Open Forum: September 14, 2019

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  1. Cassie of Sydney

    Who did Doomlord smite?

  2. John Constantine

    Dashcams, pointing at the driver, are on their list for all prole vehicles.

    Driving your own car when and where you want is too good for the proles.

    The drivers featured in the campaign were fully aware of the dashcams in their own vehicles but that didn’t stop them from checking their phones while driving.

    “The people in this campaign should be congratulated for their honesty and willingness to be part of it, but the footage highlights how so many drivers out there take their eyes off the road to use their phone,” Mr Bailey said.

    “In 2018, 33 people lost their lives in crashes because of distracted driving and 1,358 people were hospitalised.

    “Thirty-three per cent more people died in 2018 as the result of distracted driving compared to the previous five-year average, and 21% more people were hospitalised compared to 2017.

    “This problem is much larger than what is reported because the number of crashes caused by mobile phone use can be difficult to verify.”

    The ‘Leave your phone alone’ campaign comes on the back of the Palaszczuk Government’s announcement that it was looking at $1000 fines and automatic licence suspensions for repeat offenders caught on their phone behind the whe

  3. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Who did Doomlord smite?

    Numbers?

  4. Snoopy

    I can be ethical at a pinch. What is the future of the £?

  5. stackja

    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
    #3157035, posted on September 16, 2019 at 6:41 pm
    Who did Doomlord smite?

    Numbers?

    Suspected Bird.

  6. Cold-Hands

    Who did Doomlord smite?

    A Bird sockpuppet… Palooka?

  7. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Suspected Bird.

    Poor attempt at humour on my part, sorry.

  8. egg_

    Three way contest?

    A. UN-EU Globalists – Immigration Ponzi Scheme + Carbon Taxes
    B. Chicoms – OBOR
    C. Trump’s US – none of the above, trade war with the Chicoms

    Seems we’re aligning with both A & B, but are better off with B or C.

  9. mh

    Has Corn Pop been identified yet?

  10. Roger

    Banning vaping products…

    Outsourcing US foreign policy to Saudi Arabia…

    Donald appears to be losing his mojo.

    He needs our intercessions, good people.

  11. egg_

    What do you call an exit from the Globalists – Glexit?

  12. Speedbox

    Australian intelligence determined China was responsible for a cyber-attack on its national parliament and three largest political parties before the general election in May……

    In response to questions posed by Reuters, Prime Minister Scott Morrison’s office declined to comment on the attack, the report’s findings or whether Australia had privately raised the hack with China.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-australia-china-cyber-exclusive/exclusive-australia-concluded-china-was-behind-hack-on-parliament-political-parties-sources-idUSKBN1W00VF

    Don’t say anything to upset the Chinese. Comrades.

  13. egg_

    Can we borrow money from OBOR to sort out the Murray Darling irrigation scheme?

  14. stackja

    mh
    #3157041, posted on September 16, 2019 at 6:45 pm
    Has Corn Pop been identified yet?

    William Morris: ‘Corn Pop’ in Biden’s Story Was Real
    Heavy.com-4 hours ago
    An old – and fairly bizarre – story that Joe Biden told at a public event about a showdown with a razor-wielding gang member named “Corn …

  15. John Constantine

    It looked like their Ying-Yen Wong deliberately turned her back on Senator Roberts in the senate chamber, as he pleaded for a pause in the devastation ex-water minister Ying-Yen Wong wreaked out in the irrigation communities she loathed and hated.

    Labor putting wong in the position to economic genocide the irrigation districts of the colonialist settler australia she has dedicated her life to overthrowing was like putting Bomber Harris in charge of the future of Dresden.

  16. Speedbox

    Pakistani Prime Minister Imran Khan warned of “consequences” if nuclear-armed Pakistan ends up losing a conventional war to its nuclear-armed rival and neighbor India.

    Asked in an Al Jazeera interview to set the record straight on whether Pakistan would hit India with nuclear weapons in case of a large-scale conflict, Khan began with the disclaimer that he would never be the one to attack.

    “Pakistan would never start a war, and I am clear: I am a pacifist. I am anti-war,” he said.

    However, the prime minister quickly added that when two nuclear-armed states “fight a conventional war, there is every possibility that it is going to end up into nuclear war.” And while he described it as “unthinkable,” his next hint sent a clear message about what Pakistan may do if it’s losing a conventional war against India.

    “If say Pakistan, God forbid, we are fighting a conventional war, we are losing, and if a country is stuck between the choice: either you surrender or you fight ‘til death for your freedom – I know Pakistanis will fight to death for their freedom.”

    Khan has repeatedly warned in recent weeks that the standoff between India and Pakistan over disputed Kashmir risks spiraling into a nuclear conflict unless foreign powers intervene, along with the UN. There has also been some confusion in the media about Pakistan’s nuclear strategy.

    Earlier this month, Khan vowed not to use nuclear weapons first against India. His spokesperson later said that his words were “taken out of context,” and there is “no change” in Pakistan’s nuclear stance – which reportedly does not rule out a first strike against overwhelming conventional force.

    There has also been some confusion in the media about Pakistan’s nuclear strategy. What? There may have been some confusion in the media but that would have been the only place. Everybody else knows that Pakistan (and India) will resort to nuclear weapons as a last resort in the face of overwhelming invasion/defeat.

  17. Rex Mango

    egg_
    #3157027, posted on September 16, 2019 at 6:29 pm
    Jane Gilmore “Fixed It” on Teh Dumb – “the most dangerous place on a Saturday night for a woman is with her male partner”.

    With her Les partner, statistically?

    If lesbeneathans suffer from more violence than hetro women, this demolishes the DV meme that the govt trots out so regularly.

  18. Speedbox

    A transgender advocacy NGO has told teachers that puberty blockers are harmless and should be given to children as young as 12 in a “model” training session for UK schools. Scholars and medics warn such advice is “disturbing.”

    Administering puberty blockers to children questioning their gender identity as early as the age of 12 is beneficial for them as such treatment is “completely reversible” and gives them “immense relief,” a trainer with the transgender lobby group Mermaids told a gathering of some 20 teachers and pastoral support workers at the Newman University in Birmingham.

    “Puberty blocker medication doesn’t make any changes,” the trainer argued, explaining that it simply puts “a pause button on the pituitary gland and freezes puberty where it is” and the biological processes “will recommence” as soon as the treatment is stopped.

    ….. doctors warned that treatment starting with puberty blockers and often ending up with gender-reassignment surgeries has horrifying side effects, including “surgical complications, thromboembolic and cardiovascular disease, osteoporosis, malignancy, and persistently elevated rates of suicide.”

    The American College of Pediatricians (ACP) noted that healthcare professionals are “increasingly prohibited from investigating psychosocial factors” forcing children and adolescents to question their gender identity.

    Meanwhile, links between gender identity issues and autism have been repeatedly invoked in the past. In 2017, a London clinic for transgender children reported that a third of their patients had “moderate or severe autistic traits.” Yet, instead of paying more attention to the psychological side of the issue, many schools still apparently opt for going ahead with gender affirming actions.

  19. Snoopy

    Leveraging her success at managing water Ying-yen graduated to managing the nation’s finances.

    Unfortunately.

  20. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    ‘We have one go at this’: Aboriginal Victorians urged to vote in first people’s poll

    Rachel Baxendale
    VICTORIAN POLITICAL REPORTER
    @rachelbaxendale
    An hour ago September 16, 2019
    2 Comments

    Victorian Treaty Advancement Commissioner Jill Gallagher has told her fellow Aboriginal Victorians they have a “responsibility” to enrol to vote and see where the treaty process can take them, as polls open for the state’s First People’s Assembly.

    The Australian-first election runs for five weeks from September 16 until October 20, and Aboriginal Victorians can enrol at any point during that time.

    So far just 2000 people have enrolled of an eligible 30,000, since enrolments opened in June.

    “I’m encouraging people to participate. We as Aboriginal people have one go at this,” Ms Gallagher said.

    “This is the first time we’ve ever had a government that has taken treaty seriously and put it on the agenda, and it is our responsibility as Aboriginal people to see where it can take us.

    “We can’t just walk away from a willing government.”

    More than 75 Aboriginal leaders who have been verified as Victorian traditional owners have nominated to fill 21 seats in the 32-member assembly.

    The other 11 seats will be filled by representatives from formally recognised traditional owner groups.

    To be eligible to vote, people must self-identify as indigenous, be aged 16 or over, and must have lived in Victoria for three of the last five years if they are not descended from indigenous Victorians.

    Once elected, the assembly will hold its inaugural meeting in December and take over the process of negotiating a treaty between Victorian traditional owners and the state government.

    Ms Gallagher downplayed the low enrolment numbers, saying voting was not compulsory.

    “You’ve also got to remember the demographics of our communities, the over-representation in the justice system, the over-representation of our people in the mental health system, the over-representation of our people in drug and alcohol programs, homelessness, unemployment, the entrenched poverty,” she said.

    “That’s what we’re dealing with. So to get over 2000 enrollees and climbing, I think it’s a pretty good effort.”

    Wotjobaluk Elder Kevin Coombs from the Wimmera-Mallee in Western Victoria said he had never imagined treaty negotiations would be possible in his lifetime.

