Tuesday Forum: October 8, 2019

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  1. Roger

    However, once a citizenship is granted, it should be, IMO, for life.

    Citizens can’t be deported, Delcon.

    The only exception is those who hold dual citizenship; they can be deported after their Australian citizenship is revoked on account of (simplifying it) engaging in terrorist activity here or abroad, taking up arms against Australia or committing a crime that attracts a prison sentence of at least 6 years.

  2. mh

    Somehow the Open Forum doesn’t seem fun.

    Oh ⬆️

  3. Snoopy

    Taxpayer funded lying xunts now have the largely taxpayer funded The Conversation (LOL) website to their lying selves and are taking full advantage.

  4. Iampeter

    Part of you delusion young Iamaknob, is you don’t have your classifications right, due to being brainwashed by lefties.

    The fact that you are not young makes you look much, much worse, given the content of your posts.
    There’s nothing wrong with my classification, it’s based on the proper fundamental alternatives in politics, as opposed to mindlessly regurgitated talking points.

    Conservatives have nothing to do with Chistianity as a rule, but the conservative mind which may not be religious at all , understands it’s value.

    Conservatives have no understanding of politics, history, philosophy and so cannot explain anything about the world, what’s happening, or what should be done.
    As such they try to fill this gap with religious nonsense, which can’t help, so leaves them even further removed from everything.
    They are like the cargo cultists in the pacific islands, basing their ideas on massive misintegrations about everything.

    I’m not that Christian, but I understand Christianity’s great positives for civilisation and freedom.

    No one is that Christian today. That’s why we have an advanced and free civilisation.
    You just turn to religion, in a non-serious way, to evade going to the effort of independent thinking.

    It’s a refuge for immoral people.

  5. Iampeter

    In other words, you support the state redefining reality. You are in lock-step with the state.

    That’s the exact opposite of what I said.
    Your evasions are non-responsive.

  6. Nick

    Less water, less electricity, no dams, no nuclear, open borders.

    The Left can’t help themselves.

  7. Arky

    The response to anything put forward by a progressive must then be:
    1. Identify the vulnerable group they are interested in today.
    2. Work out precisely how they are trying to harm them.
    3. Figure out ahead of time the rhetorical tricks they will employ to make it seem like someone else’s fault.

  8. Iampeter

    mh, I sympathise with you.
    A big brained, exceptional individual like yourself has no time for serious political and economics discussion on a blog dedicated specifically to that type of content.
    You’d be far more at home at Infowars or Voxday, with the other intellectual giants of your calibre.

  9. Iampeter

    Let’s see precisely what you are.
    State your positions on:
    1. Immigration.
    2. Trade with states that torture dissidents and harvest their organs.
    3. The ABC
    4. Trump’s judicial appointments
    5. Roe v Wade.

    Yea because politics is discussed by taking random positions, on random issues, for random reasons.
    You’re a real political aficionado aren’t you?

    Start with explaining what you think the function of government is and why, then apply it to issues.
    You won’t get past this starting point. If you actually laid out what you think a gov should do you’d sound like your average teenage marxist. Better stick to the random sperging instead.

  10. Arky

    Let’s try some real world examples:
    Climate change:
    1. Identify the vulnerable group they are interested in today: The poor.
    2. Work out precisely how they are trying to harm them: Cut them off from useful energy sources.
    3. Figure out ahead of time the rhetorical tricks they will employ to make it seem like someone else’s fault: Climate denier, big oil shill etc etc.

  11. Arky

    Start with explaining what you think the function of government is

    ..
    No.

  12. mh

    Iampeter, you are just so boring.

    You’ve said the same thing over and over again for years.

    It’s as if you’ve been brainwashed. Oh yes, you did that Ayn Rand correspondence course didn’t you.

  13. Arky

    Another example:
    Gender:
    1. Identify the vulnerable group they are interested in today: Youth.
    2. Work out precisely how they are trying to harm them: Get them to cut their todgers off.
    3. Figure out ahead of time the rhetorical tricks they will employ to make it seem like someone else’s fault: Suicide rates, bigotty bigots, homophobic etc etc.

  14. Delcon

    You just turn to religion, in a non-serious way, to evade going to the effort of independent thinking.

    The big bullshit perpetuated by the Left: if you are an atheist, then you must be an independent thinker.
    Extinction Rebellion, Occupy, and, indeed Marxism, are all examples of the fine intellectual heights one can reach when one abandons religion and starts thinking, you know, independently.
    Here is the thing, Iampeter: *no one* thinks independently, not religious people, nor militant atheists.
    Reality is a far too complex system for *anyone* to be able to comprehend sufficiently to think about completely logically. We all operate based on some basic assumptions/conventions.
    It is your independent thinking, is it not, that led you to the independent conclusion that Cardinal Pell is guilty. Any retarded child can understand how stupid that conclusion is. Fuck you, Iampeter.
    As far as these go, one can do much worse than Christianity, IMO.

  15. Tel

    The government is good at one thing. It knows how to break your legs, and then hand you a crutch and say, “See if it weren’t for the government, you wouldn’t be able to walk.”

    – Harry Browne

  16. Arky

    Abortion:
    1. Identify the vulnerable group they are interested in today: Pregnant women.
    2. Work out precisely how they are trying to harm them: Panic them into killing their own unborn children.
    3. Figure out ahead of time the rhetorical tricks they will employ to make it seem like someone else’s fault: Coat hangers, r&pey men etc etc.

  17. dover_beach

    That’s the exact opposite of what I said.
    Your evasions are non-responsive.

    Dear oh dear, your first response to the Scarrabelotti article was to accuse the author and ‘conservatives’ of ignorance and hypocrisy.

  18. 1735099

    What nest (sic)? Are you going to start banging on about apartheid?

    AFAIK, Apartheid had nothing to do with birds nests.
    But this is Catallaxy.
    Absolutely anything is possible.

  19. Arky

    AFAIK, Apartheid had nothing to do with birds nests.

    ..
    What are you on about?
    Have you had a stroke?

  20. John Constantine

    Cheerful Squalor for Kalifornia.

    PG&E is now saying up to 800,000 households across 34 California counties could lose power for days.
    That adds up to millions of people. This is the technology center of the universe + fifth largest economy on earth.

    What did kalifornians use for light before socialism gave them lanterns and candles?.

    Komrades?.

  21. Mother Lode

    Everyone knows I support the state functioning exactly as it is supposed to function based on an understanding of politics, which itself is derived from the facts of reality.

    Everybody knows that my rigorous collection of incontrovertible truths and classifying them into classifications has produced a comprehensive classification of incontrovertible truths.

    With honours.

    Imagine having your braincase straining to keep that kind of nonsense inside, even as every neurone, tormented and desperate, is trying to back away from its neighbours in all directions at once.

  22. thefrollickingmole

    Have you had a stroke?

    Hes been stroking even since he lacked the courage to refuse conscription.

    Stroke me, stroke me
    Could be a winner boy you move mighty well
    Stroke me, stroke me (stroke)
    Stroke me, stroke me
    You got your numberwang down
    Stroke me, stroke me
    Say you’re a winner but babe, you’re just a sinner now

  23. Arky

    nothing to do with birds (sic) nests.

  24. Roger

    Imagine having your braincase straining to keep that kind of nonsense inside…

    Just reading it is painful.

  25. Arky

    Maybe you should find out if the correct form for a nest made by birds is singular or plural before you waste time pointing out that the x is next to the s on my keyboard.

  26. feelthebern

    J&J Hit With $8 Billion Jury Award Over Antipsychotic Drug
    A Philadelphia jury ordered Johnson & Johnson to pay $8 billion in damages to a Maryland man who said his use of J&J’s antipsychotic Risperdal as a child caused enlarged breasts and the company failed to properly warn of this risk.

    US8bill payment for breasts.
    Some people have to fork out 10k.

  27. Bruce of Newcastle

    AFAIK, Apartheid had nothing to do with birds nests.

    Currawongs are like the ANC.
    They’re mostly black.
    They love stealing stuff off each other and off other birds.
    They also like to eat other birds’ babies.
    They love handouts from people.
    I suppose that means currawongs are socialists.

  28. thefrollickingmole

    Lefties are vermin..

    Heres a weasel shitweaseling on racial issues.

    Racism is that strange phenomenon, apparent everywhere and apparently nowhere. People believe that not “seeing” race, or being “colourblind”, is progressive, when it is merely evasive.

    because..
    What might happen if we took it as given that after six centuries of European imperial rule it would be astounding if most of us – including people of colour – were not shaped by the racial hierarchies put in place? The term white supremacy may invoke images of hooded Klansmen burning crosses, but it actually refers to an entrenched system of racial domination that once justified colonisation and slavery, the legacies of which still shape economic, political and social orders, particularly in the west.

    No you dribbling inbicile force fed a diet of greivance studies and deliberate ignorance, the “old order” was one of monarchs/gentry defending their slice of the pie over the vast seething mass of “everyone else”.
    The greatest trick the “toffs” ever played was letting the left cornhole itself with racial grievances and identity politics.

    Another way of deflecting engagement with race is to personalise matters. As the sociologist Robin DiAngelo notes, insisting that there was no “intent” to be racist or asking, “how can you say I’m racist, you don’t know me”, are manifestations of “white fragility”. In this scheme, only exceptionally “bad” people can be racist, and therefore the mere suggestion of racism is often treated as more serious and hurtful than racism itself.

    Classic Kafkatrap, insistin you are not guilty is proof of your guilt, we dont require the truth, only your submission…

    The whole article is a wail that somehow whites are simultaneously uniquely evil and have created the template for countries to achieve first world lifestyles for the majority of its population, regardless of race or background..

    WORST WHITE SUPREMACY CIVILIZATION EVER……

  29. Arky

    Maybe you should find out if the correct form for a nest made by birds is singular or plural before you waste time pointing out that the x is next to the s on my keyboard.

    ..
    God, I hope you never try to write a book.

  30. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Currawongs are like the ANC.

    Fair comment.

  31. areff

    Not used often, “peter” is a slang term for a dick.

    Iampeter reminds us of that.

  32. thefrollickingmole

    Bruce of Newcastle

    Do they stick little tires around other birds necks and set them on fire?

  33. Chris

    Currawongs are like the ANC.

    And Australian Ravens are ZANU PF.

  34. Mother Lode

    What nest (sic)? Are you going to start banging on about apartheid?

    AFAIK, Apartheid had nothing to do with birds nests.

    Birds’ nests?

    Bird’s nests?

    Monty! Go check the rake shed. I think you will find one is missing.

  35. Bruce of Newcastle

    Ok I apologise: the ANC never eats babies. They only kill them in the womb like other socialists do.

  36. stackja

    SAN FRANCISCO (CBS SF) – Pacific Gas & Electric Co. announced Monday that widespread dry winds forecast for midweek will prompt power shutoffs in Napa, parts of the East Bay and potentially in portions of 30 counties the utility serves.

    The utility confirmed Monday afternoon that it plans to begin shutting off power in Napa County beginning early Wednesday morning due to “potentially widespread, strong and dry wind event” that is forecast through Thursday afternoon. The shutoff may extend for five days or longer.

  37. Iampeter

    You’ve said the same thing over and over again for years.

    Well yea. Multiplication tables are also the same thing over and over. Facts are what they are.
    Your problem is that you’re on a site covering topics you know nothing about and aren’t interested in.
    Ofcourse it’s boring.

  38. 1735099

    Maybe you should find out if the correct form for a nest made by birds is singular or plural before you waste time pointing out that the x is next to the s on my keyboard.

    Maybe you should try posting information and discussion rather than abuse.
    It might open up a whole new world for you….

  39. cohenite

    Extinction Rebellion is an upper-middle-class death cult

    Brendan O’Neill Spiked Online 7th October 2019

    Yesterday, in London, I witnessed an eerie, chilling sight: I saw a death cult holding a ceremony in public. The men and women gathered outside King’s Cross station and formed a circle. They swayed and chanted. They preached about End Times. ‘What will you do when the world gets hot, what, what?’, they intoned, conjuring up images of the hellfire they believe will shortly consume mankind. They sang hymns to their god – science. ‘We’ve got all the science / All that we need / To change the world / Hallelujah’, they sang, rocking side to side as they did so.

    They demanded repentance. ‘Buy less, fly less, fry less’, said one placard. Catholics only demand the non-consumption of meat on Fridays, as an act of penance to mark the day of Christ’s death. This new religion demands an end to meat-consumption entirely, as penance for mankind’s sins of growth and progress.

    And like all death cultists, they handed out leaflets that contained within them ‘THE TRUTH’. The leaflets foretell floods and fire: ‘We are in trouble. Sea levels are rising… Africa and the Amazon are on fire.’ The only word that was missing was locusts. They can’t be far behind these other ghastly visitations to sinful mankind…

    It’s a good read but I reckon this crew are just cognitive dissonant hypocrites. I maintain that Western society has created a new adaptive framework where people who are completely useless and who would be eradicated quickly in the Darwinian adaptive framework, ie nature, are nurtured by the Western framework even when their actions are destroying said Western framework.

  40. Chris

    Do they stick little tires around other birds necks and set them on fire?

    How immoral.
    Tyre fires are the worst for gloabl warming*.
    I can’t help but think of the kiddies, when yuge stockpiles of tyres go up in smoke.

    *spelling doesn’t matter, it’s a fraud anyway.

