Open Forum: October 12, 2019

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  1. stackja

    Top Ender
    #3182847, posted on October 13, 2019 at 12:06 pm
    How Extinction Rebellion climate change zealots – including a baronet’s Cambridge-educated granddaughter – are paid £400 a week to bring mayhem to our streets

    I am shocked!
    Linky

  2. stackja

    John Constantine
    #3182849, posted on October 13, 2019 at 12:08 pm

    Bob Carr no dams. Morris Iemma said desal and MSM said poo to recycling.

  3. Delcon

    Sinclair Davidson
    #3182787, posted on October 13, 2019 at 10:17 am
    areff – maybe but not a good look for Trump.

    Just a word of warning, Sinclair Davidson, whoever you may be.
    In this blog, criticising Trump leads automatically to accusations of being a troll.
    To avoid all the geniuses on this blog calling you a troll, just agree with them on Trump.

  4. Roger

    “We have no bloody water,” Tenterfield Shire CEO Terry Dodds is quoted as saying.

    Because the government has built no bloody dams.

    Consider longsuffering Stanhorpe to the north on the new England Hwy, also about to run out of water but they’ve had a dam in the planning stages for 16 years!

  5. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Labor frontbencher Kristina Keneally has called on the Morrison government to bring home the Australian women and children currently detained in Syrian camps because of their links to foreign fighters.

    From the Oz. Kristina Keneally’s latest brainfart.

  6. Roger

    Labor frontbencher Kristina Keneally has called on the Morrison government to bring home the Australian women and children currently detained in Syrian camps because of their links to foreign fighters.

    What a brilliant idea!

    She’s on to a vote winner there.

    What say ye, Albo?

  7. cohenite

    Omar and her current root at the latest Antifa riots against Trump:

    https://postimg.cc/642WjLNZ

    The left says and does what it wants to.

  8. Zatara

    Just so this doesn’t fall into the forgettery:

    No effing way any national leader, including Erdogan, would have attacked US positions. No effing way.

    – Delcon

    And yet they did. US Special Forces in Syria shelled by Turkish troops

    There are thousands of square miles where those bombs/shells could have landed “by mistake” and yet they just happened to find a US compound.

    So no, more likely a message than a mistake.

  9. notafan

    Not really

    U.S. officials say an American outpost in northeastern Syria has been vacated after coming under fire from Turkish artillery.

    The officials say a number of U.S. troops left their post on a hill outside the town of Kobane after it came under fire. The officials say a large base in the town has not been affected by the shelling.

    Turkey says it didn’t target the U.S. outpost but was responding to fire from Kurdish groups nearby.

  10. Leigh Lowe

    areff

    #3182794, posted on October 13, 2019 at 10:30 am

    By the way, “tee shirt” is T-Shirt. So called because, laid out flat, the garment forms a “T”.

    It was invented by Sir Thomas Lipton and is correctly known as the “Tea Shirt”.

  11. Roger

    War is the realm of uncertainty; three quarters of the factors on which action in war is based are wrapped in a fog of greater or lesser uncertainty.

    — Carl von Clausewitz

  12. Mitch M.

    There are thousands of square miles where those bombs/shells could have landed “by mistake” and yet they just happened to find a US compound.

    So no, more likely a message than a mistake.

    Payback for cutting Turkey from the F 35 program because it bought the S 400 SAMs from Russia. Turkey should be threatened with NATO expulsion because then it might be encouraged to behave more responsibly although I wonder why it is in NATO to begin with excepting the obvious geographic strategic position in relation to the Black Sea.

  13. Delcon

    Zatara
    #3182860, posted on October 13, 2019 at 12:29 pm
    Just so this doesn’t fall into the forgettery:

    No effing way any national leader, including Erdogan, would have attacked US positions. No effing way.

    – Delcon

    And yet they did. US Special Forces in Syria shelled by Turkish troops

    There are thousands of square miles where those bombs/shells could have landed “by mistake” and yet they just happened to find a US compound.

    So no, more likely a message than a mistake.

    The great irony is that had Trump told Erdogan to pound sand instead of retreating US troops, IMO Erdogan would have never attacked and the troops would have been much safer than they are now. You do not make yourself safer by exuding weakness to a thug.

  14. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    At home she found it hard to deal with practical things. She rang her former Downing Street principal private secretary Charles Powell one Saturday morning complaining that her hot water didn’t work. Powell suggested getting a plumber, but she didn’t know how. He proposed looking in the Yellow Pages, but she didn’t know how to do that either. In the end Powell had to go round and fix the water. This was an obvious job for her children, but they weren’t to be seen. Mark did come occasionally, but her carers felt that a rare visit from Mark was too many visits.

    From the Oz – review of the third and final volume of the biography of the Blessed Saint Hilda.

  15. notafan

    Talk about vivid imaginations

  16. Zatara

    The great irony is that had Trump told Erdogan to pound sand instead of retreating US troops, IMO … blah blah blah.

    Less than 24 hours ago there was “No effing way” according to you. Then it happened. Now we are to respect your “IMO”.

    So do you have any lucky lotto numbers we can avoid?

  17. Roger

    I wonder why it is in NATO to begin with excepting the obvious geographic strategic position in relation to the Black Sea.

    That’s the sum of it, although then Turkey was at least a secular democracy so it also made sense politcally during the Cold War.

    The present difficulty is that there appears to be no mechanism to kick a country out of NATO, although Turkey could leave if it wished to.

  18. zyconoclast

    DOZENS OF TOMBSTONES DESECRATED AT THE BRITISH CEMETERY IN HAIFA – WATCH

    More than 40 tombstones were vandalized at the British war cemetery in Haifa over the weekend.
    Some of the graves were knocked over, while others were covered in graffiti and several with painted [email protected] Three of the graves were completely destroyed. The vandalism was discovered on Friday.

    Several gravestones were also vandalized in the adjoining Templar Cemetery, which saw some of its tombstones defaced in 2017.
    There are no immediate suspects, with police considering it as a possible “hate crime.”

    “We take the desecration of graves in Haifa of World War I heroes very seriously,” said Prime Minister B3njamin N3tanyahu. “We owe them a historical debt for liberating the country from 0tt0man rule and we will do everything possible to find those responsible and bring them to justice.”

    The cemetery contains more than 300 graves of British, Australian, Canadian and Indian soldiers, as well as troops from other former British colonies, who died fighting in [email protected] during both world wars.

    Employees of the cemetery were not sure when the vandalism occurred.

    “It’s painful to hear,” Adel Moore, an employee at the cemetery for over 30 years, told Walla News. “I work here every day, cleaning and organizing. We keep it respectful, so we’re attached to the place. Why would anyone want to hurt a place like this? I don’t understand it at all.”

    The Foreign Ministry expressed its disgust of the incident.

    “We wholeheartedly condemn this hate crime, in which those responsible chose to smash and draw [email protected] on gravestones of Commonwealth soldiers killed during the two world wars.”

  19. Delcon

    Zatara
    #3182870, posted on October 13, 2019 at 12:52 pm
    The great irony is that had Trump told Erdogan to pound sand instead of retreating US troops, IMO … blah blah blah.

    Less than 24 hours ago there was “No effing way” according to you. Then it happened. Now we are to respect your “IMO”.

    So do you have any lucky lotto numbers we can avoid?

    No, but I highly recommend trying to avoid writing anything which involves strong command of logic.
    If my “IMO” bothers you too much, then to make life simple for you, just ignore it.
    There would have been no invasion (and no shelling of US troops by Turkey), had Trump gave Erdogan the middle finger.
    Happy? Did that make it simple enough for you?

  20. Zatara

    In other words you were wrong, but you don’t want to admit it and prefer we move on.

  21. notafan

    just ignore the inconvenient
    any US troops even get scratched?

    U.S. officials say an American outpost in northeastern Syria has been vacated after coming under fire from Turkish artillery.

    The officials say a number of U.S. troops left their post on a hill outside the town of Kobane after it came under fire. The officials say a large base in the town has not been affected by the shelling.

    Turkey says it didn’t target the U.S. outpost but was responding to fire from Kurdish groups nearby.

  22. vr

    Ah Sinc, I had completely forgotten about tha t-shirt. It was indeed funny.

  23. zyconoclast

    How Extinction Rebellion climate change zealots – including a baronet’s Cambridge-educated granddaughter – are paid £400 a week to bring mayhem to our streets

    A dossier of files from within XR reveals the inner workings of the protest movement and its finances.

    They show how:

    -Activists have been paid more than £200,000 since the start of the scheme;
    -The cost of the payments is increasing by ‘at least £40,000 a month’;
    -Activists are targeting ‘high net worth individuals’ for more funds;
    -They spent £5,000 on a camping tour of Europe for key members.
    -The revelations come as the number of activists arrested in the current XR protests approaches 1,300.

    Find some poor people…we’re too white and middle class
    Extinction Rebellion activists have drawn up plans to attract activists who are ‘poor’ and from ethnic minorities in a bid to change the white, middle-class make-up of the movement.

    A document seen by The Mail on Sunday reveals that members have considered an ‘announcement to the working class’.

    The proposed text says: ‘Are you working class? We need you! We are incredibly keen to increase the socio-economic diversity of XR. If you are poor or working class and already a member, please get in touch,’ with an email address underneath.

    Minutes from last month’s meeting of the group’s head ‘Anchor’ group highlighted ‘a lack of representation from disabled people and people of colour’.

  24. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    There would have been no invasion (and no shelling of US troops by Turkey), had Trump gave Erdogan the middle finger.

    Yesterday BoN extensively and repeatedly explained why Trump’s hands are tied on the matter.
    Why do people persist with the fallacy that he can take any form of unilateral action?

