Tuesday Forum: September 17, 2019

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  1. johanna

    Frank Walker from National Tiles
    #3158312, posted on September 17, 2019 at 8:50 pm

    Seriously. Restricting such an essential medicine (recognised by the WHO) which is the least harmful of its class might be a human rights law issue.

    Ummm, no. Paracetemol is safe if used properly, but very toxic in large doses. It is quite easy to die, voluntarily or involuntarily, from an overdose of paracetemol. See here:

    It is involved in a large proportion of accidental paediatric exposures and deliberate self-poisonings. It is the leading pharmaceutical agent responsible for calls to poisons information centres in Australia and New Zealand.

    and here:

    The NHMD included 95 668 admissions with paracetamol poisoning diagnoses (2007–08 to 2016–17); the annual number of cases increased by 44.3% during the study period (3.8% per year; 95% CI, 3.2–4.6%). Toxic liver disease was documented for 1816 of these patients; the annual number increased by 108% during the study period (7.7% per year; 95% CI, 6.0–9.5%). The NSWPIC database included 22 997 reports of intentional overdose with paracetamol (2004–2017); the annual number increased by 77.0% during the study period (3.3% per year; 95% CI, 2.5–4.2%). The median number of tablets taken increased from 15 (IQR, 10–24) in 2004 to 20 (IQR, 10–35) in 2017. Modified release paracetamol ingestion report numbers increased 38% between 2004 and 2017 (95% CI, 30–47%). 126 in‐hospital deaths were recorded in the NHMD, and 205 deaths (in‐hospital and out of hospital) in the NCIS, with no temporal trends.

    Fortunately, there is an antidote for paracetemol poisoning, which is why most cases that make it to hospital don’t die.

    That is not to say that I agree with the proposed restrictions – regular readers know my views about the increasing difficulty of getting decent pain relief legally. But paracetemol is wrongly believed by many people to be quite benign, even though (see the first reference above) it is the leading means of attempted suicide by adolescents and generates thousands of hospital admissions a year.

    It is much more likely to land people in hospital than aspirin or ibuprofen.

  2. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Ummm, no. Paracetemol is safe if used properly, but very toxic in large doses. It is quite easy to die, voluntarily or involuntarily, from an overdose of paracetemol.

    YES, LIKE EVERY OTHER ^%$#ING COMPOUND OR ELEMENT THAT EXISTS.

  3. Wallace

    We acknowledge the Wadawurrung people as the first inhabitants and traditional custodians of the lands on which This building stands.

  4. JC

    This is going to turn into a really bad pie night. I can feel it in the gristle.

  5. feelthebern

    In 10 years, California will be lucky to look this good.

  6. Knuckle Dragger

    Yesssssss…. and no.

    It is very difficult to unintentionally OD on Panadol. This is because it takes so much consumption. You can take upwards of 120 big old Panadol tablets, and still be conscious and aware, albeit fucked for life. You will eventually die from renal failure.

  7. DrBeauGan

    . If Arky lets his missus select the hookers he has to shower with, it could make for damn entertaining blogging.

    No chance. Taking a wife abroad ruins everything. Poor arky has such a dull life.

  8. Geriatric Mayfly

    We acknowledge the Wadawurrung people as the first inhabitants and traditional custodians of the lands on which This building stands.

    I think I can see where this is heading. Ground rents. Makes the original owners, the Dukes of Westminster very wealthy people.

  9. Cassie of Sydney

    “mh
    #3158326, posted on September 17, 2019 at 9:19 pm

    Cohenite, What’s even worse about Bolt is when someone like Milo comes here (currently banned) and starts attacking the left, Bolt starts attacking Milo. I don’t agree with Milo, he went too far … blah blah…
    Mark Steyn called Bolt a fair weather friend following his tour here circa 2006.”

    Andrew Bolt always wants to be nice….he suffers from this awful psychological impairment of wanting to be loved and respected by people who despise him and will NEVER respect him. Tonight when he called Flummery a “crank”….I laughed out loud….that’s the kind of “insult” my grandmother might have used…..Flummery is probably laughing. I like Andrew..but honestly sometimes I just think that he lacks spine.

  10. MatrixTransform

    Right now they hold 3 aces and a couple of kings

    that’s a shit hand in Hearts

  11. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Interesting, but full of ALP luvvie BS:

    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/tantalising-secrets-of-australia-s-intelligence-world-revealed-20190826-p52ku9.html

    Angleton was seriously going too far. Nixon had that ridiculous small business administration. He wasn’t exactly Milt F.

  12. Thefrollickingmole

    We must ban everything.
    Polliemuppetts first.
    No law should hit the books without fully investigating and retrospectively charging the lawmakers for violations.
    Maximum sentence/fine should be set at what they copped.
    And their families and pets as well.
    It’s for the children.

  13. Arky

    At Formosa Chang eating deep fried meats and drinking their proprietary plum juice.
    The plum juice has a deep smokey flavour like a good single malt.
    You can keep your cheap Cuban floosies man.

  14. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Plum juice.

    Phrasing, Ashley Schaeffer.

  15. notafan

    You are right KD.

    Probably why you can now buy one packet of 100 at but not buy two at Chemist warehouse.

    Very tedious opening that many blister packs too.

  16. Arky

    It has a picture of a bearded bloke on the bottle and is delicious.

  17. JC

    You know, this is a make of or break for oil. If the oil price doesn’t hold up with this long term threat to S A. causing some sort of risk premium to develop I reckon you can say goodbye to a high oil price in the future. it will mean there is tons of supply making up for a potential loss of S A

  18. egg_

    FASCIST TWITTER SUSPENDS SOCIAL JUSTICE HERO TITANIA MCGRATH

    Wot – no woke climate lectures?

  19. DrBeauGan

    So you prefer plum juice and bearded men to floozies, Arky? Whatever turns you on, man

  20. egg_

    You know, this is a make of or break for oil. If the oil price doesn’t hold up with this long term threat to S A. causing some sort of risk premium to develop I reckon you can say goodbye to a high oil price in the future. it will mean there is tons of supply making up for a potential loss of S A

    Are the Saudis messing with the market with these oil fires?

  21. cohenite

    Mark Steyn called Bolt a fair weather friend following his tour here circa 2006.

    Yeah, he’s gutless; he should have appealed that shit decision in the aboriginal 18C case. You can trace a lot of the left’s bravado back to that; and what is happening to poor old Gaynor.

  22. johanna

    It is very difficult to unintentionally OD on Panadol.

    Lots of those cases are kids, KD, and it is quite easy for them to OD by accident or by their stupid parents giving them too many. More generally, unless you believe that there are thousands of attempted suicides by paracetemol each year, how do you account for the number of hospital admissions?

  23. JC

    …he should have appealed that shit decision in the aboriginal 18C case.

    It’s a million dollars to front up to the High court in a case such as that.

  24. egg_

    Trump seemed to finger SA as identifying the source of the alleged drone strikes.

  25. egg_

    We’re getting a vid of 3 hookers washing down the bike?

  26. Cassie:

    Yep…and that is why Muesli women are often much more insidious and dangerous than the men.

    Truer words etc.
    Duplicitous is a kind pronoun for them.

  27. JC

    More generally, unless you believe that there are thousands of attempted suicides by paracetemol each year, how do you account for the number of hospital admissions?

    This is why Jezebel always fails in arguments and then tries to cover it up through lies, pathetic obfuscation and throwing sand around.

    We don’t know if the number is high or low as we need to know comparative usage rates of para vs other medication and that’s just a start. But lets ban it anyway, because it makes a troll feel good.

  28. Arky

    plum juice and bearded

    ..
    Don’t knock the bearded man plum juice until you have tried it.
    https://www.myguidetaipei.com/restaurants/formosa-chang

  29. twostix

    More generally, unless you believe that there are thousands of attempted suicides by paracetemol each year, how do you account for the number of hospital admissions?

    Over 75% of these admissions were due to deliberate overdose.

    This person sneered at the opioid epidemic in the US as being overblown btw.

  30. JC

    It’s pie dependent, Stix. It’s all in the feelz of the pie.

  31. Knuckle Dragger

    Stupid parents, johanna? Sure. Maybe. Kiddies may decide to throw down half a dozen or so, but are unlikely to go much further because they neither look like, nor taste like they thought.

    I would strongly suggest the admission numbers, as vague as they may be, would a) not solely be due to Panadol consumption only, and b) thus largely consist of idiots.

    Idiots who may or may not die in the short term, but live with their idiocy in big texta letters written on their guts next to their colostomy bags until they do.

  32. Knuckle Dragger

    Will Ferrell is a genius.

  33. JC

    You know, pretty much every drug sold over the counter is potentially lethal if abused.

  34. MatrixTransform

    Ragu,

    never ever say anything unless it’s recorded or there is a witness and diarise everything in minute detail.

    The mother of my kids milked me for 15 years and managed to get a a PhD while I worked my ring out.
    The day after she she got a real job … I called it.
    She tried it on with the lawyer bullshit and I stuck hard at 50/50.
    Thankfully the kids were old enough for support not to be an issue.
    I lost big time … but coulda been worse.
    Nasty BIG SHOT lesbian layer paid off in spades

    Mrs Pretty-but-poison a few years later tried it on in not dissimilar circumstances to your own.
    I spent 72 hrs reproducing docco, statements, etc demanded by her counsel.
    Every single last transaction and detail…exact tiny detail
    Witch never had a leg to stand on and I dug my heels in.
    Stopped talking to my my solicitor and waited the fucking mole out.
    I won.
    stupid bint.

    You got to know when to hold ’em
    Know when to fold ’em
    Know when to walk away
    And know when to run
    You never count your money
    When you’re sittin’ at the table
    There’ll be time enough for countin’
    When the dealing’s done

  35. twostix

    This is why Jezebel always fails in arguments and then tries to cover it up through lies, pathetic obfuscation and throwing sand around.

    There’s always an angle, in this case it’s the caricature “stupid parents”. “They so dumb!!!!11!!”.

    Back in reality its angsty attention seeking teenage girls who teary eyed pop handfuls of panadol while listening to shit music because modern life is just.so.hard for them.

