Open Forum: September 28, 2019

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  1. Infidel Tiger

    89 points. I’ve never been so relaxed at a footy final in my life.

    And Japan beat Ireland: brilliant!

    And now I am watching a lady holding her knife like it’s a pen. This makes no sense.

  2. mh

    Unlike the House, the Senate requires a 2/3 vote to find the President guilty. So the RINOs likely to vote against him (Lee and Romney) still won’t give the Democrats enough votes to prevail.

    Thanks. Was forgetting that.

    For the Dems it is worthwhile just to smear. It’s what they have been doing for over three years.

  3. John Constantine

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-09-29/the-widening-gulf-between-wa-and-australia-on-china/11554474

    Stepping up towards the microphones in the heart of Perth’s Chinatown district this week, WA Premier Mark McGowan was literally walking to the beat of a Chinese drum.

    Flanked by Dong Zhi Hua, the Consul General of the People’s Republic of China, he had come to announce a trial of direct flights between Perth and Shanghai and the drums were part of a Chinese Lion Dance performance to celebrate the occasion.

    The warm reception was in stark contrast to the sharp rebuke Prime Minister Scott Morrison received from the Chinese Embassy in Canberra for calling China a “newly developed nation” while touring America this week.

    OBOR uber alles.

    elated Story: WA built its economy on the back of China. Now it faces a looming trade war
    Related Story: Morrison takes a swipe at China, urging the Asian superpower to do more
    Related Story: Australia would be ‘the first sacrifice’ in war between US and China, pro-Beijing academic says

    Comrades.

  4. Farmer Gez

    Make yourself happy John64 don’t watch Insiders.
    Taped Outsiders and currently I’m winding more cord onto the Whipper Snipper to finish the attack on the orchard.
    Insiders is a total waste of your life.

  5. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    If fusion, or any sort of nuclear power, does take off then Australia’s export economy is sunk as far as coal is concerned. So how long have we got? We can service all those new coal-fired power stations in Asia and Latin America till they die, and hopefully a few of our own soon, so medium term I’d say we are OK.

    We’ve got lots of uranium too. That might help.
    And iron ore, so we could also build a few steel plants.

    How hopeless is it, by the way, that Pratt is investing in paper in the Midwest of the US when perfectly functional paper mills in Australia are dead or declining? Nowra’s looks less than good, and Bernie in Tasmania, which was once Paper Central, is now trying to thrive on the smell of a paper museum and a pleasant-enough coastline. Tourists don’t exactly flock there for that. All done in Oz to save da planet of course, which makes all of our medium-size industrial activities uneconomic due to soaring regulatory costs in labour and technology, and crucifying electricity costs.

  6. Ellie

    Insiders – for the love of “balance”, who is the conservative on the couch?

  7. Roger

    I note that Tulsi Gabbard – a hero to many here – has now flipped and wants to impeach.

    Very disappointing.

  8. Nick

    And now I am watching a lady holding her knife like it’s a pen. This makes no sense.

    Asian ?

  9. min

    What a masochist I am listening to the Insiders. Today it seems really more left leaning than usual .
    They have praised Greta and rubbished PM , Trump Barnaby and government policy on climate change or lack of, so guys let’s save some emissions and close the show down . How do couch sitters get to the studio not by scooter I bet?

  10. areff

    Who’s the copygirl in need of a hairdresser explaining the world to grownups?

  11. custard

    That would be Sarah Martin who briefly was Canberra correspondent for The West Australian (after Probyn left) and now is the Gruinaid.

  12. Crossie

    Roger
    #3170398, posted on September 29, 2019 at 9:51 am
    I note that Tulsi Gabbard – a hero to many here – has now flipped and wants to impeach.

    Very disappointing.

    Inevitable. If she wasn’t a froot loop she wouldn’t be a Dem.

  13. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Haven’t checked back thread, but did anyone watch Casablanca again last nite? I note that Ilsa still calls Sam the ‘boy’, no one’s cut that yet. Ric still sets up that knocked-over glass into standing position, which sets off Amor Towels musing on the nature of resistance by creating order in small things, as an antidote to an imposed terror, which Towels then turns into an enduring theme in ‘A Gentleman in Moscow’. Very much a ‘clean your room’ moment, in Towel’s hands, way before Jordan Peterson was on to it. ‘Play it again, Sam’ is once again never said, although separately Ric and Isla each say ‘Play it, Sam’. Ric wears his heart on his sleeve for young wife, saving her from the evil clutches of the Prefect of Police, in a once-only moment of humanity. And the Prefect of Police obliges Ric in the end by rounding up ‘the usual suspects’, although I was in bed by then. We watched it up to the Marseillaise and then I went to bed while Hairy watched The Game.

  14. Ellie

    Caught up with family yesterday who, after a few beverages, chastised me for my criticism on FB of Greta and her delusions and her deluded supporters. They then questioned why I’m wearing a MAGA tshirt in one of my pics and my supportive posts of Trump. I don’t criticize them for their loony leftist posts. Not cool. 😔

  15. johanna

    The combination of old hippies and gormless Gen whatevers never ceases to produce dishonest greenie propaganda. Here is today’s effort:

    Under the direction of permaculturalist and market-gardener Arran Heideman, who joined the project in 2016, the decommissioned test facility was transformed into a local fresh food hub.

    They refer to an ex-CSIRO site. Carefully omitted – who owns it now? Who paid for the land? No prizes for guessing the right answer. Take a bow, taxpayers.

    Nearly four years later, the hard work has paid off, and Millen Farm operates as a not-for-profit business and commercial organic farm, selling locally grown food straight to the local community.

    So, a taxpayer subsidised outfit is competing with privately owned producers. But, it’s all good because organic, da planet, and so on.

    With growing concern about future global food shortages, experts are advancing urban agriculture as a part of the solution.

    Industry consultant Peter Kearney said small-scale farms, close to, and within, large population centres made sense.

    “People in the city are the consumers of most of the food,” Mr Kearney said.

    “They generate most of the green waste and there is land available.

    “Even if it’s rooftops, the issues of food security can be definitely buffered by urban agriculture anywhere in the world.”

    What ‘growing (sic) concern about future global food shortages?’ I assume that they are talking about the growing concern about public funding for their growing concern.

    Lying leeches.

  16. johanna

    Blockquote fail. But, it was TheirABC in full flight.

  17. Anthony

    Impeachable Offenses
    SECTION 4. The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.

    ANNOTATIONS

    The Convention came to its choice of words describing the grounds for impeachment after much deliberation, but the phrasing derived directly from the English practice. On June 2, 1787, the framers adopted a provision that the executive should “be removable on impeachment & conviction of mal-practice or neglect of duty.”857 The Committee of Detail reported as grounds “Treason (or) Bribery or Corruption.”858 And the Committee of Eleven reduced the phrase to “Treason, or bribery.”859 On September 8, Mason objected to this limitation, observing that the term did not encompass all the conduct that should be grounds for removal; he therefore proposed to add “or maladministration” following “bribery.” Upon Madison’s objection that “[s]o vague a term will be equivalent to a tenure during pleasure of the Senate,” Mason suggested “other high crimes & misdemeanors,” which was adopted without further recorded debate.860

    The phrase “high crimes and misdemeanors” in the context of impeachments has an ancient English history, first turning up in the impeachment of the Earl of Suffolk in 1388.861 Treason is defined in the Constitution.862 Bribery is not, but it had a clear common law meaning and is now well covered by statute.863 “High crimes and misdemeanors,” however, is an undefined and indefinite phrase, which, in England, had comprehended conduct not constituting indictable offenses.864 Use of the word “other” to link “high crimes and misdemeanors” with “treason” and “bribery” is arguably indicative of the types and seriousness of conduct encompassed by “high crimes and misdemeanors.” Similarly, the word “high” apparently carried with it a restrictive meaning.865

    Debate prior to adoption of the phrase866 and comments thereafter in the ratifying conventions867 were to the effect that the President (all the debate was in terms of the President) should be removable by impeachment for commissions or omissions in office which were not criminally cognizable. And in the First Congress’s “removal” debate, Madison maintained that the wanton dismissal of meritorious officers would be an act of maladministration which would render the President subject to impeachment.868 Other comments, especially in the ratifying conventions, tend toward a limitation of the term to criminal, perhaps gross criminal, behavior.869 The scope of the power has been the subject of continuing debate.

    Justia Law

    Reading the above I still can’t see what Trump has done that warrants impeachment. Definitely not the sacking of Comey – the word ‘meritorious’ precludes that.

  18. Exit Stage Right

    Their ABC:
    Inventing stories, omitting facts, perpetuating lies and providing a sheltered workshop for lefties for 90 years. But, according to them:

    The Australian Broadcasting Corporation (ABC) is Australia’s national broadcaster founded in 1929. It is principally funded by the direct grants from the Australian government, but is expressly independent of government and partisan politics. The ABC plays a leading role in journalistic independence and is fundamental in the history of broadcasting in Australia.

  19. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I never watch Insiders. I waste time with Catallaxy instead.
    And play with Attapuss. I find both kinda relaxing on Sunday morning.
    Hairy always sleeps in. I tend to go and wake him up in a good way.
    Now don’t get me wrong.

    Ripping open the curtains while he struggles into consciousness. 🙂

  20. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    how evil is google, they used to provide sliders to tone down annoying news sources. then they removed that and you only had the option to silence news sources completely. now they have even removed that ability.

    an evil evil empire

  21. egg_

    I never though I’d say this but – bring back Ol’ Leathery!

    Under the “stewardship” of Frank Elly, Insiders has descended into a circle jerk of Marxist eco-catastropharians.

    +1 AFL Cardigan

    Farr leading the lurch to the Left under the stewardship of Nanny Franny.

    Sarah Martin from the Guardian sounding shrill in trying to keep up with the echo chamber chorus.

  22. Bruce of Newcastle

    A little bit to focus the minds of the Republican elites:

    New poll: Majority of Americans against impeachment and removal of Trump (28 Sep)

    A new Quinnipiac University poll released Wednesday shows a majority of Americans do not think President Donald Trump should be impeached and removed from office. … In a clear partisan divide, 4% of Republicans and 73% of Democrats surveyed support impeachment. Those who responded against impeachment include 95% of Republicans surveyed and 21% of Democrats.

    So 95% of Republicans don’t want Trump impeached. That means any RINO is going to stay vewy vewy quiet, as they will be primaried the instant they break silence.

  23. egg_

    Squalid-the-dissembler everyman on Outsiders – is there nothing the sand goblin can’t do?

  24. Ellie

    I tend to go and wake him up in a good way.

