Tuesday Forum: September 10, 2019

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  1. Oh come on

    Some parts of this article make for difficult and upsetting reading:

    Nurse: I Witnessed the Infanticide Ralph Northam Defended

    It also describes the “comfort room” (one of the most Orwellian names you’ll ever come across):

    The nurse also recalled Christ Hospital’s “comfort room,” unveiled in December 2000. Rather than taking live aborted babies (an oxymoron term to avoid the truth of infanticide) to the soiled utility room to die, the nurses would take the babies to the comfort room.

    Sounds like pure hell.

    This was a small, nicely decorated room complete with a First Foto machine in case parents wanted pictures of their aborted babies, baptismal supplies if parents wanted their aborted babies baptized, and a foot printer and baby bracelets if parents wanted keepsakes of their aborted babies. There was also a wooden rocker to rock these babies to death,” Stanek testified. She submitted photos of the comfort room with her testimony.

    There are no words. Is it true that people have become this self-indulgent? This inured to evil, this oblivious to evil? So much so that they want a memento of the evil they took part in so they can regard it fondly in the years ahead? How is this different from a serial killer keeping trophies of his victims?

    What the fuck is wrong with these people?

  2. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Don ‘t know what this means yet.

    https://www.rba.gov.au/publications/rdp/2019/2019-08.html

    Research Discussion Paper – RDP 2019-08 The Well-meaning Economist

    Looks like some sort of Bayesian or range values should be used until the final estimate, and then given a range anyway.

  3. Oh come on

    Apologies for the double post.

  4. Stimpson J. Cat

    That’s just ridiculous of you, Arky. You can’t mathematically scrutinize a gestalt like abiogenes is not amenable to such treatment.

    What the f$ck have Albinos got to do with anything?
    Jesus Christ.

  5. JC

    Don’t be racist, Stimson. Don’t be evil.

  6. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    I did note that I hadn’t really gotten into the paper but thanks for repeating my admissions of imperfection.

  7. JC

    Oh come on
    #3153156, posted on September 11, 2019 at 3:59 pm

    Apologies for the double post.

    Dude, think nothing of it. Redundancy is a virtue with some commenters here.

  8. Oh come on

    Which religious institution operates Christ Hospital? It is outrageously violating the Third Commandment.

  9. JC

    NSW Senator Andrew Bragg has attacked the “disgraceful challenge” against Josh Frydenberg’s eligibility to sit in parliament and said it was underpinned by “anti-semitism”.

    Speaking in the Senate this afternoon under parliamentary privilege, Senator Bragg described the Section 44 legal challenge against the Treasurer as “illegitimate” and driven by “people who have an obsession with the Holocaust”.

    Senator Bragg said Michael Staindl, who has launched a High Court challenge testing Mr Frydenberg’s re-election, failed Kooyong candidate Oliver Yates and lawyer Trevor Poulton — who has written a book called The Holocaust Denier — should “be ashamed of themselves for their appalling behaviour”.

    “They are bandying together in the shadows to try and unseat the son of a Holocaust survivor,” Senator Bragg told parliament.

    “They are pretending that they are not working together when they clearly are. The basis for this challenge is anti-semitism.”

    Frydenberg is a douchebag. That’s not even in contention. The attack on him over the issue of his citizenship is seriously fucking appalling though. His mother was stateless!

  10. Mitch M.

    American Pie was a fine song and once upon a time a classic.

    He wrote many much better songs. McLean was a good lyricist but American Pie is a millstone around his legacy because it overshadows all those other songs that ranged from satire(Building my Body, Prime Time) to insightful(The Pride Parade).

  11. Stimpson J. Cat

    Can’t believe that on today if all days we aren’t talking about Saudis, Dancing Israelis, Pentagon missiles, jet fuel, or steel beams.

    Outrageous.
    😂

  12. Arky

    You can’t mathematically scrutinize a gestalt like abiogenes is not amenable to such treatment.

    ..
    You either throw some reasonable assumptions at it and find there is nether enough time or particles in the universe to make it remotely likely, or you try to cast a veil of bullshit wordy vagueness over it and admit it’s just bullshit.

  13. Stimpson J. Cat

    Don’t be racist, Stimson. Don’t be evil.

    Evil is not questioning everything and everyone.
    That’s what evil is.
    Evil is not wearing denim.

  14. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    If you didn’t wish to engage in the actual point I was making, a point referred to even by the likes of Dawkins,

    The point you were making was never actually made, Arky. Your parameters and their derivation, and the likelihood of whatever projection you derive from them having any meaning whatsoever.

    As for the rest of you who attack me for condoning only good sense not wild flights of fancy. Yes. Ontogeny is genetically accessible these days and phylogeny is still reasonably charted by traditional classificatory systems with additional help from genetics and biochemistry. There are also outlying oddities. Way it is. I was of course joking about gills. I have studied embryology and know that recapitulation was simply an earlier attempt at sense making. You simply struck me as anti-diluvian and deserving of my scorn. I am interested in cosmology; I have a friend who has a degree in astronomy and she and I do chat about such things occasionally, in between watching chickflix together. I haven’t seen anything yet suggesting to me that evolutionary molecular biology in the origin of life is too big a timing problem for the universe to handle. Picking on the right chemicals and environments though; now that is a far more difficult issue.

    In the interview put up last night by JC which started this discussion, the Computer Scientist in the final discussion was asked a curly question by an electrical engineer about applying ‘intelligent design’ theory to back guessing the development of complex transistors. Couldn’t be done. It showed the intelligent design teleology up for the fraud it actually is; and the extrapolations from this about the ‘impossibility of molecular complexity’ due to some fabricated probabilities thus also to be likely fraudulent scientifically.

  15. notafan

    Oco

    Very loosely associated with the Lutheran church.

  16. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    some reasonable assumptions

    Nope. You don’t have those.

  17. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    What the f$ck have Albinos got to do with anything?

    Made me laugh, Stimps. Typos rule, OK?

  18. Arky

    look.
    The argument you want to be making is that it wasn’t one big leap to the information required to produce at once even a very simple proto- cell, but instead produced a series of increasingly complex, non- living but replicating prion type thingies.
    I address this in the video you did not watch.

  19. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Look here is the original abiogenesis experiment. Here is what they used:

    You don’t like this particular abiogenesis experiment? There are others. 🙂
    The field is still open. Some newer research is looking more promising on RNA.
    You don’t have to go as far as speculative computational modelling of nonsense though.

  20. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    If panspermia is true, perhaps the earth does not have the required fields or state conditions. Maybe higher pressure, gravity or magnetic fields are required.

  21. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    He cannot make the chemistry for abiogenesis work.

    I will check him out. ‘The chemistry”? Which particular sort of chemistry does he refer to?
    Work in what way? I don’t really care if he comes from Timbucktoo or what he personally believes, btw.

    Arky, my maths has been made fun of here. I merely indicated that at least I had tried to study probability theory, and to some extent succeeded. Hardly a resume presentation. No more than yours telling us all you are a high school teacher of mathematics.

  22. 1735099

    Just one end of a continuum along which many Catallaxians are positioned…….

  23. Arky

    computational modelling of nonsense though.

    ..
    I know you don’t want to go to actual numbers and stuff that might give you an actual idea of the difficulty of the problem. Todays effort has made that crystal clear. Also you think the vagueness and weakness of your theory exempts it from critical examination. Also that the person you studied statistics under gives gravitas to your views on probabilities.

  24. Arky

    Probability of usable hubcaps in a box sent from China.
    Go!

    ..
    No Chinese hubcaps are going on my car.

  25. egg_

    Are people still banging on about the bamboo ceiling?

    Yellow flight due to the bamboo ceiling in Oz, apparently.
    Sounds like a manufactured grievance.

    Liu pre-empting her chicaning in Parliament?

  26. JC

    Good win. Shows the sheep aren’t leaving the paddock.

    Politics
    Republican Dan Bishop Wins North Carolina Congressional Seat

    Voters in a conservative congressional district here picked President Trump ally Republican Dan Bishop in Tuesday’s special election instead of a Democrat who had promised to seek compromise in Washington

  27. Geriatric Mayfly

    Vaginal fluid transplants may soon be available in US BBC

    Will they be desiccated and come in those silver yeast sachets?

  28. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I address this in the video you did not watch.

    I only watched one video that you put up last night; the curtailed interview.
    I have no argument with the development of ‘a series of increasingly complex, non-living but replicating prion type thingies’ as anterior to phylogeny. It does seem to be what initially happened and is generally put (albeit loosely) into all phylogenic mapping. The chemistry of these things is interesting, but not outside of time. Perhaps you have evidence otherwise; if so, present it.

    How that relates to your assumptions about impossibility due to the improbable orders of magnitude required in evolutionary time is however still quite opaque. Seems to me you are reverting to accepting the mathematics of the situation as presented (falsely I think) by the Intelligent Design lobby in their teleological phylogenetic meander.

