest, as you say, is in the fact that the beginnings of a story about FBI malfeasance has found its way into a leftwing rag like Rolling Stone, which is in the tank for the Democratic Party.

  151. Overburdened

    While I’m on the soap box, any feelings of support for the rabble rousers in Hong Kong has been dissipating as their protests became more disruptive and risky to the lives of average citizens and has now disappeared when the supposed reason for the protest (the extradition bill) has been quashed and now the protesters say they will keep on going.

    This demonstrates that the pretext for the carry on was an excuse not the reason.

    When the crunch comes no one will recall this.

  152. 1735099

    From the British Parliament live –

    There will be no election
    British MPs have rejected Prime Minister, Boris Johnson’s call for a snap election.
    It comes after the House of Commons derailed Mr Johnson’s Brexit strategy by passing a bill which would force him to ask the EU for a delay to Brexit.
    The bill must now be approved by the upper house, before it can receive royal assent.
    Members of the opposition Labour party say they will back calls for an snap-election only after the bill is signed into law.
    The vote was 298 for and 56 against after the Labour Party abstained. This was short of the 434 votes needed to achieve a two-thirds majority to go to an election.

    BoJo blunders on…..

  153. Overburdened

    KD

    Regardless of how severe the case of lovers nuts may be, do not hook up with this demento.

    Unsolicited advice in your best interests.

  154. Knuckle Dragger

    Oh, good. Liability Bob’s up.

    Old Yeller – please post some sort of defence to your original fart yesterday about the whole Adolf socialism thing being recent, given that like so many (if not all) of your talking points, this one has been systematically destroyed and the remains set on fire.

    You were not the only person who went to uni. You were not the only conscript sent overseas. You were not the only spastic herder in Australia. Unfortunately, you are not the only MX5 fan in this excellent country.

    You were warned at the time. LSD and tertiary studies don’t mix, you freaky old hippy.

  155. Knuckle Dragger

    Thanks OB. Couldn’t find her on Tinder anyway.

    I need to stop at Bunnings on the way to work later and get a wheelbarrow, if you know what I mean.

  156. 1735099

    If Johnson had any integrity, he’d resign.
    He has lost the confidence of the parliament, he has divided his party, and he has trashed any bargaining position the UK may have had with the EU.
    The man is a complete opportunist, and a one-man wrecking ball who doesn’t give a stuff about anything but his own narcissistic ambitions.
    He’s also not too bright.

  157. Twostix

    Deplorable violent protests on India’s independence Day at London

    There’s a grey cat that hangs around the scrubby bit and in the shed on our property she’s a nice looking cat and once was probably a loved, proud house pet. We didn’t mind and for a while she had it pretty good for a stray.

    Now she’s the deranged, crushed, shabby town bike. Every cat in the neighbourhood has semi-moved in to have their way with her: the gingers, the tabbys, even an ugly persian looking thing. They regularly end up seeing one another as they prowl around her territory and fight.

    She occassionally resists but they viciously attack her if she puts up too much of a fight. So over the years she’s learned to let them do what they will to her. She slinks about hoping none of them will see her. She has no territory of her own anymore.

    It’s a pathetic sight.

  158. Gab

    the whole Adolf socialism thing being recent

    And yet in Mein Kampf, Hitler says he’s a national socialist. But then some people will just keep denying the truth.

  159. calli

    If only there was some way the question of leaving the EU could be put to the British people. Some way they could express their opinion on the matter.

    It’s remarkable that that has not yet been tried.

  160. Overburdened

    Twostix

    Don’t tell the Vegans.

  161. Snoopy

    The bill must now be approved by the upper house, before it can receive royal assent.

    Isn’t the House of Lords busy with other stuff?

  162. Knuckle Dragger

    On second thought, good old Cilla should come live in Darwin.

    Every second dog is an 80kg beast that spends half its life chewing on 250+kg pigs. The mating calls of the locals echo off the frangipani. Dirt bikes and quads up and down streets and in local parks are de rigeur.

    Commercial aircraft flight paths over suburbia. Fleets of choppers taking miners to offshore rigs. Fighters, Ospreys and ancillary other air power overhead six months of the year.

    She’d probably sue the Council for six months’ worth of blistering, percussive thunder. And the crackers. Oh, goodness, the crackers. Litigation heaven.

