Tuesday Forum: October 8, 2019

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  1. Oh come on

    The US position in Syria is untenable due to the Obama administration’s incoherent foreign policy. Here’s why:

    – the Free Syrian Army is shot through with Muslim Brotherhood people from top to bottom. They are not our friends

    – the FSA is a busted flush. Assad will crush them as soon as he is able (ie. when the US gets out of the way)

    – surely it is beyond dispute by now that Assad is the least worst option to lead Syria. Whatever the FSA would throw up if it were to have its way would be awful. Not as bad as ISIS, but not hugely better, either. The US backed the wrong horse at the very start of the Syrian civil war. The US *should* stop backing the FSA

    – Turkey was always going to intervene to suppress the YPG/PKK Kurds at some point, absent a large scale long term US military commitment to protect them

    – the YPG/PKK Kurds are not our friends. They are not our enemies, either, but we owe them nothing – unlike the Iraqi Kurds. The YPG Kurds of course are fearful of the exit of the US from Syria, and are begging the US to stay. Why? The US owes them nothing. The US *should* stop backing the Kurds in Syria

    – therefore, the US *should* withdraw from Syria

    There is no reason for the US to stay to protect the FSA or the Kurds of Syria and Turkey. Both are lost causes. The US owes neither group anything. Sooner or later the Turks will act against the Kurds in Syria, and Assad will act against the FSA. The current small US deployment is not sufficient to prevent this from happening. The deployment will have to be enlarged substantially to do so. There is no political will in the US to do this, and rightfully so.

    It is time for the US to cut its losses in Syria. Trump is absolutely right to pull US forces out.

  2. Steve trickler

    I’ll get around to seeing the film……eventually.



  3. Old School Conservative

    It might be difficult for you to understand, but the two activities are simultaneously possible.

    No shit Sherlock.
    Time for me to take up fishing on a professional basis. This is too easy.

  4. Anyone else get around to reading that bullshit Numbers posted as “proof” of asylum seekers arriving by air, or being overworked on a plantation, or something?
    You’d think he’d have learned from the embarrassing outcome that resulted from his limited-t0-poor research skills on 457 visas & how that panned out for him.

  5. Oh come on

    The US position in Syria is untenable due to the Obama administration’s incoherent foreign policy. Here’s why:

    – the Free Syrian Army is shot through with Musssslim Brotherhood people from top to bottom. They are not our friends

    – the FSA is a busted flush. Assad will crush them as soon as he is able (ie. when the US gets out of the way)

    – surely it is beyond dispute by now that Assad is the least worst option to lead Syria. Whatever the FSA would throw up if it were to have its way would be awful. Not as bad as IS, but not hugely better, either. The US backed the wrong horse at the very start of the Syrian civil war. The US *should* stop backing the FSA

    – Turkey was always going to intervene to suppress the YPG/PKK Kurds at some point, absent a large scale long term US military commitment to protect them

    – the YPG/PKK Kurds are not our friends. They are not our enemies, either, but we owe them nothing – unlike the Iraqi Kurds. The YPG Kurds of course are fearful of the exit of the US from Syria, and are begging the US to stay. Why? The US owes them nothing. Turkey, OTOH, is a NATO ally (albeit an increasingly hostile one). If there is to be a showdown with Turkey, it is ridiculous that it should be over the Syrian Kurds. They are not the hill the US should die on, so to speak. A showdown with Turkey should take place over a matter of strategic importance to the US, which the Syrian Kurds are not. The US *should* stop backing the Kurds in Syria

    – therefore, the US *should* withdraw from Syria

    There is no reason for the US to stay to protect the FSA or the Kurds of Syria and Turkey. Both are lost causes. The US owes neither group anything. Sooner or later the Turks will act against the Kurds in Syria, and Assad will act against the FSA. The current small US deployment is not sufficient to prevent this from happening. The deployment will have to be enlarged substantially to do so. There is no political will in the US to do this, and rightfully so.

    It is time for the US to cut its losses in Syria. Trump is absolutely right to pull US forces out.

  6. JC

    This is pretty important and revolutionary stuff – if Boris chooses this dude and the UK changes the way monetary policy is handled. Sunny old Britain could be the first cab off the rank.

    You win by convincing the next generation of leaders

    The UK government is about to appoint a new Governor of the Bank of England, as Mark Carney’s term is expiring. Oddsmakers have made Gerard Lyons the even money favorite to be picked, partly because he’s the only candidate who supported Brexit and partly because he’s known and liked by Boris Johnson.

    Commenter wlb directed me to a Bloomberg interview where Lyons suggested that it was time to re-examine the BoE’s remit, particularly the question of whether they should stick with inflation targeting or consider a “money GDP” target. I can’t be certain, but listening to him talk it’s hard not to reach the conclusion that he finds the latter option more appealing. Otherwise, why suggest the need for reconsidering the BoE’s remit?

    Meanwhile, in the US there are rumors that St. Louis Fed President James Bullard might be picked to replace Powell in 2020, assuming Trump is re-elected. Bullard has recently argued that NGDP targeting has several important advantages over inflation targeting.

    It’s often said that the Keynesians didn’t win by convincing the economic establishment of the 1930s, rather they convinced a younger generation of economists who were open to their ideas. Those economists took over the reins of power after WWII.

    I see something similar happening with NGDP targeting. It will succeed gradually, as more and more younger economists (who have no experience of the high inflation 1970s) see its advantages over inflation targeting.

    PS. Over at Econlog, I give the Fed advice on how to implement NGDP targeting.

    Sumner’s blog.

    I know it sounds boring, but it could be revolutionary.

  7. Arky

    Sooner or later the Turks will act against the Kurds in Syria, and Assad will act against the FSA.

    ..
    Surely there is some way with the kurds?

  8. JC

    Ignore that Number’s nuts. Driller’s last comment was really directed at me to somehow demonstrate he’s a tough guy.
    Look at him. The open question again. Such transparent low IQ, low wattage crap. Driller, the narcissistic pubblling was smashed out of you and this will be too.

  9. Oh come on

    Why, Arky? As I said above, the Syrian/Turkish Kurds are neither allies nor enemies. We don’t owe that group of Kurds anything. And certainly not the blood of American soldiers.

  10. Roger

    I think you meant to say “no ethics that I am familiar with is grounded in ontology”.

    No, that’s not what I meant to say.

    Then you are demonstrably wrong.

    I’ll give you two systems of ethics that were based on ontology, one ancient and one modern:

    Plato & Sartre.

    Of course, there are more, including that of Christianity, which you seem unable to grasp.

  11. Arky

    Why, Arky?

    ..
    Kurds and way? (whey).
    Geddit?

  12. Farmer Gez

    Compulsory training for the fire brigade tonight in the use of the crew protection system.
    If I was a suspicious person, I might think that it’s a hint we’re on our own when shit hits the fan.
    No pay and all at your own risk.
    How about a golden handshake for blokes that have done thirty years instead of a medal? It’s a nice medal but you can’t by a slab with it.

  13. Arky

    Numerically, the Kurds are estimated to number between 30 and 45 million.

    ..
    That is like Australia, New Zealand and say, Ireland put together.

  14. Oh come on

    You must distinguish between the Kurds in Erbil (northern Iraq) and the Kurds in Turkey and northern Syria, who the Turks have been fighting for decades due to the insurgency the Kurds have been carrying out in Turkey. The US doesn’t owe this group of Kurds a thing. Nothing.

  15. Knuckle Dragger

    Let’s have a few more random words thrown together, Iampudenda.

    Your thesaurus is showing.

  16. Arky

    Fine.
    But when Turkey starts bombing you know where those Kurds, and anyone from the region who can throw away their passport and stutter out “I am Kurd, please I want to go Australia” in Kurdish will end up, don’t you?

  17. Dover Beach:

    Dear oh dear, ‘rights’ don’t come up when your alone because you are free to think and act without qualification, i.e. shoot into the distance without fear of killing or injuring someone. However, when you are ‘among other people’ you cannot shoot as you would alone in the world.

    You can’t?
    Oh.
    Well, that explains the steel plate fence that’s gone up around bloke-next-doors property.

  18. Oh come on

    Arky. That’s our problem (which has largely been solved). It’s not a reason why the US should continue to stay in Syria.

  19. calli

    Do we know what a Communist is yet? Or is what I think a Communist is isn’t a proper Communist?

    How about Anarcho-capitalist?

    We need these things to be defined before we can discuss them.

    Just like the Ents do. Because it takes a long time to say anything worth saying and if it doesn’t take a long time, it isn’t worth saying.

  20. Knuckle Dragger

    The northern Syria Kurds want a sizable slab of southern Turkey as their own country. Have done for years.

    The Yanks don’t need to be involved. End of story.

    And if I was Erdogan I’d be doing exactly what he’s doing. Waiting for the Yanks to get out of the way and then annihilating a badly weakened enemy.

    Can’t blame him for that.

  21. calli

    Winston, have you gone completely Cuban?

  22. Iampeter

    Ad hom fallacy.

    Ad hom fallacy? HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAh. This is the cat you moron, 95% of comments are ad hom fallacies.

    In any case, me pointing out that you are throwing terms around you don’t understand while also having explained exactly how they fit correctly in a previous post, is NOT ad hominem.

  23. Arky

    Apparently we already have 10,000 Kurds here already.
    Probably fine folks.
    Never hear a peep out of ’em.
    Bring all 35 million in and then ask Jacinda for help I say.

  24. JC

    And the Fed begins a new round of QE.

    DENVER—The Federal Reserve will soon increase its purchases of short-term Treasury securities to avoid a recurrence of the unexpected strains experienced in money markets last month, Fed Chairman Jerome Powell said Tuesday.

    Fed officials stopped shrinking the assets on their balance sheet in August but never said when they would allow the balance sheet to grow again. As a result, a crucial liability on the balance sheet—bank deposits held at the Fed, called reserves—have continued declining.

    Stresses in very-short-term funding markets last month suggested banks have grown reluctant to lend those reserves. Officials hadn’t said until Tuesday when they would allow reserves to grow again to avoid further scarcity issues from roiling funding markets.

