Tuesday Forum: October 15, 2019

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  1. Atoms for Peace

    Caveman. Julia Gillard dancing in a mini skirt

  2. Arky

    The Beloved has decided to watch Logan’s Run.

    ..
    Movie or TV eps?

  3. Muddy

    If Australia were a child, she would be traumatised by a past that she is told to forget. She has witnessed her custodians being murdered and raped, scattered to the margins of society. She suffers for what she has seen. She cannot forget. Her heart beat is fading.

    On 26 May 2017, a historic moment at Uluru gave this country hope. Those custodians came together, reached into their own hearts, and gifted us with a roadmap to find the heart of the nation – The Uluru Statement from the Heart. When you read this book, you will be feeling the pulse of this beautiful country, Australia. Finding the Heart of the Nation is a book full of stories about extraordinary people who will take you on an unforgettable journey to a place where we can start a new beginning. This book is a call to action that you will never forget.’ – Thomas Mayor, 2019

    This is a book for all Australians.

    Since the Uluru Statement from the Heart was formed in 2017, Thomas Mayor has traveled around the country to promote its vision of a better future for Indigenous Australians. He’s visited communities big and small, often with the Uluru Statement canvas rolled up in a tube under his arm. Through the story of his own journey and interviews with 20 key people, Thomas taps into a deep sense of our shared humanity. The voices within these chapters make clear what the Uluru Statement is and why it is so important. And Thomas hopes you will be moved to join them, along with the growing movement of Australians who want to see substantive constitutional change. Thomas believes that we will only find the heart of our nation when the First peoples – the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders – are recognised with a representative Voice enshrined in the Australian Constitution.

    About the Author

    Thomas Mayor is a Torres Strait Islander man born on Larrakia country in Darwin. As an Islander growing up on the mainland, he learned to hunt traditional foods with his father and to island dance from the Darwin community of Torres Strait Islanders. In high school, Thomas’s English teacher suggested he should become a writer. He didn’t think then that he would become one of the first ever Torres Strait Islander authors to have a book published for the general trade. Instead, he became a wharf labourer from the age of seventeen, until he became a union official for the Maritime Union of Australia in his early thirties.

    Quietly spoken in character, Thomas found his voice on the wharves. As he gained the skills of negotiation and organising in the union movement, he applied those skills to advancing the rights of Indigenous peoples, becoming a signatory to the Uluru Statement from the Heart and a tireless campaigner. Following the Uluru Convention, Thomas was entrusted to carry the sacred canvas of the Uluru Statement from the Heart. He then embarked on an eighteen-month journey around the country to garner support for a constitutionally enshrined First Nations voice, and a Makarrata Commission for truth-telling and agreement-making or treaties. Thomas’s journey continues, both in person and through the pages of this book. The book is his gift to the campaign for Voice, Treaty and Truth. Like the Uluru Statement from the Heart, he hopes that all Australians will accept it.
    Industry Reviews

    ‘Thomas’s compelling work is full of Australian Indigenous voices that should be heard. Read this book, listen to them and take action.’ – Danny Glover, American actor and civil rights activist

    ‘Thomas Mayor has captured the spirit of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people in their long struggle for a voice in the Australian nation state. That spirit is expressed in the eloquent Uluru Statement from the Heart. It is the spirit of hundreds of First Nations, whose peoples are the descendants of the first humans to arrive in what is now Australia, 65,000 years ago. Despite all the efforts to eradicate us and our identities, we persist. Thomas’s own story, and the stories of the people he met as he travelled the continent with the original painted Uluru Statement, are testament to the dignity and strength of the people who want what is right and just.’ – Professor Marcia Langton AM, author and academic

  4. Caveman

    There won’t be a carousel under the government I lead.

  5. Atoms for Peace

    Watching “The Stand ” on DVD. I reckon the cowboys in PRC playing CRISPR will gift us that. New series next year.

  6. Atoms for Peace

    Monty..Let me know when you give up your house to the traditional owners. Beijing blow ins don’t count, even in Dansistan.

  7. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    It is the spirit of hundreds of First Nations, whose peoples are the descendants of the first humans to arrive in what is now Australia, 65,000 years ago. Despite all the efforts to eradicate us and our identities, we persist

    Thanks, Muddy, I’ll stick to the biography of the Blessed Saint Hilda.

  8. jupes

    If Australia were a child, she would be traumatised by a past that she is told to forget. She has witnessed her custodians being murdered and raped, scattered to the margins of society. She suffers for what she has seen. She cannot forget. Her heart beat is fading.

    This is true, however it was the “custodians” who were doing the murdering and raping.

    The best thing to ever happen to Aborigines was the arrival of the first fleet.

  9. Atoms for Peace

    65 do I have 65…67..68 69 sold at 79

  10. Delcon:

    I now rest my case.

    I wish you’d rest your arse, instead.

  11. 1735099

    The best thing ever to happen to Aborigines was the arrival of the first fleet.

    The ghosts of the Palawa might not agree with you….

  12. 132andBush

    Is Delcon Miranda Devine?

  13. Knuckle Dragger

    Again with the goddamn Kurds.

    Let’s just leave Delmontynonecon’s hand-waving ‘me, me’ attempt to be on a team. Any team, by helpfully quoting some other tards that actually have better thought processes than him. Which, freakin’ obviously, is saying something.

    No-one – and I mean no-one gives a fuck about the Kurds. No one has for centuries, if not millennia. In fact, the last Kurd of any importance to anything anywhere was Salad (in), and even that was for trying to kill as many Christians as he could.

    And the reason no-one gives a fuck about them is because they’ve been a whiny band of tag-along goat enablers ever since. And they’re weak, because if they weren’t weak they would have carved out their own country by now. There’s 25 million of the bloody things. But no.

    Instead they work on shifting alliances with whichever other band of camels is the strongest at the time, and then wonder why they get hidings routinely from the new big dog when things change. Three separate countries tolerate them living on their sand. They’ve been allowed to live in peace in southern Turkey, northeastern Syria and northwestern Iraq as long as they don’t start mouthing off. But no.

    Because they’re not strong enough to have their own land they’re a) mercenaries, b) terrorists, and c) shithouse at (a) and (b). Snipe, snipe, snipe, bark, bark, blow someone else’s stuff up. Whinge when they get a smack in the mouth for doing so.

