Open Forum: October 19, 2019

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  1. Delcon

    notafan
    #3190774, posted on October 22, 2019 at 12:30 pm

    Anyone that risked their life to fight in a war on behalf of complete strangers should be thanked, not spat on

    Impressing risking-of-life-to-fight-in-a-war-on-behalf-of Kurds stuff on display now by the US at the moment. (And for the umpteenth time, they would not have risked their lives had they stayed.)

  2. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘comrades in arms’

    Ha!

    You spelled ‘paid opportunistic mercenaries’ wrong.

    Moaning, begin!

  3. Delcon

    1944: “Hey, Yanks. Youre paratroops are totally sourounded. Surrender now and save your life”.
    -“Nuts!”
    2019: “Hey, Yanks. You have the strongest military with the strongest air power in history. You are my NATO ally so I cannot attack you even legally, let alone militarily, so if you don’t surrender I cannot do anything. Surrender!”
    – “Sure, just give us five minutes to get into our cars and piss off.”

  4. Mitch M.

    Don’t worry Mitch.
    The global epidemic of tardive dyskinesia will be very enlightening to the general population about the degree to which they should trust the medical profession.
    It’s very sad but it’s the only way.

    Antipsychotics work for psychosis. I don’t have a problem with that but I have huge problems with the off label use of antipsychotics especially in children because APDs have been demonstrated in both chimps and humans to shrink the brain. Perhaps that is just loss of blood flow or a hydration issue but the evidence seems to support outright loss of tissue at 8-11%. For psychosis that is an acceptable trade off but in developing brains I have to wonder if at some point there is going to be a huge class action brought against Big Pharma promoting the use of those drugs in children.

    TD is rare in the second generation APDs but some second gen APDs very much increase the risk of metabolic syndrome and subsequent type 2 diabetes.

    Psychiatrists need to be much more honest about psychoactive drugs. Psychologists might also consider being more honest about just how effective cognitive behavioral therapy is because I know people with the relevant quals who think it is rubbish. The reviews I have read tend to support their position but in Australia CBT is rolled out as the gold standard of psychotherapeutic treatment.

  5. mh

    For anyone who missed Delcon on previous page:

    Shame to waste good potatoes on the US SF troops. Every single US troop leaving the Kurds to their fate under Erdogan’s murderous militias should be rightly spat on, in lieu of preferable alternatives, such as spitting on the face of their foolish CiC.

  6. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘they would not have risked their lives had they stayed.’

    Undoubtedly not. Because of your imaginary conversations had in the World Leaders’ Club over old whisky and cigars.

    Send your emotional feelz in letter format to the UN. It’s their job. They’ll probably sign a resolution to form a steering committee.

  7. egg_

    The new IQ3/4 boxes are designed to talk to a amp/sound bar set up via HDMI.

    My ancient surround Receiver doesn’t support HDMI either – apparently all of the new enhanced digital surround encoding schemes post AC3/DTS aren’t supported by TOSLINK (Optical) hence why Foxtel went the way of HDMI.

    HDMI – discrete 5.1 extractor

  8. Knuckle Dragger

    2019: ‘Hey, Kurds. We’re finally sick of being the schoolyard protector of the mouthy dwarf kid that wants to start fights all the time. Here’s $10 and a cricket bat, and stop yer bitching. We’ve got better things to do. Now fuck off.’

  9. Delcon

    mh
    #3190783, posted on October 22, 2019 at 12:40 pm

    For anyone who missed Delcon on previous page

    It’s alright, mh darling.
    It is my distinct impression that the Cats (at least some of them, with a few exceptions) are well versed in the mob pile-on against Wrongthinking offenders even without you whipping them into a frenzy of hate. They are perfectly versed in this whipping-selves-into-a-pile-up without your assistance.

  10. dover_beach

    Delcon, you’re not making any sense.