    The 78-year-old five-time Paralympian said that when he’d first represented Australia in wheelchair basketball in the 1960s, he had to travel on an honorary British passport because as an indigenous man, he wasn’t eligible for Australian citizenship.

    From the Oz. “Self identify as indigenous.” Should be a good old dogfight over this one.

  21. stackja

    mh
    #3157050, posted on September 16, 2019 at 6:59 pm

    CNN fact checking.

  22. Tel

    “Most governments in that region are no better than terrorists.” Iran’s reputation for terrorism is either manufactured or wholly overblown. They may be very nasty to their women. They sometimes have been seen in front of a well-placed camera jumping up and down and chanting weird stuff. Thats about it.

    Iran’s support for terrorism has been material assistance for various groups who then go and do things that might be considered terrorism (huh, this sounds familiar). For example, Iran paid money to support a Hamas suicide bombing in Jerusalem (1997) … they didn’t actually do the bombing, nor did they fully control the Hamas operatives … but they did provide some support. Seems that Iran has seen the error of doing this and there’s no recent cases, but at the same time they never openly admit guilt, nor offer compensation.

    See also here … https://harvardlawreview.org/2016/12/rubin-v-islamic-republic-of-iran/

    There are some other things Iran does that piss off various Western nations … they build a range of missiles and things a bit like UAV’s or perhaps mini cruise missiles such as the Ababil-T … then some years later the Houthi’s turn up with these “Qassef 1” missiles that look incredibly similar. The logical conclusion is that Iran is supplying them somehow, possibly as break-down kits or parts. These have been used against Saudi Arabian targets (both military targets and civilian/industrial targets). You can understand that the Houthi are in a rather asymmetric position so they resort to dirty hit-and-run harassment tactics which seem to be successful. Putting weapons in the hands of desperate people … is that freedom-fighting or terrorism? You tell me.

    Then there are weapons supplied to Hezbollah who have access to a lot of Soviet-made Katyusha rockets which could be from many suppliers but supposedly are from Iran. We know that Iran had them during the Iran/Iraq War and these type of rockets are not so effective in modern warfare so not implausible to think they are now trickling down to the irregular militias. Many were used as artillery during the 2006 Lebanon War, and occasionally they get launched just willy-nilly into Israel. They don’t hit much.

    More significant were that Hezbollah have a motley collection of Soviet made Anti-Tank Missiles and these are accurate and lethal. Things like the laser guided Kornet for example. These came from various places, probably more from Syria than Iran. These were highly effective during the 2006 war.

    Hezbollah have used their weapons in both defensive capacity (not terrorism in my book) against invading tanks, and also they seem to launch rockets against civilian targets with occasional kills but not in a way that could be considered military strategy. This sort of thing would count as terrorism. Pointless terrorism really, since they are only hardening the resolve of Israel.

    Some people … you know the only thing they understand is force … maybe there’s a better way to settle this?!?

  23. Geriatric Mayfly

    A transgender advocacy NGO has told teachers that puberty blockers are harmless and should be given to children as young as 12 in a “model” training session for UK schools. Scholars and medics warn such advice is “disturbing.”

    Is that the strongest language these medical mice can come up with? It’s about time these gender freaks were taken to 15 rounds and left both mute and impotent.

  24. stackja

    Geriatric Mayfly
    #3157057, posted on September 16, 2019 at 7:12 pm

    https://www.binary.org.au/news

  25. Roger

    Victorian Treaty Advancement Commissioner Jill Gallagher has told her fellow Aboriginal Victorians they have a “responsibility” to enrol to vote and see where the treaty process can take them, as polls open for the state’s First People’s Assembly.

    If, without precedent, a state can enter into a treaty with its own citizens, there is no end to the number of treaties that will have to be negotiated with various aggrieved parties “going forward”.

  26. John Constantine

    DRO droneshield had a 25% run today on the Saudi oil bombing.

    I am not trading this, and suspect that the drone market will be pushed out of the hands of the proles by high priced training and accreditation to become a drone pilot, then a few grand a year for the pilot licence.

    Drones are too good for the proles.

  27. max

    F**king hell. The Clintons got to Corn Pop back in 2016.

  28. Tel

    “Thirty-three per cent more people died in 2018 as the result of distracted driving compared to the previous five-year average, and 21% more people were hospitalised compared to 2017.

    “This problem is much larger than what is reported because the number of crashes caused by mobile phone use can be difficult to verify.”

    Or it could equally likely be much SMALLER than what is reported … because as you know crashes caused by mobile phone use can be difficult to verify.

  29. Rex Mango

    Mate of mine rolled his car when attempting to change cassette tapes on a winding country road in early 90s. Never understood why it’s illegal to operate a mobile and drive.

  30. Tel

    … the footage highlights how so many drivers out there take their eyes off the road to use their phone …

    Often I take my eyes off the road to check my speedo because for no particular reason the government thinks that driving very precisely at a speed they have arbitrarily chosen is the most important thing in the world.

    Then there’s the time I take my eyes off the road because of some massive flashing LED billboard, where the State government has managed to self-justify taking payments from advertisers to build these monstrosities right into key positions on major roads.

    And the time I need to take my eyes off the road to carefully scan through the bushes and spot the stop sign, or changed speed limit they have cleverly hidden off to one side under a tree. Yeah, isn’t that interesting, they can always find a plumb position for the advertising, but when it comes to the important signage … ahhh … somewhat less important apparently.

  31. Speedbox

    Ms Gallagher downplayed the low enrolment numbers, saying voting was not compulsory.

    “You’ve also got to remember the demographics of our communities, the over-representation in the justice system, the over-representation of our people in the mental health system, the over-representation of our people in drug and alcohol programs, homelessness, unemployment, the entrenched poverty,” she said.

    “That’s what we’re dealing with. So to get over 2000 enrolees and climbing, I think it’s a pretty good effort.”

    Ok, so allowing for all those who are otherwise engaged (jail etc) and unable/unwilling or unaware (mental issues and maybe drunk/drugged) to vote, then add all those who ‘self-identify’ as Aboriginal plus those who think the cause needs a kick-along and can enrol at any time up to polls closing, the eventual turnout will be …..what? 25,000? Then, the organisers can claim the result represents the will of better than 80% of Victorian Aboriginals.

    This is going to be a huge shitfight. Pass the popcorn.

  32. Cassie of Sydney

    Greg Sheridan is an absolute fuckwit.

  33. Zatara

    “That’s what we’re dealing with. So to get over 2000 enrolees and climbing, I think it’s a pretty good effort.”

    I bet you can find them pretty quickly when there is money to be handed out. Maybe you should try that.

  34. John Constantine

    The First Peoples Assembly low enrolement is a concern because obviously the deep left activists will branchstack this with their own voters, dead or alive.

    The non-left will never fight dirty enough to run a covert ambush branch stacking of the First Peoples Parliment with people that aren’t godless commos.

    Why not a church based voter recruitment program, to get at least a squeak of non-activists heard in the assembly?.

  35. Rex Mango

    Am thinking the First People’s Assembly will claim precedence over all other Victorians, because they were there first. This concept of rights based upon birth is something out of Game of Thrones.

  36. Muddy

    So who got smoted then?

    IamGrigory?

  37. Rex Mango

    Dan Andrews has presided over the most ‘progressive’ parliament in Australia, bringing in youthinasia and safe schools, along with locking up Pell, yet Dan claims to be Catholic. He must go to the same church as Louise Milligan.

  38. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Wotjobaluk Elder Kevin Coombs from the Wimmera-Mallee in Western Victoria said he had never imagined treaty negotiations would be possible in his lifetime.

    The 78-year-old five-time Paralympian said that when he’d first represented Australia in wheelchair basketball in the 1960s, he had to travel on an honorary British passport because as an indigenous man, he wasn’t eligible for Australian citizenship.

    His WWI veteran grandfather and WWII veteran uncle were in the same situation when they travelled abroad to defend their nation on the battlefield.

    That’s an old myth, debunked a long time ago. F.M.S.

  39. egg_

    Allan Hills 84001

    Hypothetical biogenic features

    Electron microscopy revealed chain structures resembling living organisms in meteorite fragment ALH84001
    On August 6, 1996, a team of researchers led by NASA scientists including lead author David S. McKay published an article in Science claiming that the meteorite may contain trace evidence of life from Mars.

  40. Cohenite:
    The crops are dying through lack of water – not emotional support case workers!
    Even the Nationals can’t get off their arses and actually release the water!

  41. Rex Mango

    Seems only way to be Catholic and a success in Australian public life nowadays, is to attack the church yourself.

  42. egg_

    yet Dan claims to be Catholic.

    Their woke new Quasimodo.

  43. Tel

    The 78-year-old five-time Paralympian said that when he’d first represented Australia in wheelchair basketball in the 1960s, he had to travel on an honorary British passport because as an indigenous man, he wasn’t eligible for Australian citizenship.

    That’s silly … all Australian citizens traveled on British passports and reported their nationality as British in the 1960’s.

    http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/fact-sheets/fs187.aspx

    Throughout the 1960s, Australian citizens were still required to declare their nationality as British. The term ‘Australian nationality’ had no official recognition or meaning until the Act was amended in 1969 and renamed the Citizenship Act. This followed a growing sense of Australian nationalism and the declining importance for Australians of the British Empire. In 1973 the Act was renamed the Australian Citizenship Act. It was not until 1984 that Australian citizens ceased to be British subjects.

