Tuesday Forum: September 10, 2019

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  1. JC

    Tailgunner, ask your mate JC if he will let the Cat punters have one of his NYC apartments for Nov 2020 so we can welcome in the Trump second term in style.

    LOl.. that’s a thought. However the building is deplorable free.

  2. Tailgunner

    Scores a few times with clients,
    JC is Special K, confirmed!!!

  3. Tailgunner

    No, not a strip club.
    Unless …..

  4. JC

    Dude.
    That’s the REAL Catallaxy Party.
    JC – we need to do this next year. Your joint can handle 30 folks for 12 hours of drinking &KD hot dogs?And a massive Trump banner off the terrace?
    Cmon dude… it’ll be Epic

    Let me think about it. It’s one way to finagle a divorce 🙂

  5. Tailgunner

    t. However the building is deplorable free.

    I’m crying man.
    Lol!
    Good stuff

  6. Infidel Tiger

    New Bill Burr on Netfilx.

  7. Tailgunner

    Where do you think we could have a good Melbourne meet?

  8. Gab

    Kittehs all cordially invited of course. But there may be T&A…

    No way I’m going when you lot are wearing your mankinis!

  9. Top Ender

    One presumes of course that the Patron of the Australian Garlic Industry Association is Dracula.

    Surely he will bust her out after midnight tonight?

  10. Empire 5:5

    As an occasional cyclist and pedestrian, I’m not sure why me occasionally commuting not inside a box makes me “lice”. Also, I am not sure which “plague” cyclists are carrying according to you, but I am happy for the rats of the world to stay away from my place. They can live happily ever after elsewhere, for all I care.

    It doesn’t, but you just self declared.

    Lighten up.

  11. calli

    I can knit them up a few modesty patches. Fair Isle or cable.

    It might be chilly.

  12. Old Lefty

    Ah yes, Rachel Griffiths. Remember her and Jon Faine practically 0rgasm1ing on air in 2015 over the burning down of St James’ church in Brighton – good thing too, should be more of it.

    One of the 13 (at least) unsolved arson attacks on churches in and around Melbourne. Vicpol did apprehend one, though: a serial firebug who was silly enough also to attack a police station. And their inbred halfwit provincial cousins (as VicPol) in Tasmania arrested someone within a week of an attack on one of those lovely Pugin churches in central Tasmania. The only possible conclusion is that the failure in the other cases is deliberate and that the Andrews Soviet and their political tools in the police and the OPP have a deliberate policy of tolerating church arson attacks, encouraged by the ABC and Fairfax. Victoria even got a dishonourable mention for this (in the Obama years to boot!) in the US State Department Human Rights Bureau annual report on religious freedom.

    At least Andrews is consistent in his support for vandalising sacred sites – except that Christians don’t even get the pretend respect oozed by Jacinta Allan.

    And I wonder if there is more than the mayor’s political correctness at work in the ABC’s editing out of footage of scantily clad pub3scent girls gyrating in the front rows of Countdown.

  13. Empire 5:5

    No way I’m going when you lot are wearing your mankinis!

    There’s a photo somewhere on social media of me wearing one. NYE 2008.

    Gonadial Comfort Factor =o

  14. calli

    I can’t work out why garlic woman simply didn’t import seed. Easily treated, still viable.

  15. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    I had a quick look and there a few garlic species that are banned as weeds and two that cannot be imported as “their risk cannot be properly assessed”.

    If what she did wrong was simply not to declare, then the prosecutor was just pontificating away with nonsense.

  16. BoN:

    Stricter CO2 emission limits imposed by the EU are pushing Europe’s car industry to the “brink of collapse,” Volkswagen CEO Herbert Diess has warned.

    When this article first appeared last year, I suggested the car owners close their factories for a month. It’s either that, or the Chinese will do it for them in five years time – permanently.
    Somehow there has to be some pressure put on the politicians and the people to just bloody well wake up to themselves.

  17. Geriatric Mayfly

    One trip to Tasmania, I was ordered to pressure hose the outside of the vehicle. Much sullen resistance. There might be lurking, I was told, the potato nematode. My assigned duties were deemed unsatisfactory on three occasions, which prompted me to invite the Officer to take a look in the back and he would see my pet fox. Oh dear!! Barely escaped immediate removal to Port Arthur.

  18. Pickles

    Air BnB specialise in providing party venues I’m told. We need a house with a backyard and high fences. And a barby. Let’s get munted!

  19. Tailgunner

    Empire, how pissed were you?
    Fing exhibitionist!

  20. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Any species not listed as permitted require assessment. They are currently not permitted entry into Australian territory as insufficient information is available on their risk status. Please contact the Import Services Team for an assessment.

    Sure it costs money, but paying high transfer prices when we already pay taxes is not fair.

    As a young researcher, I wanted some data on foreign investment. The ABS had it, I knew the PC had collected it, but they wanted to charge me $75,000.

    I nearly fell off my chair and my boss said he nearly had a heart attack.

    Let’s say you’re researching Biggles and Hawke siding with the abysmal greens, using F-111s to spy on civilians.

    Now imagine if some jumped up twerp tells you that each page of documents will cost you roughly $1 per word of $250 per page.

    You might be inclined to start buying old Commonwealth filing cabinets at the Fyshwick auctions.

  21. Tailgunner

    Let’s get munted!

    Calm down Crazy Steve
    😃

  22. calli

    If what she did wrong was simply not to declare,

    No. It was deliberate, repeated concealment of garlic bulbils.

    Stupid, stupid woman.

    And obviously no regard for her fellow garlic (read all onion family crops) growers. The crop is highly susceptible to all sorts of pathogens.

  23. Tel

    When this article first appeared last year, I suggested the car owners close their factories for a month. It’s either that, or the Chinese will do it for them in five years time – permanently.

    No you don’t get it … the EU wants total control over every person traveling anywhere, and preferably wants people bottled up in cities. It’s documented in Agenda 2030 and like the VW exec explained the end game will be that the plebs don’t get cars … not Chinese cars, not German cars, not cars of any sort.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/road-and-rail-transport/11569453/All-cars-must-have-tracking-devices-to-cut-road-deaths-says-EU.html

    They have already forced all cars to be tracked, everywhere they go. Obviously it won’t reduce road deaths, but it means that if one private citizen visits another private citizen the government knows exactly who, where and when.

  24. Snoopy

    If what she did wrong was simply not to declare, then the prosecutor was just pontificating away with nonsense.

    Ditto an undeclared Chinese pork chop, eh Dot?

  25. JC

    As a young researcher, I wanted some data on foreign investment. The ABS had it, I knew the PC had collected it, but they wanted to charge me $75,000.

    Frank, the ABS website is impossible to navigate. I go to the St Louis Fed for Australian stats.

  26. Empire 5:5

    Empire, how pissed were you?
    Fing exhibitionist!

    I’ve got form.

    Pablo was the king of the party that night, but prob pissed too.

  27. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    I’m not a big gambler, but putting money on Trump has better odds than Money & Trains.

  28. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Ditto an undeclared Chinese pork chop, eh Dot?

    Explain how that is relevant to the discussion calli and I are having.

  29. Geriatric Mayfly

    And obviously no regard for her fellow garlic (read all onion family crops) growers

    Yea verily. My annual crop is doing quite nicely. Harvest time is always a bit of a bind. Plaiting all those leaves, to give my kitchen that trattoria ambience, usually ends in grabbing a length of wire and strangling them into order.

  30. cohenite

    Coalition member Gladys lui on Bolta won’t admit to China’s theft of the Southern china sea; just great.

  31. JC

    Ditto an undeclared Chinese pork chop, eh Dot?

    Can you explain the mechanics how a Chinese pork chop can possibly contaminate? Presumably it’s cooked and the bones etc go into the trash after it’s eaten.

    How is that different to say, a plane coming in from China and the unused food on the plane after the flight is dumped in the trash.

    I know, you despise the Chinese even more than left itself, but try and be objective with your contrast and compare exercise.

  32. Pickles

    Noelsy. A Quiet Australian. Yeah nar yeah.

  33. John Constantine

    TISM headgear for cat booze cruise, just in case the andrewstown facial recognition cameras are operating.

  34. Boambee John

    Des D

    An OAM isn’t even a ‘bronze’. I’d be insulted were I ever – extremely unlikely – to be awarded one.

    Des

    I would be more ashamed to be offered an AO. Most of the OAM recipients are humble individuals who have contributed quietly for many years. Those higher up the scale are more often there because of who they are, not what they have done.

    However, for a well known fillum “star”, you are quite correct. Definitely a slap in the face to be included with the Meals on Wheels and CWA stalwarts.

  35. John64

    Gladys Liu (Liberal Chisholm) being interviewed by Blot. This is the mother of train wreck interviews.

  36. Empire 5:5

    Spencer Tunick, Princes Bridge Melbourne 2001.

    I’m in there somewhere.

    https://www.spencertunick.com/installations/selected-works-2-

  37. Snoopy

    Presumably it’s cooked and the bones etc go into the trash after it’s eaten.

    You are overly presumptuous, tonight, JC.

  38. JC

    You are overly presumptuous, tonight, JC.

    I know. I believe there’s that small glimmer of hope for you, so I’m trying to help.