  11. Knuckle Dragger

    Also 2019: ‘Hey everyone! You’re all fuckheads and morons! Oh no! A pile-on! Lookit me, a veeektim!’

  12. Woolfe

    Doomlord socks them

    Sinclair Davidson

    @SincDavidson
    ·

    First they came for the free speech activists and the journos remained quiet. Then they came for the journos and the free speech activists laughed and laughed.

  13. min

    Horses for corses Mitch M. CBT is not always done well and it requires huge commitment on the part of the client to do the work required . It takes a certain type of Psychologist who can encourage, support as well as explain how to change long held beliefs, thinking and behaviour . I trained wih Albert Ellis and later on with Tem Beck of BDI. and chose this therapy over Rogerian ,Gestalt Family Therapy and Freudian based therapies that were favoured way back but also used many techniques from other therapires .

  14. Knuckle Dragger

    The actual delcons must be on the verge of lawfare against this clown, surely.

    Maybe he could settle by giving them a mound of Kurdish skulls as compensation. They’d be cheap as chips, too.

  15. calli

    I’m Wrongthinking on another thread right now.

    Time to sharpen the ferrule on the pile-on brolly. 😀

  16. 8th Dan

    you are well into ‘conjecture’ territory.

    If the guys … I would strongly suggest …

    Yes, indeed. Trying hard. Too hard.

    Here’s the more likely scenario:

    Larsson had a really hefty spectacles prescription, almost coke bottle. You can see the distortion in his memorial photo. Looking for the prongs, head not quite aligned with his direction, bit of distortion away from the centre of the lens, maybe specs a little fogged from the humidity. Every expectation that he might not see those prongs he was looking for. Stepped on the mine, moved forward, mine jumped up to chest height behind him, killed him and 2 other soldiers, wounded another.

  17. Delcon

    dover_beach
    #3190790, posted on October 22, 2019 at 12:48 pm

    Delcon, you’re not making any sense

    dover_beach, neither are you.
    (See, I can write posts with non-specific claims which nobody can understand what the hell I mean by.)

  18. Stimpson J. Cat

    Antipsychotics work for psychosis.

    Oh no they don’t.
    Not always, and not well enough or consistently enough, if at all.
    Especially when compared to placebos, or simply waiting for the psychosis to subside.

    TD is rare in the second generation APDs but some second gen APDs very much increase the risk of metabolic syndrome and subsequent type 2 diabetes.

    No it’s not rare.
    They just don’t like doing studies longer than three years.

    Isn’t it intriguing the rates of Parkinson’s and dementia and Alzheimer’s we seem to be having?

    It’s fascinating isn’t it?

  19. notafan

    (And for the umpteenth time, they would not have risked their lives had they stayed.

    oh no

    never see blue on blue in the ME

    US and Aus troops for that matter are always at risk , always

    a young relly did a stint in Iraq not long ago

    confined to base most of the time

    jihadis are every where

  20. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘See, I can write posts with…….’

    Yes, we can see that. All of them.

  21. notafan

    (And for the umpteenth time, they would not have risked their lives had they stayed.

    oh no

    never see blue on blue in the ME

    US and Aus troops for that matter are always at risk , always

    a young relly did a stint in Iraq not long ago

    confined to base most of the time

    jih adis are every where

  22. notafan

    Not happy with eye witness account Grogodan makes up history to suit narrative

    different

    unusual

  23. Top Ender

    Even ol’ mate Troy doesn’t like Albo:

    ALP SHOULD HAVE LEFT ALBANESE ON THE SHELF
    TROY BRAMSTON

    Paralysed Labor is lacking direction and new ideas

    There is talk in Coalition and Labor ranks that Scott Morrison may go to an early election, in about two years, in late 2021, rather than wait until mid-2022 when an election for the House of Representatives and half the Senate normally would be due. Why? Because he knows he has Anthony Albanese’s measure.

    In more than five months since the election Albanese has done next to nothing to demonstrate that Labor has learned anything, changed course on policy or strategy, or put his stamp on the party in any noticeable way. His office is talking up a 1990s-style “headland” speech next week. Is that it?