    Up until 1967 Australia issued passports with the words “British Passport” on the front.

  44. Tintarella di Luna

    Greg Sheridan is an absolute fuckwit.

    Cassie the Sunbather and I agree

  45. cohenite

    Cassie of Sydney

    #3157067, posted on September 16, 2019 at 7:30 pm

    Greg Sheridan is an absolute fuckwit.

    It depends: I recall he said something sensible about 6 months ago; I forget what it was. So on most subjects yes that is true but as a stand alone fuckwit I would put him at about 92%; compared to the other media fuckwits he’s about average.

  46. Tel

    Am thinking the First People’s Assembly will claim precedence over all other Victorians, because they were there first. This concept of rights based upon birth is something out of Game of Thrones.

    The name for it is, “Blood and Soil”.

  47. Rex Mango

    Now that the concept of First Peoples is enshrined in law, is it ok to start wearing ‘I grew here, you flew here’ T-shirts?

  48. Goanna


    None
    #3156910, posted on September 16, 2019 at 3:44 pm
    Light on the hill is s meant to indicate Australia should be an exemplar. Personally I prefer Israel as a light to all nations.



    Plot a graph with suicide rate on one axis and fertility on the other.
    Israel loves life the most.

    https://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2009/09/israel-in-the-year

  49. C.L.

    Greg Sheridan is an absolute fuckwit.

    What’s he done now?

  50. Speedbox:

    There has also been some confusion in the media about Pakistan’s nuclear strategy. What? There may have been some confusion in the media but that would have been the only place. Everybody else knows that Pakistan (and India) will resort to nuclear weapons as a last resort in the face of overwhelming invasion/defeat.

    Nuclear weapons will be first resort under those circumstances.
    If you realise that a nuclear strike will occur if you are winning, why not go nuclear in a first strike?
    At least there is the chance you will get the enemies nukes in their silos/bunkers/launchers.

  51. Johno

    I thought that we all became Australian Citizens in 1949.

  52. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘The 78-year-old five-time Paralympian said’

    I bet that’s what he said.

    There’s coin in it for him.

  53. Rex Mango

    Thing is no-one knows who controls the Pakistan nukes. They are like the crazy guy in the pub waving a glass around.

  54. Knuckle Dragger

    Palooka.

    Thank God you’re back.

    I’m not sure you’ve realised it, but the fatwa is over. You have a country to save.

  55. Rex Mango

    7.30 Report has an English Mastiff that weighs 127kg on it. That is a big dog.

  56. Knuckle Dragger

    The only cure for that guy, Rex, is the fat end of a pool cue at full speed into the base of the skull.

    Front or back. Doesn’t matter.

  57. Rex Mango

    They take the dog to school and the kids read stories to it in a judgment free environment. The dog just looks at them.

  58. egg_

    Collateral on Go! tonight – Tom plays a decent baddie.

  59. Rex Mango

    So called Story Dogs at the Opera House tomorrow.

  60. mh

    I wonder if Biden meant Cop Porn?

  61. Speedbox

    John Constantine
    #3157061, posted on September 16, 2019 at 7:18 pm

    …..and suspect that the drone market will be pushed out of the hands of the proles by high priced training and accreditation to become a drone pilot, then a few grand a year for the pilot licence.

    Beyond doubt. The FAA is already looking at a licencing system and this will likely become law in a couple of years. About 18 months ago, DJI, the world’s leader in civilian drones and aerial imaging technology, unveiled AeroScope which can be used to identify and monitor airborne drones.

    At the time, Brendan Schulman, DJI’s Vice President for Policy and Legal Affairs said: “As drones have become an everyday tool for professional and personal use, authorities want to be sure they can identify who is flying near sensitive locations or in ways that raise serious concerns.”

    DJI demonstrated the system in Brussels showing how an AeroScope receiver can immediately sense a drone as it powers on, then plot its location on a map while displaying a registration number. That number functions as the equivalent of a drone license plate, and authorities can use it to determine the registered owner of a drone.

    There are still many other drones that don’t use a similar system but if you want one that is tracking free, I’d buy it in the next 12 months – beyond that there is a distinct possibility of being caught in the net with licencing, compliance and assorted fees all being mandatory.

  62. C.L.

    7.30 Report has an English Mastiff that weighs 127kg …

    Yes, but she’s more bearable than Kerry O’Brien.

  63. egg_

    Greg Sheridan is an absolute fuckwit.

    He’s like a stopped clock – right twice a day.

  64. C.L.

    Cruise in Collateral proves beyond all doubt that – loony or not – he is an exceptional talent.

  65. Cassie of Sydney

    “Tintarella di Luna
    #3157081, posted on September 16, 2019 at 7:47 pm
    Greg Sheridan is an absolute fuckwit.

    Cassie the Sunbather and I agree”

    Thanks Tinta. His interview with Blot tonight was pathetic. I lost all respect for Sheridan in 2016 when he was churning out mediocre hit pieces about Trump and was spruiking for Hilarious Clinton. Sheridan doesn’t like Trump…in fact he loathes Trump. Sheridan is also a neocon warmonger..he wants Trump and the USA to bomb the shit out of Iran….in fact he wants wars everywhere. Sheridan loves war. Bombing Iran is not going to remedy any situation.

  66. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘More than 75 Aboriginal leaders who have been verified as Victorian traditional owners have nominated to’

    Verified how, and by who?

    The excellent Black Steam Train’s last post was about this very thing when he and his family moved to what appeared to be ‘traditional’ (several generations, I believe) dirt near Lake Tyers. An actual intelligent, articulate blackfella who at least belonged there as much as anyone, he was frozen out by the connected halfies with red hair and sunburn.

  67. Rex Mango

    Val Kilmer is the real actor in Top Gun and shows ole Tom up in every scene. Seem the two hated each other and Val got into character early, being king of the kids on set and white anting Tom.

  68. John Constantine

    The old story was that the House nukes belong to the Saudi ruling family (in return for funding the Pakistani nuclear program) are held by the Pakistani secret police for plausible deniability.

  69. Rex Mango

    Life on the Martian meteorite was the biggest hoax since the Hitler Diaries.

  70. Herodotus

    There has been some sentiment in favour of regional ABC versus city types.
    Many might have thought regional ABC was better than the inner city mob.
    The pile-on from them (see Bolt tonight, and recent items in non-msm news) about Jacinta Price’s appearance to speak at Coffs Harbour has revealed the falsity of this hypothesis.
    The regional ABC seems to be just as bad as their Ultimo cousins.

  71. egg_

    Palooka
    #3157104, posted on September 16, 2019 at 8:05 pm

    Zippy’s comet video upthread shows a close encounter with an Oort Cloud Object.

  72. Palooka:
    “How did pieces of the moon end up in Antarctica?”
    The same people that hid your car keys and shoe.
    The Joooos.
    🙂

  73. egg_

    The regional ABC seems to be just as bad as their Ultimo cousins.

    Worse.
    They Lord it over local yokels.

  74. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Verified how, and by who?

    At one stage, the going rate in the Kimberlys, to be verified as a “traditional owner”, was three cartons of V.B.

  75. Bruce of Newcastle

    Compound | Formula | Composition – Maria/Highlands
    iron(II) oxide | FeO | 14.1%/5.9%
    That’s a lotta iron oxide lying around adding colour to the grey.

    Egg – Sorry I was doing other stuff. Iron(II) oxide is black. So is ilmenite, since there’s a similar amount of titanium as there is iron. Ilmenite is FeTiO3. Basically most of the moon is basaltic, unoxidized and therefore dark coloured because the minerals are dark coloured. If you look up that orange stuff I linked it appears to be from fumaroles nearly 4 billion years ago. The action of hot water can convert some of the iron to Fe(III) compounds which are yellow-orange-red depending on what’s in them.

    Also the lunar surface has been pounded by solar radiation for billions of years, and has been bombarded by micrometeorites – they too tend to be black (both chondritic and metallic). I suspect some modification by the bombardment to convert some minerals to lighter colours – eg ilmenite to rutile or anatase (both TiO2), which are white or light grey. I haven’t looked up the detailed mineralogy. But grey is the Moon’s favourite colour because that’s what it’s made of.

  76. Tintarella di Luna

    The excellent Black Steam Train’s last post was about this very thing when he and his family moved to what appeared to be ‘traditional’ (several generations, I believe) dirt near Lake Tyers. An actual intelligent, articulate blackfella who at least belonged there as much as anyone, he was frozen out by the connected halfies with red hair and sunburn.

    I really appreciated his articles, he was refreshingly honest and upfront about his life, about his utter disdain for the urban white blackfellas claiming victimhood while wearing Tiffany and living behind the goat cheese curtain.

  77. Cassie of Sydney

    Jacinta Price is on Kenny….she is amazing.

  78. cohenite

    Jacinta Price suing the abc based on the Coffs Harbour debacle.

  79. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Palooka
    #3157114, posted on September 16, 2019 at 8:14 pm

    That joke reminds of how NASA reckons they can see dust at 7000 light years. When in reality these Poindexters cannot see the car keys at 7 feet. What they are looking at is big rocks. Really big rocks. Not dust.

    They’re also seeing stars and planets out there Bird.

    FFS. You’re a professor of optics or signals processing now? Want to tell me how Snell’s Law is wrong or how semiconductors don’t actually work.