  25. Delcon

    Zatara
    #3182875, posted on October 13, 2019 at 1:01 pm
    In other words you were wrong, but you don’t want to admit it and prefer we move on

    My words would be that you are not the brightest crayon, but your words can be whatever you want, I guess.

  26. EvilElvis

    Smashed on ankle by flying lump of wood whilst wielding the blockbuster.

    Foot gone purply blue can’t walk and sore as buggery. Using a stick with an old sock around the end for a crutch.

    Day 3 and no improvement. Thinking about using the bush saw to remove offending extremity.

    Can’t drive can’t surf can’t walk. Trapped alone in the camp with dwindling supplies.

    Who thought it might end like this?

    The good news is I don’t feel the need to call a counsellor for mental health support.

    When the time comes, lop off your bad leg for food first. That should get you a week. Get back to us if things get really desperate.

  27. Old Ozzie:

    I purchased HD Version of The Greatest Show on Earth from Google Play for $14.99 and have shown it to my Grandkids on my 65″ wall tv to show them what a real circus used to be like.

    If you’d like, I can send a truckload of elephant, camel, and goat shit, mixed with sawdust to lend some ‘atmosphere’.

  28. Zatara

    My words would be that you are not the brightest crayon, but your words can be whatever you want, I guess.

    No mate, your words were:

    No effing way any national leader, including Erdogan, would have attacked US positions. No effing way.

    Which is now proven bullshit.

    Do carry on tho. Even moronic posts count towards the site rankings.

  29. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    On a completely different note, if you’ve got Netflix, watch “Stranger Things”.
    Best show I’ve watched in over a decade, including big budget movies.
    Entertaining. Funny. Heart-warming. Riveting. And oft-times scary.

  30. Roger

    There would have been no invasion (and no shelling of US troops by Turkey), had Trump gave Erdogan the middle finger.

    For better or worse, Turkey is an ally and clearly Erdogan couldn’t be dissuaded.

    It makes little sense for Trump to then leave 1000 US troops in harm’s way or, worse, to threaten war with Turkey for the sake of a militant Marxist-Leninist revolutionary movement that Turkey – and indeed many Syrian Kurds who wish to return to the area – deems a terrorist organisation.

  31. Roger

    On a completely different note, if you’ve got Netflix, watch “Stranger Things”.

    Thanks for the tip, Peter.

    My wife is a Netflix junkie on her days off.

    This might be something we can both enjoy 😉

  32. Twostix

    Turkey says it didn’t target the U.S. outpost but was responding to fire from Kurdish groups nearby.

    Exactly.

    Kurds being communist shits and schooled in the art of causing trouble knew the US were there and so deliberately set up shop nearby and started shooting at Turkey.

    Knowing retarded neocons would fall for the bait when Turkey shot back “Turkey is shooting at americans! Let’s have ww3!”

    Nobody is buying it except dumbo neocons.

  33. On a completely different note, if you’ve got Netflix, watch “Stranger Things”.

    Important rider: This show is Science Fiction.

  34. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    This might be something we can both enjoy

    Dunno how old you and the wife are, Roger, but if you’re old enough to date back to the days of actually studying classical English Lit at high school, you will see all the footprints – character, conflict, conclusion, denouement, with plenty of action for good measure.

    Think of it as a collaboration between Homer, Shakespeare, Stephen King and Spielberg.
    Brilliantly acted to boot.

  35. Roger

    Dunno how old you and the wife are, Roger, but if you’re old enough to date back to the days of actually studying classical English Lit at high school…

    Yes, I am that old!

  36. Zatara

    Twostix,

    The Turks knew exactly who they were firing at.

    Any Turkish fire control map has big red areas on them – no fire zones because Americans operate there.

    They would rather sleep with a slab of bacon than fire into those areas… unless they were sending a message. And they were.

  37. calli

    Thanks for the tip, MV. I have some work coming up that can be combined with a binge-session. The last one was The Sinner 1&2. Preferred 2 but both good.

  38. Johno

    Has anyone else noticed that trolls are all sarcastic bastards? Take Sniffy,Monty and now Delcon and they all have that thread of supercillious ,sarcastric condescension running through them. Mater has explained in detail why President Trump has his hands tied but still it waffles on.

  39. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    Yes, I am that old!

    Good! Then you both should enjoy it.
    Don’t be fooled that it starts off appearing to be a kid’s show – it isn’t.

  40. Sinclair Davidson

    I had completely forgotten about that t-shirt.

    Ha. I still remember you cackling like a hyena. You thought it so funny.

  41. Johno

    Peter that is interesting about Stranger things. I just looked at the blurbs and assumed it was teens stuff .I might give it a go.If You are wrong I shall talk about you behind your back.

  42. Twostix

    Leftists and exiled neocons teaming up and attempting to start ww3 again because they don’t like Trump and the everyman who backs him.

    Look we’re really going to have to consider criminalising their immensely dangerous extremist opinions and activities before they get us wrapped up in a stupid ww1 style genocide of our young men again.

  43. Bruce of Newcastle

    and in the latest Kardashian news

    It’s hard to keep up…

    Kim Kardashian laments painful Met Gala dress: ‘If I got to pee, it’s a problem’ (12 Oct)

    Kylie Jenner Says She ‘Can’t Wait to Have More Babies’ After Travis Scott Split (12 Oct)

    No I didn’t search, saw these two headlines today, but not the Armenian baptism one! Good to hear.

    If you took away the Kardashians and Donald Trump the US MSM would immediately shrink by half.

  44. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    I have some work coming up that can be combined with a binge-session.

    Be careful, Calli.
    Thursday night I thought I’d watch the first episode before having an early night.
    Instead I spent all night watching season one (eight episodes). Friday night was season two (nine episodes) and last night was season three (eight episodes). Now I’m hanging out for the release of season 4. Episodes are a bit under an hour each.

    Wikipedia gives a good background to it, and the authors, the Duffer Brothers.

  45. Twostix

    The Turks knew exactly who they were firing at.

    Any Turkish fire control map has big red areas on them – no fire zones because Americans operate there.

    This is the exact sort of thing that pro palestinian leftists say when israel shoots up hospitals and schools.

    Don’t be dim. Kurdish communists were attempting to create an incident to force the US to stay.

  46. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    If You are wrong I shall talk about you behind your back.

    No need, Johno.
    Just ridicule me to my face – none of the other Cats seem to have any trouble.
    It’s a good thing I have such a carefree, effervescent sense of humour.

  47. Bruce of Newcastle

    No effing way any national leader, including Erdogan, would have attacked US positions. No effing way.

    Turkey shot down a Russian fighter. That shows much bigger cojones than shelling a few Seals.

    Of course a war with Russia or the US is to be preferred by Erdogan than being hung from a lamppost, which is not entirely impossible.

  48. stackja

    Johno
    #3182900, posted on October 13, 2019 at 1:45 pm
    Has anyone else noticed that trolls are all sarcastic bastards? Take Sniffy,Monty and now Delcon and they all have that thread of supercillious ,sarcastric condescension running through them.

    To me they are one in the same. Only Sinc probably knows and it. Just more scrolling, scrolling…

  49. areff

    Bad Blood on Stan is good value. Anthony LaPaglia as a Montreal mob boss. Series II almost as good, but not quite.

  50. Twostix

    Iraq has zero Christians left.

    Now neocons want us to ally with hillbilly muzzie communists and go to war against Turkey.

    This is after they failed to gin up a thermonuclear war with russia for the last five years.

    I’m starting to think neocons might not have our best interests at heart.

  51. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    which is not entirely impossible.

    Not to mention being highly desirable.

  52. Infidel Tiger

    The Kurds will again make an alliance with the Russians and their client state Syria.

    These are centuries old divisions the west has no business being in.

    All the important action is going to be playing out in the Asia Pacific and the US needs to refocus. It has squandered untold treasure and blood on futile misadventure. The neocons should all be in Gitmo or hanging from gallows, not opining on geopolitics like they actually achieved anything worthy.

  53. Oh come on

    Don’t be dim. Kurdish communists were attempting to create an incident to force the US to stay.

    This seems likely. Funny how quickly (and conveniently) it happened after the US withdrawal was announced and the Turks moved in. The timing is more than a little suspicious. Like the claim of IS prisoners escaping.

  54. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    The neocons should all be in Gitmo or hanging from gallows,

    I’m afraid I’m lost. Help me IT:
    Are the neocons libertarians?
    Or baby boomers?
    Or both?

  55. TFM;

    Is disagree about the Me 110, it was the Me 210 which was the real stinker.

    In agreement with you there. The Me110 could have been an excellent ground attack aircraft, the usual story of Hitler demanding multiple role aircraft meant that an awful lot of German aircraft design suffered with overly complicated flaws.
    The Ju 88, for example, was delayed into service by the demand the wing be redesigned so it could also be used in the dive bombing role.
    The Me110 had an overly complex wing design to enable it to carry enough fuel to stay with the bombers. As an escort fighter, it had no real need of the rear gunner/navigator position. This was just another half ton of extra weight. Had they redesigned the fuselage/wing and put in the larger 1,330 hp Daimler-Benz DB 601F engines, it would have been capable of doing the job.
    Adding a cluster of four 12.7mm guns or 2 x 20mm cannon in the voluminous nose would have made it a capable ground attack machine.

  56. Zatara

    Don’t be dim. Kurdish communists were attempting to create an incident to force the US to stay.

    Or, the Turks had an “accident” to encourage the US lads to go. From my experience in the region, I pick the push.

    Either way, they misread Trump.

  57. Infidel Tiger

    In its strict sense, neocon was the descriptive used to describe the blood lust filled leftists who wanted perpetual war and so made nice with the charming idiot GWB and his cabal of lunatics.

  58. Tel

    The Kurds will again make an alliance with the Russians and their client state Syria.

    Turkey won’t give back the land they are taking, Erdogan is very much the empire builder.

