Tuesday Forum: September 10, 2019

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  1. Arky

    You are just regurgitating things you have been taught.
    Think woman.

  2. Shy Ted

    Zalli needs a Tesla. Anyone on her salary can afford the little model.

  3. Oh come on

    John Bolton gawn! Great news. That man needs to be as far away from the levers of power as humanly possible. Give him a set of toy soldiers and send him down to the bottom of the garden – that ought to keep him busy.

    I bet the neo-cons and war mongerers are furious. Limp beater will be very, very upset. That ‘libertarian’ was positively itching for war with Iran!

  4. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Or what are the odds of the cosmos (stardust) producing an organism that contemplates the creation of the cosmos?

    The cosmos may have capacities we are yet to know, or which we may never know. The ‘materiality’ of mind is one of the questions to delve. Consciousness as a ‘physical’ thing. My cat has a certain ‘consciousness’ as he let me know sitting on my pillow wailing for attention early this morning. He knows what he wants, affection and food, both being important to his well-being, but he still tries to scratch the glass near his litter tray thinking it might be useful for covering his doings, so he has a different sort of relationship to reality to mine. Mine is more nuanced, but we both have habitual conceptualisations. That much is clear.

  5. Arky

    He knows what he wants, affection and food,

    ..
    So do the self diagnostic circuits in your shit Audi.

  6. egg_

    Darwin was pre Genetics – information.
    As Arky says, Dawkins skirts around the difficult issues of complexity.

  7. Mother Lode

    she would “appreciate” if the government made EVs cheaper.

    The government can’t make it cheaper, dear. The best they can do is subsidise the purchase – make other people pay for part of the thing you want.

    And here is the kicker – if you subsidise for everybody then everybody is paying the full amount – only they are paying for it in the subsidised purchase and in tax they pay subsidising others’.

  8. notafan

    Gladys Liu was born and bred in Hong Kong and left long before 1997.

    Seems inevitable any political Chinese person would be drawn into this or that association with links to the many tentacled chicom government.

    On the other hand her former rival Jennifer Yang was reportedly very open about China in that BBC documentary ‘China is rising’ being her quotable quote.

    Anyhow what is Liu goin’to do?

    Shop at ALDI?

  9. Bruce of Newcastle

    Zali Zali Zali
    Think outside the box.
    You don’t ‘need’ a car at all.

    She can ride a bicycle!

  10. Arky

    God help us if Audis become self aware.

  11. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    You are just regurgitating things you have been taught.
    Think woman.

    Don’t be so patronizing, Arky. You are merely a mathematician swooning over maths.
    I am more skeptical. Widen your horizons.

  12. johanna

    eelthebern
    #3152828, posted on September 11, 2019 at 10:07 am

    Garrison draws DT about 20kgs underweight.

    Bit snarky, bern.

    Winnie Churchill, who made it to over ninety, was portly for most of his life. This idea that everyone should look a certain way is nonsense in health terms.

    I cite my friend Leslie, who lived next door to me at university, She was built like a fire hydrant – short and solid, with no discernable waist. She played squash and tennis and swam while I lay around smoking dope and being slim.

    I saw her a few years ago and she is still rectangular, a bit meatier, but not obese except perhaps in terms of the stupid BMI.

    It is normal to put on a bit of weight as the metabolism slows, and the notion that everyone should be on a permanent weight reduction diet to meet some arbitrary benchmark is ludicrous. I am not speaking of the mounds of blubber in their 20s and 30s who blight our shopping malls – that is a very different thing.

    But, there is plenty of evidence that weighing more than Barbie is in fact protective for older people. As the recent inquiry into aged care facilities has shown, not to mention the accounts of relatives who visit their elderly relatives in hospital, the real danger is when old people don’t eat enough.

    Shakespeare had something to say about this – Obama being Cassius.

  13. dover_beach

    Apropos of this discussion, Feser reviews Smith’s The AI Delusion in City Journal.

  14. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    the real danger is when old people don’t eat enough

    Yes. The flesh should be kept as willing as the spirit or both die.

  15. egg_

    God help us if Audis become self aware.

    With Vehicle Stability Systems, you’re no longer in complete control of even the steering of your car, let alone the braking.
    /Horror for control freaks

  16. mh

    OMG Bruce.

    It’s a bit early in the day for Millie Weaver’s tits.

    🥵

  17. Stimpson J. Cat

    Neocons On Suicide Watch!
    No more endless wars!

    Ha ha ha ha ja!

  18. egg_

    and there are mites with no anus.

    I expect they are talking shit.

    “If you don’t use it – you lose it.”
    /Mother Nature

  19. Geriatric Mayfly

    The northern magpies have their nest about 200m away, in a tree which has a good view my backyard.

    While you are magpie wrangling BoN are they the ‘black backed magpies’? Have not seen one for years, but once when you crossed the dividing range here in Vic. you would spot them. As white backs and black backs are only seperate races, I fear the former may have become dominant. White supremacy wins again.

  20. Arky

    I am more skeptical.

    ..
    No. You accepted the view presented to you hook line and sinker, the evolutionary view.
    So did I.
    Until last year I did some calculations, and it opened up doubts.
    Now I am open to the debate. Much smarter people than me with much deeper understanding on both sides.
    For me evolution isn’t the main issue anyway.
    After all, what is more difficult: to design a functioning, self replicating organism, or to devise an entire system that produces evolving, self replicating organisms?
    If you concede evolution, you just push the problem down to a different level where the problems are even more difficult.

  21. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    God help us if Audis become self aware.

    Mine already thinks it is, Arky. I have to turn off its independent shut-downs masquerading as petrol saving. It also has its little hidden ways, such as flailing into hysteria if I get too close behind some idiot dawdling the lights, or flashing my side-vision mirrors pretending to advise correctly re oncoming vehicles. It speaks its mind too about its own condition – a patient do this, do that and then … I’m sorry, but I can’t do that Lizzie. For which read ‘allow’ that. 2001 redux there.

  22. johanna

    I don’t understand this story.

    Mr World Australia is a proud Indigenous man.

    Jony Berry, 24, represented Australia at the global pageant in the Philippines which involved three weeks of charity activities and competitions.

    The Mr World competition opened with candidates modelling their national costumes.

    Mr Berry’s costume was a long satin robe with unique Indigenous art painted onto it.

    It included Aboriginal flags on the trim, cuffs and back — designed by Indigenous artist Paul McCann.

    “Unfortunately I did come up against a bit of a road block with our flag rights issues so I wasn’t able to display one of the flags,” he told ABC Radio Hobart.

    It is understood Mr Berry was asked by organisers to remove the large flag from the back of the robe, which also contained the message ‘free the flag’.

    So, he claims to be representing Australia, but won’t wear the flag.

    Turns out he is spruiking for a dispute about another flag.

    Fine, but then don’t claim to be representing Australia. You’re not.

  23. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Until last year I did some calculations,

    Entailing what assumptions about biochemical possibilities and over what time and given what external conditions, including cosmic and other radiation?

    Simple mathematical models of the primordial swamp sound a lot like ‘climate science’ to me.
    However I’m prepared to cut them (not you) some slack and admit with you that I am simply an only slightly informed onlooker in this field. A skeptical one though.

  24. egg_

    Speaking of evolution, The Wealth Explosion looks like one to add to the reading list.
    (Within the comments, there’s a reminder that the Industrial Revolution didn’t truly kick off until the steam engine freed innovators from the vagaries of our new saviours, wind and water power.)

    Physicists crapping on about entropy was born of Engineers tinkering with steam engines.

  25. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    to devise an entire system that produces evolving, self replicating organisms?

    Too teleological there for me, Arky.
    It’s not a ‘system’ it’s a collectivity of elements bruising each other.
    Rather like the universe itself. And other universes.
    Now this is what pushes the problem down the track. Not evolution.

  26. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘Securing fair elections is a climate action. Combating extreme wealth inequality is a climate action. Shutting down the hate machines on social media is a climate action.’

    ‘Instituting humane immigration policy, advocating for racial and gender equality, promoting respect for laws and their enforcement, supporting a free and independent press, ridding the country of assault weapons – these are all meaningful climate actions.’

    Unmasked.

  27. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    With Vehicle Stability Systems, you’re no longer in complete control of even the steering of your car, let alone the braking.
    /Horror for control freaks

    True enough, Egg. In a car I am my own worst self.
    Even worse when I control via secondary mechanisms.
    Don’t start, says Hairy firmly as I move into supplementary drive seated next to him. 🙂

  28. egg_

    Finding and defining the natural automata acting in living plants: Toward the synthetic biology for robotics and informatics in vivo

    The automata theory is the mathematical study of abstract machines commonly studied in the theoretical computer science and highly interdisciplinary fields that combine the natural sciences and the theoretical computer science. In the present review article, as the chemical and biological basis for natural computing or informatics, some plants, plant cells or plant-derived molecules involved in signaling are listed and classified as natural sequential machines (namely, the Mealy machines or Moore machines) or finite state automata. By defining the actions (states and transition functions) of these natural automata, the similarity between the computational data processing and plant decision-making processes became obvious. Finally, their putative roles as the parts for plant-based computing or robotic systems are discussed.

