All immigrants are traitors

Gladys Liu seems to have created something of a stir by having a “bad” interview on Bolt’s show.

The Labor Party are having a great time stirring things up. Some of their comments, however, are quite offensive.

“There have been questions raised for some time about whether Ms Liu is a fit and proper person to be in the Australian Parliament,” Labor’s foreign affairs spokeswoman Penny Wong said this morning.

“She gave an interview last night in an attempt to answer some of those questions and we’ve only ended up with more questions.

“This is a test for Scott Morrison. He needs to come into the Parliament, and make a statement and assure the Australian Parliament and through them the Australian people that Gladys Liu is fit and proper, a fit and proper person to be in the Australian Parliament.”

What questions would those be? Precisely? That a woman is a Liberal MP? That an ethnic woman is a Liberal MP? That an immigrant (from Hong Kong) is a Liberal MP? What exactly constitutes “a fit and proper person to be in the Australian Parliament”? Not a woman? Not an immigrant? Only Australian born? Only Australian and UK/Irish born? Inquiring minds would like to know.

The Labor Party that gave us the White Australia Policy now wants to implement a White Australian Parliament Policy?

Then there is the Bolt interview:

Bolt: “But Gladys, a simple question. Is Xi Jinping a dictator?”

Liu: “That is not a question for me to answer, but I can tell you about Hong Kong. It is very …”

Bolt: “I don’t want to know about Hong Kong. I am asking you about Xi Jinping, the dictator of communist China, and you don’t have an opinion about him.”

Liu: “I do have an opinion, but I’m not going to use the word dictator. He is in their system an elected chairman or president, they call it, for China.”

How many non-Chinese MPs have ever been asked on national television if Xi Jinping is a dictator? Mind you, Gladys Liu – who is from Hong Kong and was cut off trying to talk about something she knows well – gave the technically correct answer. We may well think that Xi is a “dictator” but he was elected under the very restricted franchise that operates in the PRC.

Then:

Bolt: “Gladys Liu, are you in effect a spokesman for the Chinese Communist regime in Australia?”

McCarthyism at its finest – are you now, or have you ever been, a member of the communist party?

In addition to the Labor Party’s long history of Sinophobia two other things make me very suspicious of this story – the involvement of the ABC and Clive Hamilton.

Update: I think Andrew Bolt is very angry with me.

I just want to pick one aspect of his reply:

 … the person Davidson most accuses of implying that “all immigrants are racists” is Penny Wong, herself an immigrant (from Malaysia) and of Chinese descent …

For Davidson to ask those questions of Wong, of all people – a woman, an immigrant, and not born in Australia, the UK or Ireland – is remarkable. Self-evidently, Wong means nothing like Davidson snarkily suggests.

Yep. I have absolutely no time whatsoever for Penny Wong.  She does and says whatever it takes to “fit in”. 

My first political memory of Wong is her being called out by Tim Wilson in 2008 on the then new Q&A over the issue of gay marriage. She was opposed to gay marriage at that time – because the Labor Party was opposed to gay marriage at that time.  Now she could have chosen the honourable thing to – like the unfairly and much maligned Peter Garrett – she could have said “My personal view is this, but I’m part of a team and the team’s view is that”. But no. Out of all of the people in Labor, she knows full well that Sinophobia is a long-standing issue in Australia. Not only has she not kept quiet about it, she has joined in the attack.

The worst that can be said for Gladys Liu is that sometimes the stop-gap candidates get elected.

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118 Responses to All immigrants are traitors

  1. Rex Mango

    Gladys gave a good answer for someone who may want to visit HK in the future.

  2. notafan

    Poor Gladys trying to be diplomatic.

  3. CountingCats

    You are right, other Liberal Party members are not asked these questions, but, on the other hand, I am not aware of other members who have a documented history of holding senior positions in CCP influence and propaganda organisations.

  4. Bolt is an idiot and so is everyone in the Labor Party front bench.

  5. Sinclair Davidson

    Backbencher doesn’t want to get dragged into foreign affairs questions.

    Backbencher with friends and relatives in communist country doesn’t want to offend aforementioned communist country’s authorities.

  6. Tim Neilson

    “But Gladys, a simple question. Is Xi Jinping a dictator?”

    Correct answer – “do you really expect a member of the government to give an on-air gratuitous insult to the leader of one of our major trading partners?” [Apart from Trump, of course – in the days of the unlamented Mick Trumble they would have leaped at the chance to burnish their woke credentials.]

  7. Sinclair Davidson

    I am not aware of other members who have a documented history of holding senior positions in CCP influence and propaganda organisations.

    Any ALP members perhaps?

    Seriously – this is far too obvious.