    It sort of isn’t but it is. Last year the Fed began to run down the balance sheet, which meant they would sell bonds etc and take in … well money. The effect was to reduce the money supply in terms of all things being equal. The knock on effect was to see a shortage of US dollars develop in the money markets. Not good because it meant they were running a contradictory monetary policy. Not Good.

    Welcome to QE folks. 🙂

  25. Iampeter

    Let’s have a few more random words thrown together, Iampudenda.

    Your thesaurus is showing.

    That’s a description of you idiots, not me. That’s half the point I’m making. You guys are just throwing random word salads around and pretending you’re discussing politics.
    Oh, when not getting triggered by having this farce pointed out to you LOL!

  26. jupes

    – the Free Syrian Army is shot through with Musssslim Brotherhood people from top to bottom. They are not our friends

    No no. They would make great dinky di Aussies and we should invite them to live here.

    Isn’t that right Dot.

  27. calli

    Thanks for that, JC. I’m going to be buying some USD in the next few weeks. I assume that I should hold off for a while?

  28. jupes

    Apparently we already have 10,000 Kurds here already.
    Probably fine folks.
    Never hear a peep out of ’em.

    Give them time.

  29. Arky

    LOL!

    ..
    This is code in commie world for “Lenin our Liege!
    Commie confirmed.

  30. Iampeter

    In other words, rights are freedoms to think or act qualified by human beings living in a social context.

    No. The exact opposite of that.
    This is what you don’t get:
    Making something illegal, that you don’t have a right to engage in anyway, like murder or theft, is NOT restricting or “qualifying” anyone. You don’t have that right anyway.
    On the other hand, regulating activities that are not violating rights, like business, or immigration, or trade, IS a restriction/qualification by other people.
    Those of us who are right wing support using the government to enforce the former, where only rights violations are illegal.
    Leftists, which includes you, support all sorts of other random restrictions because you don’t care about rights, or simply didn’t even know about the concept until just now.

    What’s worse is when these basics are pointed out to you, rather than conceding you are a leftist, or amending your position and becoming a right winger, you instead DOUBLE DOWN. You pretend you always knew the concept of rights and then engage in mental gymnastics, concocting circular arguments whereby you need to violate rights in order to protect rights.

    This is why conservatives are the worst. Largely because of religion, you are allergic to any kind of thinking or honesty and are just complete tards.

  31. Iampeter

    This is code in commie world for “Lenin our Liege!
    Commie confirmed.

    Yes, yes, commies, interest rates, Trump, Brexit, other political sounds words!

    You’re a real aficionado.

  32. calli

    This is cute

    “There was no reversal of the onus nor lowering of the standard of proof by the majority,” the documents said.

    “The [special leave application] proceeds on the false premise that a complainant’s account bears little or no weight on the independent assessment of the evidence.”

    The prosecutors also said Pell’s case misconstrued the facts.

    Forget about the witnesses with exculpatory evidence.

  33. JC

    Peter,

    I see the orderly may be unaware you still have to computer.

    The moment you accused Christians and Catholics in particular of being collectivists, it demonstrated to everyone here you’re a complete fake and have no business discussing libertarian philosophy or any philosophy for that matter.. You have no basic understanding what collectivism means unable to distinguish that term from free association. You’re a fake and a communist.

    Now go hand in your computer immediately.

    You’re done here.

  34. Oh come on

    Look at the name of the FSA. Note that it is the Free Syrian Army, not the Free Syria Army. It does not want to free Syria. It wants to act freely within Syria. It’s right there in the name.

  35. Delcon

    Serious question, Iampeter: of the many posts you made in this blog, have you ever made a post which does not include some form of criticism of fellow posters here?

  36. Arky

    Bring ’em in:
    ..

    The WADI representative stated that the “official number of honour killing cases is 50-60 per year” for the Kurdistan region of Iraq, but that this is likely an underestimation, as cases “are not registered in a professional fashion,” with only those cases involving a visit to the police station or hospital counted (WADI 25 Jan. 2016). Other sources similarly state that acts of honour-based violence often go unreported (The Guardian 17 Mar. 2013; PassBlue 6 May 2014; Gill 14 Mar. 2014).

    According to a report by the UN Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights on the situation in Iraq between July and December 2013, the Iraqi Kurdistan Directorate of Combating Violence Against Women (DCVAW) reported 2,353 allegations of violence against women between July and November 2013, including 2,141 cases of physical abuse, 132 cases of self-immolation, 46 cases of sexual abuse, and 23 murders (UN June 2014, 16). According to the US Department of State’s Country Reports on Human Rights Practices for 2014, between January and May 2014, there were 58 cases of sexual assault, 100 cases of “women burned by others,” 42 incidences of “women burning themselves,” 10 cases of women committing suicide, and 18 women were reportedly murdered in Iraqi Kurdistan (US 25 June 2015, 58). According to a 2015 joint report by the Ceasefire Centre for Civilian Rights and Minority Rights Group International (MRG), The Lost Women of Iraq: Family-based Violence During Armed Conflict, between January 2014 and June 2015, DCVAW received reports on 66 murders, 85 suicides, 314 cases of “burning,” and 160 cases of “self-burning” (Nov. 2015, 18). Further and corroborating information on statistics concerning honour-based violence could not be found among the sources consulted by the Research Directorate within the time constraints of this Response.

    1.1 Self-Immolation

    Sources state that self-immolation is related to honour-based violence as the woman may choose to self-immolate as a means of escaping the situation with her family (Huffington Post 17 July 2014; The Economist 18 Mar. 2014; WADI 11 Jan. 2016a). According to PassBlue, an “independent digital publication” that focuses on “women’s rights and gender equality, human rights, development, international justice and peacekeeping through the lens of the United Nations” (PassBlue n.d.), self-immolation may also be considered a “sacrifice for wrongdoing” (ibid. 6 May 2014). Other sources state that victims of self-immolation may be “coerced” into doing so by family members (Gill 4 June 2014; Open Democracy 12 May 2015; Ceasefire Centre for Civilian Rights and MRG Nov. 2015, 16). According to sources, the majority of self-immolation cases are reported as “accidents” (Huffington Post 17 July 2014; Open Democracy 12 May 2015). Country Reports 2014 states that

    [s]ome families arranged honour killings to appear as suicides. Since in the IKR [Iraqi Kurdistan Region] some suicidal women resorted to self-immolation as a method of killing themselves, authorities at times refused to investigate certain cases. (US 25 June 2015, 59)

  37. pete m

    OCO, the Syrian Kurds did all the heavy lifting against ISIL. The USA owes them some ongoing support – maybe not men in boots on the ground, but in pressure on Turkey to behave.

  38. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Cop filmed laughing as he stoned a helpless wombat to death is still in his job and has NOT been charged – even though 300,000 outraged people have signed a petition demanding he be sacked

    Footage shows off-duty officer Waylon Johncock killing a terrified wombat
    Johncock is seen repeatedly throwing a rock at the wombat’s head before it falls
    Police promised an urgent investigation but a week later there is no update
    Johncock is still in his role and has not been suspended or placed on leave
    Outraged South Australians bombarded police social media demanding sacking

    Daily Mail.

  39. calli

    Well, at least it wasn’t a bottle of Grange.

    No harm done.

  40. Oh come on

    The deal with limpy is that he is neither ideological nor principled. He is simply anti-Trump. He’ll criticise Trump from the left, the right, however he can, doesn’t matter. One day he’ll be the most dovish of libertarians, decrying warmongering Trump. The next day he’ll be John Bolton’s greatest defender.

    No point talking to limpy.

  41. JC

    OCO, the Syrian Kurds did all the heavy lifting against ISIL. The USA owes them some ongoing support – maybe not men in boots on the ground, but in pressure on Turkey to behave.

    But the US/Trump is doing that. He’s stated very clearly if Turkey cross the line, they will be sanctioned to smithereens. He maybe bluffing, but it’s not the sort of bet you want to take with Trump… unlike the Kenyan.

    Personally, I wished the US would stay, but I can also understand the desire to get the fuck out of there. In any event, Erdogen needs to think really hard before he pulls a stunt.

  42. Roger

    Peter,

    Don’t pretend ignore my post above re Plato & Sartre.

    Look them up, since you are evidently not familiar with them.

    Then kindly admit your mistake.

  43. Deplorable

    PS. I’m sorry to burst this old bubble but a few FNQ tribes DID boil water in large sea shells as observed/documented by Dr Walter Edmund Roth (late 1800’s).
    The reason for boiling the water was never explained as far as I know.

    Was it to do the dishes?

  44. Arky

    Even if you pump those honour killings up to 200 to include the self- immolations and shit, that’s only like 2 cases per 100 000, which is only a little over double the Australian homicide rate.

  45. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘Word salad’

    Iampudenda used my word.

    So proud. So, so proud.

  46. JC

    Arky
    #3179590, posted on October 9, 2019 at 5:24 pm

    Even if you pump those honour killings up to 200 to include the self- immolations and shit, that’s only like 2 cases per 100 000, which is only a little over double the Australian homicide rate.

    What’s the point, Arky? Real question.

  47. Delcon

    While I agree that avoiding a Kurdish refugee influx over here is hardly the most important consideration in the current situation in Northern Syria, maybe it will demonstrate why even us, as far away as we are, should have an interest in maintaining peace in that part of the world. I hardly think that if the US special forces troops would not have bolted like a bunch of panicked schoolgirls, presumably at the request of Erdogan, that Erdogan would have attacked the Kurds, risking direct confrontation with US troops.
    (By the way, for those who forgot: the lovely Farhad Khalil Mohammad Jabar, who carried out the terrorist attack on the police station in Parramatta in 2015, was of Kurdish background.)

  48. Knuckle Dragger

    I’m going to the pub.

    Betcha pudenda’s still here explaining his inherent genius and why the whole world’s wrong except for him when I get back.

  49. Oh come on

    OCO, the Syrian Kurds did all the heavy lifting against ISIL.