  41. Roger

    Racism is that strange phenomenon, apparent everywhere and apparently nowhere. People believe that not “seeing” race, or being “colourblind”, is progressive, when it is merely evasive.

    A goodly part of The Dumb was devoted to this proposal yesterday evening.

    Apparently, treating people as equals regardless of race is but thinly cloaked racism.

    A black woman on the panel implied – in as much as I understood her – that justice requires that white people acknowledge her blackness and the experience that goes with it.

    Before long, I imagine, offices the land over will begin each day with a ritualised apology for the sins of white people committed against coloured people.

    Followed by a ‘Welcome to Country’, of course.

  42. thefrollickingmole

    This would end the rort of judges (impartial Im sure) dishing out suspended sentences with an eye on migration outcomes.
    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/oct/08/coalition-woos-jacqui-lambie-to-back-migration-character-test-crackdown
    Facing opposition from Labor, Centre Alliance and the Greens, the Coalition needs to win over Lambie to change the Migration Act to make it easier to cancel the visas of non-citizens convicted of a serious crime punishable by two years’ imprisonment, even if a jail term is not imposed.

    Experts have warned the bill could lead to a fivefold increase in the number of people facing deportation, with residents from New Zealand and humanitarian refugees disproportionately affected.

  43. Arky

    Maybe you should try posting information and discussion rather than abuse.

    ..
    Get back on topic then.
    Stop evading and wasting time with snarky comments about typos while displaying your own lack of literacy.
    Please promise you will never try to write a book.

  44. feelthebern

    Amazing how all the Dems who are screaming about Turkey/Syria now, didn’t have a problem when Obama was doing it.
    Re post from Glenn Greenwald.
    2014 article from the Intercept.

    https://theintercept.com/2014/08/31/nsaturkeyspiegel/

  45. Indolent

    This is pretty relevant here, too.
    Trump Rids Major U.S. Container Port of Chinese Communist Control
    If only we had the gumption to follow suit.

  46. Arky

    I think the only time grammar and spelling are really crucial is when you are pulling someone up on, you know, their grammar or spelling.
    Unless you are writing a legal document or giving detailed instructions on building a bridge or some shit like that.

  47. Gilas

    Delcon
    #3179199, posted on October 9, 2019 at 10:00 am

    The Left is all about one thing: power.
    If there is some group in the population which is of lesser power, the Left will take interest, to the extent that it can ultimately serve the Left’s lust for power for itself…..

    Correct, but incomplete, explanation.

    As well as a simple lust for power, this motivation has morphed from the Marxist “class struggle” idea into an identity group struggle.
    Leftards don’t give a fück about the poor and minorities, but they really, really hate people unlike them ie. the rich and successful, in the manner of Orwell’s “The Road to Wigan Pier”.

    Yeah, I know about multi-billionaires’ wokeness.. that’s beyond rational explanation, an internalised ethical dysmorphic denialism maybe, or maybe simple fücked-in-the-head-ness.

  48. Arky

    Please promise you will never write detailed instructions on how to build a bridge.

  49. Iampeter

    The big bullshit perpetuated by the Left: if you are an atheist, then you must be an independent thinker.

    That’s not what I’m saying and it’s not what the left is saying either because they don’t support indpendent thinking anymore than religious people.
    I’m saying independent thinkers use reason to understand reality.
    That is a lot more than merely being atheists

    Extinction Rebellion, Occupy, and, indeed Marxism, are all examples of the fine intellectual heights one can reach when one abandons religion

    Those aren’t examples of abandoning religion. Environmentalism and Marxism are just rebrandings of Christianity and it’s teachings to appeal to modern minds.

    Reality is a far too complex system for *anyone* to be able to comprehend sufficiently to think about completely logically.

    Reality is too complex to know all the answers to the all technical questions, sure, but that’s not even necessary.
    It’s certainly not too complex to know how to think in the first place.
    You have to figure out the fundamentals before you get into the technical specifics and you don’t want to go to that effort. It’s hard to learn to think and maintain consistency.
    Having this pointed out makes you angry as you don’t want to hear it.
    You want knowledge without having to go to the effort of thinking and believe stomping your foot hard enough will make that happen. It won’t.

    Fuck you, Iampeter.

    OK, but I like to be wine and dined first.
    Nothing cheap either.

  50. Iampeter

    Dear oh dear, your first response to the Scarrabelotti article was to accuse the author and ‘conservatives’ of ignorance and hypocrisy.

    Fact check: correct.
    Nothing about the state being used to change reality, which would be consistent with your positions and the author of that article, not mine anyway.

  51. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Please promise you will never try to write a book.

    “Ho Chi Minh – His Part in My Victory.”

  52. notafan

    Delcon wants millions of people to come to Australia and taxpayers pay to lock them up forever.

    New libertarian immigration policy?

  53. Arky

    Those aren’t examples of abandoning religion. Environmentalism and Marxism are just rebrandings of Christianity and it’s teachings to appeal to modern minds.

    ..
    Hardly a rebranding.
    More a complete bastardisation or a primal scream for something to fill the void left behind.

  54. Gilas

    cohenite
    #3179242, posted on October 9, 2019 at 10:47 am

    Extinction Rebellion is an upper-middle-class death cult
    Western society has created a new adaptive framework where people who are completely useless and who would be eradicated quickly in the Darwinian adaptive framework, ie nature, are nurtured by the self-destructing Western framework.. and help to destroy said Western framework.

    Fixed

  55. John Constantine

    https://cryptoiq.co/bitfinex-and-tether-limited-sued-for-allegedly-printing-2-8-billion-of-fake-tether-usdt-and-causing-the-crypto-market-bubble-of-2017-2018/

    It all starts with the promise that each Tether (USDT) is backed by an actual dollar in the bank. This promise was stated on the Tether Limited website all the way until March 2019 when the New York Attorney General’s Office lawsuit started. At that point, the promise changed and stated that each Tether (USDT) was backed by cash in a bank and other undisclosed assets.

    The class-action lawsuit alleges that this promise is not true, and a significant amount of Tether (USDT) is backed by nothing. Evidence for this shows up in bank activity for Tether Limited and Bitfinex. When they lost their bank accounts with Wells Fargo, before they got an account with Noble Bank in Puerto Rico five months later, they issued $390 million of Tether (USDT). This does not add up since Tether Limited had no way to receive deposits during that time.

    Also, right before Tether Limited issued a report proving the amount of cash in circulation, 500 million Tether (USDT) were conveniently burned.

    The most well-known piece of evidence, since it is at the center of the New York Attorney General’s lawsuit, is that $625 million of cash was taken out of Tether Limited’s reserves and replaced with a Bitfinex IOU. That switch followed the government raid on Crypto Capital where hundreds of millions of dollars owned by Bitfinex were seized in connection with money laundering.

    There are several other examples of shady Tether (USDT) issuance and redemption in the 95-page class-action lawsuit.

    Bringing things full circle, the unbacked Tether (USDT) was used to buy Bitcoin (BTC), pushing up the entire crypto market. Apparently, 48.8% of Bitcoin’s price rise occurred within the two-hour periods following 91 Tether (USDT) issuances.

    There is also speculation that the 2019 bull run may also be due to the same sort of market manipulation by Bitfinex and Tether Limited since Bitcoin’s (BTC) price rise to $14,000 coincided with Tether (USDT) being printed en masse, and the price rise reversed when the Tether (USDT) printing stalled.

    The Plaintiffs allege that Tether Limited and Bitfinex simply had to sell off some cryptocurrency for cash and put it in the bank occasionally to prove Tether’s (USDT) reserves, allowing this scheme to continue unabated. Tether Limited has not been accurately audited in years.

    Nice scheme.

  56. John Constantine

    A class-action lawsuit has been initiated against Bitfinex, the largest USD to crypto exchange in the world, and Tether Limited, the operators of the most popular stablecoin with a circulation in excess of $4 billion, in the United States District Court of the Southern District of New York. The class-action lawsuit is on behalf of all people who held cryptocurrencies after Oct. 6, 2014, and the Plaintiffs expect damages to surpass $1.4 trillion.

  57. Old School Conservative

    From Indolent’s link:
    It all started with a 40-year container terminal lease between the Port of Long Beach in southern California and Hong Kong.
    Pussies. Only 40 years? Look what Andrew Robb and Andrew Giles came up with:
    The Northern Territory government has signed a $506m agreement with a Chinese based group for a 99-year lease of the Darwin port

  58. Delcon

    Gilas
    #3179251, posted on October 9, 2019 at 10:57 am

    Yeah, I know about multi-billionaires’ wokeness.. that’s beyond rational explanation, an internalised ethical dysmorphic denialism maybe, or maybe simple fücked-in-the-head-ness.

    Guilt.
    The billionaires of today feel they have to do something to alleviate their sense of guilt over how well they are doing. Instead of showing appreciation to how Western civilisation has allowed them to prosper and enjoy such wealth, they instead go the full retard in wokeness.

  59. Black Ball

    Good morning all.
    I very much enjoy Terry McCrann ripping into Kevin Rudd and Malcolm Turnbull over their energy policy. As he has done today. Excellent reading.

  60. Roger

    Environmentalism and Marxism are just rebrandings of Christianity and it’s teachings to appeal to modern minds.

    Environmentalism (at least in the prevalent contemporary version) and Marxism are predicated upon beliefs that are abhorrent to orthodox Christianity, videlicet the ontological priority of nature over humankind (the Bible teaches the opposite – nature was created for humankind) and the virtual sanctification of envy and theft in Marxism (the Bible condemns both).

  61. Iampeter

    More a complete bastardisation or a primal scream for something to fill the void left behind.

    Yea but if you think the void should be filled by an irrational and altruistic ideology like Christianity then you should love Marxism and the Extinction Rebellion.
    It’s poTato/potAto for all intents and purposes.

  62. Delcon

    notafan
    #3179256, posted on October 9, 2019 at 11:03 am

    Delcon wants millions of people to come to Australia and taxpayers pay to lock them up forever.

    New libertarian immigration policy?

    Not once, but twice in my post I have called on the government to change its immigration policies. That was my main point, which you may have missed in your haste to condemn my libertarianism*: if you realise there is some problem with the immigration intake, do not try to address these by deportations, but rather do so by amending the flawed immigration policies.
    ——-
    *I actually don’t regard myself as a libertarian. Libertarians are, to me, just a notch less inferior than Leftards.

  63. Arky

    As for me being “abusive” towards you, I am one of about only three people on here to repeatedly support you.
    I did so in the hope you might engage properly with something from your experiences, which I find of interest.
    Instead you have chosen to respond to the admittedly unrelenting chorus of pile- ons by coming here and depositing lefty boiler plate bullshit.

  64. Iampeter

    the Bible teaches the opposite – nature was created for humankind

    The fundamental teachings of the bible are not ontological, nor is that the basis for politics anyway.
    The fundamental teachings of the bible are the ethics of altruism. The idea that an individual should be sacrificed for something greater than themselves.
    This is best captured in the holiest symbol of Christianity, the crucifix.
    This moral code in turn leads to all altruistic and left wing movements, from the Kings and Priests of the Dark Ages, to the modern communists and environmentalists.
    All view the individual as just a means to an end.
    Whether it be god, state, race, proletariat, nation, environment, whatever, it hardly matters.

  65. struth

    Those aren’t examples of abandoning religion. Environmentalism and Marxism are just rebrandings of Christianity and it’s teachings to appeal to modern minds.

    Just a moron who’s got no idea about Chistianity.
    It actually consumes him.

  66. Steve trickler

    The CSIRO cops the proverbial boot up the bum.



  67. Anthony

    Germany and France building armies again. Has never worked out well on previous occasions.

  68. RobK

    I went to a field day on”regenerative farming”yesterday. It was an eclectic mix some solid science, blended with commercial interest, transitions to Steiner and permaculture, carbon farming, paradigm shifts to community involvement and feelz about 1+1=3; The sum is greater than the parts and the UN is onboard with this and there is potential for money to be made.
    The good bits on developing good soils were dampened by the feelz and under tone of revolutionary shift in science paradigm. The science, it was claimed had become too specialized. Soil science is a subject of great interest to me, as a farmer. I was pleased the topic is getting attention. I was disappointed by the political under-current and tax-payer funding of the facilitating NGOs.
    In summary, regenerative farming is billed as a transition to organic farming. It’s a mine field, unfortunately.

  69. Dr Faustus

    Boris Johnson’s office says Brexit deal ‘essentially impossible’, blames Angela Merkel

    EU leaders have demanded more “realism” from Britain in response to a Brexit plan proposed by Mr Johnson. The bloc says the proposals — which would require customs checks on some goods moving between Northern Ireland and Ireland — don’t fulfill the UK’s commitment to a frictionless Irish border.

    Those snorking at Johnson’s ‘technology’ proposal to avoid a hard Irish customs point have conveniently forgotten that the EU already operates systems like this at thousands of crossing points of the Schengen borders. Yet somehow, it appears that the UK would be unable to apply the Common Transit Convention to the tweety volume of xborder trade with Ireland.

    It’s almost as if the EU wants to make things difficult for Brexit…

  70. Delcon

    Roger
    #3179266, posted on October 9, 2019 at 11:12 am

    Environmentalism and Marxism are just rebrandings of Christianity and it’s teachings to appeal to modern minds.