    Perhaps it will become more clear in the watching but I hae me douts.

  29. Danoz

    I was of course joking about gills.

    Oh of course. I was just checking if youuuu knew.

    I have studied embryology and know that recapitulation was simply an earlier attempt at sense making.

    On second thought, your humors do look a bit funny.

  30. Arky

    Seems to me you are reverting to accepting the mathematics of the situation as presented

    ..
    Dot levels of not reading my actual posts.
    I have already said I did my calculations before looking at anyone’s work, in order to get a handle on the numbers.
    I suggest until you do some calculations with real numbers you have no grasp of the actual difficulty of the problem.

  31. Armadillo

    Arky, you can bang on about probability all you want. Because something is probable, it doesn’t make it true.

    It’s how we get race horse odds and markets. Short odd favourites get beaten all the time despite the experts who are supposed to know all about it.

  32. Dr Faustus

    Just one end of a continuum along which many Catallaxians are positioned…….

    Not sure what continuum you’re suggesting, but if it’s Fuckheads at one end, and Not Fuckheads at the other, it’s quite likely that everyone is positioned along there somewhere…

  33. Arky

    http://catallaxyfiles.com/2018/09/09/arky-the-great-atheism-debate/
    ..
    Don’t recommend watching it. I have yet to get round to editing all the umms and ahhhs out of it.
    But the cat comments underneath give a better other side to the debate than we are from a Lizzie trying to rub me up the wrong way because I offended her with comments about biologists and girls.
    Don’t make me start to take Johanna’s side perky tits, no one wants that.

  34. Armadillo

    I suggest until you do some calculations with real numbers you have no grasp of the actual difficulty of the problem.

    Now you are starting to make sense. The variables are immense (even with something as simple as a race horse), let alone with whatever it is that you are discussing. Pretty much over my head

    #thankgod

  35. Arky

    Armadillo
    #3153203, posted on September 11, 2019 at 4:54 pm

    ..
    And you, you c***.
    You can fuck right off until you apologise for breaking Tom this morning.

  36. Cassie of Sydney

    “Just one end of a continuum along which many Catallaxians are positioned…….”

    Oh…the Jooo hater is selectively upset….because swastikas have been painted on a mosque…anyone remember the Jooo hating troll complaining about swastikas being painted on Jooooish schools, Joooish synagogues and Joooish communal organisations….NO…..silence…..because that hatred doesn’t displease him.

  37. Arky

    Sorry.
    Sorry everyone.
    It’s been a long day.

  38. Armadillo

    You can fuck right off until you apologise for breaking Tom this morning.

    I’m pleading innocent. Talk to my lawyer.

  39. calli

    All good, Arky.

    I chemicalised myself earlier cleaning the shower recess. And found a cracked tile in the process. Then my card was rejected at Aldi because lack of funds (don’t ask….grrrr).

    The day has got better. Just.

  40. Empire 5:5

    You can fuck right off until you apologise for breaking Tom this morning.

    G’day – just got in.

    Someone broke Tom? Like Bruce Reid broke?

    What’s the John Dory? Did someone spam the funnies?

  41. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Also that the person you studied statistics under gives gravitas to your views on probabilities.

    err, Arky, probability is probability. I’m merely saying I tried to comprehend the theory of it, and did so. Areas under the curve. The sampling of the sample means. Standard error. Fitting the line. Logarithmic progression. Analysis of variables by Anova and Ancova. You probably know all of this better than I do still.

    And then the more complex stuff: the nature of statistical universes, which is where it is very easy to come a cropper. At least I am aware of the problems. And way wary of people who throw around idea of probability too freely. I would think your champions don’t do that. I don’t know though.

    What I do know is that creating a model has to be based on good inputs; otherwise its gigo.

    You speak about ‘my theory’. I don’t favour any particular theory of abiogenesis. It is probably multi-factorial and certainly contentious, even within accepted parameters of evolutionary science and molecular chemistry. I’m just dubious about the extrapolations you make, using data (from where?) provided by philosophical others who seem to work backwards from a functional complexity in toting up their claimed improbabilities.

    Maybe the chemists have something better to offer. I’m listening.

    This is proving circular now, and unproductive, so I’m bowing out.
    I have a mix of vertebrates and invertibrates to fry for tonight.
    Seafood pasta! 😉

  42. Armadillo

    Did someone spam the funnies?

    No comment.

  43. Arky

    Everyone had to go an entire day without cartoons because a certain shell – dwelling diseased sociopath rodent upset him.

  44. Arky

    so I’m bowing out.

    ..
    I win.

  45. egg_

    Not sure what continuum you’re suggesting, but if it’s Fuckheads at one end, and Not Fuckheads at the other, it’s quite likely that everyone is positioned along there somewhere…

    Unless you’re in the parallel clown Universe.

  46. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Lizzie trying to rub me up the wrong way because I offended her with comments about biologists and girls.

    You could never offend me, Arky. I like you too much for that.
    We are very alike. Two terriers fighting over a bone.
    No-one ever wins, but that’s another day wasted for me.
    I’ll never write my Arthur book. My tits will lose their perk. All will be lost.

    Ellie, get in here and rescue me quick.

  47. Arky

    The sampling of the sample means. Standard error. Fitting the line. Logarithmic progression. Analysis of variables by Anova and Ancova.

    ..
    No idea what you are on about.
    Avoided statistics like the plague. Studied real maths.

  48. Tom

    If you can stand the insidious attempts by Twitter to censor what he posts and retweets, Trump’s Twitter feed is hugely entertaining. He’s now screwing with their heads. The Democratic Party has become the gift that keeps giving. They have so little self-awareness they have no idea they’re gifting him the 2o20 election.

  49. calli

    I blame giraffes.

    In blue frocks.

    Wait. Ignore that. The Domestos is still talking.

  50. egg_

    Climate, volcanism, plate tectonics all played a key role in regulating the oxygen level during various time periods. Yet no one has come up with a rock-solid test to determine the precise oxygen content of the atmosphere at any given time from the geologic record. But one thing is clear—the origins of oxygen in Earth’s atmosphere derive from one thing: life.

  51. calli

    From Tom’s link on Trump 2024:

    Yanay Boayue II
    @yanayboayue
    ·
    3h
    Replying to
    @realDonaldTrump
    This is dangerous and should scare every American. The president serves two terms. This is an attack on our democracy.

    Clearly the idiot never heard of FDR.

  52. calli

    And before the resident nark-o-rama chimes in, yes I do know about the 22nd amendment.

  53. egg_

    This is dangerous and should scare every American. The president serves two terms. This is an attack on our democracy totalitarianism.

    FTFY

  54. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    On second thought, your humors do look a bit funny.

    No they don’t. I’m feeling fairly phlegmatic right now. Well balanced.
    Galen would be proud of me.

    You’re new here aren’t you Danoz, unless you’re someone’s sock?
    You don’t do a line in steak knives by mail order do you?

    Now don’t you start on me again or you will be up for elder abuse.
    And I won’t buy your beaut new square fry pan for my fish dinner.
    I am the worst cook on Catallaxy and quite well off, so I’m your market.

  55. Stimpson J. Cat

    Everyone had to go an entire day without cartoons because a certain shell – dwelling diseased sociopath rodent upset him.

    Oh bullshit Tom’s harder than that.
    He’s probably just learning to code or something constructive.
    Not everything is about this Vietnam War Blog you know.
    There is more to life.
    😁

  56. Stimpson J. Cat

    See he’s back you retards.

  57. Leo G

    (AOC) claims she has awakened frightened from sleep at 3:30 a.m. because she’s worried about the negative effects of climate change on the world.

    It must be like having a restless night after failing to find missing car keys.

  58. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Yea, Tom! Three cheers for Tom.

    He’s back everyone.

  59. egg_

    Next, the team looked at three individual countries—the U.S., Germany and China—to see how the rewiring in these countries’ economies compared. While the U.S. and Germany followed a similar pattern as the overall world economy, China exhibited a significantly different pattern, with a spike in its rewiring occurring both before and after the financial crisis. However, to Goetz’s surprise, they found that the financial crisis was not the most significant shock to the Chinese economy during this time period.

    “The rewiring measure shows that joining the World Trade Organization in 2003 was a bigger shock to the Chinese economy than the Great Recession,” Goetz said. “I’m not aware that anybody has shown this using any other measure.”

    https://phys.org/news/2019-09-method-networks-reveals-hidden-patterns.html

  60. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    No idea what you are on about.
    Avoided statistics like the plague. Studied real maths.

    Wow! Just wow. Areas under the curve is real maths. Spatial maths.