  163. 1735099

    While to the Nazi the communist, and to the communist the Nazi, and to both the socialist.

    So even Hayek, the old fraud who claimed “that free choice is to be exercised more in the market place than in the ballot box because the first is indispensable for individual freedom while the second is not: free choice can at least exist under a dictatorship that can limit itself but not under the government of an unlimited democracy which cannot*” draws a distinction between the Nazis and the socialists.
    You need to be very careful quoting him.

    *Letters to the Editor: The dangers to personal liberty”, The Times (11 July 1978), p. 15

  164. custard

    Numbers demonstrates he knows fuck all about UK politics or what just happened in the Commons.

  165. Mater

    KD,
    If you missed it in January, read this exchange I posted. This is how you deal with ‘deniers’. 😉
    This women is brilliant!

    http://catallaxyfiles.com/2019/01/07/monday-forum-january-7-2019/comment-page-5/#comment-2902159

  166. Mater

    You need to be very careful quoting him.

    Irrelevant to the current discussion. Concentrate.

  167. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘If Johnson had any integrity, he’d resign.’

    Au contraire. That honour would belong to Corbyn. After bitching about wanting an election for two years, Johnson hands him the opportunity to do just that and he baulks.

    Johnson, much like the (demonstrated) majority of Poms has had enough. He was elected on a pro-Brexit platform. Deal or no deal, he is willing to stand or fall on the issue he campaigned for – unlike the vast majority of pollies everywhere who change tack according to what they think will keep them in the House long enough to grab their pension/perks.

    That, in my humble opinion, is integrity.

  168. Herodotus

    Another day, another polluted open thread.
    Where’s an In-Sinc-erator when you need one?

  169. Snoopy

    Hitler went on: “How, as a socialist, can you not be an anti-seemite?” The point was widely understood, and it is notable that no German socialist in the 1930s or earlier ever sought to deny Hitler’s right to call himself a socialist on grounds of racial policy. In an age when the socialist tradition of genocide was familiar, that would have sounded merely absurd.

    H/T Tel from bottom of previous page.

  170. Cassie of Sydney

    “He’s also not too bright.”

    Now that is amusing…coming from our ver own resident dunce. Boris might have his faults but he isn’t a nazi sympathiser unlike our own own resident dunce, Boris isn’t a racist unlike our own resident dunce and Boris isn’t an anti-Semite who gets off on dead Jooos unlike our own resident dunce. Aren’t we lucky here at the Cat?

  171. Cassie of Sydney

    “Herodotus
    #3147917, posted on September 5, 2019 at 7:12 am
    Another day, another polluted open thread.
    Where’s an In-Sinc-erator when you need one?

    Yep.

  172. Overburdened

    KD

    Just a thought.

    The resident dissenter and the Vegan neurotic could shack up on the Gibber Plains, far away from any normal humans, and argue with each other irrationally about stuff on which they have warped views and or know nothing about.

    No internet access.

    Win/win/win

  173. Knuckle Dragger

    Oh, God, Mater.

    Now THAT’s how to smack yourself out of a pile-on. Proof indeed that organic coffee does not improve fast-twitch muscle fibres. I’d highlighted a bit to copy, then found a better bit, then a better bit again until I almost gave up. Ultimately I settled on a bit where our heroine was responding to a passionate defence of, of course, Kooba:

    ‘So your best socialist paradise is so amazing, you have to compare it to Mexico in order for it to look good.’

    Might have to hunt Vicky down and give her a bunch of flowers. Maybe not even supermarket flowers.

  174. rickw

    A mate from the UK just visited melbournistan for the first time in about 15 years. “What the hell happened?, it’s wall to wall asians and subcontinentals?!”

  175. 1735099

    Johnson, much like the (demonstrated) majority of Poms has had enough.

    Enough of what?

    Deal or no deal, he is willing to stand or fall on the issue he campaigned for

    Which is why he should resign. He can’t deliver what he promised.

    Brexit was the product of a David Cameron brain fart. It was never thoroughly thought out policy.
    It was a bit like Trump’s wall, a magic bullet derived from a slogan.
    There was no preparation. No-one seriously thought Vote Leave was going to win, therefore there was no serious plan to do so. The whole thing was a text book example of how not to govern. Only the Tories are capable of such a train wreck.