    What do you base this claim on? It’s certainly not true in the case of IS in Iraq. In any case, the YPG was not fighting IS for us. They had their own reasons to fight them. It just so happened that, for a time, the YPG and the West’s interests aligned. The arrangement was mutually beneficial. Now that IS has largely been defeated, our interests no longer align. It suits the Syrian Kurds to claim that we’ve always been allies, but this is simply not true.

  50. Steve trickler

    Human beings kicking into gear. I guess you can fathom the emotions going through peoples heads, upon hearing this.



  51. Roger

    I know it sounds boring, but it could be revolutionary.

    It is revolutionary.

    Meantime, we’re stuck with Philip Lowe.

  52. Arky

    What’s the point, Arky? Real question.

    ..
    I don’t have a point. I know little about the kurds, but I like doing maths to figure stuff out.
    I Googled Kurds + homicide rates + Australia because I wanted to know if they figured one way or another. Curiosity.
    Then I Googled Kurds + Iraq + homicide rates and a thing from UNHCR via Canada came up and allowed me to do some calculations.
    That is all.

  53. Boambee John

    Mother Lode
    #3179485, posted on October 9, 2019 at 3:14 pm
    Young people need to look at the facts about the true state of the world

    Joanne Tran, The Daily Telegraph October 8, 2019

    Bless her.

    Hopefully a few more ‘Aussie’ kids listen to this descendant of migrants.

    Only just graduated High School too. Wow!

    Shows up Greta the Mouth for the shallow thinker that she is.

  54. bespoke

    Helen
    #3179311, posted on October 9, 2019 at 12:04 pm
    That would be Leak – gad I must be the worst speller on the cat!

    👀 Is that a Challenge?

  55. Arky

    I spent two hours last night compiling all the executions by electric chair I could find into decades.

  56. jupes

    From Calli’s link above:

    Jamie Clements told ICAC he did not think the cash to cover legal fees was unusual

    No doubt it wasn’t “unusual”. Just corrupt.

    In other words: business as usual.

  57. Steve trickler

    A follow up to the above.



  58. RobK

    I spent two hours last night compiling all the executions by electric chair I could find into decades.
    That’s a lot of armadillos.

  59. Jamie Clements told ICAC he did not think the cash to cover legal fees was unusual

    Ah, the good old days of being paid by negotiable cheques, just pull a few of ’em out of the drawer when you need to.

  60. jupes
    #3179569, posted on October 9, 2019 at 5:07 pm

    – the Free Syrian Army is shot through with Musssslim Brotherhood people from top to bottom. They are not our friends

    No no. They would make great dinky di Aussies and we should invite them to live here.

    Isn’t that right Dot.

    Great, now give a speech how the Saudis aren’t our friends either, and how your barber is a Muslim.

  61. jupes
    #3179569, posted on October 9, 2019 at 5:07 pm

    – the Free Syrian Army is shot through with Musssslim Brotherhood people from top to bottom. They are not our friends

    No no. They would make great dinky di Aussies and we should invite them to live here.

    Isn’t that right Dot.

    If I say “I like pies”, that doesn’t mean “I like pies with rotten meat”.

    Great.

    Now give a speech how the Saudis aren’t our friends either, and how your barber is a “Musssslim”, who doesn’t count etc.

  62. Arky

    1964 seems to be the year the world started to go bad.
    They stopped executing people and crime rates skyrocketed.
    1948 was the peak year for boomers being born, so in 1964 your median boomer was 16 and living in a world where for the first time there was no longer a death penalty.
    Naturally things spiralled out of control from then on.

  63. Oh come on

    In fact, the West was nominally a Turk/Syrian Kurdish opponent due to pre-Erdogan Turkey being a very important NATO member, and the Turks have been fighting their insurgent Kurdish population for decades. The Kurds fighting for independence from Turkey were aligned with the Soviets during the Cold War, which is why virtually all of the Syrian/Turkish Kurdish military and political groupings are at least nominally communist today.

  64. Making something illegal, that you don’t have a right to engage in anyway, like murder or theft, is NOT restricting or “qualifying” anyone. You don’t have that right anyway.

    So then an employer and employee have a right to negotiate conditions more favourable to the employee than at will employment.

    Do you agree?

    Given that like the minimum wage, which puts people out of work, leaves only those employers would employ anyway with productivity ABOVE that of the minimum wage, we can conclude that Ridd would have gained favourable terms, despite draconian anti-employer legislation.

    Do you agree?

  65. Arky

    We should stop blaming boomers.
    It was the greatest gen.
    They came home from WW2 and squirted out way too many children, who they then refused to speak to at all, and then the abolished the death penalty just when the majority of those kids reached rebellious punk age.

  66. John Constantine

    44 year old democrat billionaire diversity.

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/andrew-yang-the-eighth-likely-final-democrat-on-the-november-debate-stage

    Yang, whose growing and enthusiastic base of support is wildly underrepresented in the media, may benefit if he can cut through the noise, but the media has seen what the rest of the second tier has to offer. So far, they’re just not buying it.

  67. Arky:

    Surely there is some way with the kurds?

    Arky, don’t worry about the Kurds. Everyone in the Middle East hates them because they are shit stirrers. Wherever they go they cause dissension, foment trouble, lie and cheat.
    They are the Roma of the ME.
    The Brits have been in firefights with the Iraqis on several occasions because the Kurds get between them and shoot at both sides, then the Kurds wander off larfing their guts out as the two sides have a ding dong for no reason at all.
    The Kurds are manipulators – the fact the media love them should give you some idea of what shitheads they are.

  68. JC

    I’m not sure you could follow that cause and effect, Arky. A lot of kids were born post war, there was also big increase in the use of drugs in the 60s. There was the 60s social revolution. marriage destruction occurred from that point on. Heavy duty welfare was introduced.

    At the micro level, the average criminal put on death row is not that smart nor forward looking. Also, even with their limited brain capacity they don’t think they will be caught, for the most part, and wouldn’t give too much thought to the consequences. At the margin, the death sentence may act as a deterrent, but I’d guess it wouldn’t be that material.

    The one thing about capital punishment is that it acts as retribution and retribution is a good thing. The victims of these heinous animals are able to get justice, even from their graves.

  69. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    We should stop blaming boomers.
    It was the greatest gen.

    Arky wants to blame greatest gen. IT and others want to blame the baby boomers.
    Meanwhile, the actual movers and shakers continue to laugh all the way to the bank.

    Divide and conquer. It has always worked and and always will.

  70. Infidel Tiger

    We should stop blaming boomers.
    It was the greatest gen.
    They came home from WW2 and squirted out way too many children, who they then refused to speak to at all, and then the abolished the death penalty just when the majority of those kids reached rebellious punk age.

    There is much truth in this.

    The Greatest Generation were terrific lifters but perhaps not very good parents after the horrors they had been through.

    The Boomers are the end result. An easy life with no guidance leads to this.

    (NOTE TO SELF: Business idea – Boomer Euthanasia Cruises $$$$)

  71. Steve Allen blamed his OWN generation.

    That is, one of the “greatest generation” blamed his own cohort for their raising of (fuckin’) boomers.

    Famous Actor Regrets How He Raised His Baby Boomer Kids

    The speaker is Steve Allen, actor, comic, writer, musician, creator of The Tonight Show and so much more. The dialogue with him was recorded in 1989….

  72. Calli:

    Winston, have you gone completely Cuban?

    It was a horrible choice, Calli. I didn’t want to do it, but it was either that or Brazilian.

  73. calli

    They came home from WW2 and squirted out way too many children, who they then refused to speak to at all,

    This is a sad truth. The Beloved’s father barely strung two words together. His father, a Light Horse veteran, was even worse.

    A very difficult role model and something the Beloved still struggles with.

    Fortunately the women in the family are great communicators. 😁

  74. DrBeauGan

    Winston Smith
    #3179362, posted on October 9, 2019 at 12:54 pm
    Dr Beaugan:
    The $Z100,000,000,000 cap has arrived!
    Ta muchly. I shall wear it to the next cat do.

    Huzzah!

    I hope that you don’t get into terrible trouble for telling me your postal address. Stimpy thought it a dreadful risk and not worth taking.

  75. Top Ender

    The one thing about capital punishment is that it acts as retribution and retribution is a good thing. The victims of these heinous animals are able to get justice, even from their graves.

    Very true JC.

    Up here in the Top End we have one Bradley Murdoch, who killed Peter Falconio, tried to kill Joanne Lees, and to this day refuses to say where Falconio’s body is. Somewhere in the scrub 150 metres off the Stuart Highway is the best guess, and long since disappeared.

    Why we keep Murdoch living, at vast expense to the community, is beyond me.

  76. Iampeter

    The moment you accused Christians and Catholics in particular of being collectivists, it demonstrated to everyone here you’re a complete fake and have no business discussing libertarian philosophy or any philosophy for that matter.. You have no basic understanding what collectivism means unable to distinguish that term from free association. You’re a fake and a communist.

    Oh wow. It’s so simple. You just forgot to make any argument supporting your case. You forgot to explain how an ideology with a holiest symbol that is literally human sacrifice was not collectivist.

    You are the fake and for all intents and purposes, a communist.

  77. Oh come on

    It’s pretty funny that ‘boomer’ has become a pejorative in internet meme culture. Well-deserved, too.

    As I have said many times, there are plenty of individual Boomers who lead perfectly dignified, respectable lives. They aren’t the problem. It’s Boomer *values* that are so repugnant. Many Boomers have no truck at all with the utterly self-indulgent, self-absorbed values that characterise their generation.

    Here’s how you tell a good Boomer from bad. Ask them how they feel about the Millennial generation. The bad Boomer will, in typically self-serving fashion, praise Millennial values to the hilt and declare themselves to be boundlessly optimistic about Millenials taking charge. As well they would, as Millennial values are a direct offshoot of Boomer values, so bad Boomers cannot do anything but fawn over their abhorrent creation.

    OTOH, good Boomers call out the weak, pathetic, doctrinaire, herd-like Millennial values.

  78. Tel

    We should stop blaming boomers.
    It was the greatest gen.

    Anyone calling themselves “greatest” should be treated with at least a little bit of suspicion.

    Other than Mohammed Ali … who only said it to annoy the white people.