  8. Shy Ted

    2 Gladyses in NSW!! Parents, you’re on notice about naming your kids.

  9. Sinclair Davidson

    bemused – let’s not over-react. Andrew is good on most things. But seems to have drunk the Clive Hamilton – Mr democracy himselfkool aid on China.

  10. Robbo

    I’m very disappointed because I thought that Andrew Bolt was better than that. It looked to me that he set out to discredit Liu with some loaded questions. There appears to still be a fair bit of the Bob Hawke staffer left in him. What a pity.

  11. Infidel Tiger

    Any policy that removes Wong sounds okay.

  12. Dr Fred Lenin

    Good to see the alp defending Australia from Chinese sympathisers in the old workers party tradition ,Keating Carr and Destaryi are only in assosciation with the chinese to get reuseabke Aldi shopping bags with mysterious contents ,
    Hypocracy ,the essence of modern politics .

  13. BrettW

    Bolt seems to have no problem having Kimberley Kitching as a regular guest despite her poor performance in the Trade Union Royal Commission.

    Was Penny Wong supportive of Sam Dastyari when he had a conflict of interest over his China links ? Or did she say he was not fit to be in Parliament ? After all Sam could call up a Chinese billionaire to ask him to pay his bills. That would be the same billionaire who he asked to step outside because somebody might be listening. The same guy now being mentioned in the ICAC hearing.

    I noted the ABC article and quotes by Clive Hamilton and a link to somebody who puts on Chinese cultural events in Melbourne. This is the same guy who organises junkets for Crown. Seems his nickname is Mr Chinatown. There was a picture with Gladys and the PM. Just a thought but would the Labor candidate for Chisholm,who is also Chinese, also have appeared at functions with the same person. Highly likely I would think.

  14. notafan

    Gladys Liu is a Victorian.

    I agree Sinclair. It was a very unreasonable question to ask.

    Glad my Chinese relative has no living relatives in China.

    All here or the US.

  15. I’d love to find a link to the BBC documentary on Jennifer Yang and Gladys Liu that aired before the election.

    Apparently Yang said multiple times ‘China is on the rise’

    Odd.

  16. Charles

    Both Kimberly Kitching and James Patterson declined to call Xi Jinping a dictator, so I am wondering if they are traitors and subversives too?

  17. Old School Conservative

    I’m glad I read the Cat.
    From the follow up programs after Bolt, the rapturous acclaim he got made me assume that Gladys was a sneaky, conniving, Sinophile whose “train wreck” of an interview had scuttled her career.
    Good to have an alternative viewpoint to look at.

  18. notafan

    Hmm Jennifer Yang going on about the growing power of China.

    Interesting that that was the quote she gave to the BBC in the run up to the Australian Federal election.

    As for her English language skills

    Jeepers

    Gladys’s sound bite was just fine.

  19. notafan

    I’m in Chisholm electorate.

    Send Gladys a congrats message just before she got confirmation to which she nicely replied.
    Labor tried to skittle her with a dirty tricks complaint, without success.

    I shall send her another tomorrow to batten down the hatches for this latest storm in a teacup.

  20. BrettW

    Uh oh, can Penny Wong and the ABC please comment on the picture online of Dan Andrews standing next to Tom Zhou who is mentioned in the ABC article. Andrews is smiling.

    Any politician attending a function in Chinatown and being photographed is highly likely going to be linked with somebody who is pro China.

    Somebody should try this game of guilt by association with Penny Wong.

  21. Sinclair Davidson
    #3153098, posted on September 11, 2019 at 3:05 pm

    bemused – let’s not over-react. Andrew is good on most things. But seems to have drunk the Clive Hamilton

    I used to be a strong supporter of Bolt, but over the years lost respect for him over his continual ‘turn the other cheek’ attitude to all the flagrant lies about him from the Left and then he started to become a somewhat Leftist appearing yellow/green on many subjects.

    I no longer watch any of his programs because I don’t really know what he stands for. The particular example you gave is exactly what I’m talking about. He’s experienced enough to know what answers he’ll get from a politician and to put her in such a position is disingenuous and foolish on his part.

  22. Gavin R Putland

    Sinclair Davidson @ #3153083:

    Backbencher with friends and relatives in communist country doesn’t want to offend aforementioned communist country’s authorities.

    If that’s not a conflict of interest, nothing is — especially not residual accidental UK/NZ/Canadian citizenship! Well may we sympathize with the person who faces that conflict through no fault of her own. But a conflict is a conflict.

  23. Sinclair Davidson

    But a conflict is a conflict

    Bullshit.