  36. Thefrollickingmole

    Kipling short stories rock.

    Try without benefit of clergy, it’s a manly condensed Barbara Cartland tearjerker.
    Then dray wara yow dee, sort of an Afghan no country for old men type vengeance job.

    Great stuff.

  37. Some History

    ‘See you on the street!’ Greta Thunberg urges all to join Friday’s climate strike – video

    ‘Even though it is slow, the pace is picking up and the debate is shifting,’ 16-year-old Swedish climate activist Greta Thunberg tells a rapturous audience at George Washington University. Thunberg pioneered the Fridays for Future school climate strikes in August last year by staging a solo protest outside the Swedish parliament. The movement has since grown around the world. The next mass protest is on 20 September. ‘Activism works’, she says, before concluding: ‘See you on the street!’

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/video/2019/sep/17/see-you-on-the-street-greta-thunberg-urges-all-to-join-fridays-climate-strike-video

  38. MatrixTransform

    When I was 20 my Old Man was pretty stupid …

    …by the time I reached 30, I was amazed at how much he had learnt in such a short time

  39. Some History

    Greta Thunberg and Fridays For Future honoured by Amnesty International – watch live

    Amnesty International presents its 2019 Ambassador of Conscience Award to Swedish teen Greta Thunberg and the Fridays for Future Movement for their work bringing attention to the climate change movement

  40. Lazlo

    Loved Titania today mh. She is on Breitbart/Delingpole fuming about her twitter suspension. I particularly liked:

    “Like Nelson Mandela, I have been silenced for speaking truth to power. I think he was banned from twitter a few times as well”

    Great stuff.

  41. Knuckle Dragger:

    You can take upwards of 120 big old Panadol tablets, and still be conscious and aware, albeit fucked for life. You will eventually die from renal failure.

    The issue with taking a big dose of Panadol is that the person wakes up in the morning, feels OK, and thinks I didn’t take enough.
    Gets on with their life.
    Three days after ingestion they notice their eyes are going yellow and they don’t feel crash hot.
    By then it’s way to late to get the antidote to save their liver, and at the five day mark they’re in a coma – which is good, because their clotting factors which are made in the now shriveled and blackened liver mean they bleed out from every – and I mean every – orifice.
    Rather unpleasant for all concerned, especially the rels.

  42. JC

    mh

    thanks for the heads up on that medical schools piece in the WSJ.

  43. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Back in reality its angsty attention seeking teenage girls who teary eyed pop handfuls of panadol while listening to shit music because modern life is just.so.hard for them.

    Wow, that Billie Eilish is the deepest stuff ever composed.

    Billie: breathes

    14 yr olds: omg i could really feel the emotion in that

    Best meme ever.

  44. Some History

    Greta Thunberg is leading kids and adults from 150 countries in a massive Friday climate strike

    The international protest will come ahead of the UN Climate Action Summit.

    The New York strike is expected to attract thousands of people, and parallel strikes in DC, Boston, Seattle, Minneapolis, Miami, Los Angeles, and Denver may, too. But this is truly a global strike and it will be the movement’s largest yet, with 2,500 events scheduled across 150 countries. (The Global Climate Strike website has a searchable map showing all the events.) Millions in all may participate.

    With the UN Summit on Monday, this strike is aimed at getting countries to commit to tougher climate targets and faster transitions to renewable energy. Under the Paris agreement, countries agreed to work toward limiting global warming this century to less than 2 degrees Celsius above pre-industrial levels, but they set their own targets. At the time, the targets were not in line with the goal, but the expectation was that countries would gradually ramp up their ambitions in curbing greenhouse gas emissions over time. The upcoming UN summit is where countries are expected to present their new, more aggressive targets.
    “I look forward to welcoming young leaders like Greta Thunberg, and many others,” said UN Secretary General António Guterres in a press conference last month. “I am telling leaders, don’t come to the summit with beautiful speeches. Come with concrete plans, clear steps to enhance nationally determined contributions by 2020, and strategies for carbon neutrality by 2050.”
    However, greenhouse gas emissions are rising around the world, and the largest historical emitter of carbon dioxide, the US, is trying to leave the Paris accord.

    RTWT

    https://www.vox.com/2019/9/17/20864740/greta-thunberg-youth-climate-strike-fridays-future

  45. johanna

    My point was that Dot’s insouciant comment that paracetemol is the safest pain killer around is simply not true – 95,000 hospital admissions in eight years tells a different story. His facetious response that the same goes for any drug is ludicrous – tens of thousands of people are not being hospitalised with aspirin or ibuprofen poisoning, whether by accident or design.

    Any imagined extensions by others of that point are the product of their febrile brainpans.

  46. Thefrollickingmole

    I’m guessing this is during school time, unlike the “ hundreds” who saw her at the UN a couple people f weeks ago?

  47. Oh come on

    Own goal?

    Really?

    He has put the stories to the sword so to speak.

    They are just generic bullshit. Anyone ripping into him is simply defending lies.

    Dot, don’t be so autistic. Shapiro mentioned that one of Slick Willy’s accusers described his junk, and Stormy Daniels also went there with Trump, and thus implied that Kavanaugh’s accusers ought to be able to do the same about his nether regions and the fact they haven’t must mean something.

    Now, you might say I’m totally misrepresenting what Shapiro was on about. Okay, for argument’s sake let’s say I am. SHAPIRO IS STILL RAISING THE QUESTION ABOUT THE FORM OF THIS POOR MAN’S PRIVATES! If you’re on Kavanaugh’s side and you’re trying to help, you clearly don’t go there. It’s obvious. It’s the last place you should go.

    Do your best to not be autistic about this, dot.

  48. Knuckle Dragger

    Bloody hell Winston.

    I was trying to be delicate.

  49. dover_beach

    I really can’t believe this Greta hoopla. It’s insane.

  50. Thefrollickingmole

    Paracetamol is badly promoted.
    I see people taking short term minor overdoses all the time for severe but manageable pain.
    It’s relatively easy for me to get a doc to do a short term script for some more powerful and effective relief. A lot of accidental overdoses is people managing long term pain.
    Panadol is great, but if you need it for more than 3 days then it’s time to get more long term management or cure in place.

  51. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Paracetamol is nearly a 1 bn USD a year industry and doses in developing countries cost less than 0.01 USD per dose.

    Under 12,000 admissions per year; (I presume this is for Australia) without reporting co-morbidities or pre-existing mental illnesses?

    The risk is exceptionally overblown. If you want people to have cheap, possibly free pain relief that doesn’t have long term effects on liver health, legalise marijuana.

    If you want to stop people using meth and opioids, legalise marijuana. Or at least stop taxing the shit out of alcohol and tobacco, you greedy, thieving pigs.

    These pharmacist swindlers want ALL drugs as prescription only. It is a massive crock of shit.

    Look at the survey. NSAIDs and paracetamol. Codeine already S4 (only recent).

    How long until lidocaine and aspirin are S4?

  52. MatrixTransform

    Paracetamol

    you can buy it at Woolworths … I’m surprised we aren’t all dead

    /Litotes

  53. Oh come on

    No one was questioning if Kavanaugh’s accusers might be able to identify him based upon the shape of his genitals. Not until Ben Shapiro publicly wondered why they haven’t, which

    a) means they now will

    AND

    b) is a bloody weird thing to wonder about

  54. mh

    Neon green should never be seen

    Sean Spicer debuts on ‘Dancing With the Stars’ shimmying to Spice Girls song in neon-green ruffled shirt

    https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/sean-spicer-dancing-with-the-stars-spice-girls

  55. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Cardinal George Pell lodges High Court appeal

    Tessa Akerman
    Reporter
    @TessaAkerman
    22 minutes ago September 17, 2019

    George Pell’s lawyers say the fallen­ cardinal was asked to prove the impossible by two appeal court judges.

    His high-powered legal team lodged a High Court challenge on Tuesday to his conviction, arguing that Victoria’s Court of Appeal mistakenly reversed the onus of proof when hearing his case, ­forcing him to prove it was impossible for him to sexually assault two choirboys in a cathedral.

    In their application, Pell’s barristers Bret Walker SC and Ruth Shann said the two judges in Victoria’s Court of Appeal who upheld­ Pell’s convictions “erred by finding their belief in the complainant required (Pell) to establish the offending was impossible in order to raise and leave a doubt”.

    They further argued that there was reasonable doubt about the existence of an opportunity for the attack to have occurred.

    Pell was found guilty by a jury last year of sex offences against two teenage choirboys at St ­Patrick’s Cathedral after Solemn Mass in Melbourne in 1996 while he was archbishop.

    One of the former choirboys gave evidence at Pell’s trials; the other died in 2014 from a drug overdose, which his family says was linked to post-traumatic stress disorder from the abuse.

    Pell’s appeal to the Victorian Court of Appeal was rejected last month in a 2-1 majority decision.

    Chief judge Anne Ferguson and the president of the court Chris Maxwell found the surviving choirboy and complainant in the case was a truthful witness and the conviction should stand.

    But judge Mark Weinberg found the complainant embellished his account at times and argued that Pell should be acquitted.

    Pell’s legal team had 28 days after the Victorian Court of Appeal judgment to lodge a High Court appeal, and they filed it with one day to spare.

    Lawyers for the father of the deceased­ boy said their client was “beyond disappointed” that Pell had taken the fight further.

    “This painful period of his life is simply not coming to an end, which continues to take a toll on his health,” they said. “Every time Pell takes his legal fight to the next level, our client is reminded of the disgusting abuse he inflicted on his son as a young choirboy.”

    Pell remains in the Melbourne Assessment Prison. There is no guarantee the High Court will hear his case; that decision will be made by a panel of two or three judges in a special leave hearing.

    In their appeal application, Pell’s legal team claim Justices Ferguson and Maxwell, referred to as the majority, examined each piece of evidence in isolation to determine whether the jury should doubt the allegations. The lawyers claim this was an error in approach that “infected” the treatment of the body of evidence, which contradicted the choirboy’s account.

    From the Oz.

  56. Some History

    I really can’t believe this Greta hoopla. It’s insane.

    It gets worse.