    A Labor frontbencher told me: “For a guy who wanted to be leader so bad, and couldn’t wait to announce he was running for it less than 24 hours after the election, he does not know what to do with the job.” Labor MPs think the party is paralysed, directionless and in denial about the election. The “general view” is that Albanese has turned out to be worse than most thought.

    For a party that has received less than 35 per cent of the vote at the past three elections, the need for a wholesale review of policies, organisation and campaigning is evident. Labor’s post-election review is due next month. A lot, it seems, is riding on it. But parties need to be led. Albanese should be championing a new direction as many on his frontbench have. What is he waiting for?

    Labor MPs often cringe over Albanese’s tactics and strategy. Labor usually opposes Coalition policies but votes for them anyway. The “big stick” energy laws are the latest example. Border protection is the third rail of Australian politics. Yet Albanese campaigned against the deportation of a Tamil asylum-seeker family from Biloela in central Queensland, even though the vast majority of voters support the government’s tough border protection policies.

    The absurd parliamentary motion seeking to declare a “climate emergency” is symptomatic of Albanese’s leadership. While climate change is a serious challenge for Australia and the world, and must be addressed, this is empty rhetoric. What is Labor’s policy to reduce carbon emissions? It doesn’t have one. Labor looks like it is being run by the loony left.

    Joel Fitzgibbon, from Labor’s NSW Right faction, did more than most to ensure Albanese became leader. His call for the opposition to adopt the government’s emissions reduction target of 26-28 per cent on 2005 levels by 2030 — supported by the Australian Workers Union — would be a sensible repositioning.

    Instead, Albanese allowed his factional buddy, Mark Butler, to throw Fitzgibbon under the bus and line up with the Greens and independents to support declaring a “climate emergency”. Butler advocated a 45 per cent reduction target by 2030 at the election but failed to outline what this would cost or the economic impact. To working-class voters — who deserted Labor at the last election — this signals job losses and higher energy bills.

    It is telling that Daniel Andrews felt the need to mark out a different approach from Albanese’s federal Labor. “What we are about is not motions and words, but actions,” the Victorian Labor Premier said last week. “No such motion has been moved in this parliament, and that may be a point of difference between our government and the opposition in Canberra. Action is always better than simple posturing.” Ouch.

    But did you hear the news? “I’m not a member of a faction,” Albanese said to startled journalists on Sunday. This will also come as a surprise to those in the NSW Labor Left who have seen Albanese at meetings for 40 years. Indeed, Albanese has been a state party official, national executive member and factional powerbroker for generations. What next? We should believe in Santa Claus?

    A faction man, Albanese, should know how to manage the party. But union leaders have been critical of Labor’s support for free trade agreements with Hong Kong, Indonesia and Peru. ACTU president Michele O’Neil said Labor had “made a mistake” that would “not be forgotten by workers”. The opposition should support the free trade deals but managing unions, and negotiating outcomes, is a key part of leading Labor.

    A smarter leader also would not have allowed three of his MPs to come within a whisker of being expelled from the Northern Territory branch last weekend. As my colleague Greg Brown reported, Luke Gosling, Malarndirri Mc-Carthy and Warren Snowdon were almost expelled because of their support for the trade deals. Wiser heads, only narrowly, prevailed.

    Bill Shorten had many faults but he could manage a party. He once told me he understood the party better than Kevin Rudd or Julia Gillard, and most of their predecessors. Shorten was a supreme deal-maker. None of it mattered, of course, when it came to the election. But he kept Labor united for most of the six years he was at the helm.

    As the latest Newspoll confirms, it is not going well for Albanese. Within a few months of becoming opposition leader in 2013, Shorten had a positive net approval rating and Labor led the Coalition.