    A much better job was done with the Scottish Independence referendum in 2014. The campaign for an independent Scotland produced a comprehensive white paper discussing all implications and plans on how they would achieve their objective. People had a clear idea of what they were voting for.

    Vote Leave did no such thing. If they had, this debacle wouldn’t exist. The blame should be sheeted home to the sloganeers. Activating Article 50 in March 2017 just made it worse. There was never any clear plan of what the government wanted, or how they’d get it.

    The “will of the people” meme is bullshit.
    It was more about what they didn’t want.
    Maybe Gomer can explain exactly what that was.

  176. Mater

    Might have to hunt Vicky down and give her a bunch of flowers. Maybe not even supermarket flowers.

    If I found her, I’d suggest that she should be The White House Press Secretary.

  177. notafan

    Swinburne

    Is that the university that has funded the largest mosque in Melbourne?

  178. custard

    The wrongology hole just got deeper.

  179. C.L.

    This is real …

    Mother arrested in front of her children for calling a trans “woman” a man on Twitter.

    Three officers arrested Mrs Scottow at her home in Hitchin, Hertfordshire, in December last year as her then ten-year-old daughter and 20-month-old son looked on.

    She was taken to a police station where she says she was detained in a cell for up for seven hours before being questioned.

  180. Entro

    Bullshit.
    Who took the issue to the Supreme Court? She did.
    Face it, sweetheart – you tried to monster your neighbours because you thought you could get away with it. And now it’s blown up in your face.
    Oh, and who funded your little tirade against your neighbours?

    On the bright side her cat will get a little less of the inheritance, such as it is.

  181. Twostix

    A Swedish behavioral scientist has suggested that it may be necessary to turn to cannibalism and start eating humans in order to save the planet

    Like I’ve said.

    These people – largely white middle class professionals are crazy and have become apocalyptic cultists. They are deadly serious about this business and we need to stop them before they Jonestown us all once they realise the world isn’t actually going to end.

  182. feelthebern

    and get a wheelbarrow,

    Oh behave, KD.

  183. Cassie of Sydney

    “The “will of the people” meme is bullshit.
    It was more about what they didn’t want.”

    Anyone else laughing at this? The Toowoomba turd is really on fire this morning. His reasoning is akin to something out of Seinfeld episode. I reckon that Larry David, the writer of Seinfeld, would be impressed by this wacko logic….except I’m sure that Larry David, being Jooooish, doesn’t like nazis.

  184. feelthebern

    and he has trashed any bargaining position the UK may have had with the EU.

    What was the change in the UK’s position?

  185. Geriatric Mayfly

    A mate from the UK just visited melbournistan for the first time in about 15 years. “What the hell happened?, it’s wall to wall asians and subcontinentals?!”

    Once a year maybe, I will descend from the Plains of Sodom to the metropolis. I ask myself the same question each time.

  186. lotocoti

    Someone has thoughtfully provided a translation of Joey the Gimp’s pamphlet
    Die verfluchten Hakenkreuzler. Etwas zum Nachdenken online.
    I’m fairly* certain 1932 predates 2015 by a bit.
    *less than 137%.

  187. Twostix

    Three officers arrested Mrs Scottow at her home in Hitchin, Hertfordshire, in December last year as her then ten-year-old daughter and 20-month-old son looked on.

    The years 1940-1985 were an anomaly for the british. They like the boot on their neck and always have.

  188. stackja

    Scrolling, scrolling…

  189. Tel

    H/T Tel from bottom of previous page.

    I believe the credit correctly goes to Top Ender #3147683 but I give my stamp of approval to the message.

  190. Cassie of Sydney

    “These people – largely white middle class professionals are crazy and have become apocalyptic cultists. They are deadly serious about this business and we need to stop them before they Jonestown us all once they realise the world isn’t actually going to end.”

    Well said…….the notion of “culling humans” is not far away…in fact I reckon some of these middle class professional climate apocalyptic cultists are already thinking this way.

    Talking of Jonestown…..I have just read an excellent book on Jim Jones and Jonestown….called “Cult City”…worth reading. Jones was a crusading maniac….aided and abetted by that secular saint of the left called Harvey Milk….who was a very, very unsavoury individual.

  191. Des Deskperson

    ‘“It is true, of course, that in Germany before 1933, and in Italy before 1922, communists and Nazis or Fascists clashed more frequently with each other than with other parties. They competed for the support of the same type of mind and reserved for each other the hatred of the heretic. ‘

    ‘They competed for the support of the same type of mind’?? Is Hayek seriously suggesting here that Italian Fascism, at least, was a working class movement??

