Why isn’t there more outrage?

The comments below are from Trump strikes back, a post at Powerline re Biden and Son. What does get me down is that there is not more disgust in America such that not only will PDT with certainty win the election, but the Republicans will also sweep the House and pick up another half dozen in the Senate. If the Dems represent somewhere near the middle of where political sentiment now is, the West is truly lost and we will all in good time end up with political controls on our lives similar to those in China.

As for our diseased and addled media, anyone at the ABC, to take just one example, who thinks there is a case for any Democrat candidate to win against PDT is a terrifying example of political inanity, with zero morality and less judgement. I can almost but not quite see what it is they do not want; what is invisible is what they would like to replace Donald Trump with, and what policies they would like to see put in place instead. If you are interested in how empty the rhetoric of the left is, read the comments following absolutely any PDT tweet. There is never anything but hate and a near-insanity level of anger. Common sense and policy coherence are absent. Here, however, are a few comments from our side.

FROM: PRESIDENT DONALD J TRUMP
TO: THE AMERICAN PEOPLE
SUBJECT: IMPEACHMENT

MY FELLOW AMERICANS:

I WANT TO BE IMPEACHED!

For the last several years, our nation has been subjected to an attack on our constitutional order.

Our institutions have been weaponized against the political opposition. This political rot has been facilitated by a complicit news media, our universities, Hollywood, and multinational corporations whose globalist orientations have brought our energy, logging, mining, and manufacturing sectors to their knees.

The previous administration has corrupted our IRS, DOJ, FBI, CIA, and elements of the State Dept.

In the interest of transparency, it is time that these efforts to destroy a constitutionally elected administration, to nullify the votes of 63-million American citizens be confronted in an open forum.

We have the evidence in our possession…documents, emails, texts; names, dates, places. The American people will be shocked to discover that a political coup was conceived in the Obama oval office enlisting members of our national security apparatus, the Hillary Clinton campaign, DNC, and members of our legislative branch.

I am fully prepared to undertake the risks of this impeachment process. I love this country and its people.

It is time for the American people to learn the truth, to render their verdict…and for those responsible for this abomination to face justice.

LET’S ROLL.
MAY GOD BLESS AMERICA.

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DOH! Did You Know There’s a Treaty Between the USA & Ukraine Regarding Cooperation For Prosecuting Crimes? Posted on September 25, 2019 by DCWhispers

My goodness. It was passed when Joe Biden was a member of the U.S. Senate and then signed by then-President Bill Clinton.

A comprehensive treaty agreement that allows cooperation between both the United States and Ukraine in the investigation and prosecution of crimes.

It appears President Trump was following the law to the letter when it comes to unearthing the long-standing corruption that has swirled in Ukraine and allegedly involves powerful Democrats like Joe Biden and others.

“To the Senate of the United States: With a view to receiving the advice and consent of the Senate to ratification, I transmit herewith the Treaty Between the United States of America and Ukraine on Mutual Legal Assistance in Criminal Matters with Annex, signed at Kiev on July 22, 1998. I transmit also, for the information of the Senate, an exchange of notes which was signed on September 30, 1999, which provides for its provisional application, as well as the report of the Department of State with respect to the Treaty. The Treaty is one of a series of modern mutual legal assistance treaties being negotiated by the United States in order to counter criminal activities more effectively. The Treaty should be an effective tool to assist in the prosecution of a wide variety of crimes, including drug trafficking offenses. The Treaty is self-executing. It provides for a broad range of cooperation in criminal matters. Mutual assistance available under the Treaty includes: taking of testimony or statements of persons; providing documents, records, and articles of evidence; serving documents; locating or identifying persons; transferring persons in custody for testimony or other purposes; executing requests for searches and seizures; assisting in proceedings related to restraint, confiscation, forfeiture of assets, restitution, and collection of fines; and any other form of assistance not prohibited by the laws of the requested state. I recommend that the Senate give early and favorable consideration to the Treaty and give its advice and consent to ratification.”

WILLIAM J. CLINTON.

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Trump hater John Kasich was interviewed on CNN this morning.

When asked if President Trump was guilty of crimes due to the transcript, Kasich said no. When asked if the Muller Report justified impeachment, again Kasich said no. Finally, Kasich added that no one in Ohio is talking about this nonsense, and they could care less what the Democrats are doing.

People who live in the DC bubble and think there is a big there there do not realize just how fed up with the little games lawyers and Deep Staters are playing not only with the Constitution, but with 330 million peoples lives.

I’ve been hoping the House impeaches President Trump for over a year now. The backlash will be so strong from the average American that is prospering for the first time in 30 years that those in the Republican party that back the President will win. That will assure at least 5 more seats in the Senate in 2020, and the House will have a comfortable R margin as well.