    You’re the sexiest 77 year old I know. Hope I have your va-va-voom when/if I get there in 25 years.

  25. mh

    FMD

    Paul Krugman
    @paulkrugman
    Starting to look like two possible outcomes: Trump and a number of others end up in jail, or thousands of journalists end up in prison camps

  26. 132andBush

    johanna

    #3170412, posted on September 29, 2019 at 10:05 am

    The combination of old hippies and gormless Gen whatevers never ceases to produce dishonest greenie propaganda. Here is today’s effort:

    Good find, Johanna.

    I wonder what % of a vegan could be run on that 1/2 hectare?

  27. bespoke

    just like dot with his annoying obsession with thorium reactors

    ?
    😎

  28. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    expressly independent of government and partisan politics.

    Haw haw. You gotta larf.
    Or weep tears of blood.

    I’m hanging on to my memories of election nite. We had Sky in one room, ABC in another. People were running excitedly between the two. ABC were sitting in stunned shock, bewailing soon after. Shows how close they are to knowledge of the Australian people they are supposed to serve.

  29. egg_

    Talking Pictures Bowers face is getting fatter and redder with age – far worse than the Beetrooter’s.
    And more punchable – would have to be close to the top of the list.

  30. Roger

    Under the “stewardship” of Frank Elly, Insiders has descended into a circle jerk of Marxist eco-catastropharians.

    And the only people who watch it are other “journos” and conservatives.

    Sad.

  31. egg_

    copygirl in need of a hairdresser explaining the world to grownups

    That would be half the ABC Canberra Office – no coincidence they send their most rootable to Canberra?

  32. dover_beach

    2. Compulsory paternity checks are legislated to identify the male involved, and when identified, the father confined to nine months (for symmetry) in clink, or someplace similar, irrespective of circumstances,

    That has never made sense.

  33. egg_

    Squalid-the-dissembler everyman on Offsiders

  34. Why are there middle age unskilled office workers who can barely speak english being brought in by the million from the other side of the planet to do low skill office jobs pushing electronic paper around that anyone could be taught to do in a few weeks?

    This alone puts to death the lie that any of this has anything to do with effeciency. It is about politics. Import a foreign alienated workforce who have no political power or connection to the local people while suckling the marrow out of the nation that hosts you.

    Twosticks, are you referring to the Dept of Transport, or the Dept of Immigration? Or the nation’s entire crop of taxi drivers?
    I totally agree with you.

  35. egg_

    Squalid shows a clip of Egyptian Soccer FFS.
    How inclusive.

  36. egg_

    are you referring to the Dept of Transport, or the Dept of Immigration?

    Most bureaucracies – refer to Prince Philip’s comments re Injun workers competency.

  37. Arky

    That has never made sense.

    ..
    And he knows it.
    Thus why he has run away.

  38. Zulu; Any robust response by a business operator is good.
    I totally support & agree with him, I wouldn’t have used quite the same terminology as he.
    I’ve had similar experience. Trip Advisor is a toilet.
    The total absence of manners and utter stupidity of 120% of the general public has to be seen to be believed.
    The Trip Advisor rep knows to have a few stiff drinks before ever phoning me.

  39. Tel

    Next time you think Hinch and his permanent sex offender register is a smart idea.

    https://www.sunshinecoastdaily.com.au/news/boy-registered-sex-offender-hugging-classmate/3840353/

    A five year old kid becomes a registered sex offender after hugging another kid in school. Stop for a moment to let that sink in … this will be dogging him for his entire life. If they can screw up, these guys will screw up.

  40. Roger

    I note the recently invented UK Supreme Court has lived up to its name, arrogating supreme power to itself, in what amounts to a judicial revolt against Britain’s constitution.

  41. Prince Philip’s comments re Injun workers competency.

    I don’t know what Prince Philip said, but I fully support his comments.

  42. Farmer Gez

    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
    #3170417, posted on September 29, 2019 at 10:11 am
    I never watch Insiders. I waste time with Catallaxy instead.
    And play with Attapuss. I find both kinda relaxing on Sunday morning.
    Hairy always sleeps in. I tend to go and wake him up in a good way.
    Now don’t get me wrong.

    Ripping open the curtains while he struggles into consciousness.

    Righto it’s euphemisms is it?
    When using the 4 stroke Whipper Snipper most problems come from not exposing enough cord. A quick push on the button and quick pull will create length and increase speed at the tip.

  43. johanna

    Or the nation’s entire crop of taxi drivers?

    Speak for yourself.

    Here in Queanbeyan, we have our share of sub-Continental taxi drivers, but also a good percentage of old style Australians who have Alan Jones on the radio. They are mostly older blokes who are topping up their super or pension, and I have got to know some of them quite well.

    I should add that while I have had my share of imcompetent and/or rude tinted taxidrivers, I have also met many who are kind and friendly, helping this old, arthrtitic chook with shopping bags with courtesy and respect. Of course, I tip them, but not enough to make it worth their while. It’s just what they do.

    I did have an Indian (or perhaps Bangla – dunno) pig driver who refused to help me with my bags because, devout Muslim that he was, it would be degrading. I reported him, and have never seen him again.

    One of the advantages of living in a smallish town is that if you complain, there is a reasonable chance that it will be taken notice of.

  44. johanna

    johanna
    Your comment is awaiting moderation.
    #3170448, posted on September 29, 2019 at 10:48 am

    Or the nation’s entire crop of taxi drivers?

    Speak for yourself.

    Here in Queanbeyan, we have our share of sub-Continental taxi drivers, but also a good percentage of old style Australians who have Alan Jones on the radio. They are mostly older blokes who are topping up their super or pension, and I have got to know some of them quite well.

    I should add that while I have had my share of imcompetent and/or rude tinted taxidrivers, I have also met many who are kind and friendly, helping this old, arthrtitic chook with shopping bags with courtesy and respect. Of course, I tip them, but not enough to make it worth their while. It’s just what they do.

    I did have an Indian (or perhaps Bangla – dunno) pig driver who refused to help me with my bags because, devout M****m that he was, it would be degrading. I reported him, and have never seen him again.

    One of the advantages of living in a smallish town is that if you complain, there is a reasonable chance that it will be taken notice of.

  45. Nick

    A lady called Linda Dick (yes) complaining on FB that Aami’s ad with an animatronic moose head, should be banned as it promotes hunting….

  46. Nick

    Ralph

    There’s a reason we never hear of Hairy’s side of things. Poor man.

  47. C.L.

    I note that Tulsi Gabbard – a hero to many here …

    I’ve ever understood the fandom.
    She’s a Democrat – which means she’s an unprincipled idiot.

  48. thefrollickingmole

    We have a new bid, 3-5 years for the collapse of Australia into a molten hellhole from da dreadful dreadful heat!!

    Done by a lawyer parasite who has spent his career ensuring things like dams arent built and advising governments and agencies not to do things…

    What an old flogger.

    Sustainability expert Michael Mobbs: I’m leaving the city to prep for the apocalypse
    Michael Mobbs outside his sustainable house in the inner-city Sydney suburb of Chippendale. Photograph: Jessica Hromas/The Guardian
    The man who wrote the book on living off-grid in the city plans to retreat to a rural bolthole, saying eco-friendly progress has not kept pace with the speed of climate collapse

    The 69-year-old former environmental lawyer who, in 1996, converted his two-storey 19th century Sydney terrace into one of the world’s first inner-city self-sufficient homes, is selling his famous passion project and moving to a remote coastal location to prepare for what he predicts will be impending societal collapse induced by climate change.

    That is, he says, a total breakdown within the next three to five years.

    First Mobbs has to do something he’s been deferring for a while: go “public”. Coming out as a survivalist who is abandoning the urban world is no easy step for a man who has authored two bestselling books on sustainable city living, spent two decades as a consultant to the public and private sector, lectured at universities, and has a model of his eco-friendly terrace home exhibited at Sydney’s Powerhouse Museum.


    Mobbs has chosen the night before September’s global climate strike to speak his truth at a “talk and feast” event organised by the community group Transition Bondi. They have invited Mobbs to speak as part of a four-person panel on the topic, “What is your response to climate change?”

    “My guess is water, energy, food, the seasons and economies will collapse in the next three to five years,” he says. “Am I certain of these things? No. But like someone diagnosed with a cancer expected to kill me in the next five years, I am now preparing for my personal circumstances over the next few years. The star I steer by is an article by Catherine Ingram, Facing Extinction.”

    ..
    Enter Bermagui, the frontrunner for his haven from climate disaster. The town of 1,500 people flanked by ocean and forest and midway between Sydney and Melbourne first came to his attention during a chance encounter with chef turned urban farmer Paul West, who hosts the Foxtel series River Cottage Australia.

    “We did this gig together for Whitehorse City Council [in Melbourne]. Within 10 minutes we were talking like you and I were talking. He said ‘I’m moving out of my Melbourne house and back to Bermagui.’ He said ‘Come to Bermagui. It’s got two wooden bridges which could be burned down should the town need defending.’ I thought, ‘This is my man!’”

    The dwindling H2O levels in his own underground storage system is a daily reminder of the city’s water insecurity – in recent years he’s had to increasingly rely on his neighbour’s garden hose to top up his tank.
    ..
    “Is Bermagui somewhere I want to go?” he says. “Sort of yes, sort of no. Somebody gave the analogy of the Jews in Germany [before the Holocaust]. They said there were three types of Jews: those who said ‘We can’t trust [Hitler], we’re leaving.’ There were people who said ‘I think we can manage him and bring him round.’ There were others who said ‘It’ll never happen to us, we’ll be right.’ And the same forms of denial and acceptance are in the conversations I’m having now.

  49. Arky

    which means she’s an unprincipled idiot.

    ..
    Also a bit porky.

  50. C.L.

    Independent journalism latest …

    Veteran journalist steps in as new lord mayor candidate for Labor.

    Veteran journalist Patrick Condren will replace Rod Harding as Labor’s lord mayoral candidate at the Brisbane City Council election next year.

    Mr Condren, who has been a state political reporter for 7News Brisbane, told Brisbane Times that he felt confident coming in as a “clean candidate”.

  51. notafan

    I wondered who posted numbers stupid ‘confinement’ comment again.

    What a dummy.

  52. Johanna, you’ve taken a generalisation (used in the interests of clarity & blog brevity) and taken it as an absolute decree on every single taxi driver in the country.

    Now fisk my comment on the Rego & Licencing Transport branch,
    after that, my comment on Immi.

    over to you……..

  53. johanna

    Roger
    #3170443, posted on September 29, 2019 at 10:39 am

    I note the recently invented UK Supreme Court has lived up to its name, arrogating supreme power to itself, in what amounts to a judicial revolt against Britain’s constitution.