    FFS.

    Enough.

  80. Cassie of Sydney

    Jacinta Price is not accepting any apologies from “their ABC”….you go girl.

  81. Cohenite:

    Jacinta Price suing the abc based on the Coffs Harbour debacle.

    Beauty!
    Made my day.

  82. Top Ender

    One reason the Pakistanis might use nukes first is that they are seriously outclassed by the Indians, both in equipment and skills.

    India has about double the number of tanks that Pakistan has.

    India runs an aircraft carrier program; Pakistan does not.

    India runs 16 submarines; Pakistan 5. Two of India’s are nuclear-powered.

    India operates over 2000 military aircraft; Pakistan less than half that.

    Other figures are comparable.

    I was recently in India and had an opportunity to see some of their fighters exercising. They can take off in formation, at night; and return to base with the same number of aircraft. Most Asian nations cannot.

  83. Rex Mango

    Black Steam Train was the best thing on the net.

  84. Bruce of Newcastle

    “How did pieces of the moon end up in Antarctica?”

    Knocked off the moon by a big hammer. Literally.

    Some meteorites found in Antarctica and other places, like the Sahara and the Nullabor, are from Mars and the Moon. Even one from Mercury. They are the results of meteorite strikes on those bodies – which blast some surface rocks into orbit and eventually to Earth.

    No meteorites come from Venus because the Venusian atmosphere is too thick. But the Moon and Mars have bugger all atmosphere and weak gravity so anything blasted upwards has a chance of sailing away.

  85. Rex Mango

    Does Pakistan still have 60 odd ex RAAF Mirage III’s that were well an truly thrashed?

  86. Beachcomber

    Rex Mango at 8:09 pm

    Life on the Martian meteorite was the biggest hoax since the Hitler Diaries.

    It was a media stunt by NASA to raise the public profile and get more more funding. Similar to the televised raid by the ATF on the Branch Davidians at Waco. Utterly cynical and loathsome government.

  87. “How did pieces of the moon end up in Antarctica?”

    Australia Post stuffed up the postcode reading machine?

  88. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Bwahahaha

    However, the fact that so many non-stealth aircraft had entered Pakistani airspace, stayed for 3 hours to carry out a major operation, and that PAF jets only arrived at the location 24 minutes after the American helicopters had left made a senior PAF official term it “one of the most embarrassing” incidents in Pakistan’s history.

    Yeah, they’re “going real good”.

  89. “How did pieces of the moon end up in Antarctica?”

    A steam powered trebuchet?

  90. Bruce of Newcastle

    Pretty easy to pick interstellar dust by its IR signature.

  91. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Palooka
    #3157130, posted on September 16, 2019 at 8:28 pm

    Snell’s law? How did that come up?

    Fuck me dead. You really are brain dead, Graeme.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snell%27s_law#Derivations_and_formula

    It doesn’t rely on relativity so backwards lumpkins like you aren’t offended by reality. Maxwell is all that is needed, so your crackpot safe space remains a safe hugbox for your demented sperging.

    When its 7000 light years away you don’t say “Hey that looks like dust. That must be dust.” Thats not real bright to say things like that.

    Well dumbarse, maybe they look at diffraction, refraction, absorption and emission spectra, whaddya reckon?

  92. Rex Mango

    Magpies take out one Australian eye each year and killed a man yesterday in Wollongong. Won’t help things if they get through the prelim.

  93. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Graeme now not only rails against *modern physics* but he actually also asserts that classical physics and chemistry is wrong too.

    Good lord. Enjoy your 14th-century technology, you dolt.

  94. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    They look at the top level of the sun, they see lifting gasses and they think that its lifting gasses all the way down.

    What is it like to be so mentally retarded you believe that the third dimension is a secret Jooish conspiracy?

  95. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘entered Pakistani airspace, stayed for 3 hours to carry out a major operation, and that PAF jets only arrived at the location 24 minutes after the American helicopters had left’

    Clearly, the Paki pilots were graduates of the Inzamam-ul-Haq School of Flight.

    Slow to get off the mark, even slower once they’re going and most of the time facing the wrong way.

  96. Cassie of Sydney

    Quentin Dumpster on Kenny implying that Jacinta Price is “contentious”….FMD.

  97. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Can anyone imagine Bird connecting his home to electricity then giving the Paki bloke in the call centre heat, “explain to me how so-called alternating current, three-phase power works, you bully boy pig fucker dumb science worker!”.

    I can and it is fucking hilarious.

  98. Knuckle Dragger

    Phoenicians were big believers in space dust.

  99. Bruce of Newcastle

    Tell me about the spectroscopy signature for dust.

    Easy. Particles diffract incident light. Paint is made of particles that are 0.2-0.3 micrometres in size to diffract the visible light spectrum of 400-700 nm (they tend to produce slightly smaller size range because white paint looks whiter to the human eye if it has a bit more blue than red in the diffraction spectrum). The ideal particle size is half the wavelength of light.

    So dust diffracts electromagnetic radiation twice its particle size. Consequently if a star has a dust ring around it you see the ring at the wavelengths that is diffracts best, which is usually infrared. That is also helped by the fact that many stars don’t emit much IR so it is easier to spot the dust.

    Same goes with free floating dust clouds. They diffract incident light in a characteristic spectrum based on the particle size of the dust.

  100. C.L.

    THAT WASN’T FUNNY!!

    On Australian Story (Paul Hogan feature), Jane Caro just denounced all of Hoges’ skits in the 1970s involving Delvene Delaney.

    Jane Caro.

  101. mh

    I expect you guys are all over this, but I’ll post anyway

    NYT updates Kavanaugh ‘bombshell’ to note accuser doesn’t recall alleged assault

    The New York Times suddenly made a major revision to a supposed bombshell piece late Sunday concerning a resurfaced allegation of sexual assault by Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh — hours after virtually all 2020 Democratic presidential candidates had cited the original article as a reason to impeach Kavanaugh.

    The update included the significant detail that several friends of the alleged victim said she did not recall the supposed sexual assault in question at all. The Times also stated for the first time that the alleged victim refused to be interviewed, and has made no comment about the episode.

    The only first-hand statement concerning the supposed attack in the original piece, which was published on Saturday, came from a Clinton-connected lawyer who claimed to have witnessed it…

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/nyt-kavanaugh-bombshell-goes-bust-after-2020-dems-use-it-to-call-for-impeachment

  102. Rex Mango

    Talkback radio they are discussing whether the killer magpie should be put down, as would a killer dog have to go. Seems the rogue maggie now has the taste for human blood. Could be a movie in this story.

  103. dover_beach

    an anyone imagine Bird connecting his home to electricity then giving the Paki bloke in the call centre heat, “explain to me how so-called alternating current, three-phase power works, you bully boy pig fucker dumb science worker!”.

    I can and it is fucking hilarious.

    Bird should set up a channel on YouTube and do just that. It would become legend.

  104. Top Ender

    Pakistan still operates Mirage III and 5s according to Wiki.

    From memory I think we sold them 40+ Mirage IIIs. There’s one here in Darwin as a static display at the RAAF base. Lovely looking aircraft and a beaut to fly, if underpowered by the time we put two drop tanks on it.

  105. C.L.

    Quentin Dumpster on Kenny implying that Jacinta Price is “contentious”….FMD.

    “Contentious” being the new uppity.

  106. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    From memory I think we sold them 40+ Mirage IIIs

    From memory, yes, in 1984.

  107. Some History

    THAT WASN’T FUNNY!!
    On Australian Story (Paul Hogan feature), Jane Caro just denounced all of Hoges’ skits in the 1970s involving Delvene Delaney.
    Jane Caro.

    We can do better than that for Jane Carosene

    https://imgur.com/gc1N01X

  108. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Bird if you think solid or even gas or liquid phases under normal pressure have the same spectra as dust in a vacuum, please read:

    THE JOURNAL OF CHEMICAL PHYSICS
    VOLUME 42, NUMBER 1 1 JANUARY 1965
    Spectroscopic Constants and Vibrational Assignment for the B ano” + State of Iodine*
    J.1. STEINFELD,t R. N. ZARE,t L. JONES, M. LESK, AND W. KLEMPERER
    Department of Chemistry, Harvard University, Cambridge, Massachusetts
    (Received 15 June 1964)

    I can tell definitively that molecular spectra are different to atomic spectra.

    You are talking out of your arse Bird. Particle size, if significant to be likened to a phase change or form a hybrid matter phase (like an aerosol, such as smoke) will definitely cause the spectra to change.

    This is true and implied by the difference in spectra between atoms and molecules, even of the same element. The intermolecular forces are completely changed.

  109. cohenite

    Quentin Dumpster on Kenny implying that Jacinta Price is “contentious”….FMD.

    Dumpster is a fool; he actually believes his own crap. Those lefties who believe their own virtue gland are the most dangerous, they’re so sincere.

    He nearly choked on his own bile at our Jacinta’s decision to sue the vile mob. Now if Kavanagh can sue some of the media outlets/demorat pollies who ran with this latest shit about his dick being passed around at parties life will get a lot better.

    I must say this thread is becoming a bit dusty but Snell’s law is a great law in as much as it applies to different types of booze and how light passes through them differently. If you don’t believe me just line up a dozen or so different drinks all in clear glasses and see how the light passing through the booze looks different as you drink each one.