    Climate campaigner delivers copies of Greta Thunberg’s book to all Isle of Wight secondary schools

    EVERY secondary school on the Isle of Wight has been gifted four copies of Greta Thunberg’s book No One is Too Small to Make a Difference.
    Climate campaigner Julie Hutchison, of Ventnor, delivered the books on Thursday.
    She had been given a donation of 20 tote bags emblazoned with the words Power to the Peaceful and was asked to do some good with them.
    She sold them at Rhythmtree Festival to raise money to get the books into the schools.
    Julie said: “My husband had bought me a copy of Greta Thunberg’s book for my birthday.
    “I’ve always been in awe at what Greta has achieved, in a year she has started the school strike movement which has now gone global.
    “I’ve asked that the books be put in the school libraries so the children can read Greta’s thoughts and feelings, and hopefully be inspired by her to act.
    “The climate and ecological crisis we now face is extremely worrying.
    “A recent study said that 85 per cent of people are worried about the climate crisis.
    “In the letter I gave to the schools to accompany the books, I explained why I have done this, for my own children.
    “I want them to have a great future. They changed my life for the better the moment they were born, and I want to do everything I can for them.
    “I am so pleased the Isle of Wight now has a youth movement, Fridays for Future Isle of Wight.”
    A general strike has been called by Greta on September 20, and an IW one will happen at St Thomas’ Square in Newport at 11am.
    Julie said: “Many children are suffering with climate anxiety and I feel children should be heard.”

    https://www.countypress.co.uk/news/17902981.climate-campaigner-delivers-copies-greta-thunberg-39-s-book-isle-wight-secondary-schools/

  57. JC

    We have friends whose daughter killed herself with an overdose of Panadol. From memory, she swallowed three packs of the stuff and the docs couldn’t save her although it was touch and go.

    I reckon that if you swallow three packs of anything sold over the counter you’re pretty close to gonsky.

  58. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Now, you might say I’m totally misrepresenting what Shapiro was on about. Okay, for argument’s sake let’s say I am. SHAPIRO IS STILL RAISING THE QUESTION ABOUT THE FORM OF THIS POOR MAN’S PRIVATES! If you’re on Kavanaugh’s side and you’re trying to help, you clearly don’t go there. It’s obvious. It’s the last place you should go.

    Do your best to not be autistic about this, dot.

    Quit your bullshit. Tell me about “the last place you should go” and “going nuclear”?

    Or are you going to claim that Steve Bannon can be right and wrong at the same time?

  59. cohenite

    It’s greta’s time; this is either the beginning of the end of this craze or it’s going to find new gears; the current drought is giving it legs but come the first black out poltot may be relegated to catatonia.

  60. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    I reckon that if you swallow three packs of anything sold over the counter you’re pretty close to gonsky.

    All drugs will now be given out IV every six hours at the neighbourhood chemist.

    It’s the only way.

  61. C.L.

    Greta’s handlers are a lot like pedda files. A lot like them. I would go so far as to say they are political pedda files. As they hustle her in front of another camera, in another exotic location, then coach her to mouth another corny script, they reassure detractors (and each other) that she loves it. Make no mistake: when she breaks down or challenges the script, they will dump her and right quick.

  62. JC

    Oh come on
    #3158397, posted on September 17, 2019 at 10:58 pm

    No one was questioning if Kavanaugh’s accusers might be able to identify him based upon the shape of his genitals. Not until Ben Shapiro publicly wondered why they haven’t, which

    a) means they now will

    AND

    b) is a bloody weird thing to wonder about

    Get a load of the accusation though. How do you push male genitals onto a victim?

    A former Yale classmate told senators and the FBI that he saw Kavanaugh with his pants down at a drunken party where friends pushed his genitals onto a female student, the newspaper says.

    Did his friends actually detach his genitals?

  63. cohenite

    Beauty sleep beckons but I’ll leave you with this about how the other half lives:

    Police are appealing for help in finding a missing four-month-old baby and his mother.

    Raph Swinkels was last seen with his mother Brittany Lee about 6pm on Monday, in Seaford, in Melbourne’s south-east.

    Maybe it’s a bad angle but Brittany Lee is a sight to behold.

  64. Thefrollickingmole

    C.L.
    There was some footage a few weeks back at aces where they had pol tot rolling her eyes and twitching her face like a mare on elephant juice.
    Her “minders” quickly shuffled her back while an adult took over the limelight.

  65. C.L.

    friends pushed his genitals onto a female student

    He must have enormous genitals.
    Even if it happened, who give a shit?
    How do we know Ruth Baader–Meinhof didn’t get her boobs out while breakdancing to Al Jolson back in the 30s?

  66. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘friends pushed his genitals onto a female student’

    How did this happen? Pushed with what? A blunt stick? A leftover bit of pizza? A wheelbarrow?

    If there was touching, I hope to God Kav’s mates were carrying Aces of Spades in their pockets for just such an emergency.

  67. JC

    He must have enormous genitals.

    As massive as pumpkins they grow in the US for show in the fall. His friends were pushing them along a field until they reached the victim… then pushed them unto her.

  68. C.L.

    There was some footage a few weeks back at aces where they had pol tot rolling her eyes and twitching her face like a mare on elephant juice.

    Yes, I saw it.
    My concern is that she thinks she is acquiring a confidence in situations and crowds that rests entirely upon sappy condescension and ideological usury. When this rug is pulled out from under her (as it will be), it will be an existentially catastrophic shock.

  69. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Bruce Pascoe’s Dark Emu is pollies’ pick
    Linda Morris
    By Linda Morris
    September 17, 2019 — 7.30pm

    Bruce Pascoe’s ground-breaking account of the birth of agriculture in Australia, which challenged the idea Aboriginal people were merely hunter-gatherers was the first pick of the inaugural Parliamentary Book Club.

    Federal parliamentarians will read the 2014 awarding-winning non-fiction book after the public has been given the chance to nominate books written by an Australian and published in the past five years.

    Public nominations came via 16 politicians, including Independent MP Dr Helen Haines, Minister for Education Dan Tehan, Labor Senator Kim Carr, Greens leader Richard Di Natale and Senator Rex Patrick from South Australia’s Centre Alliance Party.

    Parliamentary Book Club co-chair Liberal Senator Hollie Hughes, who along with Labor’s Graham Perrett led the initiative, said Dark Emu had been a front runner from the start.

    “I just love that even in this digital age, the power of books and reading and the way it connects people remains so strong,” she said. “Bruce Pascoe has obviously captured the imagination of Australians in his telling of our Indigenous history and the land and making the reader consider and understand the level of agricultural sophistication that was being practised.”

    Hughes said she looked forward to the bipartisan discussion at book club.

    “These are the debates that aren’t often had in Parliament so it will be good to see how we go when discussing books, not policy.”

    The initiative was the work of the Australian Publishers’ Association, Books Create Australia, a coalition of book industry peak bodies, and the newly reconvened Parliamentary Friends of Australian Books and Writers. It aimed to promote public interest in reading and create new avenues of deep political engagement with Australia’s best writers and thinkers.

    Dark Emu explored sophisticated land management systems of pre-colonial Aboriginal society and called for a recognition of this past in order to address Australia’s shared future.

    From the Sydney Moaning Hemorrhoid. “The birth of agriculture in Australia.” So the indigenous invented minimum till and broadacre cropping?

  70. Fat Tony

    Drink enough water and it will kill you. You don’t need paracetamol or anything other drug.

  71. Steve trickler

    Property developers could screw the show. I’ve no problem with that.

    4 years in,



  72. Knuckle Dragger

    There appears to be some sort of punch on going on in the background on Sky. The poor punter hosting it is carrying on regardless.

  73. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘Bruce Pascoe has obviously captured the imagination of Australians’

    Bang on.

  74. Steve trickler

    Property developers could screw the show.

    So be it.



  75. JC

    I think… this is a good thing.

    In their home state, New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio is just as unpopular as President Trump, according to a poll released Tuesday.

    Mr. de Blasio, a Democrat who is running for president and frequently criticizes Mr. Trump, was viewed favorably by 25% of the 798 New York voters surveyed last week by the Siena College Research Institute. Fifty-seven percent of respondents around the state had an unfavorable view of Mr. de Blasio. In the five boroughs, 33% of voters viewed Mr. de Blasio favorably compared with 58% who viewed him unfavorably.

  76. dover_beach

    Can we have that Ace link of Greta?

  77. JC

    These D’rat women want to impeach judge Brett.\

    Several Democratic presidential candidates, including Sens. Elizabeth Warren (Mass.) and Kamala Harris (Calif.), former Rep. Beto O’Rourke (Texas) and former Cabinet secretary Julián Castro, have called for Kavanaugh’s impeachment since the weekend.

    So, too, has progressive icon Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.).

    Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) has said he would “support any appropriate constitutional mechanism” to make Kavanaugh “accountable.”

  78. Thefrollickingmole

    Dark emu is steaming pile of supposition based on early settlers using farming terminology to describe largely hunter gatherer practices.
    Simple way to refute it. Where was the surplus population & storage?

  79. Arky

    No one was questioning if Kavanaugh’s accusers might be able to identify him based upon the shape of his genitals.

    ..
    Penis shaped, surely?
    ..
    And you all mocked me last year for making a big thing about who waved their penis in Debbie’s face.
    But like almost everything else, I was right.
    They just can’t let go of Brett’s cock. They dream of conservative cock.

  80. Lazlo

    JC: when it comes to eyes and doctors you need to be very, very careful. I had a session with my cardiologist today (who diagnosed my need for a stent 8 months ago) but also messed with my blood pressure medication leading to an Ischemic Optic Nerve event – took out 3/8th of the vision in my left eye. He backed off very quickly and said he would see me in a year’s time.

    You need to see an ophthalmologist specialist.

  81. JC

    Lazlo

    Okay, okay.

    I called my GP’s office and asked them to obtain the diagnosis from the E&E hospital and then go in and get referral to an eye dude.

    Look, this shit happened over Friday night and woke up with the problem, so I was proactive going off to the E&E the Sat morning. I was cool because the ER dude sounded like he knew his shit. But I am getting a second opinion.