    A concise summary.

    The only other thing to add is that this abomination was created by Tony Blair, possibly the worst wrecker of the British system of checks and balances for 500 years. He also loaded up the House of Lords with his acolytes and sycophants and time servers in need of a payoff.

    Tony Blair put a wrecking ball through British governance, smiling all the time.

  54. classical_hero

    I never understood why had a fascination with Gabbard.

  55. cohenite

    https://www.sunshinecoastdaily.com.au/news/boy-registered-sex-offender-hugging-classmate/3840353/

    A five year old kid becomes a registered sex offender after hugging another kid in school. Stop for a moment to let that sink in … this will be dogging him for his entire life. If they can screw up, these guys will screw up.

    The hugger kid is autistic. He should take up alarmism like pol tot and his future will be assured.

  56. thefrollickingmole

    try again, derailed by dead sea pedestrian mentions,…

    We have a new bid, 3-5 years for the collapse of Australia into a molten hellhole from da dreadful dreadful heat!!

    Done by a lawyer parasite who has spent his career ensuring things like dams arent built and advising governments and agencies not to do things…

    What an old flogger.

    Sustainability expert Michael Mobbs: I’m leaving the city to prep for the apocalypse
    Michael Mobbs outside his sustainable house in the inner-city Sydney suburb of Chippendale. Photograph: Jessica Hromas/The Guardian
    The man who wrote the book on living off-grid in the city plans to retreat to a rural bolthole, saying eco-friendly progress has not kept pace with the speed of climate collapse

    The 69-year-old former environmental lawyer who, in 1996, converted his two-storey 19th century Sydney terrace into one of the world’s first inner-city self-sufficient homes, is selling his famous passion project and moving to a remote coastal location to prepare for what he predicts will be impending societal collapse induced by climate change.

    That is, he says, a total breakdown within the next three to five years.

    First Mobbs has to do something he’s been deferring for a while: go “public”. Coming out as a survivalist who is abandoning the urban world is no easy step for a man who has authored two bestselling books on sustainable city living, spent two decades as a consultant to the public and private sector, lectured at universities, and has a model of his eco-friendly terrace home exhibited at Sydney’s Powerhouse Museum.


    Mobbs has chosen the night before September’s global climate strike to speak his truth at a “talk and feast” event organised by the community group Transition Bondi. They have invited Mobbs to speak as part of a four-person panel on the topic, “What is your response to climate change?”

    “My guess is water, energy, food, the seasons and economies will collapse in the next three to five years,” he says. “Am I certain of these things? No. But like someone diagnosed with a cancer expected to kill me in the next five years, I am now preparing for my personal circumstances over the next few years. The star I steer by is an article by Catherine Ingram, Facing Extinction.”

    ..
    Enter Bermagui, the frontrunner for his haven from climate disaster. The town of 1,500 people flanked by ocean and forest and midway between Sydney and Melbourne first came to his attention during a chance encounter with chef turned urban farmer Paul West, who hosts the Foxtel series River Cottage Australia.

    “We did this gig together for Whitehorse City Council [in Melbourne]. Within 10 minutes we were talking like you and I were talking. He said ‘I’m moving out of my Melbourne house and back to Bermagui.’ He said ‘Come to Bermagui. It’s got two wooden bridges which could be burned down should the town need defending.’ I thought, ‘This is my man!’”

    The dwindling H2O levels in his own underground storage system is a daily reminder of the city’s water insecurity – in recent years he’s had to increasingly rely on his neighbour’s garden hose to top up his tank.
    ..
    “Is Bermagui somewhere I want to go?” he says. “Sort of yes, sort of no. Somebody gave the analogy of the Jews in Germany [before the Holocaust]. They said there were three types of Jrrrrrws: those who said ‘We can’t trust [Hitler], we’re leaving.’ There were people who said ‘I think we can manage him and bring him round.’ There were others who said ‘It’ll never happen to us, we’ll be right.’ And the same forms of denial and acceptance are in the conversations I’m having now.

  57. thefrollickingmole

    Spamminaror eating well today.

    Long comment lost.
    Short version: Check out this old parasite flogbag..

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/sep/29/sustainability-expert-michael-mobbs-im-leaving-the-city-to-prep-for-the-apocalypse

    Devoted his life to stopping dams and things being built…

  58. Tel

    The hugger kid is autistic. He should take up alarmism like pol tot and his future will be assured.

    It makes it worse that they are picking on a disabled kid, but overall irrelevant IMHO because when a five year old hugs another five year old no crime has been committed. If it’s a nuisance you tell the kid, “Hey she doesn’t want that you have to stop” you don’t register a five year old on a sex offender register, under any circumstances. Anyone with three functioning brain cells can figure that one out.

    This must surely be deliberate sabotage … what normal human could go along with this?

  59. Eyrie

    As the US actually built and operated a molten salt Thorium reactor at Oak Ridge in the late 1960 and only shut it down because it was no longer funded I think the corrosion issue is overblown.
    Salt WATER solution is highly corrosive. No water in a fluoride molten salt reactor.

  60. Top Ender

    Then again, the hotel owner in Jervis Bay is probably certifiable by now.

    The place is absolutely horrendous in the summer months and at Easter.

    Enormous crowds of Sydney-siders reversing into each other in car-parks; huge crowd on the beaches, and traffic problems everywhere.

    We did five years at HMAS Creswell, and learnt very quickly to avoid Husky, Vincentia, and Hyams Beach at those times.

    Being a military base we were of course allowed to shoot anyone who came onto our beaches.

  61. Tel

    She’s a Democrat – which means she’s an unprincipled idiot.

    Gosh yes … as opposed to say, Mitt Romney or that turtle headed guy.

  62. Roger

    The only other thing to add is that this abomination was created by Tony Blair, possibly the worst wrecker of the British system of checks and balances for 500 years.

    Second only to Oliver Cromwell.

    No informed commentary in the Australian press that I saw on the “Supreme” Court’s haughty arrogation of powers, just “Boris slapped down!”

  63. thefrollickingmole

    I think Boris might be ok at the next election.
    Be mindful this is the gruinaid, so pro labor.

    Just how radical are Labour’s conference pledges?

    Immigration
    What happened?
    The conference voted for a motion to “maintain and extend free movement rights” for EU citizens – despite the role immigration played in the referendum campaign. It also told the party to “reject any immigration system based on incomes, migrants’ utility to business, and number caps/targets”. It contradicted Labour’s previous manifesto commitment that “freedom of movement will end”.


    Pharma
    What happened?
    The surprise announcement in Corbyn’s conference speech was a plan to create a state-owned drugs company capable of making cheap versions of medicines that are too expensive for the NHS. Such a reform would be likely to require patents to be bypassed. It is a big step and an attempt to curb what Labour regards as profiteering by Big Pharma.


    Four-day week
    What happened?
    John McDonnell, the shadow chancellor, announced the most radical measure of the Labour conference – a pledge to move to a 32-hour week “within the next decade”, with no loss of pay.


    Social care
    What happened?
    Labour committed to bringing in free personal care for the over-65s in England as a way of easing the social care crisis – at an estimated cost of £6bn. Labour also backs a cap on lifetime care costs. The move will be funded out of general taxation.


    Education
    What happened?
    The conference passed a motion calling for the assets of private schools to be redistributed “democratically and fairly across the country’s educational institutions”. The motion, which was driven by the party’s grassroots, was denounced by critics for creating a dangerous precedent of the state seizing private assets.

  64. Eyrie

    SpaceX is about to start the live Starship update. Go to http://www.spaceX.com

  65. johanna

    Top Ender, as I have mentioned before, I stayed at the boss’s at Creswell in the late 70s – his daughter was a friend. It was a bit like the end of the Raj – servants, highly polished silver, that kind of thing. The house was beautiful, spectacular views across the Bay, original Namatjiras on the walls, curved cedar staircase, and so on. A better pre-retirement billet would be hard to imagine.

    I fell in love with Jervis Bay and went there for holidays. For a while, I thought about retiring there. The Husky Pub used to be a splendid place to eat and drink.

    The inevitable overspill from Sydney has occurred – so be it. It is both more expensive and less desirable.

    I was once the public servant in charge of Jervis Bay, but that is a story for another day.

  66. C.L.

    She’s a Democrat – which means she’s an unprincipled idiot.

    Gosh yes … as opposed to say, Mitt Romney or that turtle headed guy.

    Nobody – least of all me – would argue Republicans cannot be idiots. Romney, McCain, Ryan etc.
    But their unprincipled idiocy is a function of their gravitation towards the Democrats – so it simply underlines the founding premise.

  67. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    Peter, the AFL grand final yesterday began at
    2.30 pm and finished just after 5pm AEST

    Thanks Tom.
    I’m constructing a timeline of the announcement, and more importantly, the media coverage of the announcement, of the beginning of the end of everybody’s super savings. It’s been coming ever since the release of the Government Response to the Conway(?) Report, back in 2914.

  68. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    2014

  69. lotocoti

    Way back when, the shop at Hyams’ Beach must’ve made a fortune selling refreshing beverages to 15yo CMIDs who couldn’t get leave, or chose to do a “beach run” for Optional Field.

  70. stackja

    Father of Giants star Toby Greene arrested at AFL Grand Final

    The father of Giants star Toby Greene was arrested during yesterday’s AFL Grand Final after he allegedly headbutted a female police officer at the MCG.
    Brianna Travers, Herald Sun
    Subscriber only

    September 29, 2019 11:16am

    GWS footballer Toby Greene’s father Michael Greene was arrested at the MCG yesterday for allegedly assaulting a female police officer.

    Police said they were initially called to reports of a man allegedly alcohol affected in bathrooms at the ground about 5pm.

    While being escorted from the ground, it is alleged he headbutted a female police officer.

    The 59-year-old from Ferntree Gully was interviewed by police last night and has been remanded to appear at the Melbourne Magistrates’ Court today.

    The Herald Sun understands Greene is estranged from his father and the pair haven’t had a relationship in years.

    MCG has bathrooms?

  71. Cassie of Sydney

    Hi Ellie…L’Shana Tova.

  72. Ragu

    Just going through some old notebooks looking for a design when I came upon this

    Geoffrey Robertson on lawyers and politicians

    ‘Their ethics, their practices and, their attitudes are more highly developed, but, their peculiar and indulged professional vices remain; A genteel interest in money, patronage through old-boy connections and, political preferment. A social exclusivity and a calculated deference to the wealthy and well-connected’

  73. Steve trickler

    The BOM cops a boot up the bum.



