Tuesday Forum: October 8, 2019

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  1. MatrixTransform

    I’m a dickhead.

    I’m definitely a dickhead.

    In fact I’m proud of my dickhead heritage… all my siblings are dickheads as wer our parents.

    in fact, we all come from a long line of dickheads that can be traced back to Huguenots and some old Wars of the Roses stuff.

    We have a family crest with you know what on it.

    yep … an image of iamshiteater

    we are very proud

  2. Old School Conservative

    There were probably enough people then who remembered the ensuing surrender, and the emaciated Prisoners of War returning.

    Supportive anecdote Zulu.
    Mother in Law was a nurse during WWII and spent a lot of time looking after the stick figures returning ex-POWs.
    Her stories, told to me during much of the 70s, of the shape and condition of the men were absolutely harrowing. She alternated between tears and laughter borne of desperation during her reminiscing.
    She was one of those “No Japanese goods for me thank you very much” people.

  3. Infidel Tiger
    #3179802, posted on October 9, 2019 at 9:12 pm

    Refs desperately trying to destroy rugby.

    Have gone back 5 mins on the tape to find a yellow card incident against Fiji.

    What a joke

    LOL

    It’s like they promoted the country squire barristers who masquerade as refs (and who think they are appellate judges), playing on the wing in younger days when they were 40kgs lighter, with no understanding of line outs, mauls, rucks or scrums back then, or now!

  4. Mater

    Iampeter has no idea about the reasons Christ sacrificed Himself for humanity. No point arguing with him.

    He’s missing the obvious connection between collectivism and compulsion, individualism with volition.

    Sacrifice comes in both versions.

  5. mh

    Delcon’s right. Market move the last few hours.

    Dem nominee – Hillary 13 into 9.

    Presidential Elect 2020 – Hillary in from 29 to 23

  6. Tel

    “If you believe what you like in the Gospels, and reject what you don’t like, it is not the Gospel you believe, but yourself”.

    Yeah whatever. If it defies logic itself then you probably have got some steps wrong there, regardless of what St Augustine says.

    And yes, I’m aware that there are contradictory statements you can write with logic, but those are also identifiable as contradictory, therefore generally something you want to avoid.

    For Christ to be literally God, therefore immortal means the physical manifestation of death can at best be a demonstration of a process. Otherwise you have the logical contradiction that Christ is mortal and immortal at the same time. Sure you can wave your hands and accept anything no matter how illogical but then where will it end?

  7. bespoke

    I never would have thought of it that way, Tel. But sacrifice does not have to be permanent.

  8. Caveman

    News Ltd is running a poll

    That picture of all those bloody people lying around the Wall Street Bull , reminded me of 1987.

  9. candy

    The material death is essentially going through the motions,

    The trouble with that idea is that crucifixion would have been a tortuous way to die. Not going through the motions by any means. It would have been desperately frightening. Why agree to it?

  10. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    She was one of those “No Japanese goods for me thank you very much” people.

    One time F.I.L. had been a P.O.W on the Burma Railway – it was the early 1980’s before he would buy a Japanese made car.

  11. jupes

    Both Pitt and Di Capri were great in Once Upon A Time. Best movie in a decade coming out of Hollywood.

    Concur. I’m still laughing at the Bruce Lee scene.

  12. Rex Mango

    Zippy, good to hear your eyesight etc improving, any other effects in say the extremities?

  13. Infidel Tiger

    This is absolutely fucked.

    Ref has found another card from nowhere.

  14. Rex Mango

    Benjamin Law and Beverley Wang on ABC RN’s Stop Everything expressed their disgust at the Bruce Lee scene. Felt it racist.

  15. cohenite

    I was waiting for someone to mention movies and what do I get a tits and thighs bodice ripper in 2 moon junction; sheesh.

  16. Tel

    But sacrifice does not have to be permanent.

    Great idea Bespoke … we could do all payments on a non-permanent basis. I suppose you are happy to work a job where someone waves a bit of cash in front of you then snatches it away again? Gosh, imagine the enormous temporary payments you might almost but not quite get your hands on that way!

  17. Delcon

    Gab
    #3179798, posted on October 9, 2019 at 9:08 pm

    Iampeter has no idea about the reasons Christ sacrificed Himself for humanity. No point arguing with him.

    Iampeter is just a Leftard moron who decided he is actually a Right-winger, and that conservatives are actually Leftists. In his attempts to convince himself of this, he pushes out very superficial arguments and simply ignores all aspects of the argument which do not fit his narrative. He has issues. Ignore him.

  18. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Zippy, good to hear your eyesight etc improving, any other effects in say the extremities?

    give cialis a try

  19. Rex Mango

    I still won’t buy a Japanese car, but do use their big televisions, bought mainly to watch WW2 movies btw.

  20. Rex Mango

    Two Moon Junction has in recent years been critically reassessed and it’s name is gradually rising to assume it’s rightful place in the film firmament, alongside Gone With the Wind.

  21. dover_beach

    In other words, rights are freedoms to think or act qualified by human beings living in a social context.

    No. The exact opposite of that.
    This is what you don’t get:
    Making something illegal, that you don’t have a right to engage in anyway, like murder or theft, is NOT restricting or “qualifying” anyone. You don’t have that right anyway.

    IamMengele says that it is the ‘exact opposite’ and then goes and describes just how our freedom to think and act is qualified (not murder, rape, assault, steal, defraud, slander, libel, etc.) by living in a social context.

  22. Bruce of Newcastle

    Tel – Jesus, who was without sin was subjected to death – the penalty for sin. Our sins. Furthermore he was cut off from God, who he had been part of since Creation, until the third day. An amputation of the soul. The physicality of Jesus’ death is only the iceberg tip.

    I don’t think you quite understand the dimensions of that transaction.

  23. Rex Mango

    All Star cast, Burl Ives, Richard Tyson and yes that goddess, Sherilyn Fenn.

  24. JC

    Zipperhead, What happened to you?

  25. Shy Ted

    1735099 #3179508, posted on October 9, 2019 at 3:59 pm
    You are a communist. Oh gawd. You don’t even know what a communist is. You’re not wrong.
    I don’t think anyone who posts here actually does. But its repetition on this blog as a stereotypical behavioural response is familiar. I’ve come across it before when working with kids with neurological disorders.
    It’s definitely a tic – (of the complex phonic classification) and makes me think sometimes that I’ve stumbled upon a cluster of posters with Tourette syndrome.

    If the kids with Tourettes told you to f cough or called you a see you NT, numbers, it wasn’t the Tourettes talking.

  26. Overburdened

    In the meantime, I would like to declare that I am glad to not be blocked on this site.

    I may go so far as to say it is a dickhead safe space.

  27. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Pilots have ‘forgotten’ how to fly because of hi-tech aircraft
    Between 2009 and 2016 manual errors caused or contributed to 92 per cent of all aircraft accidents.

    By Charles Bremner
    The Times
    12:00AM October 9, 2019
    15 Comments

    Planes are crashing because ­pilots have either forgotten how to fly or never learnt in the first place, an aviation regulator has claimed.

    Over-reliance on automation has eroded basic skills and ­created a dangerous dependency on computer systems, the US Federal Aviation Administration has said.

    “When automation ceases to work properly, pilots who do not have sufficient experience of manual control and proper training may be hesitant or not have enough skills to take control of the aircraft,” the FAA said in a ­report to the International Civil Aviation Organisation.

    Between 2009 and 2016, manual errors caused or contributed to 92 per cent of all aircraft accidents in the world that arose from the management of aircraft flight paths, the FAA said. This referred to accidents that did not stem from a sudden, catastrophic event such as structural failure or terrorism.

    Airlines are recruiting pilots to meet higher demand for flights, particularly from China and India. Experts are concerned that pilots are encouraged to switch on the autopilot after take-off and take back control just before landing. The FAA presented its paper to the ICAO conference in Montreal.

    The FAA and Boeing are under fire after the malfunction of an automated stabiliser on the Boeing 737 Max jet after crashes in Indonesia and Ethiopia led to the grounding of all 737s. The company, backed by ­pilots mainly in the US and the West, argues that the crew lacked basic airmanship that would have averted the disasters in which 346 people died.

    From the Oz.

  28. P

    Tel,
    I understand what you are saying.

    I quote from the Catechism of the Catholic Church here
    under the heading:
    III. THE HOLY TRINITY IN THE TEACHING OF THE FAITH
    266 “Now this is the Catholic faith: We worship one God in the Trinity and the Trinity in unity, without either confusing the persons or dividing the substance; for the person of the Father is one, the Son’s is another, the Holy Spirit’s another; but the Godhead of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit is one, their glory equal, their majesty coeternal”.

  29. Geriatric Mayfly

    Looks like a lot of nobel prizes in science are being given old white men in the past few days.