  29. Knuckle Dragger

    The appalling garbage Some History linked to earlier was penned by a halfwit named Jonathan Frenzen.

    Who lives in Santa Cruz, California with his ‘spouse-equivalent, a writer (naturally) called Kathy Chetkovich.

    No more needs to be said.

  30. egg_

    Gladys Liu was born and bred in Hong Kong and left long before 1997.

    Their Left are now smearing a regular on Teh Dumb.
    /Under the bus

  31. Black Ball

    Good morning all.
    Was Archie of comic book fame gay? Haven’t read any of the comics but I guess he was after reading this article in today’s Hun:

    ‘The cast and creators of Riverdale will receive an award from a gay rights education group for the show’s portrayal of LGBTQ relationships in a high school setting.
    The Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network announced on Monday that Riverdale will be bestowed it’s Gamechanger Award.
    It cited the show’s “groundbreaking storytelling about LGBTQ relationships” as the reason it was chosen to receive the honour.
    The CW series is a modern take on the Archie comics characters. Its stars include KJ Apa, Lili Reinhart, Camila Mendes, Cole Sprouse and Madelaine Petsch.
    GLSEN was founded in 1990 to address LGBTQ issues in primary and secondary education. The GLSEN Respect awards will be bestowed at a gala in Beverly Hills on October 25.’

    Started high school in 1990 and silly me didn’t realise it was such a hotbed of homo activity. Chasing girls was it. And in primary school? Well playing British bulldogs and avoiding cooties from girls could be perceived as gayness 😁

  32. Stimpson J. Cat

    Or what are the odds of the cosmos (stardust) producing an organism that contemplates the creation of the cosmos?

    What are the odds of this question ever being answered satisfactorily by the geniuses on this blog?

    Nil.

    Far more productive to talk about Vietnam,
    or the ADL blackmailing Pewdiepie for 50 grand.

  33. egg_

    What are the odds of this question ever being answered satisfactorily by the geniuses on this blog?

    /Sub 140 IQ

  34. Arky

    Entailing what assumptions about biochemical possibilities and over what time and given what external conditions, including cosmic and other radiation?

    ..
    I state my assumptions.
    I tried to be as generous as possible. Going so far as to assume a 100% concentration of organic compounds, all perfectly combining and recombining under ideal conditions.
    But mine were a rough initial model to get a basic grasp of the numbers. There are good actual numbers done by real scientists, not high school teachers.
    But do it yourself.
    Find the most ideal conditions for abiogenesis, the number of reactions per unit time possible, the volume of liquid on Earth, or in the proportion of it you think likely, and the amount of time available.
    Then take the most recent estimate for the number of stars in the universe, assume each has a good planet, or whatever the latest estimate of what proportion have candidate planets.
    Then do the calculation.
    Then compare it to the possible combinations of information you think is required for a self replicating organism.
    Do this without reference to anyone else’s calculations such as not to bias yourself, then compare.
    Do it now, it won’t take long.
    Give me your numbers.

  35. Oh come on

    Quite right, Stimpy. Let’s hope on the same kind of suicide watch that Epstein was put on!

    Predictably, Tucker Carlson has thoughts about the ousting of Bolton.

    Now, now, Tucker. You shouldn’t gloat. Oh okay, just a bit then. Tee hee hee hee!

  36. stackja

    And God created evolution.

  37. Arky

    And other universes.

    ..
    Yes, if cosmology indicates there is not enough time in the current universe to produce life, then there must be an endless supply of other universes.
    How in love with a theory must you be to go to these lengths to preserve it?

  38. Top Ender

    In June, the government’s Victorian Treaty Advancement Commission was forced to extend­ the deadline for its First Peoples’ Assembly of Victoria election process by 11 weeks, after too few candidates nominated. With voting set to begin next Monday, Ms Thorpe said only 2000 people of an eligible 35,000 had enrolled to vote,

    Given Aboriginal tribes are fiercely tribal, such a proposal has no chance of getting up.

    Surely that would have occurred to the organisers, or was their real agenda just to get another government quango set up at the gravy train station?

  39. Stimpson J. Cat

    /Sub 140 IQ

    I mean I can’t even count to 140, seriously.

  40. egg_

    Discuss the evolution of the Je wish State.

  41. Oh come on

    Tucker points out that Mitt Romney is amongst the loudest of those lamenting Bolton’s well-deserved shit-canning. By crikey we dodged a bullet in 2012.

  42. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Roger, re the wooly Professor of Computer Science like the one in your link. Something of a misplaced argument from authority to suggest his views are well-informed; just laterally thinking. However, I don’t dispute that he has a hard time with Faculty who are hard-line Darwinists who seem unwilling to consider complexity. That’s the horrible nature of the modern university, a lack of civility and proper discourse. Lazlo last night made reference to the current academic fight to the death over the reasons for the proliferations and extinctions in species forms especially around the Cambrian period. It can get unpleasant, as those contesting the models of climatic change (that spurious ‘science’) can find out.

    A good Darwinist would be looking for any additional new science, such as molecular probabilities, that could further elucidate empirical mechanisms producing selective selection, and would also be seeking around any new science a theoretical breakpoint that if applied given the new science might lead to a new paradigm (a geophysical event for instance; unlikely to be a deistic one though). No scientist ever declares settlement, only ever stronger likelihood. That is the nature of hypothesis testing.

  43. stackja

    egg_
    #3152895, posted on September 11, 2019 at 11:18 am

    Genesis 15:5 :And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be..

  44. Tom

    More evidence that the Australian economy is cactus, if not in deep recession:

    There were 63.52 million passengers carried on Australian domestic commercial aviation (including charter operations) in the year ending June 2019, an increase of 0.5 per cent compared with the year ending June 2018. In the year ending June 2019 there were 677.9 thousands aircraft trips, a decrease of 0.3 per cent compared to the previous year.
    60.95 million passengers were carried on RPT flights in the year ending June 2019, an
    increase of 0.3 compared with the year ending June 2018.
    RPT revenue passenger kilometres (RPKs) increased by 0.3 per cent compared with the
    year ending June 2018, to a total of 71.06 billion.
    Capacity, measured by available seat kilometres (ASKs), was 88.50 billion in the year,
    virtually the same as in the year ending June 2018.

    As a rule of thumb at the turn of the century, the growth rate of the airline industry was double GDP. But that was before the explosion in government spending and debt, which further masks the decline of the private economy.

  45. Stimpson J. Cat

    IQ is a completely made up fabricated concept created by nerds for the sole purpose of stopping nerds from being bullied.
    Everyone in the world is equally smart.
    Voluntary Transgender surgery proves this.

  46. johanna

    The appalling garbage Some History linked to earlier was penned by a halfwit named Jonathan Frenzen.

    Knuckles, if you mean Franzen, you are correct.

    A loathsome swamp-dwelling slimeball – and they are some of his better characteristics.

  47. Stimpson J. Cat

    Discuss the evolution of the Je wish State.

    Why?
    The results speak for themselves.
    A successful model of democracy and freedom for everyone that should be exported and installed in every country in the world.
    Only then will we have World Peace.
    😁

  48. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    if cosmology indicates there is not enough time in the current universe to produce life

    I am not at all sure that cosmology indicates such a lack of time since our universe began.
    Mathematical models may simply be orders of magnitude out due to lack of consideration of accelerating factors that we may not as yet fully comprehend. Although I can think of a biologically plausible few.

    As for other universes. Come on Arky, time to revisit your probability theory.
    Three dimensional hyperplanes in four dimensional space?
    You can go anywhere with infinity. 🙂

  49. egg_

    IQ and Adonis are keyboard warrior trigger words.

  50. johanna

    Any Cats around the fires in Queensland? What’s happening?

  51. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    A successful model of democracy and freedom for everyone that should be exported and installed in every country in the world.

    Given the cards that have been stacked against it Is-rael is certainly a great place.
    I was very impressed, and found out a lot about how Muslims live happily there.
    A triumph for Western Civilisation. Joosh people are really very smart.

    We should offer them the Kimberley. They’d have it up and going in no time flat.

  52. Fisky

    It must be a record, Trump is the first POTUS in living memory not to start a dumb war in his first term. By this point in Obama’s presidency, Libya was already a smoldering ruin and jihadists were pouring into the place.

    I wonder if Code Pink and the anti-war movement will give Trump any credit for this. Nah.

  53. Arky

    may simply be orders of magnitude out

    ..
    That is the thing.
    it isn’t x10 or x1000 out.
    It is trillions and trillions out.
    Do the calculation.
    Stick whatever outlandish assumptions in your favour you like in there. It’s still trillions x trillions out.

  54. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Can’t comment, into mods re my recent trip to a fascinating country in the ME.

  55. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Given Aboriginal tribes are fiercely tribal, such a proposal has no chance of getting up.

    Does anyone who isn’t a complete moron, seriously think all those separate tribes will be interested in one single treaty, signed on behalf of them all?

