Open Forum: September 7, 2019

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  1. Knuckle Dragger

    Oh ok. I see what’s happening here.

    The doctor just told Kramer to wear boxers. Jerry’s dating Donna Chang but she’s a whitey.

  2. Delcon

    Anne Ally: “What’s the Coalition’s plan B?”
    What’s *your* Plan B in case your stupid Marxism fails, have you Commies ever thought about it before plunging hundreds of millions into poverty and starvation?

  3. zyconoclast

    African swine fever: China opens emergency pork before holiday pig-out

    Beijing: Regulators have moved to release thousands of tons of China’s emergency pork reserves as an outbreak of African swine fever fuels fears of a shortage in the pork-hungry nation.

    China’s hog herds made up half the global pig population until the outbreak, which has hit 32 provinces in the past 12 months. With a third of China’s pigs culled, pork prices are soaring.

    The problem is compounded by the looming major public holiday season of Mid-Autumn Festival and National Day, where families expect to gather and eat meat. Eating pork is so central to Chinese culture that the 3000 year old Chinese character for “home” was drawn as a pig under a roof.

  4. Overburdened

    When this happens we can blame it on the NDIS.

    Of course when the revolution comes, the least useful in the fields will be the first to go.

  5. egg_

    Milton speaks of exploitative landlords whilst the Director cuts to an Injun listening intently in the audience.

  6. Rex Mango

    Putting power back in the hands of renters as per the Greens policy can be found in remote communities across the interior.

  7. Rex Mango

    Ah finally, the Tamil family, can wake up now.

  8. mh

    BoJo is ‘Crash or Crash Through’ when it comes to Brexit.

    I respect that.

  9. egg_

    Must be some cheap flats going in Mascot and Sydney Olympic Park.

  10. Rex Mango

    Please someone ask what were their legal fees and who paid?

  11. Delcon

    Frannie: “the region is crying out for this particular family”.
    Gosh.
    BTW, Question Count is on 26.

  12. egg_

    The work experience kid have set the audio levels on tonight’s Q&A.

  13. egg_

    Their Activist Fran is a great drama queen.

  14. Rex Mango

    Frankly is in favour of regional town bingo. Ie attractive well endowed English girl working in bar in Kalgoorlie gets citizenship.

  15. mh

    Sinclair, please quarantine the ABC watchers.

  16. Beertruk

    The Leftards that cheered the legal system that put George Pell in jail are now saying that the same legal system that found the Tamil family had no right to stay in Australia is now broken?

  17. Rex Mango

    What a surprise, Big Jordan is a Pom and he’s in favour of Big Government.

  18. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Ie attractive well endowed English girl working in bar in Kalgoorlie gets citizenship.

    Which pub is she working in, in Kalgoorlie? Asking for Pedro.

  19. egg_

    Milton bullsh1ts about Brexit.
    How democratic.
    Zed gives it to him right between the eyes.

  20. Rex Mango

    Anne A reckons voters are too dumb, so need a second one, that is so stupid.

  21. MatrixTransform

    The Leftards that cheered the legal system that put George Pell in jail are now saying that the same legal system that found the Tamil family had no right to stay in Australia is now broken?

    If anybody can find the same product at a lower price with a competitor, they’ll beat it by 10%

  22. Rex Mango

    Smartest member of the audience was that Golden Retriever.

  23. egg_

    Eva Cox on next week.
    Has she been on with Brian, or is that too many Cox for Franny to handle?

  24. MatrixTransform

    Brain Cox … the thinking woman’s crumpet

  25. Knuckle Dragger

    Australia v India ODI on Fox Criggit. Historical.

    Boon. Jones. Flogger has the gloves.

  26. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Anne Aly was a professor, lecturer and academic specializing in counter-terrorism – to the best of my knowledge and belief, she has never served a day in any police or Army counter terrorist units, but she’s read a lot of books on the matter….

  27. Beertruk

    Sinclair, please quarantine the ABC watchers.

    Mr Doomlord forgot to lock the door and we wandered out of the lockup.

  28. Knuckle Dragger

    Red Ink Steve, wielding the Symonds Tusker chops on for 1.

    Suck shit.

  29. Delcon

    specializing in counter-terrorism

    – More like sponging the gullible government for those useless “de-radicalisation” unicorns programs.

  30. Dave in Marybrook

    Professor of Eng Lit, Zulu. Deconstructs narratives of extremism, particularly bangs on about white supremacy.
    I decline to use honorifics in Australian civil life. Even Uni docs and profs got nothing from me if they weren’t in mortarboard and cape… all these poseurs want to dress in t-shirts and chum it up on social media, they can be plain old Aly M.P. at the most.
    The Honourable Governor-General General Sir Peter Cosgrove was the nadir.

  31. egg_

    Anne Aly was a professor, lecturer and academic specializing in counter-terrorism

    Her PC’s prolly full of spybots.

  32. zyconoclast

    Possibly NSFW

    Search for: Mexican gang pitbull

  33. max

    The NDIS would rate as the most ill conceived and under prepared piece of policy in Australian history if not for the NBN and Snowy 2.0.

    The NBN has cost $51 b up to now and given us lower internet speeds than we had before.

    This while the health system is no longer fit for purpose.

  34. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    – More like sponging the gullible government for those useless “de-radicalisation” unicorns programs.

    From memory, yes, she was beating the big drum about the need for “de- radicalization programmes.” The best “de -radicalization progamme” is a one way ticket, back to what ever Third World shithole you came from, with as many of your family, relatives and friends as can be stuffed in the hold of a cargo ship, going the same way.

  35. Knuckle Dragger

    Trolling on FB atm, where a bunch of deadshits want to pool their coin so they can buy some scrub, thus saving it from the evil farmers.

    Just told one that I already had some forest, and if he sent his cash to me he could sponsor a bit of it, and I’d send him a photo of a bush every two years with a progress report.

    Fish in a barrel.

  36. zyconoclast

    Anne Aly was a professor, lecturer and academic specializing in counter-terrorism

    Her PC’s prolly full of spybots.

    And she some how escaped the Section 44 of the constitution citizenship clause.

  37. egg_

    Nationalisation, good and hard.
    Look at what Leftoid policy has done to the National Energy grid.

  38. egg_

    And she some how escaped the Section 44 of the constitution citizenship clause.

    Untouchable?

  39. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Untouchable?

    I think there was a computer print out that claimed that the most junior officer at the Egyptian Embassy was told by one of the other staff that he believed Dr. Aly may have renounced her Egyptian citizenship?

  40. Knuckle Dragger

    My God, Bruce Reid was a tall scrawny thing.

  41. Beertruk

    Trolling on FB atm, where a bunch of deadshits want to pool their coin so they can buy some scrub, thus saving it from the evil farmers.

    My BiL and me sister have their property for sale at 8m. 6k of river frontage and a winery. River is a series of waterholes due to the drought at the moment, but still got some nice Murray Cod in them, but not sure for how much longer. If the deadshits can stump up the cash, he will sell.

  42. Rex Mango

    Think Anne Aly’s ahem, expertise in anti-terrorism can be explained by the book she swore on when entering parliament.

  43. zyconoclast

    Citizenship sage: Anne Aly curiosities remain, Christian Porter says

    The Australian reported on Saturday that Labor MPs Emma McBride and Emma Husar had sought to renounce their dual citizenship, but failed to provide evidence that their requests were ever acted upon.
    Mr Porter told Sky News that failing to abide by the parliamentary register was a breach of parliamentary privilege.
    “The parliamentary register … requires that you show the finality, the end, the completion of the renunciation process,” he told Sky News.
    “Let’s forget the constitution for a moment. This is a registry required by the parliament which the Labor Party pushed for. And there are members of the Labor Party who just haven’t abided yet by the registry.”

    Mr Porter said the government was prepared to accept a letter from the Egyptian Embassy stating Dr Aly’s Egyptian citizenship had been renounced as “an authoritative statement about citizenship”.
    However, he said there remained some unanswered questions over the undated letter.
    “There are some curiosities about this. It appears Anne Aly’s citizenship was able to be renounced by a Council of Ministers in Egypt inside 48 hours. That would be one of the more efficient bureaucracies on earth,” he told Perth radio 6PR.
    “This is an unsigned letter that appears to come from the Egyptian Embassy that says Anne Aly affected, so finalised, the renunciation of her citizenship.”

    The Australian revealed today that Dr Aly accepted more than $3000 in flights — ­including a trip to Cairo in July — from the Egyptian ­embassy, which last week issued the statement clearing her of being a foreign citizen.
    Legal experts questioned whether the letter confirmed Dr Aly had satisfied key tests in Egyptian nationality law, specifically article 10, article 16 and article 22.
    Constitutional law expert ­George Williams told The Australian there were a “number of MPs” who had come forward with “unverified statements as to whether they have renounced or hold citizenship under foreign law”.
    He warned that documents from foreign embassies produced by MPs could not be taken as proof that dual citizenship had been relinquished according to the legal mechanisms of a foreign country, following the High Court’s strict interpretation of section 44 of the Constitution.

  44. Knuckle Dragger

    Spud’s on the front page of just about every paper in the country tomorrow.

    We went to the same school (not together though), and they’re apparently thinking of naming one of the three ovals after him.

  45. Dave in Marybrook

    Another interesting contrast is those that would highlight Boris Johnson’s apparent charlatanry by typing out Alexander Boris de Pfeffermethol St John Johnson…
    With Azza Mahmoud Fawzi Hosseini Ali el Serongi.
    Both chose a name for expediency- one had his at hand, so to speak, and the other kinda sorta just made hers up. I think a booth pamphleteer was fingered as racist for pointing this out at the March election. But isn’t she meant to be proud of her heritage?