    And none again to those who embrace The Prophet (PBUH)

  30. dover_beach

    If you believe in the holy trinity then Christ didn’t sacrifice anything. Based on the belief that Christ is literally God and therefore cannot die, the material death is essentially going through the motions, only to reverse that again later. It demonstrates a point … but there is no sacrifice because nothing has been lost.

    Suppose a very rich man went to the trouble of writing a cheque for a large amount of money … and then afterwards tore up the cheque. Is that a sacrifice?

    Only a flesh and blood human who dies and does NOT come back afterwards has made a genuine sacrifice. Whether any particular sacrifice might be worth anything is another issue … I’m merely pointing out that a God who remains just as much a God afterwards, cannot have been seen to have sacrificed.

    How is your rich man analogy analogous? To be so, it would require the rich man to write the cheque and have that cheque cashed and funds removed from his account. He would then have to experience days of being unable to meet his obligations, to have debtors banging on his door, to go hungry, to have his business partners scatter and leave him near friendless, and so on, only to have his situation restored miraculously shortly thereafter. How this doesn’t involve a genuine sacrifice is difficult to understand.

  31. Muddy

    I’m presently watching Candace Owens interviewing Dan Crenshaw. Apparently both are writing books; Crenshaw’s on outrage culture (and possibly other topics – he didn’t elaborate) to be available about April next year. Candace didn’t state when hers would be out.

  32. mh

    Wirch hunt!

    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    ·
    15m
    A Total Scam by the Do Nothing Democrats. For the good of the Country, this Wirch Hunt should end now!

  33. Infidel Tiger

    Fuxk this TMO.

    What an absolute shitstain.

  34. Rex Mango

    ZK2A, trying to watch a great movie here, but that article is correct. In the 70s they discovered most aircraft crashes were pilot error, often caused by pilots arguing, or not getting on. They’ve spent the last 40 years taking the pilot out of the aircraft and now the pendulum has reached the other side. Those 737 crashes were ridiculous.

  35. Rex Mango

    IT, could you perhaps give us the score?

  36. DrBeauGan

    Tel, how much would you want by way of payment to be crucified if you knew for sure that you’d be resurrected in three days?

  37. C.L.

    Who isn’t sick of wirches?

  38. Infidel Tiger

    Another card!

    Wales 14- Fiji 10.

    Fiji being slaughtered by crook reffing.

  39. Infidel Tiger

    Holy heck.

    Penalty try to Fiji! This is insane.

  40. Muddy

    Dan Crenshaw: “Conservatism means gratitude and humility…”

  41. Infidel Tiger

    Semi Radrada is human wrecking ball.

  42. Infidel Tiger

    Wow!

    Biggar KOed by his own man!

  43. John Constantine

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/traversmark/2019/10/08/marijuana-legalization-poses-a-massive-threat-to-this-industry/#7cf4b0d15c3d

    Six states (Alaska, California, Maine, Massachusetts, Nevada, and Oregon) met this criteria. This made it possible for the researchers to test whether marijuana legalization altered web browsing habits in the categories of interest (namely, alcohol and tobacco).

    What did they find? Not surprisingly, the researchers reported that search volumes for marijuana and marijuana-related terms increased after legalization went into effect. Interestingly, they also found that search volumes for alcohol-related terms decreased significantly. To quantify the size of the effect, the researchers write, “We can infer a reduction of 10.9% in alcohol searches after recreational cannabis legalization relative to the average of the pre-treatment period.”

    Zero calorie cannabis premix cans and coolers will be the chicks drink of choice, and the boys will drink what the girls drink.

  44. Rex Mango

    Damn, was going to go to pub to watch this game.

  45. ZK2A:

    There were probably enough people then who remembered the ensuing surrender, and the emaciated Prisoners of War returning.

    +100

  46. Col hands:
    Have the Extinction Rebellion protests changed your mind about climate change?
    Nope. If anything it has made me more determined to ignore – 84%
    Yes – how can you not see this is an emergency? – 10%
    I don’t really care – a little fancy dress never hurt anyone – 6%
    18830 Voters

  47. cohenite

    Burl Ives was a great actor; and an even better singer:

  48. calli

    I don’t think you quite understand the dimensions of that transaction.

    The episode in the Garden of Gethsemane is a clue. There was real torment there.

  49. DrBeauGan

    If anyone needed to be convinced that agw zealots are stupid gullible fools with a desperate need for purpose in their drab lives, extinction rebellion would have done it.

  50. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    At first in that survey I was worried they would press you into a climate change position in any response, given the guff that came with it about the ‘problem’ was ‘real’ etc.

    But they didn’t and we can fairly safely say that 84% of respondents, of whom I was one, thought the whole thing is overhyped nonsense, not just the protests but the whole kit and caboodle of the great big hoax.

    Hope we can anyway.

  51. Muddy

    extinction rebellion

    Sorry for being pedantic, but let’s at least get the name correct:
    It’s Excrement Retention.

    As you were.

  52. P

    Burl Ives – I bought the LP back in ’63, and still have it, with the Hypochondriac Song on it:

    Oh, my liver and my lice and my legs and my lungs,
    They’re are paining me, they’re paining me,
    My heart is sad, my breath is bad
    And I think I’m going cray’

  53. jupes

    If anyone needed to be convinced that agw zealots are stupid gullible fools with a desperate need for purpose in their drab lives, extinction rebellion would have done it.

    And yet our most senior politicians, public servants and business leaders support the flogbags or at the very least do precisely nothing to debunk their moronic propaganda.

  54. JC

    You know, Trump is in his 70s- 73 to be exact as I looked it up. The D’rats are doing everything possible to make his life miserable. It’s hard for a person if that age to take so much pressure from D’rats sheer dishonesty and evil intent.

    It’s incredible what these arseholes are doing to him.

  55. Zyconoclast

    I’m presently watching Candace Owens interviewing Dan Crenshaw. Apparently both are writing books; Crenshaw’s on outrage culture (and possibly other topics – he didn’t elaborate) to be available about April next year. Candace didn’t state when hers would be out.

    “How to Successfully Grift from Thirsty Beta Male Cuckservatives Without Really Trying”
    A book by Candace Owens.

  56. Delcon

    DrBeauGan
    #3179874, posted on October 9, 2019 at 10:40 pm

    If anyone needed to be convinced that agw zealots are stupid gullible fools with a desperate need for purpose in their drab lives, extinction rebellion would have done it.

    Greta was also a giveaway.

  57. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    G’nite, None. What should I say? Maintain the rage? Or recant and be saved?

    I absolutely hate this. Especially when it is a woman.
    I once taught a third year university honours course on the Witchcraft Trials of the 17th Century. Hateful.
    Then I visited Salem and saw what happened there to women accused. Some resisted to the end.
    There is a memorial garden there now to them, and to a few brave men also. In the crucible.

    Requiem in pacem, strong ones.

    I shall say no more on this, just take a little time out to think on it.

  58. feelthebern

    Reposting.
    Listened to this twice today.

  59. Steve trickler

    Judge for yourself.



  60. feelthebern

    Heard about this on Joe Rogan.

  61. Zyconoclast

    Is math racist? New course outlines prompt conversations about identity, race in Seattle classrooms

    In math, lessons are more theoretical. Seattle’s recently released proposal includes questions like, “Where does Power and Oppression show up in our math experiences?” and “How is math manipulated to allow inequality and oppression to persist?”

    There are studies that talk about specifically black and brown students not being seen as scientists or mathematicians … It affects their efficacy, their ability to engage in that kind of learning,” she said. “That’s why identity is so core to math and science.”

    It’s not that the formulas and equations taught in current math classes are racist, Castro-Gill said — it’s about how they’re used in daily life.

    “Nowhere in this document says that math is inherently racist,” she said. “It’s how math is used as a tool for oppression.”

    One example teachers might mention in an ethnic studies math class, she said, is how black voters in the South were given literacy and numeracy tests before they could cast their ballot. Another might be a lesson on ratios that discusses gaps in incarceration rates and how the weight of a type of drug determines the length of a sentence.

    “The numbers are objective,” she said, “but how we use it is not objective.”

  62. Cassie of Sydney

    “JC
    #3179879, posted on October 9, 2019 at 10:48 pm

    It’s incredible what these arseholes are doing to him.

    I think he thrives on it JC.

  63. jupes

    It’s incredible what these arseholes are doing to him.

    It’s even more incredible how he just continues to give it back to them. Indefatigable.

    Easily the greatest man of this century so far.

  64. feelthebern

    I think he thrives on it JC.

    100%.

  65. Then I visited Salem and saw what happened there to women accused. Some resisted to the end.
    There is a memorial garden there now to them, and to a few brave men also. In the crucible.