I’m sorry to say this – but the average American thinks that Democrats are psychotic, hateful, deranged, anti-American sleazeballs and have proven it constantly over the past 3 years. We are sick of being told what to say, what to think, when to walk, which way to turn, and asking for permission to breathe.

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I am a baseball fan. One truism of replacing a pitcher who maybe isn’t doing great, is that you have to have someone better to put in. I was a Democrat my entire adult life until 9/11. In 2016, I cared about 4 main issues: First Amendment rights; Second Amendment rights; a secure border; and support for Israel. Hillary was 0-4. Trump was 4-4.

Where do YOU stand on those issues? And, what current candidate do you see that supports my four concerns? In answer to YOUR question, there is almost nothing DJT could do to alienate me as long as he stays firm on those four issues. When every single Democrat candidate raised xer hands for FREE health care for illegals, there is no alternative but DJT. Plus, oh yeah, also I love the guy!

And from The Babylon Bee.

WASHINGTON, D.C.—Joe Biden has apologized for his recent seemingly racist comment, where he said that poor kids are sometimes as smart as white kids.

“Everyone who knows me knows I’m not a racist,” said Biden. “I even have a black friend, Barry. Smart, articulate guy.”

Aides were then seen signaling him to stop talking, but Biden pushed on.

“Rest assured,” Biden said. “I like all races, even the bad ones.”

Aides threw up their hands in exasperation.

“What? What’d I say?”

Media immediately jumped all over Biden’s comments, responding to his horrifying gaffe by calling on President Trump to resign.

 

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62 Responses to Why isn’t there more outrage?

  1. stackja

    “Shaun Micallef’s show Mad As Hell “

    So, I want you to get up now. I want all of you to get up out of your chairs. I want you to get up right now and go to the window. Open it, and stick your head out, and yell: I’M AS MAD AS HELL, AND I’M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE!
    I want you to get up right now. Sit up. Go to your windows. Open them and stick your head out and yell – ‘I’m as mad as hell and I’m not gonna take this anymore!’ Things have got to change. But first, you’ve gotta get mad!…You’ve got to say, I’M AS MAD AS HELL, AND I’M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE! Then we’ll figure out what to do about the depression and the inflation and the oil crisis. But first, get up out of your chairs, open the window, stick your head out, and yell, and say it: I’M AS MAD AS HELL, AND I’M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE!

  2. Iampeter

    Why isn’t there more outrage?

    Outrage about what?

    How a movement that claims to oppose the left is mindlessly and cult-like, supporting a corrupt leftist like Trump?

    Maybe instead of just being angry you should go to the effort to get a clue? You’ll be less angry maybe…

  3. Empire 5:5

    I really like the character Biden plays in 2020. He’s like the Rodney Dangerfield of candidates.

    It’s a shame the corrupt sleazeball is being written out so early in the movie.

  4. classical_hero

    The Babylon Bee is at its best again.

  5. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Babylon Bee is so good. Hit ’em where it hurts In the funny bone.

    Glad to see that TDS is not playing well outside the Beltway.

  6. Old School Conservative

    Media immediately jumped all over Biden’s comments, responding to his horrifying gaffe by calling on President Trump to resign.

    The age of biting humour is not over.

  7. Tom

    What does get me down is that there is not more disgust in America …

    Ninety per cent of the news media, including all the FTA TV networks, are campaigning 24/7 to bring Trump down, so of course they’re not going to report what middle America thinks.

    Even so, only a minority of the public support impeaching Trump.

    Without a voice in the media, middle America has only one say every two years in federal elections. And the media will feign shock when they people they refuse to give a voice to decimate their party, the Democrats, in 2020.

  8. Dr Fred Lenin

    I think the decromats in the USA and their Remaier siblings in Westminster are in for the biggest shock theleft has ever had since the communist fascists were thrown out by the Russian people years ago.
    The bolshie aparat couldnt believe they had lost power,the same shock will rock the globalist fascists when the people exact revenge for the arrogant disregard of the elitist snobs for the will of the people.
    We can only be thankfull that crook Clinton was defeated and Cameron foolishly let the votres decide if they wanted to be ruled by unelected failed Eurotrash politicians in Brussels . I bet the elites havent forgiven him yet,the very idea ! letting thhe peasants vote !
    Trump has his faults like all humans ,but he is human ,unlike the decromat freaks .
    Sleazy joe Buden ,Pelosi from the open sewer that is decromat ruled California , the Somali terrorist ,the barmaid from NYC ,the thieving Clintons ,the half black muslim from Chicago etc. etc., what a collection of crooked lying thiefs ,the party. Of the Workers ! Yeah right ! =\\\