    Arky, my maths ended at third year high school, aged just 14 when I left, an irregular attendee.
    Maths 1 and Maths 2. Did quadratic equations which I loved, and trig which I loved.
    Didn’t do any maths except what I picked up along the way (qualified as a book-keeper after two months night study in 1957; ;never used it) till I did my Masters degree in the 1980’s as mother of four littlies.
    Went on a very steep learning curve with that. Great stuff.
    Could have done with a lovely teacher like you at that time. I was often in tears over it.
    They were quite cruel at University, they expected me to just know it. All except Gentleman Prof.
    He was nice.

  61. Empire 5:5

    If you can stand the insidious attempts by Twitter to censor what he posts and retweets, Trump’s Twitter feed is hugely entertaining. He’s now screwing with their heads. The Democratic Party has become the gift that keeps giving. They have so little self-awareness they have no idea they’re gifting him the 2o20 election.

    Essential daily reading.

    The ruthless cunning in hiring a bloke he didn’t trust so he could fire him symbolically 17 months later on the 18th anniversary of 9/11, takes swamp trolling to new heights.

    Dan was a goner until 45 put him on the train.
    https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1171611976100917248

  62. Arky

    Wow! Just wow.

    ..
    Of course I know statistics PT.
    I taught it for years.
    Um. OK one doesn’t have to follow tother. But it did.

  63. dover_beach

    I have already said I did my calculations before looking at anyone’s work, in order to get a handle on the numbers.

    That is only half of the problem and the easier half. The hard problem for the ‘life from non-life with a materialist world view’ crowd is how you move from random collections of chemicals that are conducive to life and transition from this to simple organisms that exhibit teleology ( i.e. they reproduce themselves, the digest food for sustenance, and so on). This is a change in kind not merely in degree.

  64. What’s the point in creating a cosmos unless you create a life form that can eventually come to understand all things in that cosmos?

  65. calli

    What’s the point in creating a cosmos unless you create a life form that can eventually come to understand all things in that cosmos?

    Because you can

    For fun

    Creating stuff is part of your character

    All of the above.

  66. JC

    What’s the point in creating a cosmos unless you create a life form that can eventually come to understand all things in that cosmos?

    Why play the game , “Civilization”? You may want to see what the little fuckers get up to. I wouldn’t put the odds, we’re a hologram, at zero either.

  67. cohenite

    This all leaves unaddressed how organisms appear out of material that is lifeless.

    What, married women don’t have kids?

  68. Leo G

    What’s the point in creating a cosmos unless you create a life form that can eventually come to understand all things in that cosmos?

    What’s the point in creating an arboretum?

  69. Empire 5:5

    What’s the point in creating a cosmos unless you create a life form that can eventually come to understand all things in that cosmos?

    Who says you can’t? I plan on ascending this time around.

  70. JC

    What’s the point in creating an arboretum?

    They’re totally useless but look good. We had whole bunch of box plants put in on our bedroom terrace. Looks really good in the morning and with the night lights.

  71. Snoopy

    This thread is a compelling argument for not giving up the piss.

  72. egg_

    What’s the point in creating a cosmos unless you create a life form that can eventually come to understand all things in that cosmos?

    42?

  73. Empire 5:5

    Why play the game , “Civilization”? You may want to see what the little fuckers get up to. I wouldn’t put the odds, we’re a hologram, at zero either.

    The majority are submitting to a control matrix reality. It might as well be a hologram. It’s certainly low density consciousness.

  74. cohenite

    So evolution is wrong because ID is right or the cosmos is not big enough to cater for the stats of creating life from non-life. Ok, then can the anti-evolutionists document the spontaneous generation of just one complex life-form from inanimate matter? If this had occurred then at least a few creatures seen in the fossil record might have originated this way. If super-intelligent aliens appeared and claimed credit for creating life on earth (or even particular species), the purely evolutionary explanation would be cast in doubt. But no one has yet produced such evidence. So go on guys, what have you got; and sarah beach whale doesn’t count.

  75. Bruce of Newcastle

    Bruce may contradict me if I’m wrong

    Not me. I haven’t studied up on the field, and I tend to inorganic not biochem anyway.
    Btw there was zero free oxygen in the oceans until the last of the Pilbara iron ore deposits were laid down, because the sea was full of ferrous sulfate. Which is what is clearly in Europa’s ocean – hence the brown patches on the surface from UV mediated oxidation of the iron.

  76. cohenite

    Panspermia is one of the best words in the language.

  77. JC

    Dapper Happer
    #3153272, posted on September 11, 2019 at 6:18 pm

    Fortunately there is a lot of low-hanging fruit that shows us we have the cosmology wrong, and this ought to point the way for the Darwinists to catch up, should they choose to do their homework.

    The problem with Darwinisn is that it’s become whatever you want it to be as long as it’s supported by those who count. Darwinism is a theory that’s basically been shown to be incorrect. You can stretch it as much as you like but it no longer holds. The other problem is that because it’s so intricately tied up with materialism the non-religious religious adherents will fight to the death in giving it up.

  78. Steve Trickler:

    No harm is posting this again.

    I remember it from last time it was posted and loved it, but I’ve forgotten the individuals involved, and the occasion.
    Would you mind enlightening me?

  79. Roger

    Panspermia is one of the best words in the language.

    Be that as it may, that Fred Hoyle & Wickramasinghe were compelled to resort to it is telling in regard to Darwinism’s failures.

  80. JC

    So evolution is wrong because ID is right

    How about the humble point that we simply don’t know. How does that work?

    You’re on really thin ice, Squire. You’re here, most days fulminating about the theory of gerbil warming but can’t countenance the real possibility that Darwinism is fucked up.

    Two problems for you to solve.

    1. Show the evidence in the fossil record of mutation. Not adaptation, but a mutation from one species to another.

    2. Explain the Cambrian Explosion from the Darwinian point of view.

  81. Snoopy

    Darwinism is a theory that’s basically been shown to be incorrect. You can stretch it as much as you like but it no longer holds.

    That’s it. Game over. Go home everyone.

  82. JC

    Thats the scientific attitude. Thats the reason why the Christian era of science was so successful and why this new arrogant error of forcing your views on the data is grinding us down until the wheels look like they are falling off.

    So , so true.

  83. Frank Walker:
    I suggest you type into google Paris Dylan Playboy.
    Spectacular.
    NSFW
    Leave safe search off. Of course.

  84. dover_beach

    Ok, then can the anti-evolutionists document the spontaneous generation of just one complex life-form from inanimate matter?

    I’m not an anti-evolutionist, but isn’t that precisely your problem?

  85. egg_

    Mitochondria are your cells’ energy source.

    From above link:

    Both mitochondria and chloroplasts have their own protein-synthesizing machinery, and it more closely resembles that of bacteria than that found in the cytoplasm of eukaryotes.
    The first amino acid of their transcripts is always fMet as it is in bacteria (not methionine [Met] that is the first amino acid in eukaryotic proteins).

  86. JC

    The problem as I see it, from a trader’s point of view, about all this theoretical shit like gerbiling and darwinism is there’s no fucking skin in the game*. If a scientist has the wrong theory or is shown to be wrong, he still keeps his job and there is no punishment suffered. There’s no humility like there is in trading because when you’re wrong, your trading account has to be replenished or the credit balance becomes smaller. These fucks can say anything they like without sanction and it’s no surprise that the vast majority of “pee” reviewed research is basically crap.

    *No skin in the game = Nassim Taleb.

  87. Roger

    Darwinism is a theory that’s basically been shown to be incorrect. You can stretch it as much as you like but it no longer holds.

    Punk eek!

  88. cohenite

    Darwinism is a theory that’s basically been shown to be incorrect.

    You’re such a dickhead head prefect. Socio-biology is Darwinism writ large but contrary to natural selection; it’s arguably why the West is withering because it has so many people surviving, like lefties, alphabet people, who would not survive in nature.

    As for mutations biology has catalogued many traits produced by point mutations (changes at precise positions in an organism’s DNA)—bacterial resistance to antibiotics, for example. More generally you’re attempting in a half-arsed way to distinguish between development of new complex features and speciation. Speciation is rare as opposed to transitional species such as Archaeopteryx but the work of William R. Rice of the University of New Mexico and George W. Salt of the University of California at Davis with fruit flies has shown how mutational differences can create new species of the insect.

    Now you can argue that something had to happen before life emerged a la big bang but in the Universe it is not only completely possible for life to have evolved but factually correct to say so.

  89. Empire 5:5

    Caliexfoliation:

    He went west. He lost his virginity, his wallet and his mind.

    And a foot..

    https://saraacarter.com/leprosy-could-be-the-next-public-health-crisis-to-hit-los-angeles

  90. Snoopy

    1. Show the evidence in the fossil record of mutation. Not adaptation, but a mutation from one species to another.

    You do realise that a ‘species’ doesn’t actually exist? It’s a human construct?

  91. Stimpson J. Cat

    *No skin in the game = Nassim Taleb.

    Isn’t he the really smart guy who doesn’t believe in IQ and then calls people low IQ as an insult?
    He’s a hack.
    😂

  92. Stimpson J. Cat

    Cambrian Explosion

    JC when he loses money on a trade.
    Next!