  74. ZK2A:
    So the UN – who nobody voted for – wants to impose Socialism on the world economy because ‘warming’.
    Well, that cat’s out of the bag.
    AGW was all about foisting yet another collectivist wet dream on all of us. Considering the mounds of dead people that occur whenever the Socialists get their wishes, will this pile of corpses be higher than Mt Everest?
    The Deep Green movement reckons the planets population needs to be reduced to less than a billion. What method are they going to use to do that? Gas chambers? Gulags? Firing squads? Mass starvation?
    All of them have been tried, and worked.

  75. mh

    Who’s the turtle headed guy?

  76. Ellie

    Hi Cassie – L’shanah tovah tikatevi v’taihatem.
    Shalom. ✡

  77. Ragu

    I don’t mind that. Robertson has nailed himself

  78. Tel

    Who’s the turtle headed guy?

    https://giphy.com/gifs/shot-turtle-J8HQ9fx68TQqs

    You could have looked that up 🙂

  79. Ellie:

    The man who helped my grandparents escape. My hero – Frank Foley ❤

    They broke the mould with that one.

  80. mh

    I did look it up Tel, but got this

    Turtle heading is when you need to take a shit and it is starting to peer out of your ass. Like a turtle coming out of his shell.

  81. Black Ball

    Good morning all.
    Talking head on Sports Sunday opining on the haka by the All Blacks that it’s one of the great things in sport. This in response to some Irish reporter asking for it to be banned because it gives NZ an unfair advantage. Don’t know about this but talking head suggests Australia should have one. Ahahahahah, he really said this. A job for Adam Goodes awaits.

  82. thefrollickingmole

    mh

    Based on that you can probably guess the definition of “the turtles breath’….

  83. stackja

    PM showed no respect for China in US: ALP
    By AAP
    10:26am Sep 29, 2019
    Labor has accused Scott Morrison of “megaphone diplomacy” during his visit to the US and of taking pot shots at Australia’s largest trading partner.
    The prime minister landed in the US at a time of acute trade tensions between the world’s largest economy and China.
    Mr Morrison and US President Donald Trump both called for global institutions to treat China as a developed country, saying the world’s second-largest economy is clearly no longer of developing status.
    Deputy Opposition Leader Richard Marles disagrees, saying China is still a developing economy under WTO rules, “that is the matter of fact”.
    “From an Australian point of view, that’s something that we should be negotiating and working through with China in a respectful way,” he said.
    “Now, what we saw this week was the prime minister in the United States in the context of there being trade tensions between the US and China and from there taking pot shots against that.”
    Mr Marles, who is also Labor’s defence spokesman, was in China last week delivering a speech to the Beijing Foreign Studies University at the same time Mr Morrison was being feted by President Trump.

    BFSU is directly under the leadership of the Chinese Ministry of Education.

    Chen Baosheng is a Chinese politician and academic administrator. He currently serves as China’s Minister of Education. He formerly served as the party chief and vice-president of the China National School of Administration and vice-president of the Central Party School.

  84. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Hairy does not think he is a ‘poor man’ in any sense of the word, Nick. Financially he is good, and with me he is happy. He knows I go my own way on Catallaxy. He is mostly a very tolerant soul.We spar daily in lively appreciation of the perspectives we take on each other. A lot of it is in fun. Marriages are like that. You have to really like each other and be committed to getting on, making concessions, hugging a lot. If you do not, then usually the marriage doesn’t last. I didn’t get my recent whacking two carats of grade 1 diamonds in an eternity ring because he hates me, sweetie. 🙂

  85. Cassie of Sydney

    “Winston Smith
    #3170502, posted on September 29, 2019 at 11:56 am
    Ellie:

    The man who helped my grandparents escape. My hero – Frank Foley ❤

    They broke the mould with that one.”

    Yep…and also with this man…Nicholas Winton…another hero.

  86. Steve trickler

    Armadillo
    #3170253, posted on September 29, 2019 at 1:17 am
    I’ve yet to hear this as i hit the post button. It should be fun.

    Goodnight all.

    That is seriously funny Steve. I’ve forwarded it to a mate who is a sound engineer and a sceptical conservative. Love the #donothingdemocrat

    They need a clock on the arsehats though.

    Has he picked his jaw up from the ground?



  87. johanna

    I’ve been binge watching NYPD Blue on Daily Motion. High class series from the creators of Hill Street Blues.

    I watched an interview with one of the creators and writers, Steven Bochco. Very smart guy. He admitted that actors are crazy people, and that one of his biggest challenges through this extraordinarily long (over 250 episodes) and successful series was wrangling the actors. He also explained how they execute these things – one team writes the plots, another writes the scripts. For NYPD Blue, they had an invaluable ex-cop with a trove of case files. So, it was a triangular structure with a producer, material source, and writer. Luckily, they all got along reasonably well.

    As Hitchcock said – ‘Actors are cattle.’

  88. Hill Street Blues. The only realistic police show ever made.
    It shows them always doing lots of typing.

  89. Old School Conservative

    some Irish reporter asking for it to be banned because it gives NZ an unfair advantage.

    The definite unfair advantage is enshrined by World Rugby rules – no responses allowed by opposing teams, full match day squad allowed to participate, timing (after the national anthems, not before or inbetween), distance away from ABs (must be on 10m line) and fines is the rules aren’t adhered to.

    The late Greg Smith was unjustifiably hounded for his decision to get his Wallabies to warm up in the 22 while the ABs performed. Lots of head explosion over that, but at least Smith made an issue of pandering to NZ.

  90. feelthebern

    & in an amazing turn of events, facebook, via whatsapp, proudly says it is limiting message forwarding to stop “misinformation”.

    https://www.theverge.com/2019/1/21/18191455/whatsapp-forwarding-limit-five-messages-misinformation-battle

    Now this is something in Australia the ACCC could look at.
    If facebook’s intent is to crush competition to its monetization model, by facebook’s own admission, it is a slam dunk case isn’t it.

  91. johanna

    Steve Trickler, what I see is Tangerine Dream meets abdominal surgery.

    Oh, and the music is not as good as TG.

    What am I missing?

    Speaking of such things:

  92. Exit Stage Right

    At least seven or eight of the ALL BLACKS look decidely white in their Japan team photo.
    How do they get away with that?
    Shouldn’t the team be re-named the Partial Blacks?
    How would a team called the ALL WHITES be received?
    How do the white element go with the HAKA?
    Just imagine the welcome that whiteys joining in a CORROBOREE would receive!

  93. Tom

    I’ve been binge watching NYPD Blue on Daily Motion. High class series from the creators of Hill Street Blues.

    I’ve become a yuuuge fan of NCIS, which is on something called “10 Bold” (Channel 1) — great characters and tight scripts produced, I think, by the same people who did Hill Street Blues. Via a mate I frequently have dinner with who introduced me to it.

  94. Steve trickler

    A friendly shout out to the BOM.



  95. Black Ball:

    Talking head on Sports Sunday opining on the haka by the All Blacks that it’s one of the great things in sport.

    The Haka was good value the first few times it was played.
    Now it’s being performed at the opening of an envelope.
    Sad, really.

  96. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Now it’s being performed at the opening of an envelope.
    Sad, really.

    Like “Welcome to Country?”

  97. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘How do the white element go with the HAKA?’

    ESR,

    They go pretty well with it from all accounts, because the average Maori is far less racist than the average indig.

    Also money.

  98. Some History

    Jeremy Clarkson brands Greta Thunberg a ‘spoilt brat’ who should ‘shut up and get back to school’

    https://metro.co.uk/2019/09/28/jeremy-clarkson-brands-greta-thunberg-spoilt-brat-shut-get-back-school-10823793/

  99. John Constantine

    The Chinese Embassy was upset by this and issued a statement on Wednesday saying Mr Morrison’s assertion didn’t “hold much water”, was “unfair” and “basically an echo of what the US has claimed”.

    The statement went on to say that while China has grown to become the world’s second-largest economy, it ranks 70th when it comes to gross domestic product per capita — the measure of economic output per person.

    Put simply, China has lots of money but it also has lots of people and many of them still live in poverty.

    Or another way. China is run as a feudal Tyranny, with slave labour powering a crushing totalitarian Secret Police State.

    Australia is allowed to ride along and use the chicom slave labour factories to underpin the transformation of the australian economy, but once the eternal Tyrannical feudalism is imposed, then Big Australia becomes:

    has lots of money but it also has lots of people and many of them still live in poverty.

    Just the way The Ton intend.

    Comrades.

  100. Mark from Melbourne

    The UnZud Soccer/diving team is called the All Whites.

  101. C.L.

    I’ve been binge watching NYPD Blue on Daily Motion. High class series from the creators of Hill Street Blues.

    I liked it for about month.
    The running sheet never changed:

    Crime.
    Haetful perp caught.
    Andy Sipowicz (morally outraged) interrogates him harshly.
    Turns out the guy wasn’t the perp.
    Real perp caught.
    Close with an ass shot as two detectives having an affair get it on before the credits.

  102. Knuckle Dragger

    Liability Bob’s posts earlier this morning (500 words of brilliance, remember) on Pope Francis’ musings were certainly instructive.

    They demonstrate that he has crossed into Stalin-style communism (if there was any doubt) and that he should immediately suffer the fate of John Paul I before he does any more damage to the institution he represents.

  103. Top Ender

    Johanna, sounds like you were staying in the Commanding Officer’s house at Creswell.

    Have dined there many times – one CO used to invite 15 trainees to dinner at a time, and staff members were lashed up to accompany.

    Lovely house, but note how it is isolated from all of the others on the base? The CO gets to live in lonely splendour, reflecting the arrangements on board a ship, where he/she is not a member of the Officers’ Mess – the Wardroom.

  104. ZK2A:

    Now it’s being performed at the opening of an envelope.
    Sad, really.

    Like “Welcome to Country?”

    Yes.
    And it will end up generating the same response.

  105. Knuckle Dragger

    Pope Francis has crossed over. Not Liability Bob.

    I know there’s another story in there, but all the same.

  106. Fisky

    Richard Marles reaching m0ntesque levels of stupid

    The Australian
    @australian
    ·
    11m
    Labor’s defence spokesman Richard Marles suggests leveraging military ties with China to win back trust and counter PM’s ‘megaphone diplomacy’ #auspol

  107. Arky

    The haka is the only part of the broadcast I bother to watch.

  108. zyconoclast

    Mercedes F1: Four staff sacked over discrimination of racist or religious nature

    Bosses heard how the disgraced employees — thought to be based in the IT department — had used racist slurs in the smoking area.

    One colleague was allegedly called a “M00slim terr0rist f***”.

    Then, during [email protected]@[email protected], a poll was put up in a staff area on when the man would “break” the religious fast.