  24. What worries me most is Andrew Bolt’s self-focused, dumb-it-down myopia. But that’s nothing new.

  25. Behind Enemy Lines

    I’m perfectly happy to see communists and fellow travellers hounded out of public sector employment. Why let them wreck the country with taxpayer funds extracted by government force from people they hate and want to do down? Mind you, that’s not a thread that the ALP would be wise to start pulling. By the time we got done unravelling it all, there’d be an awful lot of maaaaates suddenly facing the prospect of finding an honest job for the first time in their lives.

    As for Liu, I’ll reserve judgement about the facts until more info’s available. But this sure looks like a nasty calculated hit job staged by people with form.

  26. Pyrmonter

    @ Sinc

    Andrew is good on most things.

    Is he? He’s a voice of the Labor Right, an ex staffer even. Has he ever taken a view contrary both to the conventional wisdom and his audience? I’ve always had a feeling that he and Henderson would have been quite happy in the world imagined by BA Santamaria: rather more ‘National Conservative’ than Liberal, and certainly not liberal.

  27. Mother Lode

    2 Gladyses in NSW!! Parents, you’re on notice about naming your kids.

    Indeed.

    The name Malcolm has not the best track record either.

    Thank heavens for Matthew Roberts.

  28. “This is a test for Scott Morrison. He needs to come into the Parliament, and make a statement and assure the Australian Parliament and through them the Australian people that Gladys Liu is fit and proper, a fit and proper person to be in the Australian Parliament.”

    That’s a question for her electorate, not the rest of Australia.
    Wong has been a parliamentarian long enough to know how our system works.

  29. C.L.

    This issue is getting a bit strange.
    I’ve already made reference here to the pass being given to Paul Keating.
    Why is the Liberal Party not fighting back on this?*
    ———————
    * I know. Stupid question.

  30. Sinclair Davidson

    Pyrmonter – Andrew is a conservative. I don’t always agree with him but I usually understand his argument and position. But every now and again he does something like this – but every time he quickly realises that he has given the left far too much credit.

  31. Every time I see Wong on TV, like I just did, I get this irresistible urge to throw something at the TV. Wong has to be one of the most distasteful characters to have ever stepped into Parliament.

  32. …but every time he quickly realises that he has given the left far too much credit.

    But never seems to learn.

  33. Iampeter

    Is he? He’s a voice of the Labor Right, an ex staffer even. Has he ever taken a view contrary both to the conventional wisdom and his audience? I’ve always had a feeling that he and Henderson would have been quite happy in the world imagined by BA Santamaria: rather more ‘National Conservative’ than Liberal, and certainly not liberal.

    To be fair, not even the Liberal party has a “Right” so to be part of the “Labor Right” is to be just plain ol’ left wing.

    But I get what you’re saying and I completely agree.

    Bolt just says what he thinks will get him the most views. He has no real principles, no real depth of knowledge and generally lands on the “nationalist conservative” – which just used to be called “Labor” – side of things.

    He’s basically just another empty suit. Like his mate, Tony Abbott. Flapping in the breeze.

    “Pyrmonter – Andrew is a conservative.”
    But being a conservative doesn’t mean anything other than “confused leftist.”
    It’s been this way for many decades but people still discuss politics like there are some kind of alternative views as opposed to just different degrees of leftism.

    It’s like the Overton window entirely shifted a generation ago but nobody noticed and keeps discussing politics completely detached from what’s actually happening.

    McCarthyism at its finest – are you now, or have you ever been, a member of the communist party?

    This is a cheap shot. McCarthy was going after communist spies and was vindicated after the fact.
    He was a hero and he was destroyed for it.

  34. The BigBlueCat

    Sinclair Davidson
    #3153171, posted on September 11, 2019 at 4:16 pm
    Pyrmonter – Andrew is a conservative. I don’t always agree with him but I usually understand his argument and position. But every now and again he does something like this – but every time he quickly realises that he has given the left far too much credit.

    I agree, Sinc. What has happened here is that a politician (albeit new) has given a politician’s answer to a question that either shouldn’t be put in so many words (Is Xi Jinping a dictator?) as to trap her in a “damned if you do and damned if you don’t” moment. She was never going to win, and she should not have gone on Bolt’s show (perhaps she thought he would be lenient because, you know, “conservative”).

    As others have said, a bit too much Bob Hawke’s office is still in Bolta, and it pops out from time-to-time.

    Time will tell if Gladys has anything real to be held accountable for. But just goes to show anyone thinking about entering politics needs to be squeaky clean – I mean actually clean and not just be able to talk their way around a “scandal”.

    I suspect Gladys is a long way off being a Dastyari – but if she’s not, then she needs to be held accountable for something she’s actually done, not for following her parliamentary colleagues by not poking a stick at Jinping by calling him a dictator (which of course he is, but name-calling is pretty childish, eh?).

