C.L. : Pope Harry I

Argentinian-born communist, Pope Francis, has scolded the Western world again, saying we must abandon fossil fuels immediately and inaugurate a “circular economy”:

In his Message for the World Day of Prayer for the Care of Creation, an ecumenical celebration held on September 1, the Argentine pontiff encouraged the world to adopt “simpler lifestyles” and to abandon fossil fuels.

“Now is the time to abandon our dependence on fossil fuels and move, quickly and decisively, towards forms of clean energy and a sustainable and circular economy,” he said.

… Pope Francis suggested that humanity take advice on the environment from “indigenous peoples.”

“Let us also learn to listen to indigenous peoples, whose age-old wisdom can teach us how to live in a better relationship with the environment,” he said.

The pontiff called upon humanity “to repent” of acting like tyrants over the earth, “to be converted and to return to our roots.” He counseled humanity to say “no to consumerist greed” and to “inaugurate farsighted processes involving responsible sacrifices today for the sake of sure prospects of life tomorrow.”

Some data to ponder before taking advice from “indigenous peoples”: List of countries by life expectancy. I doubt by “indigenous peoples” Francis was referring to the Japanese or the Swiss. He means that white people should take advice from non-white people – though he doesn’t explain why. His thinking is an uncomplicated variation of the “magical negro” trope.

He also urges Catholics to make sacramental confessions of their climate ‘sins’:

… the Pope called on Catholics to go to confession for sins of not being respectful of creation. He gave as examples of an examination of conscience points such as “avoiding the use of plastic and paper,” “separating refuse” and “turning off unnecessary lights.” He called on Catholics to have an “ecological conversion.”

It can’t be long before Labor governments – inspired by Francis – pass laws requiring priests to report anybody who, say, threw a Peters ice cream container into the regular wheelie bin to the police.

After this latest intervention, the pope took a chartered 747 flight to Mozambique (where life expectancy is about 57 years).

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85 Responses to C.L. : Pope Harry I

  1. A Lurker

    He also urges Catholics to make sacramental confessions of their climate ‘sins’.

    Climate sinners can also get absolution through buying indulgences…sorry, buying carbon credits.

  2. Some History

    He also urges Catholics to make sacramental confessions of their climate ‘sins’.
    Climate sinners can also get absolution through buying indulgences…sorry, buying carbon credits.

    Wealthy climate sinners can also get absolution through buying indulgences…sorry, buying carbon credits.

  3. Dr Fred Lenin

    Will no one rid us of this pestelential Argy leftoid ,mste of general Galtieri, the victor of the Falklands .

  4. JC

    He also urges Catholics to make sacramental confessions of their climate ‘sins’.

    Jeez, I’m fucked then. No confession and lot’s of climate sins. I still haven’t mastered which bin to used the three times a year I take out the garbage.

  5. Some History

    Here is the Pontiff just having heroically wrestled a “polluting object” from a “sinner”:

    https://imgur.com/kkAN2UU

  6. Entropy

    Just what the woyld needs. An Argintinean hypocrite calling on better nations to adopt South American economics.

  7. Bruce of Newcastle

    His go to guy for climate hysteria is in the news again:

    Retired Climate Alarmist John Schellnhuber: “Not Much Time Left”…Earth “Slipping Into A Hot Age”!

    According to the German online Tagesspiegel here, retired alarmist climate researcher Prof. John Schellnhuber is open to accepting a minister position in the state government in Brandenburg.

    The former director of the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research thinks the planet “is in a sort of emergency” and so he is prepared “to advise the democratic parties concerning overcoming the climate crisis,” he said an interview with the “Potsdamer Neuesten Nachrichten”.

    I like how he is now so generous with his time that he can assist the Brandenberg government to save the world. Governments must be swooning at his feet.

    How odd that the climate data says not much is happening. Herr Docktor Schellnhuber may have to give an account before a sterner judge who can cast him into his very own eternal thermageddon.

  8. Tel

    I confess my sin … I did used to believe in the whole climate caper back when it first came out, seemed plausible, and before I got around to going through it closely. Please forgive me … I will try not to be such a twerp next time.

  9. Chris M

    we must abandon fossil fuels…. He means that white people should take advice

    No, it’s not general – not ‘we’ or ‘white people’. He’s talking to Roman Catholics. Suck it up, he’s your grand mufti and is infallible so you gotta do what he says CL. /smile

  10. Tezza

    “Forgive me father, for I have sinned. I bought a sausage at the Bunnings charity sausage sizzle on a paper plate.”