    It is understood that workers guessed dates and put their names next to them.

  109. Roger

    Labor’s defence spokesman Richard Marles suggests leveraging military ties with China to win back trust and counter PM’s ‘megaphone diplomacy’

    That’s Marles aiming for a comfortable sinocure after politics.

  110. Steve trickler

    johanna
    #3170516, posted on September 29, 2019 at 12:27 pm
    Steve Trickler, what I see is Tangerine Dream meets abdominal surgery.

    Believe it or not, this bloke has gone above and beyond TG and the like. He’s learn’t from them and evolved.



  111. cohenite

    Nobby’s is one of the longest temperature records in Australia and one of the best due to it’s location; it goes back to 1862 and every maximum in every month is before 1900. But the BoM does not include it in its ACORN 2 record. I wonder why:

    http://www.bom.gov.au/jsp/ncc/cdio/weatherData/av?p_nccObsCode=36&p_display_type=dataFile&p_startYear=&p_stn_num=061055

  112. C.L.

    Talking head on Sports Sunday opining on the haka by the All Blacks that it’s one of the great things in sport.

    I’ve always hated the Haka. They look like heathen idiots. Its performance to show “respect” for somebody who has died or after some calamity or other is even more idiotic. More importantly, though, opposing teams are required to stand there and watch and are not permitted their own psych-ops – like, for example, ignoring it with contempt. The last man to do that was David Campese at the 1991 World Cup and in the game that followed he memorably destroyed the All Blacks.

  113. Knuckle Dragger

    Some excellent stuff, as previously mentioned by others in the WIP today.

    Personal highlights:

    The kiddie lugging a 22 gallon can of fruit on his shoulder – ‘Cool story bro’ to Thunberg on her yacht bitching about stolen childhoods; and
    ‘I want an Oompa Loompa NOW!’

  114. bespoke

    I like NCIS but Bones is the best. The episode when the body came out of the giant Chocolate Bar put my wife of for months.

  115. Knuckle Dragger

    Serious question for rugby union types, vis a vis the Haka:

    Are opposing teams compelled to stand there and be eyeballed by the cannibals while the haka is performed? Is there some sort of world rugby rule to that effect?

    What’s stopping them warming up in the 22 while this is going on, or for that matter standing there giving them the finger, or baring their arses Braveheart-style?

  116. Ellie

    The haka is the only part of the broadcast I bother to watch.

    I can’t breathe while it’s being performed. So powerful and emotional for us Kiwis. Proud as.

  117. Ellie

    I appreciate this version of the haka.
    Noice!

  118. John Constantine

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-09-18/car-makers-costing-consumers-1-billion-in-mechanics-bills/11525002

    The chair of the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission (ACCC) told a parliament inquiry on Wednesday the voluntary data-sharing system that car makers agreed to in 2014 is not working.

    “We are convinced that some form of mandatory arrangement needs to be in place,” Rod Sims told the House of Representatives’ Standing Committee on Economics.

    “The sooner it’s done, you’re going to make life better for the independent repairers, which in turn makes life better for consumers trying to get their cars repaired at the cheapest price.”

    Problem getting ‘progressively worse’

    Committee shocked that the billion dollar a year extortion hasn’t been fixed.

    The full intention, as now starting with farm machinery, is that you pay for, but never own, the physical metal and plastic. It is worthless without paying regular subscriptions to software upgrades and patches, and access to the ” operating system’.

    Old machinery that isn’t slaved to the ‘system’ will be purged by Big Crony State emmissions and safety legislation.

    The days of French farmers driving convoys of tractors in protest into cities will be over, once State controlled secret police software curfews the times and places machinery can drive.

    Electric cars will be just secret police dissenter identification and control pods, as soon as the chicoms get Skynet operational. vikpol slavering to get this tech on OBOR.

    Comrades.

  119. Knuckle Dragger

    NYPD Blue.

    There was considerable rumour that although Melbourne detectives used to wear short sleeved business shirts with ties in the 80s and early 90s, that show spawned a rebirth in the trend during the early and mid 2000s.

    Apparently the practice was known as ‘going the Sipowicz,’ and was restricted to those who weren’t shy about treating their work as a contact sport.

  120. C.L.

    Are opposing teams compelled to stand there and be eyeballed by the cannibals while the haka is performed?

    Yes.
    If you do anything else, New Zealand whines and blugs about “disrespect,” racism etc.

  121. John Constantine

    quoted from a US Auto Care Association report that estimated data sharing in that country saved consumers US$26 billion a year.

    He then asked Mr Sims if that figure suggested the cost to Australian consumers was over $1 billion a year.

    “I can’t fault the arithmetic on that,” Mr Sims replied.

    According to the AAAA, a standard service on a Camry costs about 25-30 per cent more at a dealership than at an independent mechanic.

    It said the same Camry owner would save around $600 on a new set of tyres and new windscreen at an independent mechanic — if the car manufacturers shared the data for recalibration.

  122. If you do anything else, New Zealand whines and blugs about “disrespect,” racism etc.

    Besides NZ chucking a Julian Clary style tanty, is there any enforceable action?

  123. johanna

    Tom, NCIS is not bad, but nowhere as good as NYPD Blue, IMO. And, note that the first partner for Sipowicsz was David Caruso, now the star of CSI Miami. Apparently Caruso was such a pain to work with that he departed by mutual agreement after about a year.

    As with most American crime series, there was too much slushy emotion and, for the first few rounds, every show ended with a couple of cast members having steamy sex. Yawn.

    But, the stories were based on real crimes, and anyone who imagines otherwise does not know much about NYC.

  124. Knuckle Dragger

    The best version of the haka ever was on Hey Hey It’s Saturday when a bunch of rank Kiwi farmers did one to the tune of Old McDonald’s Farm.

    The link escapes me.

  125. Ellie

    I don’t blug (sic), C.L. You’re entitled to your opinion. Most Australians agree with you.

  126. Tel

    It said the same Camry owner would save around $600 on a new set of tyres and new windscreen at an independent mechanic — if the car manufacturers shared the data for recalibration.

    I call B.S. … since when did a new windscreen need recalibration data?

    They are pullin’ your chain buddy!

  127. Ellie:

    I can’t breathe while it’s being performed. So powerful and emotional for us Kiwis. Proud as.

    I’m not knocking the Haka, Ellie.
    What I’m annoyed about is the tradition being abused by people who really don’t give a damn about it, and are using it for its entertainment value – the administrators.
    The Haka is a lot more than entertainment value.

  128. Ellie

    KD, this one is not from Hey Hey, but the same one that Kiwis have taken the piss out of for a long time. Choice as, Bro 😁

  129. Top Ender

    An Acte for the punishment of the vice of Buggerieinteresting reading.

  130. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Seems “Danger Close” – the film about the battle of Long Tan – will be released on D.V.D. at the beginning of December.

  131. Black Ball

    Personally don’t mind the haka but opposing sides shouldn’t have to stand there and observe. I would instruct my players to continue warming up.

  132. John Constantine

    http://www.tatoli.tl/2019/09/27/map-identifika-fahi-mate-tanba-kauza-husi-moras-asf/

    Pig plague in East Timor, only hundreds of pigs dead so far, but will they be the third world country that beats it?.

    Should a fanatic get the idea that introducing pig plague into West Papua would transform it from a pig heresy society and force compliance, then it is as good as into Papua New Guinea.

    The upheaval if all PNG pigs die would be catastrophic.

  133. Ellie

    Winston, to a lot of pakeha Kiwis, the haka is something we were born into and are proud of. Unlike (what appears to be many Australians) in relation to the Aboriginal culture, many Kiwis are proud of the Maori culture.

  134. johanna

    Knuckles, Sipowicz’s short sleeved shirts were a sight to behold.

    In my world, they were associated with shorts and long socks. The shirts were terylene, with blue bands around the sleeves. Public servants. An awful sight.

    He’s a great character, though – an arsehole who redeems himself by being brilliant at his job and throwing a few crumbs now and then to others.

  135. Black Ball

    Local grand final 20 odd years ago, coach instructed his players to observe the anthem and that was it. All the thanking of the hosts of the game, the thanking of the administrators present for their work, congratulating the sides wasn’t part of their plans. Worked a treat, won the match handsomely.

  136. John Constantine

    https://www.repairerdrivennews.com/2018/09/10/toyota-collision-pros-radar-must-be-calibrated-after-some-common-rrs-ris/

    “Some examples of when a Millimeter Wave Radar Sensor should be aligned and calibrated are: Whenever an equipped vehicle has a wheel alignment, has had a sensor removed and reinstalled or replaced, and, when any part that the sensor is attached to has been removed and reinstalled or replaced,” Toyota wrote in Collision Pros. (Emphasis added.) “From a collision repair point of view, that means any time a vehicle has had a bumper cover or grille removed and reinstalled or replaced, or needs a wheel alignment. Whether it’s part of a collision repair or for normal maintenance, the repair manual should be reviewed to confirm if a related system needs adjustment or calibration.”

    This calibration is necessary to protect your customers and those sharing the road with them — not to mention limit your shop’s liability.

  137. Top Ender

    A GOLD Coast dad has pulled his 10-year-old son out of school in protest after students were encouraged to ‘dress like hippies and sing climate change songs’.

    Matt Karlos, a professional pilot, withdrew his son Max from Bilambil Public School ‘near Tweed Heads last week over concerns the youngster was being brainwashed by ‘greenie’ teachers.

    “Max has come home a few times over the last couple of months a bit concerned about some of the green ideologies being pushed on him,” he said.

    “The last straw was early last week when they held a Green Day and wanted the kids to dress up like hippies and sing climate change and environmental songs like (Joni Mitchell’s) Big Yellow Taxi.

    “Max didn’t want a bar of that so we’re looking around for another school.”

    Link

  138. Knuckle Dragger

    All is not lost.

    My 15 yo boy, when questioned as to his opinions on the climate strike, opined that:

    ‘They’re all retarded.’

  139. John Constantine

    If pig plague gets into PNG, what would it cost australia to stabilise the place?.
    Billions you would reckon.

    https://mdf.exposure.co/its-a-pigs-life-in-papua-new-guinea

  140. areff

    As All Blacks start every game with the promise to eat their opponents, the only appropriate response is for the opposition to turn 180 degrees, drop strides and invite them to begin the snacking on their arses.

    Another apt response is the one the Carlton cheer squad should have deployed against Goodes when he threw that imaginary spear: shoulder imaginary muskets and open fire.