  9. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    I’m sorry to say this – but the average American thinks that Democrats are psychotic, hateful, deranged, anti-American sleazeballs and have proven it constantly over the past 3 years. We are sick of being told what to say, what to think, when to walk, which way to turn, and asking for permission to breathe.

    don’t be sorry, it’s a fact, not just demoscats but the left in general are completely and irrevocably deranged

  10. FelixKruell

    DOH! Did You Know There’s a Treaty Between the USA & Ukraine Regarding Cooperation For Prosecuting Crimes? Posted on September 25, 2019 by DCWhispers

    I must have missed the bit in that treaty where the investigation is carried on by the president personally, together with his personal lawyer…

  11. Dr Fred Lenin

    The decromats are drowning in their own lies decoet and corruption the divisions withintheir party are tearing the whole fabric into shtreds ,from the old Tammany corrupt elite to the new soros owned globalist fascists ,to the out and out communists and islamofascists. The machinations of these slime are legend ,dont be surprised if the badtards resurrect that crooked bitch C linton , ( well she did best Trummp when we rigged the primsry vote last time hadnt been for that rotten honest electoral college she would have won . Anyone like to speculate what would have happened if she had vheated her way into the White House ?Would she have started more Arab Spring wars in the mid east? Woukd she have invaded the UK to prevent Brexit? Would she have let China,Mexico Canada ,loot more money from the USa in unfair trade deals ?
    Would she have allowed more companies to take US jobs overseas in exchange for Foundation donations ?
    Would she have sold more uranium toRussia and given Uran more money for its weapons programme ?/
    Think about it ,these things are not impossible , hussein mohamet obama did similar things .

  12. stackja

    Greta MSM probably missed this:

    PROTECTING RELIGIOUS FREEDOM: President Trump is committed to defending the religious freedom of all people, in the United States and around the world.

    President Trump is the first President of the United States to host a meeting at the United Nations on religious freedom.
    President Trump has made protecting religious freedom of all Americans a key priority of his Administration.
    President Trump has taken action to ensure Americans are not forced to violate their religious beliefs and signed an executive order to enhance religious freedom.
    The Trump Administration has stood up for religious freedom at a time when it has come under threat around the world.
    The Administration launched the Religious Freedom Ministerial, bringing together foreign officials, organizations, and advocates to fight religious persecution.

  13. Tator

    I must have missed the bit in that treaty where the investigation is carried on by the president personally, together with his personal lawyer…

    Trump isn’t investigating anything, he has requested that the Ukraine investigate the allegations as his prerogative as Head of State. He could have delegated it but he did it himself.

  14. stackja

    Tator
    #3170708, posted on September 29, 2019 at 4:11 pm

    Dems are a protected species. Particularly by petering out.

  15. Beachcomber

    I think the decromats in the USA and their Remaier siblings in Westminster are in for the biggest shock theleft has ever had since the communist fascists were thrown out by the Russian people years ago.

    Geez, I hope you are right Dr Fred. The sooner the better.

  16. FelixKruell

    Tator :

    Trump isn’t investigating anything, he has requested that the Ukraine investigate the allegations as his prerogative as Head of State. He could have delegated it but he did it himself.

    And how does Rudy Giuliani fit into this little fairytale?

  17. Tim Neilson

    I must have missed the bit in that treaty where the investigation is carried on by the president personally, together with his personal lawyer…

    Can you please explain, with reference to relevant provisions of the US Constitution or other US laws, why what Trump is accused of is any sort of crime, let alone an impeachable offence?

  18. FelixKruell

    Tim:

    Can you please explain, with reference to relevant provisions of the US Constitution or other US laws, why what Trump is accused of is any sort of crime, let alone an impeachable offence?

    Sure. 52 U.S. Code § 30121. Contributions and donations by foreign nationals

    (a) ProhibitionIt shall be unlawful for—
    (1) a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make—
    (A) a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election;
    (B) a contribution or donation to a committee of a political party; or
    (C) an expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement for an electioneering communication (within the meaning of section 30104(f)(3) of this title); or
    (2) a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation described in subparagraph (A) or (B) of paragraph (1) from a foreign national.

    That’s the main one. On its own, it’s doubtful it warrants impeachment. But the call summary and whistleblower account suggests a breach of this law.

  19. Tim Neilson

    FelixKruell
    #3170798, posted on September 29, 2019 at 5:57 pm

    There are a couple of problems with that, Felix.

    Most importantly, as I have explained before (but you seem unable to grasp) the chances of information counting as something “of value” for this purpose are very low, except in the minds of the febrile masturbators of the left wing echo chamber. As I understand it, what authorities there are in US law on the concept of a thing “of value” aren’t helpful to Trump’s critics.