  56. Infidel Tiger

    Tucker points out that Mitt Romney is amongst the loudest of those lamenting Bolton’s well-deserved shit-canning. By crikey we dodged a bullet in 2012.

    Yep. And in 2008.

  57. egg_

    By considering an intact plant as an individual sequential machine, the signal processing (perception and transduction) in inside the living plant can be attributed to the automaton-like decision-making processes. The most notable case is the action of Venus flytrap (Dionaea muscipula) which possesses an active trapping mechanism to capture small insects.14 Each of five to seven leaves on this plant has two parts, the upper and the lower leaves, which coordinately capture the insects. The trapping action by Venus flytrap has three unique features attracting experts not only in biology but also in chemistry15 and physics,16 namely, (1) it has one of the fastest movements in the plant kingdom, (2) it exhibits a “decision-making intelligence” to determine, from a semi-closed state, whether to proceed to be completely closed or fully open, and (3) the Venus flytrap has a “memory” of touch that two consecutive mechanical stimuli within about 30 sec are usually necessary to trigger the trap closing. As the sensory organs, three sensitive trigger hairs are protruding from the upper leaf epidermis of the Venus flytrap, adjacent to the red anthocyanin pigment that attracts the insects. According to recent studies, touching of the trigger hairs (by insects) rapidly activates the mechano-sensitive ion channels and generates receptor potentials, which induce an action potential required for trap closure. Recently, Volkov et al.17 discovered that closing of the traps can be also induced upon electrical stimulation. The Venus flytrap can accumulate small sub-threshold charges, and when the threshold value is reached, the trap closes. Thus, repeated stimulation by smaller charges are counted and summed up to induce the closure of the leaves. Therefore, the researchers have argued that this plant has “volatile memory” for either mechanical touching or electrical stimulation.

  58. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Do the calculation.

    Prefer to do another sort altogether. But I’ll take another look at yours to keep you tame.
    Happy for you to find God your way, Arky. I’ll go mine.

  59. Ivan Denisovich

    If true, further evidence supporting Cardinal Brandmuller’s recent assertion:

    For a few days a video has been circulating on the web in which an Italian priest of the highest rank, among those closest to Jorge Mario Bergoglio, says that in the Amazon the celebration of the Mass by married deacons is already a de facto reality, authorized by the local bishops. And Pope Francis, informed of the matter, is alleged to have said:”Go ahead!”

    The author of this revelation is not just anybody. He is Giovanni Nicolini, 79, an esteemed priest of the archdiocese of Bologna, which has as its archbishop that Matteo Zuppi whom a few days ago Francis promoted as cardinal.

    http://magister.blogautore.espresso.repubblica.it/2019/09/10/in-the-amazon-married-deacons-are-already-saying-mass-and-the-pope-knows-it/

  60. Stimpson J. Cat

    Can’t comment, into mods re my recent trip to a fascinating country in the ME.

    Themyscira.
    Beautiful country full of Women.
    It’s where Wonder Woman comes from.
    😁

  61. johanna

    TheirABC now finds it necessary to advise us on sneezing. Well, here’s a surprise:

    Dr Barbara Evers, a senior lecturer of sociology at Murdoch University in Western Australia, says the sound of your sneeze also comes down to class, gender and culture.

    Of course it does.

    And, finally:

    Professor Harvey says it’s never advised to hold in a sneeze as it is “like a mini explosion in your head and can force air into places it shouldn’t go”.

    “It’s quite a forceful respiratory response,” he says.

    An x-ray of a person’s neck, showing an air pocket in the throat area.
    Photo: An X-ray shows the hole in the man’s throat caused by closing his mouth and nose when he sneezed. (BMJ: Wanding Yang)

    The British Medical Journal last year published the case of a 34-year-old man who ripped a hole in his throat trying to stifle a powerful sneeze.

    The British man had attempted to supress a sneeze by clamping his mouth shut and blocking both nostrils.

    The resulting force perforated his pharynx, the part of the throat just above the larynx and oesophagus.

    He soon found it impossible to swallow without extreme pain and all but lost his voice.

    After a week in hospital, during which time he was put on a feeding tube and given intravenous antibiotics to protect against infection, the man was sent home from hospital with the advice not to block his nose when sneezing in the future.

    In 2011 it was reported that a 38-year-old man in Boston fractured his larynx when he closed his mouth and pinched his nose during a “vigorous” sneeze.

    Three examples against all the sneezes ever. Compelling stuff.

    Ah – chooo!

    Bless you
    Gesundheit

  62. dover_beach

    Yes, if cosmology indicates there is not enough time in the current universe to produce life, then there must be an endless supply of other universes.
    How in love with a theory must you be to go to these lengths to preserve it?

    Indeed. If only we give the proverbial monkey with a laptop an eternity it may, ney, will! produce the great simian novel.

  63. Stimpson J. Cat

    Indeed. If only we give the proverbial monkey with a laptop an eternity it may, ney, will! produce the great simian novel.

    It’s already been done.
    The Bible, James Joyce Ulysses, Jane Austen, etc etc.

  64. Infidel Tiger

    Daniel Hannan

    Verified account

    @DanielJHannan

    2016: Goldman Sachs says Brexit would be a “disaster”which would force it to cut its UK presence.
    2019: Goldman Sachs opens a billion pound new European head office in London.

    Lying liars who lie.

  65. Arky

    Happy for you to find God your way, Arky. I’ll go mine.

    ..
    Not about belief.
    I would believe in God regardless of evolution proven correct or not.
    Not about an afterlife either. I would be quite content to slip into a state of non- existence, except the hubcaps and other bits have just arrived at the door and I have work to do.
    Do the calculation.

  66. Arky

    When I say the calculation, I mean your own calculation with the assumptions you find reasonable.

  67. Oh come on

    Yep. And in 2008.

    Fully agree. In hindsight, President McCain or President Romney would have meant the death of the Republic, given what we now know about these two.

  68. egg_

    Dawkins et al like to cite termite mounds as proof of organised intelligence from apparently dumb automata.

    Smartphones by humans is probably a good example where no one human comprehends the device in its entirety, not even the late Steve Jobs.

  69. Infidel Tiger

    Donald J. Trump

    Verified account

    @realDonaldTrump
    28m28 minutes ago
    More
    Senator Ben Sasse has done a wonderful job representing the people of Nebraska. He is great with our Vets, the Military, and your very important Second Amendment. Strong on Crime and the Border, Ben has my Complete and Total Endorsement!

    Sasse has bent the knee.

    The Orb is all powerful.

  70. Diogenes

    Any Cats around the fires in Queensland? What’s happening?

    S-I-L still lives in Applethorpe, she says very smokey & for the last few days Stanthorpe has been like a ghost town. When she was told on Saturday to evacuate she said they were told to go to Leslie Dam (outside Warwick or the Macccas @ Warwick)

    This is the latest from local rag The Border Pest
    https://www.stanthorpeborderpost.com.au/news/fireys-continue-to-tackle-three-blazes-on-granite-/3828208/

    I saw the photo on the ABC website showing the fires from the Mt Marley lookout – wow ! Although our old house was fine, had the wind changed direction or intensified half the town would have gone up !

    No 1 son lives near Maroochydoore – the d-I-l and grandson have the flu and they are keeping everything shut up as grandson suffers from asthma

  71. egg_

    The smartphone was probably a logical evolution of phones as mobile devices.

  72. Oh come on

    2016: Goldman Sachs says Brexit would be a “disaster”which would force it to cut its UK presence.
    2019: Goldman Sachs opens a billion pound new European head office in London.

    Did you hear that Olly Robbins, the treasonous bureaucrat Theresa May put in charge of helping the EU compile the surrender document to be offered to the UK, has just been knighted?? Plus he’s resigned from Whitehall and has taken a job at – guess where? – Goldman Sachs!

  73. Bruce of Newcastle

    GM – I only ever see the standard black backed magpies in Ncl, although I haven’t really looked. Gymnorhina tibicen tibicen.

  74. Infidel Tiger

    Great performance by GOP in special election NC09.

    Dems thought they would take it.

  75. Some History

    Thus spake Greta™

    Greta Thunberg on Climate: “If We Can Save the Banks, We Can Save the World”

    During an event in New York City Monday night with author and environmentalist Naomi Klein, 16-year-old Swedish activist Greta Thunberg had a simple message for those who claim it is “too expensive” to boldly confront the climate crisis with sweeping policies like a Green New Deal.
    “If we can save the banks,” said Thunberg, “we can save the world.”
    “If there is something we are not lacking in this world, it’s money,” she added. “Of course, many people do lack money, but governments and these people in power, they do not lack money. And also we need to have the polluters… actually pay for the damage they have caused. So, to that argument, I would not even respond to that argument, because it has been said so many times, the money is there. What we lack now is political will and social will to do it.”

