Update. Chinese electric cars and Putin turns Green. Even More climate lunacy.

Beware of Chinese electric cars.

Chinese electric vehicle sales start to contract alongside traditional vehicle sales that have been falling for more than a year. The nation is the world’s largest NEV market, after building up huge capacity on the back of generous government incentives. But the huge buildup, often using older technologies, has led to observations that much of the nation’s output is far from cutting-edge.

Putin pivots to turn Green in a cynical ploy to stay on side with the woke West.

Putin, who presides over the world’s fourth-largest emitter, is trying to position himself as a leader of the same transnational regulatory movement that his first economic adviser compared to fascism. After three and half years of foot-dragging, Putin has finally decided to ratify the 2015 Paris Agreement — and the reasons have less to do with the fate of the planet than with geopolitics and gross domestic product.

A doomsday timeline from 1966 “no oil in 10 years”. Well they tried to warn us!

An Indian soulmate for Greta.

An Indian girl was among the 16 young activists filing a complaint at the United Nations accusing countries of inaction on climate change.

Pandey’s interest in the climate started in 2013, when huge floods devastated Uttarakhand state in northern India. Her father, Dinesh Pandey, a wildlife conservationist, began explaining issues like global warming to her because she asked endless questions about the natural disaster.

“We (adults) just talk a lot,” said Dinesh Pandey, who accompanied his daughter to New York. “This is not right. They are betraying the future generations. I am standing with my daughter, and I am proud that my daughter is standing with everyone on the global level in this mission.”

“I don’t think our government is fulfilling all of its Paris agreement (climate) responsibilities,” said Ridhima Pandey, pointing out India’s continuing dependence on fossil fuels.

“It makes me very angry,” she said. “They shouldn’t concentrate just on development. What will we do with all this development if we are not going to have a future?”

Meanwhile forty years ago.

UNITED NATIONS (AP) _ A senior U.N. environmental official says entire nations could be wiped off the face of the Earth by rising sea levels if the global warming trend is not reversed by the year 2000.

Coastal flooding and crop failures would create an exodus of ″eco- refugees,′ ′ threatening political chaos, said Noel Brown, director of the New York office of the U.N. Environment Program, or UNEP.

He said governments have a 10-year window of opportunity to solve the greenhouse effect before it goes beyond human control.

As the warming melts polar icecaps, ocean levels will rise by up to three feet, enough to cover the Maldives and other flat island nations, Brown told The Associated Press in an interview on Wednesday.

Coastal regions will be inundated; one-sixth of Bangladesh could be flooded, displacing a fourth of its 90 million people. A fifth of Egypt’s arable land in the Nile Delta would be flooded, cutting off its food supply, according to a joint UNEP and U.S. Environmental Protection Agency study.

Good news everyone! According to Michael Bloomberg, the primary anti-coal activist in the world, President Xi Jinping is not a dictator because he listens to the people’s demand for climate action.

MICHAEL BLOOMBERG: China is doing a lot. Yes, they’re still building a bunch of coal-fired power plants
HOOVER: And they’re still burning coal.
BLOOMBERG: Yes they are. But, they are now moving plants away from the cities. The Communist Party wants to stay in power in China and they listen to the public. When the public says ‘I can’t breathe the air,’ Xi Jinping is not a dictator. He has to satisfy his constituents, or he’s not going to survive.
HOOVER: He’s not a dictator?
BLOOMBERG: No, he has a constituency to answer to.
HOOVER: He doesn’t have a vote, he doesn’t have a democracy. He’s not held accountable by voters. Is the check on him just a revolution?
BLOOMBERG: You’re not going to have a revolution. No government survives without the will of the majority of its people.

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Even more good news! But you might have missed it at the time. In 2015 Xi Jinping was going to help the poor nations of the world to reduce their emissions.

China followed up its promise Friday to create the world’s largest cap-and-trade program with yet another significant climate policy announcement: It will commit to spending $3.1 billion to help developing countries slash their greenhouse gas emissions and adapt to climate change. China’s financial commitment, along with its new carbon market, are part of a comprehensive package of climate measures to be announced at a joint press conference featuring US President Barack Obama and Chinese President Xi Jinping on Friday in Washington, DC.