    More interesting is his plan for refugees and immigrants … He dumps them back onto the newly discovered Turkish land that was at one stage part of Syria and then briefly Kurdistan. Now if Pauline Hanson made a suggestion that Australia invade some nearby island like New Zealand and dump surplus to requirement population over there … gosh I think there would be name calling. Weird how it’s OK when Turkey does this. Anyone want to bet on whether we will hear protest over Turkish immigration policy?

  59. TFM:

    Lower octane fuels and refusal to upgrade refineries to produce the better stuff meant they traded off weight for power.

    This has been a subject we had with TE and MarkA.
    It appears there is some confusion with the method of octane rating between the US and Germany. Quite a bit of research has been done but there hasn’t really been a definitive position put forward.
    There are references to German fuel production levels being capable of meeting Luftwaffe 100 octane rated fuel during the entire war period, but it would take some hunting for me to find it.

  60. Bruce of Newcastle

    Iraq has zero Christians left.

    Actually no. It keeps generating more of them.

    Some mueslis are so disillusioned with the ji hadi kiddies they’ve been checking out the claims about Jesus. Many have become Christians as a result. They’re in terrible danger of course.

    [Christian] Assyrian School Opens in Iraq After 4 Year Takeover By ISIS (19 Sep)
    Five years later, Iraq’s Christians continue to recover from ISIS’ invasion (6 Aug)

    And the one I recalled about disgusted mueslis:

    Thousands of Mu slims In Northern Iraq Converting to Christianity After Witnessing IS IS Horror, Ministry Reveals: ‘They’re Just Sick of Is lam’ (2015)

  61. Des Deskperson:
    Didn’t the Italians lose a rather large amount of these over GB when the joined in the Battle o’ Britain?
    I vaguely remember a bit about it in “Reach For The Sky” or it might have been Pierre Clostermans “The Big Show.” Apparently, they were able to carry a fairly large consignment of Chianti.

  62. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    Turkey won’t give back the land they are taking,
    Erdogan is very much the empire builder.

    Don’t be silly, Tel.
    The only reason Erdogan has gone into Syria is to tackle the Kurdish “problem”.
    If you doubt this, ask any Cat. Or just read their comments about it yesterday.

  63. Bruce of Newcastle

    The Kurds will again make an alliance with the Russians and their client state Syria.

    Unlikely. Assad is extremely unhappy with the impudence of the Kurds who want a part of his country. And the Russians will support the Syrians as that is a medium/long term strategy to maintain a foothold in the Med plus a lock on the oil/gas land route from Iran/Saudi.

    Syria and Russia and client mueslis have been trying to get the Idlib pocket back in the last several months, but Turkey supported their client mueslis to prevent it. That front seems to have bogged down so expect Putin and Assad to have another test probe over the Euphrates. The last attempt didn’t go well for them, especially for all the Russians who returned home in big plastic bags.

  64. calli

    Don’t ask me. I’m clueless.

    But the discussion has been very interesting. Which is as it should be.

  65. Infidel Tiger

    Kurds have already announced they are striking a deal with Russians.

  66. thefrollickingmole

    Winston Smith

    the usual story of Hitler demanding multiple role aircraft

    Weird fixation he had on that, the refusal to let designers specialize and optimize beyond a few airframeshad to have hurt overall.

    Im aware of the octane muddle, but as that vid points out the germans werent achieving the manifold pressures because their fuel lacked the grunt.
    They came up with lots of ingenious “fixes” but in effect they were at least 15% lower powered and all their “fixes” added weight.

    There is a far better vid i posted here last year which Im unable to find now which did a very good job of explaining the limitations.

    They also had plenty of engines to reverse engineer which they apparently didnt do much.

  67. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    Kurds have already announced they are striking a deal with Russians.

    As did Hitler.

  68. John Constantine:

    Big Australia with rewilding of rivers and twenty mass imported consumption machine millions in melbourne and sydney will have recycled sewer water in the taps.

    It’s almost as if they refuse to build the dams so they can force us to drink effluent.

  69. Delcon

    I’d say name calling without any argument is a good sign you are losing the argument.
    Without a doubt, talk of physical violence against opposing opinions and/or criminalisation of opinion are such signs.
    Note to self: if you are ever about to suggest exercising physical (Lizzie), criminalising (twostix) or, certainly, executing (IT) someone with an opinion contrasting yours, then you are wrong and they are right.
    I thought Gillian Triggs, Tim Southwhathisname and their 18C are dangerous fascists. Fuck, they’ve got nothing on some of the loonies here once these grt started.

  70. The Countess

    There’s a pretty good documentary on The Circus on Netflix at the moment. Looks at the beginnings of both Barnum and Bailey, and Ringling Brothers, then at their merger. It’s very interesting.

  71. Roger

    The ABC’s foreign correspondents are now basically the press office, Australian division, of the Kurdish YPG.

    Your taxes at work, comrades.

  72. Top Ender

    Then again, the Brewster Buffalo must be the worst fighter in history.

    It also proves the old theory of if an aircraft looks like a dog, it doubtless flies like a dog.

  73. Apparently, they were able to carry a fairly large consignment of Chianti.

    Lol.
    The debunking of that on the WWII real time on Twitter was most instructive.

  74. Infidel Tiger

    Delcon change that moniker please.

    You are a leftist stooge

  75. Notafan:

    Turkey says it didn’t target the U.S. outpost but was responding to fire from Kurdish groups nearby.

    This is the sort of shit that the Kurds get up to. Walk up to a spot between two different lots of troops, let off a dozen mortar rounds, then sneak off giggling at the their little prank while the two innocent parties shoot each other up.
    It’s why everybody hates the pricks.

  76. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    It also proves the old theory of if an aircraft looks like a dog, it doubtless flies like a dog.

    Don’t have a reference, but there’s an account of a Brewster Pilot, in the opening weeks of World War Two, trying vainly to gain height, while a Zero literally flew “rings around him.”

  77. Delcon

    Infidel Tiger
    #3182942, posted on October 13, 2019 at 2:53 pm
    Delcon change that moniker please.

    You are a leftist stooge

    Says who? The guy who talks about locking up and executing people who have opinions different to his?
    By the way, is Nikky Haley also a leftist stooge? Is Sinc? Asking for a friend.

  78. Zyco:

    Minutes from last month’s meeting of the group’s head ‘Anchor’ group highlighted ‘a lack of representation from disabled people and people of colour’.

    Shouldn’t that be “…people of odour?”

  79. Zyco:

    The cemetery contains more than 300 graves of British, Australian, Canadian and Indian soldiers, as well as troops from other former British colonies, who died fighting in [email protected] during both world wars.

    Bring them home.

  80. cohenite

    Trump and Syria:
    US, under Trump, reached an agreement with the SDF (Syrian Democratic Force) to fight isis
    SDF has some Kurds in it but also Syrians and Iraqis.
    Most of the Kurds are under the PKK who are violent commies and who do suicide attacks on Turkey
    The SDF guard the Al Hol prison camp which has ~ 80ooo isis members, mainly women and kids who originally came from Syria and other parts of the ME plus Europe.
    Turkey wants some of the land that SDF now occupy to push the refugees back and also as a buffer against the PKK.

    Trump promised during his campaign to remove US troops from the ME.
    There is no benefit to the US in staying in Syria.
    Turkey, Iran and Syria will squabble about the territory now occupied by the SDF.

    Who the fuck knows how that dynamic will pan out but the big mistake the US has always made with the ME is to pick favourites or winners. It can’t be done, the ME is intractable because it is where RoP dominates.

    Trump did the right thing in leaving but he has to sell it so the swamp and rinos and the neocons don’t twist it.

  81. Infidel Tiger

    Nikki Haley is an awful person and yes, she is a leftist stooge.

  82. Poider:

    Dunno how old you and the wife are, Roger, but if you’re old enough to date back to the days of actually studying classical English Lit at high school, you will see all the footprints – character, conflict, conclusion, denouement, with plenty of action for good measure.
    Think of it as a collaboration between Homer, Shakespeare, Stephen King and Spielberg.
    Brilliantly acted to boot.

    Important question – are there any tits?

  83. duncanm

    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
    #3182855, posted on October 13, 2019 at 12:24 pm

    From the Oz. Kristina Keneally’s latest brainfart.

    I do wonder – are they her own brainfarts, or someone elses?

    She is seriously fishing for the ‘gotcha’ political moment that will propel her to the leadership.

  84. Infidel Tiger

    Nikki Haley is Julie Bishop with a tan and about 15litres less filler.

  85. Top Ender

    Bill Thompson is featured over at Quadrant.

  86. min

    Lord Howe Is. is going to have solar batteries , instead of generators I guess, to keep their electricity on . No night flights no hospital emergencies and as they do not have night footy or cricket no problem.

  87. Tel

    The only reason Erdogan has gone into Syria is to tackle the Kurdish “problem”.
    If you doubt this, ask any Cat. Or just read their comments about it yesterday.

    Some reference would be handy for specifics on that, just as a precaution not to be verballing anybody.

  88. Bruce of Newcastle

    Turkey wants some of the land that SDF now occupy to push the refugees back and also as a buffer against the PKK.

    Erdogan wants to be Sultan of the Sunnis, which means as much acreage for his glory that he can wangle, steal or conquer.

    He’s very good at coming up with sexy excuses for the MSM to sell to useful idiots. Bad nasty terrorist Kurds is a tried and true fable he has used many times.

    I should add that heroic Turkish Army generals have been lovingly covered by Haber for the last couple months. The Turkish news is on SBS around the time of the 11:30am news on Seven and Nein, so I get to see some of the stories when channel flipping during ads. Haber is very Reifenstahl-like.