  39. calli

    I’m told they keep longer if plaited, Mayfly.

    Now I’m picturing you in a striped pullover and beret. Harvesting à la bicyclette.

  40. If what she did wrong was simply not to declare, then the prosecutor was just pontificating away with nonsense.

    She used multiple ebay accounts, instructed vendors to mis-declare the garlic as “office supplies” and asked vendors to break the garlic bulbs into shipments weighing less than 150g so that they would not be subject to an automatic quarantine & biosecurity exam.

  41. Boambee John

    JC

    All leftover food brought into Oz is destroyed under quarantine conditions. Tbat includes leftovers on Navy vessels returning here, and all aircraft coming in.

  42. JC

    All leftover food brought into Oz is destroyed under quarantine conditions.

    Explain the exact mechanics. What happens to the leftovers and where does it end up.

    Tbat includes leftovers on Navy vessels returning here, and all aircraft coming in.

    Okay

  43. JC

    She used multiple ebay accounts, instructed vendors to mis-declare the garlic as “office supplies” and asked vendors to break the garlic bulbs into shipments weighing less than 150g so that they would not be subject to an automatic quarantine & biosecurity exam.

    Damn, she was actually trying to get through the security perimeter. How dare she.

    Of course, you just read up on it and present here as the expert witness. Granted, you try very hard, but it just doesn’t work.

  44. calli

    Onion men

    Happy lot. Apparently they crossed the channel to sell in the East End. The vanguard of the EU.

  45. Boambee John

    On thd subject of jail and other punishments, I think that snyone who uses or threatens violence should spend time in jail.

    White collar criminals should be sentenced to repay the full costs, plus interest, and not be able to discharge the debt in bankrupcty. That would have made it pointless for Bond to put on the mental problems act. He would have been better occupied running an honest business (or trying to) to pay off his debt.

  46. Crossie

    John64
    #3152321, posted on September 10, 2019 at 7:19 pm
    Gladys Liu (Liberal Chisholm) being interviewed by Blot. This is the mother of train wreck interviews.

    Her answer to almost every question was “I’m focussed on representing the people of Chisholm” which must be the political version of name, rank and serial number. She sounded so dodgy that the only impression I formed is that she dared not say a word against her masters in Beijing.

    Of course, she will be ousted at the next election by Labor’s Chinese candidate.

  47. It’s a trade barrier put up to protect the losers in Tasmania. There’s no other reason.

    What autistic dickhead wrote this?
    Some have no understanding whatsoever of the reasons for quarantine.
    They should be jailed, along with the evil bint who imported the suss garlic.

  48. calli

    It’s possible to import seed.

    No need to get all hyperbowlus.

  49. Empire 5:5

    Empire 5:5
    #3152322, posted on September 10, 2019 at 7:19 pm

    Only youthful enthusiasm and rank oneupmanship could have drawn me to lay naked with 4,000 odd others on the cold wet tarmac and steel tram tracks, with some strangers rump inches from my head, that bitter early spring Melbourne morning.

  50. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    I want to know why the prosecutor or reporter found it relevant to remark that the particular allium varieties were susceptible to the bacteria.

    The article is useless in saying what the scientific names are. If it was regular allium sativum, then the prosecutor was bullshitting, there was only one variety.

  51. Boambee John

    JC

    As I understand it, put into a secure container and destroyed under AQIS supervision. Presumably at a very high temperature.

  52. He would have been better occupied running an honest business (or trying to) to pay off his debt.

    He is a “She” @Boambee John.
    The matter has been all over the news today.
    I’m rather surprised the resident foreign affairs & culinary expert isn’t across all the details.
    (Still trying to look up who “Ataturk” is, I suppose)

  53. calli

    Were you part of an art installation, Empire?

    Or just the victim of a Big Night Out?

  54. JC

    White collar criminals should be sentenced to repay the full costs, plus interest, and not be able to discharge the debt in bankrupcty. That would have made it pointless for Bond to put on the mental problems act. He would have been better occupied running an honest business (or trying to) to pay off his debt.

    It’s not that simple these days though. There’s a mountain of rules and regulations. ASIC is now gunning for anyone to tart up after the bank woyal commishion. Corporate governance looks like the Greens party manifesto.

  55. Empire 5:5

    Some have no understanding whatsoever of the reasons for quarantine

    Bio threats are real. So is the history of special interests corrupting regulators.

  56. Tailgunner

    I’m in that clip John.
    The one lighting a smoke…
    😃

  57. Mark A

    calli
    #3152333, posted on September 10, 2019 at 7:30 pm

    Onion men

    Not from Allo Allo?

  58. Bio threats are real. So is the history of special interests corrupting regulators.

    One of those trumps the other.
    Anyone who can’t work out which, should report immediately to a work camp on the road west of the Alice, & be issued a mad mick.

  59. calli

    As far as I know, Dot, there are two types of garlic, soft and hard neck. And a plethora of cultivars.

    A quick way to propagate is to take bulbils. Seed is slower, and has the usual variations, ie. not always true to type.

    If you really wanted genetic variation, seed is the way to go. But it’s the slow, hard road, full of trial and error.

  60. Tailgunner

    Welcome Dapper…
    You’re not some kind of hipster are you?

  61. JC

    He is a “She” @Boambee John.
    The matter has been all over the news today.
    I’m rather surprised the resident foreign affairs & culinary expert isn’t across all the details.
    (Still trying to look up who “Ataturk” is, I suppose)

    Fess up dickhead. You had no idea about this story until you went through the thread, read up on it and then showed up as the know all.
    And what did that achieve?
    Nothing, because you basically described how she got it through as though that was a crime in of itself. Fuck off as you such a transparent dickhead, it’s not funny any more.

    Tell us, seen you buddy, Marcus Adonis recently? Chatted about drilling underagers over a couple of beers?

  62. Tailgunner

    that bitter early spring Melbourne morning.

    Lol, you deserve that shit.
    Thank for your bare ass is now art of some kind.
    Hippiedom…it’s a gateway drug

  63. mh

    Funny, but there’s a movie I read about today (in Drudge I think) based on Scores gals.

    JC, it’s called Hustlers. JLo is in it, but I don’t like her much, even though her body shape I would normally like. The strippers turn the tables on their Wall Street clients. Somehow.

  64. JC

    JC, it’s called Hustlers.

    Yea, that’s it.

    JLo is in it, but I don’t like her much, even though her body shape I would normally like.

    The rear end is far too large for my taste.

    The strippers turn the tables on their Wall Street clients. Somehow.

    Of course they do. Happens all the time 🙂
    I worked with a no-hoper Brit, who for some reason, women always gravitated to and scored a few times at Scores. 🙂

  65. Pickles

    A Sasquatch made me do it.

  66. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Another case of diet based anemia.

    Fat kid only eats white bread, chips and fries.

    Vitamin B12 deficiency.

    In short: Eat meat, dairy and eggs.

  67. Delcon

    After Gladys Liu, Bolta now interviewing Kimberley Kitching who also cannot call the Chinese dictator a “dictator”. (James Patterson, also interviewed, had no problem confirming the term “dictator.)
    Having said that, if ScoMo doesn’t have his head up his backside, he should make sure he gets rid of this, the Liberals’ answer to Sam Dastiyari by the next election.
    Didn’t think the Liberals will fall for bribery from Beijing as Labor has, but here we are.

  68. Top Ender

    Vale distinguished writer, intellectual, and retired solicitor Hal Colebatch.

    I worked with him a bit over the years. A very nicely-mannered pleasant bloke.

  69. Geriatric Mayfly

    Too late now for husbanders of the pungent one. But at next winter solstice get busy. Make a shallow impression with a broom handle and sit the clove upright in it almost exposed. Do not bury. Harvest when leaves begin to wilt and yellow – before it gets a chance to flower. You are now destined to to be forever fragrant.

  70. calli

    You are now destined to to be forever fragrant.

    And vampire free.

    Perhaps those illicit Romanian bulbils had a special secret.

  71. Bruce of Newcastle

    I’m sure the kindly Russians, Romanians, Turks and Bulgarians will help import lots and lots of cheap Chinese cars into the EU. They’re nice like that.

  72. Boambee John

    Socrates

    He is a “She” @Boambee John.

    I was referring to Alan Bond and his “I know nuffink” act.

    Unlees Bondy has had a posthumous sex change?

  73. Yeah, sorry abt that Boambee. My fault.
    It did seem at first read that you were commenting on the garlic thread.
    Re sexchange: There’s plenty would cheerfully have turned Bondy from a rooster to a hen, with an Old Timer & no pain relief – but that wasn’t the topic.

  74. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    The rear end is far too large for my taste.

    so you prefer your rear ends tight?

  75. RBA blames Baby Boomers for low interest rates

    Well, that’s Climate Change & Donald Trump both off the hook for that one anyway.

  76. JC

    I’m sure the kindly Russians, Romanians, Turks and Bulgarians will help import lots and lots of cheap Chinese cars into the EU. They’re nice like that.

    It’s the reverse, Bruce. Cars are stolen in the EU and driven to those countries.