    This Pope really is a twerp. I can see where Keneally gets her Catholic insights from.

  11. Dr Fred Lenin

    The worldd is full of selfimportant tossers spouting lies about something they know nothing about ,check the figures tossers even with all the “adjustments “the beneficiaries concoct the world is NOT heating up and the seas are NOT rising ,and the North ‘poleand South Pole are NOT melting ,no matter how many lies you tell the real facts defy you .

  12. Hugh

    I’m a traditional, Latin-Mass going Catholic. At least, I thought I was a Catholic, till this Pope came along. Well I certainly don’t believe what he believes, insofar as I can discern what that is. It’s often hard to know what he’s talking about – he contradicts himself so often and couldn’t care less. Whatever … if he’s a Catholic, then I’m most certainly not. I’ve fought all my life against the pathetic brew of socialism and modernism he puts out every day, and I’m not for changin’ just because he’s in the hot seat. He’s your average sloppy opinionated parish priest who has accidentally strayed into great affairs. Though maybe it’s not so accidental – there are good indications of a crafted plot. (BTW there are some very good parish priests … I certainly don’t want lump them all in with Bergoglio.)

    I’ll stick with the canons and decrees of all the Councils pre Vatican II (and the less mushy statements of that Council, even), the Church Fathers, Aquinas, and so on, thank you very much. Not with a Pope who calls an arch-abortionist (Emma Bonino) a “national treasure” of Italy. This Pope is the worst in history by a long shot. Even the murderer popes (there were at least a couple) didn’t dare alter Church teaching on the intrinsic evil of murder. And he knows as much about global warming and economics as he does about fundamental theology, which “bores me”, he said a year or so ago.

    A Pope, bored by theology. Imagine a cardiologist saying, “Well, I find the workings of the heart really boring.” Would you book him for your next cardiac examination?

    The only consolation in all this is that he is with ever greater rapidity making a complete and utter fool of himself and the leftist clique that supports him.

  13. calli

    How can theology be boring? The Almighty is inexhaustible.

    Perhaps looking to man (and indigenous man at that) for help is a clue as to where the Pope is spiritually. He needs to be prayed for, like all our religious leaders. It’s so easy to lose focus and be distracted by foolishness.

  14. C.L.

    He’s talking to … Catholics.

    Nope. He was talking to everybody through the journalists aboard his private charter, en route to Africa. And no, his opinions on meteorology are not infallible. Finally, no – I don’t have to suck anything up.

  15. Pete of Perth

    He should team up with Rod Bower. Together, they’ll rule the universe

  16. C.L.

    UPDATE:
    He puts his foot in it yet again; Vatican spokesman scrambles to contain the damage (as usual).

    Pope Francis says ‘it’s an honor that Americans are attacking me’.

    ABOARD THE PAPAL PLANE … The pope was speaking aboard a papal flight to Mozambique, the first stop of a three-nation swing through Africa, when he was presented a new book on conservative opposition to the papacy written by a French reporter on the flight.

    “For me, it’s an honor that Americans are attacking me,” Francis told La Croix‘s Nicolas Seneze …

    As Francis handed the book to one of his aides, he joked, “this is a bomb.”

    After the pope’s comments, Vatican spokesman Matteo Bruni told journalists on the papal flight that “in an informal context the pope wanted to say that he always considers criticisms an honor, particularly when it comes from important thinkers and, in this case, of an important nation.”

  17. Robbo

    The current leader of that corrupt organisation that soaks every cent it can from the gullible morons that believe its fables, is a Jesuit so don’t expect anything sensible, fair or decent from him or his organisation. Having been a student boarder at a Jesuit school I still remember the creepy priest who was in charge of us, a group of innocent 13 year olds. He loved dragging a selected victim out of bed around midnight into his room where he would get his kicks by talking dirty. In my case I had no idea what he was chattering on about until a few years later. The sleazy shit was a paedophile but at least he didn’t try to touch me but I can’t be sure that applied to the other boys. Since that time I have had no expectations about the Jesuits and no one with any sense would think differently. With the rubbish that Francis spouts regularly why does anyone bother to listen?