  110. Rex Mango

    Remember talking to a bloke who worked on Mirages. He said crash alarm at Williamtown would go off once a week and the techos would grab deck chairs and dash out the hanger to watch. Eventually CO put out an order for no more spectators.

  111. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Bird

    Think about X-ray crystallography.

    Of course both the size and shape of molecules or atoms can affect spectra characteristics, as well as phase, entropy and density.

  112. Knuckle Dragger

    Joey, I’m not angry any more.

  113. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Palooka
    #3157159, posted on September 16, 2019 at 8:54 pm

    So you reckon at 7000 light years all the rocks are homogenised to the same size as dust, and you reckon that you can see they are all at that same size?

    I think you are imagining NASA is saying bizarre things then you are getting upset about it.

    Stop it. You’re just winding yourself up for no reason at all.

  114. Bruce of Newcastle

    If you have a star directly behind a dust cloud the dust will absorb some of the star’s light in specific wavelengths depending on the composition of the dust. In that circumstance the minerals in the dust are absorbing those wavelengths because they are yummy – matching bending and stretching modes of the various chemical bonds – like Si-O-Si bonds. That’s how we know a fair bit of the interstellar dust is in fact dust. It is made up of silicates like terrestrial dust. Of course there’s other stuff like carbon, organics and ices all with their own absorption spectra. But a lot of it is silicate dust.

  115. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Palooka
    #3157165, posted on September 16, 2019 at 8:57 pm

    So you reckon there is all this dust in space. How did it get there? In a dust nursery perhaps?

    What about heat? What about the planets?

    Where is their cosmological nursery?

  116. Bruce of Newcastle

    So you reckon there is all this dust in space. How did it get there?

    Red giants spit out a lot of it. They’re cool enough at their surfaces for the silicates to freeze and they have high solar wind fluxes.

  117. Infidel Tiger

    Great stuff.

    Evil witch Berjiklian will have a spill motion moved against her tomorrow.

    Leave the disgusting bitch in a bucket.

  118. Knuckle Dragger

    Gladys B facing a leadership challenge tomorrow over the abortion disaster. Four MPs threatening to sack themselves.

    Spill! Spill! Spill!

  119. Oh come on

    The prez spruiks the NSA vacancy:

    A lotta people want the job, and…it’s a great job. It’s great because it’s a lotta fun to work with Donald Trump. And it’s very easy actually to work with me. You know why it’s easy ‘cos I make all the decisions; they don’t have to work.

    LOL God love him.

  120. Crossie

    Wow! Paul Murray reporting that Gladys will be challenged for premiership as early as tomorrow. I expect her career is about to be aborted.

  121. Knuckle Dragger

    A true Yamnaya wouldn’t put up with this space rock discussion. He’d own it.

    There’d be Corded Ware people scattered in bits all over the place.

  122. QandA forum s open get your bids in troops this will be messy tonight.

  123. zyconoclast

    I know Arky posted the regular version

    This is better because it goes for 8 minutes

  124. Oh come on

    The fatwah’s not over, then?

  125. Knuckle Dragger

    I’ll have 73 Pit Grave people, Carpe.

    I have a country to save.

  126. mh

    Talkback radio they are discussing whether the killer magpie should be put down, as would a killer dog have to go. Seems the rogue maggie now has the taste for human blood. Could be a movie in this story.

    Was the cyclist wearing a helmet?

  127. C.L.

    Evil witch Berjiklian will have a spill motion moved against her tomorrow.

  128. zyconoclast

    Modern family: The naturally conceived Canberra baby with DNA from both of his mothers

    Isabelle had been increasingly troubled by information she was reluctant to share with her partner, causing Rebecca to fear the worst

    “I just cornered her on the couch and was like, ‘You’re going to tell me whatever’s going on’,” Rebecca said.

    Isabelle explained: “We just kind of broke down and I said, ‘Look, I’m trans,’ and Bec said, ‘Oh, is that all?’

    Rebecca said her fiance’s revelation prompted her to make her own. “Oh, I guess I have to tell her I’m bi now. I was keeping it a secret.”

  129. Knuckle Dragger

    Yerg. The teev just showed some footage of Gladys Bin-Bucket walking somewhere in some type of tailored pant.

    Faux pas, dear. Please hide that sizeable gunt until further notice.

  130. mh

    A State Premier loses her job over abortion legislation?

    That would be very significant.

  131. Black Ball

    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha and others who have commented on this Victorian treaty. So it’s only open to Aboriginal people, of which there are 30k enrolled, with only 2k registered or some such. What is the number required to get this turdburger ratified?
    Just say 10,000 people vote, and 5001 are in the affirmative, does it go through? On 16 percent of enrolled voters? It’s very confusing but also important to know.

  132. Crossi

    Only a few months ago Gladys had the state of New South Wales at her feet and what does she do? She lets somebody not even in her own party drive a wedge between her and the voters with a radical abortion bill without even a peep from her. I thought she was a politician whose stock in trade is doing what is possible. That sort of lack of judgement must not go unpunished.

    What’s more, I thought she was a Christian but it seems that Christianity is so “deeply personal” that it can’t be found.

  133. zyconoclast

    Vaping can be deadly: as an imaging scientist I fear the impact on people’s lungs

    Vaping causes severe illness in otherwise healthy young adults and teenagers. It causes a life-threatening, life-shortening and sometimes deadly lung toxicity and injury — with apparently irreversible damage that cannot be cured.

    A recent report in the New England Journal of Medicine on 53 confirmed cases of young e-cigarette users hospitalised with severe lung toxicity and injury clearly shows that this is the case. The average age of these patients was 19.

  134. Crossie

    Oops, lost an “e” from my name. Maybe it looks better without an e.

  135. Geriatric Mayfly

    A State Premier loses her job over abortion legislation?

    Tough. But what of that cankerous Green grub in the background?

  136. Top Ender

    Don’t you know Black Ball?

    It won’t matter if three old mates and an aged kelpie vote.

    It will go through that 92 people have been elected, or whatever the number is, and then the Gravy Train MkII pulls out of the station.

  137. Crossie

    Carpe Jugulum
    #3157181, posted on September 16, 2019 at 9:05 pm
    QandA forum s open get your bids in troops this will be messy tonight.

    The Gladys coup has upstaged them.

  138. egg_

    Apollo 17 – Orange Soil

    These orange glass spheres and fragments are the finest particles ever brought back from the Moon. The particles range in size from 20 to 45 microns. The orange soil was brought back from the Taurus-Littrow landing site by the apollo 17 crewmen. Scientist-Astronaut Harrison J. Schmitt discovered the orange soil at Shorty Crater. The orange particles, which are intermixed with black and black-speckled grains, are about the same size as the particles that compose silt on Earth. Chemical analysis of the orange soil material has show the sample to be similar to some of the samples brought back from the Apollo 11 (Sea of Tranquility) site several hundred miles to the southwest. Like those samples, it is rich in titanium (8%) and iron oxide (22%).* But unlike the Apollo 11 samples, the orange soil is unexplainably rich in zinc. The orange soil is probably of volcanic origin and not the product of meteorite impact.

    *Doesn’t say which type. Look like glass-like crystals.

  139. Cassie of Sydney

    “Crossi
    #3157196, posted on September 16, 2019 at 9:13 pm
    Only a few months ago Gladys had the state of New South Wales at her feet and what does she do? She lets somebody not even in her own party drive a wedge between her and the voters with a radical abortion bill without even a peep from her. I thought she was a politician whose stock in trade is doing what is possible. That sort of lack of judgement must not go unpunished.

    What’s more, I thought she was a Christian but it seems that Christianity is so “deeply personal” that it can’t be found.”

    I have NO doubts that Gladys, Photios and others wets in the NSW Libs thought that they were going to go into minority government earlier this year and so before the March state election….what did they do…they made a deal with the devil aka Greenwich….actually Greenwich makes the devil look moral and decent. What I know about Greenwich can’t be published however I’ll just say that he is utterly, utterly putrid.

  140. Rex Mango

    Paul Barry on Media Watch attacking chief climate change denier Littleproud first up.

  141. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    So it’s only open to Aboriginal people, of which there are 30k enrolled,

    Those who self identify as Aboriginal will be able to vote.

  142. Knuckle Dragger

    BB,

    I’m not sure the people themselves know. Or what its purpose will be, other than free stuff, how it will be done, assuming everybody else wants to do the same thing, or make it repeal-proof, enforceable somehow via penalties of what, (as you say) what percentage vote’s required to either ask for something or reject a proposal, how they will ensure ALL the indig groups in Vicco are represented, how THAT is broken down as a ratio in the voting bloc, what concessions (if any) are to be made, who’s going to form the sub-committees and all that that entails or which type of Welcome to Country will be ratified in which area and for what fee.

    Probably a morning’s work, I would imagine. Our indig folk are notoriously tolerant of other tribal groups.

  143. miltonf

    Would be great to see Beryl given the D&C after her duplicity. Re Sheridan the war enthusiast- I guess that’s easy when it’s unlikely that he’ll ever have to and fight in one. A Macquarie Uni graduate. Need say more.

  144. egg_

    But grey is the Moon’s favourite colour because that’s what it’s made of.

    It’s red from orbit in many Russian Luna mission photos – with a blue Earth ‘Earthrise’ in the background – some jpegs upthread.