  77. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Foreign students abandon Western Australia

    exclusive
    Victoria Laurie
    Senior Reporter
    36 minutes ago September 10, 2019
    6 Comments

    Foreign students are deserting Western Australia as a place to study, and education experts say the commonwealth’s new incentive scheme for students to move to regional cities is likely to be the nail in the coffin for the industry.

    Perth-based colleges and universities are reporting a substantial downturn in students opting to come to the state, with TAFE enrolments down nearly 60 per cent on 2015 and WA’s intake of foreign fee-paying students dropping from 11 per cent of total market share to only 5 per cent.

    Experts say the problem lies in the state’s ineligibility to offer a new range of incentives under proposed changes to immigration and population policy changes, announced in March by Prime Minister Scott Morrison and due to be rolled out in November.

    Under new federal measures for visa-holding students who may want to stay on after graduation, students can apply for a new post-study work visa if they complete their degree in all regional areas except Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane, the Gold Coast and Perth.

    The aim is to address congestion in major cities and redistribute fee-paying foreign students to less populated parts of Australia. Incentives include a $15,000 scholarship, an extra year of work rights added to their visa, and the promise of fast-tracked visa processing.

    Study Perth chief executive Phil Payne said WA’s education industry suffered its first blow in 2017 when the Labor government asked the commonwealth to remove the state from the Regional Sponsored Migration Scheme, upholding an election promise to protect jobs for local workers.

    The removal of regional status denied foreign students access to five extra visa points that could be claimed for studying in a regional area.

    Perth was trailing other states in its international student intake, Mr Payne said. “This commonwealth measure gives a further disincentive to choose Perth and puts it at a further competitive disadvantage,” he said.

    Mr Payne said the state government launched an action plan in October last year to remedy the drop in student numbers, with an additional $4.5m across three years for recruitment drives. “But without new policy settings, changing student expectations will be compromised,” he said.

    Breaking, from the Oz.

  78. JC

    RBA blames Baby Boomers for low interest rates

    Sure, three years of not even being close to reaching the mandated inflation target and it’s the boomers fault.

    It’s mind-boggling just how bad is Philip Lowe. The RBA can achieve the target at will and he’s still running around blaming everyone else.

  79. Cassie of Sydney

    “In short: Eat meat, dairy and eggs.”

    Agree Frank. The trashing of the western diet over the last fifty years by dieticians and “food scientists”who have propagated such absurdities as the Healthy Food Pyramid has been catastrophic and nothing short of criminal.

  80. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    A Man Watches Two More Chubby Emu Videos

    He is terrified to eat anything in his fridge, or that hasn’t been cooked.

  81. Empire 5:5

    Lol, you deserve that shit.
    Thank for your bare ass is now art of some kind.
    Hippiedom…it’s a gateway drug

    I like undercover work.

    Let’s talk about the tail I collected from the experience. I got sick of telling the Spencer Tunick story, but they didn’t. Sumfink bout feelz.

  82. Nick

    Foreign students are deserting Western Australia

    Apparently the Unis there are just offering degrees with the usual standards applied

  83. Infidel Tiger

    Foreign students are deserting Western Australia

    Gets better here everyday.

    Now we just need to raze the universities.

  84. Bruce of Newcastle

    It’s the reverse, Bruce.

    JC – No self respecting feral car rebirther is going to send a stolen electric Volkswagen to Turkey. No market.

    But if the EU forces local carmakers to meet crazy CO2 emissions standards then Turkey will cheerfully send much cheaper Chinese cars to fill the market demand for vehicles that cost less than a house and can actually travel further than to the shops, especially in winter. The EU isn’t going to ban and confiscate them and risk pissing off the Chinese.

    Yep the conduit now goes east, but can be reversed if necessary. That’s why EU car makers are in a Catch 22 situation – they can’t do what the mad mullahs of the EU Commission tell them to do and they dare not defy them in case of stupendous fines, bigger than the diesel scam ones.

    I suspect the European carmakers will eventually all decamp to someplace else and shut their local production.

  85. Arky

    Seven y.o. is working her way through those stupid Harry Potter books, so beloved of middle- aged frumps and other idiots.
    Oh well, at least she is reading a sort of adult level book I thought to meself.
    So I thought I would show her how to use the phone to check words she might not know the meaning or pronunciation thereof.
    Started flicking through Harry Potter and the Wretched Pile of Shit or whatever it’s called for an example of a word that someone of the age of seven might find a challenge.
    Flick.
    Flick Flick.
    Flick Flick Flick Flick Flick.
    Nothing.
    Just monosyllabic simplistic drivel.
    How much did that tart end up making writing that shit?

  86. John Constantine

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/5450679/darts-walk-on-girls-slam-bosses/

    She said: “What we are seeing is a broader social change that sees these roles as – if not demeaning to the individual, because this is an argument that it’s a choice of some of these ladies – it’s demeaning broadly to women.

    “This is a structural change we are seeing with the Grammys, and I think Formula One will come.

    “I think the key here is that it’s a sort of decorative role that’s making money for men.

    “And you have to remember that this tradition has only been there since the 1990s. It’s no kind of old tradition, it only came about when the PDC was trying to set itself up saying they were going to do something loaded, quite sensationalist.

    “Every social change has people who suffer from it. But it doesn’t mean that the change is not necessary.

    Every social change has people that suffer for it, but you can’t make an omelette without breaking eggs, so proles suffering for the Cultural Revolution is just statistics compared to the Greater Good.

    Whenever a wanker begins to rabbit on about individual suffering being meaningless compared to the greater good of the Revolution, hand them a damn good Tony Soprano, because up until then the lefty is simply jostling for the very real benefits of being a lickspittle for the elite ‘Ton’, and suffering is nothing but an abstract concept that happens to others.

    The lefty journalist gloating as the darts ‘ walk on girls’ lose their jobs is the winner, and this victory this day requires even more suffering from the ‘Others’ for the greater good of the cultural revolution tomorrow.

  87. Cassie of Sydney

    Here’s another garlic smuggling story….

    “Operation Garlic: The mission that saw British special forces smuggle in bulbs to stop the remainder of the French Navy kicking up a stink over ‘bland’ British food

    British Special Operations Executives (SOE) were dispatched to smuggle garlic into the UK from the grasps of Hitler’s forces to help save the spirits of the wavering French navy during the Second World War, it has emerged.

    In 1942, around 300 French sailors moaned to Bill Spidy, the landlord of the Painters Arms, a pub on their base in the Isle of Wight, that the sausage, mash and boiled cabbage they were being served was too bland.

    Mr Spidy was told by the French soldiers that they could not fight unless they had garlic, and so the landlord embarked on a mission to ensure the troops could be fed well enough to take the fight to the Nazis.

    After an unsuccessful search to find garlic on the island, Mr Spidy contacted the Special Operations Executive at RAF Tangmere in Sussex, home to the ‘Cloak and Dagger Squadron’. They took the request seriously and Churchill’s forces launched Operation Achilles.

    British double-agent Mary Lindell was involved in the covert mission on October 27 1942, to bring garlic from the fields of Clermont-Ferrand to be grown back on the Isle of Wight.

    Guided only by dim torches, Flight Officer John Bridger landed his unarmed Lysander in a field near Clermont-Ferrand, at the base of the Central France Mountains shortly after midnight.

    Ms Lindell and a male spy hopped out but are believed to have kept watch as Bridger waited for a farmer to bring the precious cargo to the aircraft.

    The cargo was eventually brought back to the Isle of Wight, where Mr Spidy, head of the local gardening club, cultivated it on his farm for French soldiers to enjoy.

    The once-downbeat troops would later play an integral role in the D-Day landings.

    The story of the covert operation may have been missed had it not been for Liz Holland, a member of the Women’s Auxiliary Air Force who said she could not forget the distinct smell coming from bags at the control tower in Tangmere.

    Ms Holland, now in her 90s, contacted Colin Boswell, the owner of the Garlic Farm near to where Mr Spidy cultivated his own herbs, to establish how it had come to the island.

    She said she only realised what the strange smell when cooking with the herb became popular in the UK in the 1980s, with foods like garlic bread and chicken kievs hitting the market.

    Mr Boswell said: ”She still remembered the garlic because they were not used to it at the time and it was such a strange smell. My mother started growing garlic in the kitchen garden in the Fifties. Bill Spidy continued as publican and died around 1974.

    The Garlic Farm is 50 acres strong and produces 150 tonnes of the herb each year. A festival celebrating garlic is held on the island has become a popular destination with tourists”

  88. JC

    Bruce

    I wasn’t talking about electric cars. Just how the “export” flow is streaming out of the EU. 🙂

    Ford is likely to lose its investment grade and move into junk status

  89. Empire 5:5

    Yep the conduit now goes east, but can be reversed if necessary. That’s why EU car makers are in a Catch 22 situation – they can’t do what the mad mullahs of the EU Commission tell them to do and they dare not defy them in case of stupendous fines, bigger than the diesel scam ones.

    There is an island off the coast of France that may be interested in flooding the continent with British made.

    Watch the news.

  90. Arky

    RBA blames Baby Boomers for low interest rates

    ..
    Why not?
    They’ve comprehensively rogered every other puckered thing in the whole world.

  91. Black Ball

    Austin Powers – The Spy Who Shagged Me. Possibly the best opening to a mooovie ever concocted.