  18. Dr Fred Lenin

    Suppose his plane is carbon neutral ? Or does Reg Dwight pay the carbon tax like he does for Harry Battenberg and his missus ?

  19. Truth n Justice

    How about the pope get the ball rolling by selling off the wealth of the Vatican and distributing the proceeds to the poor.

  20. calli

    The Pope buying in to the latest fad reminded me of this:

    “The use of fashions in thought is to distract men from their real dangers. We direct the fashionable outcry of each generation against those vices of which it is in the least danger, and fix its approval on the virtue that is nearest the vice which we are trying to make endemic. The game is to have them all running around with fire extinguishers whenever there’s a flood; and all crowding to that side of the boat which is already nearly gone under.”

    ― C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters

    Which begs the question.

    What is our real danger, not the confected one? And what do we do about it?

  21. Why doesn’t the Vatican donate all of its wealth to the climate cause and prove that it can walk the walk and not just talk the talk?

  22. notafan

    Oh not that nonsense again.

    Has been calculated before.

    Sell all the treasures in the Vatican museum, the Vatican gets no more tourists and no income to support itsepf and the population of say, Ethiopia get a one off 6 cents each.

    Items that cannot be used to generate wealth via some sort of manufacturing process are really worth very little.

    Which is why the Vatican values them at a euro a piece.

    Because we all know the Catholic Church does nothing for the poor the sick the lame evah!

  23. C.L.

    Lewis.
    That’s brilliantly apposite to the age, isn’t it?
    ——————————-

    This Pope is the worst in history by a long shot.

    He’s certainly the worst pope of modern history.

  24. Lee

    So the Pope would be quite happy if society returned to a pre-industrial lifestyle, with all the poverty and short life spans that would inevitably result.

    That is the sort of mind-boggling stupidity I would expect from a socialist or Green.

  25. Nob

    Some History
    #3148305, posted on September 5, 2019 at 6:42 pm
    He also urges Catholics to make sacramental confessions of their climate ‘sins’.
    Climate sinners can also get absolution through buying indulgences…sorry, buying carbon credits.

    Wealthy climate sinners can also get absolution through buying indulgences…sorry, buying carbon credits

    It’s the devil’s own job trying to get detailed information on where exactly these billions go and to who. You’ll get vague answers like, “planting trees” or “renewables”.

  26. JC

    And you’re this site’s Bin Ladin, numbers nuts. Fuck off.

  27. Some History

    Seems the global movers and shakers are preparing the peeps for poverty… austerity.

  28. Some History

    With this Pope, anything’s possible. He could come out with, “the Catholic Church already has its first woman Pope. I’m a trans-sexual… Francesca”. 🙂

  29. Leo G

    The pontiff called upon humanity “to repent” of acting like tyrants over the earth, “to be converted and to return to our roots.

    Eschew religions such as Catholicism for Pagan theology?

  30. Russell

    Anyone else who said (even jokingly) “…it’s a bomb” on board an aircraft would be thrown in jail.
    Has this “reputable” holy man now given other Pax the right to say such things (jokingly) in future?
    Methinks he knew about the sensitivity of such words and just wanted to thumb his nose at airline authority.
    Maybe he thinks he speaks for the little people of the world? Surely, God can’t be that naive.

  31. Dr Fred Lenin

    This pope is a real doozy but hes not alone amongst popes of the past wee as bad , he wants us to return to the Dark Ages when the church ruled Europe ,but he would have to get rid of the comissars in Brussels to do that ,and they are going nowhere.

  32. Chris M

    This Pope is the worst in history by a long shot.

    Haha not even close. He’s a dope but hasn’t burnt any Christians alive yet for example. I wonder if we’ll get to see two Popes ruling at the same time again?

  33. Mark A

    Let us also learn to listen to indigenous peoples, whose age-old wisdom can teach us how to live in a better relationship with the environment,”

    Indigenous people live the way they do because they have no other choice.
    Given a choice I bet not one in a thousand would opt for the bare living conditions and remain in that state.

  34. classical_hero

    Right after he went on a flight. Indulgences for thee while I ‘sin’ as much as I want. It sounds like we’re back in the 1500’s.

  35. Rebel with cause

    Probably not at Cadaver Synod level quite yet but Climate Change is starting to get awful stinky.

