Eschatology

Eschatology is the study of the end of time, or more specifically the end of the Earth and its populations. It features in many religions, including climate cataclysm, but especially Christianity where the Bible speaks of the Day of Judgement and the portend of the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse. Various dates have been prophesied and there have been mass suicides by those convinced that the end was nigh.

One day the forecast will be correct, most likely in 5000 million years when the Sun has exhausted its supply of hydrogen. Alternatively a large asteroid could collide with the Earth destroying all (or most) life.

Yet alarmists everywhere have convinced a gullible population that climate change will lead to mass extinction. Such little faith in the ingenuity of homo sapiens. The last thing that humans need is a panicked reaction to climate change which will harm the poor especially, but ruin the futures of young people.

Extinction Rebellion is pushing for the de-industrialisation of the world and a nirvana of communism under a world government. Its cure is considerably more damaging than the disease of climate change. It is effectively killing the patient to save his life. Life under Extinction Rebellion will be nasty, brutish and short.

Watching the rebels foaming at the mouth and convinced of their righteousness is disturbing. They think nothing of imposing their views upon the majority and advocate dictatorial methods because democracy doesn’t deliver their aims.

Some believe air travel is evil and have attempted to disrupt airports and stop flights. One good thing about aviation regulation is the willingness of airlines to slap lifetime bans on people who disrupt a flight. So the individual who glued himself onto a plane will be forever banned from taking a flight. I wonder if he will be so happy with his choice in ten years?

But we can be confident of one thing. This doomsday cult will die out just like the previous cults, well before the end of the Earth.

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94 Responses to Eschatology

  1. stackja

    Another cult wanting OPM will appear.

  2. If you have ever seen a plot of temperature and human population data, you will see that a cold climate is what threatens our existence.

    This is probably no longer true as well with modern technology.

  3. mh

    Extinction Rebellion is pushing for the de-industrialisation of the world and a nirvana of communism under a world government.

    Funded by George Soros.

    Supported by Labor state Premiers.

  4. Of course the left are getting desperate.

    If nothing happens by 2030, all of their lies get exposed.

    This is why they are thrashing around like a wounded tiger and you see extremist domestic terrorists like Extinction Ferbile Convulsion.

    In 2031, sanity can prevail, we can abandon carbon taxes, prices, emissions targets, clearing rules and embrace a level playing field of nuke, coal, oil and gas, and let small scale and private biomass, solar and wind go nuts, with no subsidies or direct or indirect protectionism.

    I’m optimistic about the future because it will be one with cheap and abundant energy.

  5. JohnJJJ

    The reason for the ‘end of time’ is to provide a measure for behavior and ideas. It replaces God. It is the old ethics of consequence. By having the end of time at least 20 to 30 years in the future, it cannot be tested. The 12 years of AOC was a big mistake.
    It is the same with the Na zis ( “you mean we’re the bad guys!”). It is a moral ruler.

  6. Iampeter

    But we can be confident of one thing. This doomsday cult will die out just like the previous cults, well before the end of the Earth.

    Please. Christianity has survived for thousands of years, why don’t you think the enviro’s will?
    You already made the connection at the start of this post but then failed to draw the right conclusion:

    It features in many religions, including climate cataclysm, but especially Christianity where the Bible speaks of the Day of Judgement and the portend of the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse.

    The environmentalist movement is nothing more than yet another rebranding of Christianity to appeal to more modern mindsets. It is an altruistic movement that demands you sacrifice your life and well being for something greater than yourself. All of this appeals to so many people precisely because of how deep-seated Christianity is in our culture and how totally everyone accepts the morality of altruism.

    Until you can fight on these terms, which would also require fighting Christianity, then you can’t fight environmentalism.

    It has nothing to do with “faith in the ingenuity of homo sapiens” or anyone’s gullibility. It’s just another self-sacrificial religion appealing to a culture already overrun with self-sacrificial religions.

  7. feelthebern

    We’ll be fine if we eat enough babies.

  8. Until you can fight on these terms, which would also require fighting Christianity, then you can’t fight environmentalism.

    This is a false equivalence.

    Like it or not, Christianity became popular in the Roman Empire for fundamental reasons (Juice Diaspora, some of who were proton-Christians, no division based on class). Declaring that Christianity is about altruism of all humans because of Christ is a twisted joke. Either he was a divine entity of a triune god or he was a mad preacher that couldn’t give a damn about Roman authority.

    That doesn’t lead to gulags. You know full well that an appeal to extremes is a logical fallacy but you get your jollies out of kicking the crap out of old ladies that say a few Hail Marys and freely give their own money to Caritas out of benevolence, not altruism.