A skeptical comment on this initiative.

As WUWT previously reported, there is currently a coal energy rush occurring in Asia – both China and Japan are competing to finance massive industrialisation and increased coal generator capacity in poor countries.

How can financing coal capacity be reconciled with public statements about reducing CO2 emissions? As Japan helpfully explained, they consider building coal plants in poor countries to be “climate finance”, when the coal plants in question are high efficiency supercritical coal generators.

The net outcome of this charade, in my opinion, is Western politicians are committing to skyrocketing energy prices and unworkable renewables schemes, inanely celebrating that everyone is onboard with their lunacy, while at the same time, China and Japan are busy helping their Asian neighbours make coal power even cheaper.

Unhelpful movements in the latest Newspoll. Albanese is up, the ALP is down 2 points but their loss is picked up by the Greens and the Coalition primary vote is down a point.

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44 Responses to Update. Chinese electric cars and Putin turns Green. Even More climate lunacy.

  1. Some History

    An Indian soulmate for Greta.

    Hey! Is that Harry Potter after a sex change?

  2. stackja

    Red China coal power is good. Leftists in West coal power is bad.

  3. Viva

    We flew into Shanghai a couple of days ago and noted the array of wind turbines surrounding the airport.

    We suspect they are deliberately placed there – and nowhere else lol – to give the impression that China is doing it’s bit with renewables

  4. duncanm

    No government survives without the will of the majority of its people.

    in the end, I guess this is true.

    It might take 100 million deaths, though.

  5. Rafe Champion

    Potemkin wind factories!

  6. Entropy

    duncanm
    #3171063, posted on September 29, 2019 at 10:06 pm
    You won’t read much about the August temperatures in Oz, either.

    BoM reports: very much above average minimums in Port Hedland! The worrying trend of climate change continues with minimum temperatures in NW WA well above average for August. Scott Morrison has no climate policy. Clearly. Unlike those nice greens.

  7. Dr Fred Lenin

    Duncann , by the look of that weather map it looks like my institutes prediction of Global Colding is creeping in ,you will notice the hottest days ever are confined to a smaller area than previously indicated by the climateers. Greenland will grow bigger again and the glaciers will increase in size ,Santa will get back his North Pole and the penguins at the South Pole will have to walk further to their nesting gtrounds ,poor little buggers . The Dr Fred Institute is right again .

  8. John Constantine

    No government survives without the will of the majority of the most violently motivated of its military age people.

    So indoctrinate the children to purge dissent and mass import millions of military age males from the worlds poorest countries.

    Medicate the proles with will sapping and addictive Big Pharma products.

    Problem solved.

    Those plastic Aldi bags full of cash payments to show the respect the Tyrant has for his quislings, they just keep rolling in.

    [ once the chicom secret police Skynet becomes aware of the true feelings of all dissenters, and can crush them with robots, thoughtpolice, drones and artificial intelligence software, there can be no revolution. Bloomberg is wrong, the State that controls Skynet controls the will of the people.]

  9. Ubique

    Rafe, thirty years ago, at any rate.

  10. Colonel Crispin Berka

    Wait wait, I know this one. Ready, ready?

    The rumour is… the radiation levels above The Shield are normal again! The ozone layer has healed.
    That’s why the Highlander has to blow up the Wind Turbine Factory.

    Ah, darn, got that movie plot mixed up with reality again.

  11. Entropy

    There is currently no ozone layer at all.

  12. Entropy

    Hole in the ozone layer I mean. None.

  13. Mark M

    Don’t tell Greta it was a failure …

    After failure in New York, we must reshape the politics of climate change

    https://www.climatechangenews.com/2019/09/24/failure-new-york-must-remake-politics-climate-change/?utm_content=buffer03960&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

    “With so much climate pollution in the atmosphere, without a big increase in action at Glasgow it will be practically impossible to keep climate change within safe limits.