  79. Roger

    The one thing about capital punishment is that it acts as retribution and retribution is a good thing. The victims of these heinous animals are able to get justice, even from their graves.

    Not so much retribution, I would argue, but the satisfaction of justice or, in common parlance, the sentence should fit the crime.

    When murderers are given prison sentences and eventually paroled as a matter of course and not because there were extenuating circumstances which might mitigate their sentence, the value of life is inevitably cheapened.

    The ancient law stills rings true in our hearts: Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed.

  80. Eyrie

    Regarding Kurds, search for Tom Kratman’s opinion of them. Just another bunch of Arabs but with better P.R.

  81. calli

    Hard to pin down, OCO.

    Sure, many Milennials are totally self-absorbed halfwits. But, and it’s a big but. The ones I know personally are the hardest working kids I have ever seen. They put me to shame at the same age. They put in the hours. The dads are hands on, and really enjoy their childrens’ company.

    I can think of only a handful who sponge off their parents. And it’s the parents’ fault for indulging them.

    On the Climate Change issue, it’s another thing. They believe it. which is odd, because they are far more cynical and worldly-wise than I ever was.

  82. JC

    Oh wow. It’s so simple. You just forgot to make any argument supporting your case. You forgot to explain how an ideology with a holiest symbol that is literally human sacrifice was not collectivist.

    Really, are you this fucking stupid that you can even see this, you tiring dunce? No member of any Christian grouping is compelled to remain if they desire to leave. Collectivism by its very nature is state based and violence is threatened against the person if they don’t obey commands. That’s collectivism. Free association is NOT the same thing. A 10 year old would understand the difference when its explained to them in this way.

    And I did explain it by stating that you are unable tom distinguish between collectivism and free association, you pretentious, low wattage sniper. By your reckoning a vintage car club would be collectivist.

    You are the fake and for all intents and purposes, a communist.

    Even worse, faker, you’re not even original. You use the exact same words I have used to describe you in previous posts. It’s actually a tardy form of plagiarism. Also, it’s not flattering because it’s you.

    As I said, you’re done here. Now fuck off and stop wasting everyone’s time with your stupid bullshit.

  83. Roger

    Where is Iampeter?

    Hoist with his own petard?

    I’ll take his avoidance of my point about Plato and Sartre and his contuing resort to the pathetic ad hom insult as a de facto admission of error.

    He’s not a Randian, he’s just a troll.

  84. Oldish article.

    Is it just me, or is it getting crazier out there?

    https://pluralist.com/consent-dear-prudence-husband/

    Honk honk.

    🤡🌎

  85. thefrollickingmole

    Imapenis in full debate mode, from about 40 seconds in.

  86. Bruce of Newcastle

    (NOTE TO SELF: Business idea – Boomer Euthanasia Cruises $$$$)

    More money in Millenial Save The Planet Euthanasia Cruises.
    Bucket list the sights then do your bit to save them.
    And 2nd class tickets for the neutering-only option.

  87. DrBeauGan

    Iamp, the shortest official statement of what it is to be a Christian is the Nicene creed. There is nothing in it about the supremacy of the state or the collective. I infer that it is possible to be a Christian and not be a collectivist.

    Interpretations of the meaning and significance of the crucifix are various and ambiguous. That makes deductions from it about the beliefs of all Christians very shaky indeed.

    I am assuming in writing this that you are sincere and not just trolling. It’s not an assumption in which I have much faith, but I’m a charitable bloke.

  88. Delcon

    JC, I asked him before if he ever made a post which did not include criticism of another poster. He ignored my question.
    His MO seems to be to attack other posters based on abstract terms. He never seems to articulate in a concrete way what he *does* believe, but rather uses the vague and abstract to attack others, without offering any concrete ideas of his own.

  89. Top Ender

    Q: How does Saddam Hussein resemble Little Miss Muffet?

    A: They both had curds in their whey.

  90. Old School Conservative

    Oh Come On, I am enjoying your analysis of Syria etc etc.
    The GOAT (Tony Abbott) had a wonderful explanation of the politics and intersecting tribes. “Baddies versus Baddies.”

  91. calli

    TE. That was horrid!

    I like it.

  92. bespoke

    Not sure about Capital punishment since the system makes mistakes i.e. [email protected]

  93. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Not sure about Capital punishment since the system makes mistakes i.e. [email protected]

    Lindy Chamberlain?

  94. DrBeauGan

    Winston, that’s a magnificent new avatar you have there.

  95. Arky

    Iamp, the shortest official statement of what it is to be a Christian is the Nicene creed. There is nothing in it about the supremacy of the state or the collective. I infer that it is possible to be a Christian and not be a collectivist.

    ..
    Spot on.
    ..

    Winston, that’s a magnificent new avatar you have there.

    ..
    Needs to smile.

  96. Gab

    the shortest official statement of what it is to be a Christian is the Nicene creed

    No, it’s the Apostolic Creed.

  97. DrBeauGan

    bespoke
    #3179653, posted on October 9, 2019 at 6:55 pm
    Not sure about Capital punishment since the system makes mistakes i.e. [email protected]

    It’s a matter of arithmetic, bespoke. Which leads to more innocent people getting killed, a fallible death penalty or keeping murderers alive and then releasing them on parole? I’ve seen numbers implying that the second choice leads to many more dead innocents.

  98. bespoke

    Lindy Chamberlain?

    Yep and many more.

  99. DrBeauGan

    .
    No, it’s the Apostolic Creed.

    That depends on what you think official means, Gab. This from Wikipedia:

    Because of the early origin of its original form, it does not address some Christological issues defined in the Nicene and other Christian creeds. It thus says nothing explicitly about the divinity of either Jesus or the Holy Spirit. Nor does it address many other theological questions which became objects of dispute centuries later.

  100. Gab

    They are both valid but the Apostolic Creed is shorter.

  101. JC

    His MO seems to be to attack other posters based on abstract terms. He never seems to articulate in a concrete way what he *does* believe, but rather uses the vague and abstract to attack others, without offering any concrete ideas of his own.

    Yea I know. He’s totally dishonest because I think it comes from an idiot who doesn’t really know why he thinks in a certain way.

    In any event, the psychiatric facility where he resides needs to work on this problem.

  102. feelthebern

    Joel Fitzgibbon now wears glasses.
    Better keep the egghead.

  103. Tintarella di Luna

    Thank you Top Ender for posting the article by the young Joanne Tran which appeared in yesterday’s Daily Telegraph.

    I saw that young woman interviewed by Peta Credlin and Alan Jones earlier this year – a very impressive young woman, grounded in reality, articulate and smart. A student at Burwood Girls High School. I hope the very best for her, she is a strong-minded individual who’s resisted the group think.

  104. DrBeauGan

    Wikipedia isn’t a source that can be relied upon, but neither is it uniformly wrong, Gab. And the apostolic creed is shorter because it leaves out some articles of faith. The Nicene creed supersedes it.

    On the other hand, there is no version of a Christian creed which stipulates the supremacy of the collective, although iamp may be searching for one.

  105. Delcon

    JC
    #3179664, posted on October 9, 2019 at 7:08 pm

    Yea I know. He’s totally dishonest because I think it comes from an idiot who doesn’t really know why he thinks in a certain way.

    In any event, the psychiatric facility where he resides needs to work on this problem.

    “Yes, but dishonest doesn’t mean what you and everyone else think it does.”
    “Yes, but idiot doesn’t mean what you and everyone else think it does.”
    “Yes, but psychiatric facility doesn’t mean what you and everyone else think it does.”

    – Probably something like what he is typing right now.

  106. cohenite

    That inbred maggot joel fitzgibbin rabbiting on about emissions and bushfires on bolta.

    Our political class should be shot (with dandelions), without exception, except for Roberts, Latham, and our Pauline.

  107. feelthebern

    Wow.
    As I was looking up that Simpson clip, there was a vid on how Tom Cruise was actually flying the chopper in a lot of the scenes in the last Mission Impossible movie.
    How good is it when an actor does their own stunts.
    Doesn’t make a bad movie.

  108. 2dogs

    how an ideology with a holiest symbol that is literally human sacrifice was not collectivist

    I think I can safely show that Christianity has a polyarchist foundation:

    1. The covenant starts with Moses, where God, in Exodus is bringing his people out of the control of Pharoah and under self-rule. So the very foundation of the Judeo-Christian faith is an act of Separatism. Any denial of separatism can therefore be seen as being in opposition to the way of God.

    2. When God’s faith is subsequently corrupted, his people are divided into Israel and Judah.

    3. The punishment for sinners that is advocated by Christ is shunning (Matthew 18:17). The Christian is to separate themselves from the wrong-doer.

    You are with Christ or you are not, but you always have the choice to not be with Christ.

    Collectivism does not, in general, tolerate the existence of outsiders and apostates in this way.

  109. JC

    On the other hand, there is no version of a Christian creed which stipulates the supremacy of the collective, although iamp may be searching for one.

    Doc, I’m not one for religion. My understanding has always been the relationship one has with God is the essence of Christian faith. That’s the measure of a person as an individual. It’s the opposite what the facility occupant suggests.

  110. feelthebern

    Yeah but he’s wearing glasses cohenite.

  111. bespoke

    DrBG

    With the law moving away from “innocent until proven guilty” I just don’t know.

  112. JC

    yea Delcon… In other words he himself is a collectivist.

  113. mh

    Looks like Iampeter’s big day out on the Open Forum went predictably.

    If a Randian society or the Soros Open Society are sending him on here to change minds, then I’m not aware of him succeeding with one person.

    Peter, there are better things you could be doing online. Like watching porn.

  114. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Bastard act’: Manhunt over fire which claimed 30 homes

    The police arson squad is investigating “suspicious activity” regarding the source of the blaze which has razed the town of Rappville with a NSW minister describing it as a “bastard act”.
    Georgia Clark and Campbell Gellie, The Daily Telegraph
    October 9, 2019 6:26pm

    POLICE are hunting for the person who may have deliberately lit the inferno that has destroyed 30 homes and razed more than 90,000 hectares in NSW’s north with the emergency services minister describing the potential arson as a truly “bastard act”.