    My two favourite parts of the Salem …er.. incidents;
    1/. The girls who saw the demons (or whatever) kept pushing their story, so were put across their uncle’s knee & soundly spanked. This cured them of seeing apparition or anything of the like for about a fortnight.
    2/. Among those hanged were a pair of dogs, for putting the evil eye on people.

    (& a side note that despite all the ballyhoo, what happened at Salem was bloody nothing alongside what happened in Europe)

  66. Cassie of Sydney

    Thanks Steve for the Avi video…love Avi.

  67. Cassie of Sydney

    “It’s even more incredible how he just continues to give it back to them. Indefatigable.”

    Yep..which is why I love President Donald Trump. He throws it back…I just wish conservatives here would do the same.

  68. Zyconoclast

    Congressional firebrand Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D., N.Y.) said that America needs to have a “real conversation” about “prison abolition” on Monday morning.

    Ocasio-Cortez responded to the story of a black man given 10 days in jail for missing jury duty by saying that lawmakers needed to explore the mass release of America’s prison population.

    https://freebeacon.com/issues/aoc-wants-to-abolish-prisons/?utm_source=Freedom+Mail&utm_campaign=1e2196ee66-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2019_10_07_08_19_COPY_248&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_b5e6e0e9ea-1e2196ee66-46270569

  69. JC

    Berne, Cassie

    I hope you guys are right. It’s pure evil what’s happening to him. The only time I can imagine he’s been happy in this job was the period when he won the election and the inauguration.

    These D’rats are pure evil.

  70. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Thanks Steve for the Avi video…love Avi.

    I’d pay good money, to see Avi interviewing Riccardo Bosi..

  71. Steve trickler

    Hello, Cassie. Hello all.

  72. Lazlo

    Welcome back Cassie. The Jaqui du Pre clip was beautiful.

  73. max

    a human sacrifice for the greater good

    This is a really strange and inadequate way to put it.

    It was a divine sacrifice as someone upthread pointed out.

    And it goes with the Resurrection. The two go together. Yours seems to be almost a nihilist’s view.

  74. Fat Tony

    Dunno about Hillary running in 2020 – probably more like the Wookie, Big Mike.
    Or maybe they’re keeping that one for 2024…

  75. Cassie of Sydney

    Thanks Lazlo.

  76. Rex Mango

    Two Moon Junction in a nutshell. Opening scene of debutantes in lingerie, getting dressed before ball. Introduce Southern Belle, then cut to topless shower scene as she pulls out tile from wall, drops to floor to eye off adjacent men’s showers. Interesting cut now as three men from just arrived Carnival wrestle phallic object into place, then back to steamy shower.
    Now Belle and her nieces attend Carnival and she makes eye contact with shirtless long haired Carney in stonewash denim jeans. Banter ensues and April explains she is to be married to Southern gent in two weeks. Fiance, in Tommy Hilfilger now enters stage left as April eyes off Carney. That night April returns to Carnival because she ‘can’t sleep’. Next day April discovers Carney in her shower after he having committed statutory break & enter. They make passionate love.
    April has meeting with Grandma, who explains necessities of doing right thing & how ‘there will be a trust’. Also introduce black maid. Grandma now sicks local sheriff Burl Ives to keep an eye on April, who meanwhile returns to Carnival late at night and goes for spin to get booze in Carney’s Kenworth with one of his Floozies. At roadhouse dunny, Floozy takes April’s top off for some almost lezo action as they compare notes about bras and boobs. Cut to Carnival where Carney saves circus when ride goes out of control. Fight ensues and Carney drops couple, before girls in truck return to save day with dog and Jim Beam. Sadly dog gets knifed.
    Cut to bar room, Ramones look alikes and pool tables, Floozy & April dance in more pseudo lezo action. Carney can’t concentrate on his pool. Now April on back of his Harley at night, big MOTEL sign, steamy love scene. April cries at moment of passion, then embrace. Carnival convey leaves town. April wakes, uses payphone to call maid, but Grandma listening in. Carney meanwhile chatting up two Porto Rican cleaners at motel, when April returns. Epic scene where half naked Carney addresses April about her libido infront of motel guests and she screams back. April storms off, but returns to buy him brekkie. More hanky panky, then the immortal line ‘Darlin don’t ever take the Southern woman for granted’ as she storms off and Burl Ives arrives to book Carney about his rig and burying his dog on two good ole boys land. Shirt off Carney then digs out dog in the hot sun. Burl Ives reads Carney riot act in ride out of town to Mississippi state line where the cops have shifted his truck.
    April now amongst family at function before the wedding trying on outfits. Drunken Fiance and mates turns up to serenade April and Fiance comes over as an effete tool when April spies shirtless Carney in background setting up marquee. Grandma, maid arrive and penny drops for Grandma as she spots sweat covered Carney banging tent pegs in. Grandma tries to intervene, but Carney then proceeds to chat up Grandma.
    At banquet Grandma explains family history, their political pull and drops names big time. That night Carney awaits outside mansion on his bike, but April doesn’t appear. He does however leave scrawled message on her mirror in lipstick ‘TWO MOON JUNCTION…MIDNIGHT’
    April appears at the junction and tries to pay off the Carney with $5k. He says keep the money and also spots she’s not wearing knickers. She calls him a SOB & tells him everything he is, is between his legs. He finishes that sentence. He professes his love for her. They head into barn as we cut to Burl Ives, in white tie now, toasting two great Southern families at Fiancé’s bucks night.
    Back to barn, some banter and backstory from April, who then drops dress to reveal full frontal pre Brazilian days. TV version in the day had chair infront of all that action. She now blindfolds herself spins around, he kisses her, they make love one final time to big sax solo. Interspersed at this point are shots of the Fiance at his bucks night enjoying services of a stripper, with Burl Ives watching approvingly to emphasise that April is not cheating. Once again April in tears post coitus and the two star crossed lovers realise she is getting married tomorrow at noon.
    Church, bells toll, Groom awaits on alter. Cut to Carney playing with pup near rig out of town. April arrives at wedding, down aisle, then baulks seeing Groom blowing kisses to her. What is wrong? Grandma heads to front of church. April can’t do it. Cut to Sheriff’s deputy with rifle & scope stalking Carney as birds take flight. Grandma convinces April to resume.
    Shot rings out. Driver slumps and seems dead, but threw dummy and drops deputy on him opening truck door to investigate. Shift scene to juke joint in deep south where Carney is a dish pig, still no shirt and goes back to his hovel to find April showering. Steam fogs up screen as he jumps in too. Fade to credits with song Man With a Gun. Great movie, five stars.

  77. Lazlo

    But the D’rats are also pure, batshit deranged JC, which clouds judgment. This will not end well for them.

  78. jupes

    America needs to have a “real conversation” about “prison abolition”

    Is it possible that AOC is a Trump plant?

    No borders, no prisons, no electricity. That’s her platform!

  79. Delcon

    jupes
    #3179889, posted on October 9, 2019 at 11:10 pm

    It’s incredible what these arseholes are doing to him.

    It’s even more incredible how he just continues to give it back to them. Indefatigable.

    Easily the greatest man of this century so far.

    While I am inclined to agree, I’d say it is possible that his presidency jumped the shark with his decision to cut and run from Northern Syria. Hope I’m wrong, because the world needs his leadership.

  80. Lazlo

    No worries. Hope the Sauv Blanc tastes even better.

  81. Lazlo

    He is not cutting and running from North Syria. That suggestion is reflecting fake news. He is moving about 100 American troops out of the way, within Syria, of the Turkish invasion.

    What does everyone expect him to do? Send in the marines to fight the Turks?

  82. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    While I am inclined to agree, I’d say it is possible that his presidency jumped the shark with his decision to cut and run from Northern Syria. Hope I’m wrong, because the world needs his leadership.

    How many “boots on the ground” have the Yanks got, in Northern Syria?

  83. Steve trickler

    Good stuff, Spencer……. the bloke behind the camera. Great work.



    Truth be told, that plane didn’t get thrashed enough.

  84. Delcon

    How many “boots on the ground” have the Yanks got, in Northern Syria?

    Doesn’t matter. By removing them he sends a message to Erdogan that he can get his way with the Kurds.

  85. jupes

    I’d say it is possible that his presidency jumped the shark with his decision to cut and run from Northern Syria.

    Cut and run!!! Are you the site comedian?

  86. slackster

    This one is going to ruffle a few feathers..

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1181905659568283648?s=19

    The United States has spent EIGHT TRILLION DOLLARS fighting and policing in the Middle East. Thousands of our Great Soldiers have died or been badly wounded. Millions of people have died on the other side. GOING INTO THE MIDDLE EAST IS THE WORST DECISION EVER MADE…..
    IN THE HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY! We went to war under a false & now disproven premise, WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION. There were NONE! Now we are slowly & carefully bringing our great soldiers & military home. Our focus is on the BIG PICTURE! THE USA IS GREATER THAN EVER BEFORE!

