Tuesday Forum: September 10, 2019

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  1. Oh come on

    Interesting how PJW is going out of his way to wear a Brexit Party hat, while Sargon and Dankula are prominent Ukippers.

  2. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Have you got to the bit with Custer and the Alamo yet?

    I’m as far as Ho Chi Minh at Waterloo, does that count?

  3. Knuckle Dragger

    Outstanding.

    A combo Pom-Australian blogger and her Australian boyfriend, after having a) decided to travel to and in Iran, presumably to blog about how beautiful and peaceful the joint was, orange man bad etc and b) further settled on a camping spot in the middle of a Revolutionary Guard training area, are now wondering they they’ve been arrested without charge and are in a northern Iranian jail.

    Apparently Iran routinely doles out 10 year stretches to whitey for ‘spying’.

    Nowhere near enough, but a start nonetheless.

  4. Oh come on

    PJW on degeneracy

    I normally like PJW’s stuff, but I couldn’t make it even half way through this one. Too irritating and preachy.

    Before PJW begins his sermon, he concedes that he’s “bathed in the waters of the profane on many occasions”, but then he proceeds to dunk on fellow bathers who were unlucky enough to have been videoed at the least flattering moments of their bathing. I strongly suspect that if footage of PJW at his most undignified were publicly available, he wouldn’t have made this video.

  5. Infidel Tiger

    Unbelievable.

    Mitch Marsh back in the Test team.

  6. Slayer of Memes

    The NY Times has updated that awful 9/11 article we told you about earlier and deleted the tweet that said, “18 years have passed since airplanes took aim and brought down the World Trade Center.

    The New York Times
    @nytimes

    We’ve deleted an earlier tweet to this story and have edited for clarity. The story has also been updated.

    “Edited for clarity”? Yeah, OK. Go with that

    New York Times can Go Fuck Themselves…

  7. MatrixTransform

    teach business ethics.

    there are business ethics?

  8. Delcon

    Daniel Horowitz
    @RMConservative
    ·
    36m
    One of the most important aspects of 9/11 is what the firefighters did. 343 of them perished. But if not for their facilitation of an orderly evacuation with the clock ticking, it’s very likely several thousand more wouldnt have made it out. #NeverForgive #neverforget

    Pretty amazing stat. More than 10% of 9/11 deaths were firefighters.

    The courage of the firefighters deserves our respect.
    However, I’d be very surprised if internally, there hasn’t been some massive re-writing of procedures in the FDNY.
    Is the suggestion here that hundreds of emergency workers had to pay with their lives by entering the World Trade towers, instead of just sounding out an announcement to the effect “everybody get the eff out of the building”?
    BTW, I’m pretty sure that I saw on some docu that after the first plane hit, the announcement system in the second, yet-to-be-hit, tower informed everyone there that they are safe and that they should not try to evacuate, thus dooming hundreds of them.

  9. Old School Conservative

    New York Times can Go Fuck Themselves…

    Yes.
    They were grubs for implying that the airplanes themselves “took aim”, and compounded their treason by downplaying the number who were killed. “Over 2000 people died”.
    Actually sir, 2,977 people were killed that day and 19 Islamic terrorists killed themselves too.

  10. Old School Conservative

    Is the suggestion here that hundreds of emergency workers had to pay with their lives by entering the World Trade towers, instead of just sounding out an announcement to the effect “everybody get the eff out of the building”?

    I assume no-one knew the towers would collapse, and the firefighters were trying to rescue people trapped on the higher floors – as well as coordinating the lower floor evacuations.

  11. Old School Conservative

    New York Times can Go Fuck Themselves…

    Yes.
    They were grubs for implying that the airplanes themselves “took aim”, and compounded their treason by downplaying the number who were killed. “Over 2000 people died”.
    2,977 people were killed that day and 19 Iz – Lamb terrorists killed themselves too.

  12. Delcon

    I assume no-one knew the towers would collapse, and the firefighters were trying to rescue people trapped on the higher floors – as well as coordinating the lower floor evacuations.

    That was my point: what exactly does “coordinating the lower floor evacuations” mean?
    If I was trying to evacuate a building, I wouldn’t need two manly firefighters holding my hands. I’d just rush to the fire stairs and run downstairs. Not rocket science.

  13. John Constantine

    https://www.cricket.com.au/news/australia-name-squad-12-xi-fifth-ashes-test-england-tim-paine-head-marsh-cummins-hazlewood-siddle/2019-09-11

    Marsh gets shock recall for fifth Ashes Test

    Australia’s skipper Tim Paine has announced a group of 12 players for the fifth Test, with Travis Head replaced by Mitchell Marsh

  14. Rex Mango

    Here’s list of firefighter names. Two things stand out. Gender and ethnicity. NSW has been pursuing program to make fire brigade female and multicultural for years. Reference procedures entering burning buildings, there was show tonight on SBS where one of the survivors going down the stairs asked the fireman going up, what he was doing? He said ‘My job’.:

    http://www.iskandar.com/waleed911/firefighters.html

  15. Delcon

    It is a bit like the first thing you are told, if you try to get a boat licence, and there is a man overboard, to, whatever you do, not jump into the water too.

  16. Knuckle Dragger

    Delcon,

    Do it with several thousand other people all at the same time running down dozens of flights of stairs and see how you go.

    The lifts – inoperable, for all intents and purposes. Plus, as has been said, punters trapped on the top floor. You won’t know if there’s a way out for them until you get up there.

    Plus, as they’re paramedic-trained as well, the injured and trapped under various bits of heavy stuff.

    Yeah, they’re going in.

  17. Black Ball

    FFS Mitch Marsh eh? Must have pics of Langer in compromised positions, in several states of undress to get a gig. If the flog is indeed playing, drop Warner and let him open.

  18. John Constantine

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_effects_arising_from_the_September_11_attacks

    Lung disease, cancer and PTSD.

    If not fatal, thousands of people were badly injured in the cleanup. The toxic smoke and dust may have done more damage than the impacts.

  19. Knuckle Dragger

    Clearly, Swampy’s down to his last box of Margaret River red for the upcoming annual barbie.

  20. Delcon

    Hindsight is a great thing, I guess.
    Their courage is undeniable.
    Let us salute their memory.

  21. Rex Mango

    Another thing that should be remembered is no engineer thought the buildings would collapse, but every single firefighter knew at best they would climb 80 floors carrying their own body weight in gear, to finally get to grips with an out of control kerosene fire in narrow stairwells with no outside assistance. Pretty sure the dumbest amongst them knew it was a suicide mission.

  22. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Pretty sure the dumbest amongst them knew it was a suicide mission.

    They might just have thought it was their duty?

  23. Black Ball

    Indeed Delcon. As first responders they were compelled to act. Their work was to put out fires first and foremost, then co-ordinate the evacuation of people. Just waiting for Fitzsimons to write an apology to the perpetrators of this outrage.

  24. Rex Mango

    Steve McQueen was v good as the fire chief in Towering Inferno.

  25. Delcon

    Another thing that should be remembered is no engineer thought the buildings would collapse

    When I watched the towers burning it was clear to me they would, though that may have been in later stages of the fire. In earlier stages maybe it wasn’t so clear. Having said that, and that goes to my main point in this thread, and that is that this possibility should have been considered by the FDNY. But, who knows.

  26. John Constantine

    https://www.theland.com.au/story/6374660/nothing-north-of-the-murray-harvesters-take-hit/?cs=4941&fbclid=IwAR1mZJMjINbu9ij-Jpf32hJ_w11jQBM1hKVgzltiXJngL1OPuW40p886k3k

    THE ANNUAL migration of contract harvesters following the grain from Queensland down to Victoria as harvest extends from north to south will be cut short this year due to the drought in northern and central NSW and Queensland.

    Contractors have said there is not sufficient grain in the northern run, barring geographically remote Central Queensland, to make it worth the expense of moving equipment north.

    Instead they will be sticking to Victoria, where crop prospects are better or looking at diversifying into other forms of agricultural contracting, such as hay-making.

    Geoff Mulholland, spokesman for Australian Custom Harvesters (ACH), the representative body for the contract harvesting sector, said contractors faced bleak prospects in trying to get enough work to make money this year.

    “There is nothing happening basically north of the Murray River, there will just not be the acres to do, it is not a contractor going up there,” Mr Mulholland said.

  27. Rex Mango

    Seems when they designed the WTC they considered a 707 hitting them, but discounted the possibility of it bring them down, due lack of ability to computer model the consequences, like they do now with the climate. B25 hit the Empire State in WW2 and not much happened.

  28. Zyconoclast

    Rex Mango
    #3153513, posted on September 11, 2019 at 11:27 pm
    Here’s list of firefighter names. Two things stand out. Gender and ethnicity.

    I only read about 10 names.
    I know it’s not the same, but it reminded me of the PBS News Hour where they would show the pictures and list the names of the dead US servicemen from Afghanistan and Iraq.

  29. C.L.

    Before PJW begins his sermon, he concedes that he’s “bathed in the waters of the profane on many occasions”

    That doesn’t mean he used to urinate on foreign war memorials.

  30. Delcon

    Seems when they designed the WTC they considered a 707 hitting them, but discounted the possibility of it bring them down

    Possibly they did not think that a plane will slam into the towers at maximum speed, deliberately loaded with almost full tanks of fuel. Ultimately, the 9/11 failure lies with the US intelligence community and, maybe more so, the overseeing government policies.

  31. Delcon

    … it reminded me of the PBS News Hour where they would show the pictures and list the names of the dead US servicemen from Afghanistan and Iraq.

    If I’m not wrong, PBS stopped doing so once Obama became POTUS.

  32. John Constantine

    The hearings into the failed basement bombings of the First failed attacks on the Two Towers went full disaster porn enough to lay out exactly what it would take to bring the buildings down. Blueprint for terror, tax funded.

  33. Rex Mango

    Wasn’t the speed, it was the fuel load. Can’t blame really blame the engineers as no-one had done such a test before. Not sure the perps even thought they would collapse the buildings. Obviously they got it wrong first time round in 93 with a truck bomb in basement. As I remember it, when being flown out of NYC in a chopper to his retirement home, they took off what’s his face’s blindfold to show him the WTC still standing and asked him what he thought. He said ‘I should’ve used a bigger bomb’.

  34. John Constantine

    Add the direct three thousand dead, to the ten thousand maimed in the cleanup, add the cancer to the lung damage to the ptsd of families and those living downwind of the fires.

    Still not a fraction of the damage caused as the attacks roused the western left to rise from their despair over the fall of the Berlin Wall, to launch a do or die civil war to overthrow western industrial civilisation.

    So far the left is winning.

    The most successful and genocidal single attack in history.

  35. Rex Mango

    Great Mailbox from Steyn here where he points out the ringleader (can’t spell name) still hasn’t got to trial after 18yrs & confessing – this comparable with the justice system in Victoria:



  36. John Constantine

    Australian Pacific Coal (ASX:AQC) is mulling whether it will appeal the NSW Independent Planning Commission’s (IPC) decision not to approve a five year extension to its Dartbrook mine in the Hunter Valley. The company said the IPC knocked back the approval despite the NSW Department of Planning and Environment saying “the impacts of the modification are acceptable and the proposal is approvable” so long as Australian Pacific Coal meets the necessary conditions. The company has until November 8 to appeal.

  37. John Constantine

    Cannabis regulation in Australia has taken a step forward.

    Last Thursday, a report into the Narcotic Drugs Act (ND Act) was tabled in Parliament, which recommended a major overhaul of the licensing regime for the drug and might see more Australian businesses able to operate in the growing market.