    Your whole shtick is a fraud and you know it.

    Whereas the global warming movement (and a big, organic movement it is) really may well die off after 2030 with minimal carbon taxes and no calamities.

  9. Entropy

    Its cure is considerably more damaging than the disease of climate change.

    I said ‘Forget what’s on your mind,
    And call a doctor please.
    For I’ve got a feeling that your cure,
    Is worse than the disease.’

    The cure is worse than the disease.
    Quite so.

  10. MatrixTransform

    We’ll be fine if we eat enough babies.

    fine. just make sure to leave a few for the volcano just in case

  11. MatrixTransform

    appeal to more modern mindsets

    Wonder what makes him think that the modern mindset is any different.

    I see no evidence of that at all

  12. MatrixTransform

    Climate Change Iatrogenesis will kill us all

  13. Entropy

    It also reminds me of that old Irish joke where the lost tourist asks the peasant in the paddock how to get to a Dublin. The old fellow thinks for a bit and says “If I was going to Dublin, I wouldn’t start from here”.

    These pricks are pursuing centralised control of everything to address a particular problem with energy sources. And bugger the lessons of the 20th century that shows how that always works out.
    Technology investment would be the real answer to their problem, a la Lomborg, but hey, instead let’s tax and dictate everything. Control freaks are fucking us over, because while what they really want to do is enrich themselves, of course, what really rocks their socks is the endless opportunities to meddle and impose their will on other people. Meddlers.

  14. one old bruce

    This time I agree with Iampeter. Masochistic end-of-the-world hysteria is a bug in Christian culture. There are countless examples over the past thousand years. Political Correctness is also an old feature of Christianity, censoring heresy and ‘taking the Lord’s name in vain’.

    Scandinavian Pietists took this to extremes which may explain why they are so receptive to the new enthusiasms, after centuries of making every individual face moral torment over every thought and action – every man his own Pope. Luther was a brilliant thinker who pointed out some real problems, and probably had no idea what he was unleashing on the world.

    You need to look at the whole picture as best you can, not just pick a few examples which suit your views. This broader picture was already looked into in great detail in the 19th century by people like Durkheim and Max Weber, and is even what Nietzsche was railing against, or trying to reform into a more life-affirming thing.

    The modern study of differences between cultures began in 19th century Europe with studying the then very obvious differences between Catholics and Protestants in their mental health and economic success. Protestants were crazier than Catholics, yet far more successful economically. Why? Is it still going on, in a new guise? Looks like it.

  15. Bruce

    Extinction Rebellion explained:

    https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/10/07/the-madness-of-extinction-rebellion/

    Essentially an upper-middle class death cult.

    A VERY well organized and financed, upper-middle class death cult.

    NOTHING they, or similar organizations do, is “spontaneous”; NOTHING.

  16. candy

    but especially Christianity

    Why not mention Islam? My understanding is that Muslims also believe in a “day of Judgment” and actually similar to Christianity, in some respects why some Muslims were offended by Kyle Sandilands the other day with his weird somewhat smutty jokes.
    And Islam is the main religion of the world. Just a point.

    Anyways, it is true that some Christians get cult like with a leader they revere, who is most likely a psychopath. Do ER have a leader? perhaps one we don’t see because Internet/electronic media, but he is there somewhere.

  17. cohenite

    The environmentalist movement is nothing more than yet another rebranding of Christianity to appeal to more modern mindsets.

    Which brand of Christianity:

    Man-made global warming [AGW] was always a reworking of the Eden myth where the paradise of nature was despoiled by the use of fossil fuels. And just like Eden where God banished Adam and Eve to a harsh unnatural world AGW says the backlash from nature to humanity’s abuse of nature will be equally harsh.

    In Christianity there has been a dispute about AGW. On one side is the more progressive forms which accept AGW and interpret the role of Christianity as assisting the people who will be affected by AGW. The 2006 Evangelical Climate Initiative for instance regarded the IPCC as foundational in developing its position on AGW; sort of like an updated version of the 10 Commandments.

    On the other side has been the traditional Christian view as typified by the Cornwall Alliance. This approach took the literal Biblical view that God is sovereign over creation and therefore humans can do no permanent damage to what God has created. This view also advocates that God entrusted the earth to human dominion and we should not be afraid of economic development or other uses of human creativity…

  18. candy

    but especially Christianity

    There is another religion, the main religion of the world, that has beliefs of Day of Judgment and Jesus.
    Similar to Christianity. Just a point.