  36. Radman

    FFS, can the give him a dose of the same stuff they gave to John Paul 1 and rid us of this buffoon?

  37. Crossie

    sustainable and circular economy

    I’ll believe he means it when he moves the Popemobile by pedal power.

  38. Crossie

    The pontiff called upon humanity “to repent” of acting like tyrants over the earth,

    In Genesis it says that God gave Man dominion over all plants and animals of the earth and by extension everything in the earth. And yet the pope forgets this, so much for his theology.

  39. Crossie

    classical_hero
    #3148438, posted on September 5, 2019 at 9:26 pm
    Right after he went on a flight. Indulgences for thee while I ‘sin’ as much as I want. It sounds like we’re back in the 1500’s.

    Theologically we are there and now they are working on the Middle Ages technology.

  40. Kneel

    Dr Fred Lenin
    #3148344, posted on September 5, 2019 at 7:40 pm

    Suppose his plane is carbon neutral ?

    Bullet proof polyCARBONate on the pope-mobile? Sinner!

  41. Dr Fred Lenin

    Rebels are renovating the palace at Avignon in preperation for the second pope ,the extreme right wing one who will bless Trump ,Brexit and Frexit and bless Salvini . On y dance Sur le Pont d’ Avignon .

  42. Crossie

    Dr Fred Lenin
    #3148459, posted on September 5, 2019 at 10:03 pm
    Rebels are renovating the palace at Avignon in preperation for the second pope ,the extreme right wing one who will bless Trump ,Brexit and Frexit and bless Salvini . On y dance Sur le Pont d’ Avignon .

    Pope Benedict will first have to be rescued and then moved to Avignon.

  43. Neville

    If his greatly leftist holiness had read Mises’ “human Action”, he’d be aware that a ‘circular economy’ is, essentially, a dead, non-functioning one.
    Bright lad, that. Not.

  44. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    The Pope might just be ignorant, not evil.

  45. Leo G

    “Now is the time to abandon our dependence on fossil fuels and move, quickly and decisively, towards forms of clean energy and a sustainable and circular economy,” he said.

    Francis is claiming that a “closed system circular economy” is now attainable with no reduction in quality of life for consumers, no necessary extra cost to manufacturers, no revenue loss, and no reduction in products and services.
    At the same time he says this will require responsible sacrifices, such as the abandonment of the benefits of capitalism, of plastics, and paper products, of fossil fuels and their derivatives, public lighting, concrete and refined metals, glass products and much else.
    A return to our hunter-gatherer pre-civilisation roots, an end to the cyclical delusions of modernity. Franciscan Nirvana.
    Is he an imbecile?

  46. C.L.

    I wouldn’t say he’s an imbecile – though he isn’t very bright.
    He is an angry thug intent on destruction.

  47. Zatara

    Tell ya what Frankie, how about we shut off all electricity, gas, telephone, internet, television, water and sewerage service to the Vatican.

    You can come back a month from now and tell us all about the simple lifestyle.

    Hypocrisy can be the topic of your next lecture to the world.

  48. Mark A

    Zatara
    #3148527, posted on September 6, 2019 at 3:06 am

    Tell ya what Frankie, how about we shut off all electricity, gas, telephone, internet, television, water and sewerage service to the Vatican.

    You can come back a month from now and tell us all about the simple lifestyle.

    I’m sure they are well prepared, but over 6 days and no sign of reprieve, you can bet your house that Frankie would bolt to a safe place, provided he’d stay that long.

    His kind has a nose for the time to split.

    Not that it will ever happen, too many gullible believers who stubbornly believe that the church is bigger than one man and save hi and his cohort.

    Sure bigger than one man, but over the centuries the very foundations are being slowly eroded.
    For every decent pope we get two or three who have a different agenda.
    Slowly does it, Fabians think in terms of centuries, there is no rush.

    And it works.

  49. Herodotus

    A circular economy?
    That’s one which is about to go down the plug hole.

  50. egg_

    Their neo-Pagan Pope?
    Beyond parody.
    Their parallel clown universe is upon us, comrades.

  51. PB

    This Pope is the biggest phony since the Polish conman replaced the last (short term) real Pope from 1978.

  52. Enyaw

    I once was a Catholic …now just believe in Christ ..not utter papal bullshit …Frank is the silliest one ..so far ..