    The Yanks took them on side fighting IZIS because they offered, and the Yanks could afford them. They took on peripheral roles in border control and as jailers when not killing Christians as a hobby, and their profile grew legs for about ten days about the entire chick unit thing – and the only reason that came about was because their blokes were dumb enough to be caught trying to cash in on the Syrian shitfight by blowing more Toikish stuff up. And let’s face it, you have to be truly thick as shit to be caught by Turks.

    They were very well paid indeed for cracking on at IZIS, both in cash and materiel. They were told well ahead of time the Turks were going to reimpose (yes, reimpose, they’d done it before) the 30km border buffer, which was also with Syria’s consent. But no.

    These people are not victims. They are parasites who move from dog to dog, and the current dog just decided to go swimming in a dam. They’ve been like that for eternity, history says they will NOT change because someone in 2019 asked them to and not one single US, or Australian soldier’s life is worth 10,000 of these high-publicity vermin.

    My personal view is that Ivan Milat’s life right now is worth more than any Kurd’s.

    You play stupid games, you win stupid prizes. So fuck off Kurds, and you can take your cameras, and your Amnesty International and Medicins Sans Frontieres mates with you and stick your Yank money up your arse.

  14. Atoms for Peace

    The UN has 193 Nations and is an absolute Charlie Foxtrot. 500 nations must have been fun in OZ.

  15. 1735099

    Another Aussie is shot in the USA.
    Something is wrong with the script.
    Owning a gun is for defence – not for armed break-ins, I’m told here over and over again.
    God help his wife and kids.

  16. Atoms for Peace

    1080..past sunset. Bedtime

  17. Bruce of Newcastle

    Shift change.

  18. Eyrie

    Anybody got any idea about how many Australians in the US at one time? I think they may be under represented in gun deaths there.
    Hint: When confronting burglars/home invaders just after midnight in Texas greet them with several rounds from Mr. 12 gauge pump action, .45 M1911A1, Ar15, etc. Your choice. Maybe we’d be reading about deceased perps instead of deceased home owner. Maybe as an Australian he couldn’t own a gun? Glass door without security screen? Really?

  19. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Maybe as an Australian he couldn’t own a gun?

    The “Australian ” claims that, no, as a “foreigner” he couldn’t own a gun.

  20. Eyrie

    Now lessee, one was killed IN CANADA along with American girlfriend by pair of deranged homosexuals on a murder spree, one by a diversity hire Minnesota cop. Even Australian coppers carry. Should they? Guy I know used to maintain the pistols for local pistol club members. Had a look at the coppers’ pistols when they had a shoot there. A disgrace was his considered opinion.

  21. Arky

    , as a “foreigner” he couldn’t own a gun.

    ..
    Gun controls claim another life.

  22. Eyrie

    ZKA2A, however as an US citizen his wife could. You think the Texas cops would worry about that if he grabbed his wife’s gun? Tsk, tsk, hurry up with that citizenship ceremony son, and BTW, good job!

  23. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘‘Thomas’s compelling work is full of Australian Indigenous voices that should be heard. Read this book, listen to them and take action.’ – Danny Glover, American actor and civil rights activist

    ‘Thomas was born 3000km away from his ancestral home in the Torres Strait Islands, and although claiming in his book to speak for all Australian Aboriginal people his knowledge of the temperate and desert indigenous culture is on par with the average cat’s ability to speak with authority on deep-sea salvage. Bargain bin stocking-stuffer for seagoing indigenous folk at best.’ – KD, local oaf

  24. Overburdened

    Far out the post is still motoring.

    Coincidental to foot reducing from 4 times it’s normal size and days spent with leg elevated and much motivational counselling to self and antibiotics, the son returned to the camp for an overnight visit after returning from a shit hole via debrief in Geneva and a lil holiday with friends in Madrid.

    After giving me the standard free character assessment and a magnificent dinner of Coral Trout (courtesy of a mate back home) prawns and salad, he told me I was getting old, went for a surf then came back and packed and left, leaving me a half a loaf of sour dough bread his artisan makes knock up for $9 a loaf.

    Bloody lil champ.

    Naturally if I said that to him he would tell me to STFU.

  25. Atoms for Peace

    Hands up as whether you would home invade any home in Texas? Doing the wide eyed methhead formication dance doesn’t count in a sane world

  26. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    ‘Thomas was born 3000km away from his ancestral home in the Torres Strait Islands, and although claiming in his book to speak for all Australian Aboriginal people his knowledge of the temperate and desert indigenous culture is on par with the average cat’s ability to speak with authority on deep-sea salvage. Bargain bin stocking-stuffer for seagoing indigenous folk at best.’ – KD, local oaf

    Some of the tribes in Western Australia claim that no – one, who isn’t of that particular tribe can “speak for them” and anyone imprudent enough to do so is threatened with tribal punishment.

  27. feelthebern

    Racing NSW & the ATC have both released statements regarding 7:30.
    Both condemn it etc etc etc.
    Then go on to point out errors in the 7:30 reporting.
    Here we go again…

  28. bespoke

    I think the numbewangs supervisor has nothing to do with PH.D’s and more to do NDIS and his obsession with killing.

  29. Cardimona

    Knuckle Dragger
    #3187601, posted on October 18, 2019 at 8:06 pm

    Comment of the day; no, comment of the week.
    Outbloodystanding!

  30. Overburdened

    KD

    Re the Indig thing.

    Outing myself here by saying I don’t identify.

    My children have no concept of my upbringing because I gave up on it a long time ago.

    Surprisingly, we feel it in the trees and when the first bit of sun touches your face.

    Can’t explain it.

  31. Old Lefty

    Good to see the proles of East London rising up against the Extinction Rebellion wankers and pulling them off the roof of a tube train they were blocking. Needless to say, the pseudo-professionalnPX PXs are harrumphing.

  32. bespoke

    Calli has nothing to do prove, Delcon is either wilfully ignorant or new.

  33. Overburdened

    ZK2A

    That is truth.

    The people are insular.

    Refer to last post.

  34. Knuckle Dragger

    Fair enough OB.

    My potentially muddled point was that a seafaring Islander has no business writing or speaking on behalf of all tribes/nations/groups etc, particularly ones that have never seen the ocean.