    The out-of-control blaze, which has torn through the town of Rappville, currently has a firefront of more than 20 kilometres.

    Local police, the state crime command arson squad and rural police are all investigating the source of the blaze as wild and windy weather conditions continued to spur on 51 fires across the state.

    “We are treating it as suspicious,” Superintendent Toby Lindsay said.

    Speaking of the death penalty..

  115. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Iampenis is the boringest bore. Flipping through this thread today was like driving through the slushy backstreets of Moscow on a dull day in 1948 in the rain. Thankfully the evening is freed up for better things as the only right-whinger in the Catallaxy village has now been neatly suicided by JC above.

    Sadly, Former Person None is still deep-sixed.
    I somehow do not think that lady is for recanting.
    I’d swap iampenis for None any day.

  116. thefrollickingmole

    Im sure their ABC will lead with this story and call for a royal commission into such practices. any. minute. now…

    The perfect ALP story, cartons of cash, and a sexual pervert on the loose..
    RTWT

    Huang Xiangmo gave former NSW Labor boss $35,000 to fight harassment allegations, Icac told
    Jamie Clements tells inquiry the Chinese billionaire gave him a wine box full of cash to cover his legal bills over sexual harassment allegations

    Chinese billionaire Huang Xiangmo gave a wine box full of $35,000 cash to then New South Wales Labor boss Jamie Clements to help him cover legal bills to fight allegations of sexual harassment, an inquiry has heard.

    The explosive revelations were made during Clements’ evidence to the independent commission against corruption, which is investigating whether Huang, a banned donor, gave $100,000 cash to the Labor party.

    In 2015, Clements was facing allegations he tried to kiss a 27-year-old Labor staffer in a parliament house office.

    The inquiry heard that Huang, then chairman of a group linked to the Chinese Communist Party, invited Clements to his home in Mosman in August 2015. He took him upstairs to a room he had not previously been in.

    He then gave Clements $35,000 in cash to help pay his legal bills for an apprehended violence order sought by the complainant in the sexual harassment matter, the inquiry heard.

    The cash was in a wine box, stacked full of $100 notes.

    “He had a wine box and he opened it, there was cash in it and he had a piece of paper hand written in English that said ‘for your legal fees’,” he said.

    “He closed the box, screwed the piece of paper up and we walked down and had a cup of tea.”

    Asked whether he was surprised at being given the money, Clements responded:

    “Well he paid Sam [Dastyari’s] legal fees, so I suppose I wasn’t.”

  117. thefrollickingmole

    I think its safe to assume the Chinese have the goods on every ALP member in the state, and quite a few federally as well.

    How fucking stupid is this??

    The commission heard that Clements used a suite belonging to Huang to run the consultancy, and paid no rent to Huang.

    The office was also on the same floor as the Australian Council for the Promotion of the Peaceful Reunification of China, which Icac heard was a front organisation for the Chinese Communist party.

    Wired for sound, but no Cliff Richard in sight.

  118. Gab

    DrBG, the Apostolic Creed was written around c180 AD while the longer version, the Nicene Creed, was approved by the First Council of Nicaea in 381 AD. As I said the former is shorter but both are valid and both are said at Mass at differing times.

  119. Gab

    That should be 325AD. It was amended in 381AD by the First Council of Constantinople.

  120. Bruce of Newcastle

    Peter, there are better things you could be doing online.

    Playing Fortnite!

    Epic Games sued for not warning parents ‘Fortnite’ is allegedly as addictive as cocaine (8 Oct)

    Roughly a quarter of a billion mostly obsessed gamers are battling it out in “Fortnite.” There’s a darn decent chance kids you know are among them.

    A Montreal-based law firm launched a proposed class action in Canada on behalf of two Quebec parents who claim that “Fortnite” publisher Epic Games needs to pay the price for a third-person shooter they allege is as addictive, and potentially harmful, as cocaine.

    The firm, Calex Légal, represents plaintiffs who are identified only by their initials, FN and JZ. They are the parents of a 10- and 15-year-old, respectively.

    It’s a hell of a drug.

  121. feelthebern

    (NOTE TO SELF: Business idea – Boomer Euthanasia Cruises $$$$)

    I think Bill Burr has a bit about this.
    Part of his thinning the herd bit.

  122. Delcon

    JC
    #3179675, posted on October 9, 2019 at 7:22 pm

    yea Delcon… In other words he himself is a collectivist.

    He seems to me to have one shtick in this blog: Informing other posters that while they don’t realise it, they are actually Left-wingers, and that he is the real Right-winger. That seems to sum up the many posts of his that I’ve seen here. Never seen a different post of his, nor any explanation how he is actually a Right-winger. Whatever. There has been too many posters here banned in the last few days already, if you ask me. Let him just continue to come over and post his nonsense, and ignore him.

  123. feelthebern

    Less Iampenis.
    More monty.

  124. A Montreal-based law firm launched a proposed class action in Canada on behalf of two Quebec parents

    The firm and parents are scum.

    Go and get a real job!

  125. bespoke

    “Epic Games sued for not warning parents ‘Fortnite’ is allegedly as addictive as cocaine (8 Oct)”

    Or “Lazy parents blame others”

  126. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    As explained so well in Amor Towles’ great novel ‘A Gentleman in Moscow’, being ‘deep-sixed’ during the Soviet era meant you could not enter any of the six major cities on pain of death, nor could you gain employment in any other.

    Hah! Hairy just told me that Killary is now boasting that if she ran again she would win.

    It’s like Britain taking the Brexit vote all over again. Vote you peons until you get it right. Wot the EU does. They have form in this.

    Now coming to an American election near you?

  127. JC

    calli
    #3179570, posted on October 9, 2019 at 5:07 pm

    Thanks for that, JC. I’m going to be buying some USD in the next few weeks. I assume that I should hold off for a while?

    Calli, just saw that.

    The trade war just reignited overnight and that isn’t good for the Aussie dollar. The Aussie is a really hard pick at the moment because if China heads south, the Aussie Dollar will be in deep shit with or no QE in the US. Don’t forget the US QE’ed mega in the GFC and for a long time after….and the Aussie lost 30% of its value where there was no QE.

  128. JC

    There has been too many posters here banned in the last few days already, if you ask me.

    Other than None, who also got the size 10 hobnail boot?

  129. Anyone else see the GE Finance “Latitude” IPO?

    They’re using “non-standard” metrics. Sure, these might be more useful, but why not just give a forecast PE ratio? Why use enterprise value?

  130. DrBeauGan

    . DrBG, the Apostolic Creed was written around c180 AD while the longer version, the Nicene Creed, was approved by the First Council of Nicaea in 381 AD. As I said the former is shorter but both are valid and both are said at Mass at differing times.

    Yes, I know, Gab, but the Nicene creed defines what it means to be a Christian, in many Christians’ eyes, and the apostolic creed omits some items. That doesn’t make it invalid, but it stops it being definitive.

  131. “Epic Games sued for not warning parents ‘Fortnite’ is allegedly as addictive as cocaine (8 Oct)”

    Lol, there are parents who can’t just haul a teenager out of their room?
    And they’re suing somebody for this?
    Seriously?

  132. Lol, there are parents who can’t just haul a teenager out of their room?
    And they’re suing somebody for this?
    Seriously?

    This is clown world we’re in now.

    Epic Games has simply to out crazy them.

  133. Iampeter

    No member of any Christian grouping is compelled to remain if they desire to leave.

    That’s because today’s Christians don’t take their religion seriously.

    Collectivism by its very nature is state based and violence is threatened against the person if they don’t obey commands.

    So you should agree an ideology that literally sacrifices individuals for the greater good is collectivist.

    And I did explain it by stating that you are unable tom distinguish between collectivism and free association, you pretentious, low wattage sniper.

    Collectivism is about any rights violations, not just freedom of association. You throw so many insults around precisely because you resent being exposed for such a superficial simpleton.

    You use the exact same words I have used to describe you in previous posts. It’s actually a tardy form of plagiarism. Also, it’s not flattering because it’s you.

    Yea it didn’t come across with the right intonation over internet text.
    What I meant to say was, the reality is that YOU are a fake and for all intents and purposes a communist.
    None of the child-level stuff you’ve posted here has changed that fact in any way.

  134. Delcon

    JC
    #3179693, posted on October 9, 2019 at 7:50 pm

    There has been too many posters here banned in the last few days already, if you ask me.

    Other than None, who also got the size 10 hobnail boot?

    I meant None.

  135. Iampeter

    Less Iampenis.
    More monty.

    Yea it’s a lot easier to pretend to be discussing politics with someone who is as wrong as you are on almost everything.
    Although Monty doesn’t need to have the fact that he’s a leftists explained to him…

  136. Gab

    So now the Apostolic Creed doesn’t “define” what it means to be a Christian? Uh-huh. LOL.

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  138. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Wikipedia was quite good last nite on the topic of the most gruesome forms of capital punishment. Graphic descriptions, historically wide ranging and quite up-to-date. 🙂

    Don’t nag me with your passive aggression, Bespoke. Come right out with it like a man.

    Promise I won’t correct your spelling

  139. Overburdened

    And you may have thought that irony was dead.

    A full kit South Australian registered Toyota troopie vintage early 1990’s with boards, rods and trailer carrying a sticker in northern NSW saying, no future for big oil in the Great Australian Bight.

    Fuckwits on wheels.

  140. bespoke

    almost everything

    Be grateful you plebs Iampeter gives you that.

  141. Iampeter

    Serious question, Iampeter: of the many posts you made in this blog, have you ever made a post which does not include some form of criticism of fellow posters here?

    Who cares? Most posters here are more than “critical” of me.

    Oh but you’ve just reminded me I meant to respond to your exceptionalism from earlier in the thread:

    To me (and you may disagree, as this is based on intuition only), your belief that Cardinal Pell is guilty of the ridiculously-implausible allegations levelled against him suggests that you are a militant atheist and/or a statist.

    Firstly, I made it pretty clear in those threads that I personally wouldn’t have found Pell guilty. I was just arguing that you need principles and that just because you disagree with a verdict doesn’t mean conspiracy. This was especially rich coming from corrupt Catholics.