  53. Percy Popinjay

    What an evil sanctimonious hypocritical arsehole. Quite possibly the worst advertisement for the church in my lifetime, especially when you look at the calibre of his two predecessors.

  54. AlanR

    What I said on a previous post some time ago deserves repeating here.

    A white Australian commented that he had learned more about real land management working with the indigenous people of Uluru in 6 months than he learned in 3 years at University.

    As Carl Sagan has said – the aragance of the west thinking they have absolutely nothing to learn from anyone else at all.

    And it’s as if we’re doing such a splendid job of it, what with all that record deforestation, extinction of species, air pollution in major cities etc etc. We can certainly sit back all smug and secure in the knowledge that our kids are inheriting paradise.

  55. Roger

    Hugh
    #3148328, posted on September 5, 2019 at 7:14 pm
    I’m a traditional, Latin-Mass going Catholic. At least, I thought I was a Catholic, till this Pope came along.

    Sede vacante?

  56. C.L.

    Aborigines caused more deforestation and animal extinctions than perhaps any other indigenous people in the entire world.

  57. egg_

    A white Australian commented that he had learned more about real land management working with the indigenous people of Uluru in 6 months than he learned in 3 years at University.

    Which was?

  58. Mother Lode

    So…when the Pope speaks of a circular economy, is he (like all socialists) imagining an ideal steady-state flow that somehow magically suits everyone?

    He is an Argie, so there is no telling the depths of economic illiteracy and ignorance to which he might plumb.

  59. cuckoo

    I would much prefer a Pope who was fathering bastards, like the Borgias, than one who sounds like the most banal doctor’s-wife every time he opens his mouth. “Indigenous wisdom” FFS.

  60. Mother Lode

    A white Australian commented that he had learned more about real land management working with the indigenous people of Uluru in 6 months than he learned in 3 years at University.

    Uluru is in the desert with rare but wide ranging deluges. There is no significant development which has interfered with the land around there. What land management is there?

    If he learned more from them then our unis are clearly overfunded.

  61. Mother Lode

    How ever did the Cardinals vote for this pompous ignorant man.

    Did they decide to pose God a challenge to test his omniscience and omnipotence?

  62. Ivan Denisovich

    “For me, it’s an honor that Americans are attacking me,” Francis told La Croix‘s Nicolas Seneze …

    The damage PF has done:

    To that, I say the following: Dear Francis, we could never attack you as you have attacked the faith. It is impossible for every traditionalist in America — or the whole world — all working together, to cause as much damage as you have. We criticize you because you wound the Church, we pray for your conversion and fidelity, and yet you mock our concern by calling it an attack which you are honored to bear.

    You have no shame.

    RTWT and decide for yourself if Skojec is too pessimistic.

    https://onepeterfive.com/an-ecclesiastical-pompeii/

  63. Minderbinder of Qld

    Re AlanR, What I said on a previous post some time ago deserves repeating here.

    Oh No it does not, repetition of a statement is not the proof of any validity in an idea!
    Your comment is the usual crap that people with an inadequate grasp of detailed knowledge always use as their excuse for promoting primitive ideas as being superior to scientific studies. One also notes the usual denigration of an educated “white Australian” as being inferior to the noble primitive. Also the use of the circus showman “spaceship of the mind” Sagan as some kind of absolute authority is pathetic. If the Western Society knowledge, history, and culture is so disgusting to you then you do not have to use the stupid benefits it has developed over thousands of years . You can easily bugger off to the Amazon, the Stony desert, the Kimberleys, indeed thousands of places where primitive culture will have you living in luxury, idiot.

  64. notafan

    Hugh

    hope not despair

    Pope Francis is not popeforever

  65. Rex Mango

    Just think, if the papal conclave had a different result in 2013, the current Pope could be a climate change denier cooling his heels in a Victorian gaol.

  66. stackja

    The Gospel said ‘You are Peter. Upon the rock I will build my church’.
    I expect the something to happen.

  67. Tim Neilson

    We direct the fashionable outcry of each generation against those vices of which it is in the least danger

    CS Lewis right on the money as usual, Calli.

    Think “racist” Australia as one obvious example.

  68. Kurt

    He means that white people should take advice from non-white people

    This is just the Left’s new Noble Savage. We all thought we got passed that decades ago. The Left is so stuck in the past but we let them accuse us of it.

  69. Kurt

    Oh, second paragraph above shouldn’t have been part of the quote block!