  89. MatrixTransform

    Asking for a friend

    I’d say yr rapidly running out of them because you’re at war with everybody that’s responded to you

    this isnt a place for the thin-skinned

    medicine for the easily offended

  90. duncanm

    min
    #3182957, posted on October 13, 2019 at 3:09 pm

    Lord Howe Is. is going to have solar batteries , instead of generators I guess, to keep their electricity on

    Lord Howe is the sort of place where expensive renewballs make sense.

    Shipping diesel out there gets pretty expensive… and I’m sure they’ll keep the generators for nights and backup, anyway.

  91. JC

    Get the pop corn and watch this one.

    Washington state’s growing population of gray wolves is exposing deep divides among residents and testing civility among its top decision makers.

    And managing the animals is about to get more complicated, as the state begins drawing up a new wolf-management plan and weighing whether to establish a hunting season.

    The wolves, nearly nonexistent in the northwestern state for almost a century, have grown in numbers about 28% each year since 2008, about a decade after they were introduced to Idaho, Montana and Wyoming. By late last year, Washington had at least 126 wolves and 27 packs.

    The wolves’ resurgence has brought cheers from conservationists, who view them as symbolic, charismatic creatures that can improve the state’s ecosystems and jeers from ranchers and livestock owners, who see them as killers that threaten their livelihoods. Now, with wolves expected to reach their targeted recovery levels in a few years, the debate over how to manage the population is intensifying. Officials recently canceled three public meetings about wolves after threats of violence and disruption.

    “This is probably the biggest story for Washington, and I won’t do it justice describing it,” said Donny Martorello, the wolf policy lead for the state’s Department of Fish and Wildlife. “There is such a culture divide when it comes to wolves.”

    Wolves were largely eradicated across the western U.S. over the course of the 20th century, targeted by government agencies and hunted by ranchers and other private citizens. In 1995, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service relocated some wolves to the Greater Yellowstone Ecosystem, leading to their resurgence in the West.

    I bet there’s a cultural divide.

    WSJ
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/wolf-resurgence-in-washington-state-tests-limits-of-civility-11570885202

  92. Tel

    I’m afraid I’m lost. Help me IT:
    Are the neocons libertarians?
    Or baby boomers?
    Or both?

    https://mises.org/library/betrayal-american-right-0

    It was an organized takeover.

  93. Zatara

    the Brewster Buffalo must be the worst fighter in history.

    Hans might disagree.

  94. JC

    Tel please, not Murray Rothbad.

    He had great ideas, but boy he had some bad ones too.

  95. cohenite

    Think of it as a collaboration between Homer, Shakespeare, Stephen King and Spielberg.
    Brilliantly acted to boot.

    What’s this?

  96. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    Some reference would be handy for specifics on that,

    Sorry Tel.
    I didn’t realise rampant sarcasm required references.

    Yesterday Cats were in almost total agreement that the whole thing was a matter of Erdogan dealing with Kurdish “terrorists” and good luck to him, they said. When I humbly suggested that he might have designs other than squashing the Kurds I was soundly ridiculed – as is standard practice.

    About the only person making consistently sensible comments on the matter, is BoN.

  97. JC

    This sold for $2.18 million at auction over the weekend. FMD. Forget the house, but even the block is tiny by the looks of it.

    https://static.ffx.io/images/$zoom_0.353%2C$multiply_1.1709%2C$ratio_1.776846%2C$width_1059%2C$x_0%2C$y_94/t_crop_custom/e_sharpen:25%2Cq_42%2Cf_auto/cbee23c71fe83a92290fd26769e91ce15d1775df

    This would have been considered a working class worker’s cottage in the old days.

  98. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    What’s this?

    A cut and pasted comment.

  99. Chris

    The ABC’s foreign correspondents are now basically the press office, Australian division, of the Kurdish YPG.

    Your taxes at work, comrades.

    Only for the instant they can say about this ‘Orange man bad’. Otherwise the ABC hateses the Kurds for being enemies of America’s enemies.

  100. Mitch M.

    Yesterday Cats were in almost total agreement that the whole thing was a matter of Erdogan dealing with Kurdish “terrorists” and good luck to him, they said. When I humbly suggested that he might have designs other than squashing the Kurds I was soundly ridiculed – as is standard practice.

    Killing Kurds is more likely to increase terrorist attacks. Turkey is invading Syria which requires immediate expulsion from NATO and action against Turkey. Erdogan wants to be the new strong man of the ME. It’s not about terrorism, something else is in play here, perhaps even a long term view to occupying more of Syria.

  101. jupes

    Killing Kurds is more likely to increase terrorist attacks.

    Only if we invite them to live here. Otherwise why would a Kurd want to travel to Australia to kill Australians as revenge for a Turkish assault?

  102. Delcon

    cohenite
    #3182951, posted on October 13, 2019 at 3:05 pm
    Trump and Syria:
    US, under Trump, reached an agreement with the SDF (Syrian Democratic Force) to fight isis
    SDF has some Kurds in it but also Syrians and Iraqis.
    Most of the Kurds are under the PKK who are violent commies and who do suicide attacks on Turkey
    The SDF guard the Al Hol prison camp which has ~ 80ooo isis members, mainly women and kids who originally came from Syria and other parts of the ME plus Europe.
    Turkey wants some of the land that SDF now occupy to push the refugees back and also as a buffer against the PKK.

    Trump promised during his campaign to remove US troops from the ME.
    There is no benefit to the US in staying in Syria.
    Turkey, Iran and Syria will squabble about the territory now occupied by the SDF.

    Who the fuck knows how that dynamic will pan out but the big mistake the US has always made with the ME is to pick favourites or winners. It can’t be done, the ME is intractable because it is where RoP dominates.

    Trump did the right thing in leaving but he has to sell it so the swamp and rinos and the neocons don’t twist it.

    The main problem the US has, is that it has the strongest military in the world, in a post-colonialist era.
    In the 1800, things were very simple: you had the strongest army, you colonised others.
    Then, at the end of the 1800s, the principle of self-determination arose in the West, which essentially was inconsistent with colonization.
    Ever since then, the US has to fight its wars overseas not as a conquering army, but as an ally.
    Except, usually it has no good allies.
    The US should understand that war is a total business.
    You either go in hard as a conquering force, or you don’t go in at all.
    The West is far superior in military might, but it fights its wars under a philosophy that you don’t fight to conquer, but you only fight for peace.
    This philosophy can only work if the enemy shares this philosophy. Except the West’s enemies do not share the West’s philosophy.
    The West wants to impose its values on others, and doesn’t understand that it can either impose its military might on others, or surrender.

  103. Mitch M.

    Only if we invite them to live here. Otherwise why would a Kurd want to travel to Australia to kill Australians as revenge for a Turkish assault?

    Attacks in Turkey.

  104. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    Erdogan wants to reestablish at least a portion of the old Ottaman empire as a caliphate, with himself as the Caliph. Trump’s election was a stumbling block – at least up to now. No, I don’t know what has now emboldened him to continue. I thought he would wait until Trump was out of the way in 2020, or 2024, depending on U.S. presidential election reults.

    Whatever the reason, the Kurds have SFA to do with his latest actions, other than provide a publicity cover for them.

  105. Zatara

    the Brewster Buffalo must be the worst fighter in history.

    Apologies for the revisit to the topic but the lady has been defamed.

    Apparently Finland bought 44 Brewster Buffalos in 1939.

    – 37 Finnish pilots made Ace while flying them.
    – They shot down 15 Soviet Spitfires and 58 Hurricanes.
    – The Buffalo’s combat losses in Finland were 19 planes which gives a kill-ratio of about 26:1.
    The most successful airframe was BW-364 with 42.5 kills making it the most successful single fighter airframe in the world

    They were at least as successful in Asia as the Spitfires and Hurricanes, which is to say not at all. And they got the shite shot out of them at Midway, even with Marine pilots. Obviously not designed to fight the Zero.

    Overall, in the fights she was built for, she sounds a fairly decent fighter to me.

  106. Infidel Tiger

    Killing Kurds is more likely to increase terrorist attacks. Turkey is invading Syria which requires immediate expulsion from NATO and action against Turkey. Erdogan wants to be the new strong man of the ME. It’s not about terrorism, something else is in play here, perhaps even a long term view to occupying more of Syria.

    Erdogan sees himself as heir to the Ottoman Empire. Putin sees himself as Peter The Great reincarnated.

    Should be interesting watching it play out. Nothing to do with Australia or the US.

  107. Muddy

    Slightly off-topic, but regarding the aircraft posts: Who knew that an Australian Wirraway shot down a Japanese fighter aircraft over Buna, Papua, in late 1942? Off the top of my head, I cannot recall if it was a Type O (people frequently think that the Japanese flew only ‘Zekes’ during the war).

  108. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Jeez Delcon, just caught up with you being upset with me at 7.21 last nite. I was definitely not saying that there were none on this blog who would go against Trump’s decision on Syria. I merely suggested that a large group here would be indeterminate by which I meant they may have no firm view either way on this very complex issue. Also, I had in mind that I would not necessarily know the various positions held. As you can see I am often late doing catch-ups

    Sorry to hear you think all of my comments here are worthless. I won’t return the favor as I think you are making a useful and generally well-considered contribution. No-one’s forcing you to read my comments nor anyone else’s. I scroll over a lot of stuff with barely half a glance so expect people may also do it to me.

    It’s a robust environment. Luckily, I am used to those. 🙂

  109. thefrollickingmole

    Great allies Delcon has.

    Top men…
    https://www.marxist.com/down-with-the-turkish-war-of-aggression-against-rojava.htm

    The struggle of the Kurdish people for the right to live freely according to their own wishes and to have their own homeland is the struggle of all workers and youth against the capitalist class, which is dragging humanity down into a cesspool of barbarism. All over the Middle East, the masses have had enough of this sick and rotten class and are once again moving in a revolutionary direction. By linking up with the masses in the region, the Kurdish liberation movement can turn the fight against Turkish imperialism into a struggle for the overthrow of the capitalist regimes throughout the region. In place of these barbaric regimes, a socialist society can guarantee the peaceful and harmonious coexistence of all the oppressed people who have suffered so much under the weight of the narrow self-interest of the ruling classes.