    There has been no sustained poll bounce for Albanese. His personal ratings continue to sink and Labor is stuck on an unelectable 33 per cent primary vote. It seems voters have made up their minds. Albanese lacks authority and credibility. It goes from bad to worse. While those who doubted his ambition matched his ability are not surprised, some who strongly supported his elevation are having second thoughts. It is called buyer’s remorse.

    In any case, he may have only two years left in the job.

    Oz print edition complete

  24. Mother Lode

    Delcon, it was only an alliance of convenience. Like the Soviets in WW2. Like so many others. Ongoing alliances like NATO have a very different anatomy.

    The US and the Kurds achieved their shared objective.

    Is it anywhere recorded that the US promised to help the Kurds take on Turkey, which the US has put in place a law forbidding?

    You seem to believe helping the Kurds comes at a great price that can never be repaid. I personally expect the Kurds already got the better part of the deal with the US.

    Look, everyone wants peace. But they don’t want the same peace. In the ME especially everyone want the peace of their own victory and, here is the trick: They do not want the peace of their own defeat.

    If they wanted to they could have peace tomorrow – by just surrendering.

    But they don’t want that. They want their way and they place higher priority on that than peace. The US imposing peace will just piss off both sides while they are denied victory.

    Let them hammer it out – it was probably their plan anyway. Let them punch, kick, scratch each others eyes until they don’t want to any more. Then they might find a peace they can both live with. Or at lease shut up about.

  25. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘You are well into conjecture territory’

    Seizing the day, 8th Sock then launches into:

    ‘Here’s the more likely scenario’

    And then regales the hoi polloi with, well, conjecture.

    *slow hand clap*

    *remembers*

    *slow jazz hands*

  26. Stimpson J. Cat

    Psychologists might also consider being more honest about just how effective cognitive behavioral therapy is because I know people with the relevant quals who think it is rubbish.

    Qualifications mean nothing when it comes to treating mental illness.
    What matters is experience and results.
    And results are best achieved through a combination of diet, sleep, exercise, meaningful work or a job, socialization, meditation and breathing exercises, and CBT or any similar style of self analysis.

  27. Top Ender

    Thanks Egg.

    Had a big text to text conversation with Foxtel – this is their latest chat system.

    Finished with me saying a) I want to make an official complaint and b) want the old box back with its full audio output. They have now gone silent.

    Giving them the other barrel online with their complaints section. Suggesting there they should supply a converter box – the Baosity one you suggested.

    Hours of fun!

  28. Helen

    Well Jane Fonda should dust off her cannon and go stop the war. I find it amusing that all the left were so aggro over getting out of that trigger warning that place and now they are aggro about NOT leaving? M

    Now how can we twist that with global warmening? Does it take a conservative government to go all out before the wind change? A loading on green power of a gazillion percent and choice of type of power supplied? Coal pay zilch loading, wind x loading, solar y loading? It would be like carbon offsets this n the aeroplane.

  29. jo

    notafan
    #3190774, posted on October 22, 2019 at 12:30 pm

    Anyone that risked their life to fight in a war on behalf of complete strangers should be thanked, not spat on.

    So true.

  30. Mitch M.

    Stimpson J. Cat
    #3190804, posted on October 22, 2019 at 1:00 pm
    Antipsychotics work for psychosis.

    Oh no they don’t.
    Not always, and not well enough or consistently enough, if at all.
    Especially when compared to placebos, or simply waiting for the psychosis to subside.

    TD is rare in the second generation APDs but some second gen APDs very much increase the risk of metabolic syndrome and subsequent type 2 diabetes.

    No it’s not rare.
    They just don’t like doing studies longer than three years.

    Isn’t it intriguing the rates of Parkinson’s and dementia and Alzheimer’s we seem to be having?

    It’s fascinating isn’t it?

    Granted they don’t work all the time.

    Thanks for the tip re TD, I might brush up on that because I thought Second Gens were relatively safe in that regard.