  82. Some History

    It’s Greta’s World
    But it’s still burning. The extraordinary rise of a 16-year-old, and her Hail Mary climate movement.

    http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/09/greta-thunberg-climate-change-movement.html

  83. JC

    Dave Rubin’s right. The US doesn’t just need a southern wall, it also needs a big beautiful wall on the northern border. Just get a load of this fucking imbecile. Just get a load of him.

    https://twitter.com/RubinReport/status/1173766222795567104

  84. Lazlo

    If part of your vision is now not working then you have a problem with your optic nerve, not the front of your eye. If this is due to Giant Cell Arteritis then you need to seek treatment very quickly, from a specialist, you can afford it.

  85. Steve trickler

    Oops, for the double up.

  86. Lazlo

    I am not trying to scare you JC, just sharing my own recent experience.

    If you have loss of vision you must seek appropriate help – an ophthalmologist – immediately. Because if it is GSA then you are at imminent risk of further damage.

    In my case a biopsy cleared me of GSA. But I now live with permanently reduced vision.

  87. Hazmatic

    Ah, Areff!

    Last I visited your fair City was in 2012 for the launch of Frank Mount’s fantastic memoir “Wrestling with Asia.” Frank Mount – Four Paws.

    I’m reasonably certain that there is nothing in Frank Mount’s memoir that the PhD student is likely to plagiarise in the gratuitous way he delved into Barrie Crowley’s…

    I know a little bit about the “New Establishment’s authorised and approved historians”, that you have described.

    I know enough to suggest that the PhD student ought to cast his net more widely when it comes to his secondary sources.

    The PhD student posted a reading list recently that sadly did not include anything by Frank Mount, but pretty much went:

    Dapin, O’Brien, Ravenscroft, Ekins and McNeill, Dapin, Gammage, Dapin, Dapin, Dapin, Dapin, Dapin, Dapin, Dapin, Dapin…

    I’ll get around to problems surrounding Dapin’s work eventually. Humour me. I do intend to do the PhD student slowly…

    He will be held to the same standard that Hal Colebatch was held to. Every T and every I. 😉

    Suffice to say as background that Dapin’s UNSW PhD supervisor was Jeff Grey. Jeff Grey – Four Paws.
    Sadly, taken from us 3 years ago.

    Apropos of nothing, the PhD student’s immediate boss, before he was ‘promoted’ to projectionist was Doug Gibbons who answered to Greg Warland who then answered to Ron Grey – Jeff Grey’s dad. Ron Grey – Four Paws also.

    Jeff Grey’s funeral was conducted by Tom Frame. Tom Frame – Four Paws.

    I know enough to accept that the “New Establishment’s authorised and approved historians” really do constitute the broadest church possible for the bubble that is Canberra.

    I know enough to know that the most useful history work that has come out of UNSW Canberra in the past decade regarding Vietnam has been produced by Bob Hall.

    I know enough to know that every criticism you made of John Blaxland’s work was both valid and necessary.

    One final observation; in the conversations I have had, Craig Stockings seems to enjoy his notoriety as the enfant terrible of ‘ANZACKERY’ but is actually quite personable. Probably never going to win a four paws award but a good bloke all the same.

    Let’s start again shall we?

  88. Ubique

    So the indigenous invented minimum till and broadacre cropping?

    When Captain Cook arrived the locals had already invented the combine harvester and were exporting bulk grain to markets in North Asia.

  89. Lazlo

    You woke up with the problem JC? So did I.

    In my case, it was likely a nocturnal hypotension event, ie low blood pressure, I believe due to my cardiologist messing with my tablets.

  90. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I know enough to suggest that the PhD student ought to cast his net more widely when it comes to his secondary sources.

    The PhD student posted a reading list recently that sadly did not include anything by Frank Mount, but pretty much went:

    Dapin, O’Brien, Ravenscroft, Ekins and McNeill, Dapin, Gammage, Dapin, Dapin, Dapin, Dapin, Dapin, Dapin, Dapin, Dapin…

    I’ll get around to problems surrounding Dapin’s work eventually. Humour me. I do intend to do the PhD student slowly…

    More popcorn, anyone?

  91. areff

    Anyone visiting Hazmatic’s residence would be well advised not to sample the biscuits. Very soggy.

  92. JC

    Lazlo

    I’m gate crashing an eye specialist tomorrow.

  93. Mark A

    Socrates at the Pub
    #3157746, posted on September 17, 2019 at 12:18 pm

    You have to log in:
    https://watch.australiachannel.com.au/page/5c4a58e923eec6001a7a24b9

    You also have to be outside Australia.

    Thanks for the link, just watched it and she is one impressive Lady with a capital L

  94. Mark A

    This is one of the reasons what killed the car manufacturing in OZ.
    The unions would not allow full implementation, so I was told by someone in the ‘know’.
    True? I don’t know.

  95. JC:

    We have friends whose daughter killed herself with an overdose of Panadol. From memory, she swallowed three packs of the stuff and the docs couldn’t save her although it was touch and go.

    I’m going by memory here – the smallest fatal dose was 13 grams = 26x500mg tabs. But that’s a really small dose to actually do oneself in.
    I’m assuming the person who did themselves in must have been very small ?<50kg or had some co morbidity.
    60 tabs seems adequate to kill a young woman.
    Sad.

  96. Mark A

    Mark A
    #3158444, posted on September 18, 2019 at 12:35 am

    Socrates at the Pub

    Even better I didn’t know this but now I can access all of SKY news on that website, just by logging in with my FB ID. (being OS probably why?)
    Bolt an all, not that I have the time, but it’s nice to know I can, if someone calls attention to an interesting item.

  97. Stimpson J. Cat

    Arky was your wife really Made in Taiwan?
    😂

  98. None

    As I said. We don’t have a justice system or even a legal system. We just have a bunch of felons on the bench.

    Paramedic basher’s sentence to be appealed

    After sparking outrage across Victoria, the sentence of paramedic basher James Haberfield will be appealed after he dodged jail over the brutal attack that left a traumatised emergency worker unable to return to work.

  99. Top Ender

    ….was viewed favorably by 25% of the 798 New York voters surveyed last week….

    And opinion polls have been so reliable both in the USA and Oz thatmaybe no-one trusts them any more.

    Except those conducting them seem to have successfully avoided collapse.

  100. Mark A

    David from Canberra
    #3158455, posted on September 18, 2019 at 3:09 am

    SBS: Adelaide butcher refuses to remove ‘non halal’ sign after it was found to be offensive

    I really don’t understand the fuss about this, say I have a cake shop and advertise it as a “Gluten free” cake shop.

    What’s wrong with that?
    Same as non halal.
    What’s the big deal?

  101. Cold-Hands

    Tailgunner
    #3158059, posted on September 17, 2019 at 5:25 pm

    Here it is without the padding:
    DONALD TRUMP RALLY IN COSTA MESA CALIFORNIA. FULL VIDEO. APRIL 28, 2016
    1:04:13

  102. Zatara

    Mr. de Blasio, a Democrat who is running for president and frequently criticizes Mr. Trump, was viewed favorably by 25% of the 798 New York voters surveyed last week by the Siena College Research Institute. Fifty-seven percent of respondents around the state had an unfavorable view of Mr. de Blasio. In the five boroughs, 33% of voters viewed Mr. de Blasio favorably compared with 58% who viewed him unfavorably.

    And yet the voters of NYC, those five boroughs mentioned above, re-elected him in 2017 with 66.5% of the vote.

    The voters seem a bit umm, malleable.

  103. Mark A

    I suppose those were individual ‘nations’ speaking a separate and distinct language, leave the dialects out of it for the time being.
    How and with whom are we going to sign a treaty?

    Indigenous Australian languages today
    More than 250 Indigenous Australian languages including 800 dialectal varieties were spoken on the continent at the time of European settlement in 1788.

  104. Snoopy

    The majority of the Ad Standards Community Panel agreed that the sign made fun of halal certification and was offensive and “demeaning to people who are of that faith and Muslim ethnicity”, adding that there was no such thing as “non halal” certification.

    The sign didn’t even include the term “non halal”. How incompetently desperate was the panel to signal their absolute dhimmification?

  105. Snoopy

    The majority of the Ad Standards Community Panel agreed that the sign made fun of halal certification and was offensive and “demeaning to people who are of that faith and Mooslim ethnicity”, adding that there was no such thing as “non halal” certification.

    The sign didn’t even include the term “non halal”. How incompetently desperate was the panel to signal their absolute dhimmification?

  106. Mark A

    Live updates || Israel Election 2019: Netanyahu Fails to Secure Ruling Majority, Gantz in the Lead, Exit Polls Show.
    Waiting with baited breath.

  107. 2dogs

    SBS: Adelaide butcher refuses to remove ‘non halal’ sign after it was found to be offensive

    So where are Sikh’s supposed to buy their meat?

  108. Mater

    “Not Halal Certified”

    Surely the butcher should be lauded for his concern for their religious adherence.
    Should we ban “might contain nuts”, “vegan friendly”, etc?
    Consumers can’t have too much information!

  109. Bruce of Newcastle

    Spooner puts the boot in to a big Aussie Canute.

  110. Herodotus

    Alcohol bad for you?
    Sure. But I’m retired, probably only have 15 years to go anyway.
    The Rumpole dictum might find some friends here. It went along the lines of “there’s not one human pleasure worth going without in exchange for a few more years in the Sunset Home at Weston Super-Mare.”

  111. Mark A

    Herodotus
    #3158483, posted on September 18, 2019 at 6:35 am

    Alcohol bad for you?
    Sure. But I’m retired, probably only have 15 years to go anyway.
    The Rumpole dictum might find some friends here. It went along the lines of “there’s not one human pleasure worth going without in exchange for a few more years in the Sunset Home at Weston Super-Mare.”

    Agree, +

  112. Johno

    In the event of overdose, the likelihood of serious hepatic injury can be estimated by knowing the amount taken and the weight of the patient. Ingested dose Likelihood of serious toxicity 250 mg/kg Likely (potentially fatal) Therefore, for a 70 kg man, 150 mg x 70 kg = 10.5 g = 21 tablets constitute a significant overdose

    From the Drs Net.UK.

    Seems about right. My Doc told me 20 tabs of 500 g would do the trick.