  110. Muddy

    Who also knew that U.S. troops shot down an Australian Boomerang A/C aircraft at Nassau Bay, New Guinea, in early July, 1943? It was the first entry to the area of a Boomerang, which apparently resembled a Japanese Zeke, and despite being notified of the possible appearance of the new aircraft, the Boomerang appeared at the U.S. beachhead just after a hostile air raid, and was mistakenly shot down. The Australian pilot was killed.

  111. cohenite

    The West is far superior in military might, but it fights its wars under a philosophy that you don’t fight to conquer, but you only fight for peace.
    This philosophy can only work if the enemy shares this philosophy. Except the West’s enemies do not share the West’s philosophy.
    The West wants to impose its values on others, and doesn’t understand that it can either impose its military might on others, or surrender.

    It’s a conundrum within the West as well with the left not recognising any rules or constraints. The conservatives/non-left still think there are rules and an end-game consistent with democracy.

  112. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Delcon at 2.36. I don’t think I have ever recommended violence against anyone here nor received threats of it here. Maybe I have just not understood the context of your comment. See my name there and did wonder though

  113. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    I have a very old Biblical treatise titled “Rightly Dividing The Word” packed away somewhere that claims the Kurds are the remnants of one or more of the Ten Lost Tribes of Is rail.

    Can anyone expand on that theory?

  114. thefrollickingmole

    Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    I did highlight the stunning coincidence that the Kurds have some of Syrias most productive oil regions under their control.

    I dont think the Turk will be quick leaving that area if he gets that far.

    Its baddies Vs baddies in the ME again, let them knock 10 shades of shit out of each other again.

  115. min

    Liberal hegemony has not worked , since 2006 liberal democracies have decreased . Trump realises this and is suggesting that NATO takes over.

  116. Zatara

    Its baddies Vs baddies in the ME again, let them knock 10 shades of shit out of each other again.

    Bingo.

  117. Ellie

    Lizzie, darling – your comments are far from worthless! Mine are though – lol. I’m, at this very moment, taking a bubble bath. You did last night. Don’t drop the … soap … I mean phone. I have a gentleman caller arriving soon. “Gentleman caller”. Such an old fashioned saying. Fuck! He’s an old school conservative. Surely I get a ✔ for that! 😁

  118. Overburdened

    Winston Smith 10:40ish

    Prior to the creation of Iraq at the end of WW1 in a deal by to manage the post Empire situation and to try and maintain regional control.

    Of course the locals didn’t have much input so their usual tribally based semi- or autonomous areas got lumped in together in a mix that would be a culture shock for all and especially the Kurds.

    Saddam Hussein got the closest to a being a unifying leader.

    His general view was reflected by his statement that no strong warrior comes from a land of plenty.

    He was Assyrian and had his affiliations, and ruled with an iron fist.

    Luckily America decided that it was time for him to go, so that the whole show fell in a heap.

  119. Muddy

    cohenite
    #3182989, posted on October 13, 2019 at 4:15 pm

    It’s a conundrum within the West as well with the left not recognising any rules or constraints. The conservatives/non-left still think there are rules and an end-game consistent with democracy.

    We have become hypnotised with our own moral righteousness, cohenite; to the degree that, alone (by choice) on the very highest peak of morality, we are blissfully unaware and unconcerned with what is happening beneath the clouds that surround us. Having claimed that very highest moral peak, we find ourselves having climbed too high, unable to enjoy the view, but refusing to acknowledge the choices which lead us here. Please excuse my ignorance, but were not pride or vanity one of the original sins?

  120. RobK

    Min,
    Re: Lord Howe Island
    https://therising-co.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/therising.co/2019/10/12/australian-government-lord-howe-island-solar-battery-systems/amp/?amp_js_v=0.1&usqp=mq331AQCKAE%3D#origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com.au&prerenderSize=1&visibilityState=prerender&paddingTop=32&p2r=0&horizontalScrolling=0&csi=1&aoh=15709432830673&viewerUrl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com.au%2Famp%2Fs%2Ftherising.co%2F2019%2F10%2F12%2Faustralian-government-lord-howe-island-solar-battery-systems%2Famp%2F&history=1&storage=1&cid=1&cap=navigateTo%2Ccid%2CfullReplaceHistory%2Cfragment%2CreplaceUrl

    The 1.2 MW solar PV array will be paired with a battery system with over 3.2 MWh capacity. ARENA CEO Darren Miller said lessons learned during the building of the project would be applied to the energy needs of other remote communities outside of the island.
    “The announcement of this project is a fantastic result for the Lord Howe Island community and visitors alike. The island will be able to reduce its reliance upon imported diesel fuel for generating electricity. We are reducing the environmental impact of our energy supply while also improving energy security,” he said.

    Adams added that the renewable energy system proposed for the island will help it to retain its important World Heritage status.

    “We set a target to reduce our diesel use by two-thirds, and we believe we will not only meet that target but potentially exceed it. To achieve this result without detracting from the World Heritage values of Lord Howe Island is a result that everyone should celebrate.”

    The existing electricity supply is arranged like this (they are effectively doubling up):

    Electricity
    The Lord Howe Island Board is responsible for the operation and maintenance of the island’s electricity generation and transmission system with an underground electrical reticulation system servicing 275 customers. The electricity generation system is housed in a centrally located powerhouse and consists of 3 x 300kW MTU Detroit Series 60 diesel generating units. In addition to this there is 1 x 425 kW MTU Detroit Series 70 diesel generating unit that provides backup power in the event of major failure of the Series 60 generators.

    https://www.lhib.nsw.gov.au/infrastructure/electricity

  121. Oh come on

    Attacks in Turkey.

    That’s Turkey’s problem. No one promised there won’t be blowback for doing what they’re doing. Once the Turkish Kurds are officially out of Syria, there’s a pretty solid chance they’ll again fire up their insurgency within Turkey. Again, this is a problem for Turkey, and quite a good one from our perspective, as Turkey isn’t the ally it used to be and it’s a decent outcome for us if Turkey is weakened fighting an ongoing Kurdish insurgency.

    I am not pro-Turk (quite the opposite). I am not pro-PKK/YPG, either. The conflict between them is exactly that – between them. We ought not be involved. It is a very good thing that we now are not.

  122. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Delcon, the main threads here have had plenty of criticism of Trump. Quite a variety of perspectives are put up. Don’t blame Sinclair for opinions expressed in the comments anywhere.

  123. Ellie

    I wish my gentleman caller was Donald Trump.

  124. thefrollickingmole

    Not mad at all.
    Definitely sane and not wibble wibble my old mans a dustman heeeeyup cuckoo for coco pops mad.
    Why do you ask..

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/oct/12/extinction-rebellion-activists-open-new-fronts-across-london-as-protests-escalate
    The protest at Billingsgate, the UK’s largest inland fish market, by Extinction Rebellion’s animal rebellion chapter began early on Saturday when protesters blocked the entrance. One demonstrator locked herself to the gate. Police initially tried to prevent the protesters from reaching the market but relented after negotiations, the group said.

    “At London’s Billingsgate market, thousands of fish, stolen daily from their ocean homes, lie dead or dying,” said Kerri Waters, a spokesperson for Animal Rebellion. “Many will have suffocated slowly when pulled aboard fishing vessels, while thousands of others remain alive as they’re transported by lorry to the market, where they’ll be gutted or boiled alive.”

    Also if you want every stereotype of the people involved confirmed they have a set of pics on their own page which show in general how pale, and small the groups are.

    https://rebellion.earth/2019/10/10/xr-unchained-3-2/

  125. RobK

    It’s likely that the Lord Howe Island RE project is a good idea. If it is to work anywhere it should work there, displacing some expensive diesel. The kangaroo island project was a bit of a fiasco. Still 11 million for 275 subscribers is quite a subsidy, then the credits on top. It’s the way of the world, but for how long?

  126. A Lurker

    Well now this is a surprise…not!

    A cluster of “moderate” Liberals have jumped into bed with the Greens’ Adam Bandt, Get-Up!’s Zali Steggall and other leftists… To change the climate.
    The Parliamentary Friends of Climate Action boasts Liberals Tim Wilson, Dave Sharma, Jason Falinski, Katie Allen, Angie Bell and Trent Zimmerman.
    Read “the usual suspects.”
    Established by Centre Alliance’s (formerly known as the Nick Xenophon Team) Rebekha Sharkie and shortest-term-ever Kerryn Phelps late last year, GetUp!’s candidate of choice Zali Steggall is deputy chair of the climate action group.
    The group aims to serve as a safe place for climate action, away from the “partisan politics”.

  127. Steve trickler

    Avi, mingling with some ER filth.



  128. Overburdened

    EvilElvis

    Ahead of you bloke.

    If I’m going down it will be in a blaze of glory.

    Ironically, if things don’t work out l will miss out on taking myself into the ocean for the exit, but shit happens.

  129. jupes

    The US should understand that war is a total business.
    You either go in hard as a conquering force, or you don’t go in at all.
    The West is far superior in military might, but it fights its wars under a philosophy that you don’t fight to conquer, but you only fight for peace.
    This philosophy can only work if the enemy shares this philosophy. Except the West’s enemies do not share the West’s philosophy.
    The West wants to impose its values on others, and doesn’t understand that it can either impose its military might on others, or surrender.

    Now you are starting to make some sense.

  130. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    Its baddies Vs baddies in the ME again, let them knock 10 shades of shit out of each other again.