  46. C.L.

    Morrison (or, rather, the office of Prime Minister) has a serious new jet – dubbed “Shark One” – but he won’t impress aircraft aficionado and branding pro Trump with that lousy livery. FMD, paint the bloody thing … and no kangaroos.

  47. C.L.

    Disney’s movie is bizarre. Young German boy’s imaginary friend is Adolph Hitler.

    Just why?

  48. Mark A

    Why else are some peeps doing it then?

  49. Mark A

    Shark One.
    I think it will be painted, that looks like bare aluminium.

  50. 2dogs

    Citizenship sage: Anne Aly curiosities remain, Christian Porter says

    Also note, Anthony Albanese’s entry on this register falsely states that he does not know his father. Here is a picture of him with his father Carlo Albanese on the right.

  51. Leigh Lowe

    John Constantine, I think, raised the comparison between Steve Waugh – red ink, bat with the tail specialist – and Steve Smiff.
    Interesting to look at the state of play in this series when Smiff came to the crease, and what happened subsequently.
    First Test, First Innings – In at 2/17. Last out for 142, with total of 284.
    First Test, Second Innings – In at 2/27. Out for 144 when score 6/331. Aussies make 7/487 declared and win.

    Second Test, First Innings – In at 2/60, and it was 3/60 straight away. Got sconed by Archer but top-scored with 92 out of 250.

    Second Test, Second Innings – did not bat due concussion.
    Match drawn.

    Third Test. Did not play. Match lost.

    Fourth Test, First Innings – In at 2/28. Scored 211 out of 8/497 declared.

    Fourth Test, Second Innings – In at 2/16. Deteriorated to 4/44 and looked like a collapse. Made 82 out of 186.
    Match won.
    .
    Given the shit the Aussies were in (only once had more than 30 on the board when Smiff came in), that is a class performance.
    One of the best of all time.

  52. Mark A

    Crossbow?
    That’s not a crossbow, this is a crossbow.

  53. 1735099

    Anne Aly was a professor, lecturer and academic specializing in counter-terrorism – to the best of my knowledge and belief, she has never served a day in any police or Army counter terrorist units, but she’s read a lot of books on the matter….

    Sounds a bit like ZK2A…

  54. In the early years, when GWS was routinely thrashed and its young players bashed, it was Toby Greene who stood out as a star and bashed back. The time he smacked Rance is celebrated. No surprise that he led the payback violence on Bonttempelli. We (GWS fans) admire him, and the rest of you can get fycked.

  55. Mater

    As usual, Catallaxians are way out of step.

    Yes, Bob. Apologies. 🙁
    We know how much you, and your ilk, like lockstep.

  56. Cassie of Sydney

    As usual, the Toowoomba turd is way out of step…


    Most back kicking out asylum-seekers who aren’t refugees

    “Most Australians believe that asylum-seekers deemed not to be genuine refugees should be deported regardless of other considerations.

    A Newspoll survey conducted last week showed 64 per cent of voters believe asylum-seekers who are considered by the courts to not be refugees should be deported, with 24 per cent saying they should be allowed to settle in Australia.

    Following publicity last week surrounding the case of a Sri Lankan Tamil family facing deportation, the Newspoll survey showed 56 per cent of Labor voters supported deportation of asylum-seekers found to not be refugees, with 31 per cent saying they should be allowed to stay in Australia.

    Most Australians believe that asylum-seekers deemed not to be genuine refugees should be deported regardless of other considerations.

    A Newspoll survey conducted last week showed 64 per cent of voters believe asylum-seekers who are considered by the courts to not be refugees should be deported, with 24 per cent saying they should be allowed to settle in Australia.

    Following publicity last week surrounding the case of a Sri Lankan Tamil family facing deportation, the Newspoll survey showed 56 per cent of Labor voters supported deportation of asylum-seekers found to not be refugees, with 31 per cent saying they should be allowed to stay in Australia.

    The poll, based on 1000 interviews with voters across the nation from September 5-7, reveals stronger support for deportation in the 35-years-plus age groups, with more men than women agreeing asylum-seekers ineligible for refugee status should not be allowed to stay.

    Opposition Leader Anthony Albanese last week led a push to allow Nadesalingam “Nades” Murugappan and Kokilapathmapriya “Priya” Nadarasa to stay in the country.

    The couple, who settled in Biloela on bridging visas and whose daughters, Kopika and Tharunicaa, were born in Australia, arrived from Sri Lanka on boats in 2012 and 2013. The High Court dismissed their bids for appeal after being deemed to not be refugees. Their eldest daughter, Kopika, was also considered to not be a refugee. The family, who lived in the central Queensland town for more than three years, have been moved to Christmas Island awaiting the outcome of a legal case for Tharunicaa. The final legal bid will return to the Federal Court on September 18. That case is centred on whether the youngest daughter is eligible for protection.

    According to Newspoll, there is a split in the sentiment of younger Australians aged 18-34, with 50 per cent agreeing that asylum-seekers deemed to not be refugees should be deported, and 40 per cent declaring they should remain in the country. Overall, 12 per cent of voters remain uncommitted on the issue of how the government should respond to asylum-seekers who are regarded as non-refugees by the courts.

    Among Coalition voters, 73 per cent supported deportation and 16 per cent opposed it. Moderate Liberal MP Russell Broadbent said on Monday the Tamil family shouldn’t be treated differently to other similar asylum-seeker cases and urged against intervention.

    On Sunday, Labor frontbencher Tony Burke, a former immigration minister, said he had “exercised ministerial discretion”. “You don’t only exercise ministerial discretion for issues of compassion, you also exercise ministerial discretion for issues of national interest,” he said.

    Labor came under fire last week over its intervention in the case, with the government accusing it of opening the door to other failed asylum cases.”

  57. notafan

    Don’t forget Nades had two failed attempts for refugee status under Labor.

    First by a delegate of the immigration Minister.

    Was it Tony Burke in 2012?

    and then by the RRT.

  58. notafan

    Yes, Tony certainly had an opportunity to exercise his ministerial discretion for this couple in 2013 but did not do so.

  59. Twostix

    Buried waaay down in the last paragraphs of that ABC propoganda push…

    But although most respondents believed that climate change was happening, just 61 per cent said they thought humans were the cause.

    A stacked survey and they could only get 61% to agree. Ahahaha.

    “The more educated you are, and interestingly the fewer children you have, the more concerned you are about climate change.”

    Interesting indeed!

    (Barren bugmen classes create a new doomsday cult to justify their failure to be able to sustain life )

  60. And the small crowds at the Sydney showgrounds make attending there enjoyable. Easy to get in and out, some good and reasonably priced food outlets, short lines for the coffee and beer, room to stroll around at breaks in play, plenty of standing room to move position when one likes, and few ferals from opposing teams. So whinging about the crowds is music to my ears. And the rest of you can get fucked.

  61. Twostix

    Be the ABC.

    Get a given a propoganda survey for your religion that shows just 60% of people – at absolute best – are sympathetic with your cult lunacy.

    Write 1000 words claiming 85% of people belong to your cult.

  62. Bruce of Newcastle

    As usual, Catallaxians are way out of step.

    Science doesn’t work that way Numbers. When Barry Marshall did his experiment almost everyone believed ulcers were due to stress. Overnight a whole industry of nostrums vanished when Dr Marshall showed the cause to be a h. pylori infection. For which he won a Nobel.

    Many other such cases exist in science, including continental drift and relativity. The current climate change fad is not supported by the data, so it will crash and burn the same way that the stomach nostrum industry did.

  63. Knuckle Dragger

    Toby Greene is an insipid flog who nevertheless possesses some athletic ability. His ability to read the play is zero, which he compensates for by cardiovascular endurance.

    And you don’t lead ‘payback violence’ from five years ago. Do it there and then like a man, as hanging onto a grudge for years before finding a way to snipe as revenge is a characteristic of the fairer sex.

    And if he’d tried his studs up marking technique in any other era the Damian Monkhorsts of this world would kinetically remove his teeth for him.

    And admittedly, Monkey could do with a few more.

  64. Knuckle Dragger

    LL,

    Excellent comparison on the Smith/Wooaaarrr front last night.

  65. Eyrie

    For a bloke like Morro, Shark One should be renamed Pussy One.
    It isn’t bare metal that is the same grey paint used on most military aircraft nowadays.
    The aircraft is dual use and can be used to transport military personnel and appears to be a tanker as well.

  66. Leigh Lowe

    Many other such cases exist in science, including continental drift and relativity.

    And, in his day, more than 96% of his peers disagreed with Galileo on various issues only for the subsequent inequivocal proof to find in favour of the minority of one.

  67. Farmer Gez

    More hay will be cut in Northern Vic and Southern NSW with temperatures at zero this morning while crops are out in head.

    For once, we are in a blessed area for rain.

    There’s a decision to be made though and quickly. Do we cut the cereal crops and take the big tonnage or let them go to grain and hope the prices firm as the drought cuts supply?

    Wheat hay should sell for $200 a tonne at farm and grain is currently about $320. We should get 5 tonne per hectare in yield for grain and could cut 10 tonne for hay. A lift of $30 in grain prices would give grain the edge as hay making costs are high.

    Our aged merino ewes topped out at $170 per head yesterday at Bendigo. That certainly helps compensate for the drop in value of the wool we got from them.