  192. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘It was more about what they didn’t want.’

    Happy to speculate on what the Poms didn’t vote for. Obviously I can’t definitely say what they did or didn’t want, because a) I’m not a Pom, and b) unlike your good self, Old Yeller, I don’t propose to speak for others like 96 year old Holocaust survivors and entire Queensland towns.

    However, I will posit this:

    The Poms, given the choice of having their industry, imports, exports, currency and the size and shape of their fruit and vegetables run into the ground for them for the benefit of some unelected wanker globalists from a country born in 1830 and most famous for chocolate and being passively invaded, or not, chose not to.

    I would further suggest that the English people having the temerity to want their own country back instead of it remaining in some sort of globalist commune has infuriated the elites in that land, who make squillions out of those anvil-fisted and unnecessary regulations.

    They are also terrified that a bigger free trade market with the US and other countries will wreck their dreams of a lifetime supply of dry sherry to be quaffed in the manor conservatory while the hired (foreign and cheaper) help manicures the hedge and mows their lawns. Hence the faux Parliamentary outrage.

    And thanks for the compliments on my singing voice, Liability Bob. I’m crap at ‘The Internationale’ though.

  193. Tom

    The “will of the people” meme is bullshit.

    That’s exactly what every tribal leftard on earth thinks, including our dumbass troll.

    The left loathes democracy, especially the UK left, which is now trying to burn down parliament — anything to avoid an election.

    The “Conservative” party tried Turnbullesque leftism under May to stop the people getting what they voted for in the 2016 Brexit referendum.

    The people must be allowed to resolve the ludicrous impasse the Remainers have created in the past few hours. And that’s what will happen — a snap election.

    Bring it on.

  194. Knuckle Dragger

    Thatcher, with the Queen’s full backing should have invaded, conquered and annexed Belgium straight after the Falklands.

    If its history is anything to go by, it would have been a weekend’s work and saved all the current kerfuffle.

  195. Cassie of Sydney

    “Knuckle Dragger
    #3147942, posted on September 5, 2019 at 7:56 am”

    Excellent liberty post KD

  196. Mater

    ‘They competed for the support of the same type of mind’?? Is Hayek seriously suggesting here that Italian Fascism, at least, was a working class movement??

    I don’t think so, Des. The use of ‘Class’ as a tool, was the point of difference.
    Even Mussolini stated:

    “Between us and the Communists there are no political affinities but there are intellectual one. Like you, we consider necessary a centralized and unitary state which imposes iron discipline on all persons, with this difference, that you reach this conclusion by way of the concept of class, and we by way of the concept of nation. ”

    – Mussolini, “Per la vera pacificazione” in Opera omnia, Vol 17, p. 295.

  197. Bruce of Newcastle

    A Swedish behavioral scientist has suggested that it may be necessary to turn to cannibalism and start eating humans in order to save the planet

    I’ve been eating swedes for decades…they’re great in stews and ok boiled with some butter on top.

  198. Mother Lode

    Her lawyer John Hammond warned against anyone going onto her property during the planned barbecue.

    He said security cameras would be installed and anyone who trespassed would face criminal charges.

    Only a lawyer could deliver such a ridiculous and incongruous warning with such gravitas.

    Something the vegan does not understand, and the lawyer is being paid not to understand, is that carnivores at a BBQ are not angry people. They are happy. Bibulously happy. They are in harmony with their physiology and with millions of years of evolution.

    They are more likely to invite the vegan to join them even if she just eats the salad.

    Lets look at all cases where people are rampaging in the streets to shut people up, destroying property, demanding other peoples freedoms be clipped, trying to intimidate dissent (think Antifa – but certainly they are just one of many) and you will find they are dominated by vegans.

    Both of these people are victims of their own nature. The vegan is a perpetually miserable aberration that sees themself as a fixed point and the whole rest of the universe as whirling uncontrollably out of kilter. The lawyer will humiliate himself for money like an aching sweating streetwalker.

  199. Mater

    I’ve been eating swedes for decades

    I’ve not yet had the pleasure.

  200. C.L.

    ASIO boss claims Wussian internet trolls are more dangerous than Mvzl1m terrorists:

    Foreign interference more of ‘an existential threat’ to Australia than terrorism, ASIO chief says.