  93. Empire 5:5

    *No skin in the game = Nassim Taleb.

    Probably the world’s greatest troller of intellectuals.

  94. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    The problem as I see it, from a trader’s point of view, about all this theoretical shit like gerbiling and darwinism is there’s no fucking skin in the game*. If a scientist has the wrong theory or is shown to be wrong, he still keeps his job and there is no punishment suffered. There’s no humility like there is in trading because when you’re wrong, your trading account has to be replenished or the credit balance becomes smaller. These fucks can say anything they like without sanction and it’s no surprise that the vast majority of “pee” reviewed research is basically crap.

    someone doesn’t understand science

  95. dopey

    My new cooker was delivered today. Some of the warnings.
    2. Do not use in the bathroom.
    4. Surfaces will become hot.
    15. Do not attempt to cook something that does not fit in the oven.

  96. egg_

    If panspermia is true, perhaps the earth does not have the required fields or state conditions. Maybe higher pressure, gravity or magnetic fields are required.

    IIRC two thirds of Earth’s water is extra terrestrial; amino acids have been found in meteorites and on comets, so panspermia shouldn’t be considered a joke.

  97. Empire 5:5

    Isn’t he the really smart guy who doesn’t believe in IQ and then calls people low IQ as an insult?
    He’s a hack.

    Think: “There is no such thing as race, ni’er”.

  98. egg_

    Methinks Dennett would have problems with octopii’s distributed intelligence = consciousness.

  99. JC

    Last evening, someone came up with the example how fish, over time, morphed into birds and flew off because there was simple evolutionary transmutation. Here’s the problem for me.

    Scales becoming feathers is one part. You also have to have the fins becoming wings and then there are the legs etc etc. But the fish brain has to be engineered to that of a bird brain :-). This is some serious engineering going on.

  100. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Zippy doesn’t understand science. Thats who doesn’t understand science. Science is about humility. Science is about forgiving the children for the sins of the fathers and having the attitude that any honest point of view is worth consideration. After Aquinas and Nicholas of Cusa it was Christian values that were, for the most part, the right ideas to have in science.

    oh please….

  101. Geriatric Mayfly

    That is only half of the problem and the easier half. The hard problem for the ‘life from non-life with a materialist world view’ crowd is how you move from random collections of chemicals that are conducive to life and transition from this to simple organisms that exhibit teleology

    It can be assumed that elements/chemicals have no awareness. A plant cell has emerged from the drawing board, its constituent parts relying on sunlight for energy. Add a dash of chlorophyl, set the electrons on “Go” and by rearranging water and carbon dioxide the cell itself will be sustained. The cell ponders, how do we face the next challenge – reproduction?
    And for what purpose did these innate substances coalesce to effect such a series of complex steps ?

  102. calli

    IIRC two thirds of Earth’s water is extra terrestrial; amino acids have been found in meteorites and on comets, so panspermia shouldn’t be considered a joke.

    It’s still “life” though. So where did it start and when?

    Aren’t you just relocating the problem?

  103. Empire 5:5

    15. Do not attempt to cook something that does not fit in the oven

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/newsweek-a-swedish-scientist-and-the-cannibalism-apologists

    The new fad will be domestic butcheries complete with German made bandsaw. Just the thing for dealing with a field dressed deplorable.

  104. calli

    2. Do not use in the bathroom.

    Certainly not.

    That’s what hair tongs are for.

  105. JC

    You do realise that a ‘species’ doesn’t actually exist? It’s a human construct?

    You do realize that we’re trying to put all this information in an intelligible format, which by definition is humanly constructed. So yes, a fish is not a bird. You comment is meaningless twaddle.

    Let me know, next time a dog humps a cat of the cat produces offspring.

    Species for the simple minded.

    A group of closely related organisms that are very similar to each other and are usually capable of interbreeding and producing fertile offspring. The species is the fundamental category of taxonomic classification, ranking below a genus or subgenus.

  106. Caliexfoliation:

    He went west. He lost his virginity, his wallet and his mind.

    And a foot..

    Go West (Pet Shop Boys) LA Version

    Go West – Faeces on the street

    Go West – Needles at my feet

    Go West – Homeless everywhere

    Go West – Diseases in the air

    Go West – Oh God now i can see

    Go West – Bits falling off of me

    lalalalalalalalalalala

  107. Dr Fred Lenin

    Is it true gough whitlam was the founder of the aboriginal industry ?

  108. egg_

    It’s still “life” though. So where did it start and when?

    Most likely on Earth around subsea vents, but those looking for the smoking gun* are deluded.

    *No pun intended.

    Spontaneous frozen undersea hydrocarbons and all.

  109. Dapper Happer
    #3153312, posted on September 11, 2019 at 7:06 pm

    Zippy doesn’t understand science. Thats who doesn’t understand science. Science is about humility. Science is about forgiving the children for the sins of the fathers and having the attitude that any honest point of view is worth consideration. After Aquinas and Nicholas of Cusa it was Christian values that were, for the most part, the right ideas to have in science.

    Can i get an English translation please

  110. Armadillo

    According to Arkys link, “Valets” are the number one roadkill in Cincinnati.

    I didn’t know that. No one else probably did either.

    Also what I’m assuming is a politician in Florida that I’ve never heard of.

  111. Muddy

    This thread is … simply … just …
    Whackadoodle.

  112. John Constantine

    New Zealand is now owned by OBOR.

    Their jacindamania is in competition with the New Zealand opposition to see who kowtow the deepest.

    Neither of them as deeply committed to the cause of Tyranny as the Andrews satrapy.

    Victoria and New Zealand are not escape valves to get out from under the dead weight of tyranny.

    When caliph erdogan dragged Australians belonging to his diaspora back to Turkey for prosecution after the failed ‘coup’ it was bad.

    The Tyrants diaspora must live with the knowledge that OBOR means they are sold out by the western corruptocracies for Aldi bags full of cash.

    Comrades.

  113. Geriatric Mayfly

    A review of a new book on Lucien Freud in the Speckie. Quite a goer it would appear. When asked why he had so many children all about the same age. His response was, “I own a bicycle.” Not uncommon amongst the arty set, he tried a bit of the other too, but was underwhelmed.

  114. JC

    You’re such a dickhead head prefect. Socio-biology is Darwinism writ large but contrary to natural selection; it’s arguably why the West is withering because it has so many people surviving, like lefties, alphabet people, who would not survive in nature.

    Man, you’re a fucking moron, Cronkite. You’re worse than the officially classified simpletons here. Yes, lets take queers.. Queers didn’t appear with the introduction of gay marriage. They’ve been around forever, which therefore invalidates your assertion.

    Lefties have always been with us too. In fact what you ought to be asking is how the hell did free market, free enterprise thinking gain a toehold at all.

    As for mutations biology has catalogued many traits produced by point mutations (changes at precise positions in an organism’s DNA)—bacterial resistance to antibiotics, for example.

    Is this a transmutation or an adaptation? It’s adaptation, you nincompoop!

    More generally you’re attempting in a half-arsed way to distinguish between development of new complex features and speciation. Speciation is rare as opposed to transitional species such as Archaeopteryx but the work of William R. Rice of the University of New Mexico and George W. Salt of the University of California at Davis with fruit flies has shown how mutational differences can create new species of the insect.

    Unless I’m mistaken, these guys sh0wed hove an insect adapted in to another similar insect. They didn’t exactly demonstrate how that insect transmuted into a killer shark or a three legged hippo.

    Now you can argue that something had to happen before life emerged a la big bang but in the Universe it is not only completely possible for life to have evolved but factually correct to say so.

    You, cronkite are forcing me into a corner in fast believing there could be no intelligent design because you wouldn’t exist if that was the case. STFU and go get ready for tomorrow’s land transfer.

  115. dover_beach

    You do realise that a ‘species’ doesn’t actually exist? It’s a human construct?

    Yeah nah. Species are as real as man and woman.

  116. Dr Fred Lenin

    They forgot , do not imerse in water while switched on
    Do not sit on hotplate while it is warm or hot .
    Plugging in to wind turbines may not work if it is calm .
    Plugginng in to solar power at night is not reccommended .
    Pretty slack health and safety there innit ?

  117. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    It can be assumed that elements/chemicals have no awareness.

    not it can’t. you can’t define the word objectively without giving it some independent form of being, in which case you would have to be able to isolate it independently from its chemical substrate. there is absolutely no evidence and all the evidence to the contrary that awareness is not an independent thing but an emergent property of particular types of chemical patterns. in the same way that pressure is emergent property of a large number of particles behaving in certain ways, awareness is also an emergent property of a large number of particles that behave in certain ways. one can’t isolate pressure from a group of chemicals because there is no such independent thing.