  35. Sinclair Davidson

    McCarthy was going after communist spies and was vindicated after the fact.
    He was a hero and he was destroyed for it.

    I agree – there were actual communists in the State Department. But …

  36. jupes

    I am not aware of other members who have a documented history of holding senior positions in CCP influence and propaganda organisations.

    Any ALP members perhaps?

    You seem awfully cool with this Sinc. EVERY member who held positions in CCP propaganda organisations is a traitor. They all should be in jail.

  37. I_am_not_a_robot

    China is certain to become the major world power in the medium term as long as Xi’s internal policies don’t stifle future economic and social progress.
    Without evidence Hamilton assumes that Chinese Government, i.e. CPC, has intrinsically malevolent intentions everywhere including here, what’s he trying to do start another Cold War?
    ‘Realpolitik is politics or diplomacy based primarily on considerations of given circumstances and factors, rather than explicit ideological notions or moral and ethical premises …’ (Wiki).

  38. Twostix

    Only Australian born?

    Well, obviously

  39. Jock

    McCarthy was going after communist spies and was vindicated after the fact.
    He was a hero and he was destroyed for it.

    I agree – there were actual communists in the State Department. But …

    And there still are in both the swamp and in the Democrats.

  40. Jim Rose

    At worst, China is a tinpot dictatorship.

    Previous Chinese presidents could be described as strong men regimes but they were subject to 10 year term limits. The current Chinese president has apparently managed to remove that.

  41. a happy little debunker

    This is a deliberate tactic of the left to paint others as the villains in order to distract from their own malfeasances.

    The government gave them the room to run this line.

    Either the government was wanting an opportunity to clothesline an overly xenophobic opposition (which they still haven’t done) or they have dirty hands.

    It seems to me that the government is willing to sacrifice a pawn (but they haven’t had to, yet) to keep darker secrets at bay.

  42. Twostix

    What sort of person hops off a plane, asks permission to join a foreign and alien people’s nation then immediately determines they will seek power to rule over them.

    Weirdos who should definitionally be excluded from patliament. That’s who.

    Which means native born only.

  43. MACK

    “Andrew is good on most things. But seems to have drunk the Clive Hamilton – Mr democracy himself – kool aid on China.”
    I’m with Andrew in that Hamilton’s “Silent Invasion” book is actually pretty convincing. Silly question to ask Gladys though. I’ve seen her speak and she is quite articulate but cautious and diplomatic when it comes to China, which seems pretty sensible for someone in her position.

  44. Lee

    McCarthy was going after communist spies and was vindicated after the fact.
    He was a hero and he was destroyed for it.

    I agree – there were actual communists in the State Department. But …

    Unfortunately, McCarthy wasn’t able to – or allowed to – finish the job.

  45. Delcon

    What exactly constitutes “a fit and proper person to be in the Australian Parliament”?

    I’d start with, say, “not being a spy in the service of a hostile foreign power”.
    The “dictator” question was not a big deal either way. Her inability to plainly articulate that China’s claim to the South Sea, over which there are certainly military tensions between them and us, is unacceptable was sinister enough for me to say that she must fuck off from Aus politics, and the sooner the better. Her lying about not belonging to a Chicom organisation hardly makes things better, as far as I am concerned.

  46. W Hogg

    Is she actually accused of anything? Other than not actually wanting to create an international incident and cost us $billions of trade?

    Are they saying she took a bribe? Voted as directed? Attempted to harm Australian interests? What exactly is going on here?

  47. Twostix

    The thing about immigrants is we already know that they’re not exactly loyalists.

    It’s built in.

    Hardly the people who should be seeking sacred power in their current stop over’s parliament.

    This goes doubly for people who belong to the wealthy and influential classes in their own nation but moved to australia because their country suddenly turned shithouse.

    Very suspicious people.

  48. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    You mean, like Joh Bjelke-Petersen?

  49. The thing about immigrants is we already know that they’re not exactly loyalists.

    Where did that come from? Are you saying not loyal to Australia?

  50. notafan

    Gladdie has been here over 30 years

  51. Eddystone

    Twostix
    #3153221, posted on September 11, 2019 at 5:12 pm

    The thing about immigrants is we already know that they’re not exactly loyalists.

    Get lost Twostix.

    I’ve been here sixty years, been enslaved by the state worn the uniform and I’m still working, paying taxes and, hopefully, contributing.

    Some here have said Australia is not worth defending. I strongly disagree.

  52. Delcon

    What exactly is going on here?