    Also, you’ve effectively admitted that there’s nothing unlawful per se about the US government requesting help from the Ukraine government in accordance with the treaty. Your objection seem to be solely that Trump exercised a lawful power as US President which you’d expect him to delegate. But he’s still acting on behalf of the US government. In fact any relevant information would be provided by the Ukraine in accordance with the treaty to the US government, not the Trump campaign. So how exactly do the allegations disclose anything being”solicited” or “accepted” “in connection with an election”?

    BTW, Biden isn’t even yet a nominee for an election against Trump. As has been pointed out elsewhere, if investigating potential wrongdoing against a merely prospective candidate is per se illegal “why didn’t El Chapo think of that”? Is it really clear that whatever Trump was doing was “in connection with an election”? Trump hasn’t even officially announced that he’l run again (though he’s suggested that he intends to).

  20. Squirrel

    “…what is invisible is what they would like to replace Donald Trump with, and what policies they would like to see put in place instead…”

    Until about a week ago, the favoured replacement for “our ABC” etc. would have likely been a President Biden with a Vice-President Harris – who would take over and stand as candidate in 2024 after it became apparent that Uncle Joe really wasn’t up for a second term.

    As of today, some of the ABC types may well be daring to dream (so to speak) of President Hillary (if the Ukraine-gate stone conveniently kills two birds) with a VP Buttigieg or Booker.

    Under either scenario, the policies would basically be Obama 2.0 with a couple of trillion added for climate change pork.

  21. FelixKruell

    Tim:

    Most importantly, as I have explained before (but you seem unable to grasp) the chances of information counting as something “of value” for this purpose are very low, except in the minds of the febrile masturbators of the left wing echo chamber. As I understand it, what authorities there are in US law on the concept of a thing “of value” aren’t helpful to Trump’s critics.

    Ah yes, you’re the Tim who doesn’t believe information can constitute property at law. How wonderfully naive.

    In the context of this law, there isn’t much guidance in whether political dirt can constitute a thing of value. FEC guidelines suggest it can, but that needs to be tested in court.

    Also, you’ve effectively admitted that there’s nothing unlawful per se about the US government requesting help from the Ukraine government in accordance with the treaty.

    Agree. Unless it breaches this campaign finance law, I don’t see it as otherwise being illegal.

    Your objection seem to be solely that Trump exercised a lawful power as US President which you’d expect him to delegate.

    No, my objection is that he may have breached this campaign finance law. The fact he launched this investigation personally, with his personal lawyer, make it more likely to me this was a political dirt play, rather than a benevolent anti-corruption investigation.

    In fact any relevant information would be provided by the Ukraine in accordance with the treaty to the US government, not the Trump campaign.

    Not if it was delivered to Guliani.

  22. Texas Jack

    The floodgates of Leftist stupidity are well and truly open. We’ve had everything this week, from Guterres rolling out Thunderberger, then calling for a global new deal, to Pelosi finally losing her marbles over an obviously concocted “whistleblower” complaint, and the UK Supreme Court overstepping into parliamentary space. And all of this capped off by Jeremy Corbyn confirming for all time why he’s a danger to his country.

    Team – seriously! Things couldn’t be better.

  23. Empire 5:5

    Great timeline reference for the origins of the Russia Hoax, particularly the Ukrainian role in launching it.

    https://sharylattkisson.com/2019/09/heres-how-russias-enemy-ukraine-figures-in-to-anti-trump-efforts/

    Light on for reference, but open source docs are available for those who care to dig.

    Jan. 12, 2017: Obama administration finalizes new rules allowing NSA to spread certain intel to other U.S. intel agencies without normal privacy protections.

    Retroactive cover for CCIPS. Traitor44® knew where the DNC hack originated.

  24. Empire 5:5

    Don’t give up on the old moggy yet. He’s going to prosecute POTUS right out of the WH for campaign violations. For receiving in kind political advantage in the course of discharging his Article II responsibilities.

    He’s a shoe in. He’s already got 18 GOP senators good to go + Mittens (one degree of separation from Burisma). Don is gorn, mate.

  25. Tim Neilson

    Ah yes, you’re the Tim who doesn’t believe information can constitute property at law. How wonderfully naive

    It doesn’t. See e.g. Victoria Park Racing v Taylor, (1937) 58 CLR 479. That’s why there’s no copyright protection for mere information. Information, even confidential information, can’t be protected by property law. It can be protected only if some other legal right subsists e.g contractual obligations of confidentiality.

    I understand that it’s the same in the USA, like any country with a normal intellectual property regime.

    I may have missed it but I didn’t see any request by Trump that the Ukrainian government give anything specifically to Giuliani.

  26. FelixKruell

    Empire:

    Actually I doubt they’ll get anywhere with this impeachment push.