    ER is probably choc full of atheists and for them there is no deity but there will be a leader somewhere, like in those crazy cults of the past who revered a leader probably a psychopath who was taking money off them.

  19. Tel

    Man-made global warming [AGW] was always a reworking of the Eden myth where the paradise of nature was despoiled by the use of fossil fuels. And just like Eden where God banished Adam and Eve to a harsh unnatural world AGW says the backlash from nature to humanity’s abuse of nature will be equally harsh.

    I agree that the Eden myth has been the basis of some of the nuttier parts of the environmentalist movement … but there’s a perfectly reasonable and moderate concept of looking after your environment in terms of picking up trash, keeping the place tidy, not allowing an invasive species to take over everything. Ed Krug called his book “Environment Betrayed: The Abuse of a Just Cause” because that’s what leftists do … they find something with a worthwhile core then invade and twist it to their own socialist purposes. Oh yes, this is very important, now PUT ME IN CHARGE and you get whatever you want.

    Back to the question of religion, anyone with basic knowledge understands that the Eden myth is older than Christianity. It is a reference to the historic transition from nomadic hunter-gatherer society to a stable farming community. The apple tree is both a reference to the advent of people realizing they can deliberately plant a fruit tree then come back later to eat the fruit, and also a mnemonic icon representing all types of farming.

  20. calli

    There may be another “brand”, cohenite.

    One that accepts that climate change is a natural event that from time to time requires Christians to assist people who will be affected by it. And that, although the Almighty gave dominion of the earth to mankind, He did not intend mankind to turn it into Mordor.

    The practical application – Christians can and should do what they can to combat the extremes and excesses of both views.

  21. Tel

    A VERY well organized and financed, upper-middle class death cult.

    If they were made to pay for the damage they cause, very quickly their finances would not look so good.

  22. calli

    The Eden myth is older than Christianity. Every Christian knows this.

    They just don’t believe it’s a myth.

  23. mh

    Back to the question of religion, anyone with basic knowledge understands that the Eden myth is older than Christianity. It is a reference to the historic transition from nomadic hunter-gatherer society to a stable farming community. The apple tree is both a reference to the advent of people realizing they can deliberately plant a fruit tree then come back later to eat the fruit, and also a mnemonic icon representing all types of farming.

    That clears that up then.

  24. dover_beach

    Political Correctness is also an old feature of Christianity, censoring heresy and ‘taking the Lord’s name in vain’.

    The Romans were ‘censoring’ before the Christians came along, one old bruce. And the Christians inherited the Third commandment from the [email protected]

  25. C.L.

    Saw this perfect accompaniment to Lucius’ post in Quadrant’s side-bar.

    Yes, these idiots too will pass. There are always more idiots where they came from, that’s the problem. Such is

  26. dover_beach

    The Eden myth is older than Christianity. Every Christian knows this.

    As do the [email protected]

  27. Extinction Rebellion is not pushing for the deindustrialisation of the planet, the claim is without foundation and implies consistency of thought to these gullible fools. They are pushing for the deindustrialisation of the West, and the West alone. Like all other environmental and/or hard left whack jobs they don’t give a toss what China, Russia India and the rest of the non western countries are getting up to. They will probably start looking at India in the future, but the real thug countries? Pfft, forget about it.

  28. C.L. at 10:45: we have had ten to fifteen years to save the planet for the last fifty years. It gets really wearing after the first three decades.

  29. Roger

    They are pushing for the deindustrialisation of the West, and the West alone.

    A continuation of the revolution by the spoilt grandchildren of the generation of ’68.

    Thankfully, there’s a lot of ruin in a culture, but in the end they all collapse from a sickness within.

  30. Tel

    Like all other environmental and/or hard left whack jobs they don’t give a toss what China, Russia India and the rest of the non western countries are getting up to.

    I dunno … Maurice Strong convinced the Chinese to murder their own babies and line his pockets at the same time. Is that “hard left whack job” or smart Western capitalist earning a buck while weakening the enemy?

  31. thefrollickingmole

    They are neo-Malthusans.

    Some just pine for the days of a wartime command economy, others are deeply anti-human.

    But one common theme, they all agitate for government centralization/coercion as their core value, which suits the fucksticks involved in pollitics.

  32. The Beer Whisperer

    The environmentalist movement is nothing more than yet another rebranding of Christianity to appeal to more modern mindsets

    No, it’s a rebranding of paganism, the worship of the earth itself. In any case, it was long ago captured by Marxists who have pushed doomsdayism for political power.

    Guess who gets to “save” the earth? The answer is obvious.