    Environmentalism (at least in the prevalent contemporary version) and Marxism are predicated upon beliefs that are abhorrent to orthodox Christianity, videlicet the ontological priority of nature over humankind (the Bible teaches the opposite – nature was created for humankind) and the virtual sanctification of envy and theft in Marxism (the Bible condemns both).

    Exactly: The Bible calls on humans to multiply while environmentalism says the exact opposite. (Just one example of many how the Bible and modern “environmentalism” are at complete odds with each other.)
    Also, Marxism, which, according to this blog’s finest independent thinker, namely the poster
    Iampeter, is like Christianity, actually is openly anti-Christianity. In North Korea reading the Bible is a criminal offense IIRC.
    Ultimately, Christianity is about individualism, while Leftism is about Statism. Not the same thing. At all.

  71. BrettW

    Seems Extinction Rebellion required quite a few Police to attend their protests.

    Perhaps the relevant Police Commissioners could explain why the Police attending and making the arrests etc. were not 50% male and female.

    If they are going to push the 50% women agenda then they should have no problem using them in such operations.

  72. hzhousewife

    Here’s a letter to the paper – how to respond?
    “XXX presents a range of ideas some of which may be useful to help drought-proof our country. But in the second last sentence he strays into science and gets it wrong.
    The heat capacity of carbon dioxide is almost 40 percent higher than oxygen or nitrogen. Carbon dioxide molecules absorb the long wavelength infra-red radiation and radiate it back towards. This is the basis of atmospheric warming which has been known since the time of Swedish scientist Arrhenius in 1896. And if you doubt his credentials, he won the Nobel Prize for Chemistry in 1903. Let’s stop the climate change deniers and their twisting of scientific facts.”
    Yes, there is one weird sentence in there, one supposes he means heat is re-radiated back towards earth?
    Is this person being rational?

  73. Arky

    by coming here and depositing lefty boiler plate bullshit.

    ..
    And not being an entirely stupid man, you know it is brainless boiler plate bullshit: that is your intent.
    Not a genuine dialog.
    The only question is why you do it.

  74. dover_beach

    Fact check: correct.
    Nothing about the state being used to change reality, which would be consistent with your positions and the author of that article, not mine anyway.

    An article about the state allowing people to misrepresent their sex on their birth certificates has nothing to do with the state being used to change reality? I’m glad, however, that you’ve admitted your inital response was a red herring and that, as I stated, you are in lock-step with the state redefining reality.

  75. Atoms for Peace

    So, who is paying for the police security at the XR stunt fests?

  76. Mother Lode

    Yeah, I know about multi-billionaires’ wokeness.. that’s beyond rational explanation,

    I think a lot of socialists plan to join them. As you mention, they are not motivated by love of the poor and downtrodden and they have no desire to join them. But every one of them imagines that after the revolution they will be in charge, meting out terrible punishments upon all the people they have hated.

    No socialist cheers on the revolution so they can become a street sweeper or be on a production line. No, for them it will be big offices with subservient (and more than slightly intimidated) staff, travel, meetings, and big decisions that will shape the destiny of millions.

    These are very immature and stupid people.

  77. mh

    AOC: Let’s stay in Syria

    Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

    @AOC
    Trump’s sudden withdrawal from northern Syria & endorsement of Turkey’s actions could have catastrophic consequences & risks laying the ground for immense violence and suffering.

    We can pursue a strategy to stop our endless wars without endangering the lives of innocent people.

  78. Who is performing today’s “Welcome to the Blog” ceremony?

  79. Delcon

    Arky
    #3179280, posted on October 9, 2019 at 11:29 am

    by coming here and depositing lefty boiler plate bullshit.

    ..
    And not being an entirely stupid man, you know it is brainless boiler plate bullshit: that is your intent.
    Not a genuine dialog.
    The only question is why you do it

    While I generally just skip over the troll’s posts, so unfortunately I cannot a particular informed opinion on his posts, I suggest that the guy may be a Labor plant.

  80. Delcon

    mh
    #3179285, posted on October 9, 2019 at 11:41 am

    AOC: Let’s stay in Syria

    Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

    @AOC
    Trump’s sudden withdrawal from northern Syria & endorsement of Turkey’s actions could have catastrophic consequences & risks laying the ground for immense violence and suffering.

    We can pursue a strategy to stop our endless wars without endangering the lives of innocent people.

    Well done, President, for your “let’s get our troops out of the way of Erdogan’s” idea.
    You have managed to make AOC, that crazy lunatic of the New Green Deal moonbattery fame, able to come up with a Tweet which is more rational than yours.

  81. Mother Lode

    Just read in the Tele (waiting to get access to the tea area) – it would seem they had an undercover at the Extinction Rebellion Tardopalooza last week.

    It seems people were either Red or Green – prepared to be arrested or not.

  82. Top Ender

    Michelle Guthrie’s ABC exit: new cost revealed

    Taxpayers can add another $233,913 to the $1.3m bill the ABC paid to get rid of Aunty’s former managing director Michelle Guthrie.

    Previously secret documents show the ABC’s external lawyers Minter Ellison were paid $233,913 at the end of January for their work advising then ABC chair Kirstin Ferguson and her boardmates in their legal dispute with Guthrie.

    Readers might remember that the ABC tenure of Guthrie – a one-time Google executive in Singapore – came to an abrupt end in September 2018 when the then ABC chair Justin Milne sacked her for not being, in his and the board’s opinion, up to the job.

    Guthrie then waged an extraordinary unfair dismissal case that claimed she was ousted because of political interference.

    Much was made of the former OzEmail boss Milne’s relationship with the then prime minister Malcolm Turnbull.

    Discussions over email – in one case, after a few red wines – about ABC’s chief economics correspondent Emma Alberici’s reporting also got a thorough airing in the press.

    The ABC didn’t end up settling with Guthrie until March.

    That was after the intervention of investment banker Simon Mordant – a former ABC board member – who helped negotiate an additional $500,000 for Guthrie in return for her future non-disparagement of the public broadcaster and its current and former board members.

    The $500,000 top-up from taxpayers was in addition to the earlier $800,000 that Guthrie was paid after her September dismissal.

    It’s not clear from the documents, which were released after a Freedom of Information request, if Minter Ellison billed the ABC for any more advice after January 30 and before the settlement with Guthrie, which was agreed just before Ita Buttrose began as chair.

    Either way, it was an expensive exercise and one which hasn’t impressed staff at the national broadcaster, who are currently engaged in tense wage negotiations with Guthrie’s successor David Anderson.

    The Oz’s Margin Call

  83. calli

    The only question is why you do it.

    That’s the question I’ve been pondering for a while now.

  84. struth

    The fundamental teachings of the bible are not ontological, nor is that the basis for politics anyway.

    Wrong.

    The fundamental teachings of the bible are the ethics of altruism. The idea that an individual should be sacrificed for something greater than themselves.

    Delusional and ignorant, oh, and
    wrong, very wrong.

    This is best captured in the holiest symbol of Christianity, the crucifix.

    Wrong.

    This moral code in turn leads to all altruistic and left wing movements, from the Kings and Priests of the Dark Ages, to the modern communists and environmentalists.

    Bullshit.

    All view the individual as just a means to an end.
    Whether it be god, state, race, proletariat, nation, environment, whatever, it hardly matters.

    insane jibberish.

    I picked him a while ago.

    He’s consumed by, and yet totally ignorant of Chistianity, has no alternative , just an anarchist.

    Ignorant of what he condemns,……………………………not a clue, and an ahistorical tosser with invalidated tickets on himself.
    A brainwashed child of the education system these days, my guess.
    Offers nothing but arrogant scorn on what he doesn’t understand and learning is beneath him.

  85. dover_beach

    The EU’s response to Johnson’s compromise re Northern Ireland are just incredible. As is Merkel’s insistence that NI remain in the custom’s union. I’d be furious if I were a Brit right now. Incandescent.

  86. Iampeter

    I’m glad, however, that you’ve admitted your inital response was a red herring and that, as I stated, you are in lock-step with the state redefining reality.

    Nothing I’ve said is a “Red Herring” and it’s you who supports the state redifining reality, along with the author of that article.

  87. Dr Faustus

    In Choreographed Dinner news:

    Low turnout expected for Turnbull dinner

    Federal Liberal Vice-President Teena McQueen says “close to 800” people will attend a party tribute dinner for former prime minister Tony Abbott next month whilst another ‘more intimate’ dinner for Malcolm Turnbull “has not warranted that response”.

    “You’re honouring a warrior as opposed to a leader who took the easy way out and I think that’s reflective in the huge response of Mr Abbott’s dinner and a more choreographed dinner for Mr Turnbull.

    You have to wonder at the Liberal Party appetite for self harm that has them even offering a tribute Happy Meal to Turnbull.

  88. Helen

    Well looky here, who is going all politically incorrect on us and drawing it?

    A Prefesser and a Leake bloke

  89. Iampeter

    insane jibberish.

    This is a good description of your posts here, not mine.

  90. dover_beach

    IamMengele believes that Christianity sidelined Greek thought when, in fact, the historical evidence shows the opposite. Confronted with the evidence he doubles-down and moves along.

  91. calli

    Meanwhile, the supermarkets up here look like something from a pre-apocalyptic frenzy. The shelves have been plundered. I managed to scrounge a bit of this and that from the bottom of the freezers.

    Can all the tourists please go home now? Ta.

  92. Helen

    That would be Leak – gad I must be the worst speller on the cat!

  93. Top Ender

    Who is performing today’s “Welcome to the Blog” ceremony?

    My new company did it this morning at 0001 hours.

    If people are going to complain about missing it then I’ll have to get my chaps to do it again.

    That will another $5k thanks.

    Ker-ching!

  94. Iampeter

    Confronted with the evidence he doubles-down and moves along.

    This is a good description many here, including you, not me though.
    Sad projection.

  95. dover_beach

    IamMengele, I was shifting a bag of rocks earlier. You came to mind.

  96. thefrollickingmole

    People are still engaging with the smug cloud iampenis?

    The link above to Orwell described his writing well.
    Turgid.

    Dense inscrutable rubbish, very much a hollow vessel, all noise no substance.

    It declines debate but makes pronouncements of received wisdom with no basis in anything other than the purity of its own self as a frame of reference.

  97. Steve trickler

    You wont see this on the TV.

    Catching up with Bald’s clips from India. 2018.



  98. Delcon

    Yeah, Iampeter, what do you believe in?
    We know it’s not religion, conservatism or Marxism.
    What is it, then?

  99. RobK

    Hz,
    Is this person being rational?
    Mostly.
    CO2 does absorb heat of a narrow bandwidth very well, and re-radiates it in all directions, including down to earth. The 40 figure is ok in the lab.
    However, the heat radiated upwards from earth only has a small amount of its energy represented in the narrow band that CO2 is active in (in and out ). A small amount of CO2 absorbs almost all the heat in that bandwidth and contributes a little bit to stop the earth from freezing over, along with the major role of water, which shifts heat all over the place in massive amounts.
    The irrational part of the quote is that it overlooks the fact that doubling the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere doesn’t double its effect in re-radiating heat back to earth because the atmosphere is effectively already saturated with CO2 with respect to the narrow band of its absorbtion. Doubling the CO2 concentration won’t impact heat flow very much, especially since the band that CO2 radiates partially over laps the much broader band that water absorbs and the quality of water in the atmosphere is far greater than CO2.
    I hope that helps.

  100. Infidel Tiger

    Do you believe in love 1mmpeter?

  101. Iampeter

    IamMengele, I was shifting a bag of rocks earlier. You came to mind.

    Then for a brief moment your mind was filled with more than the wind whistling through your ears.
    You’re welcome. I guess.

    Yeah, Iampeter, what do you believe in?
    We know it’s not religion, conservatism or Marxism.
    What is it, then?

    I love how it’s inconceivable that there might be other ideas than just different types of mysticism and collectivism.
    I believe in individual rights, rights-protecting government and capitalism.
    These concepts have no basis in religion, can only be understood and supported with reason, and represent the proper “right wing” position in politics.

  102. mh

    Yeah, Iampeter, what do you believe in?

    Moloch.

  103. Delcon

    dover_beach
    #3179320, posted on October 9, 2019 at 12:11 pm

    Delcon, no

    &#128512
    It was not an invitation to articulate his whole philosophy, but just a couple of “ism” which he finds acceptable, apart, I suppose, from narcissism.

  104. Iampeter

    Do you believe in love 1mmpeter?

    I did.
    But the cat has made me into a misanthrope.

  105. Infidel Tiger

    Ryan Saavedra

    Verified account

    @RealSaavedra
    2h2 hours ago
    More
    BREAKING: CNN reports that former South Carolina Republican Representative Trey Gowdy has accepted an offer to serve as outside counsel to President Donald Trump

    Interesting.

  106. mh

    Iampeter, can a J ew be a capitalist?

  107. RobK

    and the quality of water in the atmosphere is far greater than CO2.
    Should be:
    and the quantity of water in the atmosphere is far greater than CO2.
    Don’t know what happened there.

  108. Iampeter

    It was not an invitation to articulate his whole philosophy, but just a couple of “ism” which he finds acceptable, apart, I suppose, from narcissism.

    Cat posters don’t like these kind of discussions.
    They very quickly expose the superficiality and child-like level of their “understanding” of things. It ruins the LARPing for them.
    When I’m not on my phone I can link some example hilarities.
    This is why they mostly stick to smothered hostility, sniping and sad attempts at trolling.