    The Review of the Narcotic Drugs Act 1967 Final Report was compiled by Australian National University Professor John McMillan and commissioned by Health Minister Greg Hunt in 2018 to reviewe how effective the law has been in terms of cannabis regulation.

    Following three public consultations, the report detailed 26 recommendations around cannabis licensing and the role of the Office of Drug Control (ODC), the government agency that regulates and provides advice on the manufacture, import and export of drugs including cannabis in Australia.

    One of the main recommendations from the report was to amend the Act once again to establish a single licence scheme for cannabis production.

    In 2016, the ND Act was amended to create a national regime that allowed the cultivation and production of cannabis in Australia under a licensing scheme. The licences however, would be granted separately for cultivation and production (combined), research and manufacture.

    The report noted that not only is the three licence structure complicated for applicants, it creates a burden for the ODC as well — a problem that Business Insider Australia has previously highlighted.

    “Licence applicants must submit separate applications for each licence, provide information and documents of a similar kind in support of each application and liaise with the ODC (and possibly different ODC staff) on each application,” the report said. “Doubts can arise as to which activities (such as research and product development) fall within each licence category.”

    The report called for the creation of a single licence structure that could authorise some or all of the cultivation, production, manufacture and research processes.

    “This would enable adoption of a simpler and more streamlined process for licence application and approval,” the report said.

    As of June 2019, the ODC received 246 licence applications but only granted 63 (24 medicinal cannabis licences, 16 cannabis research licences and 23 manufacture licences)

  38. Delcon

    … the damage caused as the attacks roused the western left to rise from their despair over the fall of the Berlin Wall.

    Many in the West saw the fall of the Berlin Wall as the final victory, as “the end of history”.
    The last vestige of the West’s enemies has collapsed, people thought. Victory is ours.
    But maybe the West’s worst enemy was, and is, actually within it: The Left.

  39. John Constantine

    Australia has a window to end the war on drugs and the corrupting superprofits it causes.

    Our elites are not opposed to the massive bribes and bags of cash the cartels throw around, but the end result is Mexico.

    Stomach-churning displays of criminal might are not unusual in Mexico, which last year suffered a record 35,964 murders.

    But the CJNG has become particularly notorious for its willingness to confront Mexican authorities with brazen public shows of brute force and firepower.

    In May video footage emerged showing heavily armed cartel members parading through Zamora, another city in Michoacán, in cars marked with their group’s insignia. The cartel was blamed for a battle with local police that day that reportedly left at least four officers dead.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/aug/08/mexico-bodies-police-uruapan-drug-cartels

  40. John Constantine

    the major miners have been bitten.

    For example, [ASX listed] Africa Iron, which had an iron ore project in the DRC, was sold to [JSE listed] Exxaro for $300m.

    Exxaro then sold that project a couple of years ago for $2m.

    Look what happened with Rio’s acquisition of the [Mozambique-based coal developer] Riversdale – they eventually wrote that off, all $3.2 billion dollars’ worth.

  41. John Constantine

    100 STOLEN GUNS FOUND IN FORRESTDALE😳
    Western Australia Police Force have seized more than 100 firearms linked to the kidnapping of an elderly man and the robbery of a gun store in Perth last week.

    Specialist officers including the Tactical Response Group raided properties across the city yesterday, including in Cloverdale, Wilson, Malaga and Midland, and found the cache of weapons in a storage shed in Forrestdale.

    A 23-year-old man is in custody while police believe another alleged offender has fled the country.

    Police are trying to establish whether a broader criminal syndicate was involved.

    The haul of firearms was seized as part of an investigation into the kidnapping of Barry Lathwell, 81, at the gun shop in Beckenham last week

  42. Rex Mango

    One thing 11 September does demonstrate is the nonsense of health and safety. SBS show had this pair of blokes carrying a wheel chair bound woman down like 65 stories of fire escape stair well. How is it possible under current legislation to build a building such that to evacuate it, takes the best part of an hour?

  43. Rex Mango

    This better grip they are advertising on Ch10 looks fantastic, lifetime guarantee, but still to announce a price.

  44. Steve trickler

    She’s lovely.You’d have fun at the bar with her…..on the Piano.



  45. JC

    John Constantine
    #3153533, posted on September 12, 2019 at 12:11 am

    Add the direct three thousand dead, to the ten thousand maimed in the cleanup, add the cancer to the lung damage to the ptsd of families and those living downwind of the fires.

    Yes, we lived up town – about (dunno) 7 miles away from the attack. For a few months after, if the wind blew north, you get this acrid smell of dust and burnt computer wires that made me cough. It really got into your throat.

  46. Rex Mango

    She’s nice, but nothing compared to this pair:



  47. Steve trickler

    When her Mother flinches her shoulders.



  48. Steve trickler

    She is a stunner. The Lady in White.



  49. Mark A

    Are we in the dead time zone yet?
    Hopefully this goes unnoticed but at the same time it must be said.

    ———————————————————
    A gratuitous advice to all who post here under false pretenses, under the guise of different age/gender etc.

    If you are appreciated, found interesting, funny even and liked.
    Please continue to post as before.

    This is the Cat, not a confessional.

  50. Mark A

    Are we in the dead time zone yet?

    We must be, blooming plonky plonk videos abounding.

  51. Black Ball

    Bottle of scotch going down nicely.

  52. johanna

    Knuckle Dragger
    #3152713, posted on September 11, 2019 at 7:15 am

    Over the previous evening and this morning, I have carefully absorbed all aspects of the discussion on evolution, various strains of Darwinism, materialism in all its forms and more recently the nuances of irreducible complexity, all naturally contextualised in the Universe’s genesis.

    The minutiae of each argumentative strand have been examined, and I have come to one logical conclusion – one which, if all the contributors had stopped and looked at the broader picture they would have realised is inescapable.

    Jessica Alba is still smoking hot.

    Yup, except that I am not turned on by Jessica Alba. Substitute Steve McQueen or a few others who I won’t name just now, and I am down.

    Philosophy was cool and useful until about AD 1000. Nowadays, it is just a wankfest, and that goes for cosmology as well. People arguing for the sake of argument, like the old Griks and Italians drinking coffee in cafes in Carlton in the 1970s. Politics, football – the main thing was to argue, to no discernable end.

    As for evolution vs The Rest, the only thing that matters is science. There is plenty of evidence that critters (including people) can significantly change in response to circumstances. The big leap to becoming something different.

    Well, I look at the tadpole turning into a frog, and the caterpillar turning into a butterfly, and I rather think that it is very possible.

    I have an old friend (from high school) who is a philosopher, held in regard in those circles. He was dux of my year, could have done anything, but chose philosophy. He now works as an environmental consultant, mapping plants and species. He’s not totally, rabidly Green, but he’s not exactly a fan of capitalism. When I confront him about how his tablet helps him in his field work, he does have the grace to blush.

    Modern philosophy is fantasy football.

  53. Mark A

    Steve McQueen has been dead for 39 years.

    Jessica Alba is 38 years old worth 320Mil.
    I know whom I’d prefer.

  54. Mark A

    OK I’m splitting hairs, apologies.😢

  55. johanna

    Mark, my chances of getting together with Steve are exactly the same as Knuckles’ of getting together with Jessica. Are you autistic, or something?

    Meanwhile, here is a nice US propaganda movie of bombing the crap out of ISIS.

  56. johanna

    My link to a Breitbart story about US bombing an ISIS island has gone into moderation.

    You can find it at Breitbart with little difficulty.

  57. Beachcomber

    Delcon at 12:31 am

    ……. But maybe the West’s worst enemy was, and is, actually within it: The Left.

    FIFY.
    Sinistra delenda est.

  58. johanna

    Looking back, I found this gem from our resident shifter of goalposts:

    over_beach
    #3153335, posted on September 11, 2019 at 7:30 pm

    You do realise that a ‘species’ doesn’t actually exist? It’s a human construct?

    Yeah nah. Species are as real as man and woman.

    He has obviously never been exposed to the Taxonomy Wars, which are fought with unbridled bitterness and to the death – as in, until someone dies, not a point is even up for debate. But, our Dover has form.

    Anyway, as a fancier of Australian orchids, about ten years ago I learned that the taxonomy of dendrobiums and other orchids I collected had been changed. From being someone who had a bit of knowledge, I was once again turfed out into the field of the ignorami.

    No doubt, in ten years time, entrepreneurial biologists will upset the applecart again.

    Species are not as real as male and female, JC. Once again, you demonstrate what happens when you stray from hosing down the lions and the concrete drive at the front gate.

  59. Mark A

    OK let’s see if Tom is a man or a mouse.

    Sorry Tom but I have to agree with Pete, you threw a tantrum because you could not post your ‘toons in one slab.
    Whooppy-doo what a conundrum.

    You can post 3 links at a time, why not take advantage of that?
    The whole thing can be done in a matter of two minutes given some preparations and then just cut and paste and do the links.

  60. 2dogs

    The actor who plays him

    Ha!

    We need to use this for all Leftie hypocrites.

  61. Tom

    David Rowe (the bloke in the helmet is meant to be Sam Dastyari).

  62. Tom

    British cartoonists like Dave Brown (London Independent) are getting hysterical.

  63. Mark A

    An excellent replacement for Notepad, can do a lot more and it’s free.

  64. Mark A

    Miss you Arma.
    Been frightened away this easily, you wimp.
    Bookie? My foot.
    Bookies have guts to take on the crowd at Flemington and the wit to talk the pope into allowing priests to marry.

    Arky has more guts and go than you do.
    He is even restoring a Ford.
    Replacing the hubcaps you pinched.

  65. BrettW

    Wow, Harry’s new PR team are brilliant. He closes his own doors now !

    “Prince Harry, 35, delighted fans when he broke from royal tradition last night and ‘twinned’ with wife Meghan Markle, 38, by closing his own car door while attending the 5th Anniversary of the Invictus Games in London (left). The Duchess of Sussex was praised as ‘humble’ and ‘down to earth’ when she made the gesture last September (right). Some commentators have suggested it’s a sign the couple have the ‘same energy'”.

    My only conclusion is some commentators need to get a life.

  66. Mark A

    BrettW
    #3153584, posted on September 12, 2019 at 5:40 am

    My only conclusion is some commentators need to get a life.

    As do Harry and the ….

  67. BrettW

    I don’t have to click on it to know what Jupes has seen in the Daily Mail !

  68. 1735099

    Add the direct three thousand dead, to the ten thousand maimed in the cleanup, add the cancer to the lung damage to the ptsd of families and those living downwind of the fires.

    And add those killed in Operation Iraqi Freedom (105,052–114,731 civilian deaths and 4,424 US military) as well as 1.8 million Iraqis forced from their homes remaining inside the country. and 360,000 seeking refuge in other countries

    And add the rise of ISIS, and the international results of that, together with the 19000 estimated casualties in the resultant conflict with ISIS, and it’s possible to develop an understanding of how consequential the 9/11 attacks were.

    Those attacks on September 11 2001 represent textbook asymmetrical warfare – using the power of a military against itself.

    Kilcullen is worth reading. He described the invasion of Iraq as “fucking stupid”, and history has proved him right.

  69. Oh come on

    Before PJW begins his sermon, he concedes that he’s “bathed in the waters of the profane on many occasions”

    That doesn’t mean he used to urinate on foreign war memorials.

    It doesn’t, but who knows? Maybe he did (or does – he didn’t say he’s ceased his “bathing”); maybe he’s done worse things. He doesn’t say.

    Look, here is shorter PJW in this case: I’ve got up to all kinds of naughtiness when out on the lash *wink wink* but look at these people getting up to all kinds of naughtiness when out on the lash! Isn’t it terrible??