  92. Black Ball

    Silence! I will not tolerate your insolence!

  93. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Scientist Says Cannibalism May Be A Solution To Climate Change, Nah I’m Good

  94. JC

    Why not?
    They’ve comprehensively rogered every other puckered thing in the whole world.

    Explain exactly how boomers have done this? I’m really interested in seeing the mechanics just how a country that’s run a current account deficit until last month – which by definition means it has been short of savings, can have very low interest rates because a of population segment.

  95. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    https://catholiccitizens.org/news/88887/stemexpress-ceo-admits-selling-beating-baby-hearts-intact-baby-heads-in-daleiden-merritt-hearing/

    He was selling futures contracts on dead baby hearts.

    RTWT in the context of the Tim Pool video above.

  96. Bruce of Newcastle

    I wasn’t talking about electric cars.

    JC – If you looked at the story we’ve been discussing you will see the European car makers are screwed. They’ll have a choice of selling very high priced golf carts, fake it again or leave. Car makers in countries which don’t worship Gaia will eat their lunch.

    Stricter CO2 emission limits imposed by the EU are pushing Europe’s car industry to the “brink of collapse,” Volkswagen CEO Herbert Diess has warned. Diess lamented that the EU’s campaign against conventional petrol cars was “threatening the very existence” of Germany’s car industry. “The current campaign against individual mobility and thus against conventional cars is reaching existence-threatening proportions.” –GWPF & Spiegel Online, 18 October 2018

    It’s from last year but we’ve been discussing it. Paul Homewood put it up on his blog again with the following Bloomberg story from yesterday:

    BMW & Co Are Losing Their Allure, and That’s Got Germany Worried (9 Sep)

    Autos have made Germany into a global manufacturing powerhouse, but pollution concerns — intensified by Volkswagen AG’s 2015 diesel-cheating scandal — have sullied the reputation of a product that once embodied individual freedom. More recently, trade woes and slowing economies have hit demand. The consequence is Germany’s car production slumping to the lowest level since at least 2010.

    It won’t just be country shoppers coming over the border from the east. Brm brm!

  97. max

    I don’t buy the tidal wave of stories about the mental health crisis for retired footballers. It’s just a new and growing career path for blokes with crook knees.

  98. Bruce of Newcastle

    Ford is likely to lose its investment grade and move into junk status

    Did yesterday. Join the Chrysler and GM club guys!

    Crashing Angel: Moody’s Downgrades Ford, And Its $84 Billion In Debt, To Junk (9 Sep)

  99. Arky

    Explain exactly how boomers have done this?

    ..
    1957 was the year that produced the most boomers.
    Let’s compare the world before and after boomer:
    ..
    1956
    ..
    2019.

  100. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    BILL BURR

    JOE ROGAN

    It won’t be as epic as the Alex Jones one.

    I forgiven him too for the Neil de Grasse Tyson interview.

    de Grasse Tyson actually slyly made an argument against sea-level rise.

  101. Tel

    Car makers in countries which don’t worship Gaia will eat their lunch.

    That will not be allowed. This is about eliminating cars … competition is irrelevant.

  102. C.L.

    Chutzpah: Remainers crying “shame!” over the alleged disrespecting of democracy …

  103. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Crashing Angel: Moody’s Downgrades Ford, And Its $84 Billion In Debt, To Junk

    Moodys are incompetent shills working in a sheltered workshop who reckoned that the Obama stimulus was going to save the world.

  104. Crossie

    Started flicking through Harry Potter and the Wretched Pile of Shit or whatever it’s called for an example of a word that someone of the age of seven might find a challenge.
    Flick.
    Flick Flick.
    Flick Flick Flick Flick Flick.
    Nothing.
    Just monosyllabic simplistic drivel.
    How much did that tart end up making writing that shit?

    I read somewhere that she pocketed over a billion.

  105. Arky

    For someone my age, we look at old movies from the 30’s, 40’s and 50’s and see this time of elegance and proper behaviour. Even in candid street scenes you can see how well dressed the common folk are. How good the postures and how nice the architecture etc.
    Then you look around at today.
    And it makes you angry at the idiots who threw it all away.

  106. JC

    Bruce

    The car business is fucked, I think. If they go to electric they basically selling virtually commodity products because an electric motor is no biggie. Also they are being squeezed because kids don’t care for cars very much and when they do buy them they are extremely price conscious. Electric also mean very low maintenance costs.

    Where do they differentiate -the interior and the options? Big deal.
    And subscription is coming. Jaguar is now offering a monthly rent of about 380 bucks a months with insurance, maintenance and other shit all added in. You can give back the car at any time (month) and it’s not a lease.

    They’re fucked.

    They are worth a serious short. I’m predicting one major carmaker will be in trouble in the next 24 months.

  107. Infidel Tiger

    Chutzpah: Remainers crying “shame!” over the alleged disrespecting of democracy …

    Johnson is a fascist dictator who wants to respect the result of a referendum and also call an election.

    Pure bastardry.

  108. Delcon

    Chutzpah: Remainers crying “shame!” over the alleged disrespecting of democracy …

    Two wrongs don’t make a right, C.L.
    The fact that the Tories were unable to implement Brexit in three long years does not give them the right to prorogue parliament.

  109. JC

    1957 was the year that produced the most boomers.
    Let’s compare the world before and after boomer:
    ..
    1956
    ..
    2019.

    Fair enough. I totally concede.

  110. C.L.

    For someone my age, we look at old movies from the 30’s, 40’s and 50’s and see this time of elegance and proper behaviour. Even in candid street scenes you can see how well dressed the common folk are. How good the postures and how nice the architecture etc.
    Then you look around at today.
    And it makes you angry at the idiots who threw it all away.

    My feelings exactly.
    The modern West is a revoltingly ugly toilet.

  111. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Also they are being squeezed because kids don’t care for cars very much and when they do buy them they are extremely price conscious.

    Millenials got turned into their great grandparents (and less so, grandparents) in the GFC.

    FIRE is a bit cultish, but I like it.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIRE_movement

    Shills don’t like it.

    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/heres-why-you-shouldnt-retire-super-early-even-if-you-can-2018-08-30

  112. Crossie

    Arky
    #3152402, posted on September 10, 2019 at 9:01 pm
    For someone my age, we look at old movies from the 30’s, 40’s and 50’s and see this time of elegance and proper behaviour. Even in candid street scenes you can see how well dressed the common folk are. How good the postures and how nice the architecture etc.
    Then you look around at today.
    And it makes you angry at the idiots who threw it all away.

    It’s sad to look back and realise that Western culture’s golden age is behind us and nothing but grinding hardship ahead totally due to imbeciles among us.

    We tolerated the hippies and even indulged them thinking they couldn’t do much harm being as disorganised as they were and now look at what they wrought.

  113. C.L.

    The fact that the Tories were unable to implement Brexit in three long years does not give them the right to prorogue parliament.

    Why not? What’s so special about parliament? Oh that’s right – it’s where members give voice to the wishes of the people; I forgot.

  114. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    I thought conservatives would have blown up a bit more that I mentioned an academic talking about cannibalism and Planned Parenthood selling intact fetus heads, both hitting the news within a few days of each other.

    Oh well. Some things are no longer shocking.

  115. Crossie

    Two wrongs don’t make a right, C.L.
    The fact that the Tories were unable to implement Brexit in three long years does not give them the right to prorogue parliament.

    Yes it does. I prefer the current upheaval which promises a resolution at some point rather than Theresa May’s undermining of the electorate that looked like stretching into infinity.

  116. Black Ball

    In my mind, BoJo has lifted the mask of the clowns in Britain, much like Trump. Corbyn, his fellow travellers, and indeed the Democrats, have no redeeming qualities. Anti Semite, jackboot wearing thugs but dressed in Armani suits. Antifa want to let blood spill, sure. It won’t be their opponents however.

  117. C.L.

    Don’t even get me started on cars.
    Every single car produced today is an ugly pile of crap.
    One of my favourite YouTube pastimes is watching Jay Leno’s Garage. He’s far more interesting on this channel than he was as a talk-show host.
    I love the mid-century Chryslers. Some of them were not far off the price of a Rolls at the time.

  118. C.L.

    And one of my all-time favourite cars of all time: 1972 Mercedes 600 Kompressor.
    Only the Germans could have built this incredible machine.

  119. Delcon

    Nothing shocks anymore, Frank.

    Another rare occasion when I agree with JC.

    And, C.L.:

    Why not? What’s so special about parliament? Oh that’s right – it’s where members give voice to the wishes of the people; I forgot.

    Us conservatives do not think that the system works perfectly. We are just not anarchistic fuckwits. We understand that the alternative, namely anarchy or chaos, is far more evil. Play by the rules.
    “The end justifies the means”, is Bolshevik bullshit.
    Brexit is every bit as important to the future of Britain, Europe and the World as you believe it to be.
    But neither it, nor anything else, “justifies the means”. Ever. That’s conservatism.

  120. Crossie

    Black Ball
    #3152418, posted on September 10, 2019 at 9:15 pm
    In my mind, BoJo has lifted the mask of the clowns in Britain, much like Trump.