    The poor buggers in drought areas would love to have my problems this year.

  68. Knuckle Dragger

    And having small crowds at your home ground, whilst packed, is a bit like saying how awesome it is that your hipster club in Aberfeldie is hugely popular despite having a capacity of 20.

  69. Mark A

    Eyrie
    #3151768, posted on September 10, 2019 at 7:01 am

    For a bloke like Morro, Shark One should be renamed Pussy One.
    It isn’t bare metal that is the same grey paint used on most military aircraft nowadays.

    Yes I realised that after I had an other look, but didn’t bother to correct.
    Also as there were no insignia visible I assumed they’d come later after the paint job

  70. Eyrie

    Mark A, the kangaroo roundels are in a slightly darker shade of grey on our aircraft, like the US Military.

  71. Leigh Lowe

    Knuckle Dragger

    #3151767, posted on September 10, 2019 at 7:01 am

    LL,

    Excellent comparison on the Smith/Wooaaarrr front last night.

    I don’t think Waugh ever batted above six.
    I would love to see a stat on the percentage of his career runs made in second innings vs first.
    That is, “bravely saving the game with the tail” against an exhausted bowling attack after making a scratchy 15 – 25 in the first dig.

  72. Knuckle Dragger

    Oh good. Plane guys are up.

    Someone was telling me yesterday that the B29 Stratofortresses(?) weren’t painted at all except for insignia, and the reason was that the sunlight was said to reflect the sun and thus put off the Jappo fighters.

    My initial solution to this statement was to call bullshit, but I didn’t have anything to back it with. I could Google some sort of answer, but seeing as those who might know are here – any ideas?

  73. Leigh Lowe

    Polished aluminum planes are the coolest thing ever.

  74. Leigh Lowe

    Polished aluminum planes are the coolest thing ever.

    With the possible exception of a plane painted dark grey with no insignia or markings parked at the far corner of an airfield.
    Like the one I am looking at now.

  75. Mark A

    Knuckle Dragger
    #3151780, posted on September 10, 2019 at 7:17 am
    weren’t painted at all

    Your BS detector works fine. I have no proof but my instinct tells me that it was simply an economic issue.
    They were shot out of the sky on a regular bases Why paint something with a useful life expectancy of a few months tops? (that is on average of course some survived the war)

  76. Zatara

    Someone was telling me yesterday that the B29 Stratofortresses(?) weren’t painted at all except for insignia, and the reason was that the sunlight was said to reflect the sun and thus put off the Jappo fighters.

    I would suggest that all that paint would be heavy, expensive, and unnecessary due the form strategic bombardment had taken by that time.

    Why haul 700 pounds of paint back and forth to Tokyo when that could have been 700 pounds of ordnance deposited there instead?

    The only place camouflage was going to protect those planes was on the ground at their bases, yet the bases were thousands of miles beyond the range of Jap attack aircraft by that time.

  77. Eyrie

    Radar obviated some of the need for visual camo. As Zatara points out it is also heavy and the aircraft were designed for a short life where corrosion wouldn’t likely be a problem. The USN tried bare metal back in the 50’s very briefly but the corrosion on carriers even on those aircraft with high usual attrition rates was so bad they quickly painted them again.
    Early B29’s were camo.
    Actually bare aluminium after a little weathering oxidation goes dull and grey and isn’t that easy to see. See most Blanik sailplanes in Australia compared to white ones.

  78. calli

    Polished aluminum planes are the coolest thing ever.

    With the possible exception of a plane painted dark grey with no insignia or markings parked at the far corner of an airfield.

    Air Sinai

  79. calli

    Where’s the new fred? And no QandA.

    Doomie, RUOK?

  80. Empire 5:5

    Polished aluminum planes are the coolest thing ever.

    To look at? Sure.
    Have you ever had to polish one?

  81. feelthebern

    Rowe makes no sense today.
    How is Setka a ScoMo problem?

  82. Knuckle Dragger

    Eyrie,

    Makes sense. Appreciated.

  83. stackja

    Abel Hoadley (1844-1918), manufacturer, was born on 10 September 1844 at Willingdon, Sussex, England, only son of Peter Hoadley, blacksmith, and his second wife Elizabeth Ann, née Wheeler. Abel was apprenticed to a draper and grocer, but his health failed and he migrated to Melbourne in 1865. His first employment may have been with the nurseryman George Brunning. On 14 November 1868 at Fitzroy, with United Presbyterian Church forms, he married Susannah Ann Barrett; they had fourteen children.

    In 1910 the jam business was sold to Henry Jones Co-operative Ltd. When Hoadley retired from business in 1913 Hoadley’s Chocolates Ltd was formed. He died of cancer on 12 May 1918 at his home, Bella Vista, Kew, leaving an estate valued for probate at £58,946, and was survived by his wife, four daughters and four sons. All these sons were involved in the business, Charles in a minor way as chairman of directors in the 1940s and Peter as purchasing officer. Walter was managing director at his father’s death, but by the 1930s the firm was on the verge of bankruptcy. Albert re-established Hoadley’s, largely by imaginative marketing of candy bars, notably the Violet Crumble, named by Mrs Abel Hoadley after her favourite flower. Albert’s son Gordon presided over the company during a series of mergers in the post-war period, the last being that with the English firm as Rowntree Hoadley Ltd in 1972.

  84. Mother Lode

    “The more educated you are, and interestingly the fewer children you have, the more concerned you are about climate change.”

    I like that ‘educated’ is a single bloc.

    As if Engineering and Critical Alphabet Studies are comparable outside the fact they are done at universities. I do remember from my university days how the Arts students were at pains to ‘prove’ that their studies were as vital to the world as Engineering and Physics.

    And it is not a quirk that people with more kids are less likely to fall for the AGW nonsense. That people who have one non-binary non-gendered offspring called Tarquin Oestrogina are more susceptible to fads is hardly a surprise.

  85. 132andBush

    Farmer Gez

    #3151771, posted on September 10, 2019 at 7:04 am

    More hay will be cut in Northern Vic and Southern NSW with temperatures at zero this morning while crops are out in head.

    For once, we are in a blessed area for rain.

    There’s a decision to be made though and quickly. Do we cut the cereal crops and take the big tonnage or let them go to grain and hope the prices firm as the drought cuts supply?

    Wheat hay should sell for $200 a tonne at farm and grain is currently about $320. We should get 5 tonne per hectare in yield for grain and could cut 10 tonne for hay. A lift of $30 in grain prices would give grain the edge as hay making costs are high.

    Dropping approx. 1/3 of my area today/tomorrow. Dry sown wheat which means I have good bulk but it’s not going to finish. Good money/tonne means it’s not a loss making exercise on these hectares.
    The balance of my paddocks will be lucky to make any grain at all.

    This is after the best start you could possibly wish for in April/May/June.

  86. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    Dapper Happer,

    Dunno just what you’re trying to establish (have only read this page), but the most complete and least diddled with temperature record is HADCRUT 3 unadjusted global mean. You will find it at woodfortrees.org. From 1850.

    And you can forget about your 700, or even 500 ppm CO2. We are in the process of peaking and it will start to go down again in the next decade or so.

  87. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘Tarquin Oestrogina’

    Snork! I’m not going to link it, but Viz magazine really did turn out to be less of a pisstake and more of a visionary, precautionary warning. Which some ignored, with predictable results.

    Whoever drew the Fat Slags cartoons, by the way, should be lauded in the same manner as Nostradamus.

  88. feelthebern

    Scott Cam’s career is over.
    I don’t know what he did, but the alphabet people are angry.

  89. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    No its not okay to use rigged data Peter.

    “Rigged” data is about all you’re going to get if you want a record longer than a few years. HADCRUT 3 unadjusted global mean is the LEAST rigged record available.

  90. Mother Lode

    And, in his day, more than 96% of his peers disagreed with Galileo on various issues only for the subsequent inequivocal proof to find in favour of the minority of one.

    Not entirely surprising – Galileo postited certainty in heliocentrism while, at best, other people were open to both heliocentrism and geocentrism (and thus were presented in the universities) since both theories had flaws which the other didn’t.

    Galileo only came unstuck because he tried to ‘prove’ heliocentrism with scripture – which was the heretical bit. It was not the Church citing scripture to bolster their argument, it was Galileo.

    You see, the problem was parallax – if the Earth was the one moving then how come the starts maintained the same position in the skies. The answer we now know is that they don’t, but that is because we now understand the scale of the universe which would have been unimaginable (and the consequent parallax unmeasurable) in Galileo’s time.

    Galileo was a genius, but he was also a brusque irascible passionate Italian. Only the genius bit survives today – he took the other traits to the grave.

  91. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    Peaking CO2 levels?

    Henry’s Law.

  92. Knuckle Dragger

    Bern,

    I refuse to watch that shit, but saw an ad for it during the Test last week.

    Is this something to do with homo grandfathers?