  87. Knuckle Dragger

    Rex,

    Two Moon Junction.

    Do any of the cast get a root?

  88. Zyconoclast

    Note that both Folau and Petaia play fullback.

    I wanted to expose them’: Woman who infiltrated Israel Folau’s controversial church and uncovered their true beliefs is revealed to be the MUM of one of his Wallabies teammates

    Wallabies star Jordan Petaia’s mum Helen wanted to know what church teaches

    The mother of a Wallabies player has been revealed to have infiltrated Israel Folau’s controversial church to expose their radical beliefs.

    Ms Petaia messaged Folau’s 20-year-old cousin Josiah via Facebook under a false name and attended prayer meetings, to understand the church’s beliefs, the Herald Sun reported.

    Josiah, who had only been a member of the church for two months, answered Ms Petaia’s questions about his cousin Israel’s lawsuit and beliefs.

    ‘Is every Catholic going to hell?’ she asked.

    What does the bible say about suing people. I would really like to understand what the bible teaches about suing people for money.

    ‘I wonder if this is something Jesus would ever consider doing since really what’s the point (sic).

    ‘[Y]our cousin Israel does not seem to understand forgiveness and demonstration of the love of Jesus, he is behaving just like non-believers even though he says he is standing up for all people of father.’

    The exchange between Josiah Folau and Ms Petaia was leaked to a local newspaper and resulted in him being fired from his casual teaching job at prestigious Catholic school St Gregory’s College in Campbelltown.

  89. Knuckle Dragger

    Erdogan can have the Kurds.

    If it wasn’t for the circumstance that both the Yanks and Kurds, at one point in time were both fighting IS no one would care. And in fact, not many still care except for the halfwits trying to make political mileage out of it.

    An enemy of an enemy is not necessarily your friend.

  90. Rex Mango

    KD, there are yes, a few of what I prefer to call, love scenes. Only between the protagonist and his eventual missus.

  91. Lazlo

    That is absolute dynamite slackster. Game on!

    I mean the Dallas Cowboys game where George Dubbya is sitting next to Ellen Degeneris.

  92. mh

    I wonder who could have done this? 🤔

    An attack near a synagogue in the German town of Halle on Wednesday left at least two people dead. “According to initial findings, two people were killed in Halle,” the local police said in a tweet. “There were several shots.”

    Witnesses told German media they saw a man open fire wearing camouflage before fleeing in a car. Halle’s police force later sent a tweet saying they had detained one person in connection to the attack. They did not say in their tweet whether they were seeking any additional suspects.

    Video posted to social media showed a man wearing tactical gear including body armor and a helmet firing several rounds. It wasn’t clear what weapon was used in the attack.

    Police did not confirm that the attack targeted worshipers, but J ews around the world were marking Yom Kippur on Wednesday, the holiest day on the Je wish calendar, and part of the taped-off crime scene was immediately outside the walls of a Je wish cemetery adjacent to the Halle synagogue.

  93. Delcon

    So you guys are just fine with Erdogan’s tanks crossing the border and slaughtering Kurds?

  94. slackster

    So you guys are just fine with Erdogan’s tanks crossing the border and slaughtering Kurds?

    The Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK) is an armed terrorist organization, listed as such by the United States and the European Union. Founded in 1974 and assuming paramilitary functions in 1984, the Marxist-Leninist and separatist PKK has used violence and terrorism in pursuit of Kurdish secession from the Republic of Turkey. PKK actions and terror tactics have led to tens of thousands of military and civilian deaths over the past decades and have prevented lasting stability in southeastern Turkey.

    The U.S. and Europe have given cooperation and assistance to Turkey in its anti-PKK efforts. U.S. intelligence enabled the capture of PKK leader Abdullah Ocalan in 1999. In 2007, collaboration between Turkey, the U.S., and Iraq led to multiple airstrikes against the PKK in northern Iraq. In 2012, Senator Joseph Lieberman of Connecticut sponsored a Senate Resolution condemning the PKK’s terrorist attacks, propaganda, and drug smuggling activities and reaffirmed the United States’ commitment to helping Turkey put an end to PKK terrorism. The U.S. and the EU both continue to classify the PKK as a terrorist organization.

    How many troops did the US withdraw from Syria again? It is about 50

  95. Rex Mango

    Amazing how the truck attack in Germany was kept off the front pages for enough time, to it not be a story.

  96. Delcon

    So, yes. You are happy for Turkey’s tanks to cross the border.

  97. Rex Mango

    From what I could see on the telly Erdogan’t tanks looked to be M60s and I reckon the Kurds could take them out quite easily.

  98. Lazlo

    Neither of those things have happened yet Delcon. But what would you propose is done about it? I note deafening silence from the UN. Do they not exist for exactly these sort of situations? Or are they now only about promoting International Socialism.

  99. dover_beach

    ‘I wanted to expose them’: Woman who infiltrated Israel Folau’s controversial church and uncovered their true beliefs is revealed to be the MUM of one of his Wallabies teammates

    Welcome to the Stasi.

  100. Rex Mango

    I am worried about the Aussie quarter in the tent city and all those Australians kids.

  101. slackster

    Yes let Turkey get mired in the mess that is the middle east
    Im sure they will succeed where everyone else has failed

  102. Rex Mango

    Yeah, if I got selected to play international football, my worst nightmare would be Mum sneaking onto the front pages via some stupid escapade like this Folau stunt she’s pulled.

  103. Lazlo

    Nailed it slackster. BTW the US troops are only being relocated within Syria.

  104. Rex Mango

    What will be interesting in coming days is how the ABC covers the Turkish advance on the Kurds. The ABC regularly airs file footage of an entirely female Kurd army. So if anything positive at all happens for the Kurds, the ABC will cover it like Wakanda conquering the USA.

  105. Lazlo

    Turkey tried it before, with the Ottomans and the Mamluks. Didn’t end well.

  106. Zyconoclast

    Just waiting on Ms Petaia’s expose on rugby drunks, fornicators, idol worshipers etc.

  107. Knuckle Dragger

    Whether Turkish tanks roll across the border to finish off an enemy that’s been conducting terrorist attacks on them for decades and is now weakened and ripe for the picking is not my concern.

    I’m not happy about it, but neither am I sad and/or upset.

    The PKK do not have a footprint in this country, so we have no reason to voice an opinion on it one way or the other. Sure, Erdogan is a flog who will get his in due course, but his fight with the Kurds is his and not America’s.

    So, too bad so sad Kurds. Should have got a better media unit.

  108. Rex Mango

    Just checked Wikipedia and Turkish Army is a mess. It seems Imelda Marcos has been in charge of their supply line. They have five different handguns alone, about 10 various rifles and 5 forms of tank. It is just a complete jumble sale of military gear. The upkeep of all these different stuff would be horrendous. Not much corruption in this country:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_equipment_of_the_Turkish_Land_Forces

  109. Knuckle Dragger

    And, apropos of the discussion, the Turkish invasion has apparently started.

    Farter time.

  110. Oh come on

    The Kurdish insurgency in Turkey is not our beef. Period. The Kurds of Turkey are not our friends and allies, and we are not betraying them by allowing them to duke it out with the Turks without our assistance, as they’ve been doing for the last 40 years or so.

  111. Rex Mango

    Turkish Army might be like Crazy Daves, but on the positive side, they probably don’t have all the diversity quotas and female friendly nonsense that has destroyed the ADF.

  112. Oh come on

    The Turkish Kurds are no pushovers. Given the Turks aren’t really reliable allies anymore, it’s a great outcome for us if the Kurdish insurgents again become a perpetual ulcer for the Turks. Knock yourselves out, guys.

  113. Oh come on

    The Turks have a reputation for being very good soldiers.

  114. Rex Mango

    Turkish Army (not air force) has 13 different types of rotary aircraft and 9 types of fixed wing. That is madness.

  115. Infidel Tiger

    #3179930, posted on October 10, 2019 at 12:15 am
    ‘I wanted to expose them’: Woman who infiltrated Israel Folau’s controversial church and uncovered their true beliefs is revealed to be the MUM of one of his Wallabies teammates

    Who just happened to take a spot on the squad that Folau plays.

    Her kid is a very good player though.

    Weird story.

  116. Rex Mango

    Australian Army beat them in the beach sprint, circa 1915.

  117. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Breaking news from the Oz – it seems that three more dual nationals, in Syria, have been stripped of Australian citizenship. HOORAY!!!!