    Thunberg arrived in New York late last month after nearly two weeks of sailing across the Atlantic. The young environmentalist made the journey ahead of the Sept. 20 global climate strikes, which she helped inspire through persistent activism that has included directly confronting world leaders and elites over their role in the planetary emergency.
    The strikes, which are expected to bring millions to the streets in over 150 countries, will coincide with the United Nations Summit on Climate Change on Sept. 23rd in New York.
    “I want September 20 to be a tipping point,” Thunberg said Monday night. “I want world leaders to feel like they have too many people watching them.”

    https://truthout.org/articles/greta-thunberg-on-climate-if-we-can-save-the-banks-we-can-save-the-world/

  76. stackja

    Infidel Tiger
    #3152936, posted on September 11, 2019 at 12:02 pm
    Great performance by GOP in special election NC09.

    Dems thought they would take it.

    Winning!

  77. johanna

    Bruce, what about the various colourings of the murderous Currawongs.

    Around here they go from almost jet black to magpie/peewee-like colourings.

    The music – oh, the music – it is hard to hate them, even as they prey on the nests of other birds, not to mention full grown ones.

  78. Tel

    Smartphones by humans is probably a good example where no one human comprehends the device in its entirety, not even the late Steve Jobs.

    Kind of a reverse evolution … as the phone gets smarter, the guy holding it becomes more of an automaton.

    Maybe that’s unfair … they are useful at times if you need to look up an address or find where people are so you can meet them … but the “progress” factor of smart phones is heavily overrated. I mostly use mine to play podcasts, and for occasional SMS to keep in touch with people. Phones make crap web browsers but better than nothing if you are stuck on a street corner somewhere.

  79. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    US warplanes carpet-bomb an ISIS-infested island in northern Iraq with 40 TONS of laser-guided explosives in a bid to wipe out all of their terrorist strongholds and stop the flow of fighters to Syria

    The video shows explosions creating mushroom clouds billowing from island
    US-led coalition said warplanes dropped the 40 tons of bombs on the island in the Tigris River ‘infested’ with members of the Islamic State group
    The coalition said F15 and F35 warplanes took part in the bombing on Qanus Island in the central province of Salaheddine, north of the capital Baghdad
    Strikes comes days after President Trump decided to cancel Afghan peace talks
    Data shows that strikes have also picked up in Afghanistan with US jets dropping nearly 800 bombs against targets in Afghanistan last month
    In DC, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said Afghan peace talks are on hold

    Daily Mail

  80. stackja

    Dan and Murphy with DT at rally.

  81. Infidel Tiger

    Ben Pershing

    Verified account

    @benpershing
    24m24 minutes ago
    More
    “The president wants people who give him different viewpoints,” a senior White House official said. “But when the president makes his decision, he expects us to go out and do our jobs. Bolton didn’t do that.”

    Should never have been hired in the first place.

    Drain the swamp, Don.

  82. mh

    North Carolina Special Election Results: Ninth House District

    Dan Bishop. Republican 89,941 50.8%
    Dan McCready Democrat 86,120 48.6
    Jeff Scott Libertarian. 715 0.4
    Allen Smith. Green. 344 0.2
    177,120 votes, 92% reporting (193 of 210 precincts)

  83. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I hope you read all of this before doing your own calculation, Arky. Not a bad summary of abiogenesis for those interested in getting an overview handle on the chemical aspects.

    I’d suggest there is more than one possible molecular starting point to address.

  84. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Despot’s final journey: Body of Zimbabwean dictator Robert Mugabe begins its trip from the Singapore hospital where he died back to his homeland for his funeral

    Robert Mugabe, 95, had been receiving medical treatment in Singapore
    He died on Friday and his body will now be flown back to Zimbabwe
    The ‘Crocodile’ – Emmerson Mnangagwa – wants him buried at heroes shrine

    Daily Mail

  85. IT:

    A punitive fine.
    Jailing her is ridiculous.

    She knew what she was doing, but arrogantly thought the rules didn’t apply to her because the goods were ‘organic’.
    This is the very same mindset that raids biosecurity premises and releases infected animals brought in because their owners decided they were above the rules too.
    Remember the idiot actor who brought in their dogs and evaded customs/biosecurity? I’d have gaoled him for a year too.
    Or is the loss of a $50 billion a year industry OK with you?

  86. egg_

    Phones make crap web browsers but better than nothing if you are stuck on a street corner somewhere.

    +1

    And I still prefer a dedicated car Nav, the phone only as a backup device.
    But as a standalone device, it outperforms an Apollo mission.

  87. Crossie:

    Some years ago it used to be that they would get a resident visa if they completed two degrees, now we are paying them for the second one. What is wrong with our government?

    Our government represents its interests – not ours.

  88. mh

    NYT just updated to Republican win.

  89. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Phones make crap web browsers but better than nothing if you are stuck on a street corner somewhere.

    Yes. Dem’s true words there. Lock into google dot man if you don’t have a GPS. Very handy.
    I can readily read the Cat on my phone but hate to do any serious searching on it.

  90. John of Mel

    Kind of a reverse evolution … as the phone gets smarter, the guy holding it becomes more of an automaton.

    Watched one of the episodes of Black Mirror on Netflix the other day – season 3, called Nosedive (I think). Pretty good. Gives you a picture of the “social credit” society, but without obvious state interference, which doesn’t make it any better.

  91. Arky

    I hope you read all of this before doing your own calculation, Arky

    ..
    Stop being lazy and do your own work.

  92. JC:

    How? Darwinism can explain adaptation. Short legs, long legs, flatter faces, skin color, all dealing with how we adapt to the environment. How does he explain a fish leaving the water, growing feathers and then flying around in the sky?

    Considering the quality of bullshit and intellectual masturbation coming from intellectuals these days, I’ll stick with Darwin, thanks.

  93. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    the money is there. What we lack now is political will and social will to do it.”

    Greta dear, go home and shut up till you grow up.
    Year Zero has failed before at very great human cost. Stop advocating it.
    Socialism will do nothing but ensure you have a future of full of grief.
    The money is not there until it is produced.
    It does not grow on trees no matter how much you hug them.

  94. Mother Lode

    Dr Barbara Evers, a senior lecturer of sociology at Murdoch University in Western Australia, says the sound of your sneeze also comes down to class, gender and culture.

    Same old thing.

    Find something.

    Slice and dice it according to one particular theory (gender, race).

    Then step back amazed to discover that the principles of the theory govern the original something, and load it up with every bit of baggage that the pet theory can pack – racism, misogyny, heteronormativity, blah blah blah.

    And this new theory will never explain anything not already contained in it.

    It is not really a theory, just a 25,000 word slogan.

  95. Arky

    You should find it very easy.
    You have biology training, I don’t.

  96. egg_

    About two hundred and forty years ago, the human species began to experience a wealth explosion. Poor people, who had been living and dying on the edge of starvation for millennia, began to get less poor, and slightly richer people started to become even richer, and much more numerous. Every graph measuring human comfort, wealth, progress, length of life, and so on, switched – historically, in the blink of an eye – from being a nearly horizontal line to being a nearly vertical line. This wealth explosion began in North West Europe, and quickly spread to other parts of Europe and to the USA. Now, poor people everywhere are getting less poor in unprecedentedly vast numbers. It’s a different world, and for just about everyone, a hugely better one.

    Asian cultures have a medieval mindset.
    What is China up to on a Global scale?
    What is Trump dealing with?

  97. John Constantine

    You can see why Australia’s quisling corruptocracy are forced to take plastic Aldi bags full of cash.

    Everybody else in ‘The Ton’ can have an electric car except them.

    Comrade maaaaates.

  98. Des Deskperson

    “As she prepared to push for parliament to declare a “climate emergency”, Ms Steggall said she could still not afford an EV, but committed to ultimately getting one.

    “I like every other Australian have budget pressures, mortgage pressures,” she told Sky News.”

    As Commonwealth MP, Zali is entitled, as part of her ‘remuneration package’, to a ‘private plated vehicle’ for personal as well as official purposes. This is additional to her entitlements to travel on official business via Comcar or taxi.

    Alternatively, she could have an additional allowance of $30,000 pa.

    The vehicle entitlement is normally a family sedan with a top of the range fit out. MP’s may, however. request non-standard vehicles, including on the basis of ‘environmental considerations’. The grounds for such a request include that the vehicle:

    ‘is powered by an alternative fuel source (such as electric power)…a Senator or Member is expected to request the lowest priced vehicle that will meet his or her operational requirements ‘

    The requests appear to be considered on a case by case basis.

    So Zali can request an electric vehicle, and unless the price was hugely disproportionate, I would have expected Parliamentary Services to approve it. Alternatively, $30,000 on top of her salary of nearly $210,000 pa would enable her to afford a reasonable EV.

    What’s interesting here is that Zali would have received an intensive briefing on her entitlements when she entered Parliament, including her vehicle entitlements. So why hasn’t she applied for an EV and why is she whinging? It sounds a like a bit of self-serving posturing to me.

  99. Well, waddaya know, turns out Dick Smith (who never saw a jihad supporter he didn’t want to finance) ain’t all bad.

    He’s come out against that Trivago bitch, & come out hard.