  93. Empire 5:5

    “These documents show how the Obama State Department, staffed by Clinton donors, improperly, and perhaps illegally, rushed classified information to their anti-Trump allies in the U.S. Senate,” said Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton. “The Obama State Department was central to the conspiracy to smear President Trump with Russiagate lies and innuendo. The Justice Department must expand any Spygate criminal investigation to include this agency.”

    https://www.judicialwatch.org/press-releases/judicial-watch-new-state-department-documents-reveal-last-minute-efforts-by-obama-state-department-to-undermine-president-trump/

  94. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Zyco’s vid at 10.10 sure took me back. Transfer those Bogan Tassies in the old dead-car yard to Sydney’s outer West in the 1950’s and that’s a part of me yoof right there. Much the same style and same sort of horsing around, a top dog (my ex brother-in-law) running the place with the same insouciance as shown by this guy and the same heap of hangers-on sticking around with nothing else to do… hence some fairly unsavory sexual goings on (not with me ‘cos bro-in-law) spiced by the general gossip of a criminal underworld … and I am overcome with nostalgia. 🙂

    Stick a derelict old house in the middle of it down by the railway yards where everyone watched the new television in that crumbling ruin and then make those old cars Fords, Studebakers, Morgans, Dodges and other grand heaps of bygone 30’s and 40’s metal and that’s me there, sitting in some old car with my head in a library book.

  95. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    Once you know that the data is dirty you cannot use it. Its that simple.

    If you’re looking for an accurate, untarnished record over any length of time, you’re whistling Dixie. We know this from the Climategate emails. They’ve all been tampered with.

    However, if you’re prepared to settle for plotting overall trends, HADCRUT 3 unadjusted global mean is the best available. If you want something better, I suggest you make your way to the nearest church and start praying.

  96. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    Thats very interesting.

    Basic science. Google it.

  97. lotocoti

    Someone was telling me yesterday that …

    Nope.
    Learning from the experiences of the ETO, the B29s eventually went bare, saving weight, time, money and improving air flow.
    Also, they mostly came out at night. Mostly.

  98. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Going off to the movies today with my girlfriends to catch the latest iteration of that old US fave “Little Women”. About ten of us I think. All of us old friends and chatty types. I enjoyed the recent TV series of it. We all know the story, of course.

    Middle class American life during the Civil War.

  99. Peter Castieau

    LOL. Just listening to #TheirABC Newsradio and their climate alarmist activist meme for the day is from the UN.
    https://www.theguardian.com/law/2019/sep/09/climate-crisis-human-rights-un-michelle-bachelet-united-nations
    Climate change is the greatest threat to human rights! President Putin and President Xi dont even come close.

  100. Eyrie

    Even in ETO the B17’s late in the war were bare metal. When you have radar and a bunch of contrails pointing at your formation there is no point in olive drab paint.

  101. Tom

    (Barren bugmen classes create a new doomsday cult to justify their failure to be able to sustain life.)

    Beautifully put, Twostix.

  102. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    No you cannot use the Hadcrut3 data. Its crap.

    Okay, use nothing then.

  103. mh

    Heard Ian Chappell this morning stating that he believes David Warner should stay in the team for the 5th Test because Australia has now “won the Ashes” which should result in Warner being more relaxed.

    I don’t think it’s too pedantic to point out that the Ashes series has not been won. It’s 2 – 1 with a Test to go. If England win the final Test it’s a drawn Ashes series. Yes, the Ashes is ‘retained’ because it has been accepted that you have to win the series to win back the urn ⚱️

  104. Des Deskperson

    ‘Learning from the experiences of the ETO, the B29s eventually went bare, saving weight, time, money and improving air flow.’

    From what I can see, most if not all USAAF/USAF aircraft went unpainted – except for insignia – from c.1945 to at least the end of the fifties.

  105. Knuckle Dragger

    A further thought on Toby Greene, who I’ve just seen on the teev.

    He is certainly notable in AFL circles, primarily for his complete lack of a chin as well as small man syndrome, amply demonstrated by the presence of two or three vats of product in his hair vainly attempting to make him appear three inches higher than the insignificant midget he is.

  106. 1735099

    England has trouble with the 4B’s
    Brexit, Boris, Batting, Bowling.

  107. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    if you believe this you ought to be able to do it.

    Take two stubbies of beer. Put one on the dashboard of your car in the full sun, and the other in the freezer. Leave for about an hour. Then, with the help of a friend, remove both stubbie caps at the same time. Observe the result.

    Henry’s Law.

  108. Roger

    Science doesn’t work that way Numbers. ..Many other such cases exist in science, including continental drift and relativity. The current climate change fad is not supported by the data, so it will crash and burn the same way that the stomach nostrum industry did.

    One could point to Thomas Kuhn’s ‘The Structure of Scientific Revolutions’ for the definitive study of how science works, although AGW isn’t exactly “normal science”.

  109. vr

    Loved this interview with David Hockney in the WSJ. Loved his work ever since I laid eyes on his Grand Canyon triptych in the NGA. Sounds like fun person to hang out with.

    The color story continues inside Hockney’s studio, a cavernous space with soaring ceilings. Light filters in from a line of windows at the top of the room; paint spatters and cigarette burn marks form a scattershot pattern on the floor. Hockney sits in the center of the studio, wearing a gray suit and a spring-green cardigan, aqua-colored socks and bright yellow glasses with his signature round frames. Beneath his chair is an oversize carpet, littered with stubbed-out cigarettes. On the table in front of him sits a hefty tome about Rembrandt, the remains of several morning coffees and a pack of Davidoff cigarettes. He drops the butt of his just-finished cigarette onto the floor and lights another.

    “I’ve smoked for more than 60 years,” he says with a shrug. “But I think I’m quite healthy. I’m 82. How much longer do I have? I’m going to die of either a smoking-related illness or a non–smoking-related illness.”

    Americans have become too censorious about smoking, he says—even in the country’s more libertine cities, like New York and Los Angeles. To that end, he is leaving in two days for less-puritanical France, where he has a house in Normandy. Last year, he bought the place essentially on a whim, after seeing it for only 25 minutes. He was visiting France after the unveiling of a stained-glass window he had created, on his iPad, for Westminster Abbey, in his native England. Hockney had been to Normandy before and thought it was a “lovely place,” but he became so freshly enchanted during his holiday that he decided to buy a house there. It was the only one he had looked at. “I fell in love with it,” he says.

  110. Dapper Happer:

    This sort of thing is a job for goats, pigs, and portable electric fences, to bring the fuel level down and make our forests nice places to take a walk in. With CO2 high, the plants grow fast, and you need to take extra measures to bring down fire risks. No use whining about hydrocarbons when there is a job to do.

    CO2 is only just coming off low levels that have seen the planetary vegetation fighting each other for any stray CO2 molecule.
    400ppm is way to low.
    1,000 ppm is just right.

  111. Mother Lode

    Also, they mostly came out at night. Mostly.

    That explains that Japanese expression “Game over, man! Game over!”

  112. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Sounds a bit like ZK2A…

    D.V.A. gave me a gold card out of the goodness of their hearts, did they, Numbers Ho?

  113. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    1,000 ppm is just right.

    True, Winston.
    But it ain’t gunna happen.

  114. stackja

    Anger as floodwater lost to farmers 10 years after dams should have been removed

    Families on the lower Darling­ are helplessly watching the last puddles of river water dry up, as an upstream discovery delays the planned removal of dam walls.
    Clare Armstrong, The Daily Telegraph
    Subscriber only

    Families on the lower Darling­ are helplessly watching the last puddles of river water dry up, as the planned removal of dam walls upstream has been delayed by the discovery of “highly sensitive” indigenous artefacts.

    Residents south of Menindee — where water has not flowed down river since February — are furious the state government missed an opportunity­ to push two billion litres of extra floodwater from a cyclone in Queensland downstream earlier this year.

    That’s because it has yet to modify the dam walls at a property which was purchased for that purpose a decade ago.

    Then-federal minister Penny Wong spent $24 million buying Toorale Station in northwest NSW in 2008, under a plan to return water downstream.

    ….

    The responsibility for the structural work — including pulling down old dams and upsizing pipes to allow the water to flow — was handed to state authorities.

    But 10 years later the NSW government is yet to commence the work.

    The Daily Telegraph can reveal the project was delayed during planning due to “highly sensitive cultural heritage, environmental and neighbouring landholder water interests”.

    NSW Water Minister Melinda Pavey said the Toorale­ Infrastructure Project was a NSW National Parks responsibility.

    “I am working closely with Environment Minister Matt Kean to ensure future flows are delivered down the river as originally envisaged when Toorale was purchased,” Ms Pavey said.

    Landowners at that meeting were angry to learn that of the 30 gigalitres of floodwater to reach Toorale in April after Cyclone Trevor, only 25 gigalitres could be pushed straight into the Darling because the pipes on the dam are too small. Commonwealth authorities estimate up to two billion litres of extra water could have reached Menindee if the dams at Toorale­ had been opened up.

    Federal Water Minister David Littleproud said he had written to Mr Kean in July, saying he expected the work at Toorale to now be completed. “I now expect them to get on with the job and get it done,” Mr Littleproud said.

    Karoola Station owner Wayne Smith, who has been left pumping water out of a shrinking pool on the river to feed his sheep, said the extra floodwater from Queensland could have helped save more protected fish species this summer.

    “The Barwon Darling review shows the river was in drought three years sooner than it should have been,” Mr Smith said. “Had there been water in the river when the extra flow came down from Toorale, that could have travelled a lot further.”

    Mr Smith has temporarily lost organic certification for his lambs because the putrid water the animals­ have to drink doesn’t meet strict standards. “So long as we keep dealing with sections of river in isolation and not considering the downstream impacts, there will be problems like this,” he said.

    Mr Smith said landowners in the area were “devastated­” by the mass fish kills last year, and are preparing for an even worse disaster this summer. “I’m already picking up the odd dead Murray cod, big fish up to 1m long, in the small pools of river around my property, and it’s not even that warm yet,” he said.