    Unfortunately I don’t think Erdogan’s plans are limited to the ME. Implementation of his Grand Plan requires control of the Black Sea. That means control of at least the coastal areas and ports of Bulgaria, Romania, Moldova, and Azerbaijan, plus some arrangement with Russia (for the time being) re The Crimea and the nominally independent, Russia aligned states in Georgia.

  131. Shy Ted

    Tonight on ABC – Hannah Gadsby’ Nakedy Nudes – “Comedian Hannah Gadsby continues her exploration of the nude in art, taking a loo at Modern Art as she explores the artists of the 20th century and beyond”.
    That must be what the folk of Bankstown were wanting all along.

  132. Overburdened

    Meanwhile l am concerned that Kylie Minogue didn’t experience the joys of being Overburdened.

    Amongst others 👍🏽

  133. old bloke

    Delcon
    #3182655, posted on October 13, 2019 at 8:21 am

    Operation “Trump Bends Down and Erdogan Does the Rest” update:

    Delcon = Neocon.

  134. jupes

    A cluster of “moderate” Liberals have jumped into bed with the Greens’ Adam Bandt, Get-Up!’s Zali Steggall and other leftists… To change the climate.
    The Parliamentary Friends of Climate Action boasts Liberals Tim Wilson, Dave Sharma, Jason Falinski, Katie Allen, Angie Bell and Trent Zimmerman.
    Read “the usual suspects.”

    Wow. I’d love to hear None’s take on that.

  135. Delcon

    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
    #3183002, posted on October 13, 2019 at 4:33 pm
    Delcon, the main threads here have had plenty of criticism of Trump. Quite a variety of perspectives are put up. Don’t blame Sinclair for opinions expressed in the comments anywhere.

    All good, Lizzie. Apparently I got on the nerves of just about everybody in this blog while arguing whether Trump was right/wrong to evacuate his troops from Northern Syria.
    Decided to leave that particular argument alone for a while. I am moving on.

  136. mh

    The 50 US troops should have been kept in harms way to act as a possible buffer between a NATO member and a group of Communists.

    You know it makes sense.

  137. Oh come on

    If there is one thing we ought to have learnt from our misadventures in Iraq and Libya, as well as our stoking of the Arab Spring, it’s that strongmen despots have their virtues.

  138. JC

    Silicon valley shows up in Oct again for the last season.

    The dude with beard is hilarious. Trailer.

  139. A Lurker

    Wow. I’d love to hear None’s take on that.

    Rowan Dean’s take on it is pretty memorable.

  140. Oh come on

    Peter, Russia will never allow Turkey to control the Black Sea.

  141. thefrollickingmole

    Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    I think thats unlikely, hes likely to get deeply bogged down in Syria with the Kurds then get his poo pushed in by Assad and the Russians.

    At that stage he will be “activate Nato to protect me from the results of my invasion”, and I cant see that pig flying.
    In the last day or so someone posted about the Turk Armys equipment, it seems it wouldnt take a lot for them to run out of spare parts/ammo if you really wanted to discomfort them.

    And the Euros might be starting the ball rolling.

    Germany, France suspend sale of arms to Turkey
    Turkey launched the military operation against Kurdish YPG miltia in Syria on Wednesday after US President Donald Trump withdrew some US troops who had been backing Kurdish forces in the fight against Islamic State.

    If the Nato suppliers keep him equipped then its a NATO/EU assault on the Kurds.

  142. Overburdened

    Oh come on

    Horses for courses

  143. notafan

    I thought Assad had given permission to Erdogan.

    Therefore not an ‘invasion’

  144. Infidel Tiger

    Has Tim Wilson ever had a job that didn’t rely on donations or the public purse?

  145. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    Russia will never allow Turkey to control the Black Sea.

    I totally agree, OCO.
    However, I was commenting on what a madman wants, plans, and schemes for.
    Reality has little to do with it.

  146. Muddy

    A cluster of “moderate” Liberals have jumped into bed with the Greens’ Adam Bandt, Get-Up!’s Zali Steggall and other leftists… To reverse the Earth’s gravity.
    The Parliamentary Friends of Climate Action boasts Liberals Tim Wilson, Dave Sharma, Jason Falinski, Katie Allen, Angie Bell and Trent Zimmerman.

  147. bespoke

    Closing in on twenty years since 911 and the argument’s don’t seem to have changed much.

  148. Zatara

    The 50 US troops should have been kept in harms way to act as a possible buffer between a NATO member and a group of Communists.

    You know it makes sense.

    Unless you happen to be one of those troops.

  149. Oh come on

    If there is one thing we ought to have learnt from our misadventures in Iraq and Libya, as well as our stoking of the Arab Spring, it’s that strongmen despots have their virtues

    Actually, we had known this for many decades. It was a Cold War reality. We forgot this during the short ‘end of history’ period, but reality has reminded us good and hard since.

  150. Overburdened

    Rowan Dean hats off.

  151. Geriatric Mayfly

    This snippet which you are allowed from Bolta says what the above gang of greenish snivelers are really on about.

    OCASIO-CORTEZ PROVES IT: GLOBAL WARMING A FRONT FOR SOCIALIST REVOLUTION
    Extinction Rebellion, Greta Thunberg and now US Democrat congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez make clear that global warming is just an excuse for a socialist revolution. Take Ocasio-Cortez’s deranged speech in Copenhagen, demanding “a cooperative, collaborative” system instead the “pursuit of profit”.

  152. EvilElvis

    If I’m going down it will be in a blaze of glory.

    That’s the only way to go!

    It’s moments like these I’m reminded of that sage advice from someone here last night, “6 inches takes a lot of matches to catch fire”. I hope that keeps you warm.

  153. calli

    Wow. I’d love to hear None’s take on that.

    Yep. That leapt out and grabbed me by the throat.

    But she said mean things about “all men” so 😭.

  154. Oh come on

    I’m not convinced that Turkey’s push into northern Syria is a land grab. What is so valuable about that strip of land? Why is it such a prize? Why would Turkey covet it so?

  155. Overburdened

    The Western mind would ask why did any dictator rise to be the boss.

    This is because we don’t understand the world view.

    As I was advised by a participant in the Malaya Emergency, there are only two types of people- the British and those that wish they were.

    He is now dead and as wrong now as then.

  156. EvilElvis

    I have a gentleman caller arriving soon.

    Hmmmm, I’d imagine from the tone of this comment that not only is the body being bathed in suds but so are the tonsils, Ellie.

    Hopefully he’s gentlemanly, yet cavemanly.

  157. thefrollickingmole

    Ok no link to set off the Insincterator..

    Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    I think thats unlikely, hes likely to get deeply bogged down in Syria with the Kurds then get his poo pushed in by Assad and the Russians.

    At that stage he will be “activate Nato to protect me from the results of my invasion”, and I cant see that pig flying.
    In the last day or so someone posted about the Turk Armys equipment, it seems it wouldnt take a lot for them to run out of spare parts/ammo if you really wanted to discomfort them.

    And the Euros might be starting the ball rolling.

  158. Overburdened

    Oco

    Buffer.

    Simple.

  159. calli

    Rowan Dean…perfect.

    Even without pigtails.

    How dare they. The scoundrels.

  160. johanna

    Liz Warren is sponsoring a bill to block the construction of ports to export natural gas.

    The rationale, other than ‘keep it in the ground’, is unclear. Who cares about sabotaging the US economy, or helping other countries to cook and keep warm? Meh.

    As I have mentioned before, natural gas is now haram among the US Left. Stupid California is banning gas connections for new home construction, and is aiming to phase it out altogether. The luvvies don’t realise that all their favourite restaurants would close down if they got their wish.

    Then again, just like how movie and TV productions are exempt from the smoking/vaping ban in parks, perhaps the favored elite will get off the hook for gas cooking as well.

  161. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I said two nights ago that I hoped Tim Wilson could introduce some more free speech on the ‘settled science’ to that group. Not holding my breath on that one though.

  162. thefrollickingmole

    What is so valuable about that strip of land? Why is it such a prize? Why would Turkey covet it so?

    If they just take the 40 km strip, not a lot.
    If they push on to take whats currently under Kurd control then most of Syrias oilfields.

  163. calli

    Can someone please champion Wilson for me?

    I need to have an alternative, believable view of why he is associated with those charlatans.

  164. Overburdened

    EE

    it’s got a five skin and two eyes.

    You will need a lot of big matches.

  165. thefrollickingmole

    The German/French cutting off spares would hut him quite a bit.
    Lot of the tank forces are Leopards.
    https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/europe/tu-army-equipment.htm

  166. bespoke

    But she said mean things about “all men” so 😭.

    I thought it was about… never mind.

  167. Bruce of Newcastle

    The protest at Billingsgate, the UK’s largest inland fish market, by Extinction Rebellion’s animal rebellion chapter began early on Saturday when protesters blocked the entrance. One demonstrator locked herself to the gate.

    May explain some mysteries:

    London’s ‘Massive Cocaine Problem’ Bigger than Amsterdam, Berlin, Barcelona Combined (12 Oct)

    London has a cocaine problem bigger than that of Europe’s next three largest cocaine-consuming cities combined, according to an analysis by King’s College London.

    Forensic scientists at the London university undertook a study of wastewater in cities across Europe, analysing it for the compound produced when the body breaks down cocaine, benzoylecgonine.

    The study, seen by Sky News, revealed that Londoners consume 23kg (51lbs) of the Class A drug every day, more than half a million doses.

    No wonder they’re off the planet!

  168. Ellie

    But she said mean things about “all men” so .

    She said a 16 year girl is “old enough to fuck”. Maybe that was missed.

  169. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    Why is it such a prize?

    It isn’t. It’s a feeler as to what Trump will do.

    Why would Turkey covet it so?

    He doesn’t. See above.