    If you listened to Bolta’s interview, Liu is not some poor immigrant, trying to put the Communist past behind her and start a new life in a new country.
    Liu, apparently, though she tried to deceitfully minimise that in the interview, was very active in encouraging Australian public support to China. Refer to the interview for details.
    Her attempts to minimise and lie about her activism in favour of “better relationship with China”, and, importantly, her abject failure to plainly adopt Australia’s position over China’s position on the South China Sea dispute issue, is highly suspicious to say the least.

  53. Fisky

    The problem with the interview is not that Liu is Chinese, but that she was dissembling. She is obviously a member of a “front” organization, otherwise she would have denied it straight away. Which raises the question as to why. What is the purpose? Whose interests is she serving? Is she going to take a hard line on Huawei? Foreign spies? Or will she be a Dastyari style stooge? Good questions from Bolt and it looks like a fatal wound on career.

  54. egg_

    Liu’s yellow flight comments on The Drum did her no favours, but may have been preparing for Wong’s low ball.

  55. Fisky

    Without evidence Hamilton assumes that Chinese Government, i.e. CPC, has intrinsically malevolent intentions everywhere including here, what’s he trying to do start another Cold War?

    What do you mean without evidence? Are you following the events in HK? XJ? What about the totalitarian “social credit” system? What about the red guard wannabes being unleashed on mainland students in Australian universities (and the pressure/threats applied on their families back home), thugs openly impersonating police officers nearby pro-HK demonstrations? These are only the early stages and I’m not even talking about the economic sphere yet. It is absolutely ridiculous the lengths that Westerners will take to whitewash third world regimes.

  56. Fisky

    The good news is, the overseas student market is absolutely tanking in Australia, especially the PRC sources. This is the end of our two decades’ long degrees-for-visas racket, and the influence of the CCP and their apologists will dwindle with it.

  57. Perth Trader

    “Those Chinese fuckers are trying to rat-fuck! us,” declared Kevin Rudd…from the mouths of babes.
    .

  58. Dr Fred Lenin

    The way the Chinese fascist hovernment is behaving reminds me of that other fascist socialist Hitler and his fellow socialist Stalin , there must be handbook for socialist fascist opressors .

  59. Fisky

    Both Kimberly Kitching and James Patterson declined to call Xi Jinping a dictator, so I am wondering if they are traitors and subversives too?

    No, but if they were members of front organisations that aim to influence our government to adopt pro-PRC policies against our own interests (and there are many), then yes they would be traitors.

  60. Perth Trader

    In the 2016 Aust census there were 1.2 million chinese in Aust. My guess its over 1.5 mill. now. Rudd was right.

  61. Squirrel

    The ABC has gone absolutely bananas over this – just as they did a couple of weeks ago over the family removed from Biloela. They misread the public mood on that one, and I suspect they have done likewise with this – let’s just wait and see who wins Chisholm next time around.

  62. Roger

    Given the way our political leaders since at least John Howard have implemented the UN’s agenda on climate change Ms. Liu’s associations are small beer.

  63. hzhousewife

    let’s just wait and see who wins Chisholm next time around.

    Lets just wait and see who stands in Chisholm next time around.

    Credlin currently discussing how many Indians have emigrated – be interesting to watch how many of them get politically active soon.

  64. Mark M

    A deplorable she isn’t.

  65. I’m just waiting for this to backfire on Labor. Every, single, time that Labor has carried on about something like this, the skeleton falls out of their own closet soon enough. But they never learn.

  66. Roger

    China is certain to become the major world power in the medium term as long as Xi’s internal policies don’t stifle future economic and social progress.

    Their demography suggests this is by no means a foregone conclusion.

  67. I_am_not_a_robot

    A now for something completely different:

  68. Nob

    Robbo
    #3153100, posted on September 11, 2019 at 3:07 pm
    I’m very disappointed because I thought that Andrew Bolt was better than that. It looked to me that he set out to discredit Liu with some loaded questions. There appears to still be a fair bit of the Bob Hawke staffer left in him.

    Really?
    Hawke was good at shredding loaded questions.

  69. Tel

    Their demography suggests this is by no means a foregone conclusion.

    In a few hundred years, what’s left of the West will have a parade every year to thank Maurice Strong for saving the world by tricking the Chinese into their own destruction … just imagine that. Sadly he simultaneously tricked us into our own “climate science” destruction … competition to see which group of people can pull out of their self-imposed death spiral sooner.

    Go you glorious devious scumbag!

  70. Tel

    … there must be handbook for socialist fascist oppressors.

    I found this one informative and entertaining.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rStL7niR7gs

    Getting a touch off topic now.

  71. Old Lefty

    An anthropologist once explained the phenomenon in these terms: dirt is matter out of place, anweed is a plant out of place. Thus, a non-Anglo immigrant in the Liberal Party is an abomination. Aborigines who support the Liberal Party, mining or Christianity are an abomination. Women who are Christians and/or want to be stay at home married mothers are an abomination … etc. Etc.