    A scathing National Resources Commissioner report released late last week estimated changes to extraction rules in 2012 caused persistent “very low” flows in the lower Darling three years earlier than the river upstream.

    NRC chair Dr John Keniry made recommendations designed to deliver water downstream during periods of drought or low flow. He found the use of water for irrigation on farms in the northern parts of the river was preventing water reaching landowners and towns further south — and that those competing needs must be balanced.

    Ms Pavey said she would carefully consider the report and respond in an “appropriate time frame”.

    Shooters, Fishers and Farmers Party Barwon MP Roy Butler said it was “not helpful” to pit north and south river users against each other, and the focus should instead be on the government’s rules.

    “Whether it’s the agriculture industry, town communities, or Aboriginal people who rely on access to water for cultural purposes, I don’t think we want to enter a debate about who has a greater right to water,” Mr Butler said. “The government is the regulator responsible for making and enforcing the rules … and trust in government decision-making is at an all-time low.”

  115. John Constantine

    Quotes attributable to Acting Minister for Planning Lily D’Ambrosio

    “As more and more people choose apartment living, we need to ensure these buildings are high-quality and ready for twenty-first century challenges such as climate change and our growing population growth.”

    “Melbourne leads the world in liveability and that should be reflected in our apartments – by increasing green space and wind protection and creating safer, more attractive neighbourhoods.”

    “Our buildings and public spaces are a defining feature of our city – it’s vital that we get the planning right now to make sure it stays that way.”

    https://www.premier.vic.gov.au/new-apartment-design-standards-to-improve-neighbourhoods/

    Big australia has made us such a wealthy country that we can afford to import the worlds cheapest and shoddiest building materials from chicom peoples liberation army slave labour factories and have chicom landshark billionaire property developers use these materials and chicom peoples liberation army slave labour [ imported on visas] to build deathtrap dogbox apartment developments.

    Then bribe australias political class with plastic Aldi bags full of cash to debtfund the mass importation of millions of the worlds poorest people to demand the property services, at superprofit levels to the landshark developers.

    When the Ponxi collapses, bribes to australias political class means the proles of australia go into debt to bail out the billionaire developer/donor class.

    Simple business model, but our media can never speak of such things because their media is only programmed for their narrative.

    Comrade Maaaaaaaaaates.

  116. Percy Popinjay

    Fat braindead hi-viz pigs fining people (mostly Asians) for jaywalking across Eddy avenue this morning.

    The disgusting useless tax hoovers should have been lynched on sight.

  117. min

    Numbers, one of the biggest scientific con jobs was the so called research by Burt for which he was made a Lord.
    It was the research into the Nature or Nuture question where he claimed he had studied identical twins separated at birth . His conclusion was Nuture and as this was before all the genetic research, was the accepted belief back when I first started studying Psychology that it was 70% nuture and 30% nuture and remained so for decades . That is until another researcher decided to look at the question again and when he tried to replicate Burt’s research could not find an equal sample of twins separated at birth .
    These days it is 70 % genetic and 30% nuture and may even be more genetic . In the last decade I can think of one behaviour that has been found to be genetic ,that is hoarding . With epigenetics now being investigated who knows what will be discovered

  118. Roger

    “The government is the regulator responsible for making and enforcing the rules … and trust in government decision-making is at an all-time low.”

    And after that particular litany of government failures one needn’t ask why.

  119. Eyrie

    Just substitute “mafia” for government above and it all makes sense.

  120. Bruce of Newcastle

    So what do we have? We have that graph going back to 2005.

    DH – We also have one clean dataset going back about 350 years.
    Yes temperature has been rising, but almost all of that rise can be explained by the ~60 year cycle and the solar modulation of cloud cover.

    CET graph with Bruce’s model fit.

    I haven’t bothered updating the graph in the last few years because there have been a number of recent reports of uncorrected UHIE being imposed on the HadCET locations.

  121. Percy Popinjay

    aboriginal people who rely on access to water for cultural purposes

    That smarmy cockhead butler is just another in a seemingly endless conga line of incompetent suckholes. Why do these fuckwits speak like that? The sentence above makes zero sense, even if you are a labore/greenfilth voting bugman wanker.

  122. Top Ender

    This one pushed the spaminator to its limits.

    The ultimate go woke go broke effort – this time from Disney who are a parody of their former selves:


    Disney’s Hitler comedy tests Teutonic sense of humour
    BERLIN
    OLIVER MOODY

    Disney has enchanted generations of children with films about a motherless deer, a singing bear and a cat-kidnapping French butler. Whether it can do the same with a black comedy about a small boy whose imaginary best friend is Adolf Hitler remains to be seen.

    Months before its European release date, Jojo Rabbit has already stirred up discomfort in Germany, where the Third Reich is not usually considered a fit subject for cheap laughs.

    The film, starring Scarlett Johansson and Rebel Wilson, tells the story of John “Jojo” Betzler, a lonely 10-year-old boy in the Hitler Youth.

    One day Jojo comes home to find his mother has decided to harbour a J ewish girl in their attic, prompting him to question his fervent Nazi beliefs in a series of conversations with Hitler, played by the director, Taika Waititi. Disney executives are said to be fretting that the “edgy” film, which had its premiere on Sunday (Monday AEST) at the Toronto international film festival, could harm its family-friendly reputation.

    Nowhere will the scrutiny be greater than in Germany. The film’s German-language trailer has been received with suspicion. It depicts Hitler Youths jumping into a swimming pool, children throwing hand grenades and the Nazi dictator counselling Jojo on dealing with bullies. “You know, people said heaps of nasty things about me: ‘Oh, the guy is insane; oh, he’s a psycho and he wants to kill us all,’ ” Hitler tells his young friend with a shrug.

    One critic described the trailer as “obnoxious and mad”. Members of the public have mocked its clunky dubbing, criticised Waititi’s portrayal of Hitler and rolled their eyes at the slapstick treatment of the subject.

    One said the film was “about as funny as Schindler’s List”. “What rubbish,” another wrote. “You just shouldn’t make jokes or piss-takes about these things.”

    The Germans have long been a tough audience for Nazi gags. An attempt to make a German version of Mel Brooks’s film The Producers backfired in 1976, with critics calling it a “sick joke”. A version of Casablanca also did poorly at the German box office, despite or perhaps because of a decision to cut out virtually all scenes involving Nazis. There have been exceptions to the rule, such as Look Who’s Back, a popular film that resurrected Hitler in 2014 to make a point about Germany’s enduring susceptibility to populist rhetoric.

    Waititi, 44, best known for directing Thor: Ragnarok and What We Do in the Shadows, said Jojo Rabbit was meant to “piss off a lot of racists”. The director took the role of Hitler because he could not find an actor willing to play it. He had also struggled to find a producer who would take on the risk.

    Waititi said he would tell prospective producers: “It’s about this little kid and he finds this girl in his attic and his best friend is Hitler. You can see them (thinking): ‘Oh my God, no. There is no f..king way I’m going to have anything to do with this. Bye.’ ”

    The loose adaptation of Christine Leunens’s novel Caging Skies was commissioned by Fox Searchlight Pictures, acquired by Disney this year.

    THE TIMES

  123. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    Just substitute “mafia” for government above and it all makes sense.

    So why do good, honest, hard-working Catallaxians keep voting for them?
    The answer is simple: next election number the sitting member last. Forget about parties and promises, just number your sitting member last, regardless of party.

  124. dover_beach

    As usual, Catallaxians are way out of step

    To quote Chesterton, “A dead thing can go with the stream, but only a living thing can go against it.”

  125. John Constantine

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_of_landlords_under_Mao_Zedong

    Once Ponxi schemes collapse, the political instinct is there for charismatic leaders to rise up and unleash the proles to dismember the Ponxi developer class with their bare hands.

    What level of State control of the proles will be required to prevent this backlash this time?.

    The victorian State is moving towards a monopoly on force through gungrabs and disarming the peasantry, plus social engineering through the ‘ flee, cower, beg’ advertising campaign.

    Plus importing chicom secret police dissenter identification Skynet software to build up lists of the non-compliant.

    Obviously the andrews government must use OBOR to fund bailouts and infrastructure to buy another election victory or two until socialism’s Tyrannical Dystopia is eternally locked in for melbourne.

    Would the mass execution of ten thousand property developers really be such a terrible thing?. It would save a trillion dollars of public liabilities and population wise Australia would fly in ten thousand replacement citizens in two or three weeks at current levels.

    Their Left are demanding a Cultural Revolution for australia, firmly feeling that this time it will be done properly because it will be totally controlled by wymynsys vegynsys child activists.

    Cultural Revolutions do tend to all end up the same way for a reason however, once the forces are unleashed and it all cascades downhill, cultural gravity doesn’t care one little bit about the feelings of the well intentioned.

    In this vein Mao insisted that the people themselves, not the security organs, should become involved in killing landlords who had oppressed them, which was quite different from Soviet practice.[2] Mao thought that peasants who killed landlords with their bare hands would become permanently linked to the revolutionary process in a way that passive spectators could not be.[2] Those condemned as landlords were buried alive, dismembered, strangled and shot.[14] The killing eventually gave rise to the saying “dou di zhu” (斗地主), or “fight the landlord” which was used by Mao to build support for the party.[11]

    Comrades.

  126. Tom

    I alternate between two radio sports shows in the morning, SEN and RSN.

    This morning, SEN chose to do a teary three-hour tribute to Danny Frawley (who, reading between the lines, may have used his car to kill himself yesterday after struggling for years with depression). Even though devastated by Frawley’s death, RSN decided to get on with life and do the best show possible in the circumstances.

