Just go!

A headline in The Australian caught my eye this morning:

I would return to parliament if the Liberals asked me, says Tony Abbott

Such astonishing arrogance.

People get into the Parliament when voters vote for them.  Abbott lost his seat at the last election.  The voters in his seat had had enough of him.

Tony Abbott concedes he made mistakes as prime minister but overwhelmingly blames Malcolm Turnbull’s overweening ambition for his government’s demise four years ago.

Abbott had one job.

When it comes to counter-terrorism everyone needs to be part of ‘Team Australia’ and I have to say that the Government’s proposals to change 18C of the Racial Discrimination Act have become a complication in that respect. I don’t want to do anything that puts our national unity at risk at this time and so those proposals are now off the table. This is a call that I have made. It is, if you like, a leadership call that I have made after discussion with the Cabinet today. In the end leadership is about preserving national unity on the essentials and that is why I have taken this decision.

He surrendered on free speech.

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160 Responses to Just go!

  1. stackja

    Get Up got him.
    MT was agile and innovative?

  2. 132andBush

    MT was agile and innovative?

    He was the best, Stack.
    In fact he no doubt still is.
    You ask him, he’ll tell ya.

  3. Sinclair Davidson

    Get Up got him.

    Looks like it but no. Get Up failed spectacularly during the election. His constituents had had enough of him and tossed him.

  4. Ellie

    He surrendered on free speech.

    Agreed. It is well known that he promised to modify 18C. He even stated his commitment to the IPA at the IPA’s 70th birthday bash.

  5. 132andBush

    Tony Abbott concedes he made mistakes as prime minister but overwhelmingly blames Malcolm Turnbull’s overweening ambition for his government’s demise four years ago.

    Abbott was white anted from the get go by the most disgusting people in Australian politics today.
    Disgusting because they’ve been elected under the conservative banner and really should be in the Labor party.

  6. A Lurker

    He surrendered on free speech.

    So did just about everyone else in the Liberals, the Nationals, Labor and the Greens, including your hero Turnbull. However, it is unedifying that Abbott is seemingly the sole recipient of your reproach, especially given that the Libs and Nats had a serious infestation of political termites that Abbott was constantly having to deal with.

    No, Abbott wasn’t perfect, and likely if he was leader again he’d correct his mistakes, and given that he is human, he’d probably make brand new ones too. As would all of us.

    One thing is for certain, 99% of Australian politicians aren’t worth one of Tony Abbott’s nail parings when it comes to community work, and putting their lives on the line to help and protect others.

  7. Lee

    Abbott Derangement Syndrome.

  8. jupes

    However, it is unedifying that Abbott is seemingly the sole recipient of your reproach,

    Spot on Lurker. Turnbull did precisely nothing to change 18c – just like Abbott – but somehow gets a free pass. How does that work?

  9. Sinclair Davidson

    Abbott is seemingly the sole recipient of your reproach

    Abbott turned up at two! IPA functions and promised to repeal 18c in it current format. Ex post it turned out that he never was going to do so. He lied to my face. So yes, I’m pissed off.

  10. woolfe

    Which of our leaders does not surrender on free speech and Climate Change?

  11. PeterM

    Trying to imagine the job for Tony that would most annoy the lefties. Ambassador to th UN?

  12. PeterM

    What was the job Rudd was after?

  13. Lee

    I do admit that Tony Abbott showed a distinct lack of moral courage in not scrapping 18C, an abominable law.

  14. a happy little debunker

    Such astonishing arrogance

    At least the man has the grace to wait and be asked – rather unlike his erstwhile Prime Ministerial successor.

    That successor showed his ‘Astonishing Arrogance’ (which Sinc totally supported) and I think we can all leave it at that.

  15. Kurt

    It’s no wonder the Left has almost completed its takeover. If Abbott couldn’t even roll back 18C you have to wonder if we’ll ever roll anything back.

  16. Shy Ted

    The elite had it in for him but nothing compared to what the USA is doing to DJT. One folded, the other didn’t. Still a very good man, opposition leader but only himself to blame as PM.

  17. mh

    I wonder what skills Tony could take to the private sector?

    🤔

  18. Dr Fred Lenin

    No way he should get back ,the media are not giving us GBH of our ears ince he was chucked out ,the propaganda is down to Trump bashing now only , and the decromats are tying to get him out again . All this Brexit and Impeachment anti democratic crap are proof positive that career politics should be abolished . The voters elect hem then they think they are appointed like judges and PS mandarins who can do what they like never mind democacy ,what about their careers?
    These arrogant pricks need to be pulled into gear ,made to relise who feeds them ,along with a lot of the other tax eaters too . “He who pays the piper ,calls the tune”.

  19. A Lurker

    Abbott turned up at two! IPA functions and promised to repeal 18c in it current format. Ex post it turned out that he never was going to do so. He lied to my face. So yes, I’m pissed off.

    He was still a politician, did you honestly expect any different?
    Besides, even the best of men sometimes compromise or change their mind when faced with the cold winds of political reality.

    I wonder if Abbott was truly aware of the termite infestation in the Coalition, or if he was aware, did he mistakenly think that he could turn them around to his way of thinking? I suspect that not only the termites were working against him but apparently he was additionally leaned on by a number of ethnic groups who would have seen the demise of S18C as detrimental to them and their causes.

  20. candy

    I think TA taken down not just by Turnbull/bishop/pyne but Morrison just as much involved. More than any of them he looked devastated in Question Time after the first attempted coup did not succeed.
    We will never know their conversations and I bet no emails exist now, but it is my hunch Morrison has the most rat cunning of the group, in the same way John Howard had. I suppose it is a compliment in a way, maybe.

  21. Cassie of Sydney

    I agree that Abbott caved on free speech…just like he caved on a lot of other things. He lost his mongrel….the fighting spirit that had made him a very good and effective opposition leader. Unlike someone like Trump….Abbott failed to understand that his election win in September 2013 was just the beginning of the fight. Instead Abbott became emasculated…..he obviously saw his election win as the cap. I mean within weeks he had appointed that vacuous bint Stott Despoiler to some plum role, he had vocally defended Shorten’s mother-in-law continuing in her role despite the fact that there was a clear conflict and he should have insisted on her resignation when Shorten became Labor leader. And then he and Hockey went AWOL before the 2014 budget….when they should have been out and about engaging and talking to the Australian electorate. And so it went on…like an awful saga….and who could forget the knighthood…..talk about giving your enemies your own gun to shoot you with. And as far as I am concerned…one of the worst things he did was his caving in on 18C….there wasn’t even a meow from him about 18C. I have long thought that he paved the way for his own destruction. Unlike that vindictive narcissist Turnbull….Tony Abbott is a good man but….but…apart from the boats…he was an inept PM.

    ..and then he went missing in action, he

  22. Dr Faustus

    Sure Turnbull is a piece of work, but Abbott’s backflip on the repeal of 18c is only an example of his broader mode of failure.

    His downhill spiral actually started before he was elected – competing with, and agreeing to, slabs of RGR social engineering. Then, immediately on election, his first act was to offload political responsibility for economic reform to Tony Shepherd and the Commission of Audit – and then, fucked up the implementation, floundered around in the mud for 12 months with the idiot Hockey, and then declared ‘job done’ leaving Australia no better off and me paying more tax.

    Populist by instinct.

  23. He was very effective as leader of the opposition, alas when he became PM he got an immediate sex-change.
    There were two things hitting (many) small businesses right in the gizzard – he could have done something simple to alleviate those.
    He made a conscious choice to do nothing to help small business, he chose to sit on his hands.

    During his short time as PM, the ALP went from being so scared of him they did everything they could to bury his name & image, to actually using full core-flute images of his face on their own advertising.
    He was toxic.

  24. Infidel Tiger

    It is a bit sad.

    Buy a caravan Tones and go travelling.

  25. Cassie of Sydney

    “His downhill spiral actually started before he was elected – competing with, and agreeing to, slabs of RGR social engineering. “

    Yep…agree entirely. Abbott said yes to NDIS even before he was elected.