  118. Rex Mango

    Here you go Steve T, enjoyed the F35 video & that plane does sound loud, will have to get up to Williamtown to see one soon, but here is great clip, fresh off youbube printing press only two days old of FW190 & Spitfire. Spitfire has 5 prop blades so must be late model, compared to 3 for the FW190. Also the undercarriage of the FW190 looks like it might collapse inwards, but check out the takeoff of the FW190 bloke, most impressive:

  119. mh

    Recep Tayyip Erdoğan

    @RTErdogan
    The Turkish Armed Forces, together with the Syrian National Army, just launched #OperationPeaceSpring against PKK/YPG and Daesh terrorists in northern Syria. Our mission is to prevent the creation of a terror corridor across our southern border, and to bring peace to the area.

    11:16 PM – Oct 9, 2019

  120. Tom

    BoJo versus Mutti: Christian Adams (London Evening Standard).

  121. Tom

    BoJo versus Mutti: the leftard fantasy, by Peter Brookes (London Times).

  122. DrBeauGan

    Thanks Tom. It’s past my bedtime here, and I ought to be asleep.

  123. Nob

    Tom
    #3179959, posted on October 10, 2019 at 4:06 am
    BoJo versus Mutti: Christian Adams (London Evening Standard).

    Context: 50yo UK chain Pizza Express on the brink.

    https://www.wired.co.uk/article/pizza-express-debt-auditor-news

  124. Bruce of Newcastle

    David Rowe.

    Tony Abbott still lives in his head!
    I’m amused Joel is spruiking energy policy that’s a little less bonkers.
    Pauline gave him a terrible fright in the election.

    Labor frontbencher Joel Fitzgibbon wants his party to adopt the Coalition’s climate policies (9 Oct)

    Federal Labor frontbencher Joel Fitzgibbon wants his party to adopt the Government’s climate change targets, arguing the Opposition “confused and scared” voters with its policies at the May election.

    In a speech to be delivered tonight, Labor’s agriculture and resources spokesman will say Australians are “inherently conservative” and the Opposition should consider a less ambitious climate plan.

    Coal is life, guys. Your political life.

  125. bespoke

    Tel
    #3179829, posted on October 9, 2019 at 9:31 pm
    But sacrifice does not have to be permanent.

    Great idea Bespoke … we could do all payments on a non-permanent basis. I suppose you are happy to work a job where someone waves a bit of cash in front of you then snatches it away again? Gosh, imagine the enormous temporary payments you might almost but not quite get your hands on that way!

    No but if I helped a mate the sacrifice is only temporary it’s still a sacrifice of time and labore.

  126. bespoke

    Lizzie will compare none to Mary soon.

  127. notafan

    Just as well those US soldiers are out of harm’s way

    turkey launches offensive in Syria

  128. bespoke

    Did Jesus know he was going to be resurrected?

  129. notafan

    Wasn’t Turkey aiding and abetting is is not so long ago?

  130. bespoke

    Cheers Nota, If he did know what Tel’s said has merit .

  131. notafan

    But at least you all admit what happened to Him did happen.

  132. bespoke

    But at least you all admit what happened to Him did happen.

    I watched some Doco’s showing arkeological evidence he existed. I’m agnostic remember.

  133. Bruce of Newcastle

    No wonder Germany has been increasingly moribund lately.

    Price Shock! German Consumer Electricity Rates Climb To “New Record High”, Reaching A Whopping 30.85 Cents/Kwh!

    For the first time, electricity prices for consumers reached 30 cents (euro) per kilowatt-hour, making German electric prices among the highest in the world.

    Citing data from the Federal Network Agency, the average price soared to 30.85 cents (euro) per kilowatt hour, which works out to be an increase of almost 3.3 percent compared to just a year earlier. Last year the average price for one kilowatt hour was 29.88 cents.

    That converts to 50.3 c/KWh in Aussie. Bonkers. Although at least it has one plus: electric cars would be unaffordably expensive to run.

  134. notafan

    Dover Beach used to be an atheist.

    Malcolm Muggeridge too.

    Lots of others way smarter than you or me.

  135. bespoke

    What If an atheist sacrifices there life defending others knowing/thinking it’s permanent.

    Has this act got a higher level of nobility then Jesus?

  136. bespoke

    I watched some Doco’s showing arkeological evidence he existed.

    add that it was’t conclusive only compelling.

  137. Iampeter

    IamMengele says that it is the ‘exact opposite’ and then goes and describes just how our freedom to think and act is qualified (not murder, rape, assault, steal, defraud, slander, libel, etc.) by living in a social context.

    That’s the exact opposite of what I’m describing but I’m done going in circles with someone dumber than dirt.

    Also, love the arguments here that sound like caricatures of capitalists that I would expect to hear from particularly unintelligent socialists.

    You guys are totally not clueless leftists. Totally.

  138. bespoke

    Think of me as ignorant if you like nota but I am not the enemy.

  139. Twostix

    #3179930, posted on October 10, 2019 at 12:15 am
    ‘I wanted to expose them’: Woman who infiltrated Israel Folau’s controversial church and uncovered their true beliefs is revealed to be the MUM of one of his Wallabies teammates

    She wanted to be a hero to the bugnan class and get inside access.

  140. Mother Lode

    You guys are totally not clueless leftists. Totally.

    Bottom burp.

  141. Candy

    The rugby player’s mother may have wanted to strike up a relationship with a young man only 20.
    It sounds unseemly. She made up an indentity to speak to him on Facebook and he believed her.

  142. Mother Lode

    Federal Labor frontbencher Joel Fitzgibbon wants his party to adopt the Government’s climate change targets, arguing the Opposition “confused and scared” voters with its policies at the May election.

    Which is to say the electorate understood it perfectly – they just didn’t want it.

    Otherwise the trick would be to change how you articulate the policy, not the policy itself.

  143. johanna

    Since matters theological have been on the boil here recently, readers may be interested to hear that the Vatican Synod is thinking of creating a new class of sins:

    ROME — Participants in the Vatican synod on the Amazon region proposed adding “sins against the environment” to lists of traditionally recognized sins in their second day of discussions and deliberations.

    Synod fathers called for an “ecological conversion” that would allow people to see “the gravity of sins against the environment as sins against God, against our neighbour, and against future generations,” Vatican News reported Wednesday.

    “This would imply a need to produce and spread more widely a theological literature that would include ‘ecological sins’ alongside traditional sins,” the report stated.

    The working document of the Amazon Synod frames the entire question of the Church’s renewal in the region in terms of the environment, proposing “New Paths for the Church and for an Integral Ecology.”

    In order to be “ever more synodal,” the Church must listen “to the peoples and to the earth by coming into contact with the abundant reality of an Amazon full of life and wisdom but also of contrasts,” the text states.

    “It continues with the cry that is provoked by destructive deforestation and extractivist activities and that demands an integral ecological conversion,” it says.

    Now, I’m no theologian, least of all a Roman Catholic one, but reading the comments it seems that some Catholics regard this as a tad heretical.

  144. Mother Lode

    Think of me as ignorant if you like nota but I am not the enemy.

    That is precisely what I would expect Beelzebub to say…

  145. Mater

    Bob,
    With all your talk of slavery yesterday, I thought you might appreciate this quote:

    But we have already understood that by no means only those with different ideas, by no means only those who had got off the trodden path marked out by Stalin, were in the camps. The recruitment into camps obviously and clearly exceeded political needs, exceeded the needs of terror. It was proportionate (although perhaps in Stalin’s head alone) to economic plans…From 1930 on, it was not that the digging of canals was invented for dozing camps, but that camps were urgently scraped together for the envisioned canals. It was not the number of genuine “criminals” (or even “doubtful persons”) which determined the intensity of the courts’ activities – but the requisitions of the economic establishment. At the beginning of the Belomor Canal there was an immediate shortage of Solovetsky Islands zeks, and it became clear that three years was too short and too unprofitable a sentence for the 58’s, that they had to serve out two Five-Year plans taken together. The reason why the camps proved economically profitable had been foreseen as far back as Thomas More, the great-grandfather of socialism, in his Utopia. The labor of the zeks was needed for degrading and particularly heavy work, which no one, under socialism, would wish to perform. For work in remote and primitive localities where it would not be possible to construct housing, schools, hospitals, and stores for many years to come. For work with pick and spade – in the flowering of the twentieth century. For the erection of the great construction projects of socialism, when the economic means for them did not yet exist.
    – The Gulag Archipelago, Vol II , p578-579

  146. Cassie of Sydney

    “dover_beach
    #3179930, posted on October 10, 2019 at 12:15 am
    ‘I wanted to expose them’: Woman who infiltrated Israel Folau’s controversial church and uncovered their true beliefs is revealed to be the MUM of one of his Wallabies teammates

    Welcome to the Stasi.”