  33. dover_beach

    C.L., that’s perfect!

    Indeed, and she bears a striking resemblance to Merkel too.

  34. dover_beach

    No, it’s a rebranding of paganism,

    Good point.

  35. The Beer Whisperer

    That doesn’t lead to gulags. You know full well that an appeal to extremes is a logical fallacy but you get your jollies out of kicking the crap out of old ladies that say a few Hail Marys and freely give their own money to Caritas out of benevolence, not altruism.

    Frank, Iamshiteater is lamely trying to wedge Cats, and as usual, fails spectacularly.

  36. Win

    Dear me,I thought Eschatolgy was the study and compiling of lavatorial humour.

  37. struth

    You superior beings knocking a church you nothing about and conflating it with pagan, socialist earth worship , no different to the National Socialists in it’s utter hypocrisy, and in using environmentalism only when it suits,…………can I ask you smarty pants to tell me what date the Christian church has put on the end of the world?
    The commos have chosen twelve years.
    Can you also tell me why they chose twelve years?

  38. A Lurker

    Only God knows when the world will end.

    “But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.” – Mark 13:32

  39. Roger

    No, it’s a rebranding of paganism, the worship of the earth itself. In any case, it was long ago captured by Marxists who have pushed doomsdayism for political power.

    Delingpole’s watermelons.

    iampeter’s mind is closed.

    Don’t waste key strokes on him.

  40. struth

    Exactly.

    And can anyone tell me why it’s twelve years according to commos?

  41. Arky

    This is an excellent piece LQC. it puts the religious pull towards climate stupidity succinctly. Good job.
    ..

    They are neo-Malthusans.

    Some just pine for the days of a wartime command economy, others are deeply anti-human.

    Spot on Mole. They want everyone, including themselves, dead. It is a death cult. A Nazi death cult.

  42. Biota

    struth
    #3182153, posted on October 12, 2019 at 12:04 pm
    can I ask you smarty pants to tell me what date the Christian church has put on the end of the world?
    1844…… of course there is no single Christian church, just many versions
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Disappointment

  43. struth

    It’s twelve years because of the UN’s 2030 agenda.
    Which means the west must be destroyed before then.

    It’s always 2030.
    Always.

    Antonio Guturres and his socialist cronies have put a date to when the war on the west must be won by.

  44. Biota

    ER reminds me of the long forgotten but reasonably recent Occupy movement. Same actors, different cause I expect.

  45. struth

    Biota, good try, but I said the church, in other words the bible……not the ravings of one Christian loon.

  46. Arky

    Almost all mass atheist movements are, eventually, revealed as death cults.
    From shooting the Tsar’s daughters, to Auschwitz and Magda Goebbels poisoning her own children, to the piles of skulls outside Cambodian death camps, to the latest atheistic barbarians advocating policies that will lead to starvation and energy death for billions.
    They are all mad.
    The human is the beast that knows it must suffer and die. Without some compensatory mechanism to affirm life, it maddens and self destructs.

  47. 2dogs

    One takeaway from this is the observation that the Left is desperate; the only have so much time before their doomsaying becomes ridiculous. They need their one world government established before then, as afterwards there is no justification.

    Similarly with Socialism: economic progress alone means we are reducing severe poverty in the world at a high rate. When such poverty is gone, Socialism loses its argument.

  48. jupes

    If nothing happens by 2030, all of their lies get exposed.

    Nope. They’ve set stupid deadlines before that have passed and they just set new ones.

    Their moronic cult will only end when we elect politicians who will call it out.

  49. Mitch M.

    Back to the question of religion, anyone with basic knowledge understands that the Eden myth is older than Christianity. It is a reference to the historic transition from nomadic hunter-gatherer society to a stable farming community. The apple tree is both a reference to the advent of people realizing they can deliberately plant a fruit tree then come back later to eat the fruit, and also a mnemonic icon representing all types of farming.

    The myth may be the first recorded instance of a revolt against a new technology. Compared to farming hunter gatherers have a negligible impact on the environment. This myth may have been created by the first Greenie because early farming was hazardous and created a host of new problems for humanity.

  50. Iampeter

    Almost all mass atheist movements are, eventually, revealed as death cults.
    From shooting the Tsar’s daughters, to Auschwitz and Magda Goebbels poisoning her own children, to the piles of skulls outside Cambodian death camps, to the latest atheistic barbarians advocating policies that will lead to starvation and energy death for billions.