  72. Arky

    under the very restricted franchise that operates in the PRC.

    ..
    Ha ha ha.

  73. Howard Hill

    Given the way our political leaders since at least John Howard have implemented the UN’s agenda on climate change Ms. Liu’s associations are small beer.

    +∞

  74. Chris M

    Yes Bolt was rude but if she was Australian and loved this country the answers would have been straightforward. Sure she may have been scared of reprisal but if so that alone makes her unsuitable for the role. Sick of this duel nationality trash.

    Dump her and whoever put her up.

  75. a happy little debunker

    Julia Banks now spreading her own particular brand of loyalty at the ABC

    It is actually really quite pathetic!

  76. Fisky

    Sure she may have been scared of reprisal but if so that alone makes her unsuitable for the role.

    This point should hardly need stating, but there’s so many beep-booping autists around that don’t seem to grasp the basics. No, you do NOT install people who are compromised in positions of authority.

  77. Tel

    No, you do NOT install people who are compromised in positions of authority.

    Fine! So who does that leave?

  78. twostix

    This is the end of our two decades’ long degrees-for-visas racket, and the influence of the CCP and their apologists will dwindle with it.

    It’s not enough for decent normal australians (and Canadians and Americans – for they suffer the same burden) to wait and hope for this to exhaust itself.

    The architects of this situation need to be arrested. The administrators who turned our universities into cheap visa-mills for money and profit, and the academics who provided them with the cover to do so through their hand over mouth “arguments” for “liberty” which they use to advance their barely disguised nation state smashing open borders extremist ideology.

    This was all done on purpose.

  79. mh

    Iampeter posted this

    This is a cheap shot. McCarthy was going after communist spies and was vindicated after the fact.
    He was a hero and he was destroyed for it.

    That’s weird. That’s what I believe. 🤔

  80. twostix

    Get lost Twostix.

    I’ve been here sixty years, been enslaved by the state worn the uniform and I’m still working, paying taxes and, hopefully, contributing.

    You moved out here and got a job.

    So do backpackers and Indian nationals.

    None of that has anything what-so-ever to do with nationality.

  81. HP

    Labor trying to cast as “not fit and proper to sit in parliament” an immigrant woman because she’s a commie-puppet.

    Ironic…

    Bolt is a private sector journo and should go after this. I don’t see the problem here at all. Any shrieking about McCarthyism in this context just reeks of a personal animus against Bolt.

    Liu is a Member of Parliament. She’s an adult. She’s supposed to know what she’s doing. If she does not, she’s got people around her she can ask. Liu was not ambushed with questions on the street. Instead, she was invited, and agreed, to do a high profile interview to address questions raised earlier. Clearly, the topic of the interview was not a surprise.

    And yet ….. it did not go so well, it seems. 🙂

    What is offensive is Liu’s incompetence (or worse) and Labor’s hypocrisy.

    If Liu cannot credibly put this behind her, I’d say she does not clearly pass the test that section 44-i of the constitution was intended to be. In that case, she needs to leave parliament and there should be a by-election.

    Bolt does not offend me because he asks questions. He is only mildly annoying when he’s too eager to show “he fights for a principle and not a side”. When he goes into that mode, he comes over the top like an ogre attacking his own side for the sole purpose of showing that he’s better then those on the left. The smug self-righteousness can be a little hard to take.

  82. Old Lefty

    The ABC’s role in all of this is not as strange as it first seems. If you think back to the Cold War, thrbpost-Ashbolt ABC was always impeccably Moscow-line after the Sino-Soviet split. The Soviet Union may be dead, but the Ultimo worker Soviet still clings doggedly to the Brezhnev view of the world – political n3croph1lia? – dressed up with the 1960s s3xual revolution.

  83. Up The Workers!

    Last time I looked, the Australian electorate was still in the dark over whether Italy’s AnAl the Brothel-Hopper from the Marrickville Rub-and-Tuggery is a “fit and proper ” person to be in Parliament.

    We already know about Bonking Billy, Juliar, Krudd, Keating and Goof Witless – and there was no suggestion that any of them were foreigners.

    Just because your Party is too dumb to count to 44 doesn’t excuse you from having to comply with the provisions of Section 44.

  84. Up The Workers!

    With all of Labor’s hypocritical huffing and puffing over this Ms Liu of the Liberal Party and her alleged Chinese affinity, I wonder when the same righteous, proud Australians in the Australian LIARS Party will be demanding that the Unroadworthy Bob Carr’s numerous Australian taxpayer-funded Parliamentary pensions, superannuations, lurks, perks, schemes and scams be terminated for exactly the same reason?