    He lifted some rocks in his own party and a whole heap of invertebrates crawled out, including his own brother. It fills me with glee that all of them will lose their seats at the next election and no prospect of a sinecure in Brussels.

  121. C.L.

    And one of my all-time favourite cars of all time

  122. Crossie

    .L.
    #3152419, posted on September 10, 2019 at 9:16 pm
    Don’t even get me started on cars.
    Every single car produced today is an ugly pile of crap.

    They all look the same, the only thing that distinguishes one make from another is the badge.

  123. Crossie

    Rita Panahi described Gladys Lou’s interview on Bolt as a car crash, I would characterise it as a train wreck.

  124. C.L.

    But neither it, nor anything else, “justifies the means”. Ever. That’s conservatism.

    You can have it. Benedict Arnold was a conservative. George Washington wasn’t. You could say George prorogued the living shit out of the British Parliament.

    It’s the unwillingness of conservatives to brawl in the street that has lost half of what used to be a Civilisation. These are the same people who tell us to respect the Victorian appeals court. I don’t respect it at all. It should be overthrown.

  125. I read somewhere that she pocketed over a billion.

    & still pocketing it Crossie.
    er… that’s a billion £ Sterling, btw.

  126. Steve trickler

    Arky
    #3152402, posted on September 10, 2019 at 9:01 pm
    For someone my age, we look at old movies from the 30’s, 40’s and 50’s and see this time of elegance and proper behaviour. Even in candid street scenes you can see how well dressed the common folk are. How good the postures and how nice the architecture etc.
    Then you look around at today.
    And it makes you angry at the idiots who threw it all away.



  127. MatrixTransform

    He said a 5 degree change in angle made a 10 fold improvement in output.

    dont think so.
    proportional to the cosine of the angle of incidence

  128. Crossie

    It’s the unwillingness of conservatives to brawl in the street that has lost half of what used to be a Civilisation. These are the same people who tell us to respect the Victorian appeals court. I don’t respect it at all. It should be overthrown.

    That’s what was so disheartening about Liberals in recent times particularly during Malcolm’s prime ministership, nothing seemed worth his while to fight for or defend. Cory Bernardi looked like he was ready to rumble, I join his party and then he wimps out. Where to now?

  129. Tel

    proportional to the cosine of the angle of incidence

    You aren’t counting for cell temperature … if changing the angle of the cell opens up more room for air to circulate then the cooling effect of the air will be more significant than the angle of incidence. There’s an advantage of putting the cell right against the roof, in as much as it’s easier to install and if you do get a storm then it becomes more difficult for the wind to get under and rip the thing off again. The downside is that to achieve cooling you need air circulation.

    If nothing else, this whole exercise has been an experiment in technology deployment … a slightly expensive experiment.

  130. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Crossie re Gladys Liu on Bolt – ‘the political version of name, rank and serial number’ – cracked me up. Bolt in heavy and legitimate pursuit, but imho went a little OTT re the ‘dictator’ word. Neither James Patterson nor Kimberley Kitchen would commit to that word either. Note that Patterson did not commit to it himself, he merely said he would not argue with Bolt if that was a term Bolt chose to use. Kimberley took ten times as long to show even less desire to come anywhere near the ‘D’ word. The power of China has them all running for cover. Hairy wonders if Liu has relatives in HK or China who need protecting. We do indeed live in Confucian times.

  131. JC

    Delcon
    #3152422, posted on September 10, 2019 at 9:18 pm

    Nothing shocks anymore, Frank.

    Another rare occasion when I agree with JC.

    You don’t realize what it means you agreeing me. Not!

    You may have watched Q&A too much and caught on the leftie trick of uttering the same putdown first before agreeing with the horrible right-winger. Doesn’t work pal as I don’t really care if you do.

  132. dover_beach

    But neither it, nor anything else, “justifies the means”. Ever. That’s conservatism.

    You can have it. Benedict Arnold was a conservative. George Washington wasn’t. You could say George prorogued the living shit out of the British Parliament.

    It’s the unwillingness of conservatives to brawl in the street that has lost half of what used to be a Civilisation. These are the same people who tell us to respect the Victorian appeals court. I don’t respect it at all. It should be overthrown.

    Indeed, too many conservatives have made a fetish out of proceduralism, in part out of an unwillingness to actually defend anything of substance.

  133. Delcon

    It’s the unwillingness of conservatives to brawl in the street that has lost half of what used to be a Civilisation. These are the same people who tell us to respect the Victorian appeals court. I don’t respect it at all. It should be overthrown.

    I spit on the Victorian appeals court for them keeping Cardinal Pell locked up.
    But, in this society of ours, I (still) can, as can you, go out to the streets with a huge sign saying “Pell is Innocent!”, and shouting off the top of my lungs, “Free Cardinal Pell already, you scumbags!”, which is exactly what I feel like doing. But I haven’t done so yet. Maybe because I’m a wimp. I don’t know.
    Our system is imperfect, and sometimes evil, as is evident by the fate of the good Cardinal.
    It’s just that the alternative is far more evil. It has been tried. Look up the French Revolution or the Bolshevist Revolution for how that turned out.

  134. Cassie of Sydney

    “Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
    #3152434, posted on September 10, 2019 at 9:36 pm
    Crossie re Gladys Liu on Bolt – ‘the political version of name, rank and serial number’ – cracked me up. Bolt in heavy and legitimate pursuit, but imho went a little OTT re the ‘dictator’ word. Neither James Patterson nor Kimberley Kitchen would commit to that word either. Note that Patterson did not commit to it himself, he merely said he would not argue with Bolt if that was a term Bolt chose to use. Kimberley took ten times as long to show even less desire to come anywhere near the ‘D’ word. The power of China has them all running for cover. Hairy wonders if Liu has relatives in HK or China who need protecting. We do indeed live in Confucian times.”

    Agree Lizzie…I thought that Bolt was a little over the top…I wouldn’t mind if Bolt treated all his guests like he treated Gladys but he doesn’t. He is rather selective. Sometimes he wants to ingratiate himself with guests who are of the left persuasion and he delights in fellating them.

  135. JC

    Anyone been keeping an eye on the latest Darwinian evolution debate? It appears that a bunch academics have grown a sack and attacked Darwin evolution at its core – by suggesting that it is impossible because random selection could never have created the level of complexity that goes into creating a cell. They do it through math. Most of them are not suggesting any other theory as they claim not to know, but what they do know is that Darwinian evolution is a mathematical impossibility. They are suggest that because life is so incredibly complex, it’s very likely we’re alone and the universe is dead.

  136. Cassie of Sydney

    “Indeed, too many conservatives have made a fetish out of proceduralism, in part out of an unwillingness to actually defend anything of substance.”

    Yep….and we wonder why the left are running amok.

  137. Cassie of Sydney

    “They are suggest that because life is so incredibly complex, it’s very likely we’re alone and the universe is dead.”

    I’ve heard this theory before JC.

  138. Crossie

    The power of China has them all running for cover. Hairy wonders if Liu has relatives in HK or China who need protecting. We do indeed live in Confucian times.

    Paul Keating finally got his wish, we are the poor trash of Asia now and dare not raise our gaze to the overlord.

  139. JC

    Arky

    I’d ignore the Discovery Institute dude, however the other two are the real McCoy.

  140. Arky

    Discovery Institute dude

    ..
    The slouchy one with the stupid cane?

  141. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    You can see adaptation occur within a short timeframe.

    Darwin is fine but that is if it is considered with Lamarckian adaptation.

    The mathematics favour a universe teeming with life.

    100 billion galaxies with 100 billion stars in them all.

    The whole universe may be 250 times bigger than the known universe at a minimum, or it could possibly be infinitely large.

  142. twostix

    But neither it, nor anything else, “justifies the means”. Ever. That’s conservatism.

    lol what is this, 2004? Do you wear a bowtie and still read national review?

    cuckerservstatism is over thank god.

  143. JC

    The slouchy one with the stupid cane?

    Lol.. no, he’s supposed to be one of the serious ones. The one (our) left is the Discovery Institute guy.

  144. dover_beach

    One of my favourite photos. Two farmers kneeling as the Eucharist is transported by the parish priest to the sick.

  145. Crossie

    Cassie of Sydney
    #3152440, posted on September 10, 2019 at 9:47 pm
    “Indeed, too many conservatives have made a fetish out of proceduralism, in part out of an unwillingness to actually defend anything of substance.”

    Yep….and we wonder why the left are running amok.

    The left at least have the conviction to pursue what they want, the so-called conservatives don’t because they don’t really believe in any conservative principles. Most of the public conservatives are actually professional conservatives, its their job and not a characteristic.

  146. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    by suggesting that it is impossible because random selection could never have created the level of complexity that goes into creating a cell.

    Not really relevant. Multicellular organisms have mitochondria. They were possibly another bug once.

    Symbiosis really puts the Darwinists and anti-Darwinists in their place.

  147. Knuckle Dragger

    Golf is a stupid pastime and should be banned, and all courses turned into skid pans and/or car parks.

    Sigh. Until next week when I have another crack.

  148. MatrixTransform

    You aren’t counting for cell temperature

    maybe … isnt it about 0.1 % per °C

    when the ambient is 45 and the panel is 65 … whats the difference ?

    way back in the way back, I wrote programs to make mirrored concentrators track the sun

    tracking on a roof top is gonna highlight a few issues with shading and the ripping-offed-ness in the wind thing.