    RSN brekky was outstanding, the highlight being an in-depth interview with AFL coach-in-waiting, Jade Rawlings, the new senior assistant to North Melbourne rookie coach Rhyce Shaw. I would be astonished if Rawlings isn’t a senior coach in 2020 or 2021. Listen at the link if you’re interested.

    The moral of the story is that, in radio, no matter what the circumstances, you can’t turn the most vital slot of the day into a wake.

  127. cohenite

    Eyrie

    #3151769, posted on September 10, 2019 at 7:03 am

    This should really put the final nail in the coffin of model based AGW.
    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/09/07/propagation-of-error-and-the-reliability-of-global-air-temperature-projections-mark-ii/

    It should but it won’t. What will nail this monster is closing the abc and a few million bucks and a few pollies with balls. There’s a fairy tale!

    One thing, the main reviewer of the paper, which is a great paper, but is really covering well trodden territory about the uselessness of the models, is Jing-Jia Luo of the BoM.

  128. Roger

    Quotes attributable to Acting Minister for Planning Lily D’Ambrosio

    “As more and more people choose apartment living, we need to ensure these buildings are high-quality and ready for twenty-first century challenges such as climate change and our growing population growth.”

    Quite possibly the stupidest politician in Australia.

    Mention of her name always remains me of this sketch from Big Train.

  129. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    A crumbling marriage, money worries and a depression so deep he forgot where he lived: How AFL icon Danny ‘Spud’ Frawley’s life spiralled before he died in a one-car crash near his family’s potato farm

    Danny Frawley was a larrikin media personality, but also a troubled soul
    Death of St Kilda legend sent shockwaves through the AFL community
    The 56-year-old recently opened up about his battles with depression
    Survived by wife Anita and their daughters Danielle, Chelsea and Keeley
    Recently told friends his marriage was over and he was struggling financially

    Daily Mail.

  130. Geriatric Mayfly

    aboriginal people who rely on access to water for cultural purposes

    Waiting to be told that every river in the land is up there with the river Jordan and Mother Ganges.

  131. John Constantine

    Twitter is the new way their Left can have australian child activist Red Guards symbolically execute the oppressor class with their bare hands, [ even if it is only hands on keyboards- for now.]

    The new Cultural Revolution has permanent records of those involved in using Twitter to execute dissenters in the new public village square, and permanent records of those absent from these public Twitter executions.

    Comrades.

  132. stackja

    mh
    #3151850, posted on September 10, 2019 at 8:54 am

    Thank you.

  133. cohenite

    Eyrie

    #3151769, posted on September 10, 2019 at 7:03 am

    This should really put the final nail in the coffin of model based AGW.
    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/09/07/propagation-of-error-and-the-reliability-of-global-air-temperature-projections-mark-ii/

    It should but it won’t. What will nail this monster is closing the abc, spending a few million bucks on publicity and a few pollies with balls. There’s a fairy tale!

    One thing, the main reviewer of the paper, which is a great paper, but is really covering well trodden territory about the uselessness of the models, is a guy from the BoM which the censor won’t let me name.

  134. C.L.

    Then-federal minister Penny Wong spent $24 million buying Toorale Station in northwest NSW in 2008, under a plan to return water downstream.

    Did she? I didn’t know Wong had that sort of money.

  135. Mother Lode

    So they found Aboriginal artifacts. Somewhere.

    So what? Do these ones tell us something new, or are they just more of the knapped rocks or burnt stones that seem to have been de rigueur for the 20 megajillion years of Aboriginal occupation.

    What is the point of more fragments that is so profound that everything else must stop? How important can they be? Even the indigines that made them were content to just leave them. Can’t have been that precious.

    Or are they still hoping to find the Aboriginal metropolis that might have been the origin of the myth of Atlantis, with its glistening spires that prick the heavens, the laser controlled fish-trapping technology, the computers that work on dreamtime bits, and the observatory perched on high with its telescopes patiently tracking the majestically unhurried movement of the celestial emu.

    When they find Greek and Roman relics they pack them up in boxes and take them to the researchers. If it is a location which cannot be moved they find a way.

    They don’t close off swathes of land because they found a coin and a broken piece of pottery.

  136. Once you know that the data is dirty you cannot use it.

    +∞

    We have researchers (avoiding the word scientist) who:
    1. Try to wash the data
    2. Knowingly use busted data sets
    3. Assume the data is OK
    4. F1ddle the data some more

    Each of the above should be a hangin’ offense.

  137. Black Ball

    Good morning.
    Reports on the bushfires in Queensland, oddly no mention of global warming or climate change in what started the blaze, rather a group of kids who police are speaking to. Size 11 up the Khyber Pass if found to be the perpetrators.
    Percy Popinjay, I have no clue as to the cultural relevance of water, other than to, you know, live. Perhaps Butler can explain to me.

  138. Bruce of Newcastle

    Very suspicious for recent temperatures to be higher than the 1930’s.

    DH – The Central England Temperature measurement location is at the far end of the Gulf Stream. It is a local temperature dataset on an island, so the ocean moderates climate. There’s a spike associated with the cyclical AMO but not so pronounced as for continental regions.

    Also there’s no reason why recent temperatures cannot be high. Solar activity reached a peak in the early 2000’s, the highest in over nine millenia.

    My point is that almost all of the temperature variation has been natural. The IPCC ignores the cycle that led to the 1930’s spike. You can see this with the detrended HadCRUT 3 data in this graph (from this post by Joe D’Aleo). The IPCC start their magic century in 1906, which is the very bottom of the cycle, and conclude it in 2005 which is the peak of the cycle and the peak of solar activity. Obvious artefacts, which is why the CAGW thing is clearly fraudulent.

  139. mh

    BoJo has failed to get support for snap election.

    Of course. That would be un-democratic.

  140. Arky

    Brexit has jumped the shark.
    The plot is now so convoluted and unbelievable and the characters so un-likeable that I can no longer suspend disbelief. I’m watching old roadrunner cartoons for some realistic drama instead.

  141. Black Ball

    There will come a point Percy when the fire brigades fighting fires will need written permission from the big men of Aboriginal ‘nations’ with a follow up invoice in the mail. That’s if the Left have their way.

  142. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    There will come a point Percy when the fire brigades fighting fires will need written permission from the big men of Aboriginal ‘nations’ with a follow up invoice in the mail

    Written permission to be on Aboriginal land in the first place, or written permission to put the fire out?

  143. egg_

    We have researchers (avoiding the word scientist) who:
    1. Try to wash the data
    2. Knowingly use busted data sets
    3. Assume the data is OK
    4. F1ddle the data some more

    In the Engineering world, where lives matter, these could be criminal offenses.
    Abrogation of responsibility.

  144. Mother Lode

    BoJo has failed to get support for snap election.

    He is a dictator!

    Thank heavens Corbyn is there to frustrate BoJo’s despotic plans and protect the the voters from unthinkingly siding with the tyrant – which would have been a severe, perhaps fatal blow to democracy!

  145. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    Very suspicious for recent temperatures to be higher than the 1930’s.

    It’s cyclical like everything else in nature, Dapper.
    We came out of the last cool cycle ( the Little Ice Age – LIA) around 1850. Temps rose for about 30 years till 1880, then fell in a hole, then started warming again. These cycles of warming and cooling can be seen on any temp graph, regardless of how doctored it is.

    So we have warming 1850 to 1880, cooler 1880 to 1910, warming 1910 to 1940, cooling 1940 to 1970, warming 1970 to 200. These are rough dates only, and the effect doesn’t occur everywhere at the same time.

    Each of the above cycles are gradually warmer over about 150 years – in this case 1850 to 2000. Then we go the other way and it gets cooler, and stays in that cycle for 150 years. Then the whole thing repeats again.

    The first cycle seems to be controlled by, or reflect, the Pacific Decadel Oscillation (PDO) and the Atlantic Multidecadel Oscillation (AMO – aka The Atlantic Conveyor). The larger cycle seems to be influenced by sunspot activity.

  146. feelthebern

    Spot the difference.
    The ABC has a staffer with who is convicted of being a rock spider.
    Minimal coverage.
    MIT has someone who took donations from Epstein.
    MIT sack the staff member, put it loud & proud on its website and broadcast it via their global mailing list.
    Who has the higher standard?
    Serious question.

  147. stackja

    mh – UK people voted for Brexit. Parliament voting for remain.
    Democracy?

  148. Bruce of Newcastle

    Yay, we have a new UN human rights champion!

    The UN Is About To Elect Venezuela’s Nicolas Maduro To The UN Human Rights Council Because Of Course They Are (via BCF)

    No, this is not some kind of parody article.

    Several UN watchdogs are reporting that Venezuela is almost certain to be elected to the United Nations Human Rights Council. That’d be the same Venezuela that has death squads and has carried out thousands of extra-judicial killings.

    You may be wondering how this is possible. It comes down to the fact that there are two spots open for countries from Latin America and Venezuela is one of only two countries running. Instead of abstaining or using some other means to deny them the seat, it’s apparently all but certain the current members will give them the 2/3 vote they need.

    Pity the UN didn’t exist in 1939 or we could have had Adolf as the UN head honcho of environmental, peace and human rights.

  149. Black Ball

    Written permission to be on Aboriginal land in the first place, or written permission to put the fire out?

    Both.

  150. Black Ball

    Pity the UN didn’t exist in 1939 or we could have had Adolf as the UN head honcho of environmental, peace and human rights.