  145. Crossie

    I see Richo defending Gladys, and there goes the fishwife Jeanine Parrot calling the anti abortion bill people bitter and twisted.

    Happy now Gladys with your champions?

  146. zyconoclast

    A $1.5 billion bid for the Australian organic infant formula company Bellamy’s by Chinese dairy giant China Mengniu Dairy Company is shaping as a fresh test of the government’s stance on foreign ownership, against a backdrop of deepening trade tensions.

    Tasmania-based Bellamy’s has entered into an agreement with China Mengniu Dairy Company, which is listed in Hong Kong and has a market capitalisation of about $25 billion. Chinese government-owned Cofco is a substantial shareholder in China Mengniu Dairy Company, owning about 16.2 per cent of its shares.

  147. zyconoclast

    Before Glad Bags gets binned, has anyone ever asked her for an opinion about the Armenian Genocide

    It important she is asked this when she is visiting a kebab shop in the Sydney suburb of Auburn*.

    *She might bump into Ita and the rest of the ABC

  148. Crossie

    I have NO doubts that Gladys, Photios and others wets in the NSW Libs thought that they were going to go into minority government earlier this year and so before the March state election….what did they do…they made a deal with the devil aka Greenwich….actually Greenwich makes the devil look moral and decent. What I know about Greenwich can’t be published however I’ll just say that he is utterly, utterly putrid.

    Cassie, as I already noted Gladys is a politician and as such should have worked out that she no longer needed to honour such a possible agreement because she won in her own right. That she went ahead and did it anyway shows her betrayal of those who trusted her party with a vote. How is she any better than Malcolm or the vile Greenwich?

  149. mh

    NSW will undergo an early term abortion of their Premier.

  150. Shy Ted

    Oh, so that’s how the first people managed firestick farming across thousands of kilometres, helicopters. Now it all makes sense.

  151. min

    The Middle East is going to have temperatures increasing and less water by 2030 according to Climate alarmists. I seem to remember that this happened before in the Tigris and Euphrates area when drought and hot weather forced the inhabitants to move. Well that is what was in my history book as a kid.

  152. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    All we have to do is hold out until 2031.

    The climate scam will end. If people think that it is still a problem, we can always go nuke.

  153. Bruce of Newcastle

    The picture I showed is alleged to be a “star nursery.”

    T-Tauri stars have a lot of dust and also have strong stellar winds. They’re young stars of the sort you see in such locations.

    As for dust from red giants and other sources, like supernovae and novae, it forms as dust. Basically the elements cool down from plasma to gaseous phase, combine to form the silicates, condense into tiny droplets which cool further and freeze. Basically silicate fog. Then the solid silicate fog, ie. “dust”, is blown out of the stellar atmosphere by the stellar wind. Or exploded out by novae/supernovae. As it collects into clouds along with gas it forms the stellar nursery and collapses under gravity to form new stars. So the cycle continues until it all gets blown out again.

  154. Crossie

    So now Gladys is being given the credit for a booming state economy. Would that be the same economy driven mainly by the construction of myriad high rises all around Sydney that will turn into Opal Towers in the near future?

  155. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    BB,

    I’m not sure the people themselves know. Or what its purpose will be, other than free stuff, how it will be done, assuming everybody else wants to do the same thing, or make it repeal-proof, enforceable somehow via penalties of what, (as you say) what percentage vote’s required to either ask for something or reject a proposal, how they will ensure ALL the indig groups in Vicco are represented, how THAT is broken down as a ratio in the voting bloc, what concessions (if any) are to be made, who’s going to form the sub-committees and all that that entails or which type of Welcome to Country will be ratified in which area and for what fee.

    I’ll bet good money that any “treaty” finishes up in a similar legal dogfight.

    Biggest native title deal in danger of dissident defeat

    Exclusive
    Paige Taylor
    WA Bureau Chief
    @paigeataylor
    12:00AM July 29, 2019
    100 Comments

    The biggest land rights deal in Australian history is in danger of being killed off, four years after the Noongar people of Western Australia voted for the $1.3 billion land-and-cash package to benefit 30,000 Aboriginal people.

    A dissident Noongar group — among the minority who voted “no” in 2015 when the South West Native Title Settlement was put to the Noongar people at six ­regional meetings — have successfully stalled the deal in the Federal Court for years. Until now, their arguments were not widely regarded as likely to succeed and politicians from both sides have referred to the settlement as a fait accompli.

    It has been described as Australia’s first treaty and has bipartisan support in WA.

    A Federal Court decision about a small land deal in the Northern Territory in May has handed opponents of the Noon­gar settlement a fresh argument that reopened their case. The Cox Peninsula deal outside Darwin was thrown out by the court on May 20 because it was certified in 2017 by the Northern Land Council’s then chief executive, Joe Morrison, rather than by a full board. The Noongar deal was also signed by an employee of a land council, the South West Aboriginal Land and Sea Council’s then chief executive Glenn Kelly, so opponents of the $1.3bn deal rushed back to court.

    Represented pro bono by one of Australia’s most respected nat­ive title lawyers, Greg McIntyre SC, the dissident group is arguing the Noongar deal was not signed off correctly and therefore incorrectly registered. The Federal Court is considering written arguments before deciding if more hearings are necessary. Opponents object to surrendering their native title. They are now hopeful they can kill off the Noongar settlement by the end of the year.

    Mr McIntyre told The Australian the Federal Court’s decision about the Cox Peninsula land deal in May was important for many such deals across Australia that had been decided the same way.

    “There could be hundreds of decisions affected by that ruling,” Mr McIntyre said. He said if a land deal was thrown out by a court, it was not always simple to start again. The deals were usually reached after large meetings of traditional owners and it cost tens of thousands of dollars to bring all the relevant people together.

    Former Liberal premier Colin Barnett oversaw the South West Native Title Settlement after more than a decade of litigation.

    In 2006, the Federal Court found the Noongar people held native title rights to occupy, use and enjoy lands and waters; it was hailed as the first decision recognising native title over a capital city, but it was overturned by the Full Federal Court two years later.

    Instead of more court battles, the Barnett government and South West Aboriginal Land and Sea Council agreed to negotiate. In July 2013, the government released the terms of its settlement offer and these were approved by the Noongar people at a series of authorisation meetings between January and March 2015.

    The settlement is considered the most comprehensive as well as the largest in Australia. Up to 320,000ha of southwest land will be transferred to the Noongar Boodja Trust for development and cultural purposes. The WA government will also contribute $50 million annually for 12 years to the Noongar Boodja Trust, and $10m annually for 12 years to the Noongar Regional Corporations.

  156. Cassie of Sydney

    “Crossie
    #3157246, posted on September 16, 2019 at 9:38 pm

    Cassie, as I already noted Gladys is a politician and as such should have worked out that she no longer needed to honour such a possible agreement because she won in her own right. That she went ahead and did it anyway shows her betrayal of those who trusted her party with a vote. How is she any better than Malcolm or the vile Greenwich?”

    She is NO better….I’ve heard that the putrid Greenwich is pulling the strings….I just can’t believe that this has happened…on second thoughts I can believe it….this is the NSW Liberals.

  157. Some History

    I see Richo defending Gladys, and there goes the fishwife Jeanine Parrot calling the anti abortion bill people bitter and twisted.

    Carosene not happy.

    Jane Caro‏Verified account @JaneCaro 19m19 minutes ago
    More
    Disgraceful behaviour by rogue far right religious fanatical MPs to spill against @GladysB Playing hardball politics literally over the bodies of women & their rights is beneath contempt. I hope majority of MPs remember over 70% of NSW voters support decriminalisation of abortion

    https://twitter.com/JaneCaro/status/1173556390993911808?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

  158. Black Ball

    Chortle Top Ender.
    Thanks Zulu and Dragger. This is complete bollocks. Whoever had this brain fart should explain in no uncertain terms what the actual fuck is going on. Answers to the queries I had, what it will achieve moving forward if indeed it gets up. Terms of reference etc. Just another government yoke on Aboriginal people in my mind, in that blacks will vote for this without knowing what is in it, a la Nancy Pelosi and Obamacare.

  159. Crossie

    Palooka
    #3157270, posted on September 16, 2019 at 9:45 pm
    Normal frauds sometimes come to an end. But science frauds go on a very long time. I sure hope you are right.

    Frauds go on only as long as they are profitable.

  160. Some History

    Carosene SNOT happy.

  161. Bruce of Newcastle

    It’s red from orbit in many Russian Luna mission photos – with a blue Earth ‘Earthrise’ in the background – some jpegs upthread.

    Egg – Yep I looked at the jpegs. The ones from orbit don’t look like the Moon on a clear night do they? I don’t know how the Russians got a red Moon, unless they used filters for whatever reason. No CCD cameras in those days. The Moon looks light in colour to us on the ground for the same reason I said – lots of dust on the surface diffracting incident sunlight, except for the maria which are darker from the basalt.

  162. Crossie

    Jane Caro now to Gladys’ defence. Hang on a minute, I thought Gladys was a Liberal.

  163. zyconoclast

    Minnesota police say synagogue torching not a hate crime

    Matthew James Amiot, 36, of Duluth, was arrested Friday in the fire last week at the Adas Israel Congregation in downtown Duluth, the city’s police chief, Mike Tusken, said at a news conference.