  109. Dr Faustus

    In Bum Twitching Like a Rabbit’s Nose news:

    Labor frontbencher Joel Fitzgibbon wants his party to adopt the Coalition’s climate policies

    In a speech to be delivered tonight, Labor’s agriculture and resources spokesman will say Australians are “inherently conservative” and the Opposition should consider a less ambitious climate plan.

    “Labor needs to reach a sensible settlement on climate change,” a copy of his speech states.

    “How many times are we going to let it kill us? Indeed, how many leaders do we want to lose to it?”

    At May’s election, his first-preference vote fell more than 14 per cent, with One Nation attracting more than 21 per cent of votes.

    Electoral Advice: Joel, mate, pull it back in toot sweet. The ABC are fukn Greens and are not going to support this one, whether you’re a Labor ‘leader’, or not.

  110. Delcon

    I believe in individual rights, rights-protecting government and capitalism.
    These concepts have no basis in religion, can only be understood and supported with reason, and represent the proper “right wing” position in politics.

    Generally, these beliefs could be perfectly consistent with conservative values.
    These beliefs, by the way, do have basis in the Bible, which is the first document which systematically sets out certain moral codes, which include individual rights.
    Also, which “individual rights” specifically do you believe in?

  111. Infidel Tiger

    I believe in individual rights, rights-protecting government and capitalism.

    Can you define all three?

  112. Arky

    I believe in individual rights

    ..
    I do not.
    Because I am conservative.
    I believe in duty and responsibilities.
    Without those your “rights” do not exist.

  113. Knuckle Dragger

    mh, 11.41;

    ‘endangering the lives of innocent people’

    If the bar chicky AOC could name one innocent (adult) person in Syria it would be appreciated.

    This is now a local issue, and it’s not a new one.

  114. Knuckle Dragger

    You don’t just ‘get’ rights, Iammanbun.

    Rights come with responsibilities, and they are earned.

    Sometimes by others on your behalf. They don’t just turn up in the mail.

  115. cohenite

    The trolls here are pathetic; I get better at Quora.

  116. struth

    I believe in individual rights

    Of course you do, if you were brought up in a Christian society, which you obviously were.
    You wouldn’t sat that coming from a moooooooosie culture.

    It is nothing but pure arrogance and ignorance to believe you are not the sum of what influenced you though your life, to a degree, and recognise what those influences were and are.
    You might try a little humility and respect for what came before.
    Wisdom was about way before you were shitting your nappies, Iamarrogance.

    To not understand the world you are in, and more importantly, how it came to be, is why we believe you are either young or a bad left wing troll.
    Or both.
    Either way, you’re lack of knowledge and inability to comprehend means you should seriously think of getting your hand off it.

  117. Mother Lode

    I just read that the judge at the trial of Amber Guyger in Dallas, Tammy Kemp, also hugged her and gave her a Bible.

    Naturally activists are outraged…sorry, I have to tap the keys with more emphasis…outraged, questioning whether the judge (who is black) would have done the same for a black defendant.

  118. Mother Lode

    Low turnout expected for Turnbull dinner

    I can’t imagine anyone turning up to toast that fathead who isn’t rather low.

    I wonder if Photios will turn up? Or if he has just cast Trumble aside while he plots and schemes in his subterranean lair?

  119. Iampeter

    Can you define all three?

    You know I can. We’ve had this conversation before.
    The truth is that YOU can’t. But you don’t let that stop you from opining on politics with the tone of an expert. And condescending to those exposing you.

    I believe in duty and responsibilities.
    Without those your “rights” do not exist.

    Rights are your freedom to think and act in a social context. They do not come with strings attached, like your equally misunderstood concepts of “duty” and “responsibility.”
    Rights are the basis for freedom, not some word game for you to justify your particular flavour of leftism and authoritarianism.
    This is exactly why I refer to conservatives as the politically illiterate arm of the left wing.

    You don’t even hear what you’re saying and don’t understand where it leads.

  120. 1735099

    Rights come with responsibilities, and they are earned.

    Interesting concept.
    How does an unborn child earn his/her rights?

  121. Infidel Tiger

    You know I can. We’ve had this conversation before.
    The truth is that YOU can’t.

    I want you to teach me.

    Then I can teach you to love again.

  122. Dr Beaugan:
    The $Z100,000,000,000 cap has arrived!
    Ta muchly. I shall wear it to the next cat do.

  123. John Constantine

    RobK on regenerative farming.

    Once roundup and paraquat are banned as knockdowns, that will push the peasants into organic regenerative farming for bespoke produce.

    The full intention is to move to State supplied industrial food rations of chemically enhanced yeast and mildew for the proles.

    Soma, Comrades.

  124. RobK

    How does an unborn child earn his/her rights?
    Zygotes are the result of a very competitive selection process and a lashing of luck.

  125. max

    Quite a few Catholics have been appalled at the synod’s strange mixture of changes to the priesthood and roles of women with ecological concerns – and openings to pagan superstitions. And rightly so.

    Bizarre. Also frightening.

  126. RobK

    John,
    Glyphosate was mentioned in the carrot-and-stick day. IIRC it was said the EU is likely to ban it from 2023(?) and this would have severe implications on our exports.

  127. ZK2A:

    At least four other Australian women have also given birth at the camp in the past six months, and one of the newborns has already contracted bronchial pneumonia, according to one family member.

    Sounds like a shithole – the parents should go and get them and take them to a hospital.

  128. hzhousewife

    RobK, that helps a lot, thank you very much.

  129. dover_beach

    Rights are your freedom to think and act in a social context. They do not come with strings attached,

    The string is the qualifier ‘in a social context’. That is qualifying whatever is meant by ‘freedom to think or act’.

  130. John Constantine

    The removal of the buffalo of the Great Plains ended the Indian Wars.

    The removal of cheap effective knockdowns and zero/min tillage chemicals will clear the australian peasants from marginal area cropping farms.

    Fully intended.

    Comrades

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/sep/04/germany-ban-glyphosate-weedkiller-by-2023

    Germany has said it will phase out the controversial weedkiller glyphosate because it wipes out insect populations crucial for ecosystems and pollination of food crops.

    The chemical, also suspected by some experts to cause cancer in humans, is to be banned by the end of 2023 when the EU’s approval period for it expires, ministers said.

  131. miltonf

    After wrecking Rhodesia and South Africa I’m pretty sure the UN has it’s eye on us.

  132. Mother Lode

    Then I can teach you to love again.

    Eeeeeeeew!

  133. Roger

    The fundamental teachings of the bible are not ontological, nor is that the basis for politics anyway.
    The fundamental teachings of the bible are the ethics of altruism.

    Biblical ethics is grounded in ontology.

    There’s nothing else for it but to be blunt:

    Peter, you are deeply ignorant about these matters on which you seek to pontificate.

    Go and get a proper education.

  134. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘How does an unborn child earn his/her rights?’

    If you’d kept reading, Liability Bob, I said sometimes others earn them on your behalf.

    You must have been inspecting the roof of the house you bought with your five figure windfall when your offspring, 8th Son was reading it to you.

  135. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘one of the newborns has already contracted bronchial pneumonia’ said a family member, who along with the mother is completely responsible for this lamentable state of affairs.

    Much like an XR muppet who voluntarily glues itself to a road, then blames gummint for making it miss the Masked Singer.

  136. Iampeter

    The string is the qualifier ‘in a social context’. That is qualifying whatever is meant by ‘freedom to think or act’.

    No, “in a social context” means “among other people,” as opposed to alone on a desert island where the issue of rights would not come up. There are no strings involved as that would be a self contradiction.
    Politics is not a circular argument whereby you misuse concepts like “freedom” and “rights” to justify violating peoples rights and freedoms.
    All you do is engage in logical fallacies, dover.
    Pretty obvious ones too.

  137. Percy Popinjay

    “in a social context” means “among other people,” as opposed to alone on a desert island where the issue of rights would not come up

    Shallow as a carpark puddle. You really are an appalling, pretentious narcissistic ignoramus.

  138. Nick

    Melbourne race 2 coming up ‘Cuban toonite’ is running

  139. Knuckle Dragger

    Lots of people now and in the past have gone to great lengths, often to their own personal detriment to ensure you have the rights you seem to believe are free, Iamwordsalad.

    You’re showing your youth. If you’re not young, you’ve just outed yourself as another Liability Bob – just without the MX5 and diversity quilt.

  140. dover_beach

    No, “in a social context” means “among other people,” as opposed to alone on a desert island where the issue of rights would not come up. There are no strings involved as that would be a self contradiction.

    Dear oh dear, ‘rights’ don’t come up when your alone because you are free to think and act without qualification, i.e. shoot into the distance without fear of killing or injuring someone. However, when you are ‘among other people’ you cannot shoot as you would alone in the world. Therefore, your freedom to think and act is qualified by living “in a social context”. You are the worst reasoner this site has ever witnessed.

  141. feelthebern

    We are not being told the whole story about Darren Weir.
    If only there was a real journalist who could get to the bottom of what really happened.

  142. Shy Ted

    Nest, next, just a spelling mistake. Watch out, numbers, you’ll be telling us you’re doing a DhP next. Or is is DhP nest?

  143. Roger

    Interesting that Ita Buttrose should make her comment about employment quotas at the ABC just when ABC staff are in “tense” negotiations for a pay rise.

  144. Infidel Tiger

    We are not being told the whole story about Darren Weir.
    If only there was a real journalist who could get to the bottom of what really happened.

    You’re allowed to cheat, but not that much.

    Don’t piss everyone off.

  145. mh

    Hillary putting it out there

    Hillary said, “You know, it truly is remarkable how obsessed he remains with me. But this latest tweet is so typical of him. Nothing has been more examined and looked at than my emails. We all know that. So, he’s either lying or delusional, or both. There was no subpoena, as he says in a tweet this morning. So, maybe there does need to be a rematch. I mean, obviously, I can beat him again.

  146. Shy Ted

    Low turnout expected for Turnbull dinner. Lucy will probably go. Tim Wilson a maybe.

  147. Arky

    justify violating peoples rights and freedoms.

    ..
    Rights and freedoms don’t exist, so can’t be violated.
    If you work hard, fulfil your responsibilities then things will probably be OK.
    Or not.
    But if not, at least you fulfilled your end, which is the best that can be hoped for.
    The worst thing you can do for anyone is to explain their “rights” to them. An act of bastardry.
    The most loving thing you can do for someone is to give them responsibility.
    The modern progressive left, of which you and all other libertarian types are an intergral part, have stripped away meaning and dignity with your human rights prattle.

  148. Iampeter

    Biblical ethics is grounded in ontology.

    No ethics is grounded in ontology.
    Ethics is derived from epistemology, which in turn is derived from your metaphysics, of which ontology is a branch.
    Politics, in turn, is derived from ethics.
    That’s why I focussed on the ethical teachings of the bible.
    But all branches are important because they are all connected and therein lies the problem for religious people.
    Religion gives you an irrational metaphysics and epistemology (mysticism and extra sensory knowledge), which in turn leads to an irrational ethics (altruism), which in turn leads to irrational politics (collectivism).
    Collectivist politics includes everything from the Christian Church through to Marxism and Environmentalism.
    This is why religious conservatives can’t oppose the left, they ARE the left.

    Peter, you are deeply ignorant about these matters on which you seek to pontificate.
    Go and get a proper education.

    This is just sad projection.

  149. Delcon

    Iampeter
    #3179332, posted on October 9, 2019 at 12:21 pm

    It was not an invitation to articulate his whole philosophy, but just a couple of “ism” which he finds acceptable, apart, I suppose, from narcissism.

    Cat posters don’t like these kind of discussions.

    I have tried to get you to articulate your belief system, as you seem to attack just about every belief system held by posters here (such as Christianity, conservatism, and, though it is not commonly held by posters, also Leftism in its various branches, such as Marxism).
    You can do so either by articulate your beliefs *specifically* (as opposed to some generic motherhood statements which can mean anything and nothing), or by referring to some common terminology such as “conservatism”/”libertarianis”/”socialism” etc.
    Just curious about the belief system of someone like you, who seems very happy to snipe, without much argument, at others’ beliefs.
    So far I am not sure you have gave specific-enough details to be able to peg your beliefs.

    To me (and you may disagree, as this is based on intuition only), your belief that Cardinal Pell is guilty of the ridiculously-implausible allegations levelled against him suggests that you are a militant atheist and/or a statist.

    I’d go out on a limb and say that you, just like *anyone* familiar with said allegations who accepts them, *must* be a Leftist. Argue with this terminology until the cows come home. You must be a Leftist by any interpretation acceptable to all posters in this blog except yourself.

  150. Old School Conservative

    You are a young bloke trying to earn a Wallaby jumper.
    After a couple of false starts due to injury, you make a 40 minute appearance at the Rugby World Cup. Youngest Australian ever to do so, aged 18.
    Get selected for the next match and if all goes well may get a start in one of the biggest stages of all, a 1/4 final against England.

    Then the shit hits the fan in Australia.
    Your mum infiltrated Israel Folau’s church under a fake name and address. Kept probing the 20 year old Josiah Folau by email for details about Christian beliefs and attitude to suing people for money. Keeps press informed. (Part of the correspondence was later leaked to Nine newspapers, triggering Josiah’s dismissal from this job as a boarding house supervisor at St Gregory’s College, a Catholic private school at Campbelltown in southwest Sydney.)

    Herald Sun publishes all of Mum’s correspondence with Josiah.