  35. Eyrie

    Old lefty, had a nice phone conversation with a mate this morning. He said the news of the London commuters knuckling the Excretion Retention bloke, warmed the cockles of his heart. Me too.

  36. Eyrie

    They need to fear the normals.

  37. Overburdened

    Old Lefty

    As ever you speak for sensible people.

    This statement may be reviewed in the future.

    Drag the fuckwits away.

    Flog them mercilessly.

    Take away their dole and or other government benefits.

    Publicly shame them.

    It won’t have the same effect on them as it would have in a smaller community, but the common folk would feel a whole lot better.

  38. cohenite

    Let’s have a pass the hat around so we can send the troll to Texas to do a bit of research.

  39. Overburdened

    Old Lefty

    The statement about you speaking for sensible people may be reviewed.

  40. 1735099

    KD’s comments about the Kurds resemble almost exactly the attitudes that were extant about another displaced ethnic-religious group in pre WW2 Europe.
    We know how that worked out……

  41. Mitch M.

    The Forgotten Stones of Karahan Tepe, Turkey

    Karahan Tepe is the sister site to the enigmatic Göbekli Tepe, that sits around 23 miles southeast of Göbekli, upon an elevated limestone ridge. It has many striking similarities to Göbekli. Firstly, it consists of T-Shaped pillars – 266 of them that mostly form parallel rows. The pillars have relief carvings, and the site appears, like Göbekli, to be deliberately buried under a great artificial mound, although this could be natural, a

  42. Arky

    Definition of extant
    1a: currently or actually existing
    the most charming writer extant
    — G. W. Johnson
    b: still existing : not destroyed or lost
    extant manuscripts

    ..

    the attitudes that were extant about

    ..
    So your sentence means:
    “the attitudes that were currently existing”
    ..
    Are you completely illiterate?

  43. bespoke

    The last time numberwang started drooling over Aussie’s being killed in the USA was when that immigrant cop killed that woman.

  44. Delcon

    Winston Smith
    #3187598, posted on October 18, 2019 at 7:58 pm
    Delcon:

    I now rest my case.

    I wish you’d rest your arse, instead.

    I’m sure you do.

  45. Knuckle Dragger

    Shorter Liability Bob:

    ‘Continuum [thanks for the word 8th Dan]!’

    ‘GAAAAAAAASSSSS’

    Yeah nah. Go and find someone else to be pompous at.

  46. feelthebern

    Thoughts on the Caulfield Cup.
    Someone posted they are on Wolfe.
    At 50kilos, it’s a real chance.
    I’m not sure why Finche is favourite.
    It’s already qualified for the Melbourne Cup.
    If it wins the Caulfield cup, it gets a penalty.
    I reckon Chris Waller will be happy enough for a decent hit out & for a placing.
    There’s a reason why no one has done the double since Ethereal.

  47. Overburdened

    KB

    Not carrying on but have been to a lot of different places, and a clan based society is just that.

    I can think of a small island that had 12 tribes and now has 11.

    An old bloke there told me that he was praying for me because l was going on a plane.

    This was because he had never been anywhere other than his territory on a rock you can walk around in a few hours.

    As for the dickhead on tv, his role is to inform the whities.

    You know it makes sense.

  48. John Constantine

    Chicoms naval base Samoa.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-pacific-samoa-china-insight/sink-or-swim-chinese-port-plans-put-pacific-back-in-play-idUSKCN1UX01I

    The World War II site in Asau, which also hosts a 1960s-era concrete wharf in its well-protected natural harbor, is being considered for a new port to be developed by China, according to the Samoan government and the area’s highest ranking chief, Masoe Serota Tufaga.

    The proposed construction of a facility that could be turned into a military asset in hostile times has worried the United States and its regional allies, which have dominated international influence in the vast waters of the South Pacific since 1945.

    Sitting at his coconut and cocoa plantation on the hills above the port site, Tufaga told Reuters he would abide by any government deal for a Chinese-developed port even though he was concerned about Beijing’s growing influence.

    “The government and China came here to look at it – they offered it,” said 71-year-old Tufaga, who has the final say over land-use agreements affecting Asau.

    “If China wants to operate this, it’s too hard for us to say to the government, no, we can not allow China here. The people are looking for some jobs.

  49. bespoke

    1735099
    #3187641, posted on October 18, 2019 at 8:44 pm
    KD’s comments about the Kurds resemble almost exactly the attitudes that were extant about another displaced ethnic-religious group in pre WW2 Europe.

    Name the displaced group please?

  50. MatrixTransform

    I’m sure you do.

    Little Miss Muffet manages a sentence with mentioning her favorite food.

    outstanding!

  51. calli

    Shift change.

    Logan 5 and Jessica 6 have reached the swamp.

    Nothing changes.

  52. feelthebern

    Thoughts on the Everest.
    Thurs: Hot & windy.
    Friday: Warm & windy.
    Saturday: Warm.
    I hope the track has been being watered, otherwise Randwick will resemble a concrete block.
    I can not see Redzel doing much in those conditions.

  53. Overburdened

    Apologies

    The bloke on tv maybe isn’t a dickhead.

  54. Delcon

    Infidel Tiger
    #3187563, posted on October 18, 2019 at 6:57 pm
    Why is racing getting the blame for the conditions at some shitty abattoir staffed by third world peasants and local psychopaths?

    Who knows, but, surely, it has nothing to do with Melbourne Cup being just around the corner and our ABC having some underlying agenda here.

  55. zyconoclast

    A Melbourne judge has shown mercy to a couple who scammed $17 million from the woman’s employer, giving them lesser jail terms because of their two young daughters.

    Josie Gonzalez, 45, has been sentenced to 9-and-a-half years in prison for being the “mastermind” of a scheme which defrauded her employer, insurance underwriter Dual, over a period of more than two years.

    Her husband, Alvaro, 51, has been jailed for 7-and-a-half years.

  56. Arky

    Please promise me you did not was going to write a book.
    Oh God!
    There is one extant, isn’t there?

  57. feelthebern

    Zulu is on the box tonight.
    One of the greats.

  58. zyconoclast

    Andrew Forrest’s Fortescue Metals Group loses appeal against Pilbara native title claim

    Mining magnate Andrew Forrest faces a compensation fight after losing an appeal against a WA native title ruling over a huge tract of ore-rich Pilbara land.