    A plant cell has emerged from the drawing board, its constituent parts relying on sunlight for energy. Add a dash of chlorophyl, set the electrons on “Go” and by rearranging water and carbon dioxide the cell itself will be sustained. The cell ponders, how do we face the next challenge – reproduction?

    And for what purpose did these innate substances coalesce to effect such a series of complex steps ?

    there is a finite set of ways that the limited number of particles here can coalesce. there is no “purpose” from the side of the thing in itself at that stage. they falls into chaotic paths of repeated arising, self continuation or termination.

    “purpose” only exists for a complex system that has evolved to firstly create meaning and then able to assign it to certain phenomena.

  118. Snoopy

    Homo sapiens
    Homo neanderthalis

    Two species according to taxonomic practice. What happened when they humped?

  119. egg_

    A new theory proposes the primordial life-forms that gave rise to all life on Earth left deep-sea vents because of their “invention” of a tiny pump. These primitive cellular pumps would have powered life-giving chemical reactions.

    The idea, detailed Dec. 20 in the journal Cell, could help explain two mysteries of life’s early origin: How did the earliest proto-cells power chemical reactions to make the organic building blocks of life; and how did they leave hydrothermal vents to colonize early Earth’s oceans?

    Authors of the new theory argue the environmental conditions in porous hydrothermal vents — where heated, mineral-laden seawater spews from cracks in the ocean crust — created a gradient in positively charged protons that served as a “battery” to fuel the creation of organic molecules and proto-cells.

    Later, primitive cellular pumps gradually evolved the ability to use a different type of gradient — the difference in sodium particles inside and outside the cell — as a battery to power the construction of complex molecules like proteins. And, voilà, the proto-cells could leave the deep-sea hydrothermal vents.

  120. Steve trickler

    Winston Smith
    #3153283, posted on September 11, 2019 at 6:28 pm
    Steve Trickler:

    No harm is posting this again.

    I remember it from last time it was posted and loved it, but I’ve forgotten the individuals involved, and the occasion.
    Would you mind enlightening me?

    The two ladies involved said, watch this.



  121. zyconoclast

    Frydenberg is a douchebag. That’s not even in contention. The attack on him over the issue of his citizenship is seriously fucking appalling though. His mother was stateless!

    If the challenge (hopefully) succeeds then this fixes his douchbaggery.

  122. JC

    Two species according to taxonomic practice. What happened when they humped?

    They weren’t two species, you dingbat. They were the same species with one group coming out of Africa earlier than the other and adapted to its surroundings. This is adaptation, not mutation, you nimbus.

    Now if one group had developed hooves and fur and small trunk and could procreate with the other group.. that would be a different species.

    Snoopy.. Take this to the bank.

    If a male and female fuck and the produce offspring then they are of the same species.

    Now, I like you and don’t want to get into silly arguments, which always occurs when you (always) lose an argument against me. And stop the negativity too as it’s unpleasant. 🙂

  123. Arky

    Is this a birdstrike?

    ..
    That’s not a birdstrike.
    This is a birdstrike:


  124. Snoopy

    Frydenberg is an idiot. All he needed was an unsigned letter on Hungarian embassy note paper.

  125. JC

    Zipperhead, you Kazakh, WTF was that? What ARE you trying to say?

  126. Snoopy

    If a male and female fuck and the produce offspring then they are of the same species.

    Horse and donkey? Lion and Tiger?

  127. Arky

    Anyone seen Don McLean’s g/f?
    ..

    I hope she has the clap. He deserves it for that awful bloody song.

  128. zyconoclast

    Good man

    Viktor Orbán trumpets Hungary’s ‘procreation, not immigration’ policy

    Procreate or face extinction: that is the message from central European leaders to their shrinking populations, as across the region rightwing governments implement so-called “family first” policies to incentivise childbearing.

    Hungary’s government is holding an international summit on demography in Budapest this week, being attended by several regional leaders and delegations from dozens of countries in an attempt to trumpet their investment in family policies.

    Orbán’s words were backed up by one of the guests of honour at the summit, the former Australian prime minister Tony Abbott, who saluted the Hungarian leader for having “the political courage to defy political correctness”.

    Abbott said dying populations, not climate change, were the biggest threat to western civilisation, and lashed out at Prince Harry and Meghan Markle for recent remarks that they would not have more than two children due to the effects on the environment. “Having fewer children in western countries will hardly make the climate better when so many children are being born elsewhere,” said Abbott.

  129. Farmer Gez

    QLD police arrest two teenagers for staying the Peregian fires.

    The young are most vulnerable to climate change.

  130. JC

    Horse and donkey?

    Yea, pretty much the same.

    Lion and Tiger?

    So are these two, although slightly distant cousins. You’re just confused with the coloration, right. Stripes confuse you? #Metoo

    Cats are part of the same species. Donkeys and horses I think are part of the … equus species. Look it up and come back as I can’t be bothered. This is getting boring now.

  131. Farmer Gez

    Staying.
    STARTING the fires.

  132. egg_

    “This means clumps of atoms surrounded by a bath at some temperature, like the atmosphere or the ocean, should tend over time to arrange themselves to resonate better and better with the sources of mechanical, electromagnetic or chemical work in their environments,” England explained.”

    Explaining his formula for laymen.

  133. zyconoclast

    Shaun Nakatsuru seems to have survived the colonialism, slavery, and racism in good condition.

    Ontario’s top court to hear case that deals with sentencing black offenders

    TORONTO — Ontario’s top court is set to grapple this month with just how much weight should be given to systemic racism when it comes to sentencing black offenders.

    In a case that could change how judges punish black people, the Court of Appeal is scheduled to hear the Crown’s challenge to what it calls a manifestly unfit 15-month sentence handed to a black Toronto man for carrying a loaded firearm.

    Last year, Superior Court Justice Shaun Nakatsuru handed Kevin Morris, a 26-year-old first-time offender, a sentence of 15 months in custody — further reduced by three months for charter breaches related to his arrest — on account of the disadvantages and systemic anti-black racism he had faced growing up in Toronto.

    “Social structures and societal attitudes that were born of colonialism, slavery, and racism have a very long reach,” Nakatsuru wrote. “We must not forget this. Our memory of past injustices must be long enough to do justice in an individual case.”

  134. JC

    Snoop, are you thinking of getting together with a horse? 🙂

  135. egg_

    He deserves it for that awful bloody song.

    “Everybody must get boned”?

  136. cohenite

    egg_

    #3153341, posted on September 11, 2019 at 7:32 pm

    Yes.

    Queers didn’t appear with the introduction of gay marriage. They’ve been around forever, which therefore invalidates your assertion.

    No it doesn’t you boofhead head prefect. Sociobiology is the theory that a society develops to reflect the biologic differences between humans. There is not separate speciation in humanity but there are certainly biologic differences based on mutations, superficial like skin pigmentation and more profound ones such as homosexuality. As far as I can tell there has never been a human society based on homosexuality. Inform us of one.

    Now, your idiocy continues:

    Unless I’m mistaken, these guys sh0wed hove an insect adapted in to another similar insect.

    You are mistaken; in another of your idiot posts you link to a definition of species, which is organisms which cannot reproduce with each other, which is correct. The insect example I referred to, and there are many others, involved insects which no longer can reproduce with each: ergo a different species was created through a mutation. Here I give you an example consistent with your own definition and you are blathering on as usual.

    It’s not as a spectacular as a bird turning into a hippo as you demand but it happened. Birds into hippos FFS. Why don’t you turn into a fucking hamburger.

  137. Geriatric Mayfly

    The ‘construction’ of the cell wall is a mystery in itself. Much specialisation needed here from random chemicals. Must contain the contents securely, but allow food in and waste out; enemies not admitted. Then dividing the wall to reproduce.

  138. Arky

    As far as I can tell there has never been a human society based on homosexuality. Inform us of one.

    ..
    Victorian Liberal Party.

  139. Atoms for Peace

    4,500,000,000 years plus a huge potential petrie dish.
    The ABC had to start somewhere. No hand of God there.

  140. zyconoclast

    More either non-hate crime rope knots or hate crime hoaxes.

    Naval Academy launches investigation after a ‘noose’ was found hanging in a construction zone

    Buck said while it’s possible the rope was part of a hoisting system to complete ductwork, the academy will investigate it because it ‘takes all allegations of race hate very seriously.’

    and

    Rope resembling noose found at Chabot Elementary School in Oakland

    “A family contacted our police department and told us their child had found a rope and just threw it over the fence, and it apparently landed on the fence in a way that brought about these feelings that maybe it was a noose,” said district spokesperson John Sasaki.

    But on Friday, a school staff member found another rope. This time, it was tied tightly at the top of the baseball batting cages, which sit above the school on city property

  141. Arky

    As far as I can tell there has never been a human society based on homosexuality. Inform us of one.

    ..
    Actually some head hunting tribes were this way I believe from memory.