  26. Chris M

    Sinc loves him some Turnbull

  27. twostix

    Ah no.

    Abbott launched the campaign to repeal S18C and immediately turbullian IPA “liberals” ran dead or lined up and used it against him.

    We don’t forget Brandis’s “right to be bigots” torpedo of the whole thing.

    Meanwhile Abbott was the most conservative PM this country could possibly sustain.

  28. Win

    Abbott had an effective opposition in cabinet. And does any one really believe that the Electoral Commission is not as compromised as every other entity that the Socialists have taken over. Why is it that only very effective Liberal leaders can lose their seats ,Howard,Griener Kennett And Campbell Newman but never the most hated Labor Prime Minister and or demonstrable Labor imbeciles.

  29. twostix

    Let’s have some context here.

    This very place was running daily attack pieces on Abbott by Turnbullian boosters. Their claim was that Turnbull, now there was a true libertarian / liberals friend – Abbott was a just a big government statist (despite taking to government quangos with a baseball bat).

    They got their way and…..how embarrassing. Their guy was so bad, the Turnbull regime was so unimaginably humiliating for them that one would hope they’d be a little quiet about the whole thing for awhile (forever).

    But here we are.

  30. Des Deskperson

    ‘I wonder what skills Tony could take to the private sector?’

    In the eighties he was a journalist on the old ‘Bulletin’ when it was still right-leaning.

    I dunno if he got the job because of his written and investigative skill or whether it was through his networks. He always seemed extremely well connected in those days.

    He once interviewed a senior manager in an agency I was working in, over some public policy issue or concern current at the time. The manager felt afterwards – perhaps unfairly – that Abbott didn’t seem to be fully across the matter.

  31. Roger

    Abbott had one job.

    He had three jobs (at least):

    Stop the boats.

    Axe the carbon tax.

    Repeal 18C.

    Two out of three isn’t bad for a modern politician, especially given the white anting Abbott had to combat from – as 123&Bush put it – the most disgusting people in Australian politics.

  32. twostix

    Who can ever forget this.

    This was the closest we ever got, and will ever get to having a government smack the ABC.

    What did IPA Turnbullian liberals do at that critical moment.

    Got their number one man to create a “Friends on the ABC” parliamentary group and ran to their leftwing media mums for a pat on the head. “We’re the good ones! Forget that mean Abbott guy!”.

    As with S18C, Abbott tried, Turnbullian IPA elitists obstructed.

  33. ‘I wonder what skills Tony could take to the private sector?’

    He disposed of Micky Trumble. Twice.
    There must be a few companies in need of this skill.

  34. Clam Chowdah

    Yes agreed.

    Now admit Turnbull was total shit.

  35. Iampeter

    Just go!

    Heh, that was exactly my thought when I read the story.
    I still think you’re being waaayyy too nice.
    Abbott is a guy who spent his entire life in politics, had never had a job, yet knows nothing about politics.
    He’s written nothing on the subject and when he speaks it’s at the level of childish superficiality.
    He’ll say whatever to whoever. He doesn’t know or care.
    And the things he did participate in are what we would expect from any good left wing politician. Far from repealing 18C, he was part of the government that built the green bureaucracy, middle class welfare, gun buybacks, oh and agreed to sign us up to the Paris accord, just to name a few brilliant moments.
    But you know…knighthoods…king and country… hurumpf…politics. This is the level.

    I think empty suits like Abbott represent everything wrong with the conservative movement and I think the decline will continue until we start demanding from our politicians the level of competence we’d demand in any other business.

  36. Dr Faustus

    Meanwhile Abbott was the most conservative PM this country could possibly sustain.

    Arguably true.
    And yes, he was blessed with disloyal, incompetent, self-serving colleagues.
    And a freakshow Senate.

    Nonetheless, Abbott was unable to string together anything that looked like coherent policy – a position made worse by the fact that he was so uncertain that he blew in the direction of the strongest political wind. Really, the results are there for all to see.

    (And the glow of Turnbull’s rear lights as he drove off the road doesn’t make him look better.)

  37. Muddy

    How many people are required to run a competent government? A competent opposition party? A competent political party? Just one?

    If we could create a composite of all of the most inspiring, effective political leaders from history, and somehow pass that creation off as a real human (and Australian citizen), slipping them into the position of leader of the Federal Liberal Party while everyone was distracted, would that see all of our dreams come true? Would everything change overnight?

    It seems to me that we are STILL – after how many freaking years now? – focused unduly on an issue, a deficit, that is just one of many problems conservative politics in Australia faces. The best leader inspires and delegates, but without competent followers to actually ACT on that inspiration, an otherwise admirable leader remains a hollow figurehead. We have more than enough hollow figureheads already – political (and social, cultural, economic) bollards.

  38. Dr Faustus

    Fuck. I see I am agreeing with Iampeter.

    Where I suggested Abbott might not have been quite up to scratch, I actually meant that he was the absolute embodiment of Team Australia.

  39. Cassie of Sydney

    “Nonetheless, Abbott was unable to string together anything that looked like coherent policy – a position made worse by the fact that he was so uncertain that he blew in the direction of the strongest political wind. Really, the results are there for all to see.”

    100% correct.

  40. Sinclair Davidson

    Now admit Turnbull was total shit.

    Not total shit. But disappointed on the up-side.

  41. whyisitso

    This post convinces me more than ever that Davidson is a lefty pretending to be a right-winger.

  42. Siegfried

    I like TA as a person, I think he is inherently a ‘good man’ as some have described.
    However, I don’t think he has the political nous to know when to fight, and when to cave.. he seemed to me to get that wrong multiple times when PM. I think he personally wanted to see 18C repealed, but made a political call at the time.. probably another wrong political call but I don’t have knowledge of all the influences he had pressuring him, few likely do. Interestingly I think ScoMo has a better grip on that talent… not great, but better than TA.
    Would like to see TA back in cabinet in a difficult portfolio.. he is a tenacious, smart, loyal guy.. just not a PM!

  43. Mother Lode

    Turnbull did precisely nothing to change 18c – just like Abbott

    My recollection is that, under Abbott’s Prime Ministership, the excesses of s18C were being raised (an natural prelude to introducing a bill to modify the RDA), but were derailed when Brandis declared that bigots had ‘the right to be bigots’. The MSM made sure that was how the debate was going to be framed: “Do you want to enable bigotry?”

    And the simple fact is that for ordinary people at that time the prohibitions of the RDA were remote and seemed to apply to businesses and media types. High profile cases like Bolta happened to high profile people. Rightly or wrongly most people did not see themselves as threatened by s18C. Even if they called a Muzzie a raghead, or an Asian a Ching Chong, they would not have imagined they would be tripped up by the RDA.

    As for Abbott’s electoral success, well I am in his electorate. There was a major effort in terms of posters and billboards not devoted to promoting a candidate but purely to sliming Abbott. Then there was the help in donations and volunteers that Zali got while she feigned ‘independence’.

    And all of this when he was just a backbencher. Not as if people were repudiating his Ministerial activities. Certainly Zali hasn’t done anything for the area. People would surely not say she has been a better member than Abbott. Her persona in the election was all smoke and mirrors.

  44. Adelagado

    I see there was no mention in the Australian article of giving Prince Philip a knighthood. Apparently that year Abbott couldn’t find a single Australian worthy of the honour. This more than anything else convinced me (and probably millions of others) that he was a fruitcake.

  45. notafan

    I see there was no mention in the Australian article of giving Prince Philip a knighthood. Apparently that year Abbott couldn’t find a single Australian worthy of the honour.

    not this chestnut again

    Prince Philip was a worthy recipient

    and it was given after Quentin Bryce, the great republican. accepted a damehood.

    which the whingers all conveniently forget

  46. Cassie of Sydney

    “Adelagado
    #3177133, posted on October 7, 2019 at 1:58 pm
    I see there was no mention in the Australian article of giving Prince Philip a knighthood. Apparently that year Abbott couldn’t find a single Australian worthy of the honour. This more than anything else convinced me (and probably millions of others) that he was a fruitcake.”