    But none of those movements were atheistic. Those movements were all altruistic and mystical.
    Their fundamental belief is that sacrificing individuals for a greater good is moral.
    Just like the environmentalists.
    Where did they get that idea from I wonder?

    The human is the beast that knows it must suffer and die. Without some compensatory mechanism to affirm life, it maddens and self destructs.

    So in order to affirm life you have to be a “beast” worshiping suffering and death?

  51. Bruce of Newcastle

    Anyone who doesn’t believe the stinky rebels is a nutcase.

    “Punitive Political Psychiatry” Coming To Germany? Leading Journal Defines Climate Science Dissent A Psychological Disorder (11 Oct)

    In a recent paper dubbed “The Denial of the Apocalypse – Dealing with the Climate Crisis from the Perspective of Existential Psychotherapy” appearing in the German Das Psychotherapeutenjournal (The Psychotherapist Journal), author Fabian Chmielewski explains which “denial processes are effective and what the psychotherapists could and should concretely do about it”.

    According to Chmielewski, a psychologist with a practice in Hattingen, being in panic about the rapidly approaching climate apocalypse is in fact rational behavior, while having doubts and remaining calm about it is abnormal and thus needs to be addressed.

    Das Psychotherapeutenjournal is not just some crackpot publication that gets little attention in Germany, rather it is indeed the organ of the Bavarian State Chamber of Psychological Psychotherapists.

    This quote comes to mind:

    “A time is coming when men will go mad, and when they see someone who is not mad, they will attack him, saying, ‘You are mad; you are not like us.” – St. Antony

  52. Bruce of Newcastle

    Anyone who doesn’t believe the stinky rebels is a nutcase.

    “Punitive Political Psychiatry” Coming To Germany? Leading Journal Defines Climate Science Dissent A Psychological Disorder (11 Oct)

    In a recent paper dubbed “The Denial of the Apocalypse – Dealing with the Climate Crisis from the Perspective of Existential Psychothera py” appearing in the German Das Psychothera peutenjournal (The Psychothera pist Journal), author Fabian Chmielewski explains which “denial processes are effective and what the psychothera pists could and should concretely do about it”.

    According to Chmielewski, a psychologist with a practice in Hattingen, being in panic about the rapidly approaching climate apocalypse is in fact rational behavior, while having doubts and remaining calm about it is abnormal and thus needs to be addressed.

    Das Psychothera peutenjournal is not just some crackpot publication that gets little attention in Germany, rather it is indeed the organ of the Bavarian State Chamber of Psychological Psychothera pists.

    This quote comes to mind:

    “A time is coming when men will go mad, and when they see someone who is not mad, they will attack him, saying, ‘You are mad; you are not like us.” – St. Antony

  53. Arky

    Atheists are all at heart nihilists.
    There is something terrible about them.
    Something to do with judgement and death.

  54. struth

    The human is the beast that knows it must suffer and die. Without some compensatory mechanism to affirm life, it maddens and self destructs.

    You’re not just a vintage car restorer.

  55. Dr Edward Dutton (The Jolly Heretic) explains the psychology of The Holocausters in this video;

    The Evolutionary Psychology of the Extinction Rebellion and Climate Activism

    If you don’t already know this guy then watch and read his stuff, he is outstanding.
    He also coined the most brilliantly accurate descriptor of the left ever; SPITEFUL MUTANTS.

  56. Iampeter

    Atheists are all at heart nihilists.
    There is something terrible about them.
    Something to do with judgement and death.

    Well, just replace “atheists” with any other rational idea, like capitalism, or industry and you end up sounding like any other leftist/environmentalist. Or ISIS member. If you believe what you’ve written there then you’re on the same side as all the enemies of the West.
    It’s pure emotional hatred of reason because you know it’s right but wish it was wrong.
    You want your feelings to be able to shape reality instead of accepting the fact that you have to think before you can act. That takes effort and morality.

    To fight environmentalism would require this effort. It would require rejecting ALL irrational and altruistic creeds, not just the ones you disagree with because of non-essential technicalities. Conservatives are not prepared to even make this first step. So this is all just talk.
    When it comes down to it, you would rather watch the world burn than give up your fantasies.

    That doesn’t make you nihilists by definition but the end result will be just the same.

  57. JC

    Imploder

    Stop big noting yourself that you’re a person of reason.
    No one in a mental facility is there because they’re reasonable.

    Anyone who confuses free association with collectivism like you have is a moron, an idiot with nothing else to discuss. Fuck off. You’re done here.

  58. MatrixTransform

    Conservatives are not prepared to even make this first step. So this is all just talk.

    bulldust … I’m serious about the volcanos

  59. calli

    Ahhh…I get it. You want Christians to reject their faith, and by doing that they become “pure” enough to fight Leftism.