    The land in question includes the multi-billion dollar Solomon Hub iron ore mine belonging to Mr Forrest’s Fortescue Metals Group (FMG).

    Two years ago the Federal Court granted native title to 2,700 square kilometres of land north of Karijini National Park to the Yinjibarndi people.

    FMG appealed the decision to grant exclusive native title to the group, citing concern about the higher standard of engagement with traditional owner groups required

  59. Tel

    Look fellas, we export sheep to both Turkey and Syria.

    I need to know who is prescribed and who is proscribed here …

    The EU has a blockade on Syria … they seized a ship going through the Straits of Gibraltar (effectively also claiming ownership of that passage by Brussels).

    Not sure if Australia is participating in that … I found the following fairly easily:

    Autonomous sanctions relating to Syria prohibit, without authorisation:

    Sanctioned supply

    1. The supply, sale or transfer to Syria of export sanctioned goods: arms and related materiel; items specified by the Minister in the Autonomous Sanctions (Export Sanctioned Goods – Syria) Specification 2012 or designated by the Minister in the Autonomous Sanctions (Export Sanctioned Goods – Syria) Designation 2012 (these include goods and technologies which have utility in the oil, gas and petrochemical industries, in telecommunications interception, as well as luxury goods); new or unissued Syrian banknotes and coins; and gold, precious metals and diamonds where these are supplied, directly or indirectly, to the Syrian Government, its public bodies, corporations or agencies.

    Food is not mentioned in the sanctioned list, but you would want to be checking that with an expert before something bad happens.

  60. Knuckle Dragger

    A 1941 extant continuum!

    Save me Jeebus!

  61. John Constantine

    East Timor, PNG, Solomons, Samoa, Vanuatu.

    Big flash chicom loanshark naval bases that the bankrupt countries cannot afford to maintain and upkeep.

    In fellow Pacific nation Vanuatu, a $54 million repair and upgrade to Luganville port facility, funded by Export–Import Bank of China, has also caught the attention of Western allies.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-pacific-samoa-china-insight/sink-or-swim-chinese-port-plans-put-pacific-back-in-play-idUSKCN1UX01I

    Given that australias political orcs sold Darwin to the chicoms, along with the concession to tax throughput so that australias proles will repay the cost, how can australia lecture the kleptocrats of the pacific, when they line up for their bribe payments for selling their countries out?.

    Comrades?.

  62. John Constantine

    The World War II site in Asau, which also hosts a 1960s-era concrete wharf in its well-protected natural harbor, is being considered for a new port to be developed by China, according to the Samoan government and the area’s highest ranking chief, Masoe Serota Tufaga.

    The proposed construction of a facility that could be turned into a military asset in hostile times has worried the United States and its regional allies, which have dominated international influence in the vast waters of the South Pacific since 1945.

    Sitting at his coconut and cocoa plantation on the hills above the port site, Tufaga told Reuters he would abide by any government deal for a Chinese-developed port even though he was concerned about Beijing’s growing influence.

    “The government and China came here to look at it – they offered it,” said 71-year-old Tufaga, who has the final say over land-use agreements affecting Asau.

    “If China wants to operate this, it’s too hard for us to say to the government, no, we can not allow China here.

  63. Mark A

    Winston Smith
    #3187289, posted on October 18, 2019 at 1:24 pm

    I wondered about this when the Hay Runners first got onto the scene, – not the vacuum packing, just the super compressing part – and just assumed it wasn’t possible or otherwise they would have done it.
    Do you have any further details on the concept, like replacing some of the vacuum with, say, pure nitrogen or CO2 or similar for long term storage? Does the cellulose degrade under the compression?

    He was reprocessing already baled and cured hay using pressures you cannot achieve in the field.
    So no heat problem. The vacuum was in conjunction with the pressing to make the bales even smaller.

    Works like the vacuum storage bags you can buy, amazing how small a duvet can be packed using one of those.
    For him weight didn’t matter as much since it was sea transport where volume is more important.
    I think he has a factory turning hay into pellets as well but the Japanese wanted hay as bulk feed.

    Took about 26 to 48 hours for the hay to return to previous bulk after opening.
    No idea if he is still in business.

  64. 1735099

    Name the displaced group please?

    No can do.
    Will be blocked by the spamator.
    But it starts with “J” and ends with “s”.
    You work it out.

    Consider these comments –

    Again with the goddamn Kurds.

    Substitute the group I’m talking about, and go back to 1935.
    See how well it fits?

    No-one – and I mean no-one gives a fuck about the Kurds. No one has for centuries, if not millennia. In fact,

    Same-same….

    And the reason no-one gives a fuck about them is because they’ve been a whiny band of tag-along goat enablers ever since. And they’re weak, because if they weren’t weak they would have carved out their own country by now. There’s 25 million of the bloody things. But no.

    Substitute “J**s have too much power in the business world”, J**s are more willing than others to use shady practices to get what they want”, and “J**s are not just as honest as other people”..

    Instead they work on shifting alliances with whichever other band of camels is the strongest at the time, and then wonder why they get hidings routinely from the new big dog when things change. Three separate countries tolerate them living on their sand. They’ve been allowed to live in peace in southern Turkey,

    More stereotyping –

    Because they’re not strong enough to have their own land they’re a) mercenaries, b) terrorists, and c) shithouse at (a) and (b). Snipe, snipe, snipe, bark, bark, blow someone else’s stuff up. Whinge when they get a smack in the mouth for doing so.

    The refrain is eerily familiar.

  65. Overburdened

    Following a troll trail l read KD’s postulations on the Kurds.

    Their problem is that they are land locked.

    This was made more challenging by the politics after WW1.

    Prior to that they had semi working relationships with their neighbours, interspersed with outbursts of blood letting.

    The Kurdistan national anthem translates as ‘Oh Enemy’.

    I have always had respect for the Kurds but hey.

    I think the killer he equated them to is a piece of shit, as I am sure there are similar pieces of shit in Kurdish society.

    One of my things used to be to tell people to get any Gregory’s street directory, open it at any page and put your finger randomly on the page, and go there and knock on the door.

    What you generally get is mum, dad and the kids.

    This applies in other societies.

  66. Top Ender

    It IS bloke’s night, isn’t it?

    So:

  67. Nob

    Melbourne Cup is now added to Australia Day and Anzac Day as ABC hatefest.

  68. Overburdened

    Not trying to provoke.