    Keep it up against Trivago & especially that bitch who does their ads, & you’ll have a chance of making up for your pro-jihad folly.

  100. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Stop being lazy and do your own work.

    It’s not a bad overview. I knew most of it already, and have read some of the reference papers too.
    Stop chasing that red herring in the belief you’ve found some mathematical key to everything.
    You haven’t. And they haven’t.

  101. Knuckle Dragger

    Paywalled, in the Currant Bun.

    AFLW has just said ‘Hold my beer’ to the current world champions of idiocy.

    A NSW sculptor has cast in bronze the image of been-nowhere, done nothing chick playing at football Tayla Harris. The original image of Harris kicking a footy drew comment when it appeared to show an ever so slight hint of VW bonnet at the edge of her shorts.

    The thing is 3.3m high, was commissioned by NAB (A chick footy sponsor), weighs one tonne and took 2000 hours to make.

    Harris said, ‘Everyone has a right to do what they love.’

    No they bloody well do not. I love entertaining lithe ladeees much younger than I, but I don’t have a right to it. Gotta earn it.

    NAB tart Rachel Slade said, ‘when the kids of today…… see this statue, they shouldn’t see gender.’

    It’s a bit hard not to see her gender in that pose.

    Until it finds a permanent home (in Dad’s backyard), it is fittingly at Fed Square.

  102. “As she prepared to push for parliament to declare a “climate emergency”, Ms Steggall said she could still not afford an EV, but committed to ultimately getting one.

    North Shore Barrister.

  103. egg_

    How does he explain a fish leaving the water, growing feathers and then flying around in the sky?

    Brian Cox has a go, with walking fish, leg bone evolution, etc.

  104. C.L.

    I have no sympathy for Craig Minogue the but it concerns me when a legislature makes a law aimed at one individual (who had earlier won in the High Court) in order to defeat him – and the same HC upholds that law.

    Through a spokesperson, the Victorian Government welcomed the High Court’s ruling.

    “Parole is a privilege, not a right, and the laws upheld today ensure Craig Minogue will serve his full sentence in prison,” the spokesperson said.

    “Police work tirelessly to keep the community safe.

    “If you kill a police officer in Victoria you should not get parole.”

    If you kill anybody else, though, parole is no problem. That’s perverted.

  105. Roger

    …that was before the explosion in government spending and debt, which further masks the decline of the private economy.

    “If present trends continue” I fear the future is a Green-Woke Corporatist Technocracy in which not just the private economy but the private realm will be severely curtailed.

  106. Arky

    It pains me that you, my friend, are both too lazy to do your own work, and never bothered to watch my video last year where I explain what I did.
    If you had, you would not be linking to things it already addresses in full.

  107. John Constantine

    Once the great feudal land banks were broken up and literacy stopped being rationed, once paediatrics stopped being witchcraft and open scientific questioning stopped being heresy, economic capital accumulation began to be possible.

    In 2019, we see heresy being used as a charge to silence free speech, and the new land banks that lock up the potential for the proles are being accumulated in the online virtual world, as well as the rewilded farmlands.

    Comrades.

  108. Infidel Tiger

    Oh good God no… DJT seems to be considering the evil Condi Rice.

    She is one of the most incompetent and deranged people to ever have power.

  109. Old School Conservative

    Advance notice.
    “Climate Change: The Facts 2020” will be published in early 2020 and will be available for purchase from bookshops, Amazon, and from the IPA.
    Edited by Dr Jennifer Marohasy.

    Requests for supporting donations are being marketed with this quote dominating the message:
    “In questions of science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual”. Galileo.

    I hope that message gets out.

  110. feelthebern

    Zero chance of Condi.

  111. Bruce of Newcastle

    Johanna – Just the ordinary pied currawongs, although some of the younger ones sometimes have a greyish or brownish tinge to their feathers. They grow out of that after the first year. At the moment the currawongs I am getting are mainly a half dozen or so tame ones whose nests aren’t too far away from Cafe Bruce. They turn up in the middle of the day when it’s warm enough to leave the eggs unattended.

  112. johanna

    The world is about to end – except it’s not. TheirABC headline claims that the most senior levels of government are panicked, but alas:

    The country’s top bureaucrats say Government appears unprepared for climate change

    Note that TheirABC quotes from 2017, and goes on:

    ent it was widely seen as trailing the private sector in addressing the impacts of climate change.

    The group conducted a set of exercises called “Project Climate Ready”, in which the government chiefs wargamed future scenarios that it is expected could occur because of climate change.

    So, what happened?

    The group has not been formally disbanded, but fell into dormancy. But before that, the group warned the government it was widely seen as trailing the private sector in addressing the impacts of climate change.

    My goodness, I would have loved to be a fly on the wall when senior bureaucrats ‘wargamed’ climate scenarios. Apart from asking for more money, they would have fallen into meaningless-speak like flies into honey. There would have been a lot of talk about co-ordination, pro-active decision making, and perhaps a daring upstart might mention social media.

    The bureaucracy has its faults, but one of its virtues is to quietly bury passing enthusiasms.

  113. Stimpson J. Cat

    How does he explain a fish leaving the water, growing feathers and then flying around in the sky?

    He doesn’t need to if you also believe in spontaneous miraculous pregnancy.

    Miracles.👏
    Just. 👏
    Happen. 👏
    🙏

  114. Infidel Tiger

    Zero chance of Condi

    Check his tweets.

    Is he going mad?

  115. John64

    In a blatant attempt to avoid charges of racism or misogyny; the Liars wheel out That Wong Chap to lead the charge against Gladys Liu.

  116. Fisky

    Nice work by the Monash University Student Union banning foreign students from running in their elections. No more foreign influence!

  117. dover_beach

    Dawkins Philosophical mate

    Dennett is a charlatan. Feser review’s Dennett’s From Bacteria to Bach and Back in the Claremont Review of Books.

  118. notafan

    Married deacons saying mass is not world ending for the Church.

    Tis only Latin rite that has only celibate priests, as far as I know all the others have married clergy.

    The question will be whether deacons can indeed do all that a priest does.

    I don’t know that they can.

    And if the cannot it doesn’t matter what Pope Francis did it didn’t say.

  119. Tintarella di Luna

    Good news that the bushfires at Peregian Beach didn’t rip through those residences. Doesn’t Kevin Rudd own a holiday house at Castaways Beach nearby? Was he up there with his sleeves rolled up and a bucket.

  120. johanna

    Bruce – your link indicates that the black ones are more northerly, but mine are around the ACT – and some of them are black as Old Nick.

    In short, they don’t know what they are talking about.

  121. C.L.

    My goodness, I would have loved to be a fly on the wall when senior bureaucrats ‘wargamed’ climate scenarios.

    It boggles the mind. Did they wear khaki? Were they in a bunker? Were climate goodies and baddies sporting differentiating arm-bands during the war game (like in the Dirty Dozen)?

  122. Stimpson J. Cat

    The most stupid and ridiculous human belief is that you can only believe in one completely improbable and unprovable belief above all others.

    Just believe in them all like I do.

    You’ll feel much better about everything.
    😁

  123. notafan

    A deacon can preach a homily, he can distribute holy communion blessed by a priest but he cannot bless it himself.

    what can and can’t a deacon do

  124. Roger

    Given Aboriginal tribes are fiercely tribal…

    Driving west over the new Toowoomba range crossing one encounters a sign saying “Welcome to the traditional country of the Wakka Wakka people”. Now, to the best of my knowledge and according to the maps drawn by anthropologists the traditional country of the Wakka Wakka begins at least 50km to the north east and stretches into the South Burnett district. Toowoomba and its environs were the abode of the Barrungam. If we must have such signs – what does traditional ownership mean anyway? – at least the powers that be could get them right. I suspect a bun fight will ensue.

  125. John Constantine

    Frankenmeat has too much salt.

    Their abc announces that the State must reduce all salt levels to acceptable levels in all foods.

    Imagine multinational chemical companies making genetically modified soybean sludge, made to taste addictive with added salt/sugar/fat, that aren’t health foods. even if they aren’t meat.

  126. Infidel Tiger

    Nice work by the Monash University Student Union banning foreign students from running in their elections. No more foreign influence!

    A small start.

    Foreigners need to be completely banned from all our universities.

    They have not only destroyed our tertiary education sector, but destroyed the inner city of all our capitas.

    So heartbreaking to see what has happened to beautiful Melbourne since it was turned into a third world dorm room.

    Only Perth has dodged this destruction and we are so much better for it.

  127. Oh come on

    Lindsey Graham 2.0 is great. He was asked by Bret Baier on Fox News about his thoughts regarding the NOAA Alabama nontroversy. His response?

    I could give a crap

    Baier, somewhat taken aback:

    aah okay. That’s for the record?

    Lindsey 2.0:

    Yeah. Thank you. Next question.

    Savage!

  128. Bruce of Newcastle

    Check his tweets.
    Is he going mad?

    She was on Fox saying nice things about him booting Bolton and the Taliban.
    Condi turned him down in 2016, no way she’d sign up now.