  142. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    See that. Its just bollocks. Inanimate clumps of atoms will stay put for awhile. And then they will start resonating. Boogie on down. We have our boogie woogie. But the atoms in clumps have theirs also.

    Don’t be so gullible. They need to change the cosmology. And the venue.

    nonsense.

  143. dover_beach

    Horse and donkey? Lion and Tiger?

    I’ve never heard of a pregnant Tiger deliver a lion, and so far as horses and donkeys are concerned, their pairing produce mules. None of this suggests that species are human constructs, in fact, it suggests the opposite.

  144. Arky

    As far as I can tell there has never been a human society based on homosexuality. Inform us of one.
    ..

    The Sambia people are a tribe of mountain-dwelling, hunting and horticultural people who inhabit the fringes of the Eastern Highlands Province of Papua New Guinea, and are extensively described by the American anthropologist Gilbert Herdt.[1][2] The Sambia – a pseudonym created by Herdt himself – are known by cultural anthropologists for their acts of “ritualized homosexuality”

  145. zyconoclast

    Sashaying Their Way Through Youth. Meet the rising drag stars of America. They’re tweens.

    Desmond and his mother would still make it to the object of Desmond’s excitement: DragCon, the convention hosted by RuPaul in New York City in early September. It would be Desmond’s third year in a row. He isn’t a different person in drag so much as a more outgoing version of himself, he said. “I’m always fierce, fabulous and not playing video games,” he said. “I’m being AH-MA-zing.”

    Desmond pegs his start in the world of drag to 2015, when videos of him vogueing at the New York Pride parade went viral; at one point, a high kick sent a flip-flop soaring over the crowd. Next came gigs channeling Gwen Stefani and David Bowie, along with runway shows for Gypsy Sport and the Blonds.

    “Other moms are a soccer moms,” Ms. Napoles said. “They take their kids to practice, to games, they cheer for their kids. That’s how I see myself with drag.”

    Keegan, a.k.a. Kween Keekee, is a 9-year-old drag queen. (The New York Times agreed to not use the family’s last name, to protect their privacy.) “Our goal has never been to make K famous,” said his mother, Megan. “We allow Instagram to be a public account as we don’t feel we need to be pressured to hide our child, and because we think his story could help other kids.”

    When Keegan announced he wanted to do drag, one difficulty his mother encountered was that her family didn’t know where to start. So she took to Instagram to find a high-school-age babysitter who does drag. She also connected with Keegan’s drag mentors: adult queens who today help with costumes (mostly sparkly) and makeup.

    RTWT if you can…

  146. Top Ender

    Go woke, go broke – avoid Sendle.

    Sendle calls on Australia Post to go fully carbon-neutral

    Postal upstart Sendle is throwing down the gauntlet to its Goliath rival Australia Post, challenging the government-run giant to immediately go carbon neural in the midst of an “imminent climate emergency”.

    Australia Post this month said it would move to offset emissions for parcel products sent through its Post Office and MyPost Business channels, but it’s a commitment Sendle CEO James Chin Moody said was far from adequate.

    Mr Chin Moody told The Australian that the corporation’s timeline was murky. It was also unclear as to whether customers would wear the cost, and the commitment didn’t extend to all of Australia Post’s deliveries, he said.

    In response, Sendle said it would offset the carbon emissions from all of Australia Post’s domestic parcels for one day – a volume estimated to be 1 million parcels – to coincide with the youth climate strike.

    It’s also launching a campaign with a “limited edition” sticker range featuring Australian fauna including the Gouldian finch, Eastern Blue Devil fish, Red Kangaroo and Koala fitted with gas masks.

    Mr Chin Moody said the images expose the true impact of e-commerce delivery on the environment. Sendle will offset an additional parcel every time someone orders, downloads or shares the sticker on social media.

    “There’s no details from Australia Post about what they’re doing,” he said.

    “I would love them to commit to going fully 100 per cent carbon neutral, and not just for a small portion of their parcels. Offset the lot.

    “There are not many things we see eye-to-eye on but this could be one of them; let’s make the whole industry carbon neutral.”

    An Australia Post spokesman said the company had a “long proud history of responsible citizenship.

    “While we welcome all businesses improving outcomes for the environment — ours continues at pace: be it recycled packaging announced only a few weeks ago, this month’s introduction of carbon neutral delivery for all parcel products sent through our Post Office and MyPost Business channels, the increased use of electric vehicles in our fleet, or the fact that all of our big delivery facilities are now using solar generation for electricity,” the spokesman said.

    Mr Chin Moody said that Sendle, which has been carbon neutral since inception, would be joining the youth climate strike on September 20 alongside businesses like Atlassian, Future Super and the so-called “not business as usual” coalition.

    “Greta Thunberg said it well, that we need to treat this like an emergency now,” he said.

    “Not in five years. We need to take action now, and I think the community knows this. When people shop online, they are 63 per cent more likely to choose your product when you’re taking sustainability into account.”

    Sendle’s offsetting process involved the purchasing of carbon credits, and investing in environmental projects around the world designed to reduce future carbon emissions.

    “We’re starting to see that it doesn’t have to be a choice between saving money and doing good for the environment and society,” Mr Chin Moody said.

    “You can save money and the environment at the same time. Really smart businesses are realising how to utilise resources more efficiently.

    “What we’re saying is if we can be 100 per cent carbon neutral and cheaper, why cant you?.”

    Sendle raised a $20 million funding round earlier this year and is on track to have more parcel drop off points than there are Post offices in Australia by 2020.

    Link – includes annoying pictures of the annoying Mr Chin Moody (are we to believe that’s his real name?) He looks an original tilty-head.

  147. Infidel Tiger

    As far as I can tell there has never been a human society based on homosexuality

    Afghanistan?

  148. cohenite

    “ritualized homosexuality”

    Could you elaborate.

  149. zyconoclast

    Appeals court orders new sentencing for man convicted of brutally assaulting Rand Paul, ruling that his original sentence was ‘substantively unreasonable’

    Despite the nature of the attack, and the fact that Paul is a sitting member of Congress, Boucher was sentenced in June 2018 to just 30 days in prison and fined $10,000. He could have faced up to 10 years in prison, though prosecutors recommended 21 to 27 months because Boucher pleaded guilty.

    Judge Jane Stranch, writing for the three-judge panel, said there was “no compelling justification for Boucher’s well-below-Guidelines sentence.” In fact, she said the district court judge heavily favored Boucher’s background, despite the nature of his crime and the extent of Paul’s injuries, resulting in a “substantively unreasonable sentence.”

    The “extreme nature” of the district judge’s deviation from sentencing guidelines was made “without a correspondingly compelling justification,” Stranch said.
    The appeals court, therefore, vacated Boucher’s lenient sentence and remanded his case to district court for re-sentencing.

    In January, a Kentucky jury awarded Paul nearly $600,000 for the injuries he suffered. He sued seeking more than $1 million.

  150. Arky

    When Keegan announced he wanted to do drag, one difficulty his mother encountered was that her family didn’t know where to start.

    ..
    Calder Park raceway?
    Hey wouldn’t that be awful. You told your mother you were interested in drag and she takes you to the Mardi Gras in high heels when really you wanted to race V8 dragsters?

  151. Arky

    Could you elaborate.

    ..
    Absolutely not! Look them up yourself on wikipedia!

  152. Overburdened

    Dapper Happer

    Cohenite

    I reckon that starvation, loss of the use of power and free flowing potable water (laughingly called ‘essential services’. Bear Grylls would be disparaging of the softness of many humans, predominately in Countries that are seen as being the most developed) and a breakdown in the supply chain of fodder would stop most people in their tracks from thinking about cosmology et al and focus on the here and now.

  153. dover_beach

    Absolutely not! Look them up yourself on wikipedia

    Sociologists, etc. love to bring up this example, but it isn’t a society based on homosexuality, but reflects a particularly weird belief about the transmission of potency in males.

  154. JC

    I’ve never heard of a pregnant Tiger deliver a lion,

    They can reproduce. The offspring is strange.

    A liger is the result of breeding a male lion to a tigress. A tigon is the result of breeding a male tiger to a lioness. Since lions and tigers do not exist in the same areas, this is not something that happens in the wild. …

  155. Overburdened

    Zyconoclast 20:09

    The fact that this bloke is using coaches tells you it is not a natural thing.

    It would be a joke if it didn’t fuck up vulnerable people.

    To elaborate read the DSM I – 14R and the current ICD 10 regarding the topic.

    I won’t say much about this however I reckon It’s no good.

  156. egg_

    Dapper Happer
    #3153393, posted on September 11, 2019 at 8:14 pm

    Great set of animations, from Meyer’s series IIRC.
    There’s a great one showing running a series of Universes (140-odd?) to get the right combination due to pure chance alone.

  157. JC

    Cronkite

    No one has any idea why you’re bringing up social biology to somehow prove transmutation and other shit. STFU and stop annoying everyone.

  158. Overburdened

    Should be IV.