  141. Ellie

    My mum died last year. I only ever heard her say one, slightly racist, comment (that was my father’s domain). She said, when the All Blacks were losing (can’t remember the year), it was because of the “brown factor”. 😱

  142. Mater

    Winston, to a lot of pakeha Kiwis, the haka is something we were born into and are proud of. Unlike (what appears to be many Australians) in relation to the Aboriginal culture, many Kiwis are proud of the Maori culture.

    Ellie,
    Non-aboriginal Australians would likely be accused of ‘cultural appropriation’.
    Have a look at these tweets from Danny Teece-Johnson (NITV Producer)

    https://mobile.twitter.com/dannynitv/status/1106037884845359104?lang=en

    https://mobile.twitter.com/i/web/status/1020528327780519936

    How could white Australians possibly participate without criticism? It’s not worth the bother.
    It’s an ‘us and them’ situation, significantly different from NZ.

  143. Black Ball

    La Tigresa race 2 at Caulfield. Omen bet

  144. Black Ball

    Finished 4th after dropping back to the tail of the field over 1100. Not a good start

  145. Rockdoctor

    Interesting Pig Plaque is in Timor-Leste, unsurprising as I have been there & the place was crawling with Chicoms as well as non-existent quarantine at the airport gate as we know it… Probably inadvertently bought in food…

  146. Rockdoctor:

    Interesting Pig Plaque is in Timor-Leste, unsurprising as I have been there & the place was crawling with Chicoms as well as non-existent quarantine at the airport gate as we know it… Probably inadvertently bought in food…

    Here’s thought for you all:
    If you were a member of The Greens, and you had the opportunity to bring a contaminated sample of the pig killer disease, how many in Australia think the person would do it?

  147. John Constantine

    Feeding swill to pigs that contains infected imported scraps is the easiest way to spread pig plague.

    Or if roaming pigs can get at rubbish bins and tips.

    PNG going one belt one road, with all the chicom techies and labourers that entails, crap quarantine and the pig plague risk is all theoretical until it isn’t.

  148. Black Ball
    #3170578, posted on September 29, 2019 at 1:33 pm

    Finished 4th after dropping back to the tail of the field over 1100. Not a good start

    Try Royal Ace in the 3rd race

    It rhymes

  149. Sinclair Davidson

    https://youtu.be/Z_WEP9ZkpS4

    The haka is a great spectacle. What I don’t understand is why New Zealanders expect everyone else to stand there and show respect while they perform it.

  150. Sinclair Davidson

    when the All Blacks were losing (can’t remember the year)

    Because it happens so often? 🙂 {runs away}

  151. Mark from Melbourne

    Because it happens so often?

    I suspect because Ellie was barely born that year!

    On the haka, my understanding is that “being respectful” is mandated by the IRU. That said, they aren’t going to penalise you in game, so who gives a toss what they “mandate”?

    Obviously, the ARU would sack anyone who was so crass as to do so, but surely there must be one Rugby nation with come ticker?

  152. stackja

    A later Sipowicz:

    Carmine Lorenzo : [Lorenzo tears ticket up] Ah, what the hell; it’s Christmas!

  153. Knuckle Dragger

    Posted not as a slap (or scratch) at Toby Greene:

    His old man (who hasn’t had any relationship with his kid in years) is in the bin for headbutting a copper at the G yesterday.

    Didn’t apply for bail, and said he needed suboxone whilst incarcerated. Which means he already has a history of some significance, and also that he’s coming off hillbilly heroin or some other opioid.

    Reading between the lines, he’s a piece of shit and deserves every day of the mandatory six months.

    If, of course, he gets it.

  154. Rockdoctor

    Winston I have no doubt they would do it. Fireblight outbreak & apples was an eye opener to me…

    That aside T-L was when I saw it hopelessly backwards, great interesting Geology though. Colour tinges in some of the rocks made me think there is a bit of copper & associated minerals around the place…

  155. Rex Mango

    For Sale; 1 x GWS guernsey – almost new, worn once – beer stained & couple cigarette burns, no lipstick, or leather stains. No tyre kickers.

  156. thefrollickingmole

    The pig plague is unfortunately a fairly resilient one.

    Can linger on in processed meat for some time.
    Quarantine still allow processed packed meat in from Asia, in particular this delightful tasty little snagger

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2019-09-18/one-quarter-of-worlds-pigs-killed-by-swine-fever/11524134
    ASF can live in meat, even if it is heavily processed, for years and there is a lot of pressure on Australian border security to keep tourists and importers from bringing contaminated products into the country.

    If contaminated pork is fed to a pig, the results for Australian agriculture would be catastrophic.

    “It’s why swill feeding [the practice of feeding scraps to pigs] is illegal in Australia,” Mr Whitelaw said.

    Still Im 100% sure the Chinese wouldnt process a diseased pig into a sausage, arent you?

  157. Rex Mango

    Ellie, enjoyed those Elvis clips:

  158. Ellie

    Because it happens so often? 

    Doomlord, Master, Sir – you clearly don’t follow rugby union.

  159. thefrollickingmole

    The pig plague is unfortunately a fairly resilient one.

    Can linger on in processed meat for some time.
    Quarantine still allow processed packed meat in from Asia, in particular this delightful tasty little snagger (link removed, spamminator is HUNGRY)

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2019-09-18/one-quarter-of-worlds-pigs-killed-by-swine-fever/11524134
    ASF can live in meat, even if it is heavily processed, for years and there is a lot of pressure on Australian border security to keep tourists and importers from bringing contaminated products into the country.

    If contaminated pork is fed to a pig, the results for Australian agriculture would be catastrophic.

    “It’s why swill feeding [the practice of feeding scraps to pigs] is illegal in Australia,” Mr Whitelaw said.

    Still Im 100% sure the Chinese wouldnt process a diseased pig into a sausage, arent you?

  160. Ellie

    Your clip at 1:46pm, Doomlord – me thinks the Kiwis would have been laughing at what was revealed under the kilts. It was winter, afterall … and they weren’t (all) blacks. 😁

  161. John Constantine

    Biological warfare through pig plague.

    When South Korea got it, the thought of bastardry was in the background.

    If West Papua gets it, the suspicion is there as well.

    Australia has already discovered pig plague in quarantine inspections at airports in imported pig products. The australian pig industry is ramping up on farm quarantine all the time, and free range pigs are going out fast, everything being locked up in sheds now.

    Swill feeding is illegal in Australia
    This means that it is illegal to feed food waste containing meat or other mammalian by-products to pigs. Swill may contain serious exotic diseases that could devastate our livestock industries and stop our meat products being exported.

  162. areff

    As the haka reflects proud the Maori heritage of eating one’s neighbours (because they had killed off every other source of protein), Australian teams should follow their lead and honour our own heritage, as taught in schools:

    When the haka is done and the ill-mannered competitors put their tongues back in, they should be ceremonially presented with some poison flour and diseased blankets.

  163. Knuckle Dragger

    I watched it on Fox, John C.

    It’s the reason I wear hockey shin guards under the tailored pant. And, if a 20/20 game involving punters from interstate, a box as well.

    Nearly had my leg broken by some enterprising batsman at the end of the season up here. Walked off with 30 mins to go in the day to ice it, like a great big girl.

    Didn’t rub it though. The cardinal rule remains unbroken.

  164. Tintarella di Luna

    Winston Smith
    #3169817, posted on September 28, 2019 at 12:49 pm

    Winston you are a card, and should be dealt with. 😉 Just catching up, not not really, you’re all so way ahead.

  165. Rex Mango

    Amusing watching Irish lose to Japan last night in world cup. Most embarrassing for them. Almost got into fight with some green shirted fans when I commented on the result.

  166. Sinclair Davidson

    you clearly don’t follow rugby union.

    No. But I’m reliably informed the All Blacks are chokers. 🙂

  167. Rex Mango

    Wannabees playing today around 5.30pm, not healthy to get off football/alcohol too sudden, so shall force myself to watch.

  168. Rex Mango

    On this haka topic, Sam Scott-Young did more than most to make it entertaining:

  169. Ellie

    No. But I’m reliably informed the All Blacks are chokers

    Chokers? The only choker I know of is a leather one, usually worn around the neck.

  170. Rex Mango

    Serena Williams is a choker. Stuck in neutral at 23 grand slams, five yard from the top of the hill.

  171. Ellie

    I don’t like her politics, but our Mayor,Clover Moore, sometimes wears a choker well.

  172. Entropy

    Swill feeding is illegal in Australia
    This means that it is illegal to feed food waste containing meat or other mammalian by-products to pigs. Swill may contain serious exotic diseases that could devastate our livestock industries and stop our meat products being exported.

    Amazing how often feeding swill happens. It’s why I reckon pet pigs, like pet rabbits, should be illegal. Pet pig owners always feed food scraps. The only blessing is they are less likely to come in contact with other susceptible animals.
    The pricks who do feed swill always reckon they know better.
    And then there are the vast armies of foreign students sneaking in a bit of home cooked from Mum.

  173. Tom

    Reading between the lines, he’s a piece of shit and deserves every day of the mandatory six months.

    It’s Victoriastan, KD. You haven’t been here since Liars attorney-general Rob Hulls stacked the judiciary with Labor maates between 1999 and 2010.

    Said piece of shit only headbutted a female copper: he’ll get a good behaviour bond after the beak apologises for him having been locked up. Mandatory six months? Don’t make me laugh. Beaks down here don’t enforce the rules unless they feel like it.

    There are 1-5 stories a night on the TV news down here about families demanding justice for pieces of shit who’ve been let off violent crimes scot-free.

    For example, the going rate for pieces of shit in Victoriastan who murder their spouses and get it plea-bargained down to manslaughter is 3-4 years time served.

  174. Knuckle Dragger

    As a young boy in my little Mallee town, I had two rabbits.

    Then, suddenly I had 14 rabbits. I thought this was exceptional, and behaved accordingly. Bunnies everywhere, and I made a clear distinction between them and the ravenous vermin decimating the farms at the time.

    Then somehow, as if by magic, they all developed myxo in the space of two weeks and died.

    *squints eyes*
    *looks at Dad*

  175. Eyrie

    The SpaceX Starship presentation was pretty good. A shiny silver 50 meter tall spaceship with spotlights on it. Cool!
    The folks at ULA, the Euros and the Russians, along with the Chinese just saw their lunches being eaten. Not to mention the tax parasites at NASA.

  176. Rex Mango

    Caulfield Cup in three weeks. Wikipedia reckons MRC in process of turning it into a weight for age race. Any truth to this and wouldn’t that undermine the Melbourne Cup as a handicap?