    Sharp ideas are hard to find.

  69. 1735099

    The last time numberwang started drooling over Aussie’s being killed in the USA was when that immigrant cop killed that woman.

    You have no working memory.

  70. John Constantine

    https://www.fbcnews.com.fj/news/fiji-china-relations-hit-a-new-high-of-development/

    If the airfields and naval bases are not being built with an internal rate of return positive enough to run them/upkeep them/ pay them off, but are built as vanity projects for the political elites that pocket kickbacks to sign their countries into servitude to loansharks, the pacific islands are just doing the same thing that australias corruptocracies do.

    Comrades.

  71. Delcon

    calli
    #3187509, posted on October 18, 2019 at 6:18 pm
    I ventured an opinion (or was it just a suspicion) that money, lots and lots of lovely money, might be at the root of the persecution of Cardinal Pell.

    Catholics here on the blog expressed their views, mostly negative. As I’m a Proddie, I bowed to their superior knowledge

    Oh yeah, I remember now.
    What can I say, I am generally against name-calling unless you are one of the nasty pieces of work around this blog, and you get personal with me first. For what it’s worth, I don’t think you are , and you were merely expressing an opinion.
    I am highly emotional about Pell’s conviction, and this led me to use colourful language.
    So, for what it’s worth, ever since then I have found a whole bunch of Cats who, I would say, probably deserve this title much more than you. So I am hereby officially decrowning you from this moron title, in favour of apparently more worthy recipients in this blog, namely Frank Walker, jupes, Oh come on, Knucklehead and bunch of other “true believers”, or, as I like to refer to them, well, morons.

  72. Overburdened

    https://youtu.be/YqeW9_5kURI

    Wish the picture would come up with an iPad.

  73. cohenite

    zyconoclast

    #3187662, posted on October 18, 2019 at 9:01 pm

    Andrew Forrest’s Fortescue Metals Group loses appeal against Pilbara native title claim

    From the abc vomitous article:

    “Implicit in these comments is the notion that the exercise of traditional rights over country is in some way a less legitimate form of occupancy than that seen in the context of Anglo-Australian relationships to real property,” Justices Robertson and Griffiths wrote in their rejection of the appeal.

    The judges found that such a position “is to misunderstand the concept of native title rights and interests to require them to fit into non-Aboriginal concepts of property, the exercise of proprietary rights and the enforcement of property rights”.

    “That is why what occurs is recognition of native title; not conferral, and not transformation into non-Aboriginal property rights,” they wrote.

    Every decision like this is a dagger into the heart of unity and equality in this country. NT can be inferior, the same, in which case it should not exist, or superior. These judges are saying it is superior. Mabo, the basis of all these judgments, is arguably the worst, most divisive judgment in Australian history.

  74. Muddy

    The refrain is eerily familiar.

    Not just FAMILIAR, but once you SUBSTITUTE your suggestions (see above) for KD’s, it’s EXACTLY the same! Case closed. You’ve got him.

  75. Nob

    Extortion Rebellion:

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-10-17/whatsapp-protests-erupt-in-lebanon-as-economic-crisis-deepens

    It’s being called the “WhatsApp protest” but:

    the government also discussed a proposal for a gradual increase to the value-added tax, currently at 11%, and fees on gasoline.

    This is the real popular protest – Ecuador and elsewhere, vastly outnumbering the over-indulged Extinction Rebellion delusion .

  76. bespoke

    It’s all in your head numberwang until you produce comparative quotes.

    What year did the National Socialist start “displacing” the J**s ?.

  77. Knuckle Dragger

    Explain what a ‘stereotype’ is, Old Yeller, and then explain why anything I’ve said was incorrect.

    I said they were parasites, and they are. I didn’t say WE should kill them, let alone kill them all. There are as-yet undiscovered ape creatures in the Bengali jungles that can grasp this concept.

    There was some limited discussion this morning on the Zaporozhian Cossacks and their reply to Sultan Mehmed IV. Their words still ring true vis-à-vis yourself, centuries later:

    ‘What the devil kind of [white] knight are thou, that canst not slay a hedgehog with your naked arse?’

  78. Overburdened

    In response to a piece of stupid recently posted, it needs to be said that working memory is not the issue when reference events are beyond short periods, and relevant to the person.

    Here is an example of someone trying to show that they are intellectually superior and proving themselves to be a dickhead.

  79. Boambee John

    Owning a gun is for defence – not for armed break-ins, I’m told here over and over again.

    Despite many years of severe education, the seagull has not ywpet comprehended that actual criminals tend not to obey laws about gun ownership or use.

    Much in common with two short planks, the seagull has.

  80. notafan

    Numberwang and his peeps used to say m uslims are the new J ews.

    Not caring to be involved in middle eastern territorial disputes is definitely the same as designating groups like J ews ‘Slavs and Gypsies as sub human
    and only fit to be exterminated.

    Give that man a PhD.

  81. Top Ender

    The rewriting of history is to continue:

    Bruce Pascoe’s award-winning non-fiction book Dark Emu is to be adapted for the screen.

    Blackfella Films, the Sydney-based production company founded by Rachel Perkins, will create a documentary series based on Pascoe’s book, to be screened on the ABC.

    Dark Emu will be written by Pascoe with Jacob Hickey (First Contact), directed by Erica Glynn (She Who Must Be Loved) and produced by Darren Dale (First Australians) and Belinda Mravicic (Black Chook)

    The series received principal production investment from Screen Australia’s Indigenous Department in association with the ABC, and is financed with support from Screen NSW with Film Victoria.

    First published in 2014 by Magabala Books and reprinted over 28 times, Dark Emu draws on the diaries of early European explorers in Australia to demolish the myths depicting pre-colonial Aboriginal Australians as primitive ‘hunter-gatherers’.

    Pascoe’s book provides compelling evidence to illustrate that Aboriginal systems of food production and land management have been blatantly understated and ignored, and highlights colonial accounts of Aboriginal people farming, irrigating, harvesting and living in large villages.

    Link

  82. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘Substitute “J**s have too much power in the business world”, J**s are more willing than others to use shady practices to get what they want”, and “J**s are not just as honest as other people”..’

    Those were in quotation marks, Four Leaf. Used in quotes. By others.

    Who said those things?

    Oh. You just made them up. Metaphorically, no doubt.