    I am a dick head.

    But hey

  159. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Inside the cell. As Aladdin said to the princess, Its a whole new world. One which cannot come out of amino acids near to oceanic vents. Change the venue and the electrical conditions and add a lot more time than the current budget. Then maybe you are being serious.

    it’s not a question of time so much but of quantity, and earth has plenty of quantity.

  160. egg_

    ‘essential services’

    QoS = 1 hour per annum downtime?
    /www

  161. JC

    How are people here rating Trump’s chance to win in 2020… assuming the present information etc.

  162. JC

    Don’t rate him with a win just because you like him or what he’s doing.

  163. egg_

    Micallef on ABC now.

    ABC Breakfast was promoting a clip slagging off ‘climate denialists’ as retards.

  164. Infidel Tiger

    How are people here rating Trump’s chance to win in 2020… assuming the present information etc

    He can only win if he gets massive rural turnout (suburban America has abandoned the GOP) and if the Dems nominate a coastal elite. Also if there is a recession he is gone.

    Sanders still the hardest to beat. Warren would be hard if she had stuck to her anti Wall St script rather becoming some Woke granny.

  165. Old School Conservative

    suburban America has abandoned the GOP

    IT, the electorate sees a great difference between the GOP and President Trump even if he is the GOP ticket.

  166. JC

    Artie

    The differences are hugely stark for asset prices in the US. How the hell do you price a Warren or Bernie presidency other than massively down.

  167. Overburdened

    Cheers Dapper

    I now have enough tangled analogies to last for a bit on Catallaxy

    I recall that ‘stickiness’ had a collective meaning at meetings some time back, a bit like when we were ‘drilling down’ or ‘getting on the same page’. I am a sentimentalist.

    Being polyglot I understand that the thrust of the ideas that are based on logic.

    I got nothing, and hats off for enthusiasm.

  168. JC

    Tulsi is easily the most loveable candidate.

    Naaaa shows her upper teeth gums when she smiles. Very off putting. Sounds kind of shallow, I know.

  169. mh

    Beteasy moved Trump out to 2.05 from $2.00 today.

  170. Tel

    How are people here rating Trump’s chance to win in 2020… assuming the present information etc.

    Let’s consider the options:
    * Tulsi is interesting but the Democrats will do whatever it takes to ensure she can’t win.
    * Biden used to be sensible enough, but age is rapidly catching up on him and his brain has started randomly backfiring.
    * Warren could possibly win the primaries … but hardly anyone trusts her other than a small core of committed followers.
    * Sanders doesn’t seem any different now than he was in 2016, and he has strong grass roots support, there’s every chance he will be the Dem candidate.

    I really can’t see the American people choosing outright socialism after so many generations of thinking of themselves as capitalists. I know a lot of socialism-lite has been sneaking in under the door, but now they have given up bothering to hide it. Sanders vs Trump must surely go to Trump.

    There won’t be a recession in the next 12 months … if that’s what everyone is thinking. Things might well slow down a bit, but there will still be growth, and job which is what brings the votes. No one looks at GDP numbers, but they do look at whether they have a job or not.

  171. JC

    I’m thinking of starting to buy some option protection in case of a Warren or Bernie. I reckon the discounting and jockeying is going to start early in the markets- possibly as early as next month. The downside looks really freaking uglified.

  172. Empire 5:5

    Carpe Jugulum
    #3153323, posted on September 11, 2019 at 7:18 pm

    In the navy 😉

    You could have been a producer.

  173. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Come on Zippy? Thats an argument? That hippy is all hat and no cattle. And when it comes down to it he doesn’t even have a hat.

    We want to find out how these molecules developed and became life and eventually became cells. But this sort of jibber doesn’t bring any light to the matter at hand.

    oh please, you have zero evidence for your position, occam’s razor shaves it away as an unnecessary complication. the evidence points to life having evolved entirely here.

  174. Old School Conservative

    Brave, articulate girl on Jones and Richo talking about her Complex Regional Pain Syndrome.

    If all teenagers have her mind and courage, Australia will be fine.

  175. egg_

    Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)
    #3153385, posted on September 11, 2019 at 8:08 pm

    Yup – “Endosymbiosis and The Origin of Eukaryotes”
    Mitochondria & Chloroplasts

  176. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    SBS reprising footage of 9/11 and its impact on people who watched it on the day.

    Awful footage. Necessary though for the current generation to be aware of what went on, what it was like.

  177. Armadillo

    I hadn’t seen this before. Worth a watch for “Yes Minister” fans.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Arc-zyK6r5o

  178. dover_beach

    I’ve never heard of a pregnant Tiger deliver a lion,

    They can reproduce. The offspring is strange.

    Wow. Still, what I meant was that the congress of two Tigers doesn’t produce a lion. Nevertheless, the combination of the two looking as it does and being infertile is further evidence that species is not a human construct.

  179. Empire 5:5

    JC
    #3153423, posted on September 11, 2019 at 8:44 pm
    I’m thinking of starting to buy some option protection in case of a Warren or Bernie. I reckon the discounting and jockeying is going to start early in the markets- possibly as early as next month. The downside looks really freaking uglified.

    Neither will play a winning role.

    Word is Killary is suckling Fauxchahontas in the hope to generate some future cash flow to pay back the cabal for their losses from ‘16. She’ll be Epsteined or McCained before them.

    Bernie is typecast. He’s the true believing commie mug who gets stiffed by the bankers again. He’s a fictional fall guy. The actor who plays him lives in a flash pad and pays his labour slave wages. DC has been good to him.

  180. egg_

    Climate tard segment on Aunty now.

  181. Leigh Lowe

    This fred.
    Not one of our finest it must be said.

  182. mh

    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    ·
    14m
    The Federal Reserve should get our interest rates down to ZERO, or less, and we should then start to refinance our debt. INTEREST COST COULD BE BROUGHT WAY DOWN, while at the same time substantially lengthening the term. We have the great currency, power, and balance sheet…….The USA should always be paying the the lowest rate. No Inflation! It is only the naïveté of Jay Powell and the Federal Reserve that doesn’t allow us to do what other countries are already doing. A once in a lifetime opportunity that we are missing because of “Boneheads.”

  183. Zyconoclast

    This fred.
    Not one of our finest it must be said.

    ➕1️⃣

  184. Knuckle Dragger

    I’d like to bring up the twin subjects of Darwinism and cosmology.

    The must be a punter here somewhere with a passing interest in it.

    No? Oh well. Forgot what I was going to ask anyway. Something about Cambria.

  185. Overburdened

    Dover

    Please refrain from being factual.

    I’m off to my safe space.

  186. Steve trickler

    It’s better than the shit on TV.



  187. egg_

    stickiness

    Can mean overcoming friction, e.g. in an actuator solenoid – stiction.
    Usually achieved by passing a waveform through the solenoid to jiggle it a bit – likely as in your diesel injection control solenoids and the like.

  188. Overburdened

    Tigons I think I recall.

    It may have been ligers.

  189. egg_

    Keyboard warriors on the march.
    /SMS

  190. Oh come on

    There is now a ‘Ms Monopoly’ board game, which is as preposterously woke as you would expect it to be.

    This could actually be one of those crazy-as-a-fox business ventures, because I want one of these board games and I want to play it for the lulz. It’ll be hilarious. For starters, I want to randomly assert that I identify as a female at any point in the game, and reap the benefits of being a female player. This sounds like so much fun. Where can I buy one of these idiotic Ms Monopoly board games?

  191. notafan

    LL is clearly referring to the lack of Maria.

  192. egg_

    How old was Sonny Bill Williams when he shagged Warner’s Mrs?

  193. egg_

    Knuckle Dragger
    #3153441, posted on September 11, 2019 at 9:00 pm

    Servicing a P76?

  194. Geriatric Mayfly

    ABC Breakfast was promoting a clip slagging off ‘climate denialists’ as retards.

    Apt cartoon on the MSM at American Thinker. Applies with maximum prejudice to the ABC.

    Caption: We Cover the News to Fit the Narrative.

  195. mh

    Nurse Testifies Infants Surviving Abortion Left to Die in Hospital ‘Soiled Utility Room’

    One night, a nursing co-worker was transporting a baby who had been aborted because he had Down syndrome to our Soiled Utility Room to die – because that’s where survivors were taken.

    I could not bear the thought of this suffering child dying alone, so I rocked him for the 45 minutes that he lived. He was 21 to 22 weeks old, weighed about 1/2 pound, and was about the size of my hand. He was too weak to move very much, expending all his energy attempting to breathe. Toward the end he was so quiet I couldn’t tell if he was still alive unless I held him up to the light to see if his heart was still beating through his chest wall.

    After he was pronounced dead, I folded his little arms across his chest, wrapped him in a tiny shroud, and carried him to the hospital morgue where we took all our dead patients.