    My understanding was that Abbott was asked by Buckingham Palace….because the Duke wanted it. A wiser politician, understanding the political fallout, would have firmly said no. Also, my understanding i that Abbott failed to consult cabinet. I might be wrong on that but the bottom line is that he did himself no favours.

  47. twostix

    Under Abbott’s government he returned order to the borders and abolished the climate change tax and as an added bonus took a baseball bat to various government quangos that had popped up like mushrooms under Rudd / Gillard.

    That’s what he was elected to do.

    S18C was a weird policy thing that nobody outside of this blog and the bowtie wearing IPA membership understood or cared about but still he made an attempt to run it through and the IPA’s stooges used it as an opportunity to hang him out to dry.

  48. Siegfried

    In contrast, Trumble had no redeeming qualities whatsoever!

  49. notafan

    S18C was a weird policy thing that nobody outside of this blog and the bowtie wearing IPA membership understood or cared about but still he made an attempt to run it through and the IPA’s stooges used it as an opportunity to hang him out to dry.

    yep a boogie man piece of legistation that has zero effect on Australian citizens

    unlike the other stuff mentione

  50. Robbo

    Exactly how bad must he be for Sinc to acknowledge that Turnbull is (was) a treacherous talentless rat who betrayed his leader so that he could grab the top job regardless of whether he had the necessary talent to do that job. It turned out that he was an incompetent PM and a mean and miserable loser as he did his best to destroy the election prospects of the Coalition. Interestingly he was a loser on that front as well. Self centred and narcisstic are all Turnbull will be remembered for by those few who have any passing interest in that miserable individual.

  51. notafan

    .because the Duke wanted it.

    so?

    like everything the media did a beat up and about everyone fell for it

    like the onion
    and winkgate
    and saying some female pollie was attractive
    and the shirtfront
    and the indonesian spying that occurred under rudd but was somehow Abbott’s fault
    and every other trivial thing that had the peanut gallery saying ooh and aaah

    the knighthood was barely newsworthy
    until it was a stick to beat Abbott with

  52. Oh come on

    Agree with Sinc about the statement that he’d re-enter parliament if the Libs would let him. Like many things Abbott has said, he could have worded that better.

    His criticism of Trumble is well overdue, though. It is incredibly irritating how Trumble acts as though he was the victim of some great betrayal, and the MSM is perfectly happy to go along with this false narrative. No. Trumble is the perfidious one. Trumble’s entire political career is characterised by perfidy. It was the only thing he was good at.

  53. twostix

    Also we now have the benefit of perfect hindsight.

    The same people who relentlessly white-anted and campaigned against Abbott during his PMship – promised that under their guy things would be so much different.

    Yes today we’d have an ETS and the borders would still be open , but what of their much cherished S18C repeal.

    Well we got to see what that meant in 2017.

    Here is the IPA endorsed Turnbull’s modification to the S18C:

    He[Brandis] had attempted to amend the government’s 18C proposal to make it clear that harassment could occur online and did not require people to be in each other’s presence.

    The government amendment also made it clear that harassment in the revised 18C could involve a single act – a definition that troubled the One Nation leader, Pauline Hanson, and the Australian Conservatives senator Cory Bernardi, who argued that the commonsense meaning of the word harassment was multiple acts.

    Get that.

    They attempted to ‘repeal’ S18c’ by making it infinitely worse.

  54. egg_

    I would return to parliament if the Liberals asked me, says Tony Abbott

    Go Tones!
    How about a “No Windfarms for Warringah” ticket?

  55. Cassie of Sydney

    “His criticism of Trumble is well overdue, though. It is incredibly irritating how Trumble acts as though he was the victim of some great betrayal, and the MSM is perfectly happy to go along with this false narrative. No. Trumble is the perfidious one. Trumble’s entire political career is characterised by perfidy. It was the only thing he was good at.”

    Agree..I would argue that Turdbull’s whole adult life has been characterised by perfidy.

  56. Oh come on

    and the shirtfront

    Oh yes. Now the media class likes to believe that they’re sophisticated thinkers with nuanced perspectives. Yet when Abbott said that he was going to “shirt-front” Putin at the G20, they acted as though he had broken a promise when he didn’t physically assault the Russian president. Smh

  57. Oh come on

    In hindsight, the most galling thing about Abbott’s 18c backdown was his ‘team Australia’ justification offered to Oz RoPers, which was promptly thrown back in his face by Muslim community leaders. It looked as though Abbott backed down on 18c for a lot of not very nice people for nothing.

  58. Oh come on

    In hindsight, the most galling thing about Abbott’s 18c backdown was his ‘team Australia’ justification offered to Oz RoPers, which was promptly thrown back in his face by Musssslim community leaders. It looked as though Abbott backed down on 18c for a lot of not very nice people for nothing.

  59. Abbott was one of the few (along with Nick Minchin & a few others) who had the balls to challenge the Global Warming (the so-called AGW) bullshit all those years ago. The Australian public, who at that time still maintained a degree of common sense, applauded his chutzpah & very nearly gave him government in 2010.

    They still maintained the faith in 2013 & put their faith in him to restore sensible government. But like so many before (& after) him, he tried to be all things to all people. Australians, like most people, will follow conviction politicians when they put their conviction into practice.

    Abbott was all at sea as PM & his equivocation & rambling, incoherent encounters with the media rapidly lost him public support. He is a good man, but he was a lousy PM – it is as simple as that.

    He eventually even alienated his loyal constituents in Warringah. After all those years representing his seat – even as PM – he showed no commitment to the urgent need for a tunnel under the Spit in Middle Harbour to expedite traffic to & from the rapidly expanding Northern Beaches. The plans were available & there were opportunities for public/private investment to finance it. He just wasn’t interested.

  60. Oh come on

    like the onion

    If Rudd did this it would have been quirky and charming.

  61. stackja

    mh – TA does bush fire fight job, surf life saving job, charity jobs, AWM job. TA also continues to do a job on leftists brains.

  62. twostix

    yep a boogie man piece of legistation that has zero effect on Australian citizens

    unlike the other stuff mentione

    As a matter of principle its good to repeal these things.

    But none of this has anything to do with principle, it’s to do with class and status.

    IPA Turnbullian goons – despite representing nothing except their think-tank / academic class (about 150 people in Australia), think they get to run Australia and that the Liberal party belongs to them. They think that their chosen guy was cheated in 2009 by the vulgar suburban everyman’s candidate. “Ugh, don’t those bogans even know the GDP freedom benefits of a government mandated ETS and a million african warlords in their suburbs. Statists!”

    So the next ten years have been a relentless campaign against him – it was Turnbull their lord and saviour they demanded, and they would have nothing less.

    Well they got it. And now we got to see what their guy was about. An absolute disaster.
    Yet still they obsess over Abbott – who we can now see that by any metric a more libertarian liberal PM than the guy they replaced him with by a mile.

    Weird right.

  63. Adelagado

    notafan
    #3177140, posted on October 7, 2019 at 2:01 pm

    I see there was no mention in the Australian article of giving Prince Philip a knighthood. Apparently that year Abbott couldn’t find a single Australian worthy of the honour.

    not this chestnut again

    Prince Philip was a worthy recipient

    Prince Philip has never had to spend a second of his life worrying about how to make ends meet. Doing good deeds at public expense is his friggin job! And he’s never even lived in Australia. Nevertheless I didn’t have a problem recognising him with some kind of award. An order of Australia for example. But to give him the highest award in the land was insulting to every other living Australian. Utter stupidity of Abbott not to realise this.

  64. twostix

    This aged, so very, very, badly.

    No wonder most of the Turnbullians like Aussie Pundit, are in hiding now.

    They are prototypical Never Trumpers!

  65. Carbon Emitter

    Nothing constructive to do today Sinclair?

  66. notafan

    Prince Philip has never had to spend a second of his life worrying about how to make ends meet.