  83. 1735099

    Not caring to be involved……

    KD’s quote did not reference Trump’s decision.
    Neither did mine.
    I was simply pointing out the tendency of posters here to stereotype specific ethnic groups to prove a point.
    Hitler used it (racial stereotyping) to seek and hold power.
    I have no idea what KD’s motives are and don’t care.
    But the process is exactly the same.

  84. Oh come on

    You might not like the Brexit treaty, but listening to this illiberal undemocratic Liberal Democrat leader get absolutely pantsed on talkback radio is a hoot. It is brutal. Oooof!

    Pretty incredible how flat-footed the remoaner response is to this deal. The hastily conceived lines are so weak and the scaremongering is blatantly obvious. She even trots out the old ‘lorries queuing at Dover’ bogeyman, which was what the remoaners said would happen as a result of No Deal.

  85. Tel

    No-one – and I mean no-one gives a fuck about the Kurds. No one has for centuries, if not millennia. In fact, the last Kurd of any importance to anything anywhere was Salad (in), and even that was for trying to kill as many Christians as he could.

    Oh I dunno, they are kind of sentimental favourites, I wish them well. I wouldn’t send my kids to die for them though … there’s a limit … ya know?

    If Kosovo can vote for independence, and the Crimea can vote for independence, and Scotland at least got the opportunity to vote for independence, as did Quebec, then seems reasonable the Kurds should get the same deal.

    Most of America’s allies end up at some stage becoming America’s enemies … it’s kind of the way that Washington does the business, and always has done (is anyone old enough to remember when the USA supported Manuel Noriega). Plan for change because change is inevitable. Australia should be thinking along those lines … at least a little bit.

    Instead they work on shifting alliances with whichever other band of camels is the strongest at the time, and then wonder why they get hidings routinely from the new big dog when things change. Three separate countries tolerate them living on their sand. They’ve been allowed to live in peace in southern Turkey, northeastern Syria and northwestern Iraq as long as they don’t start mouthing off. But no.

    Make that four countries, there’s Kurds in Iran as well. At one stage they were a kind of annex to the Persian Empire.

    https://thekurdishproject.org/kurdistan-map/iranian-kurdistan/

    There’s a two practical reasons why it’s difficult for Kurds to be independent:
    * No viable sea ports means no connection with international shipping.
    * They have oil, which all the current governments of Syria, Iran, Iraq, and Turkey lay claim to.

    I should also point out that PKK were never voted as representatives of all Kurds, and living as an outlaw revolutionary might not be for everyone.

  86. notafan

    Only in your tiny little mind

  87. 1735099

    Who said these things?

    Many Rightists in many countries in Europe, and the USA in the mid and late thirties.
    The phenomenon was also evident in Oz through the activities of the New Guard.
    The same contagion is spreading again.
    History doesn’t repeat, but it rhymes.

  88. bespoke

    1735099
    #3187673, posted on October 18, 2019 at 9:13 pm
    The last time numberwang started drooling over Aussie’s being killed in the USA was when that immigrant cop killed that woman.

    You have no working memory.

    Given that proves nothing it was the last time numberwang started drooling over Aussie’s being killed’

    Ill still concede some and re-phrase

    The first time I remember numberwang drooling over Aussie’s being killed in the USA was when that immigrant cop killed that woman.

  89. Oh come on

    Incredibly awkward.

  90. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘Many Rightists’

    So, nobody. Just people. The same people that Negus referred to in Thatcher’s monstering of an interview.

    To quote the Iron Lady:

    ‘Who?’

  91. Nob

    Iraqi Kurdistan works pretty well (by regional standards) and despite recent past injustices , has a remnant J’ish minority. Like 450 families, according to Wiki.

    Kurds in Syria were never getting a fair go – I worked with several in rig camps there, including some academic types who could never get tenure at the Uni, just a series of 3-month contracts that might be refused any time, because required a Syrian passport and Syria wouldn’t issue passports to Kurds. So they could make a better living on the rigs. One , a professor of French, was paying for his daughters to study in France and he hoped they’d stay there because Syria was no place for a Kurdish woman. At that time though, 1990s, Syrian Arab women were relatively liberated.

  92. Muddy

    Even after the legendary evacuation from Dunkirk in June 1940 there were still large British formations fighting the Germans alongside their French allies. After mounting a vigorous counterattack at Abbeville and then engaging a tough defence along the Somme, the British were forced to conduct a second evacuation from the ports of Le Havre, Cherbourg, Brest, and St Nazaire. While France was in its death throes, politicians and soldiers debated what to do-flee to England or North Africa, to seek an armistice. Case Red captures the drama of the final three weeks of military operations in France in June 1940, and explains the great impact it had on the course of relations between Britain and France during the remainder of the war. It also addresses the military, political, and human drama of France’s collapse in June 1940, and how the windfall of captured military equipment, fuel, and industrial resources enhanced the Third Reich’s ability to attack its next foe-the Soviet Union.

  93. 8th Dan

    So I am hereby officially decrowning you from this moron title

    There is no reason to change your original view. The referenced comment was moronic.

  94. 1735099

    Australia should be thinking along these lines – at least a little bit.

    Absolutely.
    Hence my earlier comments about a foreign policy that assumes that the Yanks under Trump couldn’t give a stuff about our alliance, and the need to develop our own military industrial base so we don’t have to rely on them.
    Substitute Australia for Kurdistan some time in the future, to get a handle on one possible scenario, especially if China is involved.
    A combination of American isolationalism and self interest is entirely feasible.

  95. jupes

    What can I say, I am generally against name-calling unless you are one of the nasty pieces of work around this blog, and you get personal with me first.

    Lol. Let’s go to the tape:

    Maybe because they are human beings, you fucking lowlife scumbag piece of shit.

    You might need to control your emotions a bit more, if you don’t want to contradict yourself champ.

    I am highly emotional about Pell’s conviction the Kurds, and this led me to use colourful language.

    The question is why? Why do they make you so emotional Delcon? What have the Kurds ever done for you?

  96. Delcon

    You’re pretty stupid, jupes.

  97. zyconoclast

    Mexico really is a narco-state

    Heavy fighting broke out in northern Mexico after the security forces seized one of the sons of jailed drug kingpin Joaquín “El Chapo” Guzmán.

    Fighting raged for several hours after Ovidio Guzmán López was found during a routine patrol in the city of Culiacán.

