Restoring the situation as best they can

Only just seen this but it is easy to believe: Trump Sends Emergency Delegation to Turkey Amid Bloody Offensive in Syria. From The Free Beacon so not from the Fake News Media.

A delegation of senior Trump administration officials will depart for Turkey “as soon as possible” to negotiate a ceasefire following Ankara’s bloody offensive into Syria that killed civilians and helped to reinvigorate the ISIS terror group, according to senior administration officials.

The delegation will seek to “achieve a deal” in the coming days to end the full-scale battle that erupted when Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdogan permitted his forces to invade Syria following an announcement by President Donald Trump that he is removing American forces from the region.

The troop withdrawal, which has been criticized by both Republican and Democratic leaders, set the stage for a renewed wave of violence in Syria that U.S. officials say has threatened to erase American gains in defeating ISIS terrorists.

The Turkish incursion into Syria “has upturned one of the real success stories” of the U.S.-led coalition to defeat ISIS, according to one senior administration official who briefed reporters on the latest developments early Monday evening. “These are crucial diplomatic and security interests for us and the region.”

The United States has now been left to “restore the situation as best we can,” the officials said.

There is also then the story that leads at Drudge. It’s from The New York Times so make of it what you will.

ERDOGAN HOLDING 50 US NUKES ‘HOSTAGE’

What a mess!

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28 Responses to Restoring the situation as best they can

  1. Suburban Boy

    If Turkey remains a member of NATO then that organisation will cease to have any purpose, and will lose its last shred of credibility.

  2. Karabar

    On Outsiders last Sunday Rowan and Rita interviewed Col Richard Kemp, who explained some of the complexities.
    According to him, there was no negotiation or request for permission. The HMFTIC simply told Trump in no uncertain terms that they were going into Syria, and he was notifying the US so that they could get about 50 personnel out of the way.
    Sheds a bit different light on things.

  3. Ros

    An interesting article in the SCMP about Erdogan and Turkey’s publication of irrendentist maps of Turkey, incorporating at least some of the bits of the Ottoman Empire, like north east Syria. “Neo-Ottoman Turkey’s ‘String of Pearls’”.

    The unelected authoritarians of Brussels and Xi and Putin and Erdogan, versus the nation Staters like Trump and Morrison. Interesting times. And why would it make sense for Trump to spend American lives in the struggle by the authoritarians to rebuild their Empires across the oceans from America. He says he fights for America with economic battles not physical wars, why does this still surprise.

  4. Dr Fred Lenin

    Everything will be ok when the EU becomes a member of the caliphate ,Turkey will nake up for the loss of Britain . Once again the British will face an enemy across the channel .
    The Eurocrats will absorb the muslims into Europe no problem they went to university and are clever ,some of them are failed politicuans and former soviet puppet state aparatchiki.
    Theres nothing to fear here is there ?

  5. Iampeter

    Turning Turkey into a nuclear power is all part of The Plan. 4BillionD chess. You just can’t see the board.
    Trump has just pulled a classic Serbian-Croat-double-bluff and everyone is buying it like a charm.
    You’d see this if you weren’t such a Deep State flunky, Steve.

  6. Beachcomber

    What a mess!

    It’s nothing like the mess the the Marxist stream media is trying to manufacture. The USA steps back and mozlem Turks, Kurds and Syrians continue killing each other. Why is that a problem for the USA or Australia? It is the media that is trying to turn it into a crisis that can be blamed on Trump.

    The story “Erdogan holding 50 US nukes ‘hostage ‘ “ is simply more lies from the media. The Turks have no control over the missiles and the USA can choose to keep them there or withdraw them. The only calamity is the one that is manufactured by the media.

  7. Crossie

    I doubt the nukes are still in place. With Erdogan’s behaviour of the past few years surely the Americans would have moved the warheads out of Turkey just in case.

  8. cohenite

    Bullshit. Trump is not responsible for that Turkish piece of shit’s actions. This is just more left logic: ie the gun manufacturer is responsible for the murder with the gun.

    The fact is Trump would be damned more if he stayed. Just imagine a little skirmish with a NATO member and how that would play out in the msm. If blame for this, other than to the Turkish fuckwit, is to be allocated it should go to the other NATO members. All of them, lazy, bludging, back-stabbing bastards.

  9. Sean

    I don’t see any justification for the claim that the nuclear weapons are being held hostage.

  10. Delcon

    cohenite
    #3185036, posted on October 15, 2019 at 4:35 pm
    Bullshit. Trump is not responsible for that Turkish piece of shit’s actions.

    Yes, he is.
    Unless you believe it is a coincidence that five minutes after Trump’s withdrawal Turkey had an invasion ready.
    Trump knew what would happen, or is too stupid to be a president.
    Either way, Trump has Kurdish blood on his hands.