    Speaking ahead of his retirement later this month, the director general of the Australian Security Intelligence Organisation (ASIO) said the risk from terrorism had “plateaued”, and espionage and foreign interference was “by far and away the most serious issue going forward”.

    “Terrorism has never been an existential threat to established states,” Mr Lewis told the Lowy Institute in Sydney on Wednesday night.

    “It is a terrible risk that our populations run and it is a very serious matter which must be addressed every day.

    “The counter-espionage and foreign interference issue, however, is something which is ultimately an existential threat to the state, or it can be an existential threat to the state. It has the capacity to do that.”

    By “our populations,” he means people. Sure, being knifed in the street is a “risk.” But the more important thing is the “threat to the state.”

  201. mh

    The EU was set up by globalists as one of the pillars of global government. That’s why there was never any discussion by anyone on a mechanism to leave.

    The UK is a superb warning to other nations – NEVER give up your sovereignty.

  202. Snoopy

    Tel
    #3147939, posted on September 5, 2019 at 7:54 am
    H/T Tel from bottom of previous page.

    I believe the credit correctly goes to Top Ender #3147683 but I give my stamp of approval to the message.

    My apologies to Top Ender and Tel.

    Note to self. Do not post before coffee.

  203. egg_

    the notion of “culling humans” is not far away…in fact I reckon some of these middle class professional climate apocalyptic cultists are already thinking this way.

    When Their ABC RN’s Richard Glover says climate “deniers” should be visibly tattooed same and sent to Pinchgut, that’s not very far away.
    Their Totalitarian Drive Show host.

  204. Percy Popinjay

    Paul Kelly has been hotly tipped as the headline act for this year’s AFL grand final pre-match entertainment

    The craptastic cretins “administrating” the ALPFL are so clueless I’m surprised they didn’t book legendary j’ismist Paul “is wrong (again)’ Kelly for the pre-match yowlfest.

  205. C.L.

    the notion of “culling humans” is not far away

    What do you mean, not far away?
    95 percent of Down Syndrome babies are killed before they’re born.

  206. MatrixTransform

    suggested that it may be necessary to turn to cannibalism and start eating humans in order to save the planet

    and

    They are more likely to invite the vegan to join them

    that’s given me a great idea … get the rotisserie

  207. egg_

    A Swedish behavioral scientist has suggested that it may be necessary to turn to cannibalism and start eating humans in order to save the planet

    Send him to the New Guinea highlands for some field research.

  208. Cassie of Sydney

    “C.L.
    #3147958, posted on September 5, 2019 at 8:16 am
    the notion of “culling humans” is not far away

    What do you mean, not far away?
    95 percent of Down Syndrome babies are killed before they’re born.””

    You’re right.

  209. feelthebern

    Can any other Wentworth Cats see or hear this plane buzzing around ?

  210. Cassie of Sydney

    “When Their ABC RN’s Richard Glover says climate “deniers” should be visibly tattooed same and sent to Pinchgut, that’s not very far away.
    Their Totalitarian Drive Show host.”

    Glover the eternal totalitarian fascist. I happen to know several elderly women with visible tattoos on their arms. It’s not a pretty sight.

  211. Cassie of Sydney

    “feelthebern
    #3147962, posted on September 5, 2019 at 8:23 am
    Can any other Wentworth Cats see or hear this plane buzzing around ?”

    No Bern…and I’m not far away from you. What’s happening?

  212. mh

    Bobby Numbers

    Brexit was the product of a David Cameron brain fart. It was never thoroughly thought out policy.
    It was a bit like Trump’s wall, a magic bullet derived from a slogan.

    I’m liking the wall.
    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1166769660450226177?s=20

  213. feelthebern

    It’s still around.
    Maybe it’s just a joy flight or something.

  214. cohenite

    Twostix

    #3147930, posted on September 5, 2019 at 7:45 am

    A Swedish behavioral scientist has suggested that it may be necessary to turn to cannibalism and start eating humans in order to save the planet

    Like I’ve said.

    These people – largely white middle class professionals are crazy and have become apocalyptic cultists. They are deadly serious about this business and we need to stop them before they Jonestown us all once they realise the world isn’t actually going to end.