    The problem is also not with the deniers of climate science anymore.

    Outside the US and Australia, climate deniers have very little influence. ”

    Pro tip: No one denies the last ice age.

  14. Tom

    We don’t know where these climate trolls roost. Maybe they come from self-organizing grassroots groups with secret Facebook pages. Perhaps the fact they all use the same language and the same memes is indicative of receiving talking points and funding from the fossil fuel industry. Perhaps.

    Bwahahaha! Climate zombies are so fucking clueless about what’s going on the real world outside their Scoldilocks fantasy bubble. They’d be horrified if they knew that the last 20 years of hysterical propaganda didn’t work and the great unwashed didn’t buy the pitch.

    Do the world a favour, retards: bulldoze yourselves into the landfill at the tip.

  15. Crossie

    Pandey’s interest in the climate started in 2013, when huge floods devastated Uttarakhand state in northern India. Her father, Dinesh Pandey, a wildlife conservationist, began explaining issues like global warming to her because she asked endless questions about the natural disaster.

    What do those climate change moppets at the U.N. have in common? Greenie middle class parents, even the one from India. None of them have found their green conscience by themselves, they have been brought up by their parents to be nutters just like them.

    The Indian greenie family are particular scum, literally millions of their fellow citizens are being lifted out of poverty by cheap, coal fired power but that is unimportant, they need to feel good about themselves and never mind the lower classes.

  16. Crossie

    The net outcome of this charade, in my opinion, is Western politicians are committing to skyrocketing energy prices and unworkable renewables schemes, inanely celebrating that everyone is onboard with their lunacy, while at the same time, China and Japan are busy helping their Asian neighbours make coal power even cheaper.

    Krushchev threatened the West by saying “We will bury you” when he didn’t have the means or enough useful Western idiots to help him. Xi doesn’t need to say anything, he just stands back while the West destroys itself. He will be then conduct the funeral at the U.N.

  17. Mother Lode

    Since India is ‘developing’ and is closer to the pre-industrial economy than is prevalent in the West, shouldn’t the little Indian girl be demanding that her own nation abandon its efforts to industrialise?

    Given that there are more people in India than the US and Australia, what would be the point of deindustrialising those two nations if they are going to be replaced by a nation which, given its higher population, would require more industry for its greater mass of people?

    And, in the phraseology of Warmies, India could be an example to the world.

    And to further borrow from the Earnie’s when they talk about wind and sunshine, India could be a world poverty powerhouse!

  18. My wife was at Mt Baw Baw this weekend on ambulance duty and the place was covered in snow. Plus it’s been freezing cold lower down, so where’s this global warming we keep being warned about?

  19. notafan

    Pandey and daddy flew to New York

    Because special.

    And make a difference.

    Just don’t let those low caste poor Indians get access to reliable electricity.

    We are in charge here!

    Forty years of ‘climate panic’ and they wonder why we scoff at claims of mass extinction

  20. notafan

    Huge floods weather when rain wasn’t going to fall anymore ever again.

    Make up your minds.

    Also floods have been around for thousands of years but whatever.

  21. notafan

    Are not floods a normal and necessary part of climate?

    Every so often more than what we’d like, obviously.

    Bad bad climate change floods in history.

  22. JohnL

    I may be wrong on details and would be grateful if someone could correct the following or provide some actual quantities:
    75% of the planet’s surface is covered by oceans. Oceans are made mainly of water – H2O. That leaves 25% covered by dry land. Some of this dry land is covered by ice – South and North Polls, high peaks and mountain ranges. Ice is made by converting water – liquid H2O to ice – solid H2O. This is done by cooling water. This conversion starts at 0*C when the ice starts forming and further cooling converts the liquid into solid – ice. Appart of converting water into ice, cooling also alters the volume occupied by original liquid. From 0*C to -4*C the volume contracts, by further cooling below -4*C volume expands, I believe by 11%.
    Could someone please calculate or estimate (maybe it was alraedy calculated) following:
    1) What is the total volume of liquid contained all oceans (and seas)?
    2) What is the total volume of ice on the planet?
    3) What is the total volume of liquid gained if all ice on the planet is converted – melted into liquid?
    4) What would be the rise in oceans levels if this liquid gained from melting the ice was “poured” – spread over all oceans?
    5) What would the temperature need to melt all of the ice?