    I’m simply saying Trump has a case to answer under this campaign finance law. And given his previous lawyer got convicted under the exact same law, you’d think he’d be a little more careful the second time around.

  27. FelixKruell

    Tim:

    The fact something does or doesn’t warrant copyright protection under the copyright act, has no bearing on whether it can constitute property at law.

    We have a whole class of property that deals only with information – intellectual property. Internationally recognised in fact.

    But this is a side issue – something can be of value whether it’s property at law or not. Given political parties frequently pay a lot of money for dirt in their opponents, it would be hard to argue it is not of value.

    The request was to investigate, and liaise with Guliani. Who had already asked for this info for many months leading up to the call.

  28. Empire 5:5

    FelixKruell
    #3170991, posted on September 29, 2019 at 8:54 pm

    He has a case to answer, but it will go nowhere.

    I half agree with you. Why did it take you 48 hours to say that in 50 words or less? The blog has endured hundreds of posts of verbiage for no return. Are you publishing a book?

  29. Tim Neilson

    We have a whole class of property that deals only with information – intellectual property. Internationally recognised in fact.

    You are simply revealing your ignorance. Information is not “property”. “Intellectual property” doesn’t define information as “property” or protect information as such. It comprises some narrow categories of things invented. Copyright is an example of intellectual “property” but mere information is not protected by “copyright”.
    Go on, cite some actual legal authority that says information is “property”. I’ve already referred you to a High Court decision which says it isn’t.

    it would be hard to argue it is not of value.

    It would be hard to argue that in a general, colloquial sense it has value, but it’s very easy to argue that it isn’t a thing “of value” within the meaning of the legislation you cite. I won’t bother reiterating the lessons in statutory interpretation that I have set out in past threads.

    The request was to investigate, and liaise with Guliani.

    You’re being disingenuous. The actual relevant parts of the conversation all include references to the Attorney General, and the only request for actual action referred only to the Attorney General:

    I would like to have the Attorney General call you or your people and I would like you to get to the bottom of it. ….The other thing, There’s a lot of talk about Biden’s son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great….I will have Mr. Giuliani give you a call and I am also going to have Attorney General Barr call and we will get to the bottom of it….. I will tell Rudy and Attorney General Barr to call.

  30. FelixKruell

    Empire:

    I half agree with you. Why did it take you 48 hours to say that in 50 words or less? The blog has endured hundreds of posts of verbiage for no return. Are you publishing a book?

    I’ve been saying the exact same thing since the beginning. But you lot just see someone criticising Trump and go all in, without reading what I write. It’s comical. And sad.

  31. FelixKruell

    Tim:

    Strangely, the Australian High Court has no say on how to interpret American statute.

    But you can take comfort that Mueller considered whether political dirt could be considered something of value under this statute and concluded it was. I think that’s plenty of grounds to say there is a case to answer.

    As to the Ukraine, you still haven’t addressed why Guliani was mentioned in the first place?

    Oh and the reported months of badgering of the Ukraine by Guliani, pre this call, on this issue, without Barr.

  32. JC

    Kruell , this is what you’ve been saying:

    No, my objection is that he may have breached this campaign finance law. The fact he launched this investigation personally, with his personal lawyer, make it more likely to me this was a political dirt play, rather than a benevolent anti-corruption investigation.

    This is so ridiculous, it’s laughable. First of all, Biden while technically a candidate is not officially recognized as such until he wins the nomination.

    Secondly, if we took you harebrained view to the extreme, presidents could never horse trade. They could never for instance threaten say sanctions on Iran unless they did away with nuclear development because of your stupid understanding of the law. Presidents literally could not do anything as they would be in breach of finance laws.

    I think you’re done here… again.

  33. Tim Neilson

    Strangely, the Australian High Court has no say on how to interpret American statute.

    I never said it did. I said that that’s the position in Australia and I believe that it’s the case in any country with a normal intellectual property regime. (Intellectual property law is a very uniform area of the law internationally – a huge difference like that between the USA and Australia is inherently unlikely, and everything I’ve seen on the topic suggests that the US position is the same as ours.)
    Come on, show me I’m wrong about the USA. Cite some Supreme Court authority, or the Restatement, or something else with actual legal credibility.

    But you can take comfort that Mueller considered whether political dirt could be considered something of value under this statute and concluded it was.

    Bwahahahahahahahaha

    As to the Ukraine, you still haven’t addressed why Guliani was mentioned in the first place?

    So he could help the Ukraine with what info they needed in order to fulfil their treaty obligations by giving relevant info to the US government? No-one denies that Trump’s had a personal interest in this, so it wouldn’t be surprising if Giuliani had relevant info already – but the call transcript doesn’t evidence any improper request for a supply of info to Giuliani.

    Oh and the reported months of badgering of the Ukraine by Guliani, pre this call, on this issue, without Barr.