    So what?

    he served with distinction in WW II

    putting your live on the line for your country is way beyond never worrying about how to make ends meet’

    Also I doubt Dame Bryce did must of the worrying about how to make ends meet either but whatever

    seriously how can one die in a ditch over Philip’s knighthood?

    a non issue unless you are a shill for the left

  67. FelixKruell

    Abbott was a dinosaur on social and cultural issues. To overlook that, from my perspective he had to be brilliant on the economic and rights issues. Instead we got personal tax increases, and no changes to 18c. Bye bye now Tony…

  68. Mother Lode

    If Rudd did this it would have been quirky and charming.

    If Rudd has done it it would have been a carefully choreographed event, brainstormed and workshopped, with all the people who belonged at whatever event it was pushed to the back to let in the cameras, perhaps a couple of distracted but photogenic kids around him, and a specially modified onion.

    It would be touted as a spontaneous and candid moment showing Rudd’s knockabout Aussie persona.

  69. twostix

    After the colossal and embarrasing disaster that was Turnbull’s PMship – the absolute best that Turnbullians are pushing for is that we all agree to call it a draw.

    Which means Abbott must stay out of politics and they get to write history as they see fit, which includes:

    – Ignoring the historic and impressive feat of not only effectively countering the worst excesses, but then repealing and abolishing climate change tax, legislation and government bodies – alone in the entire western world.

    – Closing the borders – again, alone in the entire western world with most of the anglosphere, and internationalists actively working against him.
    (He’ll always have those great achievements.)

    – Forgetting their part in white-anting him and hi-alaning conservatives against him.

    On the other hand they have….Friends of the ABC, and a failed attempt to ‘repeal’ S18C…by making it even more dangerous.

    LOL.

  70. twostix

    Bye bye now Tony…

    Hello Malcolm Turnbull and Scott Morrison!

    Great thinking!

  71. Adelagado

    #3177208, posted on October 7, 2019 at 2:42 pm

    Prince Philip has never had to spend a second of his life worrying about how to make ends meet.

    So what?

    he served with distinction in WW II

    So did my father (a WWII pilot) and thousands of others who were alive at the time of the ‘knighthood’. The point is, it was political stupidity and arrogance that he never recovered from. His opponents always said he was a dinosaur and he confirmed it. Theres plenty of bleating for Abbott on this site but outside this bubble I think few people miss him.

  72. mh

    Out of Abbott, Turnbull and Morrison I have to say I think ScoMo is by far the best PM. So far.

    One of the biggest problems facing Australia is the RBA, and I doubt anyone in politics would touch that issue with a barge pole.

  73. This post represents Abbott Derangement Syndrome at it finest. It never seems to end.

  74. MikeS

    like the onion
    If Rudd did this it would have been quirky and charming.

    If Abbott had done the “going for gold” eat your own ear-wax thing, the outcry and ridicule would have been smug and incessant. As Bolt has pointed out, it’s the tribe not the principle.

  75. Tim Neilson

    Out of Abbott, Turnbull and Morrison I have to say I think ScoMo is by far the best PM. So far.

    Mick Trumble was undoubtedly the worst by a trillion lightyears, so you’ve at least avoided the wooden spoon.

    As Photios Party leader ScoMo has done Australia the inestimable service of preventing us from copping Peanut Head as PM, so I’ll always have a good word for him.

    But I don’t see what he’s done as PM that’s as good as stopping the boats and axing the carbon tax.

  76. Peter Greagg

    While I know this is of little or no consequence, but from personal experience, if you want to continue to hate Abbott, don’t ever meet him.

  77. tombell

    The Phil the Greek knighthood fiasco was a shocker. Have never heard so many of my right of centre friends say “WTF”. (And why, other than to wedge Billy boy, he decided to re-introduce Imperial honours the year before and give Quentin a gong remains a mystery). Credlin who, according to some, was running the show was either blind-sided or compliant. But the worst thing about the Phil fiasco was it came the day before Campbell Newman faced the Qld electorate. It’s not unreasonable to think the result might have gone the other way. ( He/his Ministry has form in this area. Earlier on in Abbott’s tenure his defence minister kindly shot the SA Libs in the foot just before the SA election with his canoe remark. Johnston may have been right but what a time to gift the Labor party a scare campaign).

  78. Dr Faustus

    I would return to parliament if the Liberals asked me, says Tony Abbott

    Whatever one thinks of Abbott, the prospect of this ever happening seems vanishingly remote.

    Hard to imagine anyone in the parliamentary Liberal Party being keen for the absolute distraction that would be caused by an Abbott Second Coming.

    The media reptiles would be queueing up to speculate about leadership challenges, leaping onto faux pas, and rehashing old slights and fuckups. And at each election the Liberal Party would have to spend big on sandbagging Abbott against GetUp and Voted-Conservative-All-My-Life-No-Really-I-Did-Mummies-for-Niceness.

    The maximum payoff would be an moderately competent re-cycled minister/shadow – dividing the partyroom and displacing newer bums on leather.

    Will not happen.

  79. Craig Mc

    Looks like it but no. Get Up failed spectacularly during the election. His constituents had had enough of him and tossed him.

    His constituents probably read the tea-leaves in the weekly polls about how Labor were dead certs and calculated that voting independent would maximise their leverage over the change in government.

    Suckers. You’re stuck with that dim fraud for another 30 months. Enjoy.

    Not that I think Tony should stand again, at least not for the lower house – his style was always better suited for the senate. Anyway, there are other jobs to be had in life besides politician. Ambassador to a newly independent Britain perhaps? I could see he and Boris getting along.

  80. politichix

    I would return to parliament if the Liberals asked me, says Tony Abbott

    Such astonishing arrogance.

    No not arrogance you numpty! It is in fact incredibly humble as the first step for a return to parliament is to gain pre-selection from the party. Your neverAbbott is undignified.

  81. Entropy

    Sinclair Davidson
    #3177117, posted on October 7, 2019 at 1:44 pm

    Now admit Turnbull was total shit.

    Not total shit. But disappointed on the up-side

    Come off it. The answer to the problem of weathervane Abbott was most definitely not Turnbull. He was a total failure as Prime Minister, with Gillard/Rudd level incompetence at the job. A piquant mix of simlar policy capacity as Gillard and the sociopathy of Rudd. A Malcolm Fraser redux. But with maximum entitlement.

    Turnbull was a completely and utterly fucking failure exactly as many on this blog predicted.

  82. Adelagado

    tombell
    #3177302, posted on October 7, 2019 at 3:32 pm

    The Phil the Greek knighthood fiasco was a shocker. Have never heard so many of my right of centre friends say “WTF”.

    You are absolutely correct. I was one of them, and I’m still saying WTF!

  83. Tim Neilson

    (And why, other than to wedge Billy boy, he decided to re-introduce Imperial honours the year before and give Quentin a gong remains a mystery).

    Wasn’t that a good enough reason?

    Knighthoods would have been great – every time a Labor/Greens megalomaniac grubbed themselves a gong they’d be asked “do you want the Monarchy brand AK, or the second-tier Republic approved AC?”

    Which is, in part, why the “progressives” used the Prince Philip triviality to torpedo it.

  84. Glynn

    Abbott was overuled on “18C” by his Cabinet, who were undermining him. Did Turnbull do anything about 18C? No, despite the Bill Leak tragedy. Why – because he wouldn’t upset his fellow leftie, Gillian Triggs.

  85. Mother Lode

    My understanding based on a motley collection of anecdotes is that it is considered proper to bestow honours on the Royal consorts – although there have not been many men in the role: Victoria’s husband and the current duke might be it.

    Not so much for their personally earning them as the position they hold. Charles has the Order of the Garter, although I believe his interests run to other items females use now.

    That was (I probably somewhere read) Prince Philip was given a knighthood.

    If we offered one for people who ticked off all the right people he would certainly have earned it.

  86. Alan

    No, it’s not arrogance. Just an honest answer to a journalist’s question. Most pollies would have lied. But not Tony.