  23. mem

    Nils-Axel Morner, has done substantial work on sea level, ice melt, glaciers etc. Here is a link to a video of one of his presentations but I would suggest you follow up also with his written presentations as these are a little clearer due to his accent in videos. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZ36ded2Wc0

  24. Louis Hissink

    UNITED NATIONS (AP) _ A senior U.N. environmental official says entire nations could be wiped off the face of the Earth by rising sea levels if the global warming trend is not reversed by the year 2000.

    Of course the sea level in the River Thames is not expected to rise anytime soon otherwise the banks would have been sandbagged and berms constructed to stop the Thames River, which is connected to the sea, from inundating the houses of the British Parliament, among other constructions at the river’s edge or estuarine edge.

  25. mem

    duncanm
    #3171063, posted on September 29, 2019 at 10:06 pm

    You won’t read much about the August temperatures in Oz, either.

    I went back to May to see what the BOM was forecasting. Seems it was incredibly wrong. Here is an excerpt from a Nine News media report that picks up BOM”s three month outlook. The Bureau of Meteorology today released its winter outlook at the close of what’s expected to be one of the five hottest autumns ever recorded.
    Drought-affected areas are unlikely to receive even average rainfalls this winter.
    The bureau is forecasting below average rain in NSW, Victoria, eastern South Australia and southern regions of Queensland and the Northern Territory.
    There’s also double the chance of an El Nino weather system – which typically brings less rain for eastern states – forming in winter and spring. https://www.9news.com.au/national/drought-crisis-dry-warm-winter-bom-forecast-with-below-average-rain-australia/5a3282dc-97c5-4d37-9eae-dacbd1262309

  26. Rafe Champion

    Thanks mem, Lynne Balzer has a great summary of his work in her recent book, I bought two copies and could have onsold three already, should have got ten to save on postage.

  27. Nob

    Tom
    #3171170, posted on September 30, 2019 at 6:15 am
    We don’t know where these climate trolls roost. Maybe they come from self-organizing grassroots groups with secret Facebook pages. Perhaps the fact they all use the same language and the same memes is indicative of receiving talking points and funding from the fossil fuel industry. Perhaps.

    Having worked in the oil & gas industry for forty years, and still at it, with a spell in LaTrobe Valley coal in between jobs, and the odd bit of renewables work in geothermal (the drilling is same, even fracking at times, but no greenies to be seen), I feel confident saying this:

    There is no monolithic “fossil fuel industry”.

    There is a bunch of competing companies and interests from competing energy sources.

    Plenty of overlap, and most major oil cos are also into renewables big time , cos there’s government cash out there begging, and can be used as concessions against hydrocarbon drilling and production. Almost literally like buying indulgences. .
    Very few – BHP is one – are into coal as well.

    No oil or gas co gives a fuck about my opinions on climate change or anything political. They’d rather I got on with my work and didn’t fart around on blogs and forums. Most of their HR and Safety people are greenies anyway, even some drillers I’ve worked with are.

    of course these companies will pay lobbyists. Given the general public assault on their activities, they’d be mad not to plead their case. But really – overall, we in the industry get on with our valuable work and don’t engage in PR.

    When was the last time you ever saw an oilman portrayed as the good guy on TV or movie?
    Deepwater Horizon – maybe.
    There Will Be Blood – great movie but DDL’s character was an arsehole.

    But when you are lying bleeding by the side of the road, do you want the oil fuelled ambulance or chopper taking you to the hospital or will you wait for the wind-powered one?

  28. mem

    But when you are lying bleeding by the side of the road, do you want the oil fuelled ambulance or chopper taking you to the hospital or will you wait for the wind-powered one?