  149. egg_

    Coalition member Gladys lui on Bolta won’t admit to China’s theft of the Southern china sea;

    Quelle surprise.
    Happily sings along to the CAGW hymn book on Teh Dumb tonight.

    Liberal MP Gladys Liu refuses to say China’s actions in South China Sea unlawful

  150. Crossie

    The whole universe may be 250 times bigger than the known universe at a minimum, or it could possibly be infinitely large.

    What if it’s actually smaller than we think? If space is curved could we be viewing the same objects from different angles?

  151. Cassie of Sydney

    “Crossie
    #3152453, posted on September 10, 2019 at 9:56 pm

    The left at least have the conviction to pursue what they want, the so-called conservatives don’t because they don’t really believe in any conservative principles. Most of the public conservatives are actually professional conservatives, its their job and not a characteristic.

    Nailed it…..an example of this lack of conviction by so-called conservatives was Abbott and the Liberals’ abandonment of their promise to get rid of Section 18C.

  152. Infidel Tiger

    Johnson has every right to prorogue parliament.

    It is only the elite scum who are ignoring the will of the people who are up in arms.

    Delcon strikes me as a Whig xunt.

  153. twostix

    Mr Spidy was told by the French soldiers that they could not fight unless they had garlic, and so the landlord embarked on a mission to ensure the troops could be fed well enough to take the fight to the Nazis.

    The French quietly didn’t mind Germany ruling them and the continent at all.

  154. Zyconoclast

    Under new federal measures for visa-holding students who may want to stay on after graduation, students can apply for a new post-study work visa if they complete their degree in all regional areas except Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane, the Gold Coast and Perth.

    The aim is to address congestion in major cities and redistribute fee-paying foreign students to less populated parts of Australia. Incentives include a $15,000 scholarship, an extra year of work rights added to their visa, and the promise of fast-tracked visa processing.

    I thought the purpose of fee paying foreign students was to give money to Australian Universities. Looks like the taxpayer is giving foreign students a hand out.
    Just another arm of the mass immigration Ponzi scam.

  155. MatrixTransform

    If space is curved

    what can’t we see that might be able to see us?

  156. JC

    Dapper

    The Darwinian escape valve has always been to rely on the comfort of the ocean of time. ~4 billion years is enough, they say, to create this level of complexity. Well no, it doesn’t according to these guys.

    I’m perfectly comfortable with the idea that we simply don’t know and may never know.

    In fact the further we advance the more obvious it becomes we really don’t know… like a lot.

    Just the other day, I read that a group of scientists have found an area of space.. or something like that… which is older than the universe itself. If that’s asserted, then what becomes of the big bang?

  157. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Golf is a stupid pastime and should be banned, and all courses turned into skid pans and/or car parks.

    “Golf is a superior form of exercise, marred only by the need to hit the ball.” Ulysses Simpson Grant, POTUS – it was said of him, that he was so tone deaf that he knew only two tunes “One of which was “Yankee Doodle” and the other wasn’t.”

  158. Crossie

    The French quietly didn’t mind Germany ruling them and the continent at all.

    They still don’t. Macron may be shooting his mouth off at the British but he speaks what Frau Angela prescribes.

  159. twostix

    One gets the feeling that the French were kind of irritated at having to pretend to fight against Germany.

    Kind of a big brother / little brother thing going on there.

  160. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    What if it’s actually smaller than we think? If space is curved could we be viewing the same objects from different angles?

    You can observe the precession of stellar objects rather easily.

  161. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘Mr Spidy was told by the French soldiers that they could not fight unless they had garlic, and so the landlord embarked on a mission to ensure the troops could be fed well enough to take the fight to the Nazis.’

    What absolute poltroonery.

    Spidey should have thrown them into the Channel and told them to fuck off back to their Vichy mates and Cherman overlords.

    ‘could not fight unless they had garlic’. Stupidest excuse ever.

  162. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Scientist Says Cannibalism May Be A Solution To Climate Change

    I’m game, I have a big oven, not sure this scientist will fit in one piece though.

  163. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Just the other day, I read that a group of scientists have found an area of space.. or something like that… which is older than the universe itself

    Bloody intriguing.

  164. twostix

    The aim is to address congestion in major cities and redistribute fee-paying foreign students to less populated parts of Australia.

    Lucky for you regional Australia, you’re about to get some Mandatory Diversity.

  165. Crossie

    The aim is to address congestion in major cities and redistribute fee-paying foreign students to less populated parts of Australia. Incentives include a $15,000 scholarship, an extra year of work rights added to their visa, and the promise of fast-tracked visa processing.

    Some years ago it used to be that they would get a resident visa if they completed two degrees, now we are paying them for the second one. What is wrong with our government?

  166. JC

    You can see adaptation occur within a short timeframe.

    Those dudes are fine with that. The problem they have is mutation from one species to another.

    The mathematics favour a universe teeming with life.

    I’m not so sure.

    100 billion galaxies with 100 billion stars in them all.

    Sure and I can show you 7 Quintilian specs of sand ( estimated the earth holds) and none are alive and kicking. They are all the same with slight variations to each other.

    The whole universe may be 250 times bigger than the known universe at a minimum, or it could possibly be infinitely large.

    Sure. But I think it’s all dead, which is great because it means we have a ton of real estate to play with…. if we can survive gerbil warming 🙂

  167. Lazlo

    They are essentially advocating Intelligent Design , JC.

    It is an example of the “skyhook” or “swerve” theory whereby, if you are unable to attribute something to a rational cause, then it must be due to some extrinsic design and planning, a God, a Gaia, whatever.

    Matt Ridley covers all this and more in his excellent book: The Evolution of Everything, which should be compulsory reading in schools.

  168. C.L.

    Two farmers kneeling as the Eucharist is transported by the parish priest to the sick.

    I guess neither of them was a “Special Minister.”

  169. MatrixTransform

    iesu christo … my missus has 2 degrees

    can’t cook

    and can only do math when there’s a sale at David Jones

  170. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘What if it’s actually smaller than we think? If space is curved could we be viewing the same objects from different angles?’

    NO. No no no. Don’t go down this path again, I beseech you.

    If Dover and Beaugy find out about this, that’s the thread done till Sunday.

  171. Crossie

    twostix
    #3152474, posted on September 10, 2019 at 10:09 pm
    The aim is to address congestion in major cities and redistribute fee-paying foreign students to less populated parts of Australia.

    Lucky for you regional Australia, you’re about to get some Mandatory Diversity.

    Only until they get their permanent residency and then Eastwood here we come.

  172. twostix

    redistribute fee-paying foreign students to less populated parts of Australia.

    The government will now redistribute foreign people to the places white people have fled the cities and went to in order to get away from the foreign people flooding their cities.

    There is no escape. One day you’ll have to stop running, you know.

  173. MatrixTransform

    …which is great because it means we have a ton of real estate to play with…

    going into the rag trade making space suits in Real Estate Agent Blue

  174. JC

    They are essentially advocating Intelligent Design , JC.

    It’s hard to escape that too because they find it so incredibly complex, so therefore it had to be designed rather than randomly selected.

    It is an example of the “skyhook” or “swerve” theory whereby, if you are unable to attribute something to a rational cause, then it must be due to some extrinsic design and planning, a God, a Gaia, whatever.

    Two of them don’t believe in God at all.

    Matt Ridley covers all this and more in his excellent book: The Evolution of Everything, which should be compulsory reading in schools.

    How does Matt deal with the Cambrian Explosion. That alone does a decent job of refuting Darwin.

  175. dover_beach

    Scientist Says Cannibalism May Be A Solution To Climate Change

    My take is they are testing the waters. Note what they consider points of weakness, i.e. their characterization of the prohibition as a taboo and therefore as ‘conservative’ and ‘irrational’.

  176. twostix

    What is wrong with our government?

    It doesn’t belong to us anymore.

    That’s ok, we made it and we can throw it away and start again if we want.

  177. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Bird was right.

    We should look at the possibility of panspermia, triggered by extraterrestrial asteroids carrying very basic lifeforms.

  178. C.L.

    The mathematics favour a universe teeming with life.

    No they don’t. That’s like saying mathematics favours a universe teeming with Chrysler Imperials or hamburgers. “Life” may be as unique to earth as both of those things.

  179. Zyconoclast

    The fact that the Tories were unable to implement Brexit in three long years does not give them the right to prorogue parliament.

    unable to implement Brexit deliberately sabotaged. They never intended to leave.
    The Brits have had well over three years of very bad Kabuki theatre.

    Democracy has been dead in the UK for a very long time. The Brexit fiasco just laid it out for all to see.
    Prorogue parliament, not a biggie.

  180. Crossie

    Knuckle Dragger
    #3152480, posted on September 10, 2019 at 10:11 pm
    ‘What if it’s actually smaller than we think? If space is curved could we be viewing the same objects from different angles?’

    NO. No no no. Don’t go down this path again, I beseech you.

    If Dover and Beaugy find out about this, that’s the thread done till Sunday.

    Alright but I’m still going to have fun watching my Stargate dvds.