    Way to go Mum. Thanks for all your support. Lying to a Church and getting a bloke sacked will really endear me to the Australian rugby supporting public.

  151. Roger

    No ethics is grounded in ontology.

    Allow the Bible to speak for itself.

    Consider the Ten Commandments.

    Which come first?

    The first table has regard to our duties to God, the second table our duties to a fellow human beings.

    Every sin against a commandment in the second table is first of all a sin against God, not heeding His existence and holy will.

    Further to this, salvation in Christianity is not predicated on ethical endeavour but on faith.

    Without faith nobody can please God.

    Disagree with this if you like, but you have no grounds to assert otherwise.

  152. Farmer Gez

    Charges against the former trainer include conspiracy to defraud Racing Victoria stewards, three counts of engaging in torturing, abusing, overworking a thoroughbred race horse, three counts of causing unreasonable pain or suffering to a race horse, possessing an unregistered fire arm and using a controlled weapon without excuse.

    Torturing!
    Give me a break. With a AAA cell battery jigger?
    As for overworking you could lay the same charge against the late Cups King Bart Cummings. He was well known for working horses hard coming up to big races.

  153. Delcon

    Shy Ted
    #3179409, posted on October 9, 2019 at 1:44 pm

    Low turnout expected for Turnbull dinner. Lucy will probably go. Tim Wilson a maybe.

    Good idea for the Liberals to hold a dinner in honour of Turnbull.
    They can be (fairly) sure this way that there will be at least two hours straight when Turnbull will not snipe at them, doing his best to destroy them and their chances of winning the next election.

  154. Tel

    You are the worst reasoner this site has ever witnessed.

    There is no reasoning behind it. All you see is bits and pieces from various Randian blogs, reproduced without any understanding. Every so often a reset happens and the same crap comes back out: Christian = Marxist; Everyone-but-me = Leftist; Me-smart; You-dumb; waffle waffle.

    Then you ask for an explanation, get gibberish … on any specific point he gets it wrong so he avoids points where it’s easy to check (e.g. simple concepts like interest rates) … then you go round in a loop back to the start again.

    It was only entertaining for a short while … now it’s just spam on the main open thread wasting the time of all of you. The purpose is a lame attempt to create confusion and discord … nothing more than that.

    Can’t be a Griggs character because even Griggs had some creativity and would have moved to something else by now. This thing is lower intelligence than Numbers and twice as stubborn. I doubt there is even any serious attempt at comprehension … possibly it’s an experiment in scripted non-comprehension.

  155. Arky

    The most joy filled times in your life will be when you take on new responsibilities:
    A new born child.
    A job.
    Getting your driver’s licence.
    Marriage.
    Even caring for a dying person.
    The most awful times of your life will be when someone advises you of your “rights”.
    What underlying motive do those who want you to embrace rights and ignore responsibilities have? Are these people really on your side?

  156. Knuckle Dragger

    Iampudenda, 1.47;

    Ontology.
    Epistemology.
    Metaphysics.
    Mysticism.
    Altruism.
    Collectivism.
    Marxism.
    Environmentalism.

    Seriously. You’ve got a bet running with one of the other pigeon feeders in the park, haven’t you?

  157. thefrollickingmole

    In the annals of stupid this would rank pretty high.

    Paris police attacker had top secret security clearance

    Mickaël Harpon, who stabbed three police officers and a woman civil servant to death before he was killed at Paris police headquarters on October 3rd, was a radical Islamist with a top secret security clearance and access to all computers in the police prefecture’s directorate of intelligence, known as the DRPP.

    The DRPP is responsible for the surveillance of suspected radical Islannnnnts. Yet Harpon continued to work there, even as he showed signs of radicalisation.

    Senator Christian Cambon, head of the parliamentary committee on intelligence which will question Mr Castaner on Tuesday, said Harpon had access to the names and home addresses of all police agents. “It is frightful to imagine what he may have done with such sensitive information,” Mr Cambon said.

    Police found USB sticks with data on dozens of police officers, as well as Ismmmmmmmic State propaganda videos, in Harpon’s apartment, France 2 television reported on Monday night.

    At least they can legitimately claim he was the quiet type..
    Harpon, a West Indian, aged 45, was a deaf mute computer technician.

    RTWT, its a monument to political correctness over common sense.

  158. Iampeter

    Therefore, your freedom to think and act is qualified by living “in a social context”. You are the worst reasoner this site has ever witnessed.

    LOL. You really don’t get it.
    Rights describe freedoms an individual has in a social context, not permissions an individual is granted by society. That would be total leftism and a self contradiction.
    Rights are the basis for freedom in the form of a rights-protecting government, not the justification for violating rights. That would be your typical circular argument.
    You are such a total leftist that the alternative, individualism, is just incomprehensible to you.

    You are the worst reasoner this site has ever witnessed.

    I was going to say stop projecting but it’s hard to say if you are the worst. You have a lot of competition.

    Rights and freedoms don’t exist, so can’t be violated.

    Then you are a leftist.

  159. Iampeter

    I did say if you tried discussing politics you’d sound like a teenage Marxist and you didn’t disappoint, arky.

  160. Infidel Tiger

    This is bizarre.

    Is the Folau Church whistleblower Helen Petaia the same Helen Petaia who claimed bullying at the ATO?:

    https://www.themorningbulletin.com.au/news/whistleblowers-air-explosive-allegations-against-a/3383112/

    Wouldn’t be too many Helen Petaias.

    Methinks she may be off her bonce.

  161. thefrollickingmole

    First try Insincerated

    In the annals of stupid this would rank pretty high.

    Paris police attacker had top secret security clearance

    Mickaël Harpon, who stabbed three police officers and a woman civil servant to death before he was killed at Paris police headquarters on October 3rd, was a radical I with a top secret security clearance and access to all computers in the police prefecture’s directorate of intelligence, known as the DRPP.

    The DRPP is responsible for the surveillance of suspected radical I. Yet Harpon continued to work there, even as he showed signs of radicalisation.

    Senator Christian Cambon, head of the parliamentary committee on intelligence which will question Mr Castaner on Tuesday, said Harpon had access to the names and home addresses of all police agents. “It is frightful to imagine what he may have done with such sensitive information,” Mr Cambon said.

    Police found USB sticks with data on dozens of police officers, as well as I State propaganda videos, in Harpon’s apartment, France 2 television reported on Monday night.

    At least they can legitimately claim he was the quiet type..
    Harpon, a West Indian, aged 45, was a deaf mute computer technician.

    RTWT, its a monument to political correctness over common sense.

  162. Percy Popinjay

    Can’t be a Griggs character because even Griggs had some creativity

    Especially when using google translate and/or shopping for bottles of piss at Aldi.

  163. Iampeter

    Me-smart; You-dumb; waffle waffle.

    You guys are eating a real chunk out of the projection budget. Almost every post.
    I’m sure if you had arguments that weren’t begging the question or self contradictions you’d use them instead…But then if you guys had any actual sense you just wouldn’t be on right wing political blogs trying to imitate political discussions in the first place.

  164. dover_beach

    No ethics is grounded in ontology.

    Except Plato’s, Aristotle’s, and so on, for millenia.

  165. Arky

    “Rights” are a left wing thing. Always have been.
    The English Bill of Rights (1689), by the leftist Whigs.
    French Declaration on the Rights of Man and Citizen (1789) a product of the definitive left wing event- the French revolution. This is where the terms “left’ and “right” emerged.
    And Finally the UN conventions on human rights, the UN being the largest left wing organisation outside Beijing.
    All lefties, like you.

  166. Arky

    And all motivated by the same thing as you: sow discord and erode civil society.
    Turds one and all.

  167. Mother Lode

    doing a DhP

    A DhP is ‘Dhimmi Posturing’, isn’t it?

    Would explain why he thinks it so urgent that large numbers of self-selected floor-butters of the prophet who don’t dare tell their real story be allowed to flood in on boats.

  168. Huh? Numbers, the bloke who revealed himself to be utterly clueless in his statements on 457 visa “exploitation” in Maccas & Kentucky Friend Chicken, has charged – like a blind Rhino – into the “asylum seekers arrive by air” genre.

    Is there enough popcorn in Australia for this train wreck he’s about to have?

  169. Tom

    It reads to me like another Pell stitch-up: after eight months’ investigation, Vicplod had nothing on Darren Weir, so plod’s animal rights activists began inventing charges.
    Herald Sun (paywalled):

    Former champion trainer Darren Weir has been charged by Victoria Police over alleged animal cruelty and conspiracy offences.
    Weir, 49, was today issued with nine charges which included “conspiracy to defraud Racing Victoria Limited stewards” and “engaging in the torturing, abusing, overworking and terrifying” of a horse.
    Three other men were also charged, including a 39-year-old Yangery man, a 27-year-old Warrnambool man and a 31-year-old Warrnambool man.
    All four will appear at Melbourne Magistrates Court on 23 October.
    Weir has been under investigation by police since three electronic jiggers — devices used to electronically shock horses — were found in a bedroom of his Ballarat home in January.
    Weir and two other men — fellow trainer Jarrod McLean and former Weir employee Tyson Kermond — were arrested and released without charge following the January 29 raids.
    The Herald Sun understands the alleged case against Weir and others will start with filing hearing at Melbourne Magistrates Court on October 23.
    Weir was disqualified for four years by Racing Victoria in February.
    Weir virtually walked away from racing as his training empire — one of the biggest of the world — crumbled.
    He was banned the following week and his vast network of stables were sold off within days as a host of champion horses shifted to new trainers.
    The Melbourne Cup-winning handler has been interviewed at length by police investigating allegations relating to the corruption of races and animal cruelty.
    The raids were part of an investigation which had been underway since August, 2018.
    Properties connected to Weir in Warrnambool were also raided.
    Another jigger was allegedly found at a location used by Weir’s former assistant trainer Jarrod McLean.
    McLean and Kermond were arrested and interviewed before being released without charge.
    McLean is still in the process of answering charges over a jigger found at a Yangery property, near Warrnambool.
    Police have since interviewed Weir and his former associations on multiple occasions.
    Photographic evidence is believed to have been presented to Weir during the course of those interviews amid suggestions horses had been hit with the jiggers while exercising on treadmills.
    The Herald Sun believes cameras were secretly planted in Weir’s Ballarat stables.
    Images from those cameras are known to be central to the police case against Weir.
    Victoria Police’s Sporting Integrity Intelligence unit has interviewed Weir and McLean on several occasions, following multiple lines of inquiry.
    The unit is probing activity including obtaining financial advantage by deception and engaging in conduct that corrupts or would corrupt a betting outcome of an event or event contingency.
    Police are believed to have used recording devices such as cameras and phone taps during the investigation.
    Several races from last year are under scrutiny.
    The Mackinnon Stakes and Grand National Hurdle, which were won by McLean-trained Trap For Fools and Cougar Express, respectively, are also known to have drawn the attention of authorities.
    The Sandown Cup, won by Weir-trained Yogi, is another race under the microscope.

  170. dover_beach

    Rights describe freedoms an individual has in a social context,…

    In other words, rights are freedoms to think or act qualified by human beings living in a social context.

  171. Mother Lode

    Personally I always expected that ethics related to teleology – otherwise they are just manners.

  172. Knuckle Dragger

    Iampudenda is soooooo dumb!

    Crowd: ‘How dumb is he?’

    He’s misconstrued Marxist existentialism and it’s metaphysical application to altruism with the epistemological collectivist construct of individualist mysticism!

    Crowd: *roars with laughter*

  173. Tom

    It reads to me like another P**l stitch-up: after eight months’ investigation, Vicplod had nothing on Darren Weir, so plod’s animal rights activists began inventing charges.
    Herald Sun (paywalled):

    Former champion trainer Darren Weir has been charged by Victoria Police over alleged animal cruelty and conspiracy offences.
    Weir, 49, was today issued with nine charges which included “conspiracy to defraud Racing Victoria Limited stewards” and “engaging in the torturing, abusing, overworking and terrifying” of a horse.
    Three other men were also charged, including a 39-year-old Yangery man, a 27-year-old Warrnambool man and a 31-year-old Warrnambool man.
    All four will appear at Melbourne Magistrates Court on 23 October.
    Weir has been under investigation by police since three electronic jiggers — devices used to electronically shock horses — were found in a bedroom of his Ballarat home in January.
    Weir and two other men — fellow trainer Jarrod McLean and former Weir employee Tyson Kermond — were arrested and released without charge following the January 29 raids.
    The Herald Sun understands the alleged case against Weir and others will start with filing hearing at Melbourne Magistrates Court on October 23.
    Weir was disqualified for four years by Racing Victoria in February.
    Weir virtually walked away from racing as his training empire — one of the biggest of the world — crumbled.
    He was banned the following week and his vast network of stables were sold off within days as a host of champion horses shifted to new trainers.
    The Melbourne Cup-winning handler has been interviewed at length by police investigating allegations relating to the corruption of races and animal cruelty.
    The raids were part of an investigation which had been underway since August, 2018.
    Properties connected to Weir in Warrnambool were also raided.
    Another jigger was allegedly found at a location used by Weir’s former assistant trainer Jarrod McLean.
    McLean and Kermond were arrested and interviewed before being released without charge.
    McLean is still in the process of answering charges over a jigger found at a Yangery property, near Warrnambool.
    Police have since interviewed Weir and his former associations on multiple occasions.
    Photographic evidence is believed to have been presented to Weir during the course of those interviews amid suggestions horses had been hit with the jiggers while exercising on treadmills.
    The Herald Sun believes cameras were secretly planted in Weir’s Ballarat stables.
    Images from those cameras are known to be central to the police case against Weir.
    Victoria Police’s Sporting Integrity Intelligence unit has interviewed Weir and McLean on several occasions, following multiple lines of inquiry.
    The unit is probing activity including obtaining financial advantage by deception and engaging in conduct that corrupts or would corrupt a betting outcome of an event or event contingency.
    Police are believed to have used recording devices such as cameras and phone taps during the investigation.
    Several races from last year are under scrutiny.
    The Mackinnon Stakes and Grand National Hurdle, which were won by McLean-trained Trap For Fools and Cougar Express, respectively, are also known to have drawn the attention of authorities.
    The Sandown Cup, won by Weir-trained Yogi, is another race under the microscope.