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/09/10/watch-nurse-testifies-infants-surviving-abortion-left-to-die-in-hospital-soiled-utility-room/

  196. cohenite

    Any thread with even passing reference to panspermia in it is a great thread.

    Also the Liger.

  197. Oh come on

    I would never play Monopoly with mates. It’s a family game and I’m sure the missus and myself will play it with the kids when they’re old enough to understand, and we’ll all have a great time. Great and treasured family time.

    But Ms Monopoly – that sounds fucking hilarious. A welcome addition to any man cave. Bring beer and your imagination.

  198. egg_

    Front bar hard men discussing cricket.
    /Pffft!

  199. Arky

    This fred.
    Not one of our finest it must be said.

    ..
    Oh yeah?
    Whaddaya want? More Agatha Christie or more MX5 and Vietnam?

  200. Arky

    mh
    #3153453, posted on September 11, 2019 at 9:09 pm

    ..
    Hell, it is depressing.

  201. Infidel Tiger

    How long are they going to bang on about Danny Frawley?

    He killed himself. He didn’t die of cancer. What he did was shameful.

    No wonder the suicide rate is soaring and depression is the new bad back.

  202. Candy

    The nurse is also guilty of murder. No normal people watch babies die.

  203. Perfidious Albino

    Don’t think I didn’t notice your slight at 4:00pm Stimpy… jerk.

  204. pete m

    Yes IT

    The family claim he was a devoted father.

    Sorry, but devotion means being there for your kids even if life sucks. It means fighting off your demons.

    Depression is insidious and a tough battle but it can be won.

    Sadly his kids now know dad did a terrible act which will impact the rest of their lives.

  205. DrBeauGan

    I’m in Singapore after a fifteen hour flight from Newark. So I escaped from Cuba and still have my kidneys and other bits.

    Of the many disasters predicted by you cheerful lot, none have yet happened. The worst thing is changing time zones by 12 hours in one hit. It’s 19:30 and I’ve just had breakfast in the business class lounge at Changi.

    My plane to Perth leaves just after midnight. So I have four hours to kill and you get some of them.

  206. Mark A

    notafan
    #3153094, posted on September 11, 2019 at 3:04 pm

    No need to speak English to get by in Australia.

    Isn’t there an English proficiency test, when you apply for citizenship?
    Or it’s granted automaticly after 4 years if you apply?

  207. cohenite

    Well Doc, did you get lucky?

  208. Knuckle Dragger

    So I started reading this ‘Lethality in Combat’ book last night, after I finished my Spanish Civil War one.

    All the press said it was an essay on the human condition under the stress of close quarter combat, and the necessity of pushing aside ‘normal’ morals in order to survive and thrive in those circumstances.

    Turns out it’s about some pretend hippie teacher dork who thought he was brainy enough to avoid military service, but all his genius plans failed and he ended up in Vietnam.

    Then once he got there he decided he didn’t like it much, and he made himself such a liability his boss had to get him out before his mates shot him, and he ended up showing movies.

    And something about jellybeans. I didn’t get it.

    I want my money back.

  209. Fisky

    What do you call a sex tourist who blows about 10 grand on not getting any sex? I must admit I’m really confused by these Cuban travel stories…

  210. C.L.

    PJW on degeneracy

    Watson gets it wrong, though, in the sense that “conservative” means left-wing and morally subjectivist precisely because these are now the entrenched political/cultural norms. This is why I’ve refused to identify as a “conservative” for many years. I prefer rightist.

    Hilarious (and utterly true) take on men drinking beer from 3:08. Yes, it turns you into a woman.

  211. Knuckle Dragger

    1000 cuc that bloody book cost me.

  212. C.L.

    I get your point, Candy. But I think when Jill Stanek entered the picture, others had already done their evil. Yes, they are murderers – and murderers of the worst, vilest kind. I would have no problem imprisoning them for the term of their natural lives.

  213. Stimpson J. Cat

    Don’t think I didn’t notice your slight at 4:00pm Stimpy… jerk.

    Holy Shit I’m sorry man.
    My apologies.

  214. The Beer Whisperer

    The web of lies behind Greta’s rise is quite complicated and the stakes are huge.

    Astroturf, or, considering the evacuation of middle class wealth, gastroturf.

  215. Slayer of Memes

    New York Times: OMG DONALD TRUMP CALLED US FAKE NEWS!! HE IS DEMONISING JOURNALISTS!!

    Also New York Times: 18 years have passed since airplanes took aim and brought down the World Trade Centre. Today, families will gather and grieve at the site where more than 2000 people died…

    Also, a Twitter Thread in three parts

  216. Knuckle Dragger

    Excellent news for the pro-immigration crowd:

    An unregistered Uber driver picked up a drunk chick in Richmond at the end of her girls’ night. The driver fronted her, she stopped for a chunder, he put her in his car and she woke up with him roping her in her home.

    The driver got five and a half years on top, three and four months before parole. Some other, probably unimportant details:
    The driver was 28 year old Manpreet Singh.
    He got a LIGHTER SENTENCE because he argued that a) he didn’t film the rope, b) he didn’t get her pregnant and c) he didn’t give her an STD. Judge Peter Lauritsen said ‘apart from the rope there was no violence’ and accepted the submission.

    /paywalled, Currant Bun.

    NB: Obviously, Singh was on a bridging visa at the time.

  217. Zyconoclast

    London: Boris Johnson suspended the UK Parliament illegally in order to stop it holding his government to account over its Brexit plans, a Scottish court has ruled, in a bombshell new blow to the Prime Minister.

    In a stinging ruling, the Court of Session in Edinburgh said the Johnson government had prorogued Parliament to allow it to “pursue a policy of a no-deal Brexit without further Parliamentary interference”, calling this an “egregious” failure of good governance.

    They implied he had lied to, or at least misled the Queen over the reasons for suspending Parliament.

  218. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    egg_
    #3153309, posted on September 11, 2019 at 7:03 pm

    If panspermia is true, perhaps the earth does not have the required fields or state conditions. Maybe higher pressure, gravity or magnetic fields are required.

    IIRC two thirds of Earth’s water is extra terrestrial; amino acids have been found in meteorites and on comets, so panspermia shouldn’t be considered a joke.

    To answer calli: no it is not moving the problem around. Considering the variables might give test conditions to recreate what may have happened elsewhere.

  219. Mark A

    DrBeauGan
    #3153468, posted on September 11, 2019 at 9:32 pm

    I’m in Singapore after a fifteen hour flight from Newark. So I escaped from Cuba and still have my kidneys and other bits.

    Only because you beat them to it by escaping unexpectedly.
    Renewing you visa repeatedly lulled them into inaction.

  220. Infidel Tiger

    Daniel Horowitz
    @RMConservative
    ·
    36m
    One of the most important aspects of 9/11 is what the firefighters did. 343 of them perished. But if not for their facilitation of an orderly evacuation with the clock ticking, it’s very likely several thousand more wouldnt have made it out. #NeverForgive #neverforget

    Pretty amazing stat. More than 10% of 9/11 deaths were firefighters.

  221. twostix

    Lol @ the Scottish court.

    Your overlord Englishmen aren’t going to forget that one!

  222. John Constantine

    Deliberate non-panspermia.

    The foundation policy of earth’s left, in that no life can escape the grasp and control of the planned worldwide Tyranical Dystopia.

    “They think they can get away from us in space,” i have heard a lefty politico rage about space programs, “But they never will”.

    Seeding self replicating oxygen releasing nanobots onto a barren planet would be a heresy to their left.

  223. Top Ender

    You are a deeply twisted man Knuckles…

    Have you got to the bit with Custer and the Alamo yet?

  224. Old School Conservative

    I would never play Monopoly with mates. It’s a family game

    At a school I once taught at, I used Monopoly to give the kids experience at buying, selling, and negotiating.
    It’s a long game so we played a continual game over several periods in a two week block.
    Turned out the kids knew more than me. They were sneaking into class the Monopoly money from their old game sets at home.
    I lost the game but I then had lots of scenarios to teach business ethics.

  225. John Constantine

    https://www.sciencealert.com/cosmic-cloud-contains-enough-alcohol-to-keep-the-world-world-drinking-for-a-billion-years

    Cosmic cloud contains enough alcohol to keep the whole world drinking for a billion years

    All this floating around, and earth gets hit by the prohibition water comets.

    Proves there is a God and he is a Methodist.

  226. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Turns out it’s about some pretend hippie teacher dork who thought he was brainy enough to avoid military service, but all his genius plans failed and he ended up in Vietnam.

    The pretend hippie teacher dork had a perfectly legal, legitimate alternative to being conscripted. It’s all on page 45 of Mark Dapin’s book “Australia’s Vietnam: Myth Vs History.”

  227. Knuckle Dragger

    Not as yet TE.

    There a bloke in it who keeps saying ‘Get to the choppa!’ but it’s at Mafeking so I’m still working it out.

    Maybe he’s a cook. Like Casey Ryback.

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