  113. Top Ender

    A state’s system of  justice put on trial
    CHRIS MERRITT

    Bret Walker SC is an old-fashioned stickler for precise legal language. That is why his clinical evisceration of the judges who ruled against George Pell is so effective.

    Without a skerrick of emotion or one wasted word, Walker has torn the guts out of the Court of Appeal majority who rejected the cardinal’s appeal against convictions for sexually assaulting choirboys.

    The special leave application drawn up by Walker and barrister Ruth Shann leads to an unstated but obvious conclusion: two of Victoria’s most senior judges utterly botched the cardinal’s case, not just on the facts but on the law.

    For the two judges who formed the majority, Chief Justice Anne Ferguson and Court of Appeal president Chris Maxwell, this document will make extremely difficult reading.

    Walker is widely regarded as one of the nation’s greatest lawyers. Yet his signature appears at the end of a document that accuses Ferguson and Maxwell of effectively reversing the onus of proof, engaging in “unorthodox reasoning”, “circular reasoning” and “erroneous judicial method”.

    If the High Court agrees to hear this appeal, it will need to grapple with those arguments and determine whether the judicial method demonstrated by Ferguson and Maxwell is actually as flawed as Walker and Shann believe.

    The stakes are staggeringly high. This affair now concerns not just the freedom of a cardinal but the continued public standing of Victoria’s top judges and the man who might well be the nation’s greatest lawyer.

    If the assessment of Walker and Shann is accepted by the High Court, it will amount to a crippling blow for Ferguson and Maxwell.

    But consider the position of Walker and Shann. If this appeal fails, they will stand accused by their peers of making extraordinary assertions — amounting to judicial ineptitude — against the two most senior judges in Victoria.

    Whoever loses this argument will forever be damaged goods.

    But as things stand now, Walker and Shann have the better argument.

    It does look as though the cardinal has been the victim of a shocking miscarriage of justice.

    In order to succeed, Pell’s legal team merely needed to show there was a reasonable doubt about the prosecution’s case.

    The onus of proof was up to the prosecution; it was not up to the cardinal to prove his innocence.

    Yet the special leave application asserts that the Court of Appeal majority decided the cardinal’s fate on the improper basis that it was up to the defence to prove that the prosecution case was impossible.

    If this is what happened — and a conclusive ruling is up to the High Court — it will devastate Victoria’s system of criminal justice.

    CHRIS MERRITT
    LEGAL AFFAIRS EDITOR
    Chris Merritt has been legal affairs editor at The Australian since 2005. He was previously at the Financial Review.

    Oz link but no comments allowed of course

  114. Mark A

    Johno
    #3158488, posted on September 18, 2019 at 7:15 am

    Seems about right. My Doc told me 20 tabs of 500 g would do the trick.

    Not sure you could manage that much in weight.
    That’s more than a pound.

  115. calli

    Climate campaigner delivers copies of Greta Thunberg’s book to all Isle of Wight secondary schools

    Anyone remember the Little Red Schoolbook?

    My old headmistress (at a lower north shore high school) banned it and threatened to expell anyone who had it.

    My, how times change.

  116. Johno

    Should a been mg not gram. 20 x500 mg is about 1/2 an oz.

  117. Snoopy

    Without a skerrick of emotion or one wasted word, Walker has torn the guts out of the Court of Appeal majority who rejected the cardinal’s appeal against convictions for sexually assaulting choirboys.

    Pfft. Louise Milligan is sure that Pell victim ‘J’ is 100% truthy.

  118. Snoopy

    How much a week do you tithe to the Grauniad, Bob?

  119. struth

    Good moaning.

    They sre brsinwsshing and sexually confusing and sbusing our nation’s children because their parents suffered just slightly less indoctrination.

    It all starts in our schools.

    Call out the left wing factories producing the weapons to take down our civilisation.
    Don’t wait to fight the journalists and politicians they produce.

  120. Mark A

    Johno
    #3158498, posted on September 18, 2019 at 7:26 am

    Should a been mg not gram. 20 x500 mg is about 1/2 an oz.

    Only joshing Johno.

  121. struth

    S equals A …….Bloody small phone.

  122. struth

    Albury to Adelaide vis the hell hole of Sydney Airport.
    I wonder where my luggage will end up.

  123. calli

    On the exploitation of Greta.

    Jackie Coogan’s mother was an actress too.

    It’s all about the money. With a side serve of Munchausens by proxy.

    The thing stinks to high heaven. There is little difference between the parading of a child with mental issues as a “drag queen” and the “climate warrior”. The whiff of abuse is strong in this one.

  124. mh

    From the Age

    House prices fall in June quarter, consumer sentiment tumbles

    But do not fear…

    RBA moves towards rate cut as consumer sentiment darkens

    Hurrah!

  125. calli

    Will the torrential rain that fell on the east coast over the past 24 hours be dubbed “climate emergency” like the deliberately lit bushfires, or doesn’t it count?

    #makeallextremesequal

  126. jupes

    A South Australian butchery has refused to take down a controversial window sticker which read “non halal certified” after the advertising regulatory body found it to be offensive and said it “incited hatred” towards Muslims last month.

    In response, the butchers said the sign was not intended to cause malice and was simply stating a fact.

    “As long as we own the shop the sign won’t ever come down,” they said, with hundreds of people commenting in support.

    Champions.

  127. 1735099

    Back in the day, (1966) Opperman demonstrates both his arrogance and ignorance with this comment at an ANZAC Day service –

    The’ Minister for Immigration, Mr Opperman, in an Anzac Day address today, backed Government policy in sending troops to Vietnam.
    “Distances have shrunk and danger is closer to our shores,” he said, “and if we have always gone abroad to meet it there has never been a period when the same practice is more essential than in the current situation.”
    On conscription, “There have always been conscripts. “Volunteers of the past
    had to be conscripts of their own conscience.”

    He was obviously worried that the Vietnamese navy was about to launch an invasion.
    You’ve got to love his novel angle on “all conscripts are volunteers”.
    It’s up there with the opt-out parade myth.
    The comment about conscience obviously fell on deaf ears.
    History records that he was not apparently overwhelmed with hordes of young Aussies enlisting as a consequence of having a guilty conscience.
    Must be something about immigration ministers and stupidity.

  128. Mark A

    1735099
    #3158512, posted on September 18, 2019 at 7:45 am

    Once again Bob, against my better judgement, why don’t you give the Vietnam connection/context a rest?
    Not only are you proven wrong 90% of the time, but it bores the living daylight out of us ordinary visitors to this noble forum.

    Please?

  129. Des Deskperson

    ‘SBS: Adelaide butcher refuses to remove ‘non halal’ sign after it was found to be offensive’

    My understanding is that:

    the sign read, “non halal certified” and features a picture of a kangaroo and an emu.

    the Advertising Standards Board community panel decided that the wording was ridiculing of halal certification and that this was offensive and demeaning.’Not halal approved’ would have been preferable.

    the sign has now been changed to ‘not-halal approved’. According to a Board spokesperson, “It would appear from media reports that the advertiser has modified the advertisement in line with the determination of the community panel,”

    So that’s where it sits at the moment. My own view is that the pictures of ‘Aussie icons’ a kangaroo and an emu were at least arguably unnecessary and provocative .

  130. Bruce of Newcastle

    It all starts in our schools.

    Probably the least surprising headline of the day is this one:

    Pupils Accuse Teachers of Spreading Anti-Brexit Propaganda at School

    Pupils at a high school in Slough have accused their teachers of peddling anti-Brexit “propaganda”, expressing concern that their biased, political views could “mould the minds” of younger children who are yet to form their own opinions.

    The sixth form students at St Joseph’s Catholic High School told the Metro that teachers have told them supporting a second referendum “would be in their interest” as they are “all going to lose their jobs” because of Brexit.

    I think the idea that the teachers are “all going to lose their jobs” because of Brexit is an excellent reason for Brexit as soon as possible.

  131. John Constantine

    If we accept that panadol overdose is now a huge issue among teenage girls, so bad it requires rationing:

    Isn’t it this imperative that we also ration the climate panic and political psychosis that is deliberately targeting young girls and driving them to suicide?.

    We see every dirty leftist trick on social media is cunning and manipulative in driving tween girls into hatred and self loathing.

    Basically telling them that the final solution for them and their culture is suicide because they are the worst people that have ever lived.

    Swallow panadol because the planet is dying and men are hurting Annabella the Cow.

    Leftism is hate speech against tween girls, analysis of panadol overdoses proves this.

  132. Mark A

    Des Deskperson
    #3158516, posted on September 18, 2019 at 7:53 am

    So that’s where it sits at the moment. My own view is that the pictures of ‘Aussie icons’ a kangaroo and an emu were at least arguably unnecessary and provocative .

    Provocative?
    Please explain.

  133. Stimpson J. Cat

    So that’s where it sits at the moment. My own view is that the pictures of ‘Aussie icons’ a kangaroo and an emu were at least arguably unnecessary and provocative .

    It’s because they were stupid.
    They shouldn’t have used kangaroo and emu pictures unless they sold kangaroo and emu meat, and they should also have included pictures of all the other animals whose meat they sold, just to be truly inclusive.
    😁

  134. mh

    Once again Bob, against my better judgement, why don’t you give the Vietnam connection/context a rest?

    😆

  135. Stimpson J. Cat

    But they should really test this and put up a “non kosher certified” sign in the interests of balance.
    The results would be fascinating.
    😁

  136. Mater

    My own view is that the pictures of ‘Aussie icons’ a kangaroo and an emu were at least arguably unnecessary and provocative .

    Would a Pig have been better?

  137. Dave in Marybrook

    Local biltong man- let’s call him “Roadkill Pete”- had similar No Halal No Kosher signs up on his market stall, with a red circle and diagonal bar across some Ayrabic and Hebro script.
    The market manager argued it would be distressing to mussies and Joos- he argued it was little different to the flummery decorating every second stall against animal cosmetic testing or caged chooks or glyphostate killing feral honeybees.