  177. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Mount Claremont Primary School Royal Show parking volunteer robbed at knife point
    Sarah Steger
    PerthNow
    September 29, 2019 11:14AM
    Topics
    WA News

    Day two of the Royal Show is off to a shock start after a volunteer parking attendant was held up and robbed at knife point at Mount Claremont Primary School this morning.

    Armed Robbery Squad officers say around 9.25am a man allegedly brandishing a knife jumped out of a stolen white Pajero and ran into the primary school’s car park at the corner of Alfred Road and Jacaranda Avenue.

    The man with the blade allegedly ran towards a female P&C member before ripping a bag of cash from her hand and running away.

    At least six police crews are searching for the man, who left in the Pajero about 9.30am.

    The dog squad was dispatched to the school but cancelled shortly after.

    Police are currently speaking to at least three witnesses inside the primary school, one of whom is believed to be the female victim.

    It is understood the woman was on her own when the robbery unfolded, but that several volunteers came to her aid as soon as they witnessed the terrifying theft.

  178. Knuckle Dragger

    Tom,

    Fair enough – I was there for the first half of that time period, but clearly the full effect of the appointments had yet to be felt.

    I thought it was bad enough when a certain ladeeee magistrate came down from her seat and hugged two Asian gents convicted of trafficking heroin – for the fourth time, after giving them a community-based order because all people are good.

  179. Rex Mango

    Reiwoldt was best on ground for Richmond.

  180. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘For example, the going rate for pieces of shit in Victoriastan who murder their spouses and get it plea-bargained down to manslaughter is 3-4 years time served.’

    Yep. The risk-averse OPP agree to these routinely, and defence counsel have learnt to quickly offer a plea to the lesser charge.

    The judge, however, has the discretion to look at the deal offered and the circumstances of the offence, and tell both parties to fuck off and hold a moida trial.

    But they don’t.

  181. JC

    Earlier on , some people were posting comments almost implying nuclear energy is some out of this world dream. Get it together. There are 450 reactors around the world producing a decent percentage of the world’s energy needs.

    Number of Operable Reactors Worldwide
    Around 10% of the world’s electricity is generated by about 450 nuclear power reactors. About 50 more reactors are under construction, equivalent to about 15% of existing capacity. In 2018 nuclear plants supplied 2563 TWh of electricity, up from 2503 TWh in 2017.

    Innovating reactors is not like re-inventing the wheel and a great deal of the thinking is how to make them much safer in case of a shut down.

    Bruce;

    There is reasonable hope for cold fusion. There’s the flicking on of the switch expected in 2025 in France that’s a giant collaboration of some 35 countries. Fusion is what powers the sun, as you know. It’s not a leap of faith to think we can replicate it here on earth. All our technology fundamentally comes from what we observe around us and we then do it better to fit with human needs. Cold Fusion will get done.

  182. Tom

    Riewoldt was best on ground for Richmond.

    For me, too. His kicking for goal was awesome and won the game for the Tigers when it was still a contest. He should have a Norm Smith medal around his neck.

  183. mh

    Impeach everyone because I believe!

    Elizabeth Warren
    @ewarren
    I still believe Dr. Christine Blasey Ford. And like the man who appointed him, Brett Kavanaugh should be impeached.
    10:46 AM · Sep 28, 2019

  184. Rex Mango

    No problems with nuclear waste disposal. Would happily dump all the waste down the oceanic trenches, as those smoker vents have been pumping out tremendous amounts of pollution 24/7 for billions of years. Nine kilometres underwater in the Marrianas Trench will not bother anyone.

  185. JC

    Eyrie
    #3170616, posted on September 29, 2019 at 2:27 pm

    The SpaceX Starship presentation was pretty good. A shiny silver 50 meter tall spaceship with spotlights on it. Cool!
    The folks at ULA, the Euros and the Russians, along with the Chinese just saw their lunches being eaten. Not to mention the tax parasites at NASA.

    Eyrie

    They say the rocket is reusable, but is it really? Sure, they will use the same basic unit, but once back on earth there will be some very serious refit done to it because of the pounding it receives, no? What, I think, this means – describing the reuse – will be that the geeks essentially retrofit the rocket so it can go again. But how much saving? There is likely to be some marginal saving, but I’m uncertain it will not be much compared to potential scaling that could be enjoyed from building entirely new rockets.

  186. Rex Mango

    In grand finals, goal kicking is king. Martin missed a couple and one early, where as Jack R went back and slotted some very difficult ones with the whole world watchng. That third quarter Richmond did their best to throw the match away through points and if they had’ve had an opponent who wasn’t an under 18’s team, they would have lost.

  187. Steve trickler

    Repeat.

    A big shout out to Foreign Correspondent @ABC.

    It only goes for 50 minutes.



  188. cohenite

    Cold Fusion will get done.

    Huh? Are you off your meds?

    Google low energy nuclear reactions (LENR). And Rossi and Focardi.

    You might be confusing making money from cold fusion scams as opposed to cold fusion being a reliable or even imaginable source of energy.

  189. mh

    Headline at Infowars.com

    NETFLIX MOVIE DEPICTS TIME-TRAVELING LIBERALS CARRYING OUT “PRE-CRIME” MURDER OF PATRIOTS TO PREVENT AMERICAN UPRISING AGAINST GLOBALISM

  190. Rex Mango

    Australia should rather than just mina and sell yellowcake overseas, enrich the stuff and use it to 1. generate electricity, 2. run our submarines and 3. sell it overseas, then we could vertically integrate the industry by having a nuclear waste disposal complex run by remote communities in the centre of the country.

  191. JC

    Bespoke

    I think it was in the previous thread you asked about the administrative state.
    Yes, it is evil as Albert Nock discussed in his book, “The Enemy the State”, that was actually written in the 30s.

    Look at what’s just occurred this week. The ATO is back to threatening citizens again by saying the agency will audit 1 million Australian taxpayers this year. This level of pure evil and evil intent should not be tolerated. The scumbags should never be allowed to threaten anyone. These sorts of actions should only ever come from the government.

    The administrative state is pure evil as we see in the US and here. I think it’s worse here because the punters are like sheep. We basically accept anything thrown at us.

    Nock argues that government is fine. It’s the administrative state we should clock on the head. Remember this dude wrote the book in the 30s and he picked up on it in its infancy – at least in the US. Look at it now.

  192. Rex Mango

    Think am about to generate some cold fusion myself.

  193. Eyrie

    JC, what they are going to do at ITER in France isn’t Cold Fusion. It is very hot indeed fusion. I’m still a fan of IEC (Inertial Electrostatic Confinement) as promoted by the late Dr Robert Bussard. ITER is a jobs project and scientist’s plaything.
    The Sun is a pathetic fusion reactor. It is just that there is a lot of it. We need to improve the energy density by orders of magnitude for a useful power source on Earth.
    Re the Starship, I suggest you look at the SpaceX presentation on Youtube, also the Q&A afterwards. The aim is launch, land , re-fuel /minor inspect and launch again. Everything about the design is aimed at that. Totally re-usable heat shielding, non coking rocket engines due to using methane instead of kerosene etc.
    Just like jet airliners. Musk talked of one booster/Starship being capable of delivering 150,000 tonnes of payload per year to low Earth orbit.

  194. Top Ender

    Good article over at Quadrant:

    It might come as a surprise to some, but Greta Thunberg isn’t the first teenager whose innocence has been tapped to wrap the Left’s agenda in persuasive emotionalism.

    Few these days recall Samantha Smith, the Maine 10-year-old who wrote in 1983 to USSR supremo Yuri Andropov to plead for world peace and nuke-free happiness. This happened when the Left was telling all and sundry that Ronald Reagan was intent on pushing the button and plunging the world into nuclear winter. Invited to visit Moscow, she was feted with fawning TV interviews, radio broadcasts, newspaper coverage and a trip to the Young Pioneers in Crimea, the best children’s resort in what was then the USSR.

    Link

  195. cohenite

    mh

    #3170636, posted on September 29, 2019 at 2:48 pm

    Headline at Infowars.com

    NETFLIX MOVIE DEPICTS TIME-TRAVELING LIBERALS CARRYING OUT “PRE-CRIME” MURDER OF PATRIOTS TO PREVENT AMERICAN UPRISING AGAINST GLOBALISM

    The movie is this shit:

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8110640/?ref_=tt_urv

    The reviews are scathing. Can you imagine a movie about conservatives coming back and killing alarmists, greenies and commies? I reckon if they did, they should start with soros; make a movie about it that is.

  196. Eyrie

    SpaceX will eat everybody else’s lunch as a minor amusing diversion while delivering stuff to the Moon and Mars.

  197. JC

    Cronkite

    I’ve never been on meds and you’re very, very ghey. There’s no time prediction in my comment about when it will get done. But it will.

    If you really want me to show a leg and make a prediction on when it will be around, I’d say not before 2070.

    Fusion is not some magic trick. It occurs on the sun, which is how we get our energy. Every single technological transformation is something that occurs naturally and the we build on it and do it so it fits our needs.

    Travel, communication, food prep… everything .. we re-master stuff to fit our needs.

    By the way, nice work on finding that temp issue that you spoke about earlier. Stick to this (temp record) and nothing else, unless you just want to shoot the breeze with me about…. nothing much.

  198. JC

    JC, what they are going to do at ITER in France isn’t Cold Fusion. It is very hot indeed fusion. I’m still a fan of IEC (Inertial Electrostatic Confinement) as promoted by the late Dr Robert Bussard. ITER is a jobs project and scientist’s plaything.

    Okay, but lets see if they get a reactor up and going by 2025, which is the promise. Notwithstanding that, there are also a few private attempts at the moment too.

    The Sun is a pathetic fusion reactor. It is just that there is a lot of it. We need to improve the energy density by orders of magnitude for a useful power source on Earth.

    Yep, humans do that quite well. Our legs are pathetic transport devices especially for long trips etc and we can’t fly, but the technology helped us travel long distances and allowed us to fly.

    Re the Starship, I suggest you look at the SpaceX presentation on Youtube, also the Q&A afterwards. The aim is launch, land , re-fuel /minor inspect and launch again. Everything about the design is aimed at that. Totally re-usable heat shielding, non coking rocket engines due to using methane instead of kerosene etc.
    Just like jet airliners. Musk talked of one booster/Starship being capable of delivering 150,000 tonnes of payload per year to low Earth orbit.

    Okay, so you’re saying there will be m very little retrofit once it’s back on earth… right? Amazing.

  199. Rex Mango:

    Australia should rather than just mina and sell yellowcake overseas, enrich the stuff and use it to 1. generate electricity, 2. run our submarines and 3. sell it overseas, then we could vertically integrate the industry by having a nuclear waste disposal complex run by remote communities in the centre of the country.