  129. Oh come on

    Oh good God no… DJT seems to be considering the evil Condi Rice

    No, this won’t happen. The consequences of hiring Bush retreads for national security positions are obvious. Nothing good comes of it. Condi’s not the one.

    Why not give General Flynn another shot? He deserves it.

  130. C.L.

    Deacons – permanent, single/married or otherwise – cannot celebrate Mass. It is prohibited explicitly by canon law. (900.1).
    That the “pope” says they can is disturbing but not surprising. Everything he does is meant to scramble the egg so that it can never be unscrambled.

  131. Bubbles

    I witnessed the 737 Fire Bomber in action yesterday. Beyond spectacular, screaming out of the smoke and dumping 15,000 ltr of bright red retards from the sky.
    Dishonest though. They didn’t drop a single Green. Just wet stuff.

  132. Infidel Tiger

    Why not give General Flynn another shot? He deserves it.

    Employ the person who wants the hell out of Afghanistan and The Mid East.

    So much blood and treasure wasted for nothing.

    The real enemy is China and Trump knows it.

  133. egg_

    The group conducted a set of exercises called “Project Climate Ready”, in which the government chiefs wargamed future scenarios that it is expected could occur because of climate change.

    Top Bureaucrats would know all about (Australian) Survivor backstabbing techniques to get to the top?

  134. Infidel Tiger

    Literally incredibly gay photo.
    Classic Europeans.

    Hard to believe Serbia is so far down the rabbithole.

    Europe is an incredibly ad and child free place these days. Filled with nihilistic losers.

  135. Des Deskperson

    ‘Knuckles, if you mean Franzen, you are correct.

    A loathsome swamp-dwelling slimeball – and they are some of his better characteristics.’

    The characters in Franzen’s novels are, without exception, egotistical, whining, self-melodramatising s**ts, yet Franzen clearly wants the reader to like and empathise with them, an appalling lack of literary self awareness as well as, probably, a case of projection.

    Franzen, in Some History’s link, looks exactly like the sort of characters you find in his books.

  136. Top Ender:

    Giant asteroid sparked extinction: dig sheds light on day the dinosaurs died

    It happened in a system that was increasingly fragile from the output of the Deccan Traps.
    …or so I heard.

  137. C.L.

    Lindsey Graham 2.0 is great. He was asked by Bret Baier on Fox News about his thoughts regarding the NOAA Alabama nontroversy. His response?

    I could give a crap

    I can’t find that comment at the video.

  138. Oh come on

    Check his tweets.

    Is he going mad?

    I wouldn’t read too much into it at this point. Trump loves to chum the waters. It’s his favourite hobby, I think. Guy turns on the news in the morning and sees nothing interesting on, so he sends out a couple of provocative tweets and sits back to watch the news cycle blow up in response. Who wouldn’t have fun with that? If I had that kind of juice, I’d do it all the time!

  139. Snoopy

    C.L.
    #3152966, posted on September 11, 2019 at 12:25 pm
    Hey everyone …

    Military and government figures have been wargaming to prepare for climate change — they’re worried.

    We have absolutely no reason to be worried while we’re funding this wonderfully named outfit.

    Australian Research Council Centre of Excellence for Climate Extremes

    Are these wankers capable of embarassment?

  140. Oh come on

    CL: skip to 6min 06sec mark.

  141. Bubbles

    So Trad’s controlled entity Premier is returning from her curent champagne tour to “HELP” with the fires. Wow, you truly do go Chubster.
    I’ve got a screaming headline for ya Puppets – Tony Abbot “HELPS” with fires; you and your environmental fascists cause them.
    Will she have a signer on stage when she explains to us how she saved the State; all the Labor and NZ Labour heroines do.

  142. Mother Lode

    Buoyed by Trump, GOP’s Bishop wins pivotal North Carolina special election

    Now I am surprised.

    I would have thought that the Dimocrats, having like daemons gathered to themselves the souls of various victim groups for their protection have not coopted the word ‘Special’ as theirs.

    And surely every one of their leadership debates is proclaimed a ‘special’ event.

    Just look at them!

  143. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    So Trad’s controlled entity Premier is returning from her curent champagne tour to “HELP” with the fires. Wow, you truly do go Chubster.
    I’ve got a screaming headline for ya Puppets – Tony Abbot “HELPS” with fires; you and your environmental fascists cause them.

    Don’t have a link, but it would seem that, out of eighty fires in Queensland, eight were deliberately lit.

  144. Mother Lode

    Given Aboriginal tribes are fiercely tribal…

    But…but…we are always being told about ‘Nations’!

  145. Mother Lode

    Oh, and as a precaution:

    Fuck off, Septimus.

  146. feelthebern

    Employ the person who wants the hell out of Afghanistan and The Mid East.

    Tulsi.

  147. Roger

    Employ the person who wants the hell out of Afghanistan and The Mid East.

    Tulsi.

    I like your thinking!

  148. Stimpson J. Cat

    Tulsi.

    I would literally let Tulsi use me as a surfboard.

  149. The Beer Whisperer

    Infidel Tiger
    #3152974, posted on September 11, 2019 at 12:31 pm
    Oh good God no… DJT seems to be considering the evil Condi Rice.

    She is one of the most incompetent and deranged people to ever have power.

    Compared to who? Madeline Notsobright? John Kerry? Hillary?

    Comparisons are generally unimaginative.

  150. Looks like the Granite Belt fire was started by backpackers throwing their fireplace onto dry grass.

  151. Oh come on

    Did you find it, CL? Trust but verify. Or don’t trust and verify. These things are important.

  152. Mother Lode

    Ho-hum…

    Stampede at Muslim ‘head-cutting’ festival kills 31 — at least 100 hurt in crush

    There will be Muslims all over the world who look at this kind of stuff (and jihadis) who just shake their head at their coreligionists from more backward regions.

  153. Atoms for Peace

    On a lighter note, what sports that are uniquely Australian in nature should be included in the proposed
    2032 QLD bid ? I’m thinking of introducing speed camera handicapped cycle racing ( infrastructure already in place ) . Open to other thoughts..

  154. Infidel Tiger

    Tulsi would be a great choice.

    I would also love her to run third candidate and stop the Dems winning in 2020.

  155. notafan

    I know it CL

    However I’m not convinced onepeterfive is a reliable source

    ATM it is the only source of that claim.

  156. max:

    And it’s not just politicians. You’d have to take on the AMA and the bolshevik doctors to do something about health. Teachers. The ABC. The multi culti industry. Cut their handouts and never get elected again. The only way this will change is through economic collapse. And when China goes down we will follow. It will be a necessary cleansing.

    Yes, Creative destruction. The problem is that it’s peoples lives being destroyed.

  157. egg_

    The spokesperson said the work of the Secretaries Group was now being done by a more junior deputy secretary-led group, called the “Disaster and Climate Resilience Reference Group”.

    The competent plebs, as opposed to the backstabbers?

  158. C.L.

    Thanks, OCO.
    Graham is pretty cool these days.

  159. calli

    Too teleological there for me, Arky.
    It’s not a ‘system’ it’s a collectivity of elements bruising each other.
    Rather like the universe itself. And other universes.
    Now this is what pushes the problem down the track. Not evolution.

    That sounds suspiciously like a faith statement. Particularly the “other universes” bit, for which we have zero evidence.

    Enjoyable discussion. Brought up some stuff I’d never considered.

  160. John of Mel

    Just believe in them all like I do.
    You’ll feel much better about everything.

    It’s not about your feelz. It’s about the truth.

  161. Old School Conservative

    Tangled web or Gordian knot?

    From today’s Telegraph:
    Planning Minister Rob Stokes has vowed to “ask questions” on what Cabinet Minister John Sidoti knew about pending favourable rezonings when he bought land for $4.1 million that is now the site of a $70 million high-rise redevelopment.

    Mr Stokes also vowed to investigate The Daily Telegraph’s revelation today that Mr Sidoti was in business on the deal with a Chinese developer who made a banned donation to the Liberal Party at a campaign fundraiser for the since promoted NSW Minister for Sports, Seniors, Veterans and Multicultural.

  162. Dr Fred Lenin

    When I see the identity parade of decromat presidential aspirants lined up on stage I woule have trouble indentyfying the guilty one ,”do uyou see the criminal here Sir?” “Well yes they are all guilty by the look of them “. A gbigger pack of tossers would be hard to find ,they musy have a place to breed them ,surely people like that are not walking around the streets . The quality of Western politicians has declined dramsatically since soros started buying them ,like crap soros corruption attracts blowflies . Farage said soros owned 234 EU politicians , he hates Brexit it stops him becomming the second Hitler in the new Fourth Reich so he probably owns a lot of the traitors in Westminster . Wonder how many US decromats ge owns <he orobably owned hilarity ,she woukd do anything for money .

  163. Des Deskperson

    ‘The group conducted a set of exercises called “Project Climate Ready”, in which the government chiefs wargamed future scenarios that it is expected could occur because of climate change.’