    Time to go get some critical, essental survival supplies.
    Namely booze, durries, and a Bronco Burger with fries for dinner.
    Can’t be bothered cooking.

  170. calli

    The same men who commence many…many paras with “women are”.

    It’s really very funny.

  171. Overburdened

    Calli

    He’s gay.

  172. Nick

    Can someone please champion Wilson for me?

    Seriously, what is there about him to like ?

  173. calli

    Yes, I did miss that one, Ellie. Perhaps that statement is a lie.

  174. Nelson Kidd-Players

    Thanks, Lurker. Well played by Rowan.

    As a side note, who needs affirmative action when the likes of Rita Panahi & Candace Owens can rise to the top without it?

  175. A Lurker

    I need to have an alternative, believable view of why he is associated with those charlatans.

    Birds of a feather flocking together?
    In light of the None thing I hesitate to say more…

  176. Ellie

    She said it, Calli. It was, understandably, deleted. I have the screen shot.

  177. calli

    I would be interested in the context, Ellie. And a straw poll on Year 10s.

  178. JC

    Quite funny

    “QE turned your savings account into your checking account, the bond market into your savings account, the equity market into the bond market, the VC market into the equity market, and crypto into the VC market.”

  179. Ellie

    She was talking about the deluded, Greta, and her shouty crap.

  180. calli

    Ha! The feathers are flying here too.

    The Montagues and the Capulets are having a turf war over mince. Both have nests with babies and the line of demarcation is my back porch. They had one down and were attempting murder…or a severe mugging.

    The Beloved went out and broke it up. He fears no magpie!

  181. Eyrie

    “They also had plenty of engines to reverse engineer which they apparently didnt do much.”
    I imagine the Daimler-Benz engineers thought the RR Merlin was a disgrace.

  182. bespoke

    I hope people are sending IT the scabs.

  183. Boambee John

    Muddy
    #3182985, posted on October 13, 2019 at 4:11 pm
    Slightly off-topic, but regarding the aircraft posts: Who knew that an Australian Wirraway shot down a Japanese fighter aircraft over Buna, Papua, in late 1942? Off the top of my head, I cannot recall if it was a Type O (people frequently think that the Japanese flew only ‘Zekes’ during the war).

    On 26 December 1942, F/O J.S. Archer, pilot, and Sgt J.L. Coulston. See RAAF 1939-1942, Douglas Gillison, page 667.

  184. calli

    Greta. Hmmm. An immature pudding face, I think. Not likely.

    Although I recall a rather similar sixteen year old with a pocket full of condoms – boasting about her past and future exploits. That was eighteen years ago.

    Even I was surprised. But there it is.

  185. calli

    IT’s pantry will be chockers.

    Do you think he’d like the Bandaids too?

  186. johanna

    For those who missed it, P posted the pub test on Greta, here.

    Spot on.

    Good to see that the Armatree Hotel is still in business. I have a sweatshirt bought there a long time ago, fond memories of a great afternoon/night. Country pubs rock!

  187. notafan

    Oco

    Turkey have said they want to send the three MILLION Syrian refugees currently in Turkey back home into that 30 km wide strip.

    Doesn’t seem that unreasonable.

  188. notafan

    Iirc none was making the point that Greta wasn’t a little child, in fact she had reached the age of consent.

  189. Armadillo

    Good to see that the Armatree Hotel is still in business.

    Sounds like a nice place.

  190. bespoke

    You would have had no time to put on bandaids.

  191. cohenite

    A Lurker

    #3183008, posted on October 13, 2019 at 4:42 pm

    Well now this is a surprise…not!

    A cluster of “moderate” Liberals have jumped into bed with the Greens’ Adam Bandt, Get-Up!’s Zali Steggall and other leftists… To change the climate.
    The Parliamentary Friends of Climate Action boasts Liberals Tim Wilson, Dave Sharma, Jason Falinski, Katie Allen, Angie Bell and Trent Zimmerman.
    Read “the usual suspects.”

    That’s fucked, they should be dis-endorsed. Seriously, you cannot be a conservative and believe in and support alarmism.

  192. Nelson Kidd-Players

    An armatree sounds like a plant with carcasses nailed to it.

  193. calli

    How about a field dressing?

    I’m very handy with a needle and thread too. Herringbone, I think. Red thread.

  194. Oh come on

    Turkey have said they want to send the three MILLION Syrian refugees currently in Turkey back home into that 30 km wide strip.

    Doesn’t seem that unreasonable.

    If that’s it, I agree. Apparently the Turks are planning to build dwellings which will be a vast improvement on tent cities. It’s quite a neat way to solve the issue, really.

  195. Overburdened

    https://youtu.be/gap3ydmYyd0

    This is Aussie.

    No one else cares and they don’t have to.

  196. Oh come on

    The age of consent in Sveeden is 15.

  197. Nelson Kidd-Players

    There’s a power pole in Edithvale, near the beach, with thongs* nailed all over it.

    * footwear.

  198. Ellie

    Semantics. None is gone. Good! If she can apologise for her lies about Tim Wilson, she can reappear.

  199. Roger

    I thought Assad had given permission to Erdogan.

    Therefore not an ‘invasion’

    And perfectly legal thus far.

    Unlike Obama’s original military intervention which accounts for the presence of US troops there years later, a problem Trump has inherited from the Nobel Peace Prize winner.

  200. bespoke

    The same men who commence many…many paras with “women are”.

    None of them want her banned, Context please. 😁

  201. Armadillo

    Airconditioner, what do you think the Kurds are likely to do when cornered? Plenty of Kurds inside Turkish borders. Millions of them.

    Trump is right that a negotiation is the sensible solution.

  202. Rex Mango

    ABC RN beyond parody right now. An eco-feminist performance artist is describing her show where she, gasp, breast feeds on stage & is talking about she doesn’t think she will have grandchildren due climate change.

  203. thefrollickingmole

    Watched that “once upon a time in Hollywood” flick, my overwhelming impression was it was a self indulgent film, ok in parts, acted well, but vaguely annoying.

  204. Armadillo

    A three state solution was touted for Iraq in the early years. It probably would have worked better than the cluster duck that eventuated. Same goes with Afghanistan.

  205. Rex Mango

    ‘Art plays a really important role in our contemporary ecological crisis’ ‘We need a total re-imagining of the way we live’ ‘Make kin, not babies’ ‘Changing our relations to non-human species and adopting them as our own’

  206. johanna

    I have some work coming up that can be combined with a binge-session.

    Be careful, Calli.
    Thursday night I thought I’d watch the first episode before having an early night.
    Instead I spent all night watching season one (eight episodes). Friday night was season two (nine episodes) and last night was season three (eight episodes).

    Amateurs.

    I have just finished watching 262 episodes of NYPD Blue (on DailyMotion). It took a couple of weeks, obviously interspersed with sleep, food, and checking out my favourite websites. The only comparable feat would be watching The Bill from go to whoa, which fortunately was available on TheirABC a few years ago, in daily doses.

    Am currently watching the Dick Francis racing detective series on Youtube. They are very different from the slick shows of today (made in the late 70s) and very English. Dick Francis wrote several novels about chicanery in horse racing, well worth a read by anyone who is interested in how the many and varied scams work. Peter Temple’s novels add insights into local conditions.

    I had a couple of forays into the horse racing world in my youth, via boyfriends. One was a bookie in Sydney. My, my, it was an education. 🙂

    As a result, I have never put money on a horse in my life, except for the office Melbourne Cup sweep.

  207. Rex Mango

    Lara Stephens from Melb Uni was her name.

    Once Upon a Time was bit long, that’s my only criticism.

  208. bespoke

    This is the Cat staple gun, duct tape and bikini wax is the choice for field dressings.

  209. Rex Mango

    Found her – nice work if you can get it:

    Dr Lara Stevens is a MSSI Research Fellow and a lecturer and researcher in the School of Culture and Communication, Faculty of Arts at the University of Melbourne and the Victorian College of the Arts. She is a theatre and performance studies scholar with specialisations in political theatre, ecofeminist performance art and ecological theatre and performance. Lara is passionate about ecofeminism, particularly the work of Australian pioneers of ecofeminist thought – Val Plumwood, Freya Mathews, Ariel Salleh and Deborah Bird Rose. Lara has taught courses on ecofeminism in the Melbourne School of Continental Philosophy and run high school workshops.
    Lara is the author of the book Anti-War Theatre After Brecht: Dialectical Aesthetics in the Twenty-First Century (Palgrave Macmillan, 2016), editor and translator of Politics, Ethics and Performance: Hélène Cixous and the Théâtre du Soleil (Re.press, 2016), and co-editor of Feminist Ecologies: Changing Environments in the Anthropocene (Palgrave, 2018) with Peta Tait and Denise Varney. A full list of her publications can be found here.

    https://sustainable.unimelb.edu.au/about/institute-staff/dr-lara-stevens

  210. calli

    specialisations in political theatre, ecofeminist performance art and ecological theatre and performance.

    So, stuff no one would pay to watch.

    What a waste of a life.

  211. thefrollickingmole

    Dr Lara Stevens is a MSSI Research Fellow and a lecturer and researcher in the School of Culture and Communication, Faculty of Arts at the University of Melbourne and the Victorian College of the Arts. She is a theatre and performance studies scholar with specialisations in political theatre, ecofeminist performance art and ecological theatre and performance.

    FIFY

    Dr Lara Stevens is a useless tax eater and parasite.

  212. jupes

    Semantics. None is gone. Good! If she can apologise for her lies about Tim Wilson, she can reappear.

    Whatever her “lies” about Tim Wilson were, they can’t be worse than the truth about the duplicitous lefty rent-seeker:

    A cluster of “moderate” Liberals have jumped into bed with the Greens’ Adam Bandt, Get-Up!’s Zali Steggall and other leftists… To change the climate.
    The Parliamentary Friends of Climate Action boasts Liberals Tim Wilson, Dave Sharma, Jason Falinski, Katie Allen, Angie Bell and Trent Zimmerman.
    Read “the usual suspects.”