    Secondly, the fact that you would somehow connect anyone’s opinion on the Pell case with whether they are a statist, or militant atheists, or something, demonstrates such a total lack of understanding of this subject that I’m pretty much speechless. You might just be the most disintegrated thinker I’ve met here and that’s REALLY saying something.

    This is the cat so I expect breathtaking stupidity but I think you won this thread with that comment.

  142. calli

    Okay. I need to get my Cat smiley stamp.

    Little grandson (10) started worriting about “Greenhouse Gases”. He wouldn’t have a clue what they are, poor poppet.

    Don’t bother about that stuff, sez I. If you want to make the planet a nicer place, pick up the rubbish and put it in the bin. Eyes lit up. So the two little fellows started working out ways to tidy up their street.

    And that’s how it’s done.

  143. DrBeauGan

    . Doc, I’m not one for religion. My understanding has always been the relationship one has with God is the essence of Christian faith. That’s the measure of a person as an individual. It’s the opposite what the facility occupant suggests.

    Me neither, I’m not a Christian, nor any other religion. I’m a cultural Christian, I was baptised as a Catholic and raised in the church of England. And very glad of it. And a core element of those ideas is that God cares about us as individuals, something iamp appears to have missed.

    Iamp is almost certainly a rather ineffectual troll.

  144. Iampeter

    almost everything

    Be grateful you plebs Iampeter gives you that.

    No I was giving that to Monty. He’s not as stupid or left wing as most of you tards.

  145. Little grandson (10) started worriting about “Greenhouse Gases”. He wouldn’t have a clue what they are, poor poppet.

    Get him to study STEM or get a trade.

    Why?

    There is work to do in the future!

  146. P

    DrBG, the Apostolic Creed was written around c180 AD while the longer version, the Nicene Creed, was approved by the First Council of Nicaea in 381 AD. As I said the former is shorter but both are valid and both are said at Mass at differing times.

    I agree. Also, The Rosary begins with the Apostles’ Creed said on the Crucifix.

  147. Overburdened

    Iampeter

    I make this one exception to directly address a fool.

    The reason why everyone criticises you, as you say, is because you are a dickhead.

    No further communication.

  148. DrBeauGan

    . Gab
    #3179701, posted on October 9, 2019 at 7:56 pm
    So now the Apostolic Creed doesn’t “define” what it means to be a Christian? Uh-huh. LOL.

    No. Because the official Christian doctrine is that it is incomplete. That’s why the Nicene creed exists

  149. Iampeter

    He seems to me to have one shtick in this blog: Informing other posters that while they don’t realise it, they are actually Left-wingers, and that he is the real Right-winger.

    That’s not “shtick” dummy.
    When someone’s positions essentially amount to, “we oppose socialism, we just want the state to centrally plan everything. You just don’t understand Iampeter!” there’s really nothing else to discuss. It’s beyond parody.

    Conservatives today are complete leftists but with insufficient understanding of politics to even realize this.
    That’s a big deal. That should be getting a lot of discussion on any serious political blog.
    The sorry state of political discourse today is the elephant in the room.

    Unless of course you’re just a bunch of politically illiterate posers, trying to pretend to be smarter than you really are. Then facts like this are an inconvenience to be shouted down with a combination of rage, bluster, condescension, failed trolling, projection, instults and whatever…

  150. Iampeter

    Iampeter

    I make this one exception to directly address a fool.

    The reason why everyone criticises you, as you say, is because you are a dickhead.

    No further communication.

    No mate. You are all dickheads here.
    The reason you are criticizing me is because how easily I expose how clueless you are.
    Buncha uninformed crackpots pretending to be aficionado’s.

    You’re not fooling anyone dumbass.

  151. Top Ender

    Speaking of things nautical and death, if I remember rightly, in the Tasmanian Museum there is a ducking box.

    Particularly annoying convicts, on the way to Australia from Britain, could be sentenced to a session in the box.

    It’s about two metres high, rectangular, and about a metre in the other dimensions. You put your convict in it, and close the front door. (Sort of like an iron maiden)

    Then have your box suspended at the end of a leeward yard, and as the ship heaved, the box would be dipped into the sea. There were drain holes periodically spaced so the convict could get a good sousing but it would not completely drown him.

    No word on how many survived a session. I’ll see if I can get a picture.

  152. The Thorium Molten-Salt Reactor: Why Didn’t This Happen (and why is now the right time?)

    GoogleTechTalks
    309K subscribers
    Google Tech Talk

    December 16, 2011

    Presented by Kirk Sorensen

    (PS the sound quality is god awful in the introduction but it goes away when Kirk starts talking)

    [PS – got the book on Mill’s hydrino theory today:

    https://www.amazon.com/Randell-Mills-Search-Hydrino-Energy/dp/0692760059

    Randell Mills and the Search for Hydrino Energy Paperback – August 31, 2016
    by Brett Holverstott (Author)]

  153. calli

    My understanding is that the Nicene Creed was formulated to combat the Arian heresy. It expands on the nature of Christ, amongst other things.

    It’s almost fifty years since I first learned it, as part of my confirmation training. Both the creeds dwell on different aspects of the faith, with several threads intersecting.

    They attempt to express the inexpressible.

    Christianity is both intensely personal and essentially corporate – we must personally exhibit saving faith in Christ and obey him by worshiping him as part of his body, the Church.

  154. candy

    Conservatives today are complete leftists

    Iampeter, where did you come across this idea that conservatives are left of politics? Did someone give you that idea or you knew someone who said that they were a conservative and turns out they were a socialist?

    Because it’s extraordinary. To me, it’s like someone telling me the moon landing did not happen or George Bush organised the massacres at the Trade Centre. You know, it’s an extreme viewpoint, to which you are fully entitled of course but it’s very difficult to absorb.

  155. calli

    I’m a dickhead.

    And proud of it.

    There are worse things to be.

  156. Delcon

    I’m going to violate my own advice to other Cats and reply to your post, since you have addressed it to me personally.

    Serious question, Iampeter: of the many posts you made in this blog, have you ever made a post which does not include some form of criticism of fellow posters here?

    Who cares? Most posters here are more than “critical” of me.

    Other posters (including me) may be very critical of you, but, still, they (and me) also post other posts with content which does not include any attacks on other Cats. So, back to my questions: have you ever posted other posts with content which does not include any attacks on others? If yes, could you please provide link/s.

    Next.

    Oh but you’ve just reminded me I meant to respond to your exceptionalism from earlier in the thread:

    To me (and you may disagree, as this is based on intuition only), your belief that Cardinal Pell is guilty of the ridiculously-implausible allegations levelled against him suggests that you are a militant atheist and/or a statist.

    … the fact that you would somehow connect anyone’s opinion on the Pell case with whether they are a statist, or militant atheists, or something, demonstrates such a total lack of understanding of this subject that I’m pretty much speechless. You might just be the most disintegrated thinker I’ve met here and that’s REALLY saying something…This is the cat so I expect breathtaking stupidity but I think you won this thread with that comment

    So my comment linking your political ideology to your view on Pell’s verdict is “breathtaking stupid”, is it? Except that in my comment there is a part which appears also in your quote of my quote, and I have bolded for your benefit, whereby I make it clear that there is *no* analytical connection between the two, but it is based just on my intuition, which is to say, my gut feeling. So, I did *not* suggest there is any *logical/analytical* connection; but, rather, only an empirical or, as I have phrased it, *intuitive* connection, by which I mean: you will find that, generally, Left-wingers are the ones who share your enthusiasm in endorsing Pell’s guilty verdict, while many on the Cat blog and other conservatives outside it, such as Tim Blair, Andrew Bolt and Michael Smith, are very critical of Pell’s guilty plea. Based on that, and not, as I have explained in my original comment (see bolded part) on any analytical connection, I said that you appear to be a Leftist.

  157. Steve trickler

    No harm. Government Propo.



  158. Iampeter

    How old are you in that video, bespoke?

    Iamp, the shortest official statement of what it is to be a Christian is the Nicene creed. There is nothing in it about the supremacy of the state or the collective.

    When the holiest symbol of your ideology is a human sacrifice for the greater good then your ideology is all about the supremacy of the collective over the individual.
    There’s no getting away from this.

  159. Bluddee hell.

    Being able to buy bottles of beer and pour them yourself in actual glasses.

    Seems like a normal country.

  160. candy

    Also Catholics aren’t collectivists. It’s a personal relationship with God like jc says above because it hinges on ideals like atonement, forgiveness, humility, kindness and some other stuff. A group cannot all forgive or atone at once. It can only be done individually. We are not robots.

  161. Iampeter

    Other posters (including me) may be very critical of you, but, still, they (and me) also post other posts with content which does not include any attacks on other Cats.

    So you’re a hypocrite but that’s OK? Well, OK then.
    I’m not expecting too much dot joining from you.

    So my comment linking your political ideology to your view on Pell’s verdict is “breathtaking stupid”, is it?

    Yes. And that’s being polite.

    by which I mean: you will find that, generally, Left-wingers are the ones who share your enthusiasm in endorsing Pell’s guilty verdict,

    Yes I know what you mean and I called you out on it. You’re very, VERY superficial.

    Basically a lot of the crap that people accuse me of would be perfectly accurate in describing your post.

  162. The supremacy of forgiveness of each mortal over the suffering of the immortal.

    Not really analogous to gulags or Nuremberg rallies you monumental idiot.

  163. Old School Conservative

    Peter Hansen, a former priest, ALP branch president and compensation lawyer has today pleaded guilty to 23 child exploitation charges having been arrested at Sydney Airport 12 months ago.
    This paragraph in The Telegraph’s story struck me as hilarious.

    Hansen, who described himself as a “proud Cabramattan” and speaks fluent Vietnamese, remained president of the western Sydney ALP branch until March 4, 2019 — five months after his arrest.