    If there’s one thing that makes PJW such an effective commentator, it’s his ability to devastatingly illustrate the hypocrisy of his targets. I just think that, in this instance, it’s PJW who’s being the hypocrite.

  70. pete m

    Thanks Tom.
    Mark a all good ppl can still be polite and arka was rude just wanted tom not to give up so easily

  71. jupes

    And add those killed in Operation Iraqi Freedom (105,052–114,731 civilian deaths and 4,424 US military) as well as 1.8 million Iraqis forced from their homes remaining inside the country. and 360,000 seeking refuge in other countries

    And add the rise of ISIS, and the international results of that, together with the 19000 estimated casualties in the resultant conflict with ISIS, and it’s possible to develop an understanding of how consequential the 9/11 attacks were.

    Why don’t you list the j*hadis who were killed you fuckstick? Or are they the “civilians” you mentioned?

  72. Oh come on

    Modern philosophy is fantasy football.

    Gosh, really? m0nty will be after you for a reference.

  73. notafan

    Hmm Dover beach (and everyone else involved) wrong on species not being a ‘human construct’ because goalposts orchids blah blah.

    What is going to be discovered in ten years?

    That a human can, in fact, naturally, mate with a donkey and produce offspring?

    Well good luck with that.

    ‘Species’ is a word that describes, something that would be obvious to an observant five year old, over which humanity has no control.

    Talk about true to form.

    If it isn’t as ‘real’ as man and woman, what is it as real as?

    Changing classifications within a plant genus or something doesn’t change anything at all about who and what can or cannot reproduce fertile offspring naturally.

  74. Mark A

    pete m
    #3153593, posted on September 12, 2019 at 6:19 am

    Don’t want to start a war over an old event, but it was Tom who got stroppy and accused Arma for hogging the blog.
    As if the time slot belonged to him solely.
    Sheesh, he comes and posts at times so diverse that my stats show a flat line.

    Give an take is my motto.

  75. notafan

    Forgot to include prequel deaths caused by the crusaders that made the m uslim so mad he has been trying to backsies invade the west since forever.

    Oh wait.

    He’s been trying, and been too often successful, at subjugating, enslaving and genociding since the get go.

    But it’s all our fault for not just laying down and taking it.

  76. Mark A

    notafan
    #3153600, posted on September 12, 2019 at 6:33 am

    But it’s all our fault for not just laying down and taking it.

    So, what’s the difference today?

    This argument makes me mad every time I hear it, reacting or retaliation is bad, bad.
    Just take it you infidel!

  77. Cassie of Sydney

    “Why don’t you list the j*hadis who were killed you fuckstick? Or are they the “civilians” you mentioned?”

    Jupes…fuckstick is always selective…..fuckstick gets upset when swastikas are daubed on the walls of a mosque (a random act if ever there was one considering there is probably a prized copy of Mein Kampf to be found in that mosque)…and then fuckstick tries to use that incident to imply that we here at Catallaxy are all “nazis”….yet when swastikas are routinely and frequently daubed on the walls of a synagogue, Jooooish communal organisation or on a Liberal Joooish MP’s electoral office……you don’t hear a peep from fuckstick.

  78. Knuckle Dragger

    Pat Cross #1 for me today.

    Touched on a brief discussion had last night, too. As someone said, going into that building when there were already bodies splatting on the footpath next to you from 80 stories up takes a special kind of nuts.

    Well done those men.

  79. notafan

    Today Mark A we have a human subspecies called the progressive who see white skin, even their own, and hate hate hate blame blame blame

    Refusing to accept truth is their speciality.

    The invincibly infertile can ‘marry’, a man can be a woman if he want too, killing the unborn is not murder, is lam is a religion of peace, morality is subjective, whiteness is intrinsically evil and so on.

  80. Mark A

    notafan
    #3153607, posted on September 12, 2019 at 6:56 am

    As I mentioned before I’m studying European history and I’m surprised how few people converted to Is lam during the 350 years of Turkish occupation of Hungary and neighboring Christian countries.
    It takes real faith.

    Bosnia and Albania turned, must say though Albania only in pretense, they drink and obey only the rules they like even up to this day.

  81. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘And add those killed in Operation Iraqi Freedom (105,052–114,731 civilian deaths and 4,424 US military) as well as 1.8 million Iraqis forced from their homes remaining inside the country. and 360,000 seeking refuge in other countries’

    And for the avoidance of doubt, yes I would (and have) slept soundly with those figures, if it meant that another 9/11 event doesn’t happen.

    In fact, I have no problem at all with the US hammer-fisting entire pissweak terror-sponsoring countries full of complicit tent-dwellers into a different-coloured dust, if only to serve as a gigantic fuck-off warning to the other medieval fiefdoms that they’ll only take being pinched on the back of the leg for so long.

  82. Top Ender

    Thanks for the ‘toons, Tom!

  83. Mak Siccar

    Greg Sheridan makes no bones about the worldwide significance of Brexit. An excerpt follows:

    Brexit is first about national sovereignty, but it is also about a profound clash of philosophies of society. It embodies a deep, instinctual, irreconcilable opposition about how societies should run, what is the source of democratic legitimacy and what are the ends of civic purpose. The clash is between two conflicting world views. One is a postmodern, undemocratic, technocrat state in the service of what a German author calls the Therapeutic Caliphate, or what we might less exaltedly call the left-liberal crack-up, a la the EU, which has as its purpose the eradication of national identity and the transformation of human nature. The other is a civic vision that recognises the universal quality of humanity but puts the nation-state at the heart of democratic and civic loyalty, and which honours traditional sources of wisdom and authority, and traditional forms of democracy.

    https://www.theaustralian.com.au/commentary/brexiteers-fighting-for-liberty-and-the-peoples-will/news-story/885f0480d5f8076bd91b0361a0acc3bf

  84. Snoopy

    Sorry, what you were told in school biology class is not the beginning and end of it.

  85. notafan

    Most conversion to isl am is point of sword, or to avoid onerous taxation (including the taking of children as tribute).

    One of the rulers in Egypt forbade conversion because it was devastating his tax base.

  86. Knuckle Dragger

    Today is indeed a special day.

    It is, by my calculations, my last as a hot dog guy.

    #100mill
    #fuckyouhotdogs

  87. Knuckle Dragger

    Actually, no.

    Someone the other day mentioned George Constanza doing his best to get sacked from the Yankees, but they kept him on and on and on.

    Yeah. That’s how I’m going out.

  88. notafan

    Snoopy that just means that those early humans were not entirely separate species, because the definition is ‘ability to reproduce and create fertile offspring’.

    Ditto for the monkeys.

    Noah had an ark, he understood.

  89. Mark A

    Knuckle Dragger
    #3153617, posted on September 12, 2019 at 7:17 am

    Today is indeed a special day.
    It is, by my calculations, my last as a hot dog guy.
    #100mill
    #fuckyouhotdogs

    Is this due to the visit of your boss of a few days ago?

  90. Cassie of Sydney

    “notafan
    #3153616, posted on September 12, 2019 at 7:17 am
    Most conversion to isl am is point of sword, or to avoid onerous taxation (including the taking of children as tribute).

    One of the rulers in Egypt forbade conversion because it was devastating his tax base.”

    Yep…and you only have to ask any Christian, Joooo,Yazidi and Hindu whose families came from the middle east and the sub-continent…they’ll give you an honest take down of the religion of pieces….and it won’t be pretty.

  91. Mark A

    And do you want to get out?

  92. John Constantine

    https://blog.gorillajobs.com.au/what-australias-opioids-crisis-means-for-pharmacists

    2017, the Federal Government committed $16 million for the rollout of real-time monitoring on prescription drugs, known as SafeScript.

    It provides an instant alert to pharmacists and doctors alike if patients have already received multiple supplies of any dangerous prescription-only medicines. Each time a monitored drug is prescribed or dispensed, it will be recorded in the central database of prescription records. The system helps GPs and pharmacists to make safer decisions when it comes to prescribing and dispensing high-risk medicines, and helps to identify patients who are developing signs of dependence.

    According to news, from April 2020, every medical practitioner and pharmacist in Victoria will need to access SafeScript before they dispense or prescribe any monitored medicines. There are a couple of requirements for pharmacists in operating the system as well. Currently, Victoria, Tasmania and the ACT have this monitoring program in place. It is possible that there would soon be a national roll-out for the program. It is important to first understand the outcomes of the SafeScript program.

    Control and rationing of opiods, control and rationing of panadol, control and rationing of nicotine [ smokes and vapes], they are coming for alcohol used as self medication for pain.

    Leaving half an asprin and a cup of herbal tea as the only legal and easy pain relief will not win the war on drugs when the Tyrant can supply the mexican cartels and hezbollah with enough fentanyl to overdose all australia cheap as chips.

    The demand for pain relief will not vanish and it almost seems as if our political and agitator class are being bribed to create the biggest and most lucrative black market since alcohol prohibition.

    Comrade Maaaaaaates.

  93. John Constantine

    Knuckles is gonna have to go powerballhalvies with me, ’cause i’m feeling lucky.

  94. John Constantine

    The retrace of the woolprice drop was eye-watering at yesterdays Australian wool auctions.

    Ten percent overnight price gains for a commodity across the full range is interesting, and a sucker punch for those motivated sellers that let their years income go at rock bottom rates last week.

    Will the rally gain steam, or will the Tyrant close his grip on the auction throat again?.

  95. Knuckle Dragger

    Mark A,

    No, and no. If anything, and again with the Constanza references, I have ‘hand’ in the relationship.

    Said pompous little metrosexual pretty boy wandered by yesterday afternoon. Looked at the definition of ‘loose cannon’ I’d got off the webs, printed, laminated and stuck to the outside of my door.

    Came in. Said ‘I hope we’re ok with the other day.’

    I said words to the effect of, ‘You mean your multiple falsified complaints that I documented as soon as you left my office? That are defined as a serious breach of company discipline? The ones that can have your contract cancelled and you demoted? The ones I can report any time I like?’

    He walked out. Odds on he ‘has meetings’ all day today. In any event, I’m turning the radio up.

  96. Snoopy

    Ten percent overnight price gains for a commodity across the full range is interesting,

    Thanks due to Andrew Bolt?

  97. 1735099

    Planning assumptions for a no-deal Brexit.
    The fact that para 15 has been redacted is interesting…..

  98. calli

    Changing classifications within a plant genus or something doesn’t change anything at all about who and what can or cannot reproduce fertile offspring naturally.

    You can get interspecific hybrids. Plenty of examples. (I have a couple of Dendrobium x Cymbidium crosses – both grown from seed, so both producing quite different flowers.)

    And some intergeneric ones eg. x cupressocyparis leylandii (the bane of light lovers).

    These are crosses within the same family though. It would be very suprising to see a cross between a Corymbia and a Lilium.

  99. 1735099

    And for the avoidance of doubt, yes I would (and have) slept soundly with those figures, if it meant that another 9/11 event doesn’t happen.

    Rather than sleeping soundly, you could, if still of military age, have enlisted in the ADF to join the jolly japes in Iraq in 2003.
    Too busy posing in the back bar of the Australian?

  100. Rossini

    Thanks Tom, appreciate your effort.
    Sadly missed you yesterday!

  101. calli

    One of the instant ways to get a result is to find a “sport” (eg. Roses) or, in conifers, a “witches broom”. A type of mutation that appears on the parent plant. The characteristics are known instantly and can be cloned or struck and produce true to type.

    Garlic woman wanted to take that short cut by importing forbidden plant material.

  102. Farmer Gez

    Ha ha ha Mc Ha.