  138. Stimpson J. Cat

    Why stop there, in fact?
    A “Non Vegan certified” sign as well.
    Just to be sure.
    😂

  139. jupes

    My own view is that the pictures of ‘Aussie icons’ a kangaroo and an emu were at least arguably unnecessary and provocative .

    The pitch perfect example of how the surrender documents will be presented to our M*sl*m overlords.

  140. Mother Lode

    Climate campaigner delivers copies of Greta Thunberg’s book to all Isle of Wight secondary schools

    In other news, British Rail has announced a new approach in planning, staffing, fare structures, future infrastructure and rolling stock, having acquired the rights to “The Little Engine That Could”.

  141. P

    @ 11:11 pm

    There was some footage a few weeks back at aces where they had pol tot rolling her eyes and twitching her face like a mare on elephant juice.

    @ 11:22 pm

    Can we have that Ace link of Greta?

    Perhaps it was this vid from Ace’s link here, just under the Hillary pics.

  142. Mark A

    jupes
    #3158526, posted on September 18, 2019 at 8:07 am

    The pitch perfect example of how the surrender documents will be presented to our M*sl*m overlords.

    Prepared by our public “servants” no less.
    Sortition now, and no one can serve longer than 1 term.
    Administration staff to be sacked at the pleasure of the current elected politicians.
    No accrued benefits either, that’ll keep them on their toes.

  143. Bruce of Newcastle

    AA has a new competitor.

    Climate Anxiety Groups Are the New Self-Care

    There were dance parties, DJ sets, drum classes and tutu-making workshops. Still, despite the buoyant mood it wasn’t just another festival tailor-made for glossy Instagram photos. Instead, Catharsis on the Mall, which was inspired by Burning Man and took place on the National Mall in May, had a different aim— healing. Not surprisingly part of the conversation included climate change and within 24 hours of a climate anxiety session being announced, all the seats were reserved.

    Arizona-based activist Laura Schmidt said she felt like her years spent working in the environmental nonprofit space weren’t “fruitful,” because she was unable to “force people to look at the problem.”

    Needing to rethink her approach to her activist work she utilized her grad school work in identifying tools that activists use to fight burnout and developed a 10-step program along with her wife, Aimee Lewis-Reau. Called the Good Grief Network, the program has a similar structure to Alcoholics Anonymous and therapy sessions.

    I can see why she might have trouble forcing people to look at an imaginary problem. Hopefully in treating her brain hurtiness she and her wife don’t overdo the Panadol.

  144. John Constantine

    Notafans link to Amber the panadol overdose chick.

    Amber self-described as present but blank.

    Said she did some nursing studies at university.

    Said her looper mates that did psychology studies described panadol as the worst way to go.

    Then in an act of pure emotion Amber went for the panadol, knowing all this, but being present but emotionally blank.

    Why are we rationing panadol, instead of the leftism causing this suicidal disease cluster in young wymyndys?.

    If we used the window of consciousness open to panadol overdose victims of leftism, before their agonising and tortured and humiliating and degrading death, I reckon we would find ABC life values causing their deathwish.

    Watching too much ABC really does make you shit blood.

  145. Mother Lode

    RBA moves towards rate cut as consumer sentiment darkens

    Not having any particular experience in this field, do these announcements (explicitly or implicitly announced) become self-fulfilling prophecies?

    Signalling a future change to influence people’s behaviours means that people will also change their behaviour now on the basis of that signal. For example, if trying to encourage people borrowing money announcing a rate cut will stop them from borrowing money now (even though they had more or less already determined to borrow), postponing it for an even more advantage so the result is that loans that would have been made at a higher rate will instead be made at the lower ’emergency’ rate.

    It also send out a confirmation that the economy is sick.

  146. mh

    Imam Mohamad Tawhidi
    @Imamofpeace
    Ilhan Omar has just deleted this tweet from 2013 that proves her father is Nur Said, which makes her Ilhan Nur Said (surnames are the fathers names in most Muslim/MENA countries), and that Ahmed Nur Said, who she married, is in fact her brother.

    Why did you delete it, @IlhanMN!?
    https://twitter.com/Imamofpeace/status/1173928676859072512?s=20

  147. mh

    Imam Moha mad Tawhidi
    @Imamofpeace
    Ilhan Omar has just deleted this tweet from 2013 that proves her father is Nur Said, which makes her Ilhan Nur Said (surnames are the fathers names in most Mus lim/MENA countries), and that Ahmed Nur Said, who she married, is in fact her brother.

    Why did you delete it, @IlhanMN!?
    https://twitter.com/Imamofpeace/status/1173928676859072512?s=20

  148. Mark A

    Stimpson J. Cat
    #3158536, posted on September 18, 2019 at 8:22 am

    OK well I think I have worked out where Monty is…

    Gone off KFC about 20 years ago when they changed the secret formula.
    Now it’s nothing but a greasy piece of mostly rotting meat.

  149. Mother Lode

    Less than clement weather today, so I decided to drive in (rather than spending enough minutes at the bus stop to get drenched and then clamber onto a crowded bus where everyone is emanating the vapour of their own drenchings – which seems always to hold onto every ungodly smell from their every vice for the past week.

    So, down to the car. Loaded up with the laptop on the passenger seat, umbrella in the passenger footwell, and a cup of coffee. Locks clicking on.

    Locked and loaded.

  150. Bruce of Newcastle

    Ilhan Omar has just deleted this tweet from 2013

    Good stuff on that story here:

    Ilhan Omar Inexplicably Deletes Father’s Day Message from 2013

    “Inexplicably” is not the word I’d use. Maybe “guiltily” or “blatantly” would be better choices.
    Meanwhile she’s now in trouble with her RoP supporters.

    Stand by your sham: An introduction

    Of all the scandals in which Ilhan Omar is enmeshed, one might think the Daily Mail’s revelation this past July of her affair with political consultant Tim Mynett would be the least of them. The news last month of Beth Mynett’s divorce filing, however, has had a slightly awakening effect on a Somali community that has taken Omar at face value.

    Leaving hubby to have it off with a married whitey kafir would strain the credulity of even the most loyal denizen of Little Mogadishu you might think.

  151. MACK

    In censorship news, the Conversation is banning climate sceptics:
    https://theconversation.com/climate-change-deniers-are-dangerous-they-dont-deserve-a-place-on-our-site-123164
    Not surprising when you see that the editor: “has been a journalist for more than 20 years. In previous roles he was a reporter at The Age, founding editor of The Big Issue Australia and editor of Crikey, The Reader and The Melbourne Weekly. He also spent several years at the ABC where he was a TV producer on Media Watch and The 7:30 Report and an editor on The Drum. “

  152. Mark A

    Updated Channel 13 exit poll gives Arab list record 15 seats

    An updated Channel 13 exit poll gives the Joint List 15 seats, which would mark a record-breaking outcome for the Arab political party, despite attempts by Netanyahu to push back against Arab voters.

    The amended poll:

    Blue and White: 32
    Likud: 30
    Joint List: 15
    Shas: 9
    Yisrael Beytenu: 8
    United Torah Judaism: 8
    Yamina: 6
    Democratic Camp: 6
    Labor-Gesher: 6
    Otzma Yehudit: 0

    The survey gives 53 seats for the right-wing bloc, and 67 for the combined center, left, Joint List, and Liberman.

  153. Old School Conservative

    Thanks Top Ender for the Chris Merritt piece.
    This statement needs to be repeated:

    It does look as though the cardinal has been the victim of a shocking miscarriage of justice.

    I like his analysis of the high-stakes nature of the appeal. Severe ramifications for Cardinal Pell and the careers of Brett Walker SC, barrister Ruth Shan, Victoria’s most senior judges Chief Justice Anne Ferguson and Court of Appeal president Chris Maxwell.

    To summarise – The special leave application drawn up by Walker and barrister Ruth Shann leads to an unstated but obvious conclusion: two of Victoria’s most senior judges utterly botched the cardinal’s case, not just on the facts but on the law.

  154. Roger

    In censorship news, the Conversation is banning climate sceptics

    “At The Conversation Australia we’ve recently vowed to improve our climate change coverage, and part of that means moderating comments with a similar degree of rigour.”

    The Prog-Left takes to censorship “rigour”.

    Funded by Australian universities.

    And note the tilty head!

  155. Tom

    Mark A, exit polls are rubbish and always favour leftist opposition parties. Early counting of votes also always favours the left, who usually live in the downtown areas, not country areas, which are the last to be counted.

  156. Some History

    The Greta™ machine is in overdrive.

    Greta Thunberg to Congress: ‘You’re not trying hard enough. Sorry’
    The Swedish environmentalist was one of several who spoke at a Senate climate crisis task force

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/sep/17/greta-thunberg-to-congress-youre-not-trying-hard-enough-sorry

  157. Mother Lode

    All other motivations aside, and imagining the High Court judges to be prioritising their own interests, would they be inclined to side with Victoria out of some form of judicial loyalty? I don’t imagine there is an awful lot they need to fear from the Victorian establishment but, having reached their position, might be displeased that the Victorian courts have made the profession look bad.

    And what are their prospects beyond the court? Do they see themselves in a more international context – the top judges in Australia would be lo alert to how they look beyond these shores. Their stock in lecture tours and speaking gigs would be higher where they have shaped events, not rubber stamped what lower courts have said.

    The Victorian courts seems like a sewer. The scaly cold-blooded creatures that lurk there beneath the discarded syringes and rafts of excrement are only interested in this world of their own.

    Because it is theirs.

  158. Some History

    Barry Bummer meets Greta™

    Obama meets with Greta Thunberg: ‘One of our planet’s greatest advocates’

    https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/461817-obama-meets-with-greta-thunberg-one-of-our-planets-greatest

  159. John Constantine

    Panadol overdosing. Here is a youtube ramble from the target demographic.

    The Downfall of the West has made us so rich we can now afford to ration panadol.

  160. Some History

    Greta™ is getting close to the “Village of the Damned” look.

    https://imgur.com/CdGtfHP

  161. Mother Lode

    Greta meets Obama?

    You would expect a cataclysmic explosion mutual self-congratulation and the release of streams of previously unknown subatomic particles of stupidity that shred the very substance of the known universe.

  162. calli

    It can’t end well for that little girl.