    Increase in PD and Alz? Many psychoactive drugs inhibit acetylcholine. Ach has very important neuroprotective qualities, probably because the brain’s immune cells have receptors for ACH and it tends to prevent them moving into an inflammatory state. IF those drugs inhibit ACH by elevating the enzyme that breaks down ACH(ACHe) that is very concerning because ACHe is a known driver of protein aggregation(amyloidosis). The data has now become sufficiently substantial that recently an editorial in the Journal of the American Medical Association called for a comprehensive randomised controlled trial to see if that risk is real. As one researcher stated in a press release: I will not take those drugs. There is also a question mark over chronic anti-histamine drugs.

    One of the most commonly prescribed antidepressants in the elderly is mirtazapine. It is both a potent antihistamine and anticholinergic drug. Fascinating isn’t it.

    An interesting side note to this is that smokers have some protection against PD. That might be a result of nicotine because the brain immune cells express the nicotinic acetylcholine receptor which inhibits those cells shifting into an inflammatory state. A recent animal study claimed that by removing those immune cells protein aggregation was very much inhibited! That’s not a viable strategy but is instructive although I want to see follow up because it is very counter intuitive. A confusing result from many studies it that high milk consumption, in excess of 600 ml per day, seems to increase the risk of PD but only in men and smokers are protected from that risk.

    But I’m more interested in when Turkey is going to use water as a weapon of mass dehydration.

  31. EvilElvis

    Qualifications mean nothing when it comes to treating mental illness.
    What matters is experience and results.
    And results are best achieved through a combination of diet, sleep, exercise, meaningful work or a job, socialization, meditation and breathing exercises, and CBT or any similar style of self analysis.

    I feel like you’ve just walked into a current conversation I’m having with a staff member. How about having to pay for the services of councillor’s or psychs without tax payer help to. That might sharpen the focus of the current anxiety riddled generation. Fuck me, you’re not supposed to be happy every waking moment.

  32. Mother Lode

    *slow hand clap*

    *remembers*

    *slow jazz hands*

    Careful – they will come after you for a typo.

    It isn’t jazz on their hands.

  33. Mater

    Stepped on the mine, moved forward, mine jumped up to chest height behind him, killed him and 2 other soldiers, wounded another.

    And perhaps PTE Dickson stood on it, it jumped up and detonated near his arse, killed him and PTE Larsson (who was just ahead of him) and mortally wounded PTE Navarre.
    I don’t know, but the important thing is, neither were you or Bob. The blokes from 9 Platoon were…and they said Larsson didn’t trigger it. Stop making shit up!

  34. Stimpson J. Cat

    I feel like you’ve just walked into a current conversation I’m having with a staff member. How about having to pay for the services of councillor’s or psychs without tax payer help to. That might sharpen the focus of the current anxiety riddled generation. Fuck me, you’re not supposed to be happy every waking moment.

    Dr Stimpy is happy to consult free of charge to Catallaxy posters.

    Talk to me EvilElvis.
    How can I help?
    😁

  35. rugbyskier

    The election in Canada is coming down to the wire. A minority government is likely but could be either Liberal or Conservative at this stage. The Liberals are leading in 138 seats to the Tories 103 but polls have only just closed in the West, where the Liberals are likely to pick up only a few seats. The Conservatives will pick up a few seats in Atlantic Canada and rural Quebec, in addition to a few in the ‘905’ (the outer burbs of Toronto). Central Toronto unsurprisingly staying solidly Liberal.

  36. Stimpson J. Cat

    An interesting side note to this is that smokers have some protection against PD. That might be a result of nicotine because the brain immune cells express the nicotinic acetylcholine receptor which inhibits those cells shifting into an inflammatory state. A recent animal study claimed that by removing those immune cells protein aggregation was very much inhibited!

    You’ll love this one Mitch.

  37. Mother Lode

    I wonder what Trudeua will dress up as if he loses?

    Perhaps King Priam – the guy who came second in the Trojan War.