    A Scottish court finds BoJo in breach of the law for suspending parliament.

    He also copped a fine for hunting haggis out of season.

  103. Mark A

    In any event, I’m turning the radio up.

    Understood, going to be an interesting broadcast.

  104. Mother Lode

    The NY Times has updated that awful 9/11 article we told you about earlier and deleted the tweet that said, “18 years have passed since airplanes took aim and brought down the World Trade Center.”

    There are two techniques that particularly annoy me that j’ismists use to avoid stating unappetising truths.

    One is use of the passive voice to avoid stating who is behind something: “A new report just released states that we must close all industry or burn in a CO2 inferno”.

    And synecdoche: “The planes took aim at the towers.”

    J’ismists really are the used-car salesmen of events.

  105. rickw

    One night, a nursing co-worker was transporting a baby who had been aborted because he had Down syndrome to our Soiled Utility Room to die – because that’s where survivors were taken.

    I could not bear the thought of this suffering child dying alone, so I rocked him for the 45 minutes that he lived. He was 21 to 22 weeks old, weighed about 1/2 pound, and was about the size of my hand. He was too weak to move very much, expending all his energy attempting to breathe. Toward the end he was so quiet I couldn’t tell if he was still alive unless I held him up to the light to see if his heart was still beating through his chest wall.

    After he was pronounced dead, I folded his little arms across his chest, wrapped him in a tiny shroud, and carried him to the hospital morgue where we took all our dead patients.

    What a large chunk of “civilisation” believes is a “right”.

  106. calli

    And now for a day in the garden. Blue skies from horizon to horizon and weeds from fence to fence.

    The woman is motivated and armed to the teeth with weed destroyers. I may be away for some time. 🙂

  107. notafan

    Calli

    Yes well orchids

    But not that generally speaking the observation that a species is an describing word for a group that can naturally create fertile offspring is wrong because Dover because goalposts

  108. Mark A

    Calli
    Hope not the way of Captain Lawrence Edward.

  109. areff

    As if the time slot belonged to him solely.

    The wee hours do belong to Tom. He does everyone a service by posting the toons, which appear as a block for the benefit of later risers and are much appreciated.

    Armadillo should apologise for indulging his vandal’s ego at the expense of others’ convenience. Very bad manners indeed.

  110. Gilas

    DrBeauGan
    #3153468, posted on September 11, 2019 at 9:32 pm

    I’m in Singapore after a fifteen hour flight from Newark. So I escaped from Cuba and still have my kidneys and other bits.

    Welcome back! Your travelogue was engrossing, to say the least.

    I hope some of the secrets unrevealed will make it to the book..

  111. Candy

    Calling the babies being killed medical “patients” is psychopathic.

  112. Mark A

    areff
    #3153646, posted on September 12, 2019 at 8:06 am

    The wee hours do belong to Tom

    Come again!!
    Shyte I’m on the wrong blog, I thought it was a libertarian blog, it says so up top.

    Matter of opinion, I disagree, I was there.
    Tom was overbearing and disrespectful, and when he was denied his divine rights he left in a huff and puff sulking.

    Doing a service, please, don’t be childish.
    Anyone can look up cartoons in a jiff if they want to and to top it off they can pick and choose.

  113. Knuckle Dragger

    The Australian Hotel? Nah. Nobody drank there, Old Yeller.

    If you had any mongrel in you, you would have been head down bum up at Langs or Tatts, or Opus One.

    But you never did, and have even less now. Big fan of the Great Leap Forward, as we all know.

    Tell us again how brave you were at the movies.

  114. mh

    Cool around SE Qld last night.

    Canungra, Numbers old stomping ground, fell to 1.9 degrees Celsius.
    Greenbank, which is just beyond Brisbane’s outer suburbia, 2.9 degrees C.
    Warwick 2.2 C

  115. Gilas

    Delcon
    #3153540, posted on September 12, 2019 at 12:31 am

    … the damage caused as the attacks roused the western left to rise from their despair over the fall of the Berlin Wall.

    …But maybe the West’s worst enemy was, and is, actually within it: The Left.

    Unfortunately, there’s no “maybe”.
    This cancer is has metastasised and is thriving, amply fed by vitamins MSM and OPM.

  116. C.L.

    Bans enacted … Anti-smoking fanatic Trump moves against vaping.

  117. Mother Lode

    “Prince Harry, 35, delighted fans when he broke from royal tradition last night and ‘twinned’ with wife Meghan Markle, 38, by closing his own car door…”

    Harry seems to be doing his utmost to erase the very Royalty that makes him newsworthy.

    All the rituals, the robes, the unhurried liveried servants, the drafty castles, and the serene timeless distance above the ephemeral secular fray – something all Brits share in and something that, no matter how prodigal they become, will be there to which they can find their way home.

    Harry seems to really think he has a divine right, and no matter what he will have the cachet of a Prince in the Royal family.

    Take away all the pomp and ceremony, immerse yourself in the chaotic Main Street hurly-burly dressed in the latest fashions and you just become normal folks.

    Harry seems a bit dim. His wife has his measure.

    I suspect that the whole thing started with the pair of them getting drunk, having an awkward, fumbling, drunken roll in the hay, and her telling him a few weeks later that she missed her period and her Dad is getting the shotgun down from over the fireplace.

    And after the wedding she declared that it was a false alarm – and he feels relieved.

    They will limp on in the public eye for a bit, but after he becomes rotund and sagging with his ranga mop shed, and her looks fade so her cold angry features emerge unmistakable, and after one kid dies of a drug overdose in an alleyway, and the other has the living crap kicked out of him at school for putting on comically misplaced airs, then the cameras will move on to another, more glitzy dysfunctional family, and the British Monarchy that has spanned centuries will draw to a close with hardly a squeak.

  118. Mater

    Rather than sleeping soundly, you could, if still of military age, have enlisted in the ADF to join the jolly japes in Iraq in 2003.

    Spoken like a true volunteer.

  119. mh

    Josef Mengele is still with us.

  120. Top Ender

    Seems only a little while ago driverless cars were going to be everywhere.

    Also electric cars.

    Mercedes rules out driverless cars soon
    FRANKFURT
    PHILIP KING

    The car industry has hugely underestimated the problems of developing autonomous cars and driverless highway systems are still years away, the new head of Mercedes R&D has admitted.

    Replicating drivers using artificial intelligence remained “a huge undertaking” while the sensors needed to “see” were costly and not up to the task.

    “The challenges are way bigger than anybody thought,” Markus Schaefer told The Australian at the Frankfurt Motor Show, which opened late Tuesday, Australian time. “We underestimated, absolutely.”

    Governments and research bodies in Australia have committed millions of dollars to driverless systems, with NSW recently announcing it would set up a centre of excellence to help commercialise the technology, while Victoria is spending $2.3m on trials with Bosch as part of a $9m program.

    Perth already has driverless buses running along a prescribed route and, using French-made “Intellicar” vehicles, was due to begin testing an autonomous ride-hailing system this year.

    Mercedes is also working with Bosch and they will soon begin pilot tests of a fully automated ride-hailing service in San Jose, California.

    But the cars will retain safety drivers and Mr Schaefer said fully autonomous systems that could handle urban roads were a distant prospect. “Free-floating routes in all kinds of areas in a city — that’s not very near in the future,” he said.

    The eventual cost of such systems would rule them out for private cars because both the car and technology industries had “completely underestimated” how hard it would be to replicate human drivers in cities.

    “Now we understand what a human being is capable of doing — it’s a huge undertaking.”

  121. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    GetUp uses child to labour the point on climate strike
    12-year-old Lucie in the GetUp campaign.

    exclusive
    Geoff Chambers
    @rosieslewis
    12:00AM September 12, 2019
    201 Comments

    GetUp is using a 12-year-old girl to raise money for a ­national ­advertising campaign supporting the Global Climate Strike, which is urging students and workers to take the day off and “demand an end to the age of fossil fuels”.

    The left-wing activist group, which was accused on Wednesday of exploitation for using a schoolgirl to tout for donations, sent an email “from Lucie” to members attacking the government and asking for “$12 donations”. The letter, which GetUp claimed was delivered on behalf of Lucie ahead of the Global #ClimateStrike next Friday, calls on supporters to fund a “big TV ad” to help grow the number of protesters across the nation to more than 300,000.

    “GetUp are helping me make a big TV ad and we also want to put up lots of other ads to help get adults out on the streets with us. Show your support for climate strikers by chipping in $12 to help make this the biggest one ever,” the letter says.

    “I don’t want to live in a world where the Great Barrier Reef is just a memory. No more Nemo and Dory. And I really don’t want to spend my whole life cleaning up the mistakes of leaders like Scott Morrison and Matt Canavan.”

    The schools strike movement that has been organised behind the figurehead of Swedish teenager Greta Thunberg who will speak at the UN Climate Action Summit later this month after sailing to New York from England to raise awareness about dangerous climate change.

    The letter from Lucie also references how activist group Campact raised funds for German student strikers and that “we need flyers, posters and a national ad campaign” to raise awareness.

    The SchoolStrike4climate website, which lists unions including the Australian Education Union, CFMEU, ETU, United Voice and Australian Services Union as supporters, calls on backers to take “the day off school, uni or work to show our politicians that we’re serious about climate action”.

    “We are in the thick of the climate crisis. Yet we just elected a government that wants to open the floodgates to new coal, oil and gas projects that put all of us at risk. We are already hurting from the impacts of climate change,” the website says.

    GetUp would not confirm whether Lucie received support penning the email or if the promotional photo of the girl on its website was taken in GetUp’s offices. It also refused to confirm how much money had been raised.

    A GetUp spokesman told The Australian it “proudly supports the student-led climate strikes”.

    “If Australian schoolkids feel like they are not being well represented by political leaders in this country, it is their right to get out and protest because their future is on the line,” he said.

    On its website, GetUp said “if we raise enough, we’ll also run a major online ad campaign, with ads and videos tailored to a diverse range of audiences”.

    From the Oz. Children should be seen and not heard…

  122. Shy Ted

    Poor dog, prolly won’t be able to get the taste of veggies out of it’ mouth for weeks. Very hard to find in several searches but no pic but the right credentials.

  123. 1735099

    If you had any mongrel in you, you would have been head down bum up at Langs or Tatts, or Opus One.

    I’m very proud of the fact that I “have no mongrel”.
    Promoting your own psychopathology is how you roll – not me.
    Get help…..

  124. Tel

    Unfortunately, there’s no “maybe”.
    This cancer is has metastasised and is thriving, amply fed by vitamins MSM and OPM.

    Sadly, the American military has become the largest example of a centrally planned wealth transfer operation … with the US health insurance and pharmaceutical industries a close second.

    They have been in Afghanistan best part of 20 years, not only never winning but as far as anyone can tell never actually achieving anything at all. They could be there 100 years, the Taliban would still be running the country while the US troops consume US tax money, do patrols up and down, write reports that no one reads, and a small number of officers get promotions and go back to important big desks in Washington. Every year the Opium crop gets a bit larger so there’s money flowing in.

    None of this is “keeping America safe” nor does anyone show any signs of caring about that. The US borders are more open than any time in modern history, and sooner or later a Democrat government will come along and open them the rest of the way. The same people who get beaten up by US foreign policy in one country are next years immigrants on a fast track to US citizenship. The US police are being steadily converted over to para-military units, while private individuals are disarmed, and anyone who grumbles about it gets hunted down and made to shut up. Science has been taken over by government spending and serves a mostly political purpose … the new white coated priesthood to replace those pesky Christians. Big-tech has been taken over by the SJW’s and does the job of surveillance and thought control … ensuring no one questions the priesthood. Ask a typical American about what their country is all about and they give you some lame comment about “Freedom!” but they don’t even know their own history … let alone anything else about the world … then go back to the government for more food stamps and government health insurance.