    Is there any evidence he was asking for the info to be given to anyone it shouldn’t have been given to?

  34. Zatara

    To review some important points that the MSM won’t tell you:

    – Joe Biden bragged that he extorted the Ukrainians into firing a prosecutor, who happened to be investigating Biden’s own son.

    – Three Democrat senators wrote a letter pressuring the Ukrainian general prosecutor to reopen investigations it reportedly froze on former Trump campaign officials.

    – Another Democratic senator [Chris Murphy D. CT] went to Ukraine and pressured the Ukrainian President not to investigate corruption allegations involving Biden’s son.

    – According to Ukrainian officials, Democratic National Committee contractor Alexandra Chalupa tried to get Ukrainian officials to provide dirt on Trump associates and tried to get the former Ukrainian President to comment publicly on their alleged ties to Russia.

    – Ukrainian official Serhiy Leshchenko was a source for Nellie Ohr, wife of Department of Justice official Bruce Ohr, as she worked on the anti-Trump operation conducted by Fusion GPS and funded by the Democrats.

    – And of course, Adam Schiff negotiated with people they thought were Ukrainians in order to obtain nude pictures of Trump.

  35. Empire 5:5

    I’ve been saying the exact same thing since the beginning. But you lot just see someone criticising Trump and go all in, without reading what I write. It’s comical. And sad.

    That’s because the majority of comments disagree with the “case to answer” part.

    Your inability to persuade people of your position is a reflection on you, not the jury. If you feel it’s comical and sad, lift your game.

  36. Iampeter

    That’s because the majority of comments disagree with the “case to answer” part.

    That’s because you are unprincipled and dishonest.
    If this was Obama or Hillary you would all be saying what Felix is saying and much, much more.

  37. Tom

    Iampeter, why are you so ashamed of being a leftard you have to pretend you’re a conservative?

  38. Empire 5:5

    That’s because you are unprincipled and dishonest.
    If this was Obama or Hillary you would all be saying what Felix is saying and much, much more.

    That’s your imagination talking again. You imagine you, more than any other, knows what goes on in the minds of others. That you can predict the behaviour of others with certainty. That you are superior.

    But you aren’t special. You’re just a PhoneyPony starring in your own clown show with a fan club of one point five.

  39. Louis

    The goal has always been to remove or neutralise Trump as the Republican candidate. The Dems know they don’t have anyone who can compete with him, but if they could get another Mitch or McCain as the candidate then they’d be back in the race.

    Impeachment was something they were always going to do. The Ukraine hoax was put together in a hurry to keep the timeline which was messed up by Meuller’s failure to deliver.

    They hope that either the stench of impeachment makes the Republicans drop Trump or, failing that, they will drag it out so that during the campaign next year their message will be “How can you vote for someone who is under investigation for impeachment?”. There will be no vote on impeachment, they will just keep dragging it out. That was Nancy’s plan and it must really be annoying her that the far left of the party is risking the strategy by demanding action be taken sooner.

  40. Iampeter

    Iampeter, why are you so ashamed of being a leftard you have to pretend you’re a conservative?

    Conservatives are leftists, of the religious and politically illiterate variety, which is why I oppose them. Just like I would any other leftie.

    But you aren’t special. You’re just a PhoneyPony starring in your own clown show with a fan club of one point five.

    You don’t need to keep projecting. I’m not disputing you are a phony who has no business on a politics blog engaging in LARPing.

    The goal has always been to remove or neutralise Trump as the Republican candidate.

    Why? Trump has implemented many left wing policies and has helped to further destroy the conservative movement.
    Trying to impeach him will just piss of his base, when it would be better to run any candidate against a corrupt and incompetent incumbent like Trump. In the meantime milking this administration for more left wing policies then democrats could ever pass if they controlled the presidency.

    Conservatives like to pretend to not be leftists only when in opposition.

  41. Empire 5:5

    You don’t need to keep projecting. I’m not disputing you are a phony who has no business on a politics blog engaging in LARPing.

    The projection>projection>projection schtick is tedious but revealing. TBH until now, I wasn’t really sure about you.

    Now we know for certain you are genuinely fake. TheOnlyTrueRightWingerOnTheBlog™ is a legend scribbled on the back of a paper napkin.

    What’s up next?

  42. Muddy

    Louis
    #3171567, posted on September 30, 2019 at 3:56 pm

    The goal has always been to remove or neutralise Trump as the Republican candidate.