    He was Time magazine man of the year in 1938? If so, his star was only rising!

  151. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Written permission to be on Aboriginal land in the first place, or written permission to put the fire out?

    Both.

    “Here’s the keys to the firetruck, put it out yourselves.”

  152. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    Written permission to be on Aboriginal land in the first place, or written permission to put the fire out?
    Both.

    You’ll almost certainly also need a fully trained and accredited Aboriginal Land Entry Guidance Officer to ensure you don’t tread on some significant fossilised snake shyte from the Dreamtime.

  153. Bruce of Newcastle

    Which means that the 30 year Gulf Stream oscillation will throw it out.

    It’s in my model. With solar and the AMO cycle included the remainder is equivalent to 2XC)2 of 0.7 C/doubling. Which is harmless if you do the arithmetic. That is the upper limit as the model doesn’t factor UHIE.

  154. Bruce of Newcastle

    Oops that should be 2XCO2. Fat fingers!

  155. Snoopy

    Then-federal minister Penny Wong spent $24 million buying Toorale Station in northwest NSW in 2008, under a plan to return water downstream.

    Did she? I didn’t know Wong had that sort of money.

    Pfft. It’s only 240 Aldi bags.

  156. Black Ball

    “Here’s the keys to the firetruck, put it out yourselves.”

    😂

  157. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    If you were using ice cores that would have to knock the doubling temperature right back to the low digits if anything at all.

    One of the very few points BoN and I disagree on. Bruce reckons atmospheric CO2 has a sparrow fart’s effect on temp, and I reckon it has SFA effect.

    It’s no biggie.

  158. Tom

    Hahaha. Trump winding up the fake news media about the 2026 soccer world cup. “Under the normal rules, I’ll be out in 2024. I may have to run for another term …”

  159. dover_beach

    Planned Parenthood Partner Admits Selling Intact Heads and Brains From Aborted Babies:

    Doe 9 reportedly tried to avoid answering any questions Friday about harvesting the brains of aborted babies to possibly sell to researchers. In one undercover video, she described how Planned Parenthood abortionists have been “pretty successful” in harvesting intact brains from aborted babies by flipping the unborn baby into a breech position, which sounds a lot like an illegal partial-birth abortion.

    “A clearly irritated Doe 9 pretended to not understand the question and refused to give a direct answer about the meaning of her words,” according to CMP.

    Daleiden’s and Merritt’s attorneys said they tried to impeach her twice for lying under oath and contradicting her prior sworn testimony.

    The CMP undercover videos revealed horrific evidence about the harvesting of aborted babies’ brains at Planned Parenthood. One former StemExpress technician said she saw an aborted baby’s heart beating while they were harvesting his brain at an abortion facility in California.

    According to CMP, StemExpress, which sent technicians to Planned Parenthood to help harvest aborted baby parts, also has been cited in published scientific literature as a source of fetal hearts used for Langendorff perfusion, which keeps a heart beating after it is excised from the body.

    Today’s Mengeles are hiding in plain sight.

  160. Bruce of Newcastle

    What were you using for your CO2 record?

    DH – Mauna Loa fitted to an exponential curve to interpolate between the modern data and the preindustrial level of about 280 ppmV. It isn’t that important because the pCO2 levels between the invention of fire and the start of the 19th C aren’t large, seeing CO2 isn’t a big effect.

    I don’t know the Becks dataset. Is it for the UK? The key reason I used CET is it long term and is independent of and proximate to Armagh in Nthrn Ireland, which is where the solar forcing data comes from. I don’t go back beyond 1750 because the solar cycle data is spotty before then due to the Maunder.

    See the comments below the graph for the methodology and data sources. I’m not sure the link to Butler & Johnston 1996 still works as I think the N Ireland guys updated their website a couple years ago. But you can find it with a search.

  161. Knuckle Dragger

    I hope that fire truck’s not using cultural water.

  162. notafan

    Did she? I didn’t know Wong had that sort of money.

    I would have just added her to the list of multi millionaire true blue working class Labor party politicians

  163. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    https://nypost.com/2019/09/09/vegan-activist-who-rescued-16-rabbits-killed-over-100-in-the-process-report/

    I’m remembering the group of activists who freed a group of preforming seals into the open sea – where the seals were promptly eaten by killer whales..

  164. notafan

    just got snapped at by the plumbers next door when I politely asked them to move their vehicle from my property

    the guy they are working for is also parked on my property but hey its me that should be left without a park in parking inspector heaven

    ‘We’ll just block the laneway’ they snarled

    ‘fine with me’ I replied

    couldn’t be bothered suggesting they get him to move his car

    aint me blocking up drains with food waste every other week

  165. TheSemiMentalBloke

    Those firefighters will need to have a smoking ceremony before putting the fires out as well.

  166. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    The miscreants fitted the ice core onto the real data at a point in the 20th century where there was a downward spike. They cheated.

    Welcome to Climate Science 101.

  167. Bruce of Newcastle

    The same cheats set up their main measuring station next to the largest active above surface volcano in the world

    Mauna Loa

    Cape Grim

    DH – Not much difference, but Mauna Loa is a longer consistent dataset, which is why I used it. It also fits the exponential curve quite well (pseudo exponential of course, but ok for interpolating pre 1950’s data). I don’t use older pCO2 data produced by the wet method because I’m a chemist and I know quite well the errors in doing such determinations. Spectrometric is much more accurate and precise.

    The effect of CO2 is so small that over 250 years of CET data it is nearly invisible.

  168. Steve trickler

    Surprise!

    Keep watch on GGggggoooolllllllaaaagggg.



  169. Arnost

    No you cannot use the Hadcrut3 data. Its crap. I know Sami Solanki still uses it. Patrick Michaels still uses it. And they wind up all confused. You want to shake these guys. You must not use crap data, even if its the only data you have! Full stop.

    The issue is that Hadley does not have the original data any more!

    See paragraph 4 in below:

    We, therefore, do not hold the original raw data but only the value-added (i.e. quality controlled and homogenized) data.

    https://crudata.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/availability/

  170. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    Climate modelling is not science.

    Of course it is!!
    Here are some real (yes, really) Climate Scientists to tell you all about it.
    In song, no less.

  171. egg_

    Climate modelling is not science.

    Don’t they distinguish their (retro) modelling from actual predictions?
    Mathematical modelling stems from biochemistry IIRC, atmospheric science tea leaves is whole new genre.
    Models at 20 paces!

  172. egg_

    We, therefore, do not hold the original raw data but only the value-added (i.e. quality controlled and homogenized) data.

    Openly admitting to fudging their school science project.
    Grow up.

  173. egg_

    The miscreants fitted the ice core onto the real data

    What if tree ring and ice core (and other) data disagree, as I’m sure they do, at certain points in the real world?
    Who knows what short term/long term/local trends could be afoot?
    Are the majority of ‘atmospheric scientists’ second rate flogs?

  174. Bruce of Newcastle

    Climate modelling is not science.

    Roger – Mine’s a local temperature model using empirically measured variables, not a climate model.

    An interesting comment made by John Christy fairly recently is this:

    There is one model that’s not too bad, it’s the Russian model. You don’t go to the Whitehouse today and say, “the Russian model works best”. You don’t say that at all! But the fact is they have a very low sensitivity to [CO2 in] their climate model. When you look at the Russian model integrated out to 2100, you don’t see anything to get worried about.

    Here’s the graph from the article, you can see the Russian model fits the UAH and radiosonde datasets pretty well.

    That’s what I’ve said several times. If the IPCC ensemble modellers included the real climate sensitivity in their models their results would fit a whole lot better, like the Russian model. They’d probably work better for forecasting too. But if they did that they’d prove CAGW can’t happen and would be defunded. It’s a wicked problem when you have a mortgage, a family, a career and a big orange monster in the White House that you don’t like.

    Putting Climate Change Claims to the Test (18 June)

  175. egg_

    In fact a CO2 doubling figure is probably highly variable depending on how warm or cold it actually is. In a cold world there won’t be much water vapour so a doubling could help quite a lot. In a warmer world with water vapour everywhere and CO2 climbing in the stratosphere it could have a cooling effect. So this lambda could be all over the place.

    IIRC the GHG hypothesis heating effect was revised downward from the original a Century ago and was a mathematical theory to begin with.

  176. egg_

    IIRC the GHG hypothesis heating effect was revised downward from the original a Century ago and was a mathematical theory to begin with.

    No wonder this crap is a modeller’s dream.

  177. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    When you look at the Russian model integrated out to 2100,
    you don’t see anything to get worried about.

    And therein lies the rub, Bruce, for there is a great deal to be worried about.
    In a decade’s time when we have a million climate refugees arriving every year it will be way too late to do anything then.

  178. Roger

    Climate modelling is not science.

    Roger – Mine’s a local temperature model using empirically measured variables, not a climate model.

    I wasn’t referring to you, Bruce, just linking to a very interesting blog post about the subject.

  179. egg_

    Real pollution.

    I’m sure that Eastern Europe knows what real pollution looks like.

  180. Bruce of Newcastle

    My climate refugees haven’t arrived. The koels should turn up later this month.
    Has anyone in the left said the Tamil country shoppers are climate refugees yet?

  181. Mother Lode

    I just saw one of the rather glib banner headlines from the ABC saying that if you work more than 50 hrs a week you might be hurting the economy.