    In Australia, it’s raining soup and the law says buckets are illegal.
    Australia – never missing an opportunity to miss an opportunity.

  200. JC

    Eyrie

    What’s the price they will charge to get the thing into orbit? Do you know?

  201. cohenite

    Fusion is not some magic trick. It occurs on the sun, which is how we get our energy. Every single technological transformation is something that occurs naturally and the we build on it and do it so it fits our needs.

    Yes sweetie, but you said cold fusion which is like saying bill Clinton is a virgin. As eyrie said hot fusion has really, really nasty containment issues because it’s so hot, much hotter than the Sun. As for all technology being an extension of nature consider LASERs.

  202. Zatara

    The aim is launch, land , re-fuel /minor inspect and launch again. Everything about the design is aimed at that.

    That’ll work fine until the first manned one torches itself and the people in it.

    Then, assuming they survive the lawsuits intact, they are going to have the bejezuz regulated out of them.

    Costs will skyrocket as will down-time between flights.

    Just ask Boeing.

  203. JC

    LASERs.

    You mean.. light? Man created light has been around since Edison, you very ghey individual. Greens consider man made light to be evil, but lets leave that aside.Lasers are an extension of previous developments like… oh the light bulb.

  204. JC

    That’ll work fine until the first manned one torches itself and the people in it.

    A few decades ago the ratio was about 1 in 70 .. of these. Has it reduced at all as I haven’t kept up with the stat?.

  205. thefrollickingmole

    Traitors are cocrened that the WORDS are causing a problem, not their ACTIONS…

    Just how out of touch do you have to be to think its the words that are the source of peoples discontent?
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/28/speaker-john-bercow-summons-party-leaders-to-peace-talks

    It has emerged that West Yorkshire Police are investigating three serious threats against Sherriff in the wake of her heated exchange with Johnson last Wednesday. Sherriff, MP for Dewsbury, told the Observer that following the confrontation her office received hundreds of abusive messages in less than two days. “People are parroting his words in the emails we are getting: you voted for the surrender act, capitulation. People are so angry and the fact that we have a prime minister who is deliberately stoking up this toxic atmosphere is beyond irresponsible,” she said.

    So words are irresponsible, but blocking a brexit through court action, deliberate delays and political gamesmanship is just peachy…

  206. Arky

    Dunno why european and british teams never responded to the haka with something like bagpipes or a drummer.
    It’s all about a spectacle and it isn’t as if we don’t all come from martial cultures with analogous traditions that would add to the atmosphere.

  207. Infidel Tiger

    Cops closed Wellington Parade last evening, so it was impossible to get an Uber or taxi. Instead you were accosted by subcontinental touts offering to drive you for ludicrous sums of money.

    Inner city Melbourne is a third world hellhole.

  208. Arky

    Imagine the shiver going up your spine if a lone piper stood facing the haka.
    Or if the opposing team stood in ranks to attention with a drummer.
    Couldn’t happen now because we have mainly lost those martial traditions.
    More likely to wave rainbow flags and watch some bloke getting fisted in modern Oz.

  209. JC

    Inner city Melbourne is a third world hellhole.

    Oh Stop. You’re surrounded by Richmond supporters and now complaining the place is a third world hellhole. Did you see them? Is there no end of whining form you about Melbourne.

  210. mh

    Cohenite, I see on your link to the movie it says ‘written by netflix’.

    Of course, at the behest of Obama. Or Soros. 😄

  211. thefrollickingmole

    And then there are the vast armies of foreign students sneaking in a bit of home cooked from Mum.

    They dont have to sneak it in, those snags i tried to link to above are available in Asian delis and some supermarkets already.
    Our traditional approach has been “If its processed and in a packet its probably ok”.
    I think they should be a little more clever and bar pork imports of any variety from affected countries.
    Even go so far as to pay limited compo to suppliers by way of “apology”.

    All to go back to normal if they come up with a vaccine.
    The Pom Mad cow disease as a template.

  212. stackja

    Greta MSM probably missed this:

    PROTECTING RELIGIOUS FREEDOM: President Trump is committed to defending the religious freedom of all people, in the United States and around the world.

    President Trump is the first President of the United States to host a meeting at the United Nations on religious freedom.
    President Trump has made protecting religious freedom of all Americans a key priority of his Administration.
    President Trump has taken action to ensure Americans are not forced to violate their religious beliefs and signed an executive order to enhance religious freedom.
    The Trump Administration has stood up for religious freedom at a time when it has come under threat around the world.
    The Administration launched the Religious Freedom Ministerial, bringing together foreign officials, organizations, and advocates to fight religious persecution.

  213. Mark A

    Arky
    #3170658, posted on September 29, 2019 at 3:17 pm

    Dunno why european and british teams never responded to the haka with something like bagpipes or a drummer.
    It’s all about a spectacle and it isn’t as if we don’t all come from martial cultures with analogous traditions that would add to the atmosphere.

    The man is onto something here, no doubt.
    Imagine a team with imagination and a good choreographer could pull this off, it would be a great spectacle.
    Bring it on I say.

  214. JC

    I love watching explosions. These are great… from a distance.

    Curious why Tickler has never put up any explosion vids even though he once tried to plaster us with an Abba vid once.

  215. thefrollickingmole

    Cohenite

    Was that the right movie, blurb says its about a serial killer?

  216. Ellie

    Arky – Bro – the game starts here!

  217. Eyrie

    Zatara, the US is regulating private spaceflight on the basis of informed consent of the participants. It is acknowledged by all that it will be riskier than airlines, at least at first. Branson’s outfit killed a test pilot so far and several ground crew during ground tests. They are still going. As is NASA. What’s their count again, caused by sheer bureaucratic laziness and inertia?
    We are still flying airliners despite the occasional accidents and the Boeing hysteria caused by third world monkeys who couldn’t fly will eventually cease.
    JC the numbers being spruiked around at $10 million per flight for Starship. For 150 tonnes payload. About $70 per kilo. Falcon 9 is about $3000 per kilo. Shuttle was about $10,000 per kilo.
    SpaceX can miss the cost by an order of magnitude and still be cheaper than anyone else by a wide margin.

  218. thefrollickingmole

    Dunno why european and british teams never responded to the haka with something like bagpipes or a drummer.

    Because “we” won the world with activities like that, last thing the rest of the world wants is whities getting martial at them again..

    Its ok to humor the losers by letting them act out, but a little more frightening if someone started doing this in response.

  219. Rex Mango

    here’s a good Australian haka:

  220. Knuckle Dragger

    Mole, 3.14 pm;

    Paula Sheriff, Pom MP (and from the look of her, rampant toast monster) apparently believes that the sheeple will parrot everything they hear, and therefore go mental when they hear about the aptly-named ‘Surrender Act’ referred to by BoJo.

    What she fails to comprehend is that her own actions, along with those of her seditious colleagues have resulted in the abusive emails directed at her office, not the PM using the word ‘surrender’.

    To paraphrase, ‘We voted to go. Why have we not left?’ And there’s only one answer to that, and that is the elites are ignoring the hoi polloi and want to stay welded to unelected globalists who demonstrably want their own made up laws to take precedence over those of sovereign nations.

    Like I said. The Second Anarchy beckons.

  221. JC

    No kidding.

    This is the Dutch Socialist party leader’s name.

    Martinus Josephus Maria “Tiny” Kox is a Dutch politician. As a member of the Socialist Party he has been a member of the Senate as well as Senate leader since 10 June 2003.

  222. Arky

    …and the All Blacks complete the Haka… Now the Wallabies prepare for the traditional response.., they have brought the gimp out onto the field… the All Blacks once again seem to have no idea of how to respond to the fisting of the gimp… oh really! That is a spectacular fisting… oh gee yeah Brian, that had to intimidate the All Blacks, they don’t know where to look…

  223. cohenite

    thefrollickingmole

    #3170668, posted on September 29, 2019 at 3:28 pm

    Cohenite

    Was that the right movie, blurb says its about a serial killer?

    Yep: have a gander at the reviews:

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8110640/reviews?ref_=tt_urv

  224. cohenite

    Trump really has his hands full:

    There are common threads that run through an organization repeatedly relied upon in the so-called whistleblower’s complaint about President Donald Trump and CrowdStrike, the outside firm utilized to conclude that Russia hacked the Democratic National Committee’s servers since the DNC would not allow the U.S. government to inspect the servers.

    One of several themes is financing tied to Google, whose Google Capital led a $100 million funding drive that financed Crowdstrike. Google Capital, which now goes by the name of CapitalG, is an arm of Alphabet Inc., Google’s parent company. Eric Schmidt, the chairman of Alphabet, has been a staunch and active supporter of Hillary Clinton and is a longtime donor to the Democratic Party.

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/09/28/common-funding-themes-link-whistleblower-complaint-and-crowdstrike-firm-certifying-dnc-russia-hack/

  225. Arky

    Because “we” won the world with activities like that, last

    ..
    The Maori kicked “our” arses.

  226. thefrollickingmole

    Arky

    I thought the all blacks did well responding to it right up until the “givers” began clapping…. Mid fisting.

  227. zyconoclast

    Ellie
    #3170547, posted on September 29, 2019 at 12:54 pm
    I appreciate this version of the haka.
    Noice!

    Looked like a lezo warm up session

  228. Mitch M.

    Dunno why european and british teams never responded to the haka with something like bagpipes or a drummer.
    It’s all about a spectacle and it isn’t as if we don’t all come from martial cultures with analogous traditions that would add to the atmosphere.

    Just call out in unison what it is. Cannibals! Cannibals!

  229. Knuckle Dragger

    In response to the haka, punters representing those awful colonialist countries should wheel out a D12 or something and start digging a mass grave.

  230. Rex Mango

    FM, 2 rounds in 3.5min not exactly fast. You could imagine that at Waterloo etc, the average soldier would’ve only fired about 10 times.

  231. Knuckle Dragger

    Or a pyramid of gold bullion and half a dozen Vickers guns.

  232. Infidel Tiger

    Oh Stop. You’re surrounded by Richmond supporters and now complaining the place is a third world hellhole. Did you see them? Is there no end of whining form you about Melbourne.

    Yes but they are my kind of feral!

    Besides I was in the Members, well away from the riffraff.

  233. Knuckle Dragger

    Or a wheeled cart. With a boiling billy on it.

  234. Ellie

    Looked like a lezo warm up session

    Hot lezos!

    They were groupies.

  235. Arky

    I wouldn’t be so quick with the cannibal comments.
    Modern society is a cannibal culture.
    Babies harvested for organs.
    Not so superior right now in my view.

  236. Knuckle Dragger

    Or a Moa skeleton.

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