    I disagree. I think that the most influential decision-makers on the Demoncrat side have privately conceded there is not much at all they can do to match President Trump, so have chosen to ‘wait it out’ until the end of his (potential) second term. In the meantime, they are focused on two objectives: (1) Being seen by their supporters as ‘doing something’ rather than nothing, and, more importantly, (2) Trying to create enough damage to the Trump legacy that Trump proteges or successors will be tarnished by their association with him, thus facilitating the Post-Trump return to the Pre-Trump status quo, in terms of the radical left’s dominance of the narrative. I’ve referred to this previously as a Clinging Mist strategy, meaning that from every direction, Trump’s legacy will be shrouded in doubt and ambiguity, so that no clear evaluation will ever be possible.

    Let me clarify one point: When I wrote above about the Demoncrats’ ‘influential decision-makers,’ I do not believe there are central string-pullers. I think there are a myriad of small ‘cells’, some of which may be loosely associated, but many of which are independently replicating what they see elsewhere. The Demoncrats’ inner cabal realise that control and direction of such an amalgam is impossible, so they publicly go along with the broader, undirected attempts to remove President Trump, by those who believe it is a practical and achievable goal.

  43. classical_hero

    Don’t forget that Schiff sent a house staffer in August to Ukraine. The prick is busted, trying to impeach the President for doing what he did.

  44. Tel

    I think there must be something very nasty lurking for Democrats in the Ukraine, and impeachment is their last ditch attempt to start a shitshow that can overshadow whatever evidence will come back from there.

    Samantha Power is not screeching about how Trump must not be allowed to peek behind the curtain … oh really? What’s he gonna find back there? I’m genuinely curious now.

  45. FelixKruell

    JC:

    Secondly, if we took you harebrained view to the extreme, presidents could never horse trade. They could never for instance threaten say sanctions on Iran unless they did away with nuclear development because of your stupid understanding of the law. Presidents literally could not do anything as they would be in breach of finance laws.

    None of those things involve any horse trading for political dirt. A poor analogy, and one that suggests a poor grasp of this topic.

  46. FelixKruell

    Tim:

    What’s your issue with Mueller?

    So he could help the Ukraine with what info they needed in order to fulfil their treaty obligations by giving relevant info to the US government? No-one denies that Trump’s had a personal interest in this, so it wouldn’t be surprising if Giuliani had relevant info already – but the call transcript doesn’t evidence any improper request for a supply of info to Giuliani.

    But why was Guliani able to help? If this was a real investigation, it would be the FBI or the DOJ. Not Trumps personal lawyer.

    And now you’re admitting Trump has a personal interest in it? Yet don’t think that suggests he may have been asking for this favour for that personal interest?

    Is there any evidence he was asking for the info to be given to anyone it shouldn’t have been given to?

    Yes, the fact he was asking in the first place.

  47. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Felix

    You don’t have a point except for conservatives and libertarians are not nice and you don’t like them much, right?

  48. FelixKruell

    Empire:

    That’s because the majority of comments disagree with the “case to answer” part.

    Yet they can’t explain why – hence they resort to personal abuse.

  49. JC

    None of those things involve any horse trading for political dirt. A poor analogy, and one that suggests a poor grasp of this topic.

    Bringing the corrupt to justice is not digging for political dirt, Fella.

  50. Empire 5:5

    Tel
    #3171818, posted on September 30, 2019 at 8:59 pm
    I think there must be something very nasty lurking for Democrats in the Ukraine, and impeachment is their last ditch attempt to start a shitshow that can overshadow whatever evidence will come back from there.

    Crowdstrike. Knows how the 2016 DNC leak really happened and the scope. So confident the FBI accepted their erroneous report and never took possession of the hardware. The Wikileaks dump was partial unstructured copy. It’s a mess. They know who it came from, but couldn’t prove anything conclusive. It had little impact.

    Consider this: what if Crowdstrike were wrong about the scope? What if they inspected the wrong device and leak was much bigger? The original downloads to thumb drives is the keys to the kingdom.

    But all of this is irrelevant. The big story tonight, the narrative from which hangs the entire nation: will DJT be removed from office for failing to conceal an in kind campaign finance violation in the course of discharging his Article II responsibilities? We will be distracted.

  51. FelixKruell

    Jc:

    Bringing the corrupt to justice is not digging for political dirt, Fella.

    In this case, it’s potentially both.

  52. Iampeter

    Now we know for certain you are genuinely fake.

    Yes, yes. You’re the one that comes to blogs on topics you know nothing about, embarrass yourself then concede you’re “not an expert,” then concludes I’m the fake. Makes sense!

    None of those things involve any horse trading for political dirt. A poor analogy, and one that suggests a poor grasp of this topic.

    Poor grasp of basic logic too.
    False analogies often get confused for “logical arguments” at the cat. Another popular one is question begging, but that’s just a common trait among conservatives in general.

    Bringing the corrupt to justice is not digging for political dirt, Fella.