  87. These first comments on Abbott Govt were written ~5yrs ago end Oct2014
    The Govt of Prime Minister Tony Abbott is thirteen months into a three year term – winning a landslide in the House of Reps in Sept 2013 they hit the ground mostly asleep except for the successful boats policy – missed the chance for a mini-budget in 2013 – emerged from the summer break thinking about the WA Senate election rerun then diverted by MH370 – hamstrung by a fractured Senate their first budget attempting to turn around entrenched GreenLabor waste is still a shambles – behind in the polls – under constant attack by a revisionist mainly left media lead by the taxpayer funded ABC – diverted again by MH17 – they lack the vision to see that a double dissolution is essential if they are not to wimp out their term as lame ducks begging for Labor help to pass legislation.
    Their best performer Scott Morrison who has stopped the boats is underutilised and should get a new senior ministry – how about Minister for Getting Things Done.
    At the time I wrote the above I did not realise moves were quietly afoot to lease Darwin Port to the Chinese and recently I have concluded Abbott must have known before he was booted by MT.
    Although the Fed Govt needs better leadership I doubt it can be found by wistfully hoping for T.A.
    And I have missed out 18C plus Knights n Dames.

  88. New South Holland

    He forgot about the base. Needs to go to night school again, study Trump 101.

  89. Fisky

    But I don’t see what he’s done as PM that’s as good as stopping the boats and axing the carbon tax.

    This is not necessarily a good thing, but he’s saved the property market. Up 3% since the election!

  90. Dr Fred Lenin

    No one should be allowed to spend their whole life as an MP, no one is trustworthy enough , power corrupts ,one term is enough for them ,before the rot sets in . “Think of the talent we will lose “ ,what talent? ,they are not talented ,devious yes ,dishonest yes ,liars yes ,corrupt yes ,but not talented . Only Trump is talented to degree ,but he is not a politician .

  91. I_am_not_a_robot

    Tony Abbott 1st preference vote:
    Year Vote
    1994 54.21
    1996 57.72
    1998 55.46
    2001 51.45
    2004 54.43
    2007 54.53
    2010 58.92
    2013 60.89
    2016 51.65
    2019 39.01
    (Wiki).
    His personal vote dropped 9% between 2013 and 2016.
    Because of his regrettable ‘surrendered on free speech’?
    Single cause fallacy.

  92. The BigBlueCat

    Tim Neilson
    #3177334, posted on October 7, 2019 at 3:55 pm
    (And why, other than to wedge Billy boy, he decided to re-introduce Imperial honours the year before and give Quentin a gong remains a mystery).

    Wasn’t that a good enough reason?

    Knighthoods would have been great – every time a Labor/Greens megalomaniac grubbed themselves a gong they’d be asked “do you want the Monarchy brand AK, or the second-tier Republic approved AC?”

    Which is, in part, why the “progressives” used the Prince Philip triviality to torpedo it.

    I agree, Tim. I w0nder what the left’s approach would have been if TA has knighted Whitlam or Hawke? Or Flim Flam Flannery? But Phil the Greek was a bad idea.

    I also think this whole thread is an unnecessary pile-on and represents TA666 derangement syndrome (albeit not at it’s worst). 1) The Lib’s aren’t about to ask him back 2) If they do he will be parachuted into a very safe seat. But honestly, no-one can see it happening, not even TA.

    To Sinc’s point, yes it’s up to the electorate, and I don’t think it’s arrogance on Abbott’s part. But when you look at Warringah and how Zali Steggal got in, you have to wonder about their mental health. She’s still driving her SUV isn’t she? Has she got her solar panels yet? And no wind farms yet in Warringah??? If anyone is a denialist, it’s her.

  93. Old School Conservative

    Zali was just a useful stooge.
    The GetUp totalitarian movement allied with the Never Abbott brigade and the non-thinkers who swallowed the Kool Aid of “it’s time for a change”.
    A Drover’s dog could have beaten Abbott in that environment.

  94. Beachcomber

    Dr Fred Lenin at 5:18 pm

    No one should be allowed to spend their whole life as an MP, no one is trustworthy enough , power corrupts ,one term is enough for them ,before the rot sets in .

    So true. Term limits are the only way to restore a functioning democracy. But is it possible to have a functioning democracy in the seriously dysfunctional West?

  95. sfw

    The Knighthood stuff is a sideshow however if Abbott had any savvy he would have at the same time given one to Shane Warne, Kevin Rudd and some Liberal sycophant, that would have shut all the media up.

    Abbott lost me completely on 18c, he bared his arse to the leftie tyrants, took it with a smile and then tipped them for the service.

  96. Iampeter

    Under Abbott’s government he returned order to the borders and abolished the climate change tax

    I forgot about the whole carbon tax fiasco.
    Tony Abbott most certainly did NOT repeal anything. He just re-branded it.
    He was also a supportive member of the government that first proposed something like a carbon tax for Australia and was working to implement it in the first place. His sudden opposition to green policies after 2008 was just the usual shameless opportunism.

    All you brave soldiers against the left supporting Abbott need to realize you are supporting a LEFTIST.

  97. Mother Lode

    I agree, Tim. I w0nder what the left’s approach would have been if TA has knighted Whitlam or Hawke?

    With Whitlam they would not consider the award honoured him, but that he honoured the award. Honestly, their near deification of him was largely not about him per se but as a tragic figure in the great Greek style drama: a good King singled out by petty and spite filled Gods before whom, but for the benefit of all others, he suffers a cruel curse.

    Like that other champion, Chifley, who also condemned Labor to the wilderness until they repudiated his legacy.

    Hawke, the left did not particularly like. Unions were stronger then, but the elitist left disliked his affable blokish image or the fact he implemented the reforms from the Campbell Report. But Hawkeyes died, so the left can use him as a proof of how nasty the Libs are/were.

    No, Keating was their man. An oaf and a bully, spitting his venom in parliament, boasting of his Zegna suits (which somehow never made him look better) and Mahler (like the one composer whose name he had learned). And now a shrunken husk, dehydrated, curled, and hollow. Fading away surrounded by his clocks booming the demise of each second.

    When he dies it will be sackcloth and ashes for a month. There will be special supplementals in the newspapers containing the news from the rest of the world because the papers will start with Keatings opinion of headlines and finish with his thoughts on sport, and cover every Keating topic between.

    When Howard dies they will celebrate as they did when Thatcher passed.

  98. 132andBush

    Self centred and narcisstic are all Turnbull will be remembered for by those few who have any passing interest in that miserable individual.

    The trouble is though, Robbo, the Libs are shot through with his acolytes, fellow travellers. The adherence to the AGW hoax being but one example.

  99. Adelagado

    sfw
    #3177445, posted on October 7, 2019 at 5:50 pm

    The Knighthood stuff is a sideshow however if Abbott had any savvy he would have at the same time given one to Shane Warne, Kevin Rudd and some Liberal sycophant, that would have shut all the media up.

    He couldn’t have given them a knighthood at the same time as Phillip. He had made up a rule that only one knight and one dame could be created each year. That just compounded the lunacy in my opinion.

    And as for Abbott’s never ending whinge about Turnbull’s “overweening ambition”, lets not forget that Abbott turfed him out of opposition leadership in the first place. Left in charge I have no doubt that Turnbull would have won against Rudd/Gillard. (Because ANYONE could have beaten that despised, completely discredited outfit).

  100. littledozer

    He surrendered on free speech.

    I agree

    But so did the rest of the Liberals at the time including MT the potentially great one.

    Lets not forget that MT did his best to sabotage the 2019 campaign.

    What is it with Vic IPA members, when the rubber hits the road they nearly always align themselves with the wets of the Vic Libs, yet when they loose on their number 1 issue free speech they cry foul on Abbott while giving a pass to the wets in the party that block any progress on winding back any of the lefts positions.

    You reap what you sew.

  101. Cassie of Sydney

    “And as for Abbott’s never ending whinge about Turnbull’s “overweening ambition”, lets not forget that Abbott turfed him out of opposition leadership in the first place. Left in charge I have no doubt that Turnbull would have won against Rudd/Gillard. (Because ANYONE could have beaten that despised, completely discredited outfit).”

    Now that is a pile on.