    Correct; and the resident troll is a perfect example. They don’t like people and are misanthropes; but their people hatred is an active one where their hatred is expressed in supporting active policies designed to punish and destroy other people.

    The head of ASIO is another one.

  215. Entro

    Probably hired byApple for some flyover photography.

  216. mh

    A further 3.6 billion USD for the border wall this week. 🇺🇸

  217. Ivan Denisovich

    Brendan O’Neill:

    Why Remoaners are so terrified of a General Election
    These anti-democrats fear the judgement of the people. And they’re right to fear it.

    The ridiculousness of the ‘Stop the Coup’ movement is now starkly exposed. For the past week a few thousand members of the obsessively anti-Brexit urban elites have taken to the streets to accuse Boris Johnson of behaving like a dictator by suspending parliament for a few more days than is normal. ‘It’s a coup d’état!’, they hysterically cry. And yet now our supposed dictator, the author of this foul, anti-democratic coup, is offering people a General Election, and how have the ‘Stop the Coup’ saps responded? By saying they don’t want one.

    What a momentous self-own. They have literally traipsed through the streets saying ‘Britain is a dictatorship’ and ‘Boris has stolen our democracy’. Now, Boris hasn’t only disproven this claptrap (dictators don’t usually suggest holding an election). He has also helped to expose the fact that if anyone is agitated and even disgusted by the idea of democracy right now, it isn’t the imaginary jackbooted generals of Downing Street – it’s the pseudo-democratic Remainer elite.

    All of them are running scared from the idea of a General Election. Labour has made clear that it will not be backing the call for an election, at least not until No Deal Brexit has been legally taken off the table. ‘We are not going to dance to Boris Johnson’s tune’, said Labour’s shadow Brexit secretary Keir Starmer this morning when asked if the party would back Boris’s General Election proposal in parliament later today. An election on Boris’s terms would be a ‘trap’ for Labour, he said.

    Jo Swinson, leader of the Lib Dems, is against an election too. And her justification is very revealing indeed. In the Commons she said ‘It is vital that this House acts with responsibility and does not tip our country into an election at a point when there is any risk that we will crash out of the European Union during that election campaign or immediately after.’ With added emphasis she declared: ‘We must act responsibly.’

    This implicit contrasting of the responsible nature of the Commons and the apparent recklessness and craziness of engaging the public sums up the Remainer discomfort with having a General Election. What Swinson and others are essentially saying is that the political elite, being rational and wise, must oversee the Brexit process right now. We cannot ask the pesky people for their opinions. Some of those ghastly plebs passionately support Brexit, after all, and some are even favourable towards a No Deal Brexit. To the anti-democratic Remainer elite, it is public engagement, the scourge of democracy, that got us into this mess in the first place – so the longer we can put off another vote, the better.

    These politicians loathe the idea of an election for two reasons. First, they want to try to keep Brexit, and the crushing of it, as the business of the political class alone, for as long as they can. And secondly, because they fear the judgement of the people. They fear our verdict on their behaviour, on their depraved agitations against the democratic will over the past three years. They fear what we will say about that vast bulk of them who okayed the holding of the EU referendum, promised to respect the result of the referendum, and stood in the 2017 General Election on manifestos that plainly said we would leave the EU, and yet who have backtracked on all of that and now devote their energies to stopping Brexit. They fear hearing what we really think about the lies and deceit and other authoritarian activities they have engaged in over the past couple of years.

    https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/09/04/why-remoaners-are-so-terrified-of-a-general-election/

  218. mh

    Multiple Buildings ‘Ripped Apart’ in Latest Sweden Explosion

    Several residential buildings were “ripped apart” by a powerful explosion in Malmö, Sweden, according to local media.

    The facades of multiple apartment structures were heavily damaged in the latest blast to rock the troubled city, Fria Tider reports.

    “Police were called to the area when several callers heard a loud bang,” police explained in a report. “When the patrols located the site, it was noted that something had detonated at an apartment on the ground floor.”

    Officers had reportedly investigated gunshots directed at an apartment in one of the affected buildings earlier in the day.

    Windows in the vicinity were blown out by the shock wave and nearby properties were also damaged.

    One resident was injured by glass shards during the explosion, which reportedly took place at approximately 11:00pm.

    “These are major damages, so we naturally suspect a strong detonation,” a police spokesman told Aftonbladet.