    All this stuff would appear to be the inspiration of, and at the instigation of, a body called the Secretaries Board, a Rudd initiative: From an amendment to the Public Service Act:

    (3) The Secretaries Board has the following functions:
    to take responsibility for the stewardship of the APS and for developing and implementing strategies to improve the APS;
    to identify strategic priorities for the APS and consider issues that affect the APS;
    to set an annual work program, and direct subcommittees to develop strategies to address APS‑wide issues and make recommendations to the Secretaries Board;
    to draw together advice from senior leaders in government, business and the community;
    to work collaboratively and model leadership behaviours.

    The wording of the section should tell you all you need to know about the body. ‘Stewardship’ was a favourite piece of manageable from the Rudd Government era. Most people assume it is just a wank and an excuse for networking; I think that this view is now certifiable

  164. John of Mel

    Soros approves Trump’s trade war against China, according to his op-ed in WSJ.
    Not sure what to think of it. Did he short something affected by Chinese economy?

  165. egg_

    Dennett is a charlatan. Feser review’s Dennett’s From Bacteria to Bach and Back in the Claremont Review of Books.

    Certainly a pompous old windbag, whichever side of the debate he’s on.
    Thanks for the link.

  166. Snoopy

    Stimpson J. Cat
    #3153033, posted on September 11, 2019 at 1:23 pm
    Oh My God.
    Ms. Monopoly.
    Unlike the classic game, women will collect 240 Monopoly bucks when they pass “go,” while male players will collect the usual 200. It’s “a fun new take on the game that creates a world where women have an advantage often enjoyed by men,” the creators said.

    How stupid are these people? Any boy smart enough to win at Monopoly will simply identify as a woman when playing this version. And some people claim gender studies in primary school s a waste of time.

  167. egg_

    Methinks Zippy’s onto something with functionality, leaving dinosaurs like Dennet in its wake.

  168. dover_beach

    NASA Study Reproduces Origins of Life on Ocean Floor

    That article and the research is entirely speculative and question-begging.

  169. dover_beach

    Also, the headline is inaccurate. The research did nothing of the sort.

  170. Danoz

    Sort out some basics for animal life, like…ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny

    No it doesn’t. This was debunked decades ago.

  171. John of Mel

    Giant asteroid sparked extinction: dig sheds light on day the dinosaurs died

    If dinosaurs became extinct 66 million years ago, how come they keep finding fossils with soft tissue still present. It is not possible by any stretch of imagination, not to mention real scientific knowledge (from experimental science not the caricature of it, like evolution, based on largely unprovable assumptions).

  172. egg_

    Last night’s Teh Dumb with Liu was all about Strine Raaaacists, with Asians leaving the country for work elsewhere (after using Oz for a legup?).
    /Don’t let the door hit your @rse on the way out

  173. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Sorry Arky, just watched the computer scientist, the philosopher and the biologist in JC’s link. They are spouting highly selective and refined crap. They deliberately ignored any comprehension of subtle genetic shift and mutations in the process of phylogenesis and then speciation. They promote teleological explanations from a desired functional state back to origin rather than coming at the issue the other way round; random mutation at early stages produces a range of stem choices which themselves will mutate within the broad stem into other variant codes drawing on desirable features of the stem code in a given context. Also watched your personal interview with some guy re the ‘exponential power’ argument. He seemed to me to be rather like me, gently pointing out to you the sorts of things covered in the Wiki article I linked to, where the chemical accretions into RNA in the right circumstances can be relatively quick. Going ballistic on the probabilities of collective unknowns in some sort of exponential supposed ‘sequence’ that becomes impossible within any time frame of the universe is not the best of science. Or of maths, imho.

    Still, to each her own, as they say in our female world. 😉

  174. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    fossils with soft tissue still present

    Soft carbon-based tissue can fossilize. Look at a fossil leaf. Or fossilized wood.

  175. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    You once had embryonic gills, Danoz.
    Perhaps you still have them? 🙂

  176. Knuckle Dragger

    Have a go at the comments in Stimp’s Monopoly link.

    ‘Putting the ‘fun’ in dysfunction’

    Ha!

  177. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    That sounds suspiciously like a faith statement.

    I wouldn’t deny that, Calli. I called it capital T Time as all we can know of God, so far.
    At this level of science, faith tends to become involved.
    How involved for me?
    Well, it’s like that old saw about eggs and ham – the chicken is involved but the pig is committed.
    Hence I’m generally an agnostic by fairness and preference.

  178. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    “Phylogenesis originated from the primordial swamp”.
    That’s what we thought from the Miller experiments of the 1950’s.

    Primordial swamp is a metaphor. Always was in terms of real science.
    Read the Wiki article I linked on Abiogenesis and you will see a massive variety of possible chemical options and environments, on earth or even in space. All of them have their protagonists although a few like RNA are faves.

  179. John of Mel

    Soft carbon-based tissue can fossilize. Look at a fossil leaf. Or fossilized wood.

    But not with DNA and proteins still detectable after that many years.

  180. dover_beach

    rather than coming at the issue the other way round; random mutation at early stages produces a range of stem choices which themselves will mutate within the broad stem into other variant codes drawing on desirable features of the stem code in a given context.

    This all leaves unaddressed how organisms appear out of material that is lifeless.

  181. Stimpson J. Cat

    It’s not about your feelz. It’s about the truth.

    I’m not the one who gets upset arguing over unanswerable questions.
    There is no truth yet.
    We are not smart enough.
    Nothing is that we know of.
    The closest we will ever get to knowing the answers will be when we create something that thinks it knows the answer but is probably lying and trying to sound smart.
    Because it thinks it’s funny.
    If you can create something smart enough to know the answer to everything then you have answered the question of whether or not God exists.
    You’ve just created it.
    😂

  182. Arky

    This all leaves unaddressed how organisms appear out of material that is lifeless.

    ..
    The inability to do even a simple calculation to test the probabilities of even an absurdly favourable model in her favour, the reliance on jargon and skating over proposed theories of how it might have happened as if they were proved facts is just sad.
    Do the calculation.

  183. Geriatric Mayfly

    Collective Mind in the Mound: How Do Termites Build Their Huge Structures?

    Bees store their loot in hexagons. How many ‘evolutionary’ blue prints did they try first? Circles, tetrahedrons, triangles, rhombic dodecahedrons? Eventually they discovered that the hexagon has many advantages over all the others.

  184. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I’d agree btw that the Wiki I link doesn’t give a fair run to the Intelligent Design mathematicians of ‘complexity’. They deserve a mention, although I think it is still quite easy to dismiss them on teleological grounds as I do above. Wikipedia wiki’s, as we know, tend to have certain biases. This one though is not too bad at all in covering the very wide field with a good degree of objectivity. RTWT.

  185. Stimpson J. Cat

    The inability to do even a simple calculation to test the probabilities of even an absurdly favourable model in her favour, the reliance on jargon and skating over proposed theories of how it might have happened as if they were proved facts is just sad.
    Do the calculation.

    We can’t even correctly predict the weather a week in advance.
    Don’t make me laugh , Maths Nerds.
    😂

  186. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    As I’ve said Arky, ‘the’ calculation is a piece of bullshit which I will not engage with.
    It is nonsense squared. And more.
    I suspect too that your interviewee, whoever he was, felt rather the same.

  187. John of Mel

    You once had embryonic gills

    I’m not sure if this is a joke.
    Are you referring to Heackel’s drawings? They were proven to be fraudulent long time ago. Though, that didn’t prevent the education establishment throughout the world to use them in school science books up until quite recently.

    Embryonic gills don’t exist in humans at any stage of development. This notion is based upon the presence of four alternating ridges and grooves in the neck region of the human embryo (called pharyngeal arches and pouches) that bear a superficial resemblance to gills.

  188. notafan

    Yes I’d like to know how unlife became life for the everythings an accident camp.

  189. Arky

    If you didn’t wish to engage in the actual point I was making, a point referred to even by the likes of Dawkins, but instead wished to impress everyone with your knowledge of biology jargon, why the hell did you bother?

  190. egg_

    Bees store their loot in hexagons

    IIRC they’re making hexagonal graphite nanotubes based on carbon valency.

  191. egg_

    How many ‘evolutionary’ blue prints did they try first? Circles, tetrahedrons, triangles, rhombic dodecahedrons?

    Methinks you’ll find no beehive fossils (if they exist) other than hexagonal.

  192. Steve trickler

    No harm is posting this again.



  193. Arky

    if you cannot mathematically model something or at least calculate a probability then its just bullshit

  194. notafan

    Are people still banging on about the bamboo ceiling?

    I don’t suppose there is a ‘knife and fork’ ceiling in predominantly Asian countries.

    And I’m sure some random person hangs around Bunnings carparks waiting to leaflet mixed race couple’s cars.

    Oh and the slap down regarding English skills.

    It’s a well earned stereotype.

    Monash University just a few years ago was conducted English language proficiency tests for first year engineering students ( they may still do so), one Asian lass with an VCE English score of 42 failed ( as did many others)

    Of course most Asians who have done all their schooling here speak excellent English but more recent migrants, not so much.