    1. There has been NO never ending whinge from Abbott about Turnbull’s “overweening ambition”…that is simply not true.

    2. Abbott didn’t turf him out in 2009….there was a leadership spill and the party turfed Turnbull out….oh and I remember Turnbull’s incredible political acumen in 2009..the Godwin Grech affair.

    3. And as for your laughable claim that Turnbull would have won against Rudd/Gillard…I doubt that very much. We saw how Turnbull dealt so effectively with Bill Shorten in 2016….and wasn’t that a smashing success…NOT. In fact let’s call the Turnbull campaign in 2016 for what it was….a complete fucking disaster and it was a disaster created by Lord Turnbull himself. He was a lazy, elitist, incompetent campaigner who thought that because inner city luvvies “loved” him then he could and would easily win an election…well that worked out well didn’t it…NOT. Turnbull took the afternoons off during the 2016 election campaign…..whereas Abbott would have been campaigning all day and all night. And the elitist Turnbull hated campaigning in marginal electorates and he hated talking to the average Australian in marginal electorates….you know those ordinary Australians who actually have to worry about power bills…..those ordinary Australians who rightly worry about excessive immigration etc etc etc. Sad to say but if you want to win government in this country, you need to talk to those ordinary Australians in those “boring marginal seats”….in areas that inner city luvvies love to sneer at.

  102. candy

    All you brave soldiers against the left supporting Abbott need to realize you are supporting a LEFTIST.

    That’s so ridiculous, Iampeter.
    Closed borders, stopped the boats, Catholic, anti abortion, anti SSM.

    And you call TA a leftist – That’s comes across as a most ridiculous statement, as if you don’t understand the basic difference between left and right of politics?

  103. Cassie of Sydney

    “That’s comes across as a most ridiculous statement”

    Candy…everything he writes is ridiculous.

  104. candy

    Stopping the boats is probably the most significant policy of 25 years, as we look how things are around the world.

    Malcolm Turnbull and Scott Morrison and the Libs rode in on the success of that and have no achievements to their name.

    MT has same sex marriage, that’s true, and Scott Morrison we don’t know yet what his beliefs are. Mostly I think he hates banks, is probably what most Australians know of him, and are waiting to see what he achieves.

  105. mh

    candy
    #3177497, posted on October 7, 2019 at 6:57 pm

    Nice trolling, Candy!

  106. Adelagado

    Cassie of Sydney
    #3177493, posted on October 7, 2019 at 6:49 pm

    3. And as for your laughable claim that Turnbull would have won against Rudd/Gillard…I doubt that very much.

    You must have forgotten the Labor shitfight at the time. Rudd took over as PM (from Gillard) just a couple of months before the election. Senior labor figures resigned ministries and said that wouldn’t serve under him. Kristina Keneally called him a psychopath. (Most of us had already worked that out anyway). Like I said… anyone could have beaten him.

  107. Mother Lode

    Stopping the boats is probably the most significant policy of 25 years, as we look how things are around the world.

    Both times!

  108. Squirrel

    In the interests of Australians who are too young (or too new to Australia) to remember a time when our federal politics was relatively stable, the federal Parliament should be given the opportunity to redeem itself – with the grudges and grievances of past leadership struggles left in the past, as far as possible.

    As a former journalist, and very pithy wordsmith, Tony could surely be helpful to the Liberal cause outside of the Parliament – maybe a gig on Sky, after a suitable interval……?

  109. Dr Fred Lenin

    One alp luminary said ,”everyone loves Kevin except people who have met him “ good description of the psychopathic maggot ,still drawing $200k plus of taxpayers money along with giliard and the other alp slag turnbull ,$600k for those useless bastards ,criminal waste , get them on jobstart rates .

  110. Cassie of Sydney

    “You must have forgotten the Labor shitfight at the time. Rudd took over as PM (from Gillard) just a couple of months before the election. Senior labor figures resigned ministries and said that wouldn’t serve under him. Kristina Keneally called him a psychopath. (Most of us had already worked that out anyway). Like I said… anyone could have beaten him.”

    Nope…I haven’t forgotten anything…..oh and how do you explain Turnbull’s colossal failure in 2016…hanging on by one seat? Whether you like Abbott or not…you have to admit he was a formidable political campaigner….unlike the lazy and inept Turnbull. And further on Turnbull….his formidable campaigning skills (NOT) were evident again in the Super Saturday by-elections in July 2018…….the Libs under Turnbull didn’t pick up one seat…not one…yet in May 2019….the Liberals won Braddon and Longman. You are just piling on Abbott…..I am not immune to Abbott’s failings…particularly as PM….but I do acknowledge his talents.

  111. notafan

    Turnbull would never have gone to the polls with

    Axe the tax

    And

    Stop the boats

    But yeah the drover’s dog would have won in a landslide.

  112. notafan

    Also misogynist and woman hater that so self respecting woman would vote for.

    Bad bad very bad horrid man

  113. Fisky

    When he dies it will be sackcloth and ashes for a month. There will be special supplementals in the newspapers containing the news from the rest of the world because the papers will start with Keatings opinion of headlines and finish with his thoughts on sport, and cover every Keating topic between.

    And that’s just the China Daily.

  114. Adelagado

    Cassie of Sydney
    #3177519, posted on October 7, 2019 at 7:27 pm

    Nope…I haven’t forgotten anything…..oh and how do you explain Turnbull’s colossal failure in 2016…

    I’m not talking about 2016. I’m talking about 2013 when Abbott flogged Labor because they were totally dysfunctional. And have you also forgotten that in 2010 Abbott couldn’t even defeat Gillard in a head to head election (or win over the Independents.)

    None of this means I supported Turnbull. He was a dud. But Abbott was very lucky. He was never popular but the planets briefly aligned for him.

  115. Cassie of Sydney

    “I’m not talking about 2016. “

    And I am pretty sure that Turnbull would have been a dud in 2010 and in 2013…..he was happy for Abbott to do the hard yakka so he could then do what he does well…slime, malign and backstab.

    Oh and I happen to think that Abbott would have won in 2016…….maybe he would have seen his majority halved but I have no doubts that he would have beaten Shorten.

  116. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Why fight over Turnbull or Abbott?

    They’re both very disappointing, like the Liberals generally.

    The only competent and lasting reform of Abbott was to institute the turnback policy.

    Ricardo, Pauline or David L did (or will do) more for us than the Liberals ever will.

  117. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    I was very optimistic about Abbott. He could have been bloody marvelous. He fucked up, really badly.*

    The thing is, the LIBERAL CAUCUS elected Trumble.

    No good having a chimera with the head of a tiger but the dead body of a putrefying donkey.*

    *Let’s say he was torpedoed – then face it, conservatives and libertarians do not have a major party that represents us.

  118. Cassie of Sydney

    “Ricardo, Pauline or David L did (or will do) more for us than the Liberals ever will.”

    you forgot to add Mark Latham’s name in that equation…..I am so pleased I voted for Mark in the NSW state election…and he hasn’t let me down yet.

  119. 2dogs

    Costello received a lot of requests to rejoin after he quit.

    Interesting that Abbott has had any.

  120. Beachcomber

    “You must have forgotten the Labor shitfight at the time. Rudd took over as PM (from Gillard) just a couple of months before the election. Senior labor figures resigned ministries and said that wouldn’t serve under him. Kristina Keneally called him a psychopath. (Most of us had already worked that out anyway). Like I said… anyone could have beaten him.”

    Rudd and Labor-Green were doing fine and were very comfortable against the the Turnbull Coalition, who were more like a supporting cast than an actual Opposition. As soon as Abbott and co. turfed out Turnbull and started campaigning against the carbon tax and Labor-Green’s boat invasion, Rudd collapsed like the shallow, vain poseur he is. When the Coalition presented a traditional, conservative option, Labor-Green were in trouble.
    It’s a bit like the last election. When Morrison gave clear, unambiguous support to coal mining, and was unapologetic about his Christianity, Labor-Green were done.