  70. Terry

    AlanR
    #3148657, posted on September 6, 2019 at 9:28 am

    “What I said on a previous post some time ago deserves repeating here.”

    Perhaps others might be better placed to judge that assertion.

    “A white Australian commented that he had learned more about real land management working with the indigenous people of Uluru in 6 months than he learned in 3 years at University.”

    I am unsure how the “commenting Australian’s” colour is relevant.

    Regardless, since Aborigines did little, if any “real land management” at all (they were Stoneage nomads, not farmers), this says far more about what “commenting Australian” learned in their “3 years at University”

    ‘Not Much’ seems to be the implication.

    Whether that’s the failure to deliver adequate knowledge on the part of the University or the unsuitability of the “commenting Australian” for that course is not clear. It’s probably a combination of both.

    What is clear (if “commenting Australian’s assertion is correct) is that the entire process was a waste of time and money.

  71. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    As Carl Sagan has said – the aragance of the west thinking they have absolutely nothing to learn from anyone else at all.

    Learn to spell first and then don’t get back to us.

    Have fun living at Ayers Rock in a cave.

  72. AlanR

    It’s Uluru Lizzie. Get your geographic right if you want to be taken seriously girl.

  73. Some History

    It’s Uluru Lizzie.

    Never before heard Ayers Rock referred to as “Uluru Lizzie”.

  74. Empire 5:5

    “For me, it’s an honor that Americans are attacking me,” Francis told La Croix‘s Nicolas Seneze …

    As Francis handed the book to one of his aides, he joked, “this is a bomb.”

    After the pope’s comments, Vatican spokesman Matteo Bruni told journalists on the papal flight that “in an informal context the pope wanted to say that he always considers criticisms an honor, particularly when it comes from important thinkers and, in this case, of an important nation.”

    He’s bluffing and his sphincter is tightening. He’s got big problems.

    http://akns-images.eonline.com/eol_images/Entire_Site/2017424/rs_1024x759-170524063624-1024-ivankatrump-Pope-MK052417.jpg

  75. Iampeter

    Gotta love how conservatives just don’t get what’s right in front of them.
    Environmentalism, like all of today’s leftist movements, is just a modern re-branding of Christian teaching.
    Asking you to repent for your sins, is exactly the same as asking you to repent for “climate” sins.
    The Pope is just being a good Christian.
    Altruism is altruism.

    Until you’re ready to oppose Christianity and religion in general, you’re not going to be able to oppose environmentalism. Or socialism, or fascism, or any other leftist ideology.

    It’s just another irrational religious sect that you’ve already agreed with in principle and you’re left arguing over non-essential technicalities.

  76. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    C.L.
    #3148663, posted on September 6, 2019 at 9:42 am

    Aborigines caused more deforestation and animal extinctions than perhaps any other indigenous people in the entire world.

    LOL

    Sad but true.

  77. Some History

    Until you’re ready to oppose Christianity and religion in general, you’re not going to be able to oppose environmentalism. Or socialism, or fascism, or any other leftist ideology.

    Lamepeter, is this what you’re learning from that 3-week online course with the College of Hairdressing, Poultry Farming, and Religious Frameworks? In terms of asininity, you’re already producing some “gems”… pure-grade crap.

  78. calli

    Nature worship is a form of idolatry.

  79. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Some History – Peter’s sub cockle mind is being rip started by some fecal pearls.

  80. Some History

    Head of the College of Hairdressing, Poultry Farming, and Religious Frameworks.

    https://imgur.com/ZBVyoZh

  81. Leo G

    Asking you to repent for your sins, is exactly the same as asking you to repent for “climate” sins.

    Only, perhaps, to the extent that the source of climate law is beyond human comprehension.

  82. Rayvic

    Pope Francis should stick to what he knows best — that does not include being a misinformed politician.

  83. Hugh

    “Until you’re ready to oppose Christianity and religion in general, you’re not going to be able to oppose environmentalism. Or socialism …”

    I believe that the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity united Himself with human nature. Therefore I must believe that all means of production, distribution and exchange should be run by the state.

    I’m a bit thick. Can IamP point out the middle premise?

  84. John Stankevicius

    Well f *#k me. He’s gonna covert to being an Anglican like Rudd, Shorten, Wong. Probably write articles for “the big issue”

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