  125. feelthebern

    Jimmy Dore must read the Cat.
    Gives it to Meghan McCain.

  126. feelthebern

    Considering the US Supreme court decision this morning, there’s going to be a huge need of pro bono advocates over there.

  127. Percy Popinjay

    I didn’t post a comment about this outrage in the past few days because I didn’t have a chance and no one seems to be commenting on areff’s thread any more, but …

    Is anyone aware of what that disgusting dog collared slag Moore and braindead Beryl Gladyschlocklian allowed to happen in Sydneystan just two days ago?

    Entire city blocks closed to traffic in the morning for several hours while thousands of black clad m00zley shitbags bellowed and ululated their way down Elizabeth St in scenes reminiscent of the most vile ISIS victory parades.

    Whoever approved that disgusting display should be hung drawn and quartered.

    Needless to say, we’ll now be stuck with the disgusting infuriating obscenity every fucking year on September 10 and it will grow in size and militancy accordingly.

    We truly are too stupid to survive. How inexcusably fucking craven.

  128. stackja

    Zali Steggall in Canberra emitting hot air. Tony Abbott in Drake fighting fires.

  129. cohenite

    I see the vile troll is justifying 9/11. One wishes bad luck on it.

  130. Snoopy

    R U OK co-founder Graeme Cowan has been overwhelmed with support and messages of solidarity after sharing a suicide note he wrote in the depths of his depression 15 years ago.

    Never throw anything out. You never know when it will come in handy.

  131. Bruce of Newcastle

    Considering the US Supreme court decision this morning, there’s going to be a huge need of pro bono advocates over there.

    Thwack!

    Supreme Court allows Trump asylum restrictions to take effect, ending 9th Circuit injunctions

    In a major win for the Trump administration, the Supreme Court issued an order late Wednesday ending all injunctions that had blocked the White House’s ban on asylum for anyone trying to cross the U.S.-Mexico border by transiting through a third country.

    Justices Sonia Sotomayor and Ruth Bader Ginsburg dissented.

    So clear Trump was in the right that even the Lefty bloc in SCOTUS split 2:2 for the first time in a very long time on a such an issue.

    Now in the same vein ScoMo has to require all country shoppers arriving by boat to have applied for asylum in a previous country they transited, ergo Indonesia. Where they clearly can live quite safely, since many of them had done so for many years.

  132. Roger

    Entire city blocks closed to traffic in the morning for several hours while thousands of black clad m00zley shitbags bellowed and ululated their way down Elizabeth St in scenes reminiscent of the most vile ISIS victory parades.

    What the…?

  133. cohenite

    Justices Sonia Sotomayor and Ruth Bader Ginsburg dissented.

    May their demise be soon.

  134. Cardimona

    Cats, this is too funny! My letters to a tiny and inconsequential weekly newspaper north of Cairns, the Port Douglas and Mossman Gazette, have earned a response from the mighty Pwofesser Ove Hoegh-Guldberg!

    He writes…

    IN DEFENCE OF SCIENCE
    The 2017 Scientific Consensus Statement on ‘Land use impacts on Great Barrier Reef water quality and ecosystem condition’ is a comprehensive statement of the science underpinning what we need to do to protect the Great Barrier Reef.
    Forty-eight world-renowned experts in the Great Barrier Reef, coastal science, and water quality science and management all agreed – based on rigorous and careful assessment of hundreds of peer-reviewed scientific papers and reports – that we need to act urgently on water quality if we are to preserve the Reef for future generations.
    This is not based on conjecture or a hunch. Rather, it is based on science – the same science that got us to the moon, allows us to build safe bridges, and which saves hundreds of lives everyday through modern medicine.
    So when the science says we need to take urgent action to save the Reef, we need to listen. And we need to act.
    OVE HOEGH-GULDBERG FAA, Professor and Director, Global Change Institute, University of Queensland.

    And here’s my response, sent today…

    The Editor
    The Port Douglas and Mossman Gazette

    A few weeks back we had lay alarmist Sean McGinn using the “absurd absolute” logical fallacy to try to disprove some pretty basic physics. This week (PD&MG, 12/9) we had pro alarmist Ove Hoegh-Guldberg using the “appeal to authority” logical fallacy to try to disprove basic oceanic current flows.

    The “appeal to authority” argues that if someone is an “expert” they must be right – but “experts” have been wrong many times as proven by people from Galileo (heliocentrism) to Wegener (plate tectonics) to Einstein (relativity) to Marshall (stomach ulcers from h. pylori infection, not stress.)

    Ove claims his “science” is so solid that he can prove, with the same level of engineering precision as used in space flight and bridge construction, that run-off from human activities on land can negatively affect the Reef. But I’m betting Ove’s claim is wrong.

    So come on, Ove; write back to the Port Douglas & Mossman Gazette and link us all to just one paper that proves any chemical from farm run-off to be on the GBR in concentrations adequate to harm life there. Go on, I dares ya! No, I double-dares ya!

    You can see why Ove will fail to meet this challenge when you use https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/ocean/surface/currents/orthographic to view the currents that flow through the GBR – more clean ocean water in a day than comes out of all Queensland’s rivers in a year.

    And yes, Ove is one of our government’s “preferred” Reef scientists – which tells you a lot about the scientific ignorance of our political class.

    (254 words)

  135. cohenite

    Percy Popinjay

    #3153669, posted on September 12, 2019 at 8:59 am

    I didn’t post a comment about this outrage in the past few days because I didn’t have a chance and no one seems to be commenting on areff’s thread any more, but …

    Is anyone aware of what that disgusting dog collared slag Moore and braindead Beryl Gladyschlocklian allowed to happen in Sydneystan just two days ago?

    Entire city blocks closed to traffic in the morning for several hours while thousands of black clad m00zley shitbags bellowed and ululated their way down Elizabeth St in scenes reminiscent of the most vile ISIS victory parades.

    Whoever approved that disgusting display should be hung drawn and quartered.

    Do you have a link?

  136. Tel

    Entire city blocks closed to traffic in the morning for several hours while thousands of black clad m00zley shitbags bellowed and ululated their way down Elizabeth St in scenes reminiscent of the most vile ISIS victory parades.

    LOL … where you gunna run away to? Melbourne?!? Adelaide?!? Tasmania?!?

    Be my guest and vote for the Aldi bag full of unmarked bills party.

  137. John Constantine

    The point of the legislation to control water that runs off farms to interact with the reef is to establish powers for the State that can be extended to control all farmland that water runs off from.

    Nitrogen application that runs off into lakes that form blue green algae blooms will be the next excuse for Control.

  138. Percy Popinjay

    Do you have a link?

    No, but believe me, it happened. I’ll be contacting Latham about it and requesting he demand some answers from the parliament.

  139. mh

    Monica Lewinsky gets the last laugh….

    She’s milking it to the very last drop.

  140. Percy Popinjay

    LOL … where you gunna run away to? Melbourne?!? Adelaide?!? Tasmania?!?

    What exactly is lolworthy about it, tel? You happy about such an obscenity being allowed to take place?

  141. 1735099

    I see the vile troll is justifying 9/11. One wishes bad luck on it.

    Suggest you read my post again and then tell me where I “justified” 9/11.
    Pointing out consequences is very different from justification.
    Reading comprehension fail……

  142. mh

    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    ·
    1m
    At the request of the Vice Premier of China, Liu He, and due to the fact that the People’s Republic of China will be celebrating their 70th Anniversary……..on October 1st, we have agreed, as a gesture of good will, to move the increased Tariffs on 250 Billion Dollars worth of goods (25% to 30%), from October 1st to October 15th.

  143. Bruce of Newcastle

    believe me, it happened

    Sydney Ashura Procession 2019 (video on YouTube)

  144. BrettW

    Good luck to any Hong Kong or Chinese born person entering politics in Oz and trying to not have links with organisations linked to Chinese Government and hence communists. Also good luck to all Australian politicians attending Chinese events and not being in the presence of people who are favourable towards mother China. The good thing about this though is the constant reminders about Shanghai Sam.

    I noted in today’s Oz they said Gladys Liu was born in HK and was a Chinese citizen who came here three decades ago. She most definitely was not a Chinese citizen if she was born in HK then.

  145. Bruce of Newcastle

    Oops, that link didn’t work. Here it is again. The march was on 10 Sept.

  146. Snoopy

    Coasts, oceans, ecosystems, weather and human health all face impacts from climate change, and now valuable soils may also be affected.

    Climate change may reduce the ability of soils to absorb water in many parts of the world, according to a Rutgers-led study.
    >
    >
    During a 25-year experiment in Kansas that involved irrigation of prairie soil with sprinklers, a Rutgers-led team of scientists found that a 35 percent increase in rainfall led to a 21 percent to 33 percent reduction in water infiltration rates in soil and only a small increase in water retention.

    It took a team of scientists 25 years to discover that wet soil doesn’t absorb much water.

  147. Old School Conservative

    Entire city blocks closed to traffic in the morning for several hours while thousands of black clad m00zley shitbags bellowed and ululated their way down Elizabeth St in scenes reminiscent of the most vile ISIS victory parades.

    Percy, you’ll enjoy the latest from Steyn on “The Language of losing” in which he says Meanwhile, there’s a cold war – the remorseless incremental Islamization of the heart of Christendom.

    Your experience is a very good example of Steyn’s thesis.

  148. Cardimona

    Thanks, Roger.
    Every moment that a professional alarmist spends responding to a volunteer relaxivist such as myself is a moment they’re not damaging the reputation of science or destroying our economy.

  149. Roger

    Every moment that a professional alarmist spends responding to a volunteer relaxivist such as myself is a moment they’re not damaging the reputation of science or destroying our economy.

    Keep us informed of your endeavours, C.

  150. Old School Conservative

    The march was on 10 Sept

    Surely they picked an eve of the attacks on the World Trade Centre entirely by coincidence?

  151. Snoopy

    Bruce of Newcastle
    #3153692, posted on September 12, 2019 at 9:24 am
    Oops, that link didn’t work. Here it is again. The march was on 10 Sept.

    For those who have forgotten, that’s what victory looks like.

  152. Old School Conservative

    Entire city blocks closed to traffic in the morning for several hours while thousands of black clad m00zley shitbags bellowed and ululated their way down Elizabeth St in scenes reminiscent of the most vile ISIS victory parades.

    Percy, you’ll enjoy the latest from Steyn on “The Language of losing” in which he says Meanwhile, there’s a cold war – the remorseless incremental Iz-Lambisation of the heart of Christendom.

    Your experience is a very good example of Steyn’s thesis.

  153. Bruce of Newcastle

    climate change … valuable soils may also be affected … a 25-year experiment in Kansas

    Maybe they should watch Wizard of Oz again.
    Filmed 80 years ago.

  154. mh

    Actress and gun control activist Alyssa Milano revealed she has two guns in her home for self-defense during a debate Tuesday evening with Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX).

    https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2019/09/11/alyssa-milano-i-have-two-guns-in-my-household-for-self-defense/

    Her two aborted children had no self defence.

  155. lotocoti

    Surely they picked an eve of the attacks on the World Trade Centre entirely by coincidence?

    The Apple Slam marketing guys wouldn’t be deliberately insensitive.

  156. Roger

    Meanwhile, there’s a cold war – the remorseless incremental Iz-Lambisation of the heart of Christendom.

    “…the first thing that I found yesterday, entering the chancery, was a bunch of beautiful flowers. Who sent them? The grand imam. To be brothers. ”

    Pope Francis flying home from Madagascar on Tuesday.