  213. RobK

    This is the Cat staple gun, duct tape and bikini wax is the choice for field dressings.
    Don’t forget the glad wrap.

  214. JC

    I have just finished watching 262 episodes of NYPD Blue (on DailyMotion). It took a couple of weeks, obviously interspersed with sleep, food, and checking out my favourite websites.

    That’s 19.5 hours a day of tv watching over two weeks! With everything else, there was no time to go to the toilet.

    Are bed pans back in fashion?

  215. jupes

    Watched that “once upon a time in Hollywood” flick, my overwhelming impression was it was a self indulgent film, ok in parts, acted well, but vaguely annoying.

    Seriously mole?

    I thought it was superb. The best movie I’ve seen in years.

  216. Roger

    She is a theatre and performance studies scholar with specialisations in political theatre, ecofeminist performance art and ecological theatre and performance.

    Pace Gil Scott-Heron, the revolution is not only being broadcast, it’s being subsidised.

  217. Rex Mango

    Haven’t noticed the feminists signing up for the settled science at the Large Hadron Collider in the CERN Laboratory to produce performance art.

  218. thefrollickingmole

    jupes

    Yes, about 1/2 way through and I was waiting for it to end.

    Horses for courses, I havent liked a Tarantino flick since kill Bill.

  219. Rex Mango

    Mole, not sure you should be using your mobile in a movie theatre.

  220. MatrixTransform

    the revolution is a mini-series

    episode 10 series 3:
    only 12 years to go until the end of the world Extinction Rebellion decide the best way effect change is to affect change. So they run around in their undies.

    episode 1 series 4:
    the eco-feminists get serious

  221. thefrollickingmole

    Rex Mango
    Emphasis on the
    was
    Rex…

  222. Rex Mango

    That the feminists have latched onto climate change, tells you it’s a shonk.

  223. Bruce of Newcastle

    ABC RN beyond parody right now. An eco-feminist performance artist is describing her show where she, gasp, breast feeds on stage & is talking about she doesn’t think she will have grandchildren due climate change.

    Breast feeding is good for the planet!

    Breastfeed to save the planet, scientists say as study exposes infant formula damage to environment

    Breastfeeding for longer could help save the environment, scientists have said as they reveal Britain’s poor rates cause the equivalent of 77,000 cars worth of damage.

    Experts at Imperial College London have for the first time calculated the harm to the planet from infant formula.

    They found that, not only does it produce significant amounts of greenhouse gas due to the in creates for dairy cows, but it also depletes water and electricity, as well as producing waste.

    There you go. All those Chinese people buying up baby formula to send back home are insulting Gaia. Such ingrates! Or “in creates” whatever they are. Sounds painful.

  224. Rex Mango

    I rate Once Upon a Time a very good movie, better even than Showgirls.

  225. notafan

    Melt over the border I suppose ‘dillo

  226. Rex Mango

    Aren’t the feminists, by creating a strand of science/philosophy called eco-feminism, being sexist?

  227. squawkbox

    Implementation of his Grand Plan requires control of the Black Sea.

    I am so worried about who controls the Black Sea. It keeps me awake at nights.

  228. egg_

    New dam for Tamworf?
    Bananaby pulling strings?

  229. Vagabond

    A cluster of “moderate” Liberals have jumped into bed with the Greens’ Adam Bandt, Get-Up!’s Zali Steggall and other leftists… To change the climate.
    The Parliamentary Friends of Climate Action boasts Liberals Tim Wilson, Dave Sharma, Jason Falinski, Katie Allen, Angie Bell and Trent Zimmerman.
    Read “the usual suspects.”

    That’s fucked, they should be dis-endorsed. Seriously, you cannot be a conservative and believe in and support alarmism.

    Quite so. Katie Allen replaced the dreadful Kelly O’Dwyer in my electorate thus preventing the greenfilth from taking it but it now she’s shown that she’s not any better. She’s a paediatrician at the Royal Children’s Hospital here and having had a bit to do with that place professionally (mercifully not as a pediatrician) it’s reinforced my belief that paeds are the leftmost leaning of all medicos.

    Back to informal voting alas.

  230. Rex Mango

    Whoever controls the Black Sea, controls the world. Just turn it over and it will release a giant hydrogen sulfide burp that could kill millions.

  231. Steve trickler

    He’s on the attack! Landing heaps of blows. The B.O.M cops a few here.

    Good!



  232. Nelson Kidd-Players

    Wasn’t there another Ford chick who knew a lot about the range? Quite presentable, if I recall.

  233. Herodotus

    I rate Once Upon a Time a very good movie, better even than Showgirls.
    I’m fairly tame in movie taste. Showgirls had its good points, mostly with nipples attached.
    But there are other old classics with a tad more restraint that are worth the time spent.
    “Monique” and “Pauline a la plage”.

  234. egg_

    The Parliamentary Friends of Climate Action boasts Liberals Tim Wilson

    That arch hypocrite calls for None’s resurrection.
    Fiends of @rse Bandit, more likely.

  235. Roger

    …it’s reinforced my belief that paeds are the leftmost leaning of all medicos.

    You don’t know many psychiatrists then?

  236. Steve trickler

    A great 7:30 from the Danes.



  237. egg_

    New dam: state and federal governments announce $480 million to build new Dungowan Dam near Tamworth

    THE first new dam to be built in NSW in close to 30 years will be constructed in the Dungowan valley near Tamworth in an almost half-a-billion dollar plan by the state and federal governments.

    The new 22.5 gigalitre storage will be built about 3km downstream from the current Dungowan Dam, which is owned by Tamworth council.

    The $480 million project was announced on Sunday in a whirlwind tour of the current dam with Prime Minister Scott Morrison flying into Tamworth, flanked by NSW Premier Gladys Berejikilian, her deputy John Barilaro, as well as Deputy Prime Minister Michael McCormack, and New England MP Barnaby Joyce.

    You couldn’t wipe the smile off the face of Tamworth mayor, Col Murray, who said council had already “acquired all of the properties” for the multi-million-dollar project over the past four years, and “continue to acquire properties downstream that may be effected by a potential dam”.

  238. Infidel Tiger

    Wilson and Katie Allan are cynical enough to know they represent far left electorates and thus maybe are playing both sides. Maybe.

    Wilson is too mediocre to ever get a job in the private sector so I can see why he is desperately embracing the idiocy.

  239. Tel

    THE first new dam to be built in NSW in close to 30 years will be constructed in the Dungowan valley near Tamworth in an almost half-a-billion dollar plan by the state and federal governments.

    It should be private money, not whacking the taxpayer … but at least they are building something and I guess there isn’t sufficient confidence in NSW at the moment for investors to come forward.

  240. Roger

    THE first new dam to be built in NSW in close to 30 years…

    Hello!

    Australia doesn’t have a water shortage problem.

    It has a water storage problem.

  241. OCO:

    If there is one thing we ought to have learnt from our misadventures in Iraq and Libya, as well as our stoking of the Arab Spring, it’s that strongmen despots have their virtues.

    Too bloody right.

  242. Bruce of Newcastle

    Kim Jong-piggy may have a problem.

    Kim Jong-Un accused of hiding deadly swine fever branded an ‘apocalypse in the making’

    Pyongyang officially claims the outbreak has passed over North Korea. Three dead wild boars were found in border areas with South Korea, according to officials in Seoul who have deployed helicopters to disinfect the barrier. According to Bloomberg, South Korean politician Lee Hye-hoon said the fever had spread to most areas in North Korea with pigs in the North Pyongan province being “wiped out”.

    North Korea’s agriculture ministry said 22 pigs were killed in May but the virus in a farm near the Chinese border in a report to the World Organisation for Animal Health.

    A defected North Korean soldier, Ahn Chan-il said: “The fact that North Korea has reported the outbreak to an international organisation suggests the situation is probably getting out of their hands. “It’s an apocalypse in the making.”

    If the pig herd has been devastated it may be the worst possible time given reports earlier this year like this one from NYT:

    North Korea Urgently Needs Food Aid After Worst Harvest in Decade, U.N. Says (3 May)

    Poor blighters. The bodycount of socialism continues to rise.

  243. Infidel Tiger

    If there is one thing we ought to have learnt from our misadventures in Iraq and Libya, as well as our stoking of the Arab Spring, it’s that strongmen despots have their virtues.

    Not supporting the Shah and then deposing the strongmen keeping the tribes across the region together?

    I have a feeling we are ruled by the dumbest people on earth.

  244. Roger

    Wilson is too mediocre to ever get a job in the private sector so I can see why he is desperately embracing the idiocy.

    Careful, IT; you can get banned for expressing opinions like that here at Australia’s leading libertarian blog.

  245. Muddy

    Boambee John
    #3183067, posted on October 13, 2019 at 5:34 pm

    That’s the one. Thanks, John. Seeing someone post about the Brewster Buffalo, I think the Wirraway was worth a mention. Believe it or not, the humble Wirraways were used as bombers on one or two occasions in the Salamaua area of New Guinea! This was somewhat daring, as although the Japanese air activity in the area was ad hoc, they were still flitting around now and then.

  246. Tel

    I thought Assad had given permission to Erdogan.

    Where did that come from?!?

    https://theduran.com/erdogan-accepts-syria-dmz-off-ramp-in-deal-with-putin-video/

    There was a different deal between Putin and Erdogan in Sochi a year ago, but that didn’t cover the Kurds. At least, it was not reported to cover the Kurds.

    Assad might not like Putin making deals over giving away Syrian territory but then he can dislike it all day, because Assad is in no position to stand up against Putin.

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