    I see you now.

  60. Arky

    I don’t read him JC.
    Did the commie make any points?

  61. A Lurker

    I occasionally read Iamanpc and each time I do I am struck by his continual use of Alinsky’s Rule #4.

    RULE 4: “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.”

    If the rule is that every letter gets a reply, send 30,000 letters. You can kill them with this because no one can possibly obey all of their own rules. (This is a serious rule. The besieged entity’s very credibility and reputation is at stake, because if activists catch it lying or not living up to its commitments, they can continue to chip away at the damage.)

  62. Arky

    Bill came up against the same Vicpol attitude Mater and I did at the Lauren Southern event.
    To anyone brought up to respect police it is very disappointing.
    They have done themselves permanent reputational damage.
    Siding with ferals, political and revenue raising.

  63. Bruce

    As the joke goes:

    “There is no God and his prophet is Marx.

  64. Alan

    A new Postmodern Religion of Social Justice?
    What I find intriguing is that this “Social Justice” message is only being preached to white western nations. I never hear of African or Asian nations being similarly told to dismantle their Privilege, Power, and hegemony.

  65. Iampeter

    Ahhh…I get it. You want Christians to reject their faith, and by doing that they become “pure” enough to fight Leftism.

    I’m saying if you can’t reject faith and embrace reason then you are part of leftism. You’re not fighting it.

    Anyone who confuses free association with collectivism like you have is a moron, an idiot with nothing else to discuss. Fuck off. You’re done here.

    I think it’s you that’s confused about…well…pretty much everything. Including how likely I am to listen to one of the resident, raving imbeciles, that is only here because it’s the only place you wouldn’t be banned for your unhinged postings.

  66. mh

    Iampeter, I’m praying for you.

  67. Chris M

    Climate change cult is pagan faith for atheist Marxists. The very opposite to Christianity in every way.

    The other obvious difference is that not a single prediction of these climate cranks has some to pass whilst every sing Bible prophecy fulfilled to date (and there are hundreds) has been 100% accurate. There are very strong reasons to believe that the yet-to-be-fulfilled prophecies will be just as correct.

    The apostle Paul even predicted 2000 years ago in his letter to the Romans chapter 1 that in the latter days some people would worship creation and turn to perversions like homosexuality – today the two movements have become one and the same.

  68. classical_hero

    The big difference between Christianity and Environmentalists is that we believe that the earth was given to us to take care of and to utilise to the best of our abilities, whereas they believe we must protect the earth from humans.

  69. Muddy

    I never hear of African or Asian nations being similarly told to dismantle their Privilege, Power, and hegemony.

    The reason for that is very simple: Risk.
    In a country such as Australia, these people operate from within the multiple rings of protection offered by our rule of law, ‘free’ speech, the welfare state., etc. Despite often styling themselves as ‘warriors’ for some cause or another, these parasites (with few exceptions) risk almost nothing of their own. Even then, they operate in swarms, as seen in Bill Thompson’s video (see the present open thread) of him being assaulted by a group of feral thugs in Melbourne.

    Imagine the risks involved in attempting to seek the same attention and make the same demands, in an Asian or African country. They would not dare, because despite the label ‘activist,’ they contribute very little in the way of action towards their chosen cause. They are risk-averse.

  70. Roger

    The big difference between Christianity and Environmentalists is that we believe that the earth was given to us to take care of and to utilise to the best of our abilities…

    The Hebrew word in Gen 1:28 means subdue, classical hero.

    Never soft pedal a divine command.

  71. max

    Gary North:

    Eschatology matters.
    Eschatology is the doctrine of the last things. Every social philosophy has a distinctive eschatology, either implicit or explicit. There is no such thing as a social philosophy with no eschatology.

    I begin with Christianity’s eschatology. Luke’s version of Matthew’s parable of the talents teaches that there is a close relationship between productivity in history and productivity beyond the grave. Economic success in history produces a reward: rulership in eternity.