    Footage showed heavily-armed men firing on police, with cars, bodies and burning barricades strewn in the road.

    Police withdrew without Mr Guzmán in their custody to avoid further violence, officials said.

    A lawyer for the Guzmán family told the Associated Press (AP): “Ovidio is alive and free.”

  98. Muddy

    Substitute Australia for Kurdistan some time in the future, to get a handle on one possible scenario, especially if China is involved.

    Ummm, oookaaay. Let me try: Giraffe. Cheese. Nitrogen.
    Oh, that is fun!

  99. bespoke

    Hay, I’m the only true dissenter and martyr on this site with my support of Woodstock cans. You are fools and ignorant sheep!!!!

  100. EvilElvis

    Lesbian cricket on. So exciting even my two female staff members on tonight are taking the piss out of it.

  101. zyconoclast

    Viewpoint: Time for girls in space and s3x without power

    Founder of The Pink Protest and author Scarlett Curtis shares her vision for 2030, and asks whether feminism is anywhere near “done”.

    I am not a fan of science fiction. It’s a genre that bores me and as much as I have tried, over the years, to muster up excitement for Star Wars, Doctor Who or even Nineteen Eighty-Four, I inevitably end up switching off and losing interest.

    There is just one future reality that truly interests me. It’s the far-off, magical world titled “The Female-Led Future”.

    So let us return to our question – what does a female-led future look like?

    It’s the story of boys in skirts, girls in spaceships, governments with compassion and s3x without power.

  102. classical_hero

    Holden or Ford?
    Beatles or Stones?
    Wine spritzer or beers?

    Ford
    Neither
    I’m a teetotaler

    Levis or Wranglers?
    Coke or Pepsi?
    Sonny or Cher?

    Levi’s
    Coke
    I got you, babe.

    Dogs or cats?
    Favourite movie?
    First car?

    Both
    Shawshank Redemption
    Mitsubishi Colt. Most probably was the cause of global warming due to its smoking problems.

  103. Knuckle Dragger

    Delconmonty.

    World class emote specialist. No reason given for emoting. Asked reasonable questions. Doubles down on emoting. No answers given. Abuses commenters as a collective.

    Goes away. Comes back. ‘Remember that time when…’

    Delcon’s a chick. And a nasty one, too.

  104. Mark A

    1735099
    #3187668, posted on October 18, 2019 at 9:10 pm

    But it starts with “J” and ends with “s”.

    Substitute “J**s have too much power in the business world”, J**s are more willing than others to use shady practices to get what they want”, and “J**s are not just as honest as other people”..

    You really are a nasty piece of work.
    I thought Cassie was a bit hard on you at times. Sorry Cassie, you were treating this slime with kid gloves

  105. Knuckle Dragger

    People who drink Woodstock cans are more willing to use shady practices to get things done, and are just not as honest as other people. They also have too much control in the business world.

    I know this because many Rightists said so. I don’t know who, or where or in what context, but I will repeat them as an incorrect analogy the first chance I get, and use a mallet to bash that square peg in a round hole.

    Also, a guy once said on TV that Vietnam was bad.

  106. JC

    Recall the comment that if women were running the world, “we’d still be living in mud huts” …. if not caves?
    While on a plane trip, I watched the digitally enhanced version of Apollo 11. It was magnificent and inspring and especially so when you consider the technology that went into putting men on the moon.

    I counted 1 woman in the Houston control room at the time. When the boys finally touched down, the fellas in the control room cigars.

    This is one reason why NASA will never again put a man on the moon let alone on Mars. This is what the big focus is these days.

    NASA Tries Again for the First All-Female Spacewalk
    The agency plans for a walk from the International Space Station, months after canceling it because it didn’t have the right spacesuit

    You’ve just got to be freaking kidding me.

  107. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Case Red captures the drama of the final three weeks of military operations in France in June 1940, and explains the great impact it had on the course of relations between Britain and France during the remainder of the war. It also addresses the military, political, and human drama of France’s collapse in June 1940, and how the windfall of captured military equipment, fuel, and industrial resources enhanced the Third Reich’s ability to attack its next foe-the Soviet Union.

    Highly recommended – the French Army put up a better fight, in 1940 then they are usually given credit for. The next title, by the same author, “Case White” is due for release in the next couple of months or so.

  108. Overburdened

    Muddy

    Dunno who put that up as a proposition.

    Totally.

  109. calli

    Nice to be de-moroned.

    A weight off my mind. 😃

  110. bespoke

    I know people are wondering why I use emoticons It’s because Muddy said he likes them some time ago.

  111. zyconoclast

    What human waste can tell us about income, diet and health

    They found that in higher socioeconomic areas, consumption of fibre, citrus and caffeine was greater. In lower socioeconomic areas, prescription drugs were in significant use. In short, the researchers found, the richer the community, the more healthy its diet. And all this information came encoded in that community’s human waste.

    Link to study

  112. Overburdened

    JC

    I hope they look like Barbarella.

  113. calli

    A scantily clad lol is better.

  114. hzhousewife

    Young Marybrook kid doing Climate Change in term 4 year 4. Makes a change from Christmas, which usually takes up the entire curriculum.

    LOL
    Way back when I had a kid in term 4 year 4 it was wombats……………. four years of wombats, after which we pulled the pin and transferred her to a school which taught reading writing and arithmetic.
    Christmas sounds very very dodgy………….

  115. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘NASA Tries Again for the First All-Female Spacewalk’

    Righto.

    Why?

  116. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    The next title, by the same author, “Case White” is due for release in the next couple of months or so.

    To be released at the end of October.

  117. Arky

    NASA Tries Again for the First All-Female Spacewalk

    ..
    I’ll push the bint out.

  118. Arky

    That is the problem isn’t it?
    She is standing in the hatchway going “I can’t go out in this, I wore it yesterday”.

  119. Arky

    “Arky, open this hatch”.
    “I sorry, I can’t do that sugar tits”.

  120. Knuckle Dragger

    Got it.

    They’re all wearing the same outfit.

    Plus, you can’t pull hair if your target’s got a helmet on.

  121. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    She is standing in the hatchway going “I can’t go out in this, I wore it yesterday”.

    “Does my bum look big in this?”

  122. Knuckle Dragger

    And they all weigh the same in space. Consequently, they’ll fight harder over the other stuff.