  11. Bruce of Newcastle

    The nukes thing has been something much discussed at the Cat for years. So Obama never got around to spiriting them out of Incirlik? Good to see the MSM has finally noticed. Aren’t they quick? Maybe Congress can now get off their behinds regarding Turkey in the NATO alliance, which they shouldn’t be.

  12. Roger

    Maybe Congress can now get off their behinds regarding Turkey in the NATO alliance, which they shouldn’t be.

    Apparently there’s no mechanism for expelling a NATO member, Bruce.

    It was never enisaged.

    They could politely be asked to leave, though.

  13. Crossie

    If blame for this, other than to the Turkish fuckwit, is to be allocated it should go to the other NATO members. All of them, lazy, bludging, back-stabbing bastards.

    My feelings exactly.

  14. Delcon

    Just a suggestion: if it is too hard, or impossible, for the US to get Turkey out of NATO, how about the US getting itself out of NATO instead?

  15. Faye

    The New York Times is along the lines of CNN (just caught out) and ABC (just caught out).
    The Syria/Turkey/USA situation is their usual fiddle of the facts. Read sundance at
    theconservativetreehouse.com to get the latest TRUE reporting plus there are extra reports.

  16. candy

    Either way, Trump has Kurdish blood on his hands.

    Delcon, that is odd because the American Left accused G Bush of being a war criminal with blood on his hands for going into Iraq. And now Trump won’t go along with more involvement in Middle Eastern wars and he has blood on his hands!

    My take is that Erdogan wants an empire and the Bolton chap was sacked because he wanted a war and Trump did not. Trump is carrying out his stated policy objectives before he was elected.

  17. Sean

    The troops are being moved to Kentucky. We can thank US ABC news for that #fakenews

  18. Delcon

    candy
    #3185193, posted on October 15, 2019 at 6:42 pm
    Either way, Trump has Kurdish blood on his hands.

    Delcon, that is odd because the American Left accused G Bush of being a war criminal with blood on his hands for going into Iraq. And now Trump won’t go along with more involvement in Middle Eastern wars and he has blood on his hands!

    My take is that Erdogan wants an empire and the Bolton chap was sacked because he wanted a war and Trump did not. Trump is carrying out his stated policy objectives before he was elected.

    There is a difference between not going somewhere and being somewhere and moving aside.
    Maybe Bolton was one “You’re fired!” too many for Trump’s career.

  19. Sean
    #3185054, posted on October 15, 2019 at 4:50 pm

    I don’t see any justification for the claim that the nuclear weapons are being held hostage.

    I know. They’d just hit them with neutron bombs from tomahawks or B-2s.

    They WOULD NOT fuck around.

    There would be NO upside for the US in negotiating there.

  20. candy

    There is a difference between not going somewhere and being somewhere and moving aside.

    I think it might be the same in results, though, Delcon. A Middle East type war does not end in months, or a year, as I think people expected with Iraq, Afghanistan.

    I don’t know how Americans feel about it all? but G. Bush wanted to the “Sherriff” of the world and it did not end well. Who really believed the weapons of mass destruction thing? And “collateral damage” became part of the language.

  21. Roger

    I don’t know how Americans feel about it all?

    I suggest the election of Trump in 2016 with a bring our troops home policy answers that question.

  22. stackja

    USA has fought others’ wars since WW1 for what benefit? Marshall Plan for what benefit?

  23. mh

    I don’t know how Americans feel about it all?

    I suggest the election of Trump in 2016 with a bring our troops home policy answers that question.

    Steve Kates missed that bit while writing his books on Trump!

  24. Roger

    Steve Kates missed that bit while writing his books on Trump!

    Evidently.

  25. Sean

    To cut through the media BS I think it’s best to start from the assumption that PDT is a rational actor. If every gobshite journalist can predict how the decision may have played out why couldn’t PDT?

    A billionaire property developer who makes big decisions off instincts alone. Yeah sure…

  26. Shy Ted

    One type of religion of peace bringing peace to another type of religion of peace. Peace will soon break out. We will soon find acts of peace between such types here.

  27. Boambee John

    Roger at 1736

    Apparently there’s no mechanism for expelling a NATO member, Bruce.

    It was never enisaged.

    Somewhere in my fading memory is the thought that Greece under the colonels in around the 1970s was “suspended” from certain NATO councils/exercises.

    As for the Incirlik nukes, they would be under “dual key” arrangements, and could not be armed without US concurrence (assuming that routine maintenance has not been used as a cover to render them imoperable, and replace the cores with LEU).

  28. BorisG

    There is a difference between not going somewhere and being somewhere and moving aside.

    I don’t mind them leaving as long as appropriate agreements were put in place as a condition for withdrawal.

    Let’s not forget that last time Erdogan controlled northern Syria, he allowed ISIS to establish the khalifate.

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