  164. Old School Conservative

    zyconoclast
    #3157234, posted on September 16, 2019 at 9:33 pm
    Tasmania-based Bellamy’s has entered into an agreement with China Mengniu Dairy Company,

    Bellamy’s has struggled for some time to get a licence to export children’ milk powder to China.
    Call me cynical, but the licence will magically appear after Mengniu buy Bellamy’s.

  165. Snoopy

    Playing hardball politics literally over the bodies of women & their rights is beneath contempt.

    Is there anyone more narcissistic than the modern progressive woman?

  166. mh

    We will fight
    We will win
    Put the foetus Premier in the bin!

  167. egg_

    Interstellar cloud

    Until recently the rates of reactions in interstellar clouds were expected to be very slow, with minimal products being produced due to the low temperature and density of the clouds. However, organic molecules were observed in the spectra that scientists would not have expected to find under these conditions, such as formaldehyde, methanol, and vinyl alcohol.

  168. Crossie

    Gladys stuffed up royally with her hands off approach to the abortion bill. If the cutoff point was 16 weeks it would have sailed through unnoticed but they had to go to full term. And it was with her approval because she would not say a word no matter what was proposed.

  169. zyconoclast

    I don’t know why you would have a swearing in ceremony at a woman soccer game
    (1 minute video)

    A United States Armed Forces swearing-in ceremony at Wednesday’s game between the Portland Thorns and North Carolina Courage drew boos from fans at Providence Park after enlistees were asked to pledge to “obey the orders of the President of the United States.”

  170. zyconoclast

    Gladys stuffed up royally with her hands off approach to the abortion bill. If the cutoff point was 16 weeks it would have sailed through unnoticed but they had to go to full term. And it was with her approval because she would not say a word no matter what was proposed.

    Never go full retard

  171. Geriatric Mayfly

    Playing hardball politics literally over the bodies of women & their rights is beneath contempt.

    Oddly, the vital “health” consideration is missing.

  172. zyconoclast

    egg_
    #3157299, posted on September 16, 2019 at 9:54 pm

    At 28 seconds I can see a boot print from either Neil Armstrong or Stanley Kubrick.

  173. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    This man is a hero.

    It makes me wonder why some Republicans are still defending the Bush regime for outing Valerie Plame.

    Her political convictions do not negate any good deeds she did or Bush’s shittiness to her.

  174. Crossie

    zyconoclast
    #3157317, posted on September 16, 2019 at 10:03 pm
    I don’t know why you would have a swearing in ceremony at a woman soccer game

    Five years ago in August we rocked up to Mt Rushmore early in the morning and watched the preparations and swearing in ceremony for South Dakota National Guard graduates. It was beautiful and provided perfect photos.

  175. Crossie

    This man is a hero.

    Yeah, Edward Snowden was so concerned about Americans and that’s why he defected to Russia.

  176. Dr Faustus

    Bellamy’s has struggled for some time to get a licence to export children’ milk powder to China.
    Call me cynical, but the licence will magically appear after Mengniu buy Bellamy’s.

    I have worked with PRC corporates and GOC’s for many years.

    Learning #1: China Inc never, ever invests overseas simply to make a profit. Or for altruistic reasons.
    Only for the greater benefit of China.

    Win-win is a marketing ploy; designed to provide a fig leaf for non-Sino participants to cover the naughty pleasure of graft, or the embarrassment of being fucked over. And as a screen for the Chinese to import their business culture and influence as far as they can.

    When you get to know them a bit, the Chinese generally don’t insult you by pretending otherwise.

  177. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I don’t know why you would have a swearing in ceremony at a woman soccer game

    I should imagine that some of the enlistees would be wondering why they bother?

  178. John Constantine

    The firestorm that killed a hundred thousand residents of Tokyo at the end of the Pacific War was reported to have raged so completely because of the use of paper as a construction material.

    In 2019, the cities of Big Australia are now clad in napalm sandwiches. The worst of them have been seen to be ignited by a cigarette on a balcony.

    Up until now, the ash Wednesday fires and the black Saturday fires were out in the bush.

    Until the chicom peoples liberation army slave labour napalm panels are replaced, a couple of motivated military age revolutionary freedom fighters with a thousand dollars worth of delayed action incendiary devices could light up a square mile of Melbourne and overwhelm all firefighting capacity.

    Our napalm panel Ponxi is our strength.

    Comrades.

  179. Bruce of Newcastle

    However, organic molecules were observed in the spectra

    Egg – Yeah I said “there’s other stuff like carbon, organics and ices”. There’s a lot of graphite spat out by stars because carbon condenses at a higher temperature than silicates, and carbon is a product of the triple-alpha process in red giants and larger main sequence stars.

  180. David from Canberra

    What should US do about the oil attacks? My thoughts:

    So, who launched the attacks and for what purpose? It could be Yemen, Iran, rouge Iranians, rouge Saudis (false flag, etc.) and so on. But the purpose appears to be the same no matter who launched it: make the Saudis look bad, scuttle any chance of negotiation between US and Iran, and possibly encourage US to launch what will turn out to be a long quagmire of a campaign against Iran.

    In the last case the example often cited is the US naval operations against Iran which built up over time from Operation Nimble Archer to Operation Praying Mantis and ended a month later with the tragic shooting down of a civilian aircraft by the USS Vincennes. An equivalent campaign today would embroil the US in continuous combat albeit with limited aims for many months and potentially over a year, during a Presidential election year. Any slip-up or mistake could result either in the loss of US military lives or those of civilians.

    The Saudi oil attack seems to be the last in a series of events to goad the US into carrying out some ill-defined military action that is unlikely to end quickly or decisively. Never do what your enemy wants you to do. Instead, maybe this:

    US could just butt right out and declare it is a matter for the local countries eg Saudi, UAE and allies. Behind the scenes and very quietly US could offer intell, co-ordination and military supplies, all conveniently deniable. More than that: I think the US should launch it’s own strikes but with complete deniability. The symmetry appeals to me: Iran claims it is not responsible when it clearly is, blaming unknown minor actors; the US could play the same game.

    An example: the recent explosion on the launch pad of the Iranian rocket. I’m not saying it was anything but an accident, but let’s say another test flight proceeds. US could strike it and simply not say anything, blaming Iranian incompentence. Or a strike could be made on a large ammunition dump, and blamed on poor Iranian weapon storage practices. Even better if the strike coincides with the visits of senior defence or research personnel. I believe this has happened before. But, yeah, that was a complete accident, or so it has been reported.

    There is no end of mischief that some undeclared strikes could make. Each of them blamed upon some tiny rag-tag army with no hope of launching such sophisticated strikes or possessing such weapons, or on Iranian mistakes and incompetence. This will reduce Iran’s status in the eyes of the region.

    The key is to not take any credit for any action, keeping the US completely out of it. This is probably difficult: I_s_r_a_e_l has managed to do this quite well for years, but the US is prone to leaks especially by the disgruntled who think betraying their country is more important if it gives the Trump administration a black eye.

  181. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Palooka
    #3157350, posted on September 16, 2019 at 10:18 pm

    I don’t know Frank. Her husband was a clear fakeass. So I just throw her in along with her husband.

    Since when have we been down with collective punishment?

    FFS!

    Yeah, Edward Snowden was so concerned about Americans and that’s why he defected to Russia.

    You mean he took on the deep state and has sacrificed his own liberty and lifestyle to alert the public to the abuse of power.

  182. Crossie

    Miranda Devine damning Gladys from New York and she expressed my sentiments exactly. Gladys betrayed Liberal voters and her colleagues.

  183. mh

    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    ·
    24m
    “The New York Times walks back report on Kavanaugh assault claim.”
    @foxandfriends
    The one who is actually being assaulted is Justice Kavanaugh – Assaulted by lies and Fake News! This is all about the LameStream Media working with their partner, the Dems.

  184. egg_

    At 28 seconds I can see a boot print from either Neil Armstrong or Stanley Kubrick.

    The Chinks said their orbiter saw no signs of Apollo descent stages left on the moon.
    Got any photos?

  185. Crossie

    Yeah, Edward Snowden was so concerned about Americans and that’s why he defected to Russia.

    You mean he took on the deep state and has sacrificed his own liberty and lifestyle to alert the public to the abuse of power.

    And then seek asylum with that beacon of freedom Vladimir Putin. Assange had more nous and guts.

  186. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Putin is a prick. His asylum to Snowden is self-serving.

    It doesn’t mean that Snowden is wrong.

  187. Crossie

    The Chinks said their orbiter saw no signs of Apollo descent stages left on the moon.
    Got any photos?

    Exactly. I’m more inclined to trust the Russians than the Chinese in this regard and I don’t trust the Russians at all.

  188. Crossie

    Frank Walker from National Tiles
    #3157411, posted on September 16, 2019 at 10:41 pm
    Putin is a prick. His asylum to Snowden is self-serving.

    It doesn’t mean that Snowden is wrong.

    Don’t you wonder what was Putin’s price?

  189. Top Ender

    You’d be going some to see parts of the lunar landings, Egg.

    Try for the reflectors instead.

  190. Top Ender

    “landers” not landings

  191. Muddy

    John Constantine
    #3157359, posted on September 16, 2019 at 10:23 pm

    …chicom peoples liberation army slave labour napalm panels…

    Can Peak Constantine be gazed at directly?