  181. mh

    Iranian Female Soccer Fan Dies After Setting Herself on Fire

    An Iranian female soccer fan who set herself on fire a week ago after being banned from watching her favourite team play has died…
    https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2019/09/10/iranian-female-soccer-fan-dies-after-setting-herself-on-fire/

  182. I’ve a feeling the “we cannot fight against ze boche wizzout some of de.. ‘ow you say?… d’Garlic!”
    I’ve a feeling there’s a touch of poetic licence there.
    I don’t doubt someone decided to bring/send the poor bastards back some Garlic to cultivate – dunnot what got exchanged for it, coz continental europe was at the stage of eating their cats & dogs by about that point – & any food would have been going the other direction.

  183. JC

    Bird was right.

    He was great until he ended up on a fractional reserve site. Anti-fractional will always end up in the anti-Joosh conspiracy because of the Rothschilds.. I warned him then and never listened.

  184. Crossie

    The government will now redistribute foreign people to the places white people have fled the cities and went to in order to get away from the foreign people flooding their cities.

    I always suspected that is the secret premise behind the British real estate series “Escape to the Country”.

  185. Lazlo

    Matt isn’t trying to defend Darwin JC. He is just advocating that Everything can be explained by evolutionary, bottom-up (ie not top-down) developments.

  186. Infidel Tiger

    Andrew Bolt has earned his pay today.

    We need a complete ban on all Chinks in politics as a starting point.

    Gladys Liu is a foreign agent and must be interned.

  187. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘still going to have fun watching my Stargate dvds.’

    Yes, Crossie, but you can turn them off if you want.

  188. Steve trickler

    I think the algo has put the breaks on this one.



  189. JC

    Matt isn’t trying to defend Darwin JC. He is just advocating that Everything can be explained by evolutionary, bottom-up (ie not top-down) developments.

    How? Darwinism can explain adaptation. Short legs, long legs, flatter faces, skin color, all dealing with how we adapt to the environment. How does he explain a fish leaving the water, growing feathers and then flying around in the sky?

  190. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Possibility and its linkage to probability is something to exercise the minds of arcane mathematicians speculating on the improbable complexity of evolution. We’ve recently seen it also exercise the creative imaginative faculties of two out of three Appelate Court Judges who have been thinking along the improbable lines so well suggested by our own CL in his pertinent and dare I say timely example of the Police Commissioner, the llama and the carpark.

    In the first instance above I would be prepared to grant time some role in all of this, unfathomable to us. Perhaps God is Time itself. In the second instance we are dealing with bounded reality and the decision of two Appelate Judges is a crock of shit whereas the Dissenting Opinion sticks to probability as we know it and live by it. Otherwise we couldn’t get up in the morning due to the huge uncertainty we would face by the fact of simply being conscious.

    Which is not to say that some mornings one is less aware of being conscious than on others.
    Speaking of which, where is Ellie?? Time for another round of best Catallaxy hangover cures.
    And did Dr. BG ever get on that plane or is he wedded to Maria by voodoo due to her tattoo of his monogram on her wrist? Enquiring minds have more to worry about than the mystical origins of life.

  191. Infidel Tiger

    Liu has shown tonight why immigration and multiculturalism is now Australia’s number 1 threat.

    Madness to let these despicable Chinks in.

  192. egg_

    Darwin could answer his own question on the origin of species, but that was pre Generics.

  193. hzhousewife

    Hairy wonders if Liu has relatives in HK or China who need protecting.

    Will be very interesting if any of her relatives disappear (won’t happen right away, but it could happen). Her Labor rival was Chinese also wasn’t she, in a major Chinese dominated community – bet an interview with her would absolutely be exactly the same. The indoctrination comes with mother’s milk – oops, Aussie dried milk powder.

  194. dover_beach

    I guess neither of them was a “Special Minister.”

    The idea would have horrified them. My father only ever wants to receive holy communion from the parish priest.

  195. egg_

    Seems to be a lot of symbiosis, viz mitochondria, chlorophyll, etc.

  196. Knuckle Dragger

    If the top ranks of the ADF weren’t a herd of pants-wetting risk-averse penis-hating nancy boys, I would enthusiastically embrace the concept of government by junta.

  197. cohenite

    It’s the unwillingness of conservatives to brawl in the street that has lost half of what used to be a Civilisation. These are the same people who tell us to respect the Victorian appeals court. I don’t respect it at all. It should be overthrown.

    Act left, think right ™

  198. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Time and selective pressures can turn a dinosaur into a bird, JC. That’s not the hard part.

  199. Lazlo

    The Big Bang is the Ptolemaic theory of our time. Just as no end of contortions had to be dreamed up to explain the empirical evidence that the sun did not orbit the earth, now we have Dark Matter and similar contortions to keep the Big Bang alive.

    Of course, climate science is a pure and virtuous pursuit that is free from any such groupthink. We should be paying them more.

  200. dover_beach

    He is just advocating that Everything can be explained by evolutionary, bottom-up (ie not top-down) developments.

    How do you get developments where there is no development, evolutionary-speaking?

  201. mh

    We need a complete ban on all Chinks in politics as a starting point.

    That would be supported by the freedom loving Chinks, like Hongkongers. They would realise the benefits outweighs the costs.

  202. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Stop it Knuckles. Such degeneracy.

    What you want is a constitutional republic, with elections largely involving sortition or veto powers of an electorate.

    Call it classical democracy or demarchy.

  203. Infidel Tiger

    We’ve imported over a million Chicom agents.

    And stupid fucks were worried about Muzzies.

    It was the ultimate distraction squirrel before the real enemy was revealed.

  204. We’ve imported over a million Chicom agents.

    Pauline was right 20-odd years ago?

  205. egg_

    How does he explain a fish leaving the water, growing feathers and then flying around in the sky?

    Fish are not a species – they’re a bunch of (mostly) vertebrates who’ve adapted to living under water.

  206. Lazlo

    I don’t know JC. Are you arguing for Intelligent Design?

  207. mh

    Ok, Gladys Liu is a HKer too.

    Nobody with slitty eyes can stand for Parliament.

  208. Infidel Tiger

    I suspect Darwin has been as badly maligned by his acolytes as Adam Smith has been by the free market think tank bozos.

  209. JC

    Time and selective pressures can turn a dinosaur into a bird, JC. That’s not the hard part.

    Really, how so? There’s zero evidence of mutation, which is the creation of another cell. Explain how it occurs because I’m genuinely interested.

    Berlinsky argues a cell is an incredible piece of machinery and we still don’t understand how it functions.

  210. JC

    Lazlo
    #3152519, posted on September 10, 2019 at 10:35 pm

    I don’t know JC. Are you arguing for Intelligent Design?

    No, not at all and you can see I’m not by reading what I said. I believe we have no understanding of our origins and we need to look for a new theory. Darwinists have been far too smug and began treating their theory as a religion. I think it’s perfectly okay to say we don’t know.

  211. Infidel Tiger

    Pauline was right 20-odd years ago?

    Stupid cow said “Asians”. If she had said “mainland Chicom stooges” she would have been worth listening to.

    An upholsterer from Turkmenistan is hardly as big as a CCP agent from Guangzhou sent out here to infiltrate student politics.

  212. Knuckle Dragger

    Bloody hell Frank.

    Demarchy:

    ‘Demarchy is a political system based on many decision-making groups that deal with specific functions in a given area (transport, parks, land use, etc.) The members that make up each group are chosen randomly every year. Democracy in Athens used this method to appoint officials.’

    ‘This system is advantageous because it can not be influenced by pressure groups, media and others. In demarchy “political machines” or special preparation of candidates are not important because nobody can predict who will be in government next.’

    I like this, I really do. If it comes with helicopter rides, I’m in.

  213. mh

    Chinese national anthem booed before Hong Kong v Iran World Cup soccer qualifier as protests enter the sporting arena

    https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/politics/article/3026583/chinese-national-anthem-booed-hong-kong-v-iran-world-cup

  214. egg_

    100 billion galaxies with 100 billion stars in them all.

    Many orders of magnitude more of protein combinations than stars in the Universe.

  215. Zyconoclast

    The government will now redistribute foreign people to the places white people have fled the cities and went to in order to get away from the foreign people flooding their cities.

    Not only here
    2019
    DHS Flying Illegal Aliens to U.S. Cities, Releasing Them into Communities

    And
    2016
    DHS QUIETLY MOVING, RELEASING VANLOADS OF ILLEGAL ALIENS AWAY FROM BORDER

    I suspect this is done not just to piss off the locals but to ensure that the foreign shock troops are as widely dispersed as possible.
    This makes any breakaway attempt to set up ‘local sovereignty’ is more easily disrupted and destroyed.

  216. Fat Tony

    C.L.
    #3152488, posted on September 10, 2019 at 10:16 pm
    The mathematics favour a universe teeming with life.

    No they don’t. That’s like saying mathematics favours a universe teeming with Chrysler Imperials or hamburgers. “Life” may be as unique to earth as both of those things.

    C.L. – do you have any idea of how big the universe actually is? How many star systems?
    Chrysler Imperials and hamburgers are not self-reproducing (well, maybe not the hamburgers).
    Life is – and is very adaptable.