  157. Cardimona

    Actually, I worded my last comment poorly.
    I should have written…

    Every moment that a professional alarmist spends responding to a volunteer relaxivist such as myself is a moment they’re just damaging the reputation of science and not destroying our economy.

  158. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘I’m very proud of the fact that I “have no mongrel”‘

    Countries exist because the people in them have that quality, Old Yeller. Some people in them, anyway.

    If you had the courage (that word again) of your hopey-changey compassion convictions you’d relocate to a place where everything was sunshine and puppies and rivers of chocolate.

    But nowhere’s like that, so I guess you’re stuck with your taxpayer-funded super while better men than you do the hard yards.

    Again.

    Woof.

  159. Old School Conservative

    Dapper Happer
    #3153703, posted on September 12, 2019 at 9:34 am
    It looks like a fairly harmless peace rally

    Of course that’s what it looks like.

  160. cohenite

    No, but believe me, it happened. I’ll be contacting Latham about it and requesting he demand some answers from the parliament.

    Let us know how you go.

    Thanks for the link Bruce. This march by the RoP is an annual event. As is this.

    Just another one of the many get fucked from the RoP community to the rest of Australia

  161. Diogenes

    I noted in today’s Oz they said Gladys Liu was born in HK and was a Chinese citizen who came here three decades ago. She most definitely was not a Chinese citizen if she was born in HK then.

    Brett she is so too according to Chinese Law, from Wiki

    An alternate form of jus soli applies to any persons of Chinese descent resident in Hong Kong or Macau, who were born in Hong Kong, Macau, Taiwan or mainland China. The Explanations of Some Questions by the Standing Committee of the National People’s Congress Concerning the Implementation of the Nationality Law of the People’s Republic of China in the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region, a supplement nationality law document applicable only to Hong Kong residents, states that any Hong Kong resident who “is of Chinese descent and was born in the Chinese territories (including Hong Kong)”, before or after the Handover, is a Chinese national with right of abode in Hong Kong….
    In practice, many overseas Chinese, who are of “Chinese descent”, would not have been Chinese nationals but for the Explanation, so this provision effectively bestowed Chinese nationality on any Hong Kong- or Macau-resident child who is of Chinese descent and was born in Hong Kong, Macau, Taiwan or mainland China, regardless of the nationalities of his parents, in addition to the Right of Abode (ROA) in Hong Kong or Macau.

  162. Diogenes

    Reading further in wiki about renunciation, had Gladys been born in mainland China , she would have automatically lost her Chinese citizenship when she naturalised. For HKers it is more complicated , but I am sure she has formally renounced for section 44 purposes 😉

  163. Roger

    It looks like a fairly harmless peace rally

    It’s apparently Shia commemorating a lost battle that took place 1200 years ago.

    Pax!

  164. Roger

    For HKers it is more complicated , but I am sure she has formally renounced for section 44 purposes 😉

    Yes, she did so in 2018.

  165. John Constantine

    Ashura procession of Grief is nearly one and a half thousand years old.

    Remembrance Day didn’t last a century in Australia.

    Iranian proxies hezbollah control this shia grief day in many places. While Australia talks about joining a coalition against Iran in the gulf, the Iranian regime’s proxies hold a mass March of motivated military age revolutionary freedom activists in the heart of Sydney.

    Australian State sponsored.

    Bet the bill for police hours wasn’t handed over for this.

    Comrades.

  166. mh

    Two protestors have glued themselves to the road on Brisbane’s Victoria bridge.

    Why should this hold up the traffic?

  167. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Thanks for the link Bruce. This march by the RoP is an annual event. As is this.

    Interesting link. Couldn’t see any women, though. Don’t they celebrate the end of Ramadan?

  168. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    My letters to a tiny and inconsequential weekly newspaper north of Cairns, the Port Douglas and Mossman Gazette, have earned a response from the mighty Pwofesser Ove Hoegh-Guldberg!

    Well done, Carimonia. Your response is ideal, and I hope it gets published.

  169. John Constantine

    Chicom peoples liberation army secret police facial recognition cameras would be able to cross reference those attending the hezbollah parade with those on record with photo ID security industry licences and photo ID firearms licences.

    Our State will use this as an excuse to do OBOR to get chicom secret police dissenter identification software packages to use on everyone.

  170. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    An Australian couple detained in a notorious prison in Iran have been identified as travel bloggers from Perth.

    Jolie King and Mark Firkin were reportedly arrested for flying a drone without a licence, according to Persian-language broadcaster Manato TV on Twitter.

    The UK Times revealed the young British-Australian woman and her Australian partner were arrested 10 weeks ago and are detained in Evin prison in the Iranian capital of Tehran.

  171. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Ashura procession of Grief is nearly one and a half thousand years old.
    Remembrance Day didn’t last a century in Australia.

    Yeah. Well, we still have Christmas and Easter.
    Have to hang on tight to keep them though given the PC onslaught.

  172. 1735099

    better men than you do the hard yards.

    And how many operational “hard yards” did you do, old mate?
    In my case, just counting Operation Finschhafen alone at the beginning of my tour, probably around 50000, only we measured them in thousands of metres (clics).
    Do tell…

  173. John Constantine

    Culturally, hezbollah can turn out a bigger mass of motivated military age males for Iran Day on the streets of sydney than australia turns out for Remembrance Day.

    A hundred years from now, Iran Day will be bigger than ANZAC Day in sydney.

    Comrades.

  174. Knuckle Dragger

    The Battle of Karbala, 680 AD. Excellent result, with the grandson of the Big M snuffing it, before:

    ‘Then fire was set to their camp and the bodies were trampled by the hoofs of the horses, nobody in the history of the human mind has seen such atrocities.’

    – Ay-rab historian Abu Rayham al-Biruni

    No white helmets though. Passing strange.

  175. Ivan Denisovich

    The Left pursues the guilty:

    If it bleeds it leads — but not if it’s something the media is pretending isn’t alive.

    Yes, journalists are on trial for the crime of journalism, because they investigated an industry, the abortion industry of course, protected by the left.

    And a current first-tier (though fading) Democrat presidential candidate.

    [F]ormer California attorney general Kamala Harris sought to prosecute Daleiden at the behest of her political donors at Planned Parenthood. Even though Daledien’s unreleased footage should have been protected by the California Shield Law, Harris ordered a search warrant against Daleiden in 2016 and a raid of his apartment, seizing his computer, camera equipment, and footage.
    Email records show correspondence between Harris’ office and Planned Parenthood officials, orchestrating public responses, filing police reports, and even drafting legislation targeting Daleiden…

    I don’t want to steal all of the grim details testimony has disclosed, but here are a few horrors:

    The late term-abortionist said killing a baby in utero with digoxin prevented the “delivery of a live fetus,” which is “the biggest disaster and it never goes away.”

    When the CEO of StemExpress was asked about the head of a baby being attached to the body upon tissue procurement, she said the photos from CMP are accurate and show that the heads are sometimes attached and sometimes are not attached to other parts of body.

    The CEO of StemExpress indicated StemExpress as a business has grown larger.
    A former director for Planned Parenthood said, “We’ve been pretty successful” when asked about the ability to flip a baby in the womb to breech position in order to extract it with the head intact for brain harvesting. Doing so is more dangerous to the mother but more profitable for companies that sell baby body parts for research…….

    Obama Attorney General Loretta Lynch requested the investigation of pro-life undercover journalists who exposed Planned Parenthood’s trafficking in baby body parts, a California Department of Justice agent testified Tuesday.
    Special agent Brian Cardwell said Lynch sent a letter to California Attorney General Kamala Harris asking that David Daleiden and Sandra Merritt of the Center for Medical Progress be investigated…….

    http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=383271

  176. Top Ender

    Territory youth justice in spotlight at the UN: Progress questioned by international experts

    RAPHAELLA SAROUKOS, NT News
    Subscriber only

    THE federal government has been pushed to answer questions about the Territory’s youth justice system at a United Nations hearing in Geneva.

    International youth experts questioned the progress in the Territory following the Royal Commission into the Protection and Detention of Children, ABC Darwin reported.

    Social Services Department group manager Lisa Foreman said improvements were being made.

    “In response to the Royal Commission the Northern Territory and Australian governments have taken a number of significant steps,” she said.

    “The government has introduced four pieces of legislation, and another piece of legislation is before the Northern Territory assembly at the moment.”

    The NT Criminal Lawyers Association said the recent arrest of a teenager in Darwin was an example of why the NT Government’s new youth justice act needed an overhaul.

    Lawyers said four police officers allegedly arrested a 15-year-old for stealing a soft-drink in Knuckeys Lagoon.

    The teen was kept at the Darwin Watchhouse for five hours before being released on bail.

    NT Criminal Lawyers Association president Marty Aust said it was an example of police not using arrest as a last resort, which was recommended in the Royal Commission.

    “This is a prime example of a matter in which police officers were involved, a youth taken into custody, taken before the court and immediately bailed information to that matter, which is a waste of community resources and a needless incarceration of a 15 year old boy,” he said.

    The Youth Justice Reform bill is expected to be tabled in parliament next week with changes to exclude the onus on police to use arrest as a last resort.

    NT News but probably paywalled. My comments is:

    Obviously, when such an arrest is made, we should ask the perpetrator NOT TO DO IT AGAIN.

    Then release them.

    Then when they are arrested again for a similar offence, we should ask them NOT TO DO IT AGAIN.

    See what the problem is?

  177. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    GetUp is using a 12-year-old girl to raise money for a ­national ­advertising campaign supporting the Global Climate Strike, which is urging students and workers to take the day off and “demand an end to the age of fossil fuels”.

    I demand an end to the age of left wing insanity!

  178. C.L.

    Chicom peoples liberation army secret police facial recognition cameras

    There are computers can tell Asians apart?

  179. Some History

    Bans enacted … Anti-smoking fanatic Trump moves against vaping.

    From Chris Snowdon:

    The American Vape Scare

    https://velvetgloveironfist.blogspot.com/2019/09/the-american-vape-scare.html

    Melania Trump is also on the bandwagon spouting the standard propaganda and it’s all for The Children™. These tossers were antismoking first:

    Melania Trump calls for government action against e-cigarettes

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/melania-trump-calls-for-government-action-against-e-cigarettes

  180. Knuckle Dragger

    Thanks, Old Yeller, but I know all about klicks. Done far more than you, in your brief involuntary period of service.

    Here’s the thing. I volunteered, not knowing if there was going to be armed conflict at any stage during my service, but volunteered anyway as I had no problem if it came to that.

    You, on the other hand, knew there was the opportunity to be actually useful to the country that gave you so much, and went out of your way to deliberately avoid pulling on a boot.

    And having failed in that, proved yourself to be such a liability to your comrades that you were removed from doing useful things and sent back to hide in safety – all the while consuming rations and stores better spent on men who were prepared to fight.

    It’s worth repeating ‘cos it’s true. You are a coward who revels in the national service you tried so hard not to perform.

    Dogged it.

    Woof woof woof.

  181. Some History

    Michael Bloomberg launches $160M initiative to ban flavored e-cigarettes

    https://www.axios.com/michael-bloomberg-160-million-initiative-vaping-youth-f9da04ab-bd8a-4115-955f-08ad2f485506.html

    Michael Bloomturd is a rabid antismoking nut case. While mayor of New York he introduced a number antismoking measures. He’s pumped billions of dollars into antismoking, mostly to the UN agency, the World Health Organization. Now he’s pumping big money into anti-ecigs.