    My thoughts too…..this whole story is very, very unsavoury and this grotesque Helen Petaia is a person who is completely lacking in any morality whatsoever. Interestingly there are no comments allowed on the Australian’s story about it. I don’t think that comments, if allowed, would be charitable towards Ms Petaia

  147. Nick

    Lizzie will compare none to Mary soon.

    No, she will give a long narcissistic vignette about how she was once at lunch with Mary, who commented favourably about her cat.

  148. bespoke

    That is precisely what I would expect Beelzebub to say…

    You’r the fist one to work that out MT congratulations. You will be reworded when the time comes. 😁

  149. Nick

    I agree Cassie. It’s ironic that Folau is being punished for revealing comments whilst having a public persona, though infiltrating a a private, non televised, gathering, as a means of making his views part of the public domain.

  150. calli

    Joh, on the so called “environmental sins”.

    We were instructed to rule over the earth and subdue it, not turn it into a garbage dump in the process. That’s where our greedy, sinful nature comes in.

    Trouble with all the focus on nature at the expense of everything else, creation becomes an idol to be worshipped. Love for the creator must naturally transfer to love for his creation which reflects his character and glory. Cart and horse stuff.

  151. Mother Lode

    Now, I’m no theologian, least of all a Roman Catholic one, but reading the comments it seems that some Catholics regard this as a tad heretical.

    This Pope and his dimwitted lackeys really are turds.

    Instead of seeing the world through what is revealed in Catholic beliefs, they are looking at Catholicism through the prism of worldliness and are prepared to ‘modify’ Catholicism to accommodate the latest fad.

    Perhaps they had faith once. Or perhaps they thought they had faith and going through the motions gave them something. But somewhere along the way even that has drained away. Now they are trying to create something else. A nonsense they can call their own. Something they can administer to the masses that requires them to be in place.

    Deficient scum.

  152. cohenite

    I wonder if this Kurd business is going to bite Trump.

  153. Cassie of Sydney

    “Candy
    #3180001, posted on October 10, 2019 at 7:48 am
    The rugby player’s mother may have wanted to strike up a relationship with a young man only 20.
    It sounds unseemly. She made up an indentity to speak to him on Facebook and he believed her.”

    Candy…you’re right. This whole story of the mother is unseemly…and if I were her son I would be cringing in embarrassment.

  154. Tel

    My thoughts too…..this whole story is very, very unsavoury and this grotesque Helen Petaia is a person who is completely lacking in any morality whatsoever.

    Presuming she has tickets to any of the games, she must be following Rugby Australia’s Code of Conduct, which they believe applies to all aspects of everyone’s life.

  155. johanna

    calli – yeah, that’s more or less what the commenters are saying.

    Also, the whole notion of creating a new class of sins (and abandoning interest in some of the traditional ones) seems to be annoying some of the faithful.

  156. bespoke

    I’m a lot more cenacle(sic). It looks to me as an outsider the Pope is trying to divert attention from it’s other problems.

  157. calli

    This would once have been described as mental illness.

    All that plastic. I wonder what the carbon footprint is of her landfill-ready “art”.

    As Gab says “it’s different when they do it”.

  158. Candy

    Cassie
    Cringing in embarrassment for sure. She stalked a young man.

  159. calli

    I think we have plenty of sins on the books already. No need for newies.

    The best way to deal with them is to keep a short account. 🙂

  160. Nick

    Looking at the tactics of the ‘climate’ protestors. Imagine the different response if the group was a right of centre one instead.

  161. Tel

    Did Jesus know he was going to be resurrected?

    From the Unitarian and also the JW perspective (to best of my understanding), there’s no way Jesus could have known. The Resurrection was, for them, entirely at the will of God and not subject to any prior bargaining. From this perspective Jesus really was dead, no different to my dearly departed grandmother, and God chose to pull Jesus back to life, and indeed could at any time also bring my grandmother back to life, or perhaps Napoleon or anyone else for that matter. Hence, miracles need to be rare and unpredictable … otherwise they would be normal physics.

    From a Trinitarian position, it’s a more difficult question … in principle Jesus would know everything that other aspects of God know because they are all one and the same. However perhaps God wants the future to be uncertain therefore chooses not to look, or perhaps deliberately constructed a reality where the outcome was unknown. The Holy Trinity is heading towards Hinduism in a way you have these fragmented aspects of a deity, each serving some purpose. The Hindus took it to the next step there, but they never attempted to cross the line between human and God.

    Personally I’ve never seen value in escalation of Jesus to the superhuman. He was a preacher, he taught some ideas that were unusual for the time and these ideas have been successful for many. That’s more important than whether he was literally God or not. The escalation of Jesus smacks of argument by authority to me, and that’s a distraction from looking at the teaching itself.

  162. cohenite

    calli

    #3180023, posted on October 10, 2019 at 8:19 am

    This would once have been described as mental illness.

    That is weird, brilliant in a ghastly way. The woman is deeply disturbed but of course the abc gushes over it because some-how it attacks convention and normality.

    The abc really should be shut down; ida butterose had some claims to be a normal person before she got absorbed by the borg hive mind of the abc. This is what the abc does: lifts rocks and allows the things underneath to not only scamper out but take over society.

  163. calli

    There are some things the Christ does not know – the day and the hour of judgement is one of them.

    Tel, the elevating of Jesus to the Christ (God incarnate) – the letter to the He brews sets out why this is pivotal. The eternal nature of the Christ makes the sacrifice eternal, the “once for all”. All the early Christians knew this because they were observant J ews. Perhaps the significance is lost on Gentiles.

  164. Clam Chowdah

    I wonder if this Kurd business is going to bite Trump.

    It should.

  165. Cactus

    In reply to Bruce of Newcastle who said

    Price Shock! German Consumer Electricity Rates Climb To “New Record High”, Reaching A Whopping 30.85 Cents/Kwh!

    They need to invest in more renewables then. Imagine how much more expensive electricity would be without them given their deflationary role in a grid.

  166. Percy Popinjay

    Iampeta has no idea about …

    … anything.

  167. calli

    Youallwanttobejustlikeme?

    Sounds like him. But more long-winded.

  168. Nick

    There would or should, be the sin of lying about our climate and of turning our young and not so young into people with mental problems.

  169. Old School Conservative

    She stalked a young man.

    Candy:
    And used his developing thoughts as ammunition against his Church.
    And used leading questions (Will Catholics go to hell? What is your Church’s position on sueing?)
    And got him sacked from his job.
    And went public (again) just before a key game her son is playing in.

    Bitch.

  170. dover_beach

    That’s the exact opposite of what I’m describing

    Not at all, your words are describing the opposite of what you think they are.

  171. Iampeter

    Iampeta has no idea about …

    … anything.

    If that was true then you guys wouldn’t be so triggered and unhinged.
    Go review the NK thread to learn some important life lessons.
    It’s a better use of time than kidding yourselves.

  172. Knuckle Dragger

    The head sheds in Catholic land seem to believe that by creating sins against the environment, they’ll attract all the feckless filth currently infesting CBDs all over the joint.

    Excellent, they said. What a recruiting ploy, they said. No way that’ll piss off the remnants of our congregations, they said.

  173. Percy Popinjay

    Malapropisms taking on a life of their own, part eleventy gazillion and ninety three point 666 recurring:

    Put the closed captions on for this video and discover the existence of creatures previously (and wrongly) referred to as “Macedonian Content Farmers”.

    They helped steal Shrillary’s Precious.

  174. stackja

    What is happening in Syria? MSM pushing agenda?

  175. Bruce of Newcastle

    The 21stC so far is apparently worse than WW2, the Great Depression and the Black Plague combined.

    50% of millennials have left a job for mental-health reasons, a new study found — and it speaks to some of the biggest problems plaguing the entire generation (8 Oct, via BCF)

    About half of millennials and 75% of Gen Zers have left a job because of mental health reasons, a study conducted by Mind Share Partners, SAP, and Qualtrics and published in the Harvard Business Review found. The study, which looked at mental-health challenges and stigmas in the US workplace, polled 1,500 respondents ages 16 and older working full time.

    That shift is no surprise, considering that millennials have also become known as “the therapy generation.” They’re cognizant about their mental health and helping to destigmatize therapy, Peggy Drexler wrote in a March essay for The Wall Street Journal.

    It’s no wonder that ‘snowflake’ has in the lexicon come to mean something quite different from what it used to.

  176. Knuckle Dragger

    Iampudenda,

    Go back to the spelling and grammatical errors you made yesterday before you start beeping your horn about how the rest of us should live our lives.

    Those who cannot write well, cannot think well. You have just rendered all your ‘arguments’ invalid.