  121. Fair shake of the Sauce bottle

    I like the guy. He was savaged by msm before he got the gig, during and after. Then that Turnbull c u NT ensured he would never succeed. However TAs political nose was not as good as it should have been despite years of honing his craft. Once ousted there were rumours he may he talked into having another crack. Well his ability to sell a coherent message, statement or policy was underwhelming. After a few minutes of his Ums and ahs and carefully crafted answers there was no authenticity left. PDT can sell , make mistakes but overall be authentic. It’s too late after the grand final to show your skills. TA had his opportunity and blew it.
    But I still like him. CFA fire captain and all.

  122. Robber Baron

    Abbott got rid of Gillard/Rudd.
    Morrison got rid of Turnbull.
    Both are Australian legends.

  123. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Cassie

    You’re right. Ironic how Latham is better for us than the actual Liberal Party.

  124. Tim Neilson

    Abbott got rid of Gillard/Rudd.
    Morrison got rid of Turnbull.
    Both are Australian legends.

    Two nationally vital achievements indeed.

    But I think ScoMo did a Stephen Bradbury in the Photios partyroom.

    Mick Trumble did his smartest guy in the room routine by declaring a spill before there was any challenge.
    Dutton took on the challenge and Trumble realised he’d self-immolated and flounced off.
    Then the simpering wets had to scramble to find someone not quite as wet as Trumble in order to stop the partyroom electing someone who might actually make a few hard calls.
    ScoMo got the gig.

    But, as I said above, he saved us from a Peanut Head government so he’ll always have a place in the Pantheon.

  125. mh

    But, as I said above, he saved us from a Peanut Head government so he’ll always have a place in the Pantheon.

    And a place in the hearts of a lot of Australians.

    Ok, slight overreach there.

  126. egg_

    But I think ScoMo did a Stephen Bradbury in the Photios partyroom.

    And against Tits.
    The Stephen Bradbury of Oz Politics.

  127. David Brewer

    I wonder if Tony’s basic problem is that he wanted to be liked.

    Think of all his Catholic “good deeds”, both for his constituents and through volunteer work, his restraint in the face of Gillard’s appalling sexism rant, and the olive branch to Muslims represented by the 18c backdown.

    Trouble is, in politics, such virtues are taken as weakness, vacillation, and even cowardice. The hate mob piles on, as they smell vulnerability.

    BTW I wouldn’t convict Tony of arrogance based only a headline. What did he actually say? He is not normally an arrogant man.

  128. Tapdog

    I also sat five metres from Abbott when he promised an IPA audience that he would repeal 18c. His subsequent volte face was like a kick in the nuts.

    Sinclair (12:21) is mad as hell because Abbott ‘lied to my face’ . If there IS evidence that Abbott was lying then let’s hear it. My conclusion was that he was dissuaded against his better judgement from following through.

    He’s clearly a decent family man with a tolerant outlook and strong community service ethic. In following his parliamentary career (good and bad) I’m still at a loss to understand the depth of the animosity towards this man. To accuse him of ‘astonishing arrogance’ says more about the accuser than the accused.

  129. mh

    The Stephen Bradbury of Oz Politics.

    I’d just like to point out that Bradbury got to the Olympic final following a lot of blood sweat and tears.
    He worked hard for his luck.

    Let’s not sully his name by comparing him to Australian politicians.

  130. Seco

    whyisitso
    #3177119, posted on October 7, 2019 at 1:45 pm
    This post convinces me more than ever that Davidson is a lefty pretending to be a right-winger.

    Sinc is one of many of the academic elite too afraid of missing out on dinner party invitations, not unlike your PVO’s. A guy who’s been been crying ever since Abbott “lied to his face” yet thought Turnbull was the best thing since sliced bread. Either Abbott’s parties were shit compared to Turnbull or Abbott never invited him. As for “free speech”, didn’t Sinc’s beloved IPA give Alan Moran the lemon and sparse over comments regarding the Religion of Peace? It’s all about the dinner party invitations people.

  131. Iampeter

    That’s so ridiculous, Iampeter.
    Closed borders, stopped the boats, Catholic, anti abortion, anti SSM.

    And you call TA a leftist – That’s comes across as a most ridiculous statement, as if you don’t understand the basic difference between left and right of politics?

    Those are all left wing positions too. Along with Abbott’s support of green policies and welfare. I know this is hard for most cat posters to grasp but there’s a lot more to politics than mindlessly repeating talking points you don’t understand.
    To be right wing is to stand for individual rights, rights-protecting government and capitalism. Things that don’t violate rights (like immigration, SSM, abortion) are not to be regulated to proper right wingers.

    I know this isn’t what you hear everywhere else, but given the lack of understanding of politics today, you’ll have to do some independent thinking to figure these things out.

    Or remain a dummy like most people you’ll meet at the Cat. Advancing the left wing cause without even realizing it.

    Capitalist socialists like Fisky, Infidel Tiger, Arky, et al. Totally clueless and embarrassing people.
    Don’t be like them.

  132. sfw

    Tapdog, what are you trying to say? That it was ok for Abbott to break his promise? I knowpollies break promises all the time but (to me at least) I thought he was different. He presented himself as an honest man who would carry out his promise, he didn’t.

    When faced with all the slimey jellybacks who wanted him to fold on 18c, Abbott should have used his enormous authority (at the time) to make them fold into submission. He didn’t he broke his promise and therefore had blatantly lied to everyone.

    I look to Boris Johnson, under far more pressure than Abbott ever faced and he is not backing down, he may still lose but he won’t fold, Abbott and the country would both be better off if Abbott had the balls to do the same thing when he had the chance. I would never trust him again, ever.

  133. one old bruce

    Aah, no Iampeter. Left and right refer to the French Revolution, whose supporters were leftists and opponents were rightists – the Church the aristocracy, the Ancien Regime – in UK known as Tories.

    Conservatives in the UK also were on the side of the old landed aristocracy – which opposed free trade as it would free their ‘tenant’s from land bondage and obligation to the elite. But Catholics took up the left wing cause by the late Victorian era because their congregations were mostly poor – the Popes Rerum Novarum which coined the term Social Justice. Liberals were also left wing as they opposed the Right Wing Tories. Then again there were Tory Radicals.

    It’s all become very muddled.

  134. Iampeter

    Old bruce, I know that’s the origins of the terms but what I’m saying is that if you understand what politics is about, individualism vs collectivism, then you use them with reference to these fundamentals.
    Not with reference to the technicalities and non-essentials, that are sometimes outright not even relevant to politics, that most people use them.

  135. Clam Chowdah

    While I know this is of little or no consequence, but from personal experience, if you want to continue to hate Abbott, don’t ever meet him.

    Hah, true! But true also of an ALP MP that I enjoyed chatting with on the sideline at kids weekend sport over many years. Good guy, just drank the union koolaid.

  136. one old bruce

    In Andrew Roberts’ ‘Napoleon and Wellington’ he notes that the latter had to have his London house boarded up with iron sheets after Waterloo, because the English masses smashed all his windows, Napoleon was their hero.

    WASP elite landlords realised they did not need tenant farmers after the Industrial Revolution and colonial expansion, and took up the previously leftist/liberal cause of free trade – labour could be exploited from anywhere in the world, no need for bonded Brit serfs any more. Universalism/globalism was profitable. The masses turned to religious enthusiasm, both Catholic and low church Protestant: the latter spawned a new elite of upwardly mobile entrepreneurs: how many newly rich families were Methodists – they were a major force in making Australia prosperous, now forgotten.

    Western leftism got itself into a muddle by embracing feminism, at first a liberal middle class cause championed by JS Mill, it now shows how Mill’s liberal ideas are untenable. Because there are no generic individuals, as we see all around us.

    The USA was of course founded on the leftist liberal ideas of universal individual rights. Which has come back to bite them.

  137. Iampeter

    That’s how we end up with the mess today where people think the political movement that wants to regulate energy companies is somehow an alternative to a political movement that wants to regulate tech companies.

  138. Iampeter

    The USA was of course founded on the leftist liberal ideas of universal individual rights. Which has come back to bite them.