    Bloomberg Philanthropies will work in coordination with the Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids. The funds will be used to push local, state and federal governments to implement bans on flavored e-cigarettes, impose stricter standards and encourage the FDA to strengthen its approval process for vaping products.

    So, Bloomturd is working with Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids (CTFK). The Campaign for Tobacco Free Kids is a “catchy” title…….. it even has the word “kids” in it. It promotes itself as a “charity”. However, the organization was created in the 1990s by the Robert Woods Johnson Foundation (Pharma-“Philanthropy”). RWJF is financed by its considerable stock holding in Johnson & Johnson, a manufacturer of NRT (nicotine patches, gum). By promoting smoking bans and extortionate taxes on tobacco, CTFK is simply attempting to expand the Pharma NRT market. CTFK is a Pharma-front group.

    CTFK has played a key role in the US “Master Settlement”, in the structure of the WHO FCTC, and in getting tobacco products to come under the jurisdiction of the FDA in America.

    Here’s reference to Matt Myers (head of CTFK) meeting with then Australian Health Minister, Nicola Roxon, egging on the Australians to sue the tobacco industry for “health costs”:
    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/national-class-action-bid-for-big-tobacco-health-bill/story-fn59niix-1226343121280

  182. Bruce of Newcastle

    THE federal government has been pushed to answer questions about the Territory’s youth justice system at a United Nations hearing in Geneva.

    Maybe the NT government could adopt more than just smoking ceremonies.
    A hygenic medically-supervised spearing in the leg would honour NT indigenous heritage.
    And the locals could hardly object to Caucasians receiving aboriginal justice.
    Caucasians after all aren’t allowed to climb Uluru, so why not spearings too?
    Perps wouldn’t reoffend much because after a few such penalties they’d be in wheelchairs.

  183. dover_beach

    He has obviously never been exposed to the Taxonomy Wars, which are fought with unbridled bitterness and to the death – as in, until someone dies, not a point is even up for debate. But, our Dover has form.

    Anyway, as a fancier of Australian orchids, about ten years ago I learned that the taxonomy of dendrobiums and other orchids I collected had been changed. From being someone who had a bit of knowledge, I was once again turfed out into the field of the ignorami.

    No doubt, in ten years time, entrepreneurial biologists will upset the applecart again.

    Species are not as real as male and female, JC. Once again, you demonstrate what happens when you stray from hosing down the lions and the concrete drive at the front gate.

    Poor Johanna, how does any of that suggest that I either ‘moved the goalposts’, your favourite life jacket when you are drowning in your own absurdity, or that species are human constructs in a manner in which man and woman are not? The fact that the congress of a female tiger and male lion produces a infertile liger while that of a male tiger and lioness an infertile tigon, and that this is always the case in both instances, suggests strongly that both sex and species are real aspects of the material world.

    BTW, it must involve a fair bit of willful blindness to judge that the sexes are a real feature of the world but that the particular varieties of organisms that instantiate that feature are not.

  184. rickw

    THE federal government has been pushed to answer questions about the Territory’s youth justice system at a United Nations hearing in Geneva.

    Hauled before a panel of the world’s shitiest countries!

  185. Knuckle Dragger

    TE,

    Scandalous rumour has it that the young bloke who stole a Coke was two days earlier responsible for breaking into three houses, stealing two cars, then smashed about $70K worth of five windows in Coolalinga and stole various bits of shit from them as well.

    Bastards, going around arresting people willy-nilly. There ought to be a law.

  186. Knuckle Dragger

    *windows in five businesses at Coolalinga*

    Geez.

  187. Zyconoclast

    Indian man, 32, caught impersonating 81-year-old in bid to fly to the United States

    Jayesh Patel, 32, was arrested at New Delhi’s Ghandi International Airport before a flight to New York on Sunday, with dyed white hair and beard, and wearing large spectacles.

    CCTV images show Mr Patel arrived on a wheelchair and initially passed through security and immigration checks.

    However, officials grew suspicious after he refused to go through frisking because he said was unable to stand due to his age, India’s Central Industrial Security Force (CIFS) said in a media release quoted in local media outlets.

    India TV News also reported that the man was avoiding eye contact during the interaction.

    “The appearance and skin texture of the passenger seemed to be much younger than mentioned in the passport,” a senior CISF officer was quoted as saying.

  188. notafan

    The feast date of September 12th also has special significance. In 1683, the Mos lem Turks, under the leadership of Sultan Moha mmed IV, once again began their aggression against Christian Europe. Just a few years earlier, they had been stopped at Poland. A huge army of Mus lim Turks, estimated at around 300,000, marched through Hungary (parts of which had been under their control for 150 years) towards Austria. They ravaged Hungary, and were partly successful because of a Calvinist named Thokoly who incited rebellion against the Catholic rulers; for his traitorous dealings, Moha mmed IV named Thokoly “King of Hungary and Croatia,” but with the understanding that he was simply a vassal to his Mos lem overlord.

    The Mos lem aggression continued on to Austria. Emperor Leopold fled from Vienna. By July, 1683, the Grand Vizier Kara Mus tapha laid siege to Vienna, defended by an army of only 15,000 Christians. The papal nuncio as well as Emperor Leopold begged King Jan Sobieski, who had defeated the Mos lem Turks at the Polish borders and had earned the title “Unvanquished Northern Lion,” to come to their aid. Sobieski did not hesitate.

    In August, Sobieski began his campaign. As he and his troops passed the Shrine to Our Lady of Czestochowa, they begged the Blessed Mother’s blessing and intercession. At the beginning of September, they crossed the Danube and met with the German armies. On September 11, Sobieski was outside of Vienna with an army of about 76,000 men. The hussars lured the Mos lem Turks into thinking they were on retreat, and then with reinforcements attacked. The Mos lem Turks retreated, but were followed by Sobieski’s calvary. The vanquished Mos lem Turks fled Austria (but only after slaughtering hundreds of hostages). Vienna and Christian Europe were saved. The Mos lem standard proclaiming “Death to the Infidel” was taken by Sobieski and delivered to the Pope.

    Worshiping at a Holy Mass of Thanksgiving, Sobieski fell prostrate and with outstretched arms declared it was God’s cause and praised Him for the victory saying, “Veni, vidi, Deus vicit.” meaning “I came, I saw, God conquered,” which he also wrote in a letter to Pope Innocent XI. On September 12th, Sobieski triumphantly entered Vienna. Pope Innocent XI thereupon declared September 12th as a date to honor Mary, whose maternal intercession had saved Christendom just has it had over 100 years earlier at the Battle of Lepanto. As for Kara Musta pha, Moha mmed IV had him strangled for being defeated by the Christians. Pause for a moment: Only the ignorant would not see the connection between September 11, 1683 and the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001.

    today’s feast day

  189. rickw

    A hundred years from now, Iran Day will be bigger than ANZAC Day in sydney.

    Comrades.

    Gave ourselves cancer.

  190. Some History

    From the archive, 1999.

    Back in the late-1990s, the WHO partnered with Pharma companies peddling nicotine replacement products to curb smoking.

    I will end on another urgent area for cooperation – tobacco control. Three and a half million die from tobacco every year – with two thirds dying in middle age – not in old age. That figure is expected within one generation to triple to ten million. All of that growth will be coming in the developing world. One out of three Chinese men who are today under thirty are expected to die from tobacco.
    We face a real epidemic – it will hit countries which at present have very weak means of defence – it is driven by a part of industry which is massively focusing its marketing efforts on youth and women in those countries.
    Nicotine is addictive. Habits start in youth. Eighty per cent of smokers start their dangerous habit before the age of 18. We are talking about 12, 13, 14 year-old kids embarking on addiction. That is not freedom of choice.
    We work with the World Bank, UNICEF and other UN partners to strengthen control, taxation policies, and a ban on advertising.
    But we also need to help people not to start smoking – and to help those who have started to quit. How can industry help? Many of you do by urging and supporting your staff to quit smoking and by setting the example yourself. Well done.
    I am pleased to announce a new partnership here today. We have just set up a Partnership Project in our European Region, with the objective of reducing tobacco-related death and disease among smokers. The project, which is open to both private, non-commercial and public-sector partners, will support the key strategic goals of our Tobacco-Free Initiative.
    Three major pharmaceutical companies have joined this partnership: Glaxo Wellcome, Novartis, and Pharmacia & Upjohn. They all manufacture treatment products against tobacco dependence. Together, these companies will support a common goal that will have a significant impact on public health.
    Tobacco dependence treatments are effective. Industry has the products which can help people quit. Stopping is wise. Helping people to stop is a good idea.

    http://web.archive.org/web/20111106032339/http://www.who.int/director-general/speeches/1999/english/19990130_davos.html

    We can now see how nasty antismoking has become since the late-1990s, and led by the WHO.

    Tobacco dependence treatments are effective.

    No they’re not. They’re next to useless.

  191. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Patrick Cross’s dark toon absolutely did it for me today, Tom.

    Rarely if ever seen a better or more poignant one.

  192. rickw

    (but only after slaughtering hundreds of hostages)

    At least Mo’s crew are consistent…

  193. Infidel Tiger

    An Australian couple detained in a notorious prison in Iran have been identified as travel bloggers from Perth.

    Jolie King and Mark Firkin were reportedly arrested for flying a drone without a licence, according to Persian-language broadcaster Manato TV on Twitter.

    The UK Times revealed the young British-Australian woman and her Australian partner were arrested 10 weeks ago and are detained in Evin prison in the Iranian capital of Tehran.

    Pretty funny.

    They were aiming to show amazing and tolerant these off the beaten track shitholes are.

    Well, now at least they know. From Cottesloe to an Iranian prison. Nice!

  194. mh

    Thanks for your service, Knuckle Dragger.

  195. Top Ender

    Yeah Knuckles – if anything would drive one out of the Territory it’s the crime and the frustration it brings.

  196. Zyconoclast

    ABC Fact Check
    Malcolm Turnbull says renewables plus storage are cheaper than coal and nuclear for new power generation. Is he correct?

    Fair Call

  197. rickw

    Pretty funny.

    They were aiming to show amazing and tolerant these off the beaten track shitholes are.

    Very amusing!

  198. JC

    Species are not as real as male and female, JC. Once again, you demonstrate what happens when you stray from hosing down the lions and the concrete drive at the front gate.

    Jezebel’s did “old man” teach you all the secrets of ethnic slurs, did he? I bet he did.

    My Dutch old man, now 90 years old, has never been fond of Joos, although he claims to be a progressive, universalist, one humanity type of guy. I reckon that he would have been fine with me marrying a black or brown or yellow person, but would have been much less enthusiastic if I had brought home a Joo. He would never endorse giving them up to the Germans or anything like that, but he definitely regards them with suspicion.

    ……..
    It’s a funny old world.

    Yea, it sure is a funny old world.

  199. Bruce of Newcastle

    From Cottesloe to an Iranian prison.

    The whole story gets even more fruity as you dig deeper…

    A British-Australian blogger and her Australian boyfriend were detained 10 weeks ago while traveling through Asia, The Times newspaper in London reported.

    Iranian authorities told the blogger she was being held as part of a plan to facilitate a prisoner swap with Australia, the newspaper said, citing an anonymous source with knowledge of the cases.

    Nabbed for a prisoner swap? What Iranians do we have in the jug? Well apart from the Manus Men who the Iranians have always refused to accept back…

    Tensions as Iran Detains Two British-Australian Tourists

  200. Knuckle Dragger

    Jan Sobieski III and his heavy cavalry should be lauded alongside Charles Martel and Charlemagne.

    I think it was TE that said the Poles created a massive statue of him for display in Vienna, but the Austrians said they didn’t want it in case it offended the local head-bangers.