  192. egg_

    At 28 seconds I can see a boot print from either Neil Armstrong or Stanley Kubrick.

    Two decades ago NASA explained away clear inconsistencies in Lunar photos as a “mixup” between publicity shots and the real thing. The best explanation is that the Apollo training simulations were passed off as the real deal – the Apollo 11 Lunar descent stage training taking place 2 weeks before the actual mission, with official NASA communications (mistakenly) stating that date as the date of the landing.
    The Apollo 11 video footage still available IIRC was originally shot on 8mm from a monitor* at Honeysuckle Creek Earth Station – NASA inadvertently “wiped” all Apollo video footage.

    *Conspiracy theorists see a guy with specs (looking like Brian Henderson from Bandstand) in the footage – probably a reflection of one of the techs on the monitor screen.
    /Fvcken sad

  193. egg_

    This sh1tty footage of “one small step for man”

  194. Steve trickler

    This bloke and his wife are world class.



  195. zyconoclast

    Miranda Devine damning Gladys from New York and she expressed my sentiments exactly. Gladys betrayed Liberal voters and her colleagues.

    The Liberal voters betrayed themselves by voting for the Liberals.
    This time it just happened to be Glad bags.

  196. Sinclair Davidson

    3 smotings in a 24 hour period. I’m being spoilt.

  197. egg_

    Top Ender
    #3157414, posted on September 16, 2019 at 10:44 pm

    Time will tell.
    The LM2 exhibit was “refurbished” a few years ago.

  198. Muddy

    Sinc: Can you claim a smoting injury on Workcover?

  199. Black Ball

    Watching Footy Classified and had to contain some laughter. With the carry on surrounding Tayla Harris, it appears that 2 months before the AFLW season starts, there hasn’t been a draw yet. No money from a collective bargaining agreement has been settled and the laydees (HT Knuckle Dragger) are threatening to walk away from the players union. Time to take the statue down.

  200. Crossie

    Sinclair Davidson
    #3157422, posted on September 16, 2019 at 10:49 pm
    3 smotings in a 24 hour period. I’m being spoilt.

    Am I missing something?

  201. egg_

    Other than Snoopy, all of the LMs were allegedly successfully crashed back into the Moon from orbit, too.

  202. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘3 smotings in a 24 hour period. I’m being spoilt.’

    Yeah, well, some of us are missing out on the fatwa.

  203. zyconoclast

    3 smotings in a 24 hour period. I’m being spoilt.

    Who are the smitten or smotees?

  204. Knuckle Dragger

    Collective bargaining agreement? Sure.

    They can take a flat 70% of their gate takings to date.

    How they divide that $37.50 is up to them.

  205. Rex Mango

    Egg, after the LM was named Snoopy, NASA banned silly names from the astronauts for their spaceships. If it was faked, such a story would not surface. Also some Poms identified Snoopy few years back as being an astroid in orbit around the Sun.

  206. mh

    A boost before the World Cup

    New gay alliance for Rugby Australia

    Rugby Australia says it hopes to grow the number of gay rugby players in Australia and educate people about homophobia through a new alliance with a number of gay-inclusive clubs.

    Under the alliance, a new committee will be formed by RA with four Australian rugby clubs – Sydney Convicts, Melbourne Chargers, Brisbane Hustlers and Perth Rams – as well as UK-based International Gay Rugby.

    “We want rugby to be a game that all Australians can enjoy regardless of their age, race, background, religion, gender or sexual orientation,” said RA chief executive, Raelene Castle…

    https://7news.com.au/sport/rugby-union/new-gay-alliance-for-rugby-australia-c-456490

  207. zyconoclast

    Sydney Convicts, Melbourne Chargers, Brisbane Hustlers and Perth Rams

    You couldn’t make this stuff up.

    BTW is Gareth Thomas being hired as a mentor?

  208. Rex Mango

    Territory have lost the Northern Thunder from the NEAFL, Tasmania yet to have a side and country football clubs are in crisis. Tasmania didn’t have a draft, or maybe one recently. Yet AFLW in good shape.

  209. Leigh Lowe

    “We want rugby to be a game that all Australians can enjoy regardless of their age, race, background, religion, gender or sexual orientation,” said RA chief executive, Raelene Castle…

    Really??

  210. egg_

    If it was faked, such a story would not surface.

    Why?
    Men of “the right stuff” training for a mission to get man to the Moon “by the end of the decade” for Kennedy’s big mouth?
    Simulation or real, they’d be fond of “Snoopy” nevertheless.

  211. Rex Mango

    Rugby is a gay game at US universities.

  212. None

    “We want rugby to be a game that all Australians can enjoy regardless of their age, race, background, religion, gender or sexual orientation,” said RA chief executive, Raelene Castle…

    But you have to be gay to be a Ram or a Hustler. Heck what happens when you want to go straight? Welcome to the new apartheid. I mean really, that beached whale woman is a joke. Why are we employing Kiwi losers?

  213. Rex Mango

    No, when you go through the Apollo story, it is a very human one with real people and lots of them, to possibly have been faked. Like for instance who would’ve dreamt up the Neil Armstrong recluse character?

  214. Knuckle Dragger

    The black-lipped pavlova monster must be in between court appearances.

    Clearly, there’s a board position at Qantas coming up.

  215. Rex Mango

    Adelaide needs a team in the gay league. Can’t possibly think of a nickname.

  216. egg_

    who would’ve dreamt up the Neil Armstrong recluse character?

    Shame/guilt from a very decent human being.

  217. Rex Mango

    How about Gordon Cooper that got pulled off Apollo because he was too busy racing cars at Daytona?

  218. egg_

    Rex Mango
    #3157442, posted on September 16, 2019 at 11:15 pm

    Wanna bet there’s no hard evidence of Apollo craft on the Moon?
    /Sock

  219. None

    Adelaide needs a team in the gay league. Can’t possibly think of a nickname.

    Dunstan’s Dicks.

  220. egg_

    How about Gordon Cooper that got pulled off Apollo because he was too busy racing cars at Daytona?

    Presumably, it was intensive training – try some hard facts rather than ladies magazine stuff.

  221. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘regardless of their age, ….. gender or’

    So 30 yo fat chicks are in.

    Good. It’ll get them out of Woolworths. I’m sick of squeezing past brontosaurus-thighed heaving Castle impersonators in the diet cake aisle trying to get to the cereal.

  222. egg_

    Lasers bounce off the Moon without corner reflectors.

  223. None

    Rebel Liberal MPs will move an “empty chair” spill motion against NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian over abortion legislation tomorrow morning.

    Good.

  224. Knuckle Dragger

    The Salisbury Rough Riders.

  225. Knuckle Dragger

    The Snowtown Chainsaws.

  226. Knuckle Dragger

    The North Terrace Knob and Nutsack Nibblers.

  227. Rex Mango

    Egg, I’ve seen the International Space Station fly overhead with my eyes and if you can put something into orbit, then getting to the moon is just a matter of scaling it up. The Saturn V was a big rocket.

    None, excellent name.

  228. None

    I mean consider the optics: some childless, Photios-lap-dog personality-amputatee called Gladys, who boo hoos about the Armenian genocide, wants to decriminalise the wholesale slaughter of Australian children, which, at the rate of 100,000 a year, mean millions of dead Australian children in our lifetimes.

  229. Lazlo

    “A woman campaigning against domestic violence is vilified by men from her community who want to prevent her from speaking. The ABC gives a platform to these men, while denigrating the woman and denying her a voice.

    Meanwhile, a high-level delegation from the ABC goes on a tour of western Sydney to find out what the natives are thinking.

    You couldn’t make this stuff up.”

    Comment rejected by The Australian within two minutes.

  230. Rex Mango

    The Adelaide Serial Killers

  231. egg_

    I’ve seen the International Space Station fly overhead with my eyes and if you can put something into orbit, then getting to the moon is just a matter of scaling it up.

    I’ve registered the official “AOS” of commercial satellite spacecraft from Lockheed Martin Tacking Stations.
    Whoopee!
    (36,000km – 10% to the Moon, not LEO).

  232. Rex Mango

    As Verner Von Braun said, the most critical part of space flight was getting out of the atmosphere and why the Saturn V had those little wings at the base. Once you can get into Earth Orbit, most of the game is over.

  233. Lazlo

    I saw Sputnik flying overhead with my own eyes. Top that.

  234. Rex Mango

    Clive Lloyd was batting in the nets pre test match and he turned and asked me the time. Had just been given a watch for my birthday and couldn’t understand what he was saying. Everyone else was reaching for their watches, before I calmly told him how long he had before the game started.

  235. JC

    Why Apple can no longer make Apple products in the US. There aren’t any tool and dye makers in the US to fill an interview room.

    Watch this:
    https://www.wsj.com/video/why-making-apple-iphones-in-america-is-so-hard/9B724957-5B4A-43AA-B6B8-E4ABFE62B1F5.html

    Imposing a tariff on Chinese made products would immedaitely place Apple etc at a disadvantage against Samsung based in South Korea.

  236. Infidel Tiger

    Those skill sets were lost but can return once we have wiped the Chink Ponzi Fraud economy out.

    Onward Donald.

  237. Infidel Tiger

    Big business used to offer apprenticeships and skills training. Real jobs for families and working men. Dignity. Now they just pillage the third world for slave labour.

    This ends now.

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