    First thought was: How would you know? You (the ABC) don’t exist in the economy except you use money someone else gives you to buy stuff from it. You have people who do 15 minutes work a week for an income that no one gets for 40 hrs. Perhaps an academic – who also lives cloistered and apart from the economy.

    Then: What do they think happens? That the additional ten hours destroys some of the wealth created in the first 40? That if you didn’t do the extra work then someone fresher would pop up and gladly do it better? That the only thing I contribute to me job is my time – not skills, foresight, imagination, or motivation? That maybe that extra time which I put in might not be my commitment to get a specific outcome of quality or greater future reward than stopping at 40 might achieve – perhaps developing an innovation or risk mitigation.

    And finally: What do I owe ‘the economy’? It is a useful idea, but it has no independent existence. It is made up of millions of economic activities , transactions, plans etc. It is like a meal – the beginning and the end are defined by when the first morsel is tasted and when the last emptied glass of XO cognac is put down. It is exactly as long as it is. There is no ‘meta’-meal that my meal must serve.

    The ABC really should keep their noses out of the stuff they don’t understand – and that includes TV and radio stations.

  182. egg_

    You cannot reject some of their lies, accept others, and then tell yourself you are being fair and balanced.

    Anyone with a moral compass wouldn’t do so – only one willing to compromise their own integrity.
    Science vs Engineering?

  183. egg_

    “What if tree ring and ice core (and other) data disagree, as I’m sure they do, at certain points in the real world?”

    They do disagree

    They disagree because they’re mere analogues used in metrology and fraught with errors.

  184. Mother Lode

    You cannot alibi these people with Cape Grim

    Pretty good eye fillet.

    Nice with bearnaise and full and earthier (less fruit driven than usual Australian) cabernet or merlot.

    I thought for a moment there that I might not have had anything useful to contribute to the conversation.

  185. John Constantine

    A million of the worlds poorest people a year, flown into melbourne and sydney because they are the only ones desperate enough to be stacked tight and high into the deteriorating deathtrap Ponxi developments.

    The boost to Gross Domestic Product from these debtfunded consumption machines will be so great it will make our elites among the worlds richest kleptocratic governments.

    Imagine if shorten was running his million granny immigration airlift right now?. That would bail out the Ponxi apartment scheme for another year all on its own.

    Comrades.

  186. Bruce of Newcastle

    Plus is the Cape Grim one the one they take from a plane two miles up? Or is that another one?

    Cape Grim is the CSIRO site in NW Tassie. Air is coming across thousands of km of the southern ocean, which is why they use it as a baseline for gas analysis.

    The 280 ppm preindustrial number is an estimate, which fits the biology of plants quite well. About 200 ppm is the lowest it can go before plants can’t easily extract it from the atmosphere. If that is reached plants die, they stop sopping up volcanic CO2 and therefore the pCO2 level goes up. Negative feedback loop.

    We know from the chlorophyll geographic data that plant growth is stimulated worldwide from CO2. That data is likely pretty good since it is inconvenient to the climateers. Therefore back extrapolation means pCO2 was of the order of 280 ppmV before industrialization, because it was about 315 ppmV in the 1950’s. It wasn’t 400 ppmV or the rise in plant growth would not have been the way it has been.

  187. Geriatric Mayfly

    Has anyone in the left said the Tamil country shoppers are climate refugees yet?

    Last throw of the dice. Tsunami refugees.

  188. Bruce of Newcastle

    DH – I don’t know where I got the original 280 ppmV value, it was 10 years ago I did the original exercise, but as I said it fits a backwards extrapolation of the the Mauna Loa curve using an exponential equation. It fits the biology of plants. It is only 35 ppmV lower than pCO2 in the 1950’s. Nothing to do with the Vostok data, it is a consistent extrapolation from the modern data.

    It’s very easy to measure pCO2 once you have spectrometers. I’ve done such analyses myself, of things like NO2 and SO2. Hard to fake, easy to cross check and doesn’t need adjustments. And on top of it the effect of the CO2 is so small at those levels even in the IPCC models that it is a moot issue anyway. My data says the effect is also small at the current pCO2 level, and at any level pretty much. Which is what Christy and that Russian model group say.

    Pointless to argue about something which hasn’t much effect, once you’ve shown it hasn’t much effect.

  189. Top Ender

    Hanson and Lambie face off:

    Hanson gets personal in drug fight

    One Nation has endorsed the government’s plan to randomly drug test welfare recipients, with leader Pauline Hanson also questioning Jacqui Lambie’s opposition to the trial.

    Ms Hanson declared sometimes you have to show “tough love” to make a change in society.

    “It’s a start by the government. There’s a lot of drugs out there in our societies destroying people’s lives … (this will) give them some sort of opportunity to be able to actually clean up their act,” Senator Hanson said.

    “What sort of society do we want? Are we going to allow people to go on taking the drugs with young kids out there? It’s a shame, we’ve lost lives.”

    The minor party’s confirmed support for the plan gives the government two crucial votes to legislate the bill, which will be introduced to the House of Representatives tomorrow. Independent South Australian senator Cory Bernardi has also backed the two-year drug trials of 5000 Newstart and Youth Allowance recipients.

    That leaves the government one vote short, making independent Tasmanian senator Jacqui Lambie or Centre Alliance kingmakers.

    Senator Hanson demanded a “please explain” from Senator Lambie over her hardened opposition to the trials.

    She pointed to Senator Lambie’s son, who the Tasmanian revealed in 2015 had struggled with ice addiction.

    “Her child has been on drugs and you wouldn’t knock back something that could possibly help people like her son. That’s why I’m supporting this,” Senator Hanson said.

    “Why is she knocking this back? Who’s got in her ear?”

    Oz Politics Now section

  190. egg_

    Yes egg but the problem is when people don’t have good data, and I’m talking about even good scientists here, they will grab at the data that is available. They will hold onto it like an 100 buck note clenched tight between their butt-cheeks. Very hard to get them to let that data go and find more truncated but honest data (with honest data the errors cancel out). Because these guys have been working with numbers since high school. Give them numbers they go to work. Very hard to get them to rely on a more truncated but honest set. So that means that even the more reasonable people get affected by a normalcy bias.

    I can understand the pressures, particularly when one has to earn a crust and your field of expertise gets politicised – all power to those brave enough to speak out.

  191. egg_

    they will grab at the data that is available.

    There’s a vast gulf between metrology and modelling.
    I’ve had a bit to do with biological metrology, and use of the Wenner resistivity method is a rather crude tool.
    I’d use it as an indicator only and not a truly quantitative measurement – whether it’s large scale geophysical plotting (which I’ve done)/small scale on plants or whatever.

  192. egg_

    Bioscience’s departure from true Physics opens the door to charlatans.
    /Rutherford

  193. egg_

    The same cheats set up their main measuring station next to the largest active above surface volcano in the world,

    Even Blind Freddy can see that they’re two-bit con men.
    What does that do to their cause?

  194. Steve trickler

    Bald, in Kyrgyzstan.



  195. egg_

    Now note that after the Napoleonic wars, though everyone was financially exhausted, we somehow don’t hear much of famine and we see that the Europeans had high CO2 levels at the right time. Plus we see that part of the century when CO2 levels went through some downward plunges are also where some known famines do come to mind.

    It’s curious as to Man’s greening of the planet and relative CO2 levels, viz agriculture, parkland, bushland understorey buildup, etc.
    We’ve likely greened Oz relative to the prior custodial noble savages.
    New England NSW has been completely reforested by the whitefella (with fvcking gum trees) over a century.

  196. Arnost

    Whilst the below is great prose:

    Its because the bad guys went and rubbished the actual measurements until the actual measurements feelings were hurt and the actual measurements got up and walked away.

    This is more apt

    They will hold onto it [data] like an 100 buck note clenched tight between their butt-cheeks.

    I’d bet that Phil Jones and co know exactly where the “lost” data is. They lied about it to prevent the likes of Warwick and Steve Mc looking at it in detail. And now they have to stick with that…

  197. Boambee John

    Mother Lode
    #3151959, posted on September 10, 2019 at 11:44 am
    I just saw one of the rather glib banner headlines from the ABC saying that if you work more than 50 hrs a week you might be hurting the economy.

    If Insiders and Media Watch are anything to go by, Their ABC stars are doing their best to help the economy by being paid for a week’s work while doing less than a day’s worth of work.

  198. Eyrie

    “are climate scientists second rate flogs?”
    In truth, second rate is a high level far beyond their grasp.

  199. Knuckle Dragger:

    Someone was telling me yesterday that the B29 Stratofortresses(?) weren’t painted at all except for insignia, and the reason was that the sunlight was said to reflect the sun and thus put off the Jappo fighters

    IIRC it was because of the weight. Aprox. 300kg per plane.

  200. Peter:

    And you can forget about your 700, or even 500 ppm CO2. We are in the process of peaking and it will start to go down again in the next decade or so.

    Oh noes!
    I want CO2 @ 1%, And I want it now!
    *Winston taps angry foot and snarls. Angrily*

  201. pete m

    Dapper Happer is bird or graham on meds.

    It won’t be long before rothchiiiilds makes an appearance.

    On another note the nurses at tweed hospital were lovely save for the wanker male nurse who ripped off my heart monitor leads in 1 go 5-6 at once and left 1 stick on attachment on me in his rush to shift me to recovery ASAP so he could go home.

  202. ZK2A:

    “Here’s the keys to the firetruck, put it out yourselves.”

    Unless they paid for the firetruk, bugger that.
    Leave ’em a couple of hessian bags. They know where the water is.

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