  201. Knuckle Dragger

    Ah geez mh. Ta.

    Ain’t nothin’ compared to that of others, including a few here at the Cat.

    Happy to defer to those blokes in these things.

  202. Some History

    David Hockney says he is relocating to France where he can ‘smoke in restaurants’ and work ‘twice as much’

    He is arguably Los Angeles’ most famous artist, despite hailing from Bradford.
    But David Hockney has revealed he is turning his back on the city where he painted some of his greatest works, because of America’s censorious attitude to smoking.
    The 82-year-old, who first moved to the city in 1964 after leaving art school in London, has told The Wall Street Journal that he is relocating to Normandy so that he can eat and smoke at the same time.
    “I’d like to just work and paint,” he told the paper, two days before his planned move. “The French know how to live. They know about pleasure.”
    Once considered one of America’s most licentious cities, Los Angeles in recent decades has become a haven of clean living. It has some of the country’s strictest laws on smoking, which is banned in all public places, including outside restaurants and bars.
    From his Los Angeles studio, surrounded by cigarette butts which he reportedly extinguishes on his carpet, the man considered one of Britain’s greatest modern artists offered a candid assessment of the future.
    “I’ve smoked for more than 60 years but I think I’m quite healthy. I’m 82. How much longer do I have? I’m going to die of either a smoking-related illness or a non–smoking-related illness.”
    He said he made an impulse decision to buy a house in Normandy last year after he “fell in love” with a property he saw for just 25 minutes.

    RTWT

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/09/10/david-hockney-says-relocating-france-can-smoke-restaurants-work/

    It’s good that Hockney can relocate in the face of draconian laws. Most cannot. Here’s the problem for Hockney. The Olympics circus rolls into France in 2024. The antismoking Taliban, including WHO representatives, is already at work in France. Smoking bans in parks are becoming popular. And the antismokers have their sights on smoking bans in outdoor dining areas.

  203. Knuckle Dragger

    Good link nota.

    I didn’t know Sobieski went through the Vienna gates on 12 September.

    My young bloke’s 15 today. Reason enough to celebrate, but even more so as it’s the anniversary of the result of Polish dudes stomping the heads off of tens of thousands of goat stalkers.

  204. Bruce of Newcastle

    David Hockney says he is relocating to France where he can ‘smoke in restaurants’ and work ‘twice as much’

    Well he maybe right about the smoking, at least before Macron gets another case of the nannies, but he sure ain’t correct about the work bit.

    Baker in France slapped with €3,000 fine for working too hard (2018)

  205. Roger

    Once considered one of America’s most licentious cities, Los Angeles in recent decades has become a haven of clean living.

    Don’t mention the rodents.

  206. Black Ball

    http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=383196

    Good morning all.
    What the writer conveys in describing the picture is sombre, infuriating and uplifting. Sombre because of the actual event, infuriating because it should never of happened and uplifting because of the response to it.
    In saying that, it’s almost a symbol of the West itself. We are at war, cultural and political, also actual war with the adherents of the ROP. What the outcome is will be determined in time but I certainly hope that those who fought wars for our country and gave the ultimate sacrifice will not be in vain.

  207. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Here’s the thing. I volunteered, not knowing if there was going to be armed conflict at any stage during my service, but volunteered anyway as I had no problem if it came to that.

    Recruiting did point out that you may find yourself deployed overseas to fight a war that didn’t have public support at home..

  208. Geriatric Mayfly

    Well apart from the Manus Men who the Iranians have always refused to accept back…

    Surely the Iranians will take that Boohachi fellow back. He has had literary prizes heaped upon him and could score a rare Nobel for the Muesli world. And now that he speaks fluent pidgin will be of inestimable benefit to the security forces.

  209. Bruce of Newcastle

    I’m amused Taylor Swift is performing at the Melbourne Cup.
    She went full woke this year.
    ‘Big in Melbourne’ would be a fun epitaph.

  210. Some History

    It’s September which means that on the 1st there was the 7th of 8 12.5% increases in tobacco excise. Then there are 2 smaller increases per year aligned to average male weekly earnings. These used to be aligned to the CPI but AMWE yields a higher taxing value. Then there’s 10% GST on the tax.

    2013 – 12.5% tobacco tax increase + 2 x AMWE increases + 10% GST
    2014 – 12.5% tobacco tax increase + 2 x AMWE increases + 10% GST
    2015 – 12.5% tobacco tax increase + 2 x AMWE increases + 10% GST
    2016 – 12.5% tobacco tax increase + 2 x AMWE increases + 10% GST
    2017 – 12.5% tobacco tax increase + 2 x AMWE increases + 10% GST
    2018 – 12.5% tobacco tax increase + 2 x AMWE increases + 10% GST
    2019 – 12.5% tobacco tax increase + 2 x AMWE increases + 10% GST
    2020 – 12.5% tobacco tax increase + 2 x AMWE increases + 10% GST

    The robbery by government just escalates. These government crooks have inflated a $5-6 pack of cigarettes to more than $40 for premium brands. Include the income tax paid by tobacco importers and tobacco retailers, it’s the government snout that accounts for 85%+ of the pack price. And the States are in on the action through their GST cut on tobacco.

    Contrast this with, say, California, where any tax hikes on tobacco have to go to a public vote.

  211. dover_beach

    You can get interspecific hybrids. Plenty of examples. (I have a couple of Dendrobium x Cymbidium crosses – both grown from seed, so both producing quite different flowers.)

    And some intergeneric ones eg. x cupressocyparis leylandii (the bane of light lovers).

    And all of this doesn’t suggest that species are a human construct. All it indicates is that in many instances you can produce a hybrid organism from two species of the same genus. Nevertheless, I gather these hybrids are infertile as well. Hmm, this recurring infertility suggests something…

  212. 1735099

    And having failed in that, proved yourself to be such a liability to your comrades that you were removed from doing useful things and sent back to hide in safety – all the while consuming rations and stores better spent on men who were prepared to fight.

    Bottom line, old mate, is that I saw operational service, and you didn’t.
    Given that you are so invested in it, you certainly could have, but obviously wimped it.
    OTOH, I didn’t.
    You demonstrate the most objectionable form of hypocrisy.
    You get your jollies from smearing those who were in harm’s way, whilst never subjecting yourself to the same experience. You simply don’t know what you’re talking about.
    You are quite sick.
    Unless you’re privy to my army record, you have no idea of my performance.
    I’ll make you an offer.
    Email Sinc, requesting a copy of my complete army record, which I have on CD from AWM years ago.
    It has every document pertaining to my service.
    If he confirms you have done that, I’ll upload it, and he can send it to you.
    You’ll find no record of any request from me to be removed from a rifle platoon.
    But you will see a change in my posting to fill a gap created by the return of 14th intake diggers, along with half my section.
    My rifle section had a complete turnover of personnel, something quite common when the task force was downsizing from three battalions to two in 1970.
    But you wouldn’t have a clue about that.
    Everything you post about my service is fantasy.
    Come on – put up, or shut up.

  213. zyconoclast

    Mothers sound so much nicer than members of an alleged criminal syndicate

    Mothers who allegedly gave their children’s identities to be used in a $4 million childcare fraud syndicate were arrested in a police operation across south-west Sydney on Thursday.

    Mothers who allegedly gave their children’s identities to be used in a $4 million childcare fraud syndicate were arrested in a police operation across south-west Sydney on Thursday.
    More than 10 women were targeted in the early morning raids for facilitating the operations of Red Roses Family Day Care Pty Ltd, which allegedly masqueraded as a day-care company in order to defraud the federal government’s child care subsidy scheme. They are expected to be charged with participating in a criminal group.

    It is the second arrest operation this week after seven women were arrested at their homes on Tuesday.
    Among them was the company’s top supervisor Lubna Al-Hashimy, 41. She was arrested at the Georges Hall home she shares with her husband Alee Farmann, the alleged mastermind of the operation.

    Mr Farmann was one of 17 people charged in May over their role in operating the fake home family day-care business in arrests that police described as “the tip of the iceberg”.
    Now investigators have turned their sights to the parents who allegedly helped to make it happen.
    Strike Force Mercury was launched in July last year by the Financial Crimes and Organised Crime Squads to investigate Red Roses Family Day Care, which has since been shut down.

    Police allege the business created false timesheets and rostering, mock children’s play areas and advertised photographs of children who were never in care to fraudulently claim for Commonwealth benefits under a childcare subsidy scheme.
    Under the scheme, a subsidy is paid directly to home day-care providers to be passed on to families as a fee reduction. Families then make a co-contribution to their fees by paying the provider the difference between the fee charged and the subsidy amount.
    In the Red Roses Family Day Care network, parents operating fake home day-care centres would provide their own children’s identities to be lodged on the books of another facility and vice-versa, despite none of their children ever being cared for by the other.
    Subsidy payments were then paid back to the business, to be filtered down through the syndicate.

    It is alleged one property that claimed to be caring for 50 children at a time was in fact a small garage that was without electricity for 22 days in February.
    More than 35 people have been arrested and charged over the operation.
    Mr Farmann was the registered director of Red Roses Family Day Care and the alleged mastermind of the fraud, enjoying a take-home salary of about $30,000 a fortnight. It is alleged he used the money to purchase luxury cars and real estate across Sydney.
    In May, he was charged with directing a criminal group. He is on bail and is yet to enter a plea. He will next appear at Liverpool Local Court on September 30.

    On Tuesday, he attended Bankstown police station where his wife was taken following her arrest at their $1.5 million Georges Hall home. She was also charged with directing a criminal group.

    Another six women were arrested and charged with participating in a criminal group. They included Nahida Safar, 35, and Mariam Farhat, 32. Both allegedly provided their children’s identities to the syndicate.
    All were released on conditional bail and are scheduled to appear at Liverpool Local Court on September 30.
    In May, acting State Crime Commander Stuart Smith said the syndicate was “elaborate”, with systems designed “to defeat [departmental] audits … both phone and physical audits”.

  214. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    For Cats with an interest in matters military – Max Hasting’s new book “Operation Chastise – The Dambusters story 1943” is a new look at a subject I thought that the last word had been written about years ago. Damnfine reading – highly recommended. Oh, and the black Labrador was “Rigger” – well almost..

  215. zyconoclast

    Great site for helpful advice from typical dads

    THE FATHER HOOD

    Hugh Jackman: “Parenting Is Very Different Now”

    Body Hack’s Todd Sampson: “Bravery Is A Learned Skill – I Want My Girls To Take Huge Risks”

    UFC Champ Robert Whittaker: “Being a Fighter Has Definitely Helped Me as a Father”

    Bluey: How a Cartoon Dog Became Your Ultimate Guide to Fatherhood

    Osher Gunsberg: “There’s something super wonderful about falling in love with a woman that has a kid”

    Michael Klim: “Divorce Has Made Me A Better Dad”

    “Lately I’m making an effort to just put my phone away” – Chris Hemsworth on the modern challenges of fatherhood

    Things My Father Taught Me – George Calombaris

  216. stackja

    Zulu – A black dog named as a black dog! Simpler times!

  217. dover_beach

    black Labrador

    Meet one the other day. A 6 month old pup the size of a pony. Lovely dog.

  218. 1735099

    Recruiting did point out that you may find yourself deployed overseas to fight a war that didn’t have public support at home..

    Something introduced post Vietnam.
    The army adjusted to the reality.
    Many who post here still haven’t.
    Slow learners…..

  219. Geriatric Mayfly

    Zulu – A black dog named as a black dog! Simpler times!

    Had one once with the very same handle. Can’t recall ever giving it a second thought.

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