  164. Rex Mango

    Wikipedia ‘fact’ for the day, this from the entry for Comemorative Air Force, which used to be the Confederate Air Force, the world’s largest private air force – PS warning Gillian Triggs rabbiting on ABC RN at moment:

    In 1976, the CAF sponsored an air show where a B-29 bomber piloted by Paul Tibbets, the pilot who flew the B-29 which bombed Hiroshima during World War II, reenacted the atomic bombing of Hiroshima (including a mock mushroom cloud). This air show prompted the Japanese government to lodge a formal complaint with the United States Embassy, resulting in the American government issuing an apology.[6]

  165. Frank

    I’m a dickhead.

    And proud of it.

    Me too, it keeps me feeling young. It is important for the male of the species to commune with the inner dickhead on occasion so as not to lose their essential nature.

  166. Another great documentary on molten salt reactors.

    MSRE: Alvin Weinberg’s Molten Salt Reactor Experiment – “Th” Thorium Documentary

    gordonmcdowell
    21.3K subscribers

    Oak Ridge National Laboratory was the home of Alvin Weinberg’s Molten Salt Reactor Experiment. The MSRE proved that a fission reaction in molten fluoride salts could be contained in Hastelloy-N, and that a molten salt fueled reactor concept was viable.

    Two prototype molten salt reactors were successfully designed, constructed and operated at ORNL. The Aircraft Reactor Experiment in 1954 and Molten-Salt Reactor Experiment 1965-1969. Both used liquid fluoride fuel salts. The MSRE demonstrated fueling with U-233 and U-235. Alvin Weinberg was removed from his post and the MSR program closed down in the early 1970s. Aircraft Reactor Experiment & Molten Salt Reactor Experiment remain the only molten salt reactors ever operated.

  167. Iampeter

    The supremacy of forgiveness of each mortal over the suffering of the immortal.

    Not really analogous to gulags or Nuremberg rallies you monumental idiot.

    It’s more than analogous, it’s the cause of these things.
    If you believe in sacrificing the individual for a greater good then gulags and death camps is what you’re going to get sooner or later.
    The fact that you believe the sacrifice was to save your soul and they believe the sacrifice was to make everyone equal, or sacrifices that’ll be in the name of the environment in the future, doesn’t matter.
    What matters is the fact that you support human sacrifice.

    Also, I’d be careful calling anyone a monumental idiot. We’re running real low on the projection budget in this thread. You guys need something more than childish talking points and projection stat.

  168. Overburdened

    https://youtu.be/lskTbOa94H4

    More from the world of irony in the age of identity politics.

    The intro is gold.

  169. Tel

    My understanding is that the Nicene Creed was formulated to combat the Arian heresy. It expands on the nature of Christ, amongst other things.

    Yeah they wanted to kick out the Unitarians.

  170. Rex Mango

    Perhaps the Unitarians were the collectivists.

  171. Bar Beach Swimmer

    Before long, I imagine, offices the land over will begin each day with a ritualised apology for the sins of white people committed against coloured people.

    I think that is already happening. No so long ago, I remember reading that the procedures for mid-wives include apologising for their white supremacy or some such thing to indigenous females who seek their expertise before any intervention commences. You’d think that the main concern at such a moment would be about expediting the epidural. But we’ve entered the next stage of human development: the moment where psychological pain now trumps actual pain. Where the emotions take precedence over even the pangs of childbirth. Could it be that a man wrote this guff? Or, on second thought, only the sisterhood in the form of the female bureaucrat could really show this level of contempt for womanhood.

  172. 1735099

    Parkinson describes Trump as a “ridiculous person”.
    He’s always pretty accurate with his assessments.
    He’s interviewed plenty…..

  173. bespoke

    Safe to say Imp wouldn’t help someone if there wasn’t anything in it for him. Having his cry’s go unanswered while his head was shoved into the toilet at school, touched him deeply, Sad!

  174. Rex Mango

    Was it in bad taste for Tibbets to conduct a re-enactment of his most famous mission in 1976?

  175. DrBeauGan

    . When the holiest symbol of your ideology is a human sacrifice for the greater good then your ideology is all about the supremacy of the collective over the individual.
    There’s no getting away from this.

    I dealt with that argument. It is very, very weak. Think about alternative interpretations of what the dying Christ represents to Christians. Sacrifice for the greater good by the son of God does not entail the supremacy of the collective over the individual in general. Your claim is fatuous.

  176. Infidel Tiger

    Wow.
    As I was looking up that Simpson clip, there was a vid on how Tom Cruise was actually flying the chopper in a lot of the scenes in the last Mission Impossible movie.
    How good is it when an actor does their own stunts.
    Doesn’t make a bad movie.

    Cruise is the last real movie star.

    And maybe Denzel and Keanu.

  177. Rex Mango

    Tibbets grandson’s latest command is the USAF 509th Bomb Wing, who fly B2s and carry guess what?

  178. 2dogs

    When the holiest symbol of your ideology is a human sacrifice for the greater good then your ideology is all about the supremacy of the collective over the individual.
    There’s no getting away from this.

    Not a human sacrifice, but a divine sacrifice.

  179. Rex Mango

    With grandad having lit up Hiroshima, am pretty sure junior won’t hesitate to push the button if the time should come.

  180. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘Buncha uninformed crackpots pretending to be aficionado’s.’

    That should be ‘aficionados’. You are incorrectly referencing a possessive.

    Your argument is therefore irrelevant.

  181. Frank

    On the religion subject, the Jehova’s Witness people down here have some top shelf totty these days going door to door and spruiking for souls as well as on the side of the street in front of the suitcase magazine stand.

  182. P

    Among all the creeds, two occupy a special place in the Church’s life:
    194 The Apostles’ Creed is so called because it is rightly considered to be a faithful summary of the apostles’ faith. It is the ancient baptismal symbol of the Church of Rome. Its great authority arises from this fact: it is “the Creed of the Roman Church, the See of Peter the first of the apostles, to which he brought the common faith”.13
    195 The Niceno-Constantinopolitan or Nicene Creed draws its great authority from the fact that it stems from the first two ecumenical Councils (in 325 and 381). It remains common to all the great Churches of both East and West to this day.
    196 Our presentation of the faith will follow the Apostles’ Creed, which constitutes, as it were, “the oldest Roman catechism”. The presentation will be completed however by constant references to the Nicene Creed, which is often more explicit and more detailed.
    Catechism of the Catholic Church – The Profession of Faith

  183. Knuckle Dragger

    Told you he’d still be here.

    I’ve been looking at 25 year old half naked chicks.

    What do you for fun, Iampudenda?

  184. Rex Mango

    Someone must’ve already posted this (Steve T perhaps), but for Tom Cruise fans out there:

  185. Delcon

    Iampeter
    #3179730, posted on October 9, 2019 at 8:23 pm

    Other posters (including me) may be very critical of you, but, still, they (and me) also post other posts with content which does not include any attacks on other Cats.

    So you’re a hypocrite but that’s OK? Well, OK then.
    I’m not expecting too much dot joining from you.

    I am not sure I understand why I am a hypocrite; but, back to my original question, a third time: can you point out posts which you have made in this blog which do *not* include attacks on other posters? It’s a yes/no question.

  186. Chris

    FMD, that iampeter is a nong.
    That is all.

  187. Infidel Tiger

    I hope George Pell was able to watch the AFL Grand Final. He is a Tiger great.

  188. DrBeauGan

    . On the religion subject, the Jehova’s Witness people down here have some top shelf totty these days going door to door and spruiking for souls

    That just might make me want to convert a Jehovah’s Witness to sanity. It wouldn’t persuade me to be a whacko.

  189. Rex Mango

    Gruen Report very dull, going to indulge meself and put on my Blu Ray copy of the greatest love story ever told, Two Moon Junction.

  190. Overburdened

    https://youtu.be/KGkLZ75S0yo

    Here is a good example of dickhead style.

  191. Muddy

    feelthebern
    #3179463, posted on October 9, 2019 at 2:33 pm

    Douglas Murray interview.
    Very very good.

    I concur.
    I’ve only watched about 12 of the 47 minutes, and had of course heard of the book but not read it. Now I feel compelled to track down a copy, though I suspect it will make me despair.

    Thanks, Bern.

  192. Rex Mango

    Is the AFL collectivist, or individualist?

  193. Chris

    Cruise is the last real movie star.

    But a Reacher, he just ain’t.

  194. mh

    Iampeter, you should watch this. We can pray for you, Peter.

    Benny
    @bennyjohnson
    Mahalet was born in Ethiopia.
    Abandoned by her parents, she lived as an impoverished orphan.

    Mahalet was adopted by a loving, Christian American family at 11.

    This week
    @TPUSA
    brought her to the WH. She asked to pray for our President. He brought her onstage-then this happened:

    https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1180524380985679872?s=20

  195. Bruce of Newcastle

    Wikipedia ‘fact’ for the day, this from the entry for Comemorative Air Force, which used to be the Confederate Air Force, the world’s largest private air force

    I can see why they’ve renamed themselves. “Confederate” is haram and anyone using the term will be unpersonned.

    Google Bans Confederate Flag, Celebrates Communists (8 Oct)

    Google would never feature Nazi sympathizers on its site. It very prominently pulled the Confederate flag from its shopping site. Communists though are cool.

    And Google, which controls the internet, is fine with Stalinism. No Confederate flags allowed, Comrade. But red ones are fine.

    If you can’t find it on Google it doesn’t exist…

  196. Farmer Gez

    Here’s a fun fact from my fire brigade training night.
    – We have enough water on board the truck to run the crew protection system for three minutes.
    – Most intense fire fronts take six to seven minutes to pass over a point.
    There you go.

  197. DrBeauGan

    The presentation will be completed however by constant references to the Nicene Creed, which is often more explicit and more detailed

    That’s what I said. It’s what defines a Christian according to the Catholic church. Roger should be consulted.

  198. Knuckle Dragger

    Further interview (apologies if it’s been posted before) with Anthony McDonald-Tipungwuti, good footballer, on why he’s a bit reluctant to return to his kin on the Tiwis:

    ‘HM: When did you sense you those at home were upset with you?
    AMT: When I turned 18, I had a phone call from back home. “You’re turning 18 now, come home and work”. All they wanted was for me to make money for them to buy them drink or smokes.’