    Same with police.
    Police forced to abandon chase after Tesla electric patrol car runs out of battery
    The force was the first in the US to deploy a fully electric vehicle on patrol duty
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/police-chase-tesla-electric-car-charge-california-fremont-san-jose-suspect-a9121371.html

  29. Nob

    Emergency services should be technology neutral.
    As of course should the military.
    Choose effectiveness first second and third. No favours based on fuel source.

  30. Entropy

    The nation is the world’s largest NEV market, after building up huge capacity on the back of generous government incentives. But the huge buildup, often using older technologies, has led to observations that much of the nation’s output is far from cutting-edge.

    Who would have thought that:
    * generous subsidies would result in the reallocation of resources to the subsidised target only for as long as the subsidies last;
    *the imposition of the subsidy would enable manufacturers to achieve a return from already sunk investments; and
    *the imposition of a subsidy would actually delay the adoption of new and better technologies as the manufacturers are still making good money from the old stuff?

  31. Mark M

    Quentin Dempster tweets:

    “Cronulla will be under water” in 50/100 years if ⁦@ScottMorrisonMP⁩ doesn’t act more decisively on climate change says ⁦Malcolm Farr ⁦@InsidersABC⁩ .
    Our PM has no credibility on [doomsday global warming] after all facts have been checked.”

    https://twitter.com/QuentinDempster/status/1178093796644409344

    When Malcolm Farr can tell me next weeks winning lotto ticket, I might take his doomsday warning seriously.

  32. mem

    “Our PM has no credibility on [doomsday global warming] after all facts have been checked.”” says Malcolm Farr.
    Check these facts Mr Farr
    Sea level has been rising at the rate of 1.1 mm per year for thousands of years and the rate has not changed. Perhaps if you had listened to your geography teacher back at high school you would know this fact. There is no dramatic increase in sea level incurring in recent times except where there is land subsidence or a slight movement in the tectonic plate. Not one of the many doomsday global warming predictions have eventuated. However the Cronulla Sharks might be quite pleases to be up to their necks in water given their recent success on the Rugby field!

  33. Dr Fred Lenin

    When the wind scam is finally scrapped ,we are lucky, we can get Wetherill to blow up unsubsidised windmills ,that will keep him busy,then all the carpetbaggers who profited from the scam can do forced labour (or is that labor ?)_removing the eyesores and restoring the sites to pristine condition .
    The ones in green electorstes will be laft to rot away as a memento of their stupidity . Oh wait !there are no windmills in green electorates are there ? Strange that isnt it ?

  34. gowest

    We flew into Shanghai a couple of days ago and noted the array of wind turbines surrounding the airport. – Perhaps the ever practical chinese employ them a bird strike removers – something they would be much more effective at than power generation.

  35. Rex Mango

    Few weeks back wasn’t the BOM predicting no rain in Australia due Antarctic Stratospheric Warming they were banging on about? What happened to that new toy of theirs?

  36. Docket62

    And now Greta thunderbird is to be nominated for a Nobel Peace prize. Ranking as highly as the throw away they dished out to Obama it makes a farce of what was once a prestigious award.

  37. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    The peace prize is now a Eurocentric wank.

    I have a dear friend who helps run an Anglican school for orphans in Uganda.

    I would support my saintly friend over a spoilt brat who can’t even vote yet.

  38. Nob

    Frank Walker from National Tiles
    #3171624, posted on September 30, 2019 at 5:35 pm
    spoilt brat who can’t even vote yet.

    Hence the push by lefties to lower the voting age to 16.

    While simultaneously calling anyone under 19 a child and demanding special freedom from criticism or contrary argument for them.

  39. Crossie

    We flew into Shanghai a couple of days ago and noted the array of wind turbines surrounding the airport.

    That’s to show Western visitors that they are green.

  40. I watched a video that showed a short clip of St Greta on a panel interview where she was asked a question and firstly couldn’t remember the question and then was unable to answer the question. Without a written speech, she was completely lost. I can’t find the YouTube video at the moment.

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