  38. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    It’s a coin toss: Canada TV calls victory for Justin Trudeau

    Cameron Stewart
    Washington Correspondent
    in ottawa
    @camstewarttheoz
    2 minutes ago October 22, 2019
    2 Comments

    The Canadian Broadcasting Commission has called victory for Justin Trudeau’s Liberal party in Canada’s election.

    It remains to be seen if it will be a majority government or a minority government.

    In the race so far CBC says Liberals have already won 131 seats, with 99 seats for the opposition Conservative party with 67 seats still to be decided.

    The Quebec Separatist party, Bloc Quebecois is having a strong night with 27 seats followed by the left wing NDP with 19 seats and one seat for the Greens.

    With many results still to come from British Columbia in the west, it is unclear whether the Liberals will win enough to maintain a majority government.

    Breaking, from the Oz.

  39. 2dogs:

    Absolutely. Could be done by saying regions with nuclear plants get cheap power.
    A rural/regional area would welcome the influx of new businesses such a scheme would provide.

    Will it clash with the rewilding program, so beloved by our betters?
    There’s your answer.

  40. C.L.

    ALP SHOULD HAVE LEFT ALBANESE ON THE SHELF
    TROY BRAMSTON

    The absurd parliamentary motion seeking to declare a “climate emergency” is symptomatic of Albanese’s leadership. While climate change is a serious challenge for Australia and the world, and must be addressed

    No it isn’t, Troy. And no it mustn’t.

    What is Labor’s policy to reduce carbon emissions? It doesn’t have one.

    Good.

  41. max

    With the Americans gone they can unleash a degree of savagery the Americans would never countenance

    Yes, more “Good riddance” than “You betrayed us.”

  42. cohenite

    Mother Lode

    #3190812, posted on October 22, 2019 at 1:06 pm

    Delcon, it was only an alliance of convenience. Like the Soviets in WW2. Like so many others. Ongoing alliances like NATO have a very different anatomy.

    The US and the Kurds achieved their shared objective.

    Correct. Trump is the smartest POTUS ever in respect of the ME shitholes. The left are only making martyrs out of the kurds to get at Trump. Trump knows the US’s and indeed the West’s predilection to trying to pick winners in the ME was a mug’s game. Instead he protects the US’s interests – knocking out the caliphate which was the worst incarnation of RoP so far – and then letting them sort it out themselves with some hands off guidance and non-involvement of US troops. It’s a unique approach which is why the left and other dickheads are going at him.

  43. Mark from Melbourne

    New Fred –>

  44. cohenite

    No it isn’t, Troy. And no it mustn’t.

    Bramston, with reece are Skye’s resident fuckwits.

  45. Mitch M.

    Stimps,

    It has been speculated that schizophrenia is a disease of accelerated aging

    Too simplistic but reminds me of Krapelin’s initial description of schizophrenia: dementia praecox

  46. Johanna:

    Why does the msm keep reviving that zombie, John Hewson? He was leader of the Liberal Party for five minutes decades ago, and got soundly thrashed in his only election. He has done nothing of note since.

    Because he’s a Progressive?

  47. cohenite

    Lindsey Graham changes his stance on removing US troops from Syria

    Graham is a very good man but like the rest, always a few steps behind the great Trump.

  48. EvilElvis

    How can I help?

    I don’t need help. I just need someone to listen. And to understand.

    …Places hand on Dr Stimpys leg…

    Can you be that person?…

  49. EvilElvis

    ‘His hand pulsated at the feeling of the regrowth bristle on Dr Stimpys thigh. That, the bald head and the concept of a semi-professional psychiatrist wearing daisy dukes seemed so wrong that this moment was almost right…’

  50. DavidH

    From a link in another Catallaxy topic, I went to Jonova and came across a mention of a petition to withdraw Australia from the Paris agreement. Others here may be interested (linking to the Jonova comment which has the petition link).

    http://joannenova.com.au/2019/10/watching-the-canadian-election-and-the-silent-poll-factor/#comment-2208816

  51. The Barking Toad

    ALP SHOULD HAVE LEFT ALBANESE ON THE SHELF

    Albo – meet Peter – the princible

  52. bespoke

    I gave The Poor Me stuff a pass but the rest of Delcon’s opinion’s read like text book responses.