    A police spokeswoman says the buildings were evacuated and the area was cordoned off while bomb technicians searched for additional explosives.

    “National bomb protection has been working on the site, and they have secured the area,” she explained.

    Major explosions have become commonplace in Malmö, with multiple blasts sometimes occurring in a single night, as Infowars Europe has regularly reported.

    “It’s unpleasant. It is a concern that does not see any improvement in this city,” Malmö resident Per Eskilson, 61, told Swedish media after a recent slew of bombings and shootings.

    “It is like a war zone. Now we have had several shootings yesterday and two bombs last night. I’ve started to look at a new accommodation now. I will move away from this town, I will not stay.”

    https://europe.infowars.com/multiple-buildings-ripped-apart-in-latest-sweden-explosion/

  219. I happen to know several elderly women with visible tattoos on their arms. It’s not a pretty sight.

    It’s much more efficient these days.
    We can tag them with RFIDs and IP addresses.

  220. feelthebern

    Easy to say this in hindsight…
    Boris knew what he was doing.
    He was setting himself up to fail.
    The FTSE has been going in one direction since Boris announced the future proroguing of parliament.
    Everything that has happened this week was expected.
    Keep in mind when Boris became PM there were a lot of arguments here between Boris is a UK Trump (which is impossible) & others who said Boris was a creature of the establishment.
    Regardless of the posturing, you have to focus on what was delivered.
    Boris continued this BREMAIN situation.

  221. JB of Sydney/Shanghai

    For those Cats who are enquiring about aircraft flying around, Airservices has Webtrak.

    http://www.airservicesaustralia.com/aircraftnoise/webtrak/

  222. egg_

    Deplorable violent protests on India’s independence Day at London

    Protestors waving Pakistani and pro-Khalistani separatists flags arrived in large number of chartered coaches from all around the country, including Birmingham, Manchester, and Bradford. These 5000+ protestors had only one purpose – which was to interrupt, intimidate and attack the peaceful Indians marking their 73rd Independence Day.

    Wasn’t Gandhi horrified by what took place following Independence?
    A power vacuum is quickly filled.

  223. JB of Sydney/Shanghai

    Here is some more on Airservices Webtrak.

    WebTrak
    WebTrak is a tool that enables the community to see where aircraft fly and explore historical trends and patterns. WebTrak is provided by Bruel & Kjaer.

    WebTrak uses information from air traffic control secondary surveillance radars to display aircraft movements:

    within 50 kilometres of the airport
    up to 30 000 feet above mean sea level
    Aircraft noise data is also displayed, collected daily from noise monitors strategically located around communities close to the airport.

    WebTrak flight search and display
    The flight search and display function allows you to view aircraft flight activity over metropolitan areas. You can also:

    locate your street address and have your home appear on the map
    see noise levels of individual aircraft
    view information about aircraft type, height, origin and destination
    display an aircraft’s flight path and point of closest approach to your home
    zoom in and out down to street level.
    Note that there is a 40 minute delay on display of flights.

    When you enter WebTrak you will arrive on the flight search and display screen. Select Help from the menu in the top left-hand corner for instructions.

    To access a Text Only version of WebTrak, go to the Accessibility tab of the Help

  224. Bruce of Newcastle

    Multiple Buildings ‘Ripped Apart’ in Latest Sweden Explosion

    I betcha firearm licences are becoming more popular in Sweden too.

    Police say insecurity sparked by migrant sex attacks is to blame for surge in firearm licences in Germany

    German police have said that ‘insecurity’ sparked by migrant sex attacks is behind a rise in the number of people with firearms licences. A survey of Germany’s 16 states revealed that 640,000 citizens are now able to carry a weapon. This number was only 260,000 in 2014.

    Weird how that happens. It’s almost as if the Left are causing the exact opposite of what they say they want, firearmwise.

  225. Roger

    “Police were called to the area when several callers heard a loud bang,” police explained in a report. “When the patrols located the site, it was noted that something had detonated at an apartment on the ground floor.”

    What do you think, Sven…could it be a bomb?

  226. mh

    If the Bahamas doesn’t build infrastructure to withstand hurricanes then they are pretty fvcking negligent.

    US mainland hardly affected by this Cat 2 storm.

  227. Percy Popinjay

    with our Western democracy-inspired ideals, ethics and “can do” multicultural spirit

    Here’s a signal example of that mighty “spirit”.

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