  123. Overburdened

    I wanna be the first tranny in space.

    Unless someone didn’t come out….

  124. Steve trickler

    Ed Dickens is pissed off. He’s yanking the whistle hard!

    Get away from the tracks!



  125. EvilElvis

    So, lezzos are playing cricket yet are chasing white b_alls. How patriarchal can you get!

  126. Overburdened

    ….but if they didn’t they weren’t anyway so I’m still first, and none of you reactionaries, to cite a forgotten appellation, will stop me.

    NDIS will help me realise my dream.

  127. EvilElvis

    Houston we have a problem,
    and Shaniqua Dante we have a problem,
    and Leticia Bronjames we have a problem…

  128. Knuckle Dragger

    Elvis, importantly the ladeees prefer the b#lls to be smooth and firm to the touch.

  129. EvilElvis

    Duly noted, KD. And they’re not blue either.

  130. EvilElvis

    Thank Christ that’s over. Be more scissor action in the change rooms now than a hairdressers convention.

  131. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Pascoe’s book provides compelling evidence to illustrate that Aboriginal systems of food production and land management have been blatantly understated and ignored, and highlights colonial accounts of Aboriginal people farming, irrigating, harvesting and living in large villages.

    Stories that my Nanna told me – it was the Garden of Eden before evil debbil debbil whitefella came along.

  132. Knuckle Dragger

    Well, now the emoticons have gone, it’s time for Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels on the Flix.

  133. JC

    Fuck, you’re a bigot. A colorless, ignorant bigot without a single redeeming quality.

  134. cohenite

    That’s it for me. I’m off.

  135. EvilElvis

    How do you embed videos, Steve.

    I’m on Android mobile.

  136. MatrixTransform

    What can I say, I am generally against name-calling unless you are one of the nasty pieces of work around this blog, and you get personal with me first.

    chuckles.

    John Wayne couldn’t have said it better.

    Say Johnny, that’s a damn fine whit hat you have ther.

    What colour’s yr pony?

  137. John Constantine

    Australian company with a mine in the Solomon Islands can dig the nickel up, just can’t get an export permit from the government. A cynic would say that if the chicoms end up with the mine, the permit to export will be hand delivered at the next handover of bribe cash.

    An Australian mining company is taking the Solomon Islands government to court over the refusal to grant it an export permit.

    Axiom Mining has a mining lease to dig for nickel in Isabel province and began operations at the start of the year.

    But CEO Ryan Mount said when the company went to send its first shipment of ore to an overseas buyer the Minerals Board refused to grant it an export permit.

    “We see no legal basis for it at all and we’re obviously very concerned for ourselves, the people of Isabel and the economy in general that this nation-building project continues to be stalled,” Mr Mount said.

    He warned the refusal is not just a legal issue but a risk to the country’s international reputation.

    “The international investment community is really looking at our project to see if we can get this up and running,” he said.

    “If the government cannot comply with its own rules and laws you’re simply going to have unethical operations and that’s not good for anyone”.

    Frank Yourn, executive director of the Australia Pacific Islands Business Council agrees the case could have wider ramifications.

    “These sorts of examples will cause investors to hold back,” Mr Yourn said.

    Both the Permanent Secretary for the Ministry of Mines Dr Chris Vehe and the Director of Mines Nicholas Biliki declined to comment as the matter is now before the courts

  138. MatrixTransform

    Many Rightists in many countries in Europe, and the USA in the mid and late thirties.

    firstly. That’s not a sentence you tool.

    secondly, I don’t think you know what stereotyping means.

    How does somebody so stupid get canditature?

    Oh that’s right. Paying with its own money.
    …the windfall money.

    what a joke you retards are.

    but carry on.

    stick to the script

  139. MatrixTransform

    and the need to develop our own military industrial base so we don’t have to rely on them.

    Phhht!

    deluded old tosser

  140. John Constantine

    MGX mount gibson announced quarterly today.

    The Koolan Island iron ore mine throwing off a couple of million dollars a week in profit. This is the mine where their bhp walked away, but dynamited the seawall and flooded the pit so that nobody else could mine the resource belonging to the commonwealth and pay royalties to the australian people.

    Lot of cash in a pile, but rewilding their two minesites will swallow a lot of it. Best days probably behind mgx and the chart looks bad.

  141. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Bruce in W.A. – rejoined the land of the living? Traveling all right?

  142. MatrixTransform

    https://youtu.be/6RFY05U2hlg

    just paste it in.
    make sure its the last thing in yr post



    is a bit hit and miss so I generally remove the ‘s’ from https://

  143. MatrixTransform

    dodgy.dodgy.dodgy

    what ever … EvilElvis, a bit of trial and terror and it works.

  144. Steve trickler

    Put it on the Big Screen!



  145. Steve trickler

    Jeff, has a backstory.



  146. classical_hero

    Does not work on my phone

  147. Arky

    Just watched Team America again.
    That is one great movie.
    15 years ago now. Can you believe it?

  148. classical_hero

    https: //www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmOvYgZthLM

  149. classical_hero

    Why does linking on my computer work and not from my phone?

  150. EvilElvis

    15 years ago and still as relevant as ever, Arky.

    https://youtu.be/U1mlCPMYtPk

  151. EvilElvis

    Hmmmm, same here classical hero. No joy on mobile.

  152. Zatara

    bundyrum #3187571, posted on October 18, 2019 at 7:10 pm

    Dunno why they bring up Turkey & NATO & the worry about the USA.
    Most of the euroweenies haven’t paid their share for NATO for years.
    It is supposed to be an organisation that believes an attack on one is an attack on all, I don’t remember any support from any NATO country when UK territory was attacked by Argentina, in fact
    AFAIK, more support came from Australia & NZ.
    Anyone know of NATO military support in that conflict?

    Article 5 of the NATO Treaty

    The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognised by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.

    However, the US quietly shared satellite and signals intelligence with the UK and provided a large stockpile of Sidewinder air-to-air missiles and Stinger hand-held anti-air missiles to them.

  153. classical_hero

    Let’s see if I can work out YouTube from my phone.

    https://youtube.com/4zQmkyH0Mr0

  154. classical_hero

    Success. To work you need to have after :// youtube dot com / watch? v= and then the video number. I finally found out what was missing from the shortened mobile links.

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