  53. Mater:

    The teaching is to finish the fight through, then attend the wounded. They emphasise self-aid for this reason.

    Correct.
    The wounded must fend for themselves until the infantry can come back to assist. Those wounded badly enough to be unable to continue the attack either give supporting fire, or attend to more seriously wounded. The unit medic will help with immediate stuff – stopping torrential bleeding, positioning to keep an intact airway, simple stuff. If you’re lucky, a sucking chest wound will get an occlusive bandage, but chest drains, femoral lacerations etc wait until a lull.
    Too many areas of doubt and uncertainty to be rigidly defined, but the mission comes first.

  54. bespoke

    Stimpson J. Cat
    #3190814, posted on October 22, 2019 at 1:07 pm
    to treating mental illness.
    What matters is experience and results.
    And results are best achieved through a combination of diet, sleep, exercise, meaningful work or a job, socialization, meditation and breathing exercises, and CBT or any similar style of self analysis.

    👍

  55. Knuckle Dragger:

    I do, however, have a monumental problem with the Feds and their giant plastic nametags (hence their alleged nickname, which they hate – the ‘plastics’) kicking in doors to conceal ministerial and policy incompetence.

    I had cause to larf about this particular item of identification a few years back, and made the observation that it was perhaps a “My dick is bigger than yours” progression.
    Perhaps they were going to end up as an A4 size. If they were to get to the A0 size, two loops could be inserted for an arm to hold the ID, and perhaps the Coat of Arms displayed prominently.

  56. TE:

    Has no-one heard of anti-throw stuff on bike chains?

    I remember soaking the chain in a grease bath, then they brought out rubber insert sealed rollers and got rid of that little ritual.

  57. Carbon Emitter

    Knuckle Dragger:

    I do, however, have a monumental problem with the Feds and their giant plastic nametags (hence their alleged nickname, which they hate – the ‘plastics’) kicking in doors to conceal ministerial and policy incompetence.

    The term ‘plastics’ originated when the ACT Police were amalgamated with the Commonwealth Police Force in 1979 to form the Australian Federal Police. The ACT Police were considered the real police while the Commonwealth Police were considered ‘plastics’.

  58. jupes

    Shame to waste good potatoes on the US SF troops. Every single US troop leaving the Kurds to their fate under Erdogan’s murderous militias should be rightly spat on, in lieu of preferable alternatives, such as spitting on the face of their foolish CiC.

    Soldiers do as they’re told Delcon you fucking turd.

  59. Not Uh oh

    Never first so let’s try for LAST!

  60. bespoke

    Never first so let’s try for LAST!

    Go for it.

  61. Shy Ted

    Having spent my life disappointing people, Mum, Dad, teachers, wife and so on, I’m going to disappoint you Not Uh Oh.

  62. rickw

    October 21, 2019 8:00pm

    The now inevitable closure of Australia’s remaining aluminium smelters is not only a disaster for the economy, but an even bigger disaster for our national power grid and any hope of delivering cheaper and reliable electricity to both businesses and consumers.

    Indeed, the closing of the smelters is the biggest “own goal” that those pushing more and more renewable energy could ever conceivably “achieve”.

    As the CEO of the Tomago smelter in NSW, Matt Howell, pointed out last week, a smelter acted like a “big battery” to stabilise the network.

    It is able to free up a lot, a lot, of power, at reasonably short notice and for an extended period like no Snowy hydro or Tesla “battery” could ever do.

    Indeed, I would go further: a smelter and far better, a string of smelters would be the smartest, cheapest and most effective way to stabilise the grid.

    De-industrialisation continues apace.

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