    And it’s all happening right in front of us and there’s absolutely nothing we can do about it.

  163. Bruce of Newcastle

    Lock up your pets…

    New Ban On Eating Dogs And Cats In UK Blocked By Government (via BCF)

    A ban on eating dog and cat meat in the UK has reportedly been blocked by the UK government out of fear of being ‘culturally insensitive’ towards South East Asian nations.

    Ministers had drawn up a new criminal offence procedure for the possession of dog and cat meat in Britain, with former Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs secretary, Michael Gove, ordering the ban earlier this year, despite the practice being rare in the UK.

    However, the Ministry of Justice has reportedly blocked the ruling, saying it would be ‘culturally insensitive’ of the Government to tell other nations what they can and can’t eat.

    Maybe the ban suggestion didn’t go down well in London.

  164. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘judicial ineptitude’

    Exactumundo. Maxwell and Whatsername were well outside their fields of expertise, even though they were broadly in the same field.

    It’s like two apprentice mechanics whose greatest challenge to day was a Hyundai i30, then enthusiastically taking on a Kenworth, parked out front with its engine smoking and oil leaking everywhere in an attempt to impress the chick from the milk bar across the road.

    After letting them have a run for half a hour or so, during which they identify the problem as a lack of wiper fluid, the grizzled older pro (Weinberg) finishes his pie, chucks his durry butt into the gutter, sends the first two down the road to get him some spotted paint and goes to work.

  165. If the assessment of Walker and Shann is accepted by the High Court, it will amount to a crippling blow for Ferguson and Maxwell.

    Which is why, methinks, the cardinal will stay in gaol.

    Either way, this a appeal will be a measure of how fscked we are. i.e. “a lot” versus “totally”

  166. Knuckle Dragger

    Anyone noticed Liability Bob’s gone a bit quiet since this Hazmatic punter turned up?

    By the way, Old Yeller, I’ve realised a fact I should have identified earlier:

    Not ONE SINGLE conscript went to Vietnam against his will. Not one.

  167. Mother Lode

    Obama meeting Greta would have turned out very different had the cameras not been there.

    The Scandinavian Scold, the Birchin’ Urchin, the Prophet of Profit, would have been ushered into the room with Barack and that ferocious beast-wife of his.

    There would be the sound of a few soft words muttered audible through the door. The sound of sudden movement, a shuddering of the doors, a momentary truncated cry, and then a silence.

    Then Barack and his beast would exit the door, Barack would say that Greta had left through another door, the beast would wipe the corner of her mouth, from which a single bloody hand would drop.

  168. cohenite

    It can’t end well for that little girl.

    It is ghastly; alarmists are despicable. But can you imagine what life would be like if pol tot had real power. It would be a nightmare.

  169. Old School Conservative

    Those League bans for hair pulling and tripping must have upset the Union boys who said “we can do better”.

    Wales attack coach has been sent home from the RWC in Japan.
    It is understood Howley allegedly placed bets on rugby union matches and has been provisionally suspended from all matters relating to rugby and will be banned immediately from the tournament pending a disciplinary hearing.
    Wales are in Pool D along with Australia.

  170. Black Ball

    Good morning all.

    You would expect a cataclysmic explosion mutual self-congratulation and the release of streams of previously unknown subatomic particles of stupidity that shred the very substance of the known universe.

    Valerie Jarrett and Greta’s parents telling them what to say of course. Reminds me of Sir Ian McKellen on Extras on the art of acting. “How did I know what to say? It was written down for me in a script. How did I know where to stand? People told me.”

  171. Roger

    …can you imagine what life would be like if pol tot had real power. It would be a nightmare.

    ‘Those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.’

    C. S. Lewis

  172. Mother Lode

    And it’s all happening right in front of us and there’s absolutely nothing we can do about it.

    When she does eventually succumb to the unendurable demands of other people with their agendas, you can be sure her condition will be blamed on the people who didn’t surrender all mental and moral agency to her.

    It will be the sceptics’ fault.

  173. Knuckle Dragger

    Superb imagery, Lode.

    Given Mike/Michelle’s dietary focus, would Greta be classed as a ‘whole food’?

  174. lotocoti

    Who needs Extinction Rebellion when you’ve got the ghosts of Biopreparat.

  175. Roger

    I have argued that taking effective action on climate change will impinge upon fundamental freedoms and possibly threaten the rule of law. It may alter the shape and functioning of our democratic institutions. It may require strong, even authoritarian, leadership, rationing and considerable sacrifice. There is, however, no easy way to avoid this.

    Nicole Rogers
    BA(Hons) LLB(Hons), LLM, PhD
    Senior Lecturer, School of Law and Justice
    Southern Cross University

    A lightweight, perhaps, but she gives open expression to what others are no doubt quietly planning.

    [ht Roger Franklin @ Quadrant Online]

  176. Knuckle Dragger

    The descent into actual and real mental health issues, as opposed to being able to ‘see’ CO2 for this child, this human shield for cash-hungry vultures is inevitable.

    And yes – ‘you didn’t listen and now she’s dead’ will be the catchcry.

    Indescribable butchery of a young life on the altar of free stuff from other people.

  177. Bruce of Newcastle

    Given Mike/Michelle’s dietary focus, would Greta be classed as a ‘whole food’?

    Ask her KD. You know you can afford a ticket.

    Would You Pay $4,200 to Listen to Michelle Obama Scold You? (17 Sep)

    Got to pay off the mortgage on the Martha’s Vineyard pad quickly before the seas rise.

  178. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Anyone noticed Liability Bob’s gone a bit quiet since this Hazmatic punter turned up?

    I know enough to suggest that the PhD student ought to cast his net more widely when it comes to his secondary sources.

    The PhD student posted a reading list recently that sadly did not include anything by Frank Mount, but pretty much went:

    Dapin, O’Brien, Ravenscroft, Ekins and McNeill, Dapin, Gammage, Dapin, Dapin, Dapin, Dapin, Dapin, Dapin, Dapin, Dapin…

    I’ll get around to problems surrounding Dapin’s work eventually. Humour me. I do intend to do the PhD student slowly…

    He will be held to the same standard that Hal Colebatch was held to. Every T and every I. 😉

    I’d be interested in what Hazmatic has to say about Dapin’s work

  179. Old School Conservative

    Peter Switzer comments on the superannuation scam which has just rocked HESTA and Australian Super amongst others:
    The money was transferred to local banks and then to Hong Kong, where the SMH says the proceeds were ploughed into jewellery and the currency of choice for smarty hoodlums — cryptocurrency!

  180. Old School Conservative

    Hmmmm.
    Just got moderated for quoting Switzer on cryptocurrency.
    I wish there was a way to check on all banned topics and words.

  181. egg_

    Hazmatic

    Seems to be a Sock-o-matic vending machine operating, lately.

  182. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Governor-General David Hurley defends role of Izlam, champions importance of faith in people’s lives

    exclusive
    Geoff Chambers
    Federal Political Correspondent
    @Chambersgc
    Joe Kelly
    Canberra Bureau Chief
    @joekellyoz
    12:00AM September 18, 2019
    74 Comments

    Governor-General David Hurley has defended the role of Izlam in Australian society and champ­ioned the importance of “faith in people’s lives” amid a national debat­e on religious freedom protections.

    The former defence force chief, sworn in as Governor-General on July 1, told Izlamic leaders at the Perth mosque that he held “enormous respect for Izlam” and its contribution to the nation.

    Mr Hurley, a devout Christian, delivered the speech on the weekend in front of an audience including Australian Federation of Izlamic Councils president Rateb Jneid, federal Labor MP Anne Aly and former Labor MP Gary Gray.

    In addition to speaking of his faith, he revealed details of time spent as the “only white Christian male” in a Malaysian village and how he was “no stranger to Izlam”.

    “I have a faith and I am a firm believer in faith in people’s lives. And to be visiting a mosque that has represented your faith for well over 100 years is very important for me,” Mr Hurley said.

    From the Oz. It’s all good, boys, these dhimmies know their place.

  183. egg_

    Greta meets Obama?

    You would expect a cataclysmic explosion mutual self-congratulation and the release of streams of previously unknown subatomic particles of stupidity that shred the very substance of the known universe.

    We’re merging with the parallel clown Universe?

  184. Stimpson J. Cat

    I wish there was a way to check on all banned topics and words.

    All you need to know is that until the word “Vietnam” is added to the list, it is impossible to take this festering sh$thole of a site seriously.
    😁

  185. egg_

    It can’t end well for that little girl.

    AOC seems to have fizzed out in a Far Left implosion* – Greta is the new circuit breaker for Leftoid mass hysteria?

    *Similar to the Oz Greens (wymminses – Bob Brown?) eating their own.

  186. Robert Mc

    it is impossible to take this festering sh$thole of a site seriously

    Alas, ’tis true, ’tis pity … ’tis pity, ’tis, ’tis true.

  187. You’re on fire this morning Mother Lode. When you get in the mood for some vituperative abuse, the product is usually of literary quality of a high order. Old Knuckles can sometimes (but not often) match you. His description of his mother-in-law covered in mud is one of the best pieces here in the genre of vituperative abuse. Up there with the description of the two coupling on the stern of the Ecoli of the Seas as it moved out of Sydney Harbour. (A reference to the post would be appreciated.)

  188. egg_

    Got to pay off the mortgage on the Martha’s Vineyard pad quickly before the seas rise.

    Like Robyn 100m Williams pad on the NSW South Coast?
    With a younger bird like Flannery, but health is rooted IIRC.

  189. egg_

    I have argued that taking effective action on climate change will impinge upon fundamental freedoms and possibly threaten the rule of law. It may alter the shape and functioning of our democratic institutions. It may require strong, even authoritarian, leadership, rationing and considerable sacrifice. There is, however, no easy way to avoid this.

    Not more suspension of Democracy by our betters?
    Is the B-Ark ready, yet?