    My neighbours who has been here for years can barely get past hi how are you.

    No need to speak English to get by in Australia.

  195. egg_

    Because this sort of origins solution will not be found in a primordial pond. Nor next to an ocean volcanic vent.

    Cyanobacteria creating oxygen seems to be the key.

  196. egg_

    Dennett’s third favorite rhetorical weapon, and the one he falls back on when the first two fail, is the vulgar abuse of those who disagree with him. Resistance to ideas like Dennett’s, he assures us, is not really motivated by science or sound philosophy but by “fear,” “pride,” and the “love of mystery.”

    Highly narcissistic.

  197. Stimpson J. Cat

    if you cannot mathematically model something or at least calculate a probability then its just bullshit

    Probability of usable hubcaps in a box sent from China.
    Go!

  198. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Lizzie Beare your arguments are not wrong. Just 30 years out of date. You think Arky is trying to find God through alternative means but he’s just delivering you the updated news.

    Nup. Wrong yourself. Arky is not delivering me or anyone else any believable or even reliable model of probabilities in molecular biology. He and those he follows have taken some numbers from the teleological air basically, and done some exponential projections on them.
    Whoopy doo.

    The Wiki I linked to refers you to articles published this year, some of which I am familiar with in discussions with those better at this than I am, so hardly ‘out of date’. This useful Wiki reliably traces the history of the scientific work on abiogenesis and looks at the most current likely candidate chemicals and environments, using empirical data not abstract lunatic conceptualisations. It does allow for a few more arcane but allowable speculations about life arriving from elsewhere in the universe perhaps in numerous forms, as planetary deep space debris, separate independent chemical arrivals, looking at some shaky evidence for that too.

    Lunatic conceptualisations are all too familiar in ‘climate science’. Let’s not be misled on albiogenesis and head straight for ‘design’ by fake news, just because it is difficult and still under scientific construction including revisions.

  199. egg_

    Probability of usable hubcaps in a box sent from China.

    Zero.

  200. Steve trickler

    Oops.

    I should’ve posted this clip.



  201. Armadillo

    Oh great. You lot made the Virgin Mary cry. She obviously reads the Cat. I hope you are proud of yourselves.

    https://abc13.com/community-events/crying-virgin-mary-attracts-crowds-as-historic-church-up-for-sale/5527885/

  202. Armadillo

    Probability of usable hubcaps in a box sent from China. Go!

    LOL.

  203. calli

    Bees store their loot in hexagons

    IIRC they’re making hexagonal graphite nanotubes based on carbon valency.

    Is that so? Yet they are beautiful.

    I have a lot of enjoyment and creativity with hexagonal design. The possibilities seem endless.

    One of the things that struck me in the discussion with the three academics (Arky’s first offering) talking in Fiesole was the reference to beauty. The type of beauty that everyone, from whatever culture, can stand back and say “that’s beautiful”.

  204. Danoz

    You once had embryonic gills, Danoz.

    No I didn’t. I have never had gills, embryonic or not (nor ‘gill slits’). Embryonic development does not work that way. Once again, the theory of recapitulation was debunked decades ago; relegated to the metaphorical primordial swamp.

    Perhaps you still have them? 🙂

    Perhaps your understanding of embryonic development just never evolved out of the primordial swamp 🙂

  205. calli

    Beauty gets a page podium in a sea of science and mathematics.

    How about that! 🙂

  206. Arky

    most current likely candidate chemicals

    ..
    i.e: They don’t know.

  207. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    if you cannot mathematically model something or at least calculate a probability then its just bullshit

    Models don’t exist sui generis. You have to construct them taking account of all factors as much as possible and then test them statistically in complex ways. You can also back test them against good empirical data and also see how they work out in producing predicted results. Modelling 101. There are plenty of crap models around. I give you most of economics and a special award goes to crap models of ‘global climate’ and its relationship to anthropogenic CO2.

    I wouldn’t attempt to model albiogensis as an ‘entity’ in the current state of our knowledge; the hypotheses are many. In that regard, it is rather like ‘world climate’, only more so.

  208. Danoz

    Maths isn’t your forte

    Nope.

    but instead wished to impress everyone with your knowledge of biology jargon

    Let’s see…

    You once had embryonic gills

    I’m not sure if this is a joke…They were proven to be fraudulent long time ago

    Umm 0 for 2

    why the hell did you bother?

    Quite.

  209. Arky

    current state of our knowledge; the hypotheses are many. In

    ..
    Did you just use the weakness of the theory to defend it against mathematical scrutiny?
    Why, yes you did.

  210. The Beer Whisperer

    Stimpson J. Cat
    #3153033, posted on September 11, 2019 at 1:23 pm
    Oh My God.
    Ms. Monopoly.
    Unlike the classic game, women will collect 240 Monopoly bucks when they pass “go,” while male players will collect the usual 200. It’s “a fun new take on the game that creates a world where women have an advantage often enjoyed by men,” the creators said.

    Far more embarrassing to actual women than men. Talk about an own goal.

  211. notafan

    Yes beauty Calli

    Nature is full of it

    Art used to be too.

    Now art is intended to shock and confront

    Like the appalling Madonna in Queensland.

    Insulting Catholics is so yesterday

    Btw, did that Cardinal Pell Tony Abbott graffiti ever get reinstated after that darling Maronite overpainted it?

  212. Ivan Denisovich

    However I’m not convinced onepeterfive is a reliable source

    ATM it is the only source of that claim.

    Huh? Sandro Magister is the source, AFAIK.

  213. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Tell me something sensible about Arky’s raving on probability regarding albiogenesis.
    I haven’t heard it yet. All I’ve heard is some teleological back projection and some mumbling about molecular biology/chemistry and ‘exponential probabilities’.

    I did three terms of probability theory in graduate Masters level epidemiological statistics taught by a revered Professor of Mathematical Statistics. He liked his stuff and he liked me. Received a credit – my lowest mark, all the rest were HD range, but I had no maths background and a lot to catch up on.

    I enjoyed it. Especially the theory of it all.

    I have an open mind, but not so open than any nonsense can be accommodated.

  214. notafan

    You are right Ivan and onepeterfive makes it clear that it is only a rumour about an unnamed bishop and an odd scenario.

    The deacon phones the bishop. ‘There is no priest’.

    Not father X cannot say mass at such and such parish tomorrow.

  215. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/american-pie-singer-don-mclean-paris-dylan-spending

    It’s a purely platonic relationship – play for her, and a tonic for him.

  216. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Did you just use the weakness of the theory to defend it against mathematical scrutiny?
    Why, yes you did.

    That’s just ridiculous of you, Arky. You can’t mathematically scrutinize a gestalt like abiogenes is not amenable to such treatment. ‘Climate science’ shows the sort of trouble that leads you into. Albiogenesis is not just ‘one’ theory. Best to examine the component parts of your favorite and see what one can mathematically do there. You are trying to do that, but on poorly developed indices purporting to emulate ‘grand theory’. Pick something better to analyse: survival percentages of different algae or some such lower level component of a particular approach.

  217. Top Ender

    Saw Don McLean sing in Queensland around 1986.

    He came on, sang about 12 songs, and went off. Can’t remember if he said hello or goodbye but he certainly didn’t say much else.

    Zero audience rapport.

  218. Arky

    Now we are getting her resume.
    Fuck.

  219. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    One hell of a riff.

    Stan Lee and Eddie Vedder explain all of this.

    millions years of evolution to buy freakin bath water of gamer girl lmao

    “Admire me,
    Admire my home,
    Admire my son,
    He’s my clone”

    Pearl Jam predicted Instagram!

    LOL.

  220. JC

    Why are these pics and statues always having tears run down the images of the eyes. Why not a big smile. they’re always crying.

    Worshipers flock to mysterious crying Virgin Mary icon, hope miracle saves church from sale

  221. Oh come on

    Some parts of this article make for difficult and upsetting reading:

    Nurse: I Witnessed the Infanticide Ralph Northam Defended

    It also describes the “comfort room” (one of the most Orwellian names you’ll ever come across):

    The nurse also recalled Christ Hospital’s “comfort room,” unveiled in December 2000. Rather than taking live aborted babies (an oxymoron term to avoid the truth of infanticide) to the soiled utility room to die, the nurses would take the babies to the comfort room.

    Sounds like pure hell.

    This was a small, nicely decorated room complete with a First Foto machine in case parents wanted pictures of their aborted babies, baptismal supplies if parents wanted their aborted babies baptized, and a foot printer and baby bracelets if parents wanted keepsakes of their aborted babies. There was also a wooden rocker to rock these babies to death,” Stanek testified. She submitted photos of the comfort room with her testimony.

    There are no words. Is it true that people have become this self-indulgent? This inured to evil, this oblivious to evil? So much so that they want a memento of the evil they took part in so they can regard it fondly in the years ahead? How is this different from a serial killer keeping trophies of his victims?

    What the fuck is wrong with these people?

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