  217. egg_

    He is just advocating that Everything can be explained by evolutionary, bottom-up (ie not top-down) developments.

    How do you get developments where there is no development, evolutionary-speaking?

    There have to be top down rules governing “selection”, even if protein formations are randomly occurring.

  218. cohenite

    It appears that a bunch academics have grown a sack and attacked Darwin evolution at its core – by suggesting that it is impossible because random selection could never have created the level of complexity that goes into creating a cell. They do it through math.

    They’re fucking idiots. Natural selection is not random.

    As an analogy, consider the 13-letter sequence TOBEORNOTTOBE. The hypothetical million monkeys, each pecking out one phrase a second, could take as long as 78,800 years to find it among the 2613 sequences of that length. In the 1980s Richard Hardison of Glendale College wrote a computer program that generated phrases randomly while preserving the positions of individual letters that happened to be correctly placed (in effect, selecting for phrases more like Hamlet). On average, the program re-created TOBEORNOTTOBE in just 336 iterations, less than 90 seconds. Even more amazing, it could reconstruct Shakespeare’s entire play in just four and a half days.

    This is the template of Natural Selection and why new species and characteristics can be produced in such a short time. Chance plays a part in evolution (for example, in the random mutations that can give rise to new traits), but evolution does not depend on chance to create organisms, proteins or other entities. Quite the opposite: natural selection, the principal known mechanism of evolution, harnesses non-random change by preserving “desirable” (adaptive) features and eliminating “undesirable” (non-adaptive) ones. As long as the forces of selection stay constant, natural selection can push evolution in one direction and produce sophisticated structures in surprisingly short times.

    Still, there are exceptions; I reckon it would take a billion years before you said something intelligent head prefect. But keep trying; imagine you’re one of those chimps on the keyboard.

  219. Lazlo

    I agree 100% JC. My point is that you cannot be half pregnant about evolution – either there is a divine power / central planner, or there isn’t. I am not a rabid Darwinist or atheist. I was actually trained as a scientist in the Feynman mould.

  220. Fat Tony

    JC
    #3152464, posted on September 10, 2019 at 10:04 pm
    Dapper

    The Darwinian escape valve has always been to rely on the comfort of the ocean of time. ~4 billion years is enough, they say, to create this level of complexity. Well no, it doesn’t according to these guys.

    I’m perfectly comfortable with the idea that we simply don’t know and may never know.

    In fact the further we advance the more obvious it becomes we really don’t know… like a lot.

    That is a very good summary.

  221. JC

    Fish are not a species – they’re a bunch of (mostly) vertebrates who’ve adapted to living under water.

    So fish are hippos?

    Explain how the code change occurs for a fish to go from the water to inhaling air and flying around. This isn’t just a code change in scales to feathers and fins to wings. There an entirety change at the cell level for every single part of the creature. The brain has to be rewired. This simply cannot occur over any amount of time.

    Here: Monkeys typing hamlet.

    The number of characters being used is important so that we match the number of characters from the Hamlet text from MIT. Eliminating capitalization greatly improves the odds for the monkeys by limiting the number of possible characters typed. Punctuation and spacing will count so we can accurately match the total number of characters in the text, as well as the number of unique characters used.

    There are 169,541 characters in the text according to the tool at http://www.wordcounter.net. That includes all 26 letters of the alphabet, spaces, periods, commas, apostrophes, question marks, exclamation points, colons, semicolons, ampersands, and hyphens. Altogether, that’s 36 possible characters.

    We’ll increase the monkeys’ chances here and assume that they’re using special monkey typewriters with only the 36 keys they need to type. That’s one key per character, so they don’t have to worry about a shift key.

    Each time a monkey presses a random key, they have a 1 in 36 chance of hitting the right one. The odds of them hitting the right sequence of characters decrease exponentially with each additional character. Just typing the name H-A-M-L-E-T with these parameters is highly unlikely, since each letter of the name only has a 1 in 36 chance of being typed correctly. So that’s:

    36 x 36 x 36 x 36 x 36 x 36 or 366, which works out to 1 in 2,176,782,336. Since we’re working with 100 monkeys, that gives them slightly better odds as a group with 1 in 21,767,823, but it’s still not likely. And again, that’s on our special monkey typewriter. The odds would be much worse on a regular typewriter with more keys and variables like the shift key and caps lock.

    The odds of monkeys randomly typing out 169,541 correct characters in a row are 1 in 36169,541 which, if you type into Google’s calculator, gives you the following result:

    The answer is

    INFINITY!

  222. MatrixTransform

    orders of magnitude

    I’ll have 10 beers please

  223. egg_

    Darwin couldn’t answer his own question on the origin of species (pre Genetics).

  224. mh

    Ivanka Trump
    @IvankaTrump
    Great to be w/ +175 leaders from gov, industry & academia for the @WhiteHouse #AIinGovSummit to highlight innovative efforts underway across Fed agencies to use #AI to improve gov services on behalf of the American people + look forward to future transformative applications!
    https://twitter.com/IvankaTrump/status/1171209675125248000?s=20

    A very leggy Ivanka pic in that tweet.

  225. Arky

    Quite the opposite: natural selection, the principal known mechanism of evolution,

    ..
    Yeah?
    And by what mechanism did the mechanism of evolution evolve?

  226. Lazlo

    Apart from your last para, Cohenite, which I will not buy into, you are spot on.

    Ridley also emphasises incrementalism over randomness.

  227. dover_beach

    Life is – and is very adaptable.

    It sure is, but how did we get life from non-life?

  228. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Yes. It is perfectly ok to say we don’t know, and also that at the microbiological level we certainly don’t know it all. But we can follow the broad outlines. Vertebrae, pentadactyly, hollow bones, fur-like feathers (archaeopteryx). As Dapper says, and as I have made first mover, time is endless. We can’t fathom it and our efforts are not necessarily unrevealing, just puny. Lazlo has entered the realm now not just of life, but of the universe. We grasp at straws to explain the origin of matter, space and have to invent Time.

  229. egg_

    And by what mechanism did the mechanism of evolution evolve?

    Turtles all the way down – you can’t fool me!

  230. Delcon

    Johnson has every right to prorogue parliament.

    It is only the elite scum who are ignoring the will of the people who are up in arms.

    Delcon strikes me as a Whig xunt.

    And what’s wrong with being a Whig?!
    Just wait a minute while I’m adjusting the Jeremy Corbyn poster above my bed.
    Your extremism is always good for a chuckle, IT.
    “Johnson has every right to prorogue parliament.” Yes, maybe, as evident by the fact that he did.
    But what extremists like you, IT, don’t understand, and that is, by the way, why revolutions always fail, is that whenever you give someone the big Fuck You, they can give it to you back.
    And guess what the British Parliament gave to BoJo?

    As for Bolta’s Gladys Liu interview, it vindicates the White Ausralia policy.
    BTW, is that right that her electorate has 70% Chinks? How the eff could that be?!

  231. Fat Tony

    MatrixTransform
    #3152535, posted on September 10, 2019 at 10:49 pm
    orders of magnitude

    I’ll have 10 beers please

    Yes thanks – but not that horse piss Southwark

  232. C.L.

    Chrysler Imperials and hamburgers are not self-reproducing

    Prove that they’re not … somewhere in the universe.
    GO!

  233. egg_

    fish are hippos?

    Hippos would drown in the open ocean; dolphins would drown if they didn’t surface for air – they’re not fish.

  234. JC

    C.L. – do you have any idea of how big the universe actually is?

    Why is our perspective the definitive answer to how big or how small it is. Also, as I mentioned before, there are 7 Quintilian specs of sand on earth. They are mostly the same and very little variation.

    Frankly, the universe, from my humble perspective, appears to be boringly the same. Lots of stars, and shit swinging around them, along with black holes in the center of galaxies. Sure, it’s great real estate to stretch out and such though. I see it as a decent development park there for exploiting.

  235. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Dover, life is a chemical phenomenon imbued with Time. It ‘happened’.

  236. Lazlo

    This simply cannot occur over any amount of time

    You are arguing for a celestial central planner then.

  237. Fat Tony

    dover_beach
    #3152542, posted on September 10, 2019 at 10:52 pm
    Life is – and is very adaptable.

    It sure is, but how did we get life from non-life?

    Now that is the question.

    It surely did not come from a random collection of atoms/molecules in a petri dish.

  238. hzhousewife

    BTW, is that right that her electorate has 70% Chinks? How the eff could that be?!

    They started getting out of Honkers at least 10 years ago, and they all decided to live near Box Hill Central.

  239. Fat Tony

    C.L.
    #3152547, posted on September 10, 2019 at 10:54 pm
    Chrysler Imperials and hamburgers are not self-reproducing

    Prove that they’re not … somewhere in the universe.
    GO!

    Hey ! I did concede hamburgers…..

  240. Arky

    Turtles all the way down – you can’t fool me!

    ..
    Let’s review:
    Relatively shortly after an entire universe sprang into existence from nothing in particular for absolutely no reason, a cellular mechanism for performing the incredible difficult and complex task of editing base pairs at just the correct but incredibly narrow rate of error that just enough beneficial permutations are kept, but not too few that no progress is made, and not too many that the system is overwhelmed by junk.

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