    The eschatology of modern humanism: the heat death of the universe. The heat death of the universe is the realm of frozen wastes.
    The heat death of the universe is the outcome of the second law of thermodynamics. It is basic to cosmology.
    The heat death of the universe is the outer limit for all humanistic social thought. It announces an inescapable re-conquest of man’s imputed meaning by cosmic meaninglessness.
    “From Cosmic Purposelessness to Humanistic Sovereignty.”
    The heat death of the universe teaches the reverse: from humanistic sovereignty to cosmic purposelessness.
    There is no way for humanism to remain faithful to modern evolutionism’s cosmology and also avoid the despair of meaninglessness. Modern man believes that meaning is imputed only by autonomous men. But men are never autonomous in humanistic thought. They are extensions of the impersonal cosmos. This cosmos offers no autonomous meaning. Only self-proclaimed autonomous man provides meaning in the otherwise purposeless universe, unless there is another, even more powerful species out there, which may not be friendly to man. If we lose in some inter-species war to that species, might will make right. In any case, the victors also face the conquest of meaninglessness. Mankind announces: “No one will take away my meaning until he pries it from my cold, dead hand.” To which nature says: “That’s just what I have in mind.” Here is Darwinism’s alternative to the biblical doctrines of creation, dominion, ethics, imputation, and resurrection: meaningless impersonalism, endless work, situation ethics, personal death, and meaningless impersonalism.

  72. max

    People’s view of the future affects their view of the present.
    Gary North:

    The doctrine of progress undergirds men’s sacrifices in the present. When it fades, men’s commitment to the future weakens.

    The origin of the idea of progress was exclusively Western; in fact, it was originally a Christian idea. Only with the widespread acceptance of the biblical concept of linear time did men begin to believe that there could be earthly progress. They began to act in terms of a view of life that says that whatever a man does lives after him, and that future generations will be different to some degree because he lived, worked, and died exactly when he did.

  73. Cold-Hands

    It’s pure emotional hatred of reason because you know it’s right but wish it was wrong.

    Only those who believe the propagandists without examining the data behind it “know its right”; anyone who bothers to actually look behind the curtain realises pretty quickly that CO2 levels correlate extremely poorly/not at all with the climate. The major reason the fraud has survived as long as it has is that bodies such as NASA, NOAA & the Bureau of Meteorology are “homogenizing” their datasets, making the past colder & the present hotter.

  74. The BigBlueCat

    I’m saying if you can’t reject faith and embrace reason then you are part of leftism. You’re not fighting it.

    Except it takes reason to have faith. How can you not know this?

    I could posit that Communists are atheists, Iampeter is an atheist, therefore Iampeter is a Communist. Of course, that’s akin to your style of moronic dribblings about Christianity, altruism and any number of topics you inject yourself into. JC is right – you should go away – you have nothing to contribute to here.

  75. Iampeter

    Except it takes reason to have faith. How can you not know this?

    By having the amazing ability to not spout contradictions mindlessly.

    I could posit that Communists are atheists, Iampeter is an atheist, therefore Iampeter is a Communist.

    Which is what you ignorant idiots keep doing. But “atheism” is not an essential characteristic of communism. Saying something like “atheist communists” is a category error the way it’s being used here.

    I’m doing the exact opposite of this “moronic dribbling” by pointing out that you need to think in terms of fundamentals and what those fundamentals are.

    JC is right – you should go away – you have nothing to contribute to here.

    No, JC is wrong. And both him and you are the ones who should go away. You idiots have no business on a politics blog pretending to discuss topics you know nothing about and then getting triggered by those who do.

    You are beyond-parody stupid.

  76. Alan

    Extinction Rebellion. You have to wonder about climate cultists. [Paul Joseph Watson]

  77. Arky

    Iampeter is a Communist.

    ..
    It’s true. So true. So very, very true.

  78. Iampeter

    At the Cat, home of the internet’s most politically illiterate communists, capitalists are called communists.

    I await the next deep contribution from the brilliant minds here…

  79. Tom

    Give it a rest, IamGoebbels. Your propaganda schtick has been around since the 1930s.

  80. The BigBlueCat

    No, JC is wrong. And both him and you are the ones who should go away. You idiots have no business on a politics blog pretending to discuss topics you know nothing about and then getting triggered by those who do.

    The only one being triggered is you. We can reliably count on it.

    Your distinct inability to comprehend what has been written and then distort it into something that was never said is a marvel to behold. Maybe you should stay so we can continue with the sport …

  81. Iampeter

    Pointing you that you are politically illiterate leftists is not “propaganda schtick.”

  82. JC

    Imploder

    You offer no insight, no ability to persuade. At the most basic, you are unable to distinguish between collectivitism and free association. In short, you’re just a loud mouth dickhead with no redeeming features.

    As I said, you’re done here.

  83. Iampeter

    Your projection is not persuasion, JC.

    Like I said, you have no business on a politics blog, you raving crackpot.

  84. JC

    Imploder

    I’m not attempting to persuade you in any way and point that it’s projection is a laughable falsity. It’s always the same with you. You’re just a dickhead with an inflated opinion of self.