  177. P

    johanna #3180004, posted on October 10, 2019 at 7:54 am

    Since matters theological have been on the boil here recently, readers may be interested to hear that the Vatican Synod is thinking of creating a new class of sins:

    Pope installs new cardinals who “share his vision for social justice, rights of immigrants and dialogue with Islam”

    Oct 8, 2019 1:00 pm By Christine Douglass-Williams

  178. Old School Conservative

    Thank God for Jordan Petaia’s mother.
    Otherwise the ALP donations scandal and cash-in-a-box payments would dominate the headlines.

  179. Percy Popinjay

    Youse are all collectivists, I tells ya!

    Roights protecting Gubment, I tells ya!

    Go away, men in white coats, I tells ya!

  180. dover_beach

    Personally I’ve never seen value in escalation of Jesus to the superhuman. He was a preacher, he taught some ideas that were unusual for the time and these ideas have been successful for many. That’s more important than whether he was literally God or not. The escalation of Jesus smacks of argument by authority to me, and that’s a distraction from looking at the teaching itself.

    Christ himself says he was God. It wasn’t a later ‘escalation’. And the claim that he is God is not a claim that he was ‘superhuman or ‘a god’ but God.

  181. Knuckle Dragger

    In news far more relevant than finger-pointing wrongology, it would appear that birds are quite fond of three inch high Woollies seedlings.

    Of course, the birds realise that this means war.

  182. Shy Ted

    Pic of some Green polly twat being arrested at one of the XR things. Let’s hope a criminal offence was committed. Won’t link because the supercilious smirk will give you a hypertensive crisis.

  183. Knuckle Dragger

    Fair point, DB.

    I am also a deity. Not THE God. Just a god*, making my through the day like anyone else.

    *Don’t start. You know who you are.

  184. 1735099

    Another RoP gesture in Kraut land

    Except the shooter was a German citizen, had no connection at all with the RoP, and filmed and broadcast the whole thing on Twitch whilst ranting against feminism and blaming its rise on the Joos.

  185. Eyrie

    Even a blind hog finds the occasional acorn.

  186. Iampeter

    Those who cannot write well, cannot think well. You have just rendered all your ‘arguments’ invalid.

    Actually those who cannot think and are pathologically dishonest, spend their time evading how wrong they are by focussing on non-issues like spelling and grammar.
    Again, only fooling yourselves.

  187. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘It should.’

    Can’t see why, Clam. There’s no point the US leaving their people in northern Syria just to appease the contrarians who’ll shriek the opposite of anything DJT says or does.

    If Orange Man said the sky was blue, these mouth-breathers would be howling and shitting in the street saying it’s purple, with a rainbow wash-through.

  188. Bruce of Newcastle

    Christ himself says he was God.

    Here you go:

    17 As Jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him. “Good teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?” 18 “Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone. Mark 10:17

    So was Jesus good or not?

    30 I and the Father are one.” 31 The J-ws picked up stones again to stone him. 32 Jesus answered them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you going to stone me?” 33 The J-ws answered him, “It is not for a good work that we are going to stone you but for blasphemy, because you, being a man, make yourself God.” John 10:30-33

    The J-ws of course didn’t realise he already was God the Son. Shows you should not to go into things with a preconceived mindset.

  189. Shy Ted

    Don’t normally have SkyNews but I do this week. It’s as bad as the ABC, can barely get through a story without the climate change angle. Switch to the programme guide and the overlying music is truly terrible. I suppose that’s to get you back to watching the adverts, I mean programmes. Driving through the desert today, love it. get great pics of native species like wild camels and donkeys (could have said asses but I resisted).

  190. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘Actually those who cannot think and are pathologically dishonest, spend their time evading how wrong they are by focussing on non-issues like spelling and grammar.’

    You spelled ‘I take refuge in big words I learned on the Internet to disguise the fact I have no grasp of how the real world operates’ wrong.

    Have a good hard look at yourself, Iampudenda. The world still will be here when you get back.

  191. Iampeter

    Dover, just remember this thread next time you desperately want my attention.
    I kinda felt bad for you given you were trying so hard to have discussions so I indulged you.
    But it turns out you are every bit as unintelligent and dishonest as I originally thought you were.
    That means with every exchange you double down in your delusions and keep addling your own brain further.
    I’m not going to participate in pretend discussions with someone who has no clue and isn’t interested.
    I’m doubly not going to help you retard yourself further.
    You can have the last word if you like, it’ll be as completely useless and maybe even deranged, like all your others.

  192. Knuckle Dragger

    Right!

    No-one’s stoning anyone until I say so. Even if they do say Jehovah.

  193. Iampeter

    You spelled ‘I take refuge in big words I learned on the Internet to disguise the fact I have no grasp of how the real world operates’ wrong.

    That’s a description of roger, not me. He’s the one that brought up big words he didn’t know how to use.
    Also those words aren’t big and understanding them is a pre-requisite for discussing politics anyway.
    Also you’ve now gone from bad grammar, to big words being a problem. Evade, evade, evade LOL!
    Anyway please don’t let the fact that you have no clue stop you from pretending to be expert.
    No one else here does.

  194. Delcon

    notafan
    #3179978, posted on October 10, 2019 at 6:50 am
    Just as well those US soldiers are out of harm’s way

    turkey launches offensive in Syria

    This morning I walked into Woolworths shop. Just as well that those Woolworths doors opened as I approached, otherwise I would have slammed right into them!

    Homework for notafan: revise that “cause and effect” thing.

  195. Mother Lode

    ‘I wanted to expose them’: Woman who infiltrated Israel Folau’s controversial church and uncovered their true beliefs is revealed to be the MUM of one of his Wallabies teammates

    This supposes that their beliefs (rather than their acts) is enough to condemn them. Also the depths to which you must burrow to find out what they are – they clearly do not manifest themselves in any particularly pernicious way.

    The ‘crime’, of course, is that they have a worldview and a morality different to the state prescribed one.

  196. Des Deskperson

    ‘Presuming she has tickets to any of the games, she must be following Rugby Australia’s Code of Conduct, which they believe applies to all aspects of everyone’s life.’

    Section 5.11 of the ‘Spectators’ Code:

    ‘Do not otherwise act in a way that may adversely affect or reflect on, or bring you, your team, club, Union or Rugby into disrepute or discredit.’

    Neither this nor the Players Code stipulates ‘at all times’, a major flaw, in my view, in the case against Folau, at least as we understand it.

  197. P

    It looks to me as an outsider the Pope is trying to divert attention from it’s other problems.

    Pope installs new cardinals to set future direction of church
    Saturday, October 05, 2019

  198. Bruce of Newcastle

    No-one’s stoning anyone until I say so. Even if they do say Jehovah.

    😀

    Monty Python fans, handkerchiefs on heads, gather to mark anniversary (6 Oct)

    Monty Python fans, sporting knotted handkerchiefs on their heads, rolled up trousers and Wellington boots, gathered in London on Saturday for a suitably silly celebration of the 50th anniversary of the comedy troupe.

    They, of course, were all being Gumbies.

  199. John Constantine

    Esports.

    The big esports companies are caught between wanting the Tyrant of the chicoms to not cut them off from China, and having a client base that wrongfully thinks democracy is better than Tyranny.

    Purging democracy activists from esports platforms in the West to kowtow to the Tyrant is no different to what many companies are doing, but with faster consequences.

  200. Dr Faustus

    Looks like Helen Petaia has struck a mighty blow for her son:

    It has now emerged that Mrs Petaia’s actions have shocked the Wallabies camp and led to a flood of support for Folau.

    According to The Australian: “many of the messages expressed players’ disappointment and ‘utter disbelief’ that Petaia’s mother had gone to such ‘extreme lengths’, going to the media to warn of Folau’s ­religious beliefs and her concerns about his influence on young rugby players.”

    So, a massive motivator for the non-blond Wallabies. [And those who will now be wondering whether the team would have been better off, now they are into the do-or-die stages, with a straight running, hard to tackle, safe under the high ball, try scorer.]

    Apparently she is gutted that she has been outed as the source of the SMH story.

  201. John Constantine

    Progressing the narrative means their ABC declare the chicoms and the uighers and labor is not a story, but Turkey and Kurds and Trump is a story.

    Comrades.

  202. “blaming its rise on the Joos.”

    The Jooo hating racist from Toowoomba has something in common with the shooter in Germany…hatred of Jooos is shared by both the far left and far right.

    Now fuck off anti-Semite.

  203. dover_beach

    It was funny yesterday watching IamMengele using words he just picked up while cribbing wiki. It was as amusing as listening to Murray read a passage of Butler’s Gender Trouble here.

  204. Gilas

    Iampeter
    #3180038, posted on October 10, 2019 at 8:53 am

    Iampeta has no idea about …

    … anything.

    If that was true then you guys wouldn’t be so triggered and unhinged.

    He’s got a point there…

    Stop feeding the troll and see what happens.
    I bet he’ll scamper back to the peripheral threads, to well-deserved relative anonymity.