  174. Tom

    It reads to me like another P**l stitch-up: after eight months’ investigation, Vicplod had nothing on Darren Weir, so Fatty Ashton’s animal rights activists began inventing charges.
    Herald Sun (paywalled):

    Weir, 49, was today issued with nine charges which included “conspiracy to defraud Racing Victoria Limited stewards” and “engaging in the torturing, abusing, overworking and terrifying” of a horse.

  175. Arky

    Lefties always bang on about rights:

    ..
    Article 39. Citizens of the USSR enjoy in full the social, economic, political and personal rights and freedoms proclaimed and guaranteed by the Constitution of the USSR and by Soviet laws. The socialist system ensures enlargement of the rights and freedoms of citizens and continuous improvement of their living standards as social, economic, and cultural development programmes are fulfilled.

    Enjoyment by citizens of their rights and freedoms must not be to the detriment of the interests of society or the state, or infringe the rights of other citizens.
    Article 40. Citizens of the USSR have the right to work (that is, to guaranteed employment and pay in accordance wit the quantity and quality of their work, and not below the state-established minimum), including the right to choose their trade or profession, type of job and work in accordance with their inclinations, abilities, training and education, with due account of the needs of society.

    This right is ensured by the socialist economic system, steady growth of the productive forces, free vocational and professional training, improvement of skills, training in new trades or professions, and development of the systems of vocational guidance and job placement.
    Article 41. Citizens of the USSR have the right to rest and leisure.

    This right is ensured by the establishment of a working week not exceeding 41 hours, for workers and other employees, a shorter working day in a number of trades and industries, and shorter hours for night work; by the provision of paid annual holidays, weekly days of rest, extension of the network of cultural, educational, and health-building institutions, and the development on a mass scale of sport, physical culture, and camping and tourism; by the provision of neighborhood recreational facilities, and of other opportunities for rational use of free time.
    The length of collective farmers’ working and leisure time is established by their collective farms.
    Article 42. Citizens of the USSR have the right to health protection.

    This right is ensured by free, qualified medical care provided by state health institutions; by extension of the network of therapeutic and health-building institutions; by the development and improvement of safety and hygiene in industry; by carrying out broad prophylactic measures; by measures to improve the environment; by special care for the health of the rising generation, including prohibition of child labour, excluding the work done by children as part of the school curriculum; and by developing research to prevent and reduce the incidence of disease and ensure citizens a long and active life.
    Article 43. Citizens of the USSR have the right to maintenance in old age, in sickness, and in the event of complete or partial disability or loss of the breadwinner.

    The right is guaranteed by social insurance of workers and other employees and collective farmers; by allowances for temporary disability; by the provision by the state or by collective farms of retirement pensions, disability pensions, and pensions for loss of the breadwinner; by providing employment for the partially disabled; by care for the elderly and the disabled; and by other forms of social security.
    Article 44. Citizens of the USSR have the rights to housing.

    This right is ensured by the development and upkeep of state and socially-owned housing; by assistance for co-operative and individual house building; by fair distribution, under public control, of the housing that becomes available through fulfilment of the programme of building well-appointed dwellings, and by low rents and low charges for utility services. Citizens of the USSR shall take good care of the housing allocated to them.
    Article 45. Citizens of the USSR have the right to education.

    This right is ensured by free provision of all forms of education, by the institution of universal, compulsory secondary education, and broad development of vocational, specialised secondary, and higher education, in which instruction is oriented toward practical activity and production; by the development of extramural, correspondence and evening courses, by the provision of state scholarships and grants and privileges for students; by the free issue of school textbooks; by the opportunity to attend a school where teaching is in the native language; and by the provision of facilities for self-education.
    Article 46. Citizens of the USSR have the right to enjoy cultural benefits.

    This rights is ensured by broad access to the cultural treasures of their own land and of the world that are preserved in state and other public collections; by the development and fair distribution of cultural and educational institutions throughout the country; by developing television and radio broadcasting and the publishing of books, newspapers and periodicals, and by extending the free library service; and by expanding cultural exchanges with other countries.
    Article 47. Citizens of the USSR, in accordance with the aims of building communism, are guaranteed freedom of scientific, technical, and artistic work. This freedom is ensured by broadening scientific research, encouraging invention and innovation, and developing literature and the arts. THe state provides the necessary material conditions for this and support for voluntary societies and unions of workers in the arts, organises introduction of inventions and innovations in production and other spheres of activity.

    The rights of authors, inventors and innovators are protected by the state.
    Article 48. Citizens of the USSR have the right to take part in the management and administration of state and public affairs and in the discussion and adoption of laws and measures of All-Union and local significance.

    This right is ensured by the opportunity to vote and to be elected to Soviets of People’s Deputies and other elective state bodies, to take part in nationwide discussions and referendums, in people’s control, in the work of state bodies, public organisations, and local community groups, and in meetings at places of work or residence.
    Article 49. Every citizen of the USSR has the right to submit proposals to state bodies and public organisations for improving their activity, and to criticise shortcomings in their work.

    Officials are obliged, within established time-limits, to examine citizens’ proposals and requests, to reply to them, and to take appropriate action.
    Persecution for criticism is prohibited. Persons guilty of such persecution shall be called to account.
    Article 50. In accordance with the interests of the people and in order to strengthen and develop the socialist system, citizens of the USSR are guaranteed freedom of speech, of the press, and of assembly, meetings, street processions and demonstrations.

    Exercise of these political freedoms is ensured by putting public buildings, streets and squares at the disposal of the working people and their organisations, by broad dissemination of information, and by the opportunity to use the press, television, and radio.
    Article 51. In accordance with the aims of building communism, citizens of the USSR have the right to associate in public organisations that promote their political activity and initiative and satisfaction of their various interests.

    Public organisations are guaranteed conditions for successfully performing the functions defined in their rules.
    Article 52. Citizens of the USSR are guaranteed freedom of conscience, that is, the right to profess or not to profess any religion, and to conduct religious worship or atheistic propaganda. Incitement of hostility or hatred on religious grounds is prohibited.

    In the USSR, the church is separated from the state, and the school from the church.
    Article 53. The family enjoys the protection of the state.

    Marriage is based on the free consent of the woman and the man; the spouses are completely equal in their family relations.
    The state helps the family by providing and developing a broad system of childcare institutions, by organising and improving communal services and public catering, by paying grants on the birth of a child, by providing children’s allowances and benefits for large families, and other forms of family allowances and assistance.
    Article 54. Citizens of the USSR are guaranteed inviolability of the person. No one may be arrested except by a court decision or on the warrant of a procurator.

    Article 55. Citizens of the USSR are guaranteed inviolability of the home. No one may, without lawful grounds, enter a home against the will of those residing in it.

    Article 56. The privacy of citizens, and of their correspondence, telephone conversations, and telegraphic communications is protected by law.

    Article 57. Respect for the individual and protection of the rights and freedoms of citizens are the duty of all state bodies, public organisations, and officials.

    Citizens of the USSR have the right to protection by the courts against encroachments on their honour and reputation, life and health, and personal freedom and property.
    Article 58. Citizens of the USSR have the right to lodge a complaint against the actions of officials, state bodies and public bodies. Complaints shall be examined according to the procedure and within the time-limit established by law.

  176. feelthebern

    Has to more to the story Tom.
    Weren’t they acting on a tip off or something?
    Here’s my view.
    For some reason Weir was caught up in a meta data sweep.
    VicPol jumps the gun.
    From there it turns into a cluster fuck.

  177. Arky

    Lefties and rights:
    ..

    Article 36 [Religion]
    (1) Citizens of the People’s Republic of China enjoy freedom of
    religious belief.
    (2) No state organ, public organization, or individual may compel
    citizens to believe in, or not to believe in, any religion; nor may they
    discriminate against citizens who believe in, or do not believe in, any
    religion.
    (3) The state protects normal religious activities. No one may make
    use of religion to engage in activities that disrupt public order, impair
    the health of citizens or interfere with the educational system of the
    state.
    (4) Religious bodies and religious affairs are not subject to any
    foreign domination.

    Article 37 [Personal Freedom]
    (1) The personal freedom of citizens of the People’s Republic of
    China is inviolable.
    (2) No citizen may be arrested except with the approval or by
    decision of a people’s procuratorate or by decision of a people’s court,
    and arrests must be made by a public security organ.
    (3) Unlawful deprivation or restriction of citizens’ personal freedom by
    detention or other means is prohibited; and unlawful search of the
    person of citizens is prohibited.

    Article 38 [Personal Dignity]
    The personal dignity of citizens of the People’s Republic of China is
    inviolable. Insult, libel, false charge, or frame-up directed against
    citizens by any means is prohibited.

    Article 39 [Home]
    The home of citizens of the People’s Republic of China is
    inviolable. Unlawful search of, or intrusion into, a citizen’s home is
    prohibited.

    Article 40 [Correspondence]
    The freedom and privacy of correspondence of citizens of the
    People’s Republic of China are protected by law. No organization or
    individual may, on any ground, infringe upon the freedom and privacy
    of citizens’ correspondence except in cases where, to meet the needs
    of state security or of investigation into criminal offenses, public
    security or procuratorial organs are permitted to censor
    correspondence in accordance with procedures prescribed by law.

    Article 41 [Freedom of Speech]
    (1) Citizens of the People’s Republic of China have the right to
    criticize and make suggestions to any state organ or
    functionary. Citizens have the right to make to relevant state organs
    complaints and charges against, or exposures of, any state organ or
    functionary for violation of the law or dereliction of duty; but
    fabrication or distortion of facts for the purpose of libel or frame-up is
    prohibited.
    (2) The state organ concerned must deal with complaints, charges or
    exposures made by citizens in a responsible manner after
    ascertaining the facts. No one may suppress such complaints,
    charges and exposure, or retaliate against the citizens making them.
    (3) Citizens who have suffered losses through infringement of their
    civic rights by any state organ or functionary have the right to
    compensation in accordance with the law.

    Article 42 [Work]
    (1) Citizens of the People’s Republic of China have the right as well
    as the duty to work.
    (2) Using various channels, the state creates conditions for
    employment, strengthens labor protection, improves working
    conditions, and, on the basis of expanded production, increases
    remuneration for work and social benefits.
    (3) Work is the glorious duty of every able-bodied citizen. All working
    people in State-owned enterprises and in urban and rural economic
    collectives should perform their tasks with an attitude consonant with
    their status as masters of the country. The State promotes socialist
    labor emulation, and commends and rewards model and advanced
    workers. The State encourages citizens to take part in voluntary labor.
    (4) The state provides necessary vocational training to citizens before
    they are employed.

    Article 43 [Leisure]
    (1) Working people in the People’s Republic of China have the right
    to rest.
    (2) The state expands facilities for rest and recuperation of working
    people, and prescribes working hours and vacations for workers and
    staff.

    Article 44 [Retirement]
    The state prescribes by law the system of retirement for workers and
    staff in enterprises and undertakings and for functionaries of organs
    of state. The livelihood of retired personnel is ensured by the state
    and society.

    Article 45 [Social Security]
    (1) Citizens of the People’s Republic of China have the right to
    material assistance from the state and society when they are old, ill,
    or disabled. The state develops the social insurance, social relief,
    and medical and health services that are required to enable citizens
    to enjoy this right.
    (2) The state and society ensure the livelihood of disabled members
    of the armed forces, provide pensions for the families of martyrs, and
    give preferential treatment to the families of military personnel.
    (3) The state and society help make arrangements for the work,
    livelihood and education of the blind, deafmutes and other
    handicapped citizens.

  178. Iampeter

    Seriously. You’ve got a bet running with one of the other pigeon feeders in the park, haven’t you?

    Maybe.
    More likely you shouldn’t be on a political website.

  179. Mother Lode

    Actually, considering the benighted tards fumbling blindly around that building in Ultimo are pretty much the scraped off emulsion of white middle class mediocrity, quotas shifting the balance away from its current gigantic clot of pus texture would weaken the socialist grip.

    Of course, Ita likely means letterboxes telling the news, muffled through her freedom sack, and filling the booth with subcontinentals, all using names like Michael, Jonathan or Susan, who spend their time in its entirety putting the cameras and microphones and lights on hold while they transfer them to another department.

  180. Top Ender

    Doing a meltdown is normal with these people if they don’t get their own way:

    ‘Absurd’ bail conditions prevent Extinction Rebellion protesters ‘going near’ other members
    Civil liberties groups say bail conditions imposed on Sydney climate change activists are usually reserved for bikie gang members

    Also shrill indignation over Channel 10 show where:

    Kerri-Anne Kennerley called for Extinction Rebellion protesters to be “used as speed bumps”.