  85. iggie

    Lee Rhiannon – was she a fit and proper person for parliament?
    Well, she’s white and a Green.

  86. rickw

    But a conflict is a conflict

    Bullshit.

    Academic dead wrong as usual.

  87. Iampeter

    Are you following the events in HK? XJ? What about the totalitarian “social credit” system? What about the red guard wannabes being unleashed on mainland students in Australian universities (and the pressure/threats applied on their families back home), thugs openly impersonating police officers nearby pro-HK demonstrations? These are only the early stages and I’m not even talking about the economic sphere yet. It is absolutely ridiculous the lengths that Westerners will take to whitewash third world regimes.

    Not sure what you’re issue with any of this is, Fisky. They are just doing what you’ve always advocated.
    Remember? You’ve clearly said that you believe politics is about doing whatever your group requires, by any means necessary, poeple’s rights be damned. Well, that’s all authoritarian and left wing regimes ever do. You must love the CCP. You’re their biggest supporter!

  88. RomeoWhiskey

    I think some of you are being a bit harsh on Bolta –

    Liu had four strikes –

    1. Denied being a member of a Chinese backed mouthpiece (which she has now admitted to)
    2. Refused to condemn the South China Seas “reclamation”
    3. Refused to call Xi a Dictator (and I agree its politically unwise to do so)
    4. Denied making remarks at a Chinese Function before admitting to doing so.

    One point in isolation is a pass, but all four together definitely makes this a fair interview. Liu may have had very valid reasons for the answers she gave, but i think it’s a fair story.

    At the very least she should have been much more prepared for the questions – given that her past had been previously questioned.

  89. nfw

    Or Welsh born. Don’t forget it was never established (or indeed asked) if the worst Australian PM ever had renounced her British citizenship. But the answer probably would have meant all the legislation passed while she was PM depending upon the single deciding vote of Peter look-at-me-in-my robes Slipper would have been voided. No politician wanted that little problem, did he/she?

  90. Fred

    The Liberals are now taking a leaf out of the left’s playbook – claiming that questioning her loyalty is ‘offensive’.

    The Liberals first loyalty should be to Australia, traitors like Gladys Liu should be booted out of the party forthwith.

  91. Tough one for Cats, this. On one hand, diehard partisan allegiance and reflexive distrust of any criticism whatsoever of right-wing politicians. On the other, rampant racism and communist hysteria. Ultimately, I think, partisanship wins.

  92. Fisky

    On the other, rampant racism and communist hysteria.

    Oh dear. Straight out of the CCP playbook. At least Sam Dastaryi got paid for his treason. M0nty does this for free lol

  93. Fisky

    The indispensable Macrobusiness sums it all up –

    Most important is this. One of either Australia’s mass immigration economic model or its democracy is collapsing before our eyes. I still think that our democratic institutions will eventually prevail. But it is not a sure thing. There are already two CCP seats in the Australian parliament and their power is on display for all to see. A few more years of Chinese inflows, a few more seats, and Beijing owns the joint. Prudent risk management suggests that you should get a dual passport if you can.

    https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2019/09/china-sunders-the-australian-parliament/

  94. At least Sam Dastaryi got paid for his treason.

    The Libs looked at the Dastyari example and thought they would cut out the middleman by just preselecting a member of a communist propaganda unit. Efficiency!

  95. Fisky

    More –

    So, what’s the wash up? A few points stand out:

    Scott Morrison is about to be feted at a White House dinner. What is Donald Trump going to say and do? Threaten to cut Five Eyes access?

    Liu has to go. But everybody is clearly paranoid that when/if she does the following by-election will drive a wedge so deep into the China fracture that it will become a gulf. Good, we need just such a major national break to excoriate these links.

    If ScoMo doesn’t cut Liu then this melt down will irradiate his entire government. Liu may look vulnerable but she is actually in a position of immense power, as the LNP’s scramble to protect her shows. CCP influence could literally now be pulling ScoMo’s strings.

    I doubt Trump will cut 5-Eyes because the CCP’s influence has probably not (yet) penetrated the executive and our intelligence agencies, at least at a human level. But party organisations (both LNP and Labor) have slowly come into the CCP’s orbit, through a mixture of $$$ donations, branch-stacking and candidate preselections. Which is far more influence than the CCP deserves to have (see: HK, XJ, etc, etc).

  96. Infidel Tiger

    LNP and ALP know they can’t win elections without Chink vote.

    Both are shitting themselves.

  97. liliana

    Sinophobia

    No – quite rational. You would have to be living under a rock, or have your snout in the CCP trough (or want to have) not to see what’s going on.

  98. notafan

    The Libs looked at the Dastyari example and thought they would cut out the middleman by just preselecting a member of a communist propaganda unit. Efficiency!