  205. cohenite

    Except the shooter was a German citizen, had no connection at all with the RoP, and filmed and broadcast the whole thing on Twitch whilst ranting against feminism and blaming its rise on the Joos.

    Idiot. If the creep had shot up a few mosques and women in potato sacks I might have conceded a point. Now piss off and get some more info about how much safer we are without 2nd amendment rights.

  206. Mater

    Iampeter,
    I’ve got no real interest in stoushing with you, as I really don’t think you’re worth the bother.
    However, let me just say that anyone who believes this:

    Classic liberals also don’t fear immigrants from backwards parts of the world because unlike Conservatives they have an actual idea of Western Civilization to offer them, not just more of the same religious, traditionalist collectivism that they were fleeing from in the first place. We know our ideas are superior while Conservatives don’t have any ideas to begin with, just random appeals to supernatural or traditional authority and other nonsense that makes them pretty similar to the very people they don’t think they can integrate.

    really needs to paddle harder to rejoin the real world.

    Your utopia is every bit as unobtainable and dangerous as that of the Marxists.

  207. struth

    Good Moaning.

    Iampredictable, it’s about time you stopped grizzling here about a site nobody wants you at, as you have nothing to add that isn’t confused tosh.

    The adults are talking here, and although we don’t expect the brainwashed to be able to get a grip on reality, your abuse and factless dribble, (where you can’t quite make it all work), proves you’re so left wing that you must be missing hanging with your mates from city bridges and sticking yourselves to roadways.

    So far we get that you are ignorant of Christianity (brainwashed) , have no understanding of history or your own culture’s true history, and given the chance you’d give god given rights to the government to control, and believe in socialist man made Climate emergency.

    You cannot say that we did not want to hear from you, and gave you the opportunity to argue your point, which you cannot successfully do, which then leads you to abusing people that have easily got your number.

    Why are you here?

  208. Dr Faustus

    In ALP Horror Carbon Imbroglio news:

    ‘Sensible settlement’ or ‘strong action’: Labor divided on carbon emissions

    From holiday in Hawaii, Leader Albanese, Fighter of Tories, settles the ship:

    Anthony Albanese
    @Albo
    Am proud that @AustralianLabor has consistently supported strong action on Climate Change based upon the science – and that action will not only protect our environment but is also good for our economy

    Could not be clearer.

  209. struth

    Classic liberals also don’t fear immigrants from backwards parts of the world because unlike Conservatives they have an actual idea of Western Civilization to offer them, not just more of the same religious, traditionalist collectivism that they were fleeing from in the first place.

    No one here believes that.

  210. Top Ender

    There’s something essential left out of this story.

    Can you see what it is, Cat People?

    New weapon in toad war
    HAYLEY SORENSEN

    Territory pests could breed themselves out of existence

    THE Territory’s most loathsome residents could be living on borrowed time with a scientific development offering hope cane toads will eventually breed themselves out of existence.

    A new gene-editing technology developed by scientists at MIT, known as a “W-shredder” gene drive, is being investigated for its potential in controlling pest species.

    The technology works in species in which females carry a W-chromosome – including birds, butterflies and cane toads. The edited genes would mean the mutant toads produce only sons, eventually leading to an entirely male population that breeds itself into oblivion.

    University of Melbourne biologist Luke Holman created a computer program to model what might happen if a group of gene-edited toads was turned loose.

    “It chops up the W-chromosome, so they can’t have daughters,” he said.

    “Those sons go on to mate with more females and make more male-only offspring.”

    Dr Holman’s simulation used an assumed population of 100,000.

    “Assuming you design it in a certain way, it should work very effectively,” he said.

    In the best-case scenario, releasing just 20 gene-edited toads could wipe out that population in nine generations, or about nine years.

    That’s right!

    Gay toads!

    So in reality the gene-splicers should have made the mutant males rainbow-coloured.

    NT News print edition

  211. Rex Mango

    Agree with IT who posted this yesterday, how many whistleblowing Helen Petaia’s can there be?:

    Infidel Tiger
    #3179429, posted on October 9, 2019 at 1:59 pm
    This is bizarre.

    Is the Folau Church whistleblower Helen Petaia the same Helen Petaia who claimed bullying at the ATO?:

    https://www.themorningbulletin.com.au/news/whistleblowers-air-explosive-allegations-against-a/3383112/

    Wouldn’t be too many Helen Petaias.

    Methinks she may be off her bonce.

  212. Mindfree

    I wonder if petaia’s mother will be given the same treatment as folau’s wife maria?

  213. Dr Faustus

    In Take That, You Bastards news:

    UN human rights chief slams Australia for making asylum seekers ‘convenient scapegoats’

    Michelle Bachelet used a speech in Sydney to slam the “public narrative in Australia” which has been “weaponised by misinformation and discriminatory, and even racist attitudes, including with respect to Islaaam.”

    Pointing to the growing worldwide dissatisfaction over [Australian] government policy on climate change, Ms Bachelet has warned politicians to take up “responsive and responsible policies” on big-ticket social issues.

    In a World rich with tyrants, bigotty bigots, liars, thieves and scoundrels – Australia stands small.
    Apparently.
    [Although nothing to do with questioning UN funding. Not. At. All.]

  214. I had a little win this morning and editors at the Oz have re-edited a story that was uploaded onto The Australian. The story on the synagogue shooting in Halle was uploaded and originally referred to the shooter as “right wing”…I wrote a comment as follows:

    “”right wing extremist”

    Being Jewish myself…this news from Germany shocks and upsets me. Yesterday afternoon, on Yom Kippur, I went to meet a friend at a synagogue that I don’t go to very often….due to security risks it is almost impossible to enter if the security guard doesn’t know you. Am I angry about this? No. Our synagogues, our temples, our communal organisations, our schools, our kindergartens all require full-time security. It is a sad state of affairs but one we live with.

    However I wish to take issue with the article’s casual labeling of the shooter as “right wing”. This is disingenuous. Not only am I Jewish…I am also right wing. The article’s casual labeling of the shooter as “right wing” is inaccurate and misleading…a more accurate description would be “far right” or “extreme right-wing”. Thanks.”

    So The Australian’s editors replied as follows”

    “Digital Editor
    Staff
    1 HOUR AGO
    Hi Cassie of Sydney, agreed … we’re editing that part of the story.”

    The text in the piece has been edited.

  215. struth

    The left, like Iampoyda, have a very warped, via brainwashing, view of conservatism based on propaganda that all conservatives are , as they see it, fever pitch God fearing Christians unable to think for themselves, totally controlled by the church,
    Which of course is a pure projection of themselves.
    The left’s church, Government, and their blind subservience to it, shows us this.

    This is what Iampeter bases his comments on.

    He is a true leftist, and actually , the one unable to get past his brainwashing to think coherently.

  216. feelthebern

    Lithium–Ion batteries anyone?

    Nobel Prize in Chemistry Awarded to Developers of Lithium-Ion Batteries

    The Nobel Prize in Chemistry was awarded to three scientists for their work developing lithium-ion batteries that provided access to a technological revolution including mobile phones.
    John B. Goodenough, born in Germany, M. Stanley Whittingham of the U.K. and Akira Yoshino of Japan shared the prize awarded by the Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences.

    Two white guys & a Japanese dude.

  217. Rex Mango

    Just the way the UN can morph climate change into asylum seekers with Islam over the top tells you what a scam the whole thing is.

  218. I had a win this morning with the editors at The Australian…it was in response to their story on the Halle synagogue shooting where they casually referred to the shooter as “right wing”. So I wrote a comment as follows:


    “”right wing extremist”

    Being Jooooish myself…this news from Germany shocks and upsets me. Yesterday afternoon, on Yom Kippur, I went to meet a friend at a synagogue that I don’t go to very often….due to security risks it is almost impossible to enter if the security guard doesn’t know you. Am I angry about this? No. Our synagogues, our temples, our communal organisations, our schools, our kindergartens all require full-time security. It is a sad state of affairs but one we live with.

    However I wish to take issue with the article’s casual labeling of the shooter as “right wing”. This is disingenuous. Not only am I Joooish…I am also right wing. The article’s casual labeling of the shooter as “right wing” is inaccurate and misleading…a more accurate description would be “far right” or “extreme right-wing”. Thanks.

    So the editor replied…

    “Digital Editor
    Staff
    1 HOUR AGO
    Hi Cassie of Sydney, agreed … we’re editing that part of the story.”

    Sometimes we have to speak up…sometimes we have to complain…sometimes we have to be activists.

  219. mh

    Classic liberals also don’t fear immigrants from backwards parts of the world because unlike Conservatives they have an actual idea of Western Civilization to offer them, not just more of the same religious, traditionalist collectivism that they were fleeing from in the first place.

    This guy is more deluded than mutty Merkel.

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