  190. Some History

    More on Barry Bummer & the Twilight Zone:

    Video of the meeting between Thunberg and Obama released by the Obama Foundation on Tuesday shows the former President asking Thunberg about recent climate strikes she participated in while she visited New York and Washington.
    “Everyone is so nice and all of these young people seem so eager, very enthusiastic which is a very good thing,” she said.
    Before the two fist-bumped, Obama said to Thunberg: “You and me, we’re a team.”

    https://edition.cnn.com/2019/09/17/politics/barack-obama-greta-thunberg-climate-change/index.html

  191. Now for some common sense. What made the original non-halal sign ‘arguably’ (Des’ words) provocative was the kangaroo and emu addition. To an irrational RoPer ((a large cohort) this could be taken as stating that non-halal was true Australian, with the likely consequence a complaint to a human rights body, (and a brick through the window).

  192. Des Deskperson

    ‘If the assessment of Walker and Shann is accepted by the High Court, it will amount to a crippling blow for Ferguson and Maxwell.’

    Yet according to the ABC’s legal expert, one Professor Ben Mathews:

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-09-18/what-is-next-for-cardinal-pell/11521418

    Ferguson and Maxwell’s decisions were based on ‘careful and cogent reasoning’.

    A bit of background on the ABC’s expert and, it is assumed, unbiased analyst: “Ben Mathews .. was Professorial Fellow to the Royal Commission Into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse from 2015-17.”

  193. struth

    We are turning the corner I believe.
    So far I see the left panicking that at this rate the global socialists of the UN won’t have us all as slaves by the due date.
    2030.
    Thank you Trump……peace be upon him.

    The USA under Trump is forcing the left to expose their traitorous insanity and the weather continues to be as it always was.

    They will now try harder to force compliance to the New global socialist overlords by increased radicalism only exposing them more.
    Maybe we need to be even more proud of a civilization so robust that a concerted attack from within for the last 40 or so years cannot win easily.
    March through the institutions and all.
    I look at the idiocy of Australia Labor last election especially.
    Our fight is with the UN traitors in the Liberal party.
    Win that and common decency and the human desire for freedom and to be left alone makes it possible, and the insane asylum of the criminal left can salt the earth with their tears, as is starting to happen now.
    God bless the men who gave us the west and our ancestors who died defending it.
    Truly not a higher cause could be found.

  194. egg_

    Ferguson and Maxwell’s decisions were based on ‘careful and cogent reasoning’.

    Is there analytical software for this, as there is in almost every other field of endeavour including Medicine, or are Lawtards protecting their trade?

  195. Some History

    Spare a thought for Jane Carosene. Being a climate change hysteric, she’ll be participating in Friday’s strike. And for the last few weeks she’s been participating in pro-abortionchoice demonstrations. Carosene even refers to pro-lifers as “forced birthers”. Well, Jane has heard all of the pro-life arguments before, so don’t clutter up her twitter page with religious claptrap. Capeesh!

    I have been fighting for reproductive rights for over 40 years, yet some forced birthers still appear to think that their justifications (exclusively religiously based) are so persuasive they will magically change my mind. Save your emails people, I’ve heard ‘em all.

    https://twitter.com/JaneCaro/status/1173816850548805633?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

  196. Ben just guaranteed himself some extra gravy at the next RC into whatever.

  197. notafan

    All other motivations aside, and imagining the High Court judges to be prioritising their own interests, would they be inclined to side with Victoria

    out of some form of judicial loyalty

    ? I don’t imagine there is an awful lot they need to fear from the Victorian establishment but, having reached their position, might be displeased that the Victorian courts have made the profession look bad.

    Marr was gloating not very long ago that the High Court had been lately overturning a lot of Victorian decisions

    They also refused leave for the DPP to appeal the decision in Br Tyrrell’s case (many similarities to Cardinal Pell’s case including a lying fanasist accuser) despite Marr’s wishful thinking.

    John Finnis is highly regarded in the legal community -linking again to his Quadrant article

    Where the Pell Judgment Went Fatally Wrong

  198. max

    There are more than a few lawyers who believe Pell’s case was a miscarriage. Richter would be one. Walker another. There are others.

  199. notafan

    From the Guardian, naturally

    This week, along with other students, we started a petition to stop Professor John Finnis teaching at Oxford University. As anticipated, the petition has been criticised on the grounds that its proposals would undermine academic and – though Finnis himself says his views are “strictly philosophical” – religious freedom. We were called “snowflake” students who were simply incapable of arguing against opposing views. We believe these criticisms miss the point.


    LGBT rights
    We don’t think John Finnis should teach at Oxford University. Here’s why

  200. notafan

    Catholic professor stands against academic bullying for his writings on sexual morality and is vindicated

    Oxford University’s lynch mob is at it again. Its target for the Hilary Term 2019 is Emeritus Professor of Law and Legal Philosophy John Finnis, a Roman Catholic convert, who challenged Pope Francis to condemn errors that may result from the misuse of his apostolic exhortation Amoris Laetitia.

    Finnis, an Australian, hasn’t quite mastered the art of English euphemism. He’s pricked the pansexual bubble by comparing homosexuality with bestiality. Approving of gay sex is like endorsing the killing of innocent people by terrorists, he’s written. Finnis calls homosexual practice evil and destructive and suggests there may be a relationship between being gay and child abuse.

    IS JOHN FINNIS THE BRAVEST DON IN OXFORD?

  201. notafan

    Catholic professor stands against academic bullying for his writings on sexual morality and is vindicated

    Oxford University’s lynch mob is at it again. Its target for the Hilary Term 2019 is Emeritus Professor of Law and Legal Philosophy John Finnis, a Roman Catholic convert, who challenged Pope Francis to condemn errors that may result from the misuse of his apostolic exhortation Amoris Laetitia.

    IS JOHN FINNIS THE BRAVEST DON IN OXFORD?

  202. Mother Lode

    When you get in the mood for some vituperative abuse, the product is usually of literary quality of a high order.

    Calli, I think you know how to make blushing emoticons.

  203. notafan

    The Adelaide butcher should have added some piccies of little piggies

  204. egg_

    The USA under Trump is forcing the left to expose their traitorous insanity and the weather continues to be as it always was.

    As we’re 7 metres from peak sea level of the last Interglacial, i.e. likely turning the corner to the next Ice Age, presumably Greentards locked in sea ice will become more frequent.

  205. Some History

    Big Al Joyce, aviation polluter and “evangelical” poofist, made $23.8million last year as Quantass CEO. That’s $457,000 a week!!

    https://www.news.com.au/finance/money/wealth/qantas-chief-executive-alan-joyce-tops-list-of-australias-highest-paid-ceos/news-story/3cef3ae8afa0e53116d2cd7f83dec182

  206. Knuckle Dragger

    Rafiki,

    I was just thinking about that stupid, poisonous old bitch the other day. Someone (it may have been BoN) told me how to find previous posts but I’ve accidentally turfed it, sadly. And I can’t search for the post where he told me how to do it because – as mentioned – I turfed the instructions to do just that.

    I was informed by the ex-Mrs KD the other day while organising flights here for the heir to my empire that she (XMIL) had developed some bowel problems, and let her equally stupid unemployable cone freak of a son in his 40s, who had previously completed some sort of TAFE course in massage – get this – stick his finger up her arse to determine the problem.

    I am not making this up. Given previous experience of these two blights on society, this is entirely credible.

    Hands up everyone who’s jammed a digit up their dear old Mum’s ring gear!

    Yeah. That’s what I thought.

  207. egg_

    I look at the idiocy of Australia Labor last election especially.
    Our fight is with the UN traitors in the Liberal party.

    Third rate career Politicians who should only be paying lip service to our would-be UN overlords – Howard was stoic, but even Costello did some Leftoid @rse kissing in public – being a [email protected] on the floor of Parliament is not leadership.

  208. C.L.

    Why would the United States go to war for Saudi Arabia?
    Why don’t those lazy fags fight their own wars? Why don’t they attack Iran?
    It’s disappointing to hear Trump talking like a two-bit bouncer in front of the House of Saud.

  209. egg_

    Our fight is with the UN traitors in the Liberal party.
    Win that and common decency and the human desire for freedom and to be left alone makes it possible, and the insane asylum of the criminal left can salt the earth with their tears, as is starting to happen now.

    Zali Steggall may be our own Gretatard, hopefully with hypocrisy unwinding in full public view.
    Being aligned with Flim Flammery is probably not a good move.

  210. areff

    Hands up everyone who’s jammed a digit up their dear old Mum’s ring gear!

    Did he find his car keys?

  211. Knuckle Dragger

    max, 10.48 a.m.;

    Robert Richter QC is a heaving, sanctimonious flog. But he can afford to be, because he’s also a really good silk. A taller poppy in a field of tall poppies.

    Years back, he got a Latrobe Valley scrote called Greg Domaszewicz off a murder charge for killing a boy he was babysitting, then wrapping him up, tying him to a crowbar and turfing him into a nearby lake.

    His defence at trial was a masterful cavalcade of distraction squirrels, all in the witness box which ultimately had the jury convinced (and not without all reason) that every single person in that part of Victoria was capable of doing the deed.

    Reasonable doubt. The End.

  212. Roger

    Why don’t those lazy fags fight their own wars? Why don’t they attack Iran?

    Because they’d likely get their arses handed to them on a Persian platter.

    It’s disappointing to hear Trump talking like a two-bit bouncer in front of the House of Saud.

    He should heed the words of Tulsi Gabbard.

  213. Top Ender

    can you imagine what life would be like if pol tot had real power

    Don’t worry – she will.

    Being groomed as we speak for a leading role in her unfortunate country.

    This will be followed by a stint in the UN.

    Sort of like Kevin Rudd hoped for, except bigger audiences to say “look at me” to.

  214. notafan

    Greta will crash and burn long before that

  215. John Constantine:

    Then in an act of pure emotion Amber went for the panadol, knowing all this, but being present but emotionally blank.
    Why are we rationing panadol, instead of the leftism causing this suicidal disease cluster in young wymyndys?.

    I don’t have an answer for you, John.
    Perhaps this problem has gone way too far to be corrected by normal means. Honestly, I think the only thing that can save Western Civilisation is an existential crisis of such magnitude that it drowns out the lunacy currently enveloping us.
    Comrade.

  216. egg_

    It’s disappointing to hear Trump talking like a two-bit bouncer in front of the House of Saud.

    The Saudis are pulling some strings?

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