    As I said, you’re done here, now fuck off.

  85. Iampeter

    The only thing that is laughably false is what you keep posting. That’s to put it mildly.
    There are plenty of posts from me full of arguments, whether you agree with them or not.
    There is nothing from you but unhinged rants.
    It’s not even just me. You behave this way with others too.
    To the extent you have any positions, they are equivalent to what I would expect from a kid. It’s just random gibberish and self contradictions.

    You know I’m right and that’s why you’re so mad.

    You have no business on a politics blog.

  86. JC

    There are plenty of posts from me full of arguments, whether you agree with them or not.

    Positions and simple abuse are NOT arguments, you dickhead.

    There is nothing from you but unhinged rants.

    Projecting much? 🙂

    It’s not even just me. You behave this way with others too.

    You behave abusively with every single person you’ve interacted with since you’ve been here, you sack of deranged garbage. There’s not one person who’s missed out when interacting with you. Not a one. You don’t present any argument at all. Just positions.

    To the extent you have any positions, they are equivalent to what I would expect from a kid. It’s just random gibberish and self contradictions.

    Really? Christianity/Catholicism is regimented collectivism and not free association. That’s your claim, you witless, worthless mental case.

    You know I’m right and that’s why you’re so mad.

    You’ve never been right and I’m certainly not angry.

    You have no business on a politics blog.

    Flattery will get you nowhere by repeating the same things I’ve said of you.

    It’s lockup time at the mental facility where you reside. Turn in your computer and fuck off..

  87. Iampeter

    Positions and simple abuse are NOT arguments, you dickhead.

    You’re the one that has nothing but abuse. If you don’t like it, don’t dish it out in the first place.

    Projecting much? 🙂

    No, not at all. I mean, are you serious? Just re-read this thread alone…

    You behave abusively with every single person you’ve interacted with since you’ve been here, you sack of deranged garbage.

    No. Everyone here is very abusive because you are easily exposed as clueless leftists. Not the expert right wingers you think you are.

    You’ve never been right and I’m certainly not angry.

    HAHAHAHAHA!

    Look, you’re a completely insane, raving lunatic. On any other forum you would be long banned.

    We really are done here. You don’t need to keep responding me on every thread and every post.

    Although given how insane you are…

  88. JC

    You’re the one that has nothing but abuse. If you don’t like it, don’t dish it out in the first place.

    Okay dickhead, your move. Present one single engagement you’ve had here where you didn’t abuse the commenter or tried to put him or her down in that unique way of yours.

    Go!

    No. Everyone here is very abusive because you are easily exposed as clueless leftists. Not the expert right wingers you think you are.

    Derangement alert.

    Look dickhead, you’ve confused collectivism with free association which is one of the basic forms of freedoms. You have no business lecturing anyone – even the fellow inmates at the mental asylum where you reside- about anything.

    Look, you’re a completely insane, raving lunatic. On any other forum you would be long banned.

    Funny that, it what every single commenter who’s engaged with you says about you.

    We really are done here. You don’t need to keep responding me on every thread and every post.

    Lol… You’re done here! As I said flattering me by using the terms I’ve used against you won’t change my opinion of you, dickhead. You’re unbalanced.

    Although given how insane you are…

    I’m not and you’re in a mental asylum whose gone way past computer lock down time. Go. Fuck off.

  89. The BigBlueCat

    But “atheism” is not an essential characteristic of communism. Saying something like “atheist communists” is a category error the way it’s being used here.

    Marx and Engels disagree with you. So would the Chinese Communist Party. Communism is not secular.

  90. Iampeter

    Okay dickhead, your move. Present one single engagement you’ve had here where you didn’t abuse the commenter or tried to put him or her down in that unique way of yours.

    Go!

    What, you mean like my very first post in this thread?
    Or my very second one as another example?

    The fact that your understanding of topics is so shallow that you can feel “put down” by those kind of comments is indicative of you being out of your depth, not someone insulting you.

    Like I said, entire reason behind how triggered you guys get by my comments, is that they very quickly expose you self-professed experts as being cringingly ignorant.
    We’ve already covered all this.

    On the flip side, you can’t find a single post where you respond to anything I say which isn’t laced with insults or just plain raving.

    I can’t imagine why you even tried taking this line when it was always going to be a loser for you.

    You just love stepping on rakes over and over.

    Anyway, let’s be done. You have no business on a politics blog anyway, so I won’t waste my time responding to your drivel and you can keep LARPing here for all I care.

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