    I’d day individualism is right wing, with left wing being collectivist.
    Rights have not come back to bite anyone. Just the rise of collectivists, in the form of both conservatives and progressives, that is biting us.
    If you oppose the individual-rights founding ideals of America then you are on the same side as commies, Nazi’s, theocrats and every other evil and authoritarian regime. Whether you properly recognise that as left wing or not is hardly going to matter, but that clarity may have helped you avoid this predicament.

  139. Tim Neilson

    I’d just like to point out that Bradbury got to the Olympic final following a lot of blood sweat and tears.
    He worked hard for his luck.

    Let’s not sully his name by comparing him to Australian politicians.

    True.

    My apologies.

  140. BorisG

    I have called me to like TOny Abbott but he has lost an election in a safe seat. He needs to get a life!

  141. “BorisG
    #3177968, posted on October 8, 2019 at 9:18 am
    I have called me to like TOny Abbott but he has lost an election in a safe seat. He needs to get a life!”

    BorisG….whilst I agree that Abbott needs to move on…the fact is that Warringah…like Wentworth (where I live) in no longer a “safe seat” for the Liberals.

    I have been arguing for a while that the Liberals will inevitably have to walk away from seats such as Warringah, Wentworth and Higgins.

  142. politichix

    FFS! Lying is not the same as breaking a promise!

  143. @politichix

    Lying is not the same as breaking a promise

    What’s the difference?

  144. Tapdog

    Tapdog, what are you trying to say? That it was ok for Abbott to break his promise?

    A broken promise is a failure to deliver and repudiates an undertaking including one that was made in good faith. The purpose of a lie is from the outset, to deceive. A far more serious offence at least in my taxonomy. Same outcome different pathway.

  145. classical_hero

    Repealing 18c was something he never could do because of the wets in the party, such as the beloved hero of the owner of the blog.

  146. max

    Gary North:

    the religion of Leftism. “There is no salvation outside the church of politics.”

    The mainstream media, because they are intensely liberal, are intensely committed to politics. They are committed to the doctrine of salvation by politics. This is the doctrine of salvation by legislation, which always becomes salvation by executive regulation: the Federal Register. In short, this is salvation by law — not ethical, personal salvation — liberals do not believe in this, not believing in heaven or hell — but political law for corporate salvation.

    As a conservative in the Burke-Nisbet tradition, I don’t care much about politics. I think social change starts with voluntary associations. Localism matters more than nationalism, except in major wars, which we have not seen since 1975. So, I see politics as mainly entertainment.
    There is an old slogan: “Don’t worry about what you cannot change.” This is good advice.

  147. MH posted “I’d just like to point out that Bradbury got to the Olympic final following a lot of blood sweat and tears.
    He worked hard for his luck.

    Let’s not sully his name by comparing him to Australian politicians.”

    What planet are you on-Bradbury only got to the final in the first place because of disqualifications and then had the sole strategy of trying to not win and hope everyone fell over. Ok it worked and it was smart but lets not pretend his was a work hard to beat all odds type victory-it was a fluke pure and simple.

    From his wiki entry:
    Only the top two finishers from each race would proceed to the semifinals. Bradbury finished third in his race and thought himself to be eliminated, but Gagnon was disqualified for obstructing another racer, allowing the Australian to advance to the semi-finals.[14]

    After consulting his national coach Ann Zhang, Bradbury’s strategy from the semi-final onwards was to cruise behind his opponents and hope that they crashed, as he could not match their pace.[15] His reasoning was that risk-taking by the favourites could cause a collision due to a racing incident, and if two or more skaters fell, the remaining three would all get medals, and that as he was slower than his opponents, trying to challenge them directly would only increase his own chances of falling.[15][16] Bradbury said that he was satisfied with his result, and felt that as the second-oldest competitor in the field, he was not able to match his opponents in four races on the same night.[17]

    In his semi-final race, Bradbury was in last place, well off the pace of the medal favourites. However, defending champion Kim Dong-sung of South Korea, multiple Olympic medallist Li Jiajun of China and Mathieu Turcotte of Canada all crashed, paving the way for Bradbury to take first place and advancing him through to the final.

    In the final, Bradbury was again well off the pace when all four of his competitors (Ohno, Ahn Hyun-Soo, Li and Turcotte) crashed out at the final corner while jostling for the gold medal. This allowed Bradbury, who was around 15 m behind with only 50 m to go, to avoid the pile-up and take the victory.[15][16][18] Bradbury became the first person from a southern hemisphere country to win a Winter Olympic event.[19] After a period of delay, the judges upheld the result and did not order a re-race, confirming Bradbury’s victory.

    And Sinc-enough of the ADS-Turnbull was far more incompetent and useless than Abbott

  148. Iampeter

    the religion of Leftism. “There is no salvation outside the church of politics.”

    Then you should support leftism, since you support religion.

  149. Iampeter

    As a conservative in the Burke-Nisbet tradition, I don’t care much about politics.

    At last. An honest conservative. The only correction I’d make is:
    “As a conservative in the Burke-Nisbet tradition, I don’t know much about politics.”

  150. Terry

    Yes. Let’s complain about Abbott (No, of course he wasn’t perfect).

    He certainly did not do enough to put out the fire.

    Of course, the arsonist, openly running around throwing petrol on everything was excellent. Potentially great even.

    Give me a break.

    Could someone start a ‘gofundme’ to get the oxygen turned back on in the halls of academia – ffs.

  151. cohenite

    TA: good bloke, husband, father, citizen but I don’t think he’s got the ticker.

  152. @cohenite

    TA: good bloke, husband, father, citizen but I don’t think he’s got the ticker.

    Ticker maybe. Judgement absolutely not – as evidenced by Knights and Dames mark I and the recent mark II. No to mention the people in his cabinet and the roles they had.

  153. The Sheriff

    Sinclair has one of the worst cases of Abbott Derangement Syndrome in the country, right up there with PvO. Still trying to distract from his embarrassing endorsement of Turdball to the very bitter end.

  154. PoliticoNT

    Team – this is a bit self-indulgent. Politics is tough. Our former PM came to the end of his time. Turnbull was only able to roll him because Mr Abbott and his COS failed at the front end basics. You lose support in this country if you make no sense when you speak in public. Mr Abbott made no sense when he opened his mouth. It was his COS’s job – in particular – to correct and identify this failing. She didn’t, either through simple ignorance of the problem, or through hubris. Point is, Abbott was vulnerable.

    In basic terms I revere Abbott for holding the line against the odious Rudd and Gillard, and running them out of Parliament. He was a good local member and a decent Australian. But he had a lot of failings. He wasn’t crash hot at policy. I vehemently disagreed with him lining up behind Gillard to scurry out the door of Afghanistan. But 18c? Yeah/nah – he was a trier but not great stock. Like his writing – pretty so-so.

    This kind of rear looking complaint only diminishes him.

  155. Tel

    Sinclair has one of the worst cases of Abbott Derangement Syndrome in the country …

    All measurement is relative … people expected a whole lot from team Abbott/Credlin but sadly the result was a total let down. People expected little or nothing from Turnbull and he delivered on that!

  156. David Brewer

    FFS! Lying is not the same as breaking a promise!

    I agree. Lying is knowingly uttering a falsehood. It is a statement that can only occur after the situation to which it refers.

    Breaking a promise is doing something you said you would not do. It is an act that can only occur after the statement which refers to it.

    In this case, Tony didn’t lie, he broke a promise. Same issue with Julia’s “there will be no carbon tax under the government I lead”. She later introduced a carbon tax. So she broke her promise, she did not lie.

    Whether these promises were made in good faith at the time is an important but different question. At a guess, I’d say Tony’s was. Not too sure about Julia’s – I think she just said it because she knew it would help her re-election, and…”tomorrow’s another day”.

  157. Terry

    David Brewer
    #3179656, posted on October 9, 2019 at 6:58 pm

    Yeah, Tony and Juila’s circumstances were virtually the same (The 18c – Carbon Tax equivalence).

    While Tony’s esteemed colleagues held him down to prevent him from intercepting the suicide bomber, Julia willing strapped on Bob Brown’s custom-made vest.

    Same-same.

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