    “The guy hanging from the Story Bridge [in Brisbane]. Why send emergency services?” she said. “Nobody should do anything, and you just put little witches’ hats around them, or use them as a speed bump.

    “Put them in jail, forget to feed them.”

    Link to the Guardian – take popcorn for the entertainment.

  181. Old Lefty

    Thanks for the piece about the ABC legal costs, Top Ender. Does anyone know how much of our money the ABC paid its hired legal gun to avoid responsibility towards the victim of Jon Stephens?

  182. Infidel Tiger

    That’s pretty funny.

    Dustin Martin’s car is still parked at the MCG. He hasn’t been in a fit state to pick it up yet after the GF.

  183. feelthebern

    Douglas Murray interview.
    Very very good.

  184. Mother Lode

    I am surprised OmPoida is banging on about rights. In practice rights must be framed and protected by the others – if you are underwriting your own rights by your own force then it is not a right, but simply getting what you can.

    Rights are collectivist, and therefore left wing, therefore socialist, therefore Christian, therefore communist.

    Amiright?

  185. Iampeter

    Except Plato’s, Aristotle’s, and so on, for millenia.

    *facepalm*

    “Rights” are a left wing thing.

    Rights are a political concept. If you’re not discussing rights then you’re not discussing politics.
    The proper use of rights is right wing, the improper use, as we see in this thread as you confused leftists try to use them to justify violating them, is…well…leftist.
    The reason those you call “the left” bang on about rights all the time is because they are making political arguments, even if wrong.
    But as politically illiterate leftists, who don’t even know what rights are, like conservatives and you, there are no political arguments.
    You just have no clue what you’re talking about but think you’re an expert.
    It is cringe.

  186. Delcon

    Giving individuals more state-bestowed rights is the best way to, in the guise of protecting individuals from the power of the state, in fact enhance the power of the state over the individual. That’s why Leftists love ’em some Bill of Rights.
    As for Iampeter: I can’t recall a single post of his in which he does not attack a fellow poster here. I suppose it’s his way of proving to himself he is smart: he developed some belief system about how he is the “true” right-winger, and everyone else who thinks they are on the Right, not to mention Left, are therefore inferior to him. Notwithstanding his failure to articulate in a clear and understandable way *why* his views are the “true” right and others’ aren’t, it allows him to continue to present himself as smarter than the rest of us.

  187. Arky

    Rights are a political concept.

    ..
    Says the communist.

  188. Arky

    But everything is political to the communist.
    Isn’t that so, commie?

  189. Percy:

    Here’s a warning you stinking swampies – disrupt my trip home and you’ll be chowing down on a knuckle sammich.

    If you do, you will be put in the slammer.
    They are a protected species.
    You are not.

  190. Iampeter

    But everything is political to the communist.
    Isn’t that so, commie?

    You probably should’ve stuck with your previous response of “no” earlier in the thread.
    The whole better to remain silent then speak and remove all doubt about your foolishness thing.

    You have no idea what you’re talking about.

  191. bespoke

    feelthebern
    #3179163, posted on October 9, 2019 at 9:33 am
    Crikey.
    You’ll have half the Cat at the top of your deportation list.
    I’d expect to be top 10.

    +1 Come get me IT

    It has been suggested by others that at least 20 years before residence get granted citizenship. And automatic removal of residency for asylum seeker who return home. New Zealender who have an un healthy attraction to rats with shells to be deported immediately.

    A agree with all.

  192. thefrollickingmole

    Turgid turgosity floating in a turgid word soup with a bit of turgid oil added to enhance the turgidness of its prose.

    FFS I get 1/2 way through its grandiose self hand shandies and it sends me to sleep.

  193. Mother Lode:

    Anyway, I reckon he has Inspector Clouseau range of disguises so he can be whatever was required. Even a humpbacked female Sikh with yellow teeth and one leg missing.

    What?
    Has Delta been getting lucky and not bragging about it?

  194. Atoms for Peace

    Thanks Arky. The Chinese Communist Party does do a nice job of satire when they put their minds to it.

  195. Top Ender

    Here’s one to copy and paste and send to “young people”:

    Young people need to look at the facts about the true state of the world

    Joanne Tran, The Daily Telegraph October 8, 2019

    I graduated high school recently from what has been an insane year of engaging in political shenanigans. I’ve come to realise that my classmates’ decision to skip school to join the climate strike and their disgust and shock at this year’s federal election results, are symptoms of a wider phenomenon — that of deep pessimism and anxiety my generation has about our future, despite evidence proving otherwise.

    There have been reports of an increase in climate anxiety among my generation, and findings of a CIS poll that show, overall, a significant portion of young people view socialism favourably. There was also the annual Lowy Institute poll which illustrated that a significant portion of young people no longer think that democracy is the best form of government.

    This is, after all, the generation that has had the most access to information, is the most technologically savvy, and are also experiencing the highest standards of living that the world has ever seen.

    It is evident that the unprecedented levels of hysteria about our future are being projected by the media, certain groups and schools. This is reflected in encouragement to skip a day of our education to “save the planet”, to filling our heads with the repetition of stock-standard platitudes such as “the system is broken and we need the government to save us” and “you are living worse off than your parents’ generation”.
    Sadly, it seems that the division of hysteria sells, but ¬optimism and facts do not.

    Objectively, the world is getting better, not worse. The World Bank has reported that over the last 25 years, more than a billion people have lifted themselves out of extreme poverty and that global poverty rates have never been lower in ¬recorded history.

    Access to education has never been greater as global literacy rates continue to increase with more women and children being given the right to an education.

    Modern medicine has also never been more advanced with mortality rates from preventable illnesses at an all-time low, and many diseases largely ¬eradicated due to technological advancement.

    All of this should be celebrated as the greatest human achievement of our time. These facts should also reassure younger generations that the current institutions in place are working, contrary to the doom and gloom they’ve been indoctrinated with.

    Capitalism, after all, has been the only system in history to have provided successful outcomes that allow individuals the freedom to innovate.

    Our schools should celebrate the fact that we are about to join in and help build upon this system. They should prepare us for this endeavour to engage with technology for a ¬better future. Not fill our heads with the pessimism and nihilism of a climate strike movement premised on the lie that we will not even have ¬a future.

    Or, in the case of my school, hold a lunchtime stall to sell Stop Adani T-shirts to fundraise for activist groups such as School Strike 4 Climate, who promote children to skip their education and, instead, make radical demands to combat climate change.

    The mantra being sold to my ¬generation about how we are somehow worse off than our parents, that we must learn to live with less and lower our standard of living, sail instead of fly, and go vegan to “save the planet” or “to fix the system” is false, and can simply be used by
    governments and groups to cater to their own agendas as we have seen in history, the most extreme ones being under the communist societies of Kim’s North Korea and Stalin’s Russia where a centralised drive for the perfect utopia by any means necessary, through gross resource allocations, resulted in the deaths of untold millions.

    By contrast, human innovation flourishes when the state takes a step back. We saw this in the Soviet Union, where it took four times the amount of fossil fuels to produce a car ¬compared to Japan. Not only is that inefficient, it’s also bad for the environment.

    My parents and grandparents’ lives were marked by various world wars and conflicts with the collapse of the Soviet Union being the main one. It marked the fall of communism and the ideological victory of capitalism over socialism. The suspicion of government overreach and interference sunk in.
    My generation’s pessimism now risks turning this backwards.

    The Harvard psychologist Daniel Gilbert and his colleagues have argued, in a 2018 study published in science, that we are misled about the state of the world.

    They found that when the world gets better, we become harsher critics of it. This can cause us to mistakenly conclude that it hasn’t actually gotten better at all, despite the evidence.

    As myself and thousands of my peers head into the future, we must remember to reject the pessimism being projected on to us and to proceed with the same hope and resilience that drove those who came before us to build the increasingly better world we live in.

    Winston Churchill, the war hero and former prime minister of the UK said it best: “For myself, I am an optimist — it does not seem to be much use to be anything else.”

  196. Arky

    Communists:
    -Write long treatises about rights and freedoms.
    -Brook no dissent.
    -Militant atheists.
    -Think they know everything.

    IvorPetrov:
    -Writes long treatises about rights and freedoms.
    -Brooks no dissent.
    -Militant atheist.
    -Thinks he knows everything
    ..
    You are a communist.

  197. Old School Conservative

    Infidel Tiger
    #3179429, posted on October 9, 2019 at 1:59 pm
    This is bizarre.

    Is the Folau Church whistleblower Helen Petaia the same Helen Petaia who claimed bullying at the ATO?:

    You seem to be spot on.

    “I suppose I am not my son, I am an individual with my own identity and I already have a track record of having public views about different things,” she said.

    This includes once taking on the Australian Taxation Office over a tax bill that crippled her small business and was later retracted by the ATO.

  198. bespoke

    Deport all MX5 , 180B owners including those that claim it’s there girls car plus the ones that hate WoodStock cans.
    .

  199. Overburdened

    https://youtu.be/Jc9WrSae8Ts

    Tucker Carlson should stick to domestic politics.

    He has good internal logic and is fluent to convey his message succinctly, and generally obliterates a lot of the bullshit that goes spouted in America.

    To use China as the reference point to put shit on the stupid shows that he is as cynical as the rest of them.

    To use a narrative of standing for freedom regarding Hong Kong, he forgets to mention the British handover.

    He also studiously ignores the consequences of any more practical activity other than virtue signalling as he does in the clip.

  200. 1735099

    But everything is political to the communist.

    Try posting for one day without using the terms “communist” or “left”.
    It would be a great discipline.
    But it’s probably completely beyond you.

  201. Knuckle Dragger

    Iampudenda, 2.29;

    ‘More likely you shouldn’t be on a political blog.’

    Why not, and who said it was a political blog? You?

    Ho ho ho.

    Tell me more about metaphysical altruism. This pleases me.

  202. Mother Lode

    Young people need to look at the facts about the true state of the world

    Joanne Tran, The Daily Telegraph October 8, 2019

    Bless her.

    Hopefully a few more ‘Aussie’ kids listen to this descendant of migrants.

    Only just graduated High School too. Wow!

  203. Arky

    There I was conversing with Ivor and suddenly I felt the wang pressing against the back of my neck.
    Oh no ! It’s a pile on! Whatever shall I do against the overwhelming intellectual weight?
    I’m really panicking now.
    Someone save me.

  204. struth

    Rights are the basis for freedom in the form of a rights-protecting government, not the justification for violating rights. That would be your typical circular argument.

    My rights are god given.
    They are not for a government to give or take away.
    If you saw the practicality of freedom in Christianity, you would understand god given freedoms will not be taken away by god on this earth.
    My forebears, and yours , were sovereign peoples and as you heard Sco Mo say just the other day, there is no higher authority than the Australian people to the Australian government (yes he may not mean it, but he knows that is how it is supposed to operate).
    If you had an ounce of common sense, and even if you are your own god, in your own eyes, you should take those god given Christian rights (God won’t take them away here on earth, while socialists and big government will always be fighting to do just that) and ensure through democracy that your government understands it has no right to authority on it.

    See, Iampeter, wanting to give that power to the government to maintain, you prove yourself to be so far left, I’m surprised you find time to post here and also be actively involved in extinction rebellion.

  205. calli

    Something for Yom Kippur

    Liberty quote

    Freedom is the oxygen of the soul.

    — Moshe Dayan

  206. struth

    Try posting for one day without using the terms “communist” or “left”.
    It would be a great discipline.
    But it’s probably completely beyond you.

    Why don’t you fuck off for a day, you commo left wing turd.

  207. Geriatric Mayfly

    This from Breitbart gets even more sickening the further one dares scroll down. This Nebraska abattoir
    is said to be ‘wooing patients.’ They’re sick, about that there’s no doubt.

    The advertising brochure of notorious late-term abortionist LeRoy Carhart promises women who abort their babies in their third trimester of pregnancy he will allow them to “hold” their dead babies after they are aborted. Carhart’s Maryland and Nebraska abortion practices specialize in second- and third-trimester abortions. He says in his brochure and on his website, AbortionClinics.org, his clinics are focused on “kindness, courtesy, justice, love & respect.”

  208. struth

    Why does big government and leftism despise Chistianity?
    Why does it love Islum?

    Because a Christian society doesn’t need them.
    They are a free people based on individual freedom here on earth, with guidelines on how to treat your fellow man .

    Whatever you say about Chistianity, you owe your freedom to it, and also therefore, the wealth of the nation you are in.
    Whether you believe in Jesus or not.
    Belief is irrelevant.

    The less Christianity, the bigger the government.
    As we see these days.

  209. bespoke

    allow them to “hold” their dead babies after they are aborted.

    Sick death cult.

  210. Helen

    Oh dear, overgrazing in National Parks.

    They’ll have to let in sporting shooters, piggers, petmeaters in to help ‘solve’the problem.

    Do they also ignore the damage done to farm land and pasture? Yep, in my experience it is the sum total that matters outside of national parks, which includes unfriendly natives and ferals as well as domestic.

  211. Delcon

    struth
    #3179492, posted on October 9, 2019 at 3:36 pm


    Whatever you say about Chistianity, you owe your freedom to it, and also therefore, the wealth of the nation you are in.
    Whether you believe in Jesus or not.
    Belief is irrelevant.