    Bringing the corrupt to justice follows certain processes in rights protecting republics and their equivalents. It doesn’t involve bypassing the constitutional protections offered to those living in the USA by going to another countries government via your private lawyer.

    That would be…you know…corruption. The kind that would need to be brought to justice.

  53. Empire 5:5

    Yes, yes. You’re the one that comes to blogs on topics you know nothing about, embarrass yourself then concede you’re “not an expert,” then concludes I’m the fake. Makes sense!

    I didn’t conclude anything.

    You revealed the OnlyTrueRightWinger® is fake.

    For your next attempt, work harder on the legend. More nuance and plausible background. And learn to control your emotions under pressure.

  54. Empire 5:5

    Yet they can’t explain why – hence they resort to personal abuse

    That isn’t what transpired though. You failed to prosecute a persuasive argument, so you resorted to condescension. Folks retaliated, but apparently you’re the victim.

  55. Tel

    The supposed whistleblower complaint document is published, and w.r.t. crowdstrike it says that Trump wanted Zelensky to:

    assist in purportedly uncovering that the allegations of Russian interference in the 2016 U.S. presidential election originated in the Ukraine, with a specific request that the Ukrainian leader locate and turn over servers used by the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and examined by the U.S. cyber security firm Crowdstrike, which initially reported that Russian hackers had penetrated the DNC’s networks in 2016

    Then in a footnote: I do not know why the President associates these servers with the Ukraine

    However, in the actual transcript of Trump’s conversation he does NOT specifically say which server he is talking about … only that he mentions Crowdstrike and later mentions Mueller … but Trump is a bit vague on the details and presumes the other guy will pick up on what he’s talking about. It could well be something else entirely, not what the “whistleblower” claims, and it’s kind of weird that the complaint is so specific while the original conversation is quite vague. Possibly reveals more about the “whistleblower” than it does about Trump.

    Although a new round of news articles are banging on about this missing server, as if they knew exactly what Trump was talking about, what none of them mention is that Crowdstrike has other connections with Ukraine. For example:

    * A report produced by Crowdstrike claimed that Russian hackers had been able to identify the location of Ukrainian artillery and pass those coordinates to the rebels. Both the International Institute for Strategic Studies and Ukraine’s Ministry of Defense said this was a load of crap, but they would say that, wouldn’t they? Personally, I would have thought that Russia has plenty of spy satellites that could provide them with information about troop movements, but the hacking story sounds a bit more exciting.

    * Crowdstrike CTO, Dmitri Alperovitch has connections with the Atlantic Council, and Ukrainian oligarch Victor Pinchuk who is a Clinton Foundation donor.

    * The malware that Crowdstrike identified and codenamed “GRIZZLY STEPPE” happens to be based on a Ukrainian PHP encrypted webshell called “P.A.S.” — search that out if you are curious.

    * Thomas Eager (works for Adam Schiff) recently visited Ukraine on a study tour sponsored by the Atlantic Council, meeting with Poroshenko (former President).

    * In response DNC suspicion of security failure, Crowdstrike install their “Falcon” software on 6 May and claimed to have it all under control quite soon afterwards … however many Wikileak emails cam from after 6 May and Crowdstrike ended up doing a full wipe an reinstall of all laptops on the weekend starting on the evening of 10 June 2016. Whatever Crowdstrike was doing for a couple of weeks there it was not containing the leak, which makes you wonder.

  56. FelixKruell

    Empire:

    That isn’t what transpired though. You failed to prosecute a persuasive argument, so you resorted to condescension. Folks retaliated, but apparently you’re the victim.

    I was called a dildo 17 times. Somehow I don’t think it was my argument that was the problem.

  57. Iampeter

    For your next attempt, work harder on the legend. More nuance and plausible background. And learn to control your emotions under pressure.

    You keep describing yourself and giving advice to yourself.
    You should take it.

  58. Empire 5:5

    You keep describing yourself and giving advice to yourself.
    You should take it.

    Impossible, the only advice I’ve ever given is to not take advice. I can’t be fake because I’m verified. Real people who comment here have met me in the flesh. They can confirm I am not a something pretending to be the OnlyTrueRightWinger®.

    Whereas iampeter is fake.

    You’re confusing advice with coaching. I’m trying to help you figure out for yourself how to be a more successful internet bullshit artist. You’ve got talent.

  59. Empire 5:5

    I was called a dildo 17 times. Somehow I don’t think it was my argument that was the problem

    I agree. It was the condescension.

    17 dildos? There are no coincidences.

  60. Iampeter

    You’re confusing advice with coaching. I’m trying to help you figure out for yourself how to be a more successful internet bullshit artist. You’ve got talent.

    You’re just another sperging crackpot at the cat who has no idea what he is talking about and has no business on a politics blog.

    Everything you say trying to describe others is a description of yourself.

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