    Jennifer Yang

    Monty

    thoughts?

  99. egg_

    Sinophobia

    One* belt-up, one road.
    Comrade.

    *One?
    Good ol’ Central Planning Marxism?

  100. egg_

    The Libs looked at the Dastyari example and thought they would cut out the middleman by just preselecting a member of a communist propaganda unit. Efficiency!

    Being fingered by Lu Kewen’s understudy, Pwong?
    How ironic.

  101. egg_

    Their dormant Rakemeister just got an Aldi bag-o-cash to rejoin the troll roster?

  102. Dr Fred Lenin

    All this fuss about disloyal immigrants what about the disloyal native born ?. The globalites ,the turnbullists, the Aldi bag mob , the left wing “conservatives “, the soros owned traitors ? The western world is full of disloyal polliemaggots operatting on the stuff you Jack system . Politics needs a strong aperient to flush the crap from the bowels of politics nothing like a good cleanout now and then .
    Looks like the UK will get one when the voters punish the European Onion fascists ,flush them down the Thames with the rest of the sewwage , they might need treatment first so they dont infect the marine life .

  103. Terry

    liliana
    #3153852, posted on September 12, 2019 at 12:43 pm
    “not to see what’s going on.”

    No, no. What’s going on is plainly obvious.

    It’s just that the turnover from a conveyor belt of foreign-students demands that because one’s deliberately blinded eyes lack vision, that there really must be nothing to see here.

  104. Terry

    Dr Fred Lenin
    #3153884, posted on September 12, 2019 at 1:12 pm
    All this fuss about disloyal immigrants what about the disloyal native born ?

    Relax Doc. We got plenty of pikes.

  105. liliana

    No, no. What’s going on is plainly obvious.
    It’s just that the turnover from a conveyor belt of foreign-students demands that because one’s deliberately blinded eyes lack vision, that there really must be nothing to see here.

    No idea what you are saying – sorry.

  106. Twostix

    M0nty identifies with anyone else – up to chinese loyalists in the liberal party over australians because he’s a ginger minger.

    Like libertarian autists he’s never fit in, and he wants to change that by making it so nobody fits in… and punish normal people in the process.

  107. Craig Mc

    PRC infiltration is very likely a bipartisan problem. We gave Fitzgibbon and Dastyari richly deserved crap for their picadillos, why pretend it can’t happen to the Libs?

  108. Iampeter

    Fisky and Infidel Tiger are really cracking the case on this one.

    Everyone stay tuned to this thread for more deep political insights from these two aficionados!

    XD

  109. Chris M

    traitors like Gladys Liu should be booted out of the party forthwith.

    Yes indeed. Of what benefit is she to Australians in public office? In the not-so-old days the rope would be used for the traitorous types, however what to do when there are no local rope manufacturers left; might have to settle for tar and feathers? The Brits need to kick this movement off…

  110. Behind Enemy Lines

    Behind Enemy Lines
    #3153147, posted on September 11, 2019 at 3:48 pm
    I’m perfectly happy to see communists and fellow travellers hounded out of public sector employment. . . . As for Liu, I’ll reserve judgement about the facts until more info’s available.

    Well! The more I learn about this, the worse she looks. Especially if the claims about ASIO warnings are true and credible.

    We have some very unenviable challenges ahead, thanks to the feckless friends of China in Australia’s political class and corporatocracy. This isn’t a problem that’s going to go away by itself, or get better with time.

    If we keep on at the same rate as the last twenty years, imagine what this country’s going to look like in another twenty years.

  111. Pyrmonter

    I suspect this thread is almost dead, but …

    While I generally agree with Sinc’s comments, I do think Morrison may have mis-stepped in resorting to the sort of identity politics the left normally play. This whole affair may yet have a way to go; he’ll look foolish if it turns out Liu has more serious issues.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-09-12/scott-morrison-defends-liberal-gladys-liu/11504902?section=politics

  112. John64

    Their Andrew Blot has just given the Doomlord a massive spray for this blog post.

    How Two Professors Spin for Liu

  113. Jim Rose:

    At worst, China is a tinpot dictatorship.
    Previous Chinese presidents could be described as strong men regimes but they were subject to 10 year term limits. The current Chinese president has apparently managed to remove that.

    China is run by the Triads.

  114. RobK

    Winston,
    Are you nailing your political colours to the mast with your gravitar?

  115. Robk:
    My political colours have been nailed to the mast for so long now that the colours have faded more than the US flag left on the Moon.
    Actually, The DoomLord, kindly asked me to change it as it was causing him some strife, and I’ve done so.
    Honestly, I’m mortified to have been so naive as to think it would be seen as OK.

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