    The less Christianity, the bigger the government.
    As we see these days.

    No, no, no, you don’t get it: faith and religion is for intellectually-challenged people like us.
    Iampeterthegreat has his fierce intellect to fall back on.
    He doesn’t need religion!
    It’s his fierce intellect that was somehow enough to convince him that Cardinal Pell is guilty of molesting two kids in a middle of a busy cathedral without anyone noticing or those two kids ever talking about it with anyone for twenty years, and he is only too happy to share this wisdom with the rest of us.
    Not everyone who is a non-religious atheist is a complete moron.
    Somehow, those who are openly and loudly so, however, quite invariably seem to be.

  212. Iampeter

    Communists:
    -Write long treatises about rights and freedoms.
    -Brook no dissent.
    -Militant atheists.
    -Think they know everything.

    IvorPetrov:
    -Writes long treatises about rights and freedoms.
    -Brooks no dissent.
    -Militant atheist.
    -Thinks he knows everything
    ..
    You are a communist.

    Oh gawd.
    You don’t even know what a communist is.

  213. 1735099

    Why don’t you fuck off for a day, you commo left wing turd.

    Now why would I do that when I’m having so much fun?

  214. bespoke

    Numberwangs supervisor must be out of town. Reverting to his old rakey self.

  215. Old School Conservative

    If Sinc can boot out None for, in Sinc’s words “telling a lie and not apologising”, then Shirley Numbers can be booted too for lying about his reasons for being here.
    He is just having fun. Not, as he says, to bust the ANZAC myth or to condemn slavery or criticise conscription etc etc.

    However booting him out would stop others from having so much fun at his expense.
    Booting is a double edged sword.

  216. 2dogs

    I nominate this for the greatest achievement of the Trump presidency.

  217. Top Ender

    Extinction Rebellion: Losing hearts and minds, mainly minds

    JACK THE INSIDER

    I am all for saving the planet, especially while I remain respiring on it, but looking at Extinction Rebellion protesters around the world it does make me wonder if the planet is worth saving.

    Hear me out. The air around our major cities smells richly of hippies. Not just young hippies who can be kind of cute but old ones with hair sprouting of every conceivable orifice. Old, smelly hippies who have taken to the streets years before to shriek about every conceivable threat from nuclear holocaust to the placement of a pedestrian crossing in Newtown.

    Hippies of all ages supergluing their naked bodies to glass thus foisting their ugliness on the innocent, folk dancing on the streets, people chaining themselves to whatever obelisk is within arm’s reach. If this is a sneak preview of the end of the world, I say let’s get it over and done with as soon as possible.

    A splinter group of protesters, known as the red rebels (decked out entirely in scarlet chiffon with faces painted white) loiter around cities performing what looks like a bad form of kabuki theatre which is already bad enough as it is. What harm could this do? Not much really. For the public, it would be a bit like being set upon by a pack of Tai Chi practitioners. They won’t do much damage but if they got angry, anyone who got in their way could be very lightly assaulted over five gruelling hours.

    What sort of self-respecting planet would allow this to happen? Look around the solar system. This is not happening anywhere else and reports from Saturn say the climate there is a nightmare.

    ER’s demands are straightforward: Governments around the world must declare a climate emergency (whatever that means), net zero emissions by 2025, the formation of a citizen’s assembly to oversee climate policies and dismantling the entire apparatuses of the Roman Imperialist State within two days.

    All right, maybe not the last one.

    We’d need a small army of actuaries to do the maths but net zero global emissions by 2025 by my back of the beer coaster arithmetic would necessarily plunge billions back into poverty who a generation earlier had begun to emerge from it. That would be more than a little frustrating for them, I suspect.

    No electricity. No part to play in a global economy. Back to a grim subsistence, disease and eking out a living against the odds.

    In a nutshell, ER proposes that saving the world’s billions means having to sacrifice a billion or two along the way. Let’s call those unfortunates collateral damage.

    Like anyone with an axe to grind, Extinction Rebellion folk are entitled to protest. Hell, they can Araldite their genitals to a yoga mat the size of a small continent for all I care. But they do so in the knowledge that what they do is a bourgeois, we-can-afford-to-take-the-day-off-because-we-don’t-have-to-worry-about-where-our-next meal-is-coming-from protest. The answer, oddly, is the environmentalist’s Great Satan, MacDonald’s, if some of the photographs of ER’s protesters having a snack break are anything to go by.

    Look around. ER protests have occurred in London, Amsterdam, Berlin, Sydney, Brisbane. The West. There’s not a whole lot happening in Africa, Asia or South America.

    It’s no surprise. Two of the founders of ER are English, middle class and steeped in the business of outrage expression.

    Roger Hallam had a ten-acre organic farm, growing stunted vegies and fruit with dirty great bruises before selling them to people with more money than sense.

    He claims an extreme weather event cost him his farm and the subsequent loss of thirty jobs. Call me cynical but I’d probably want to have a good look at the books before shaking my head wistfully in empathy. The question does arise, however, was he some sort of Ned Flanders type who shunned property insurance thinking it was a form of gambling?

    Farmless, he took to the streets.

    Most recently he was remanded in custody after threatening to launch drones over Heathrow air space. Was he protesting imminent climate holocaust or the construction of Heathrow’s controversial third runway? A little of both or none of the above? It’s hard to say.

    “We are in a ‘time of consequences’ as Churchill called it in response to the Nazi threat in 1936,” Hallam huffed before being frogmarched off tom the slammer.

    “The consequence of not rebelling is indescribable suffering and death for billions of people. The consequence of rebellion is a chance to avoid the worst. Rebellion means mass economic disruption and deep personal sacrifice. I am a rebel. That’s why I am flying drones at Heathrow.”

    And blindly falling into Godwin’s Law, while likening capitalism to Nazism.

    Another founder of ER is Gail Bradbrook whose claim to protesting fame was sitting on a couch outside the site of an industrial incinerator in Gloucester. It’s the sort of protest I could get behind. Fighting the power while having a long lie down on a comfy sofa.

    But what she and her cohorts were and continue to protest about in this instance is an incinerator which promises to save British taxpayers over £100 million and generate enough clean electricity to power 25,000 homes at the same time by taking household, non-recyclable refuse out of land fill, burning it at high temperature and using the heat to generate electricity.

    Why would any environmental warrior protest about this? Apparently, it’s unsightly and on the rare occasion trucks can get past the blockade, puffs of smoke can be seen coming out of the incinerator’s chimney and that is more horrific than any fact or statistic could ever realise.

    Never mind the science feel the outrage.

    The trouble with marketing Armageddon is that most of us have been there before. Existential threats are a part of the human experience. A catastrophic End Times is a feature of Abrahamic religions. Christianity is based on it. A few lucky ones survive but the rest of us are for the flame and no amount of naked Morris dancing is going to change that.

    Anyone of a certain vintage will recall living peacefully enough while the nuclear superpowers pointed enough nukes at each other that any POTUS or Secretary of the Supreme Soviet having a bad day could set off the planet’s destruction not once but six times. Just in case they missed the first five.

    And that’s the problem with Extinction Rebellion. The protests are a party. A bad party, sure but more celebration than reflection. It makes it really hard to take the end of the world seriously.

    JACK THE INSIDER
    COLUMNIST
    Peter Hoysted is Jack the Insider: a highly placed, dedicated servant of the nation with close ties to leading figures in politics, business and the union movement.

    Oz

  218. Arky

    Oh gawd.
    You don’t even know what a communist is.

    ..
    Oh my Gawd! Oh my Gawd! Oh my Gawd!
    [flaps arms like chicken and drools]

  219. 1735099

    You are a communist.
    Oh gawd.
    You don’t even know what a communist is.

    You’re not wrong.
    I don’t think anyone who posts here actually does.
    But its repetition on this blog as a stereotypical behavioural response is familiar.
    I’ve come across it before when working with kids with neurological disorders.
    It’s definitely a tic – (of the complex phonic classification) and makes me think sometimes that I’ve stumbled upon a cluster of posters with Tourette syndrome.

  220. Arky

    If Sinc can boot out None for, in Sinc’s words “telling a lie and not apologising”, then Shirley Numbers can be booted too for lying about his reasons for being here.

    ..
    No.
    His aim is to mimic the broader Australian political landscape here on this blog. With out and out ratbag commies pretending to be centrists bullying faux right wing “libertarians” into agreeing how shameful the rest of us are and endlessly wrangling over minutia before the faux conservative apologises.

  221. Roger

    And that’s the problem with Extinction Rebellion. The protests are a party. A bad party, sure but more celebration than reflection. It makes it really hard to take the end of the world seriously.

    I note a Brisbane sub-group let the cat out of the bag, marching behind a sign proclaiming:

    “Socialist Rebellion

    Burn Borders Not Coal”

  222. 1735099

    He is just having fun. Not, as he says, to bust the ANZAC myth or to condemn slavery or criticise conscription etc etc.

    It might be difficult for you to understand, but the two activities are simultaneously possible.

  223. Delcon

    We don’t know what a communist is, we are told by the trolls.
    So why don’t you tell us, then?

  224. Top Ender

    Back in the 70s the types that make up Extinction Rebellion were known as “cosmics” and other names.

    Same vacuous simplistic chantings.

    Same coating of smelly filth.

    Same fuel of chemical concoctions which are somehow labelled good, while the ones that power your car, or keep your food for you, are labeled bad.

    I particularly like the photo doing the rounds today of a diesel generator powering their London camp site.

  225. Arky

    Ivorpeter is at home desperately yelling at the computer; “Stop helping me numberwang. You’re not helping”!

  226. Arky

    IvorPetrov:
    -Writes long treatises about rights and freedoms.
    -Brooks no dissent.
    -Militant atheist.
    -Thinks he knows everything
    ..
    You are a communist.

    ..
    The only thing he disputed is the definition of communist, which I wasn’t giving.
    This is exactly what a communist would do.

  227. struth

    You don’t even know what a communist is.

    You’re not wrong.
    I don’t think anyone who posts here actually does.

    So tell us oh great one, Is a county socialist if it has private business ownership?

    You’re not the fella to be making those statements, Sniffy Mc Ommo

  228. classical_hero

    Ben Garrison pretty good today. On Trump rejecting middle east involvement. Hard to do in a graphic but he manages it.

    The same Ben Garrison who in the past has drawn cartoons that are saying that President Trump is doing the will of Isreal to fight their wars. He can’t have it both ways. As far as I’m concerned, he can go and get lost.

  229. Arky

    Is a county socialist

    ..
    I know these two countys seem to be.

  230. JC

    Peter

    It’s computer lockup time. Don’t piss off the orderly.

  231. Roger

    Objectively, the world is getting better, not worse. The World Bank has reported that over the last 25 years, more than a billion people have lifted themselves out of extreme poverty and that global poverty rates have never been lower in ¬recorded history.

    – Joanne Tran

    I think that’s what the Prog-Left fears, Joanne.

    Hence the counter-narrative and emotional appeals.

    Unfortunately, it comes at a time when young people educated in our schooling system have never been so poorly equipped to objectively evaluate truth claims.

  232. struth

    I’m having touble with myy r and Y buttons, Aky………………………

  233. Arky

    I’m having touble with myy r and Y buttons, Aky

    ..
    Just call me Ace. Everyone here does.
    /Red dwarf

  234. Roger

    No ethics is grounded in ontology.

    I think you meant to say “no ethics that I am familiar with is grounded in ontology”.

    As I said before, go and get yourself a decent education.

    12 years of Australian schooling, plus a few years of TAFE or university and surfing the web is no substitute.

  235. max

    Nick
    #3179397, posted on October 9, 2019 at 1:33 pm
    Melbourne race 2 coming up ‘Cuban toonite’ is running

    And None a scratching in the same race.

  236. Arky

    Seriously.
    Don’t you people have jobs?
    How can you afford to be online all day talking utter shit?

  237. Top Ender

    Communism’s decline, from the Encyclopedia Britannica:

    For much of the 20th century, in fact, about one-third of the world’s population lived under communist regimes. These regimes were characterized by the rule of a single party that tolerated no opposition and little dissent. In place of a capitalist economy, in which individuals compete for profits, moreover, party leaders established a command economy in which the state controlled property and its bureaucrats determined wages, prices, and production goals.

    The inefficiency of these economies played a large part in the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991, and the remaining communist countries (excepting North Korea) are now allowing greater economic competition while holding fast to one-party rule.

    Whether they will succeed in this endeavour remains to be seen. Succeed or fail, however, communism is clearly not the world-shaking force it was in the 20th century.

  238. Iampeter

    I think you meant to say “no ethics that I am familiar with is grounded in ontology”.

    No, that’s not what I meant to say. You don’t what you’re talking about and are throwing around terms you don’t understand.

    Oh my Gawd! Oh my Gawd! Oh my Gawd!
    [flaps arms like chicken and drools]

    This is a pretty good summary of most posts here at the Cat. Politics!

  239. Anyone else read the bullshit Numbers linked to as “proof” of aslyum seekers arriving by air, or something, whatever, he meant?

  240. JC

    Fight your own fight, Driller. Stop it with those stupid open question inviting others to join in. Like that’s not transparent at all, dickhead. Go pour drinks.

  241. Arky

    You don’t what you’re talking about

    ..
    Stop it with this coded commie talk.

  242. Roger

    You don’t what you’re talking about and are throwing around terms you don’t understand.

    Ad hom fallacy.

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