    Strangely, nobody’s questioning the indigenous ‘culture’ that not only condones but supports this. Liam Jurrah in Central Australia went back. Playing local footy now, but spent a couple of years on the piss and in and out of jail for participating in ‘robust discussions’ on Alice Springs streets.

    Because family.

  199. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    – We have enough water on board the truck to run the crew protection system for three minutes.

    That gives you time to shake hands all round, and say “Well, goodbye, gentlemen, it was nice knowing you.”

  200. Rex Mango

    The Air Force Formerly Known as Confederate is larger than the air forces of most countries, with 166 aircraft.

  201. Overburdened

    KD

    Everyone climbs the mountain.

    So long as you do the best you can.

  202. Mater

    When the holiest symbol of your ideology is a human sacrifice for the greater good then your ideology is all about the supremacy of the collective over the individual.
    There’s no getting away from this.

    ANZAC Day is looking decidedly dodgy. I might start boycotting it as a collectivist conspiracy.

  203. Bar Beach Swimmer

    struth
    #3179302, posted on October 9, 2019 at 12:00 pm

    +1000

  204. Rex Mango

    It does demonstrate how different the seventies were to today, when one considers they would re-enact the Hiroshima bombing.

  205. Old School Conservative

    Overburdened
    #3179738, posted on October 9, 2019 at 8:30 pm
    More from the world of irony in the age of identity politics.

    Thanks for that clip.
    Enjoyed the music and dancing.
    What language do I set Google translate to?

  206. Infidel Tiger

    Say what you will about Iampeter, but he captures the spirit of libertarianism perfectly.

    Very crazy people who should be interned.

  207. JC

    Looks like a lot of nobel prizes in science are being given old white men in the past few days.

  208. Old Lefty

    Re the Jensen case: What would you expect, Old School Conservative, from the Academics, Lawyers and Perverts Party?

  209. Rex Mango

    So is the bloke who jumps on the grenade to sacrifice himself, a collectivist, or individualist?

  210. DrBeauGan

    Not to mention firefighters who put their lives at risk for others. Collectivists the lot of them.

  211. Old Lefty

    Hansen, not Jensen: autocorrect strikes yet again!

  212. jupes

    Cruise is the last real movie star.

    And maybe Denzel and Keanu.

    I’d put Brad Pitt above Denzel and Keanu.

  213. Rex Mango

    Taking the ugly girl at the party out for your mates, makes you collectivist too perhaps?

  214. Rex Mango

    If Cruise is such a movie star, where is his Oscar?

  215. Rex Mango

    Saw Once Upon a Time in Hollywood other night and very good flick. Well made, perhaps a bit long, but you certainly can’t see the ending coming.

  216. Old Lefty

    It’s noteworthy that Jeremy Gans says bluntly that the central plank of the Victorian DPP rebuttal to Pell’s High Court application – that there are no points of law or judicial errors at stake and that P’s legal team are merely asking the HC to substitute itself for the jury – is just not true.

  217. Arky

    Not eating the last tim tam: collectivist.

  218. Arky

    Not pissing all over the toilet seat: collectivist.

  219. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    MNM update.

    so for people following my MNM experiment otherwise scroll on by. MNM is an anti ageing supplement which is probably of interest to some cats.

    SO I have been waiting or my Horvath cellular ageing clock results which finally came through this week from chronomics. took about 10 weeks for results. They sequenced my DNA and analysed the epigenome and from this they can calculate a cellular age. This forms a baseline for the effects of MNM at the cellular level.

    SO my cellular clock came in a 12 years younger than my chronological age. The clock is also used to predict longevity which puts me in centenarian range. That was a surprise, although the cellular age is in line with what people guess my actual age to be.

    In terms of MNM, still doing 500mg a day with resveratrol co-factors. I removed most other supplements, some combination was not agreeing with me. There is really nothing obvious on a day to day basis to suggest whether the 500mg dose is optimal or not. I have read that 250mg is a minimal effective dose, so I will stick to 500mg for the rest of the experiment, since I am getting effect I don’t see a reason to go to 1g at this stage.

    Things that have become obvious after about 4 months on MNM. My fingernails are growing like crazy. So much so that its bordering on annoying. I am having to trim then every week or so. Hair seems to be growing as well, however it doesn’t seem to be that it’s any less white.

    My eyesight has improved noticeably. my edge detectors are firing on overtime. I sort of thought I kept noticing it weeks ago, but it’s now obvious that long distance objects have become ridiculously sharp.

    Since MNM is essentially cellular fuel, I’d say it is doing what its supposed to at this stage. ie making cellular machinery work to capacity. The effects are certainly not apparent overnight though.

  220. Gab

    And that’s how it’s done.

    Calli, you’re a gem! If only more would do it your way!
    =========================================

    DRBG, I corrected you over something and you are still going on about it. Just take the correction like a man.

  221. Knuckle Dragger

    Cruise’s best role by far was as Les Grossmann the producer in Tropic Thunder.

    Every single one of his other roles made him look like a whiny little midget fag who’s two steps away from being punched out by the nearest librarian.

  222. Rex Mango

    Is farting a collectivist, or individualist pastime?

  223. candy

    human sacrifice

    I think Iampeter if God had access to mass communication like Facebook He would have used that instead of relinquishment of life to get his point across.
    I know you like to say human sacrifice and repeatedly have, but it feels like witchcraft or demonic.

  224. Arky

    Is farting a collectivist, or individualist pastime?

    ..
    If you light it you are a collectivist.

  225. Gab

    Iampeter has no idea about the reasons Christ sacrificed Himself for humanity. No point arguing with him.

  226. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    It does demonstrate how different the seventies were to today, when one considers they would re-enact the Hiroshima bombing.

    There were probably enough people then who remembered the ensuing surrender, and the emaciated Prisoners of War returning.

  227. calli

    Is farting a collectivist, or individualist pastime?

    Depends.

    If it is for your own satisfaction – Individualist.

    If it is to sound an alarm of some kind – Collectivist.

    If it transmogrifies into something rather nasty – Napisanist.

  228. Infidel Tiger

    Refs desperately trying to destroy rugby.

    Have gone back 5 mins on the tape to find a yellow card incident against Fiji.

    What a joke

  229. mh

    Urinal bowls – individualist

    Urinal troughs – collectivist

    You see less troughs these days. We must be becoming less collectivist as a society.

  230. BrettW

    Chinese billionaire just hands over $35,000 in cash to NSW Labor party Secretary. Note it had a note but he appears not to have spoken during the handover. Clements happily accepts and does not question it. Then gets a job paying $10,000 month and office space rent free.

    Seems Labor been bought by China. How much other money handed over and to who !

    More recently Labor seem more concerned about offending China than being friends with USA. Can’t think why.

  231. JC

    jupes
    #3179784, posted on October 9, 2019 at 9:00 pm
    Cruise is the last real movie star.

    And maybe Denzel and Keanu.

    I’d put Brad Pitt above Denzel and Keanu.

    Both Pitt and Di Capri were great in Once Upon A Time. Best movie in a decade coming out of Hollywood.

    Pitt to Di Capri0. “Don’t let the Mexicans see you crying”
    Mexicans = car valets.

  232. DrBeauGan

    . DRBG, I corrected you over something and you are still going on about it. Just take the correction like a man.

    Well, you are certainly going on about it like a woman, Gab. Refusing to admit you were wrong.

  233. Bruce of Newcastle

    Is farting a collectivist, or individualist pastime?

    Individualist. No collectivist would fry Earth by releasing methane into the atmosphere.

  234. Tel

    If you believe in the holy trinity then Christ didn’t sacrifice anything. Based on the belief that Christ is literally God and therefore cannot die, the material death is essentially going through the motions, only to reverse that again later. It demonstrates a point … but there is no sacrifice because nothing has been lost.

    Suppose a very rich man went to the trouble of writing a cheque for a large amount of money … and then afterwards tore up the cheque. Is that a sacrifice?

    Only a flesh and blood human who dies and does NOT come back afterwards has made a genuine sacrifice. Whether any particular sacrifice might be worth anything is another issue … I’m merely pointing out that a God who remains just as much a God afterwards, cannot have been seen to have sacrificed.

  235. John Constantine

    Is the stewards inquiry or the vikpol charges more likely to get the actual facts out?.

    https://www.mailtimes.com.au/story/6429385/racing-victoria-to-open-inquiry-after-disgraced-melbourne-cup-winning-trainer-darren-weir-charged-by-police/?src=rss

    UPDATE 7.30pm:

    Racing Victoria has released a pair of statements, with chief executive Giles Thompson addressing the charges and announcing an inquiry.

    “The core responsibility of Racing Victoria is to protect the integrity of the sport and to enforce the Australian Rules of Racing, ensuring both a level playing field for all and the health and welfare of horses competing in Victorian races. This is a responsibility that we take very seriously,” Mr Thompson said in the statement.

    “In the course of discharging their duties, our Integrity Services team commenced an investigation into the activities of licensed persons in the Warrnambool and Ballarat areas.

    “During the course of our investigation, the Integrity Services team sought the support of Victoria Police’s Sporting Integrity Intelligence Unit on the matter thus instigating their investigation.

    “Victoria Police have today issued charges against four persons as a result of their investigation which included the execution of warrants at properties in the Warrnambool and Ballarat areas on 30 January 2019.

    “These are serious charges and the nature of the alleged conduct described within the charges is distressing to all within the racing industry, as well as the general community.

    “Upon the issuing of charges today, our stewards have immediately opened inquiries and ordered three persons to attend tomorrow afternoon to answer questions in relation to the charges. Those inquiries will dictate our next steps.”

  236. Gab

    Everything you have just written is utterly wrong, Tel. So very wrong.

    “If you believe what you like in the Gospels, and reject what you don’t like, it is not the Gospel you believe, but yourself”.

    St Augustine.

  237. Delcon

    Punters now have Hillary’s as 3rd fav to win Democrats nomination.

  238. Rex Mango

    What made Once Upon a Time so good was the attention to detail was such that they took you back in time and really got you thinking via the great plot.

  239. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)
    #3179792, posted on October 9, 2019 at 9:05 pm

    MNM update.

    Great reporting by an agent in the field.

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