Recycling bins

Back in the early 2000s the great Penn and Teller had a series called Penn and Teller: Bullshit. One episode was about recycling bins – how many bins could be pushed out to residents before they would object. I think they got to about 12 – there is a short clip here.

We all laughed back then – how could anyone be so silly as to think that lots of bins would be worthwhile. Yet here in 2019 the Victorian Government (through Infrastructure Victoria – aren’t they supposed to be building major infrastructure not worrying about recycling bins) wants to have six bins – see here.

Have we yet reached peak stupidity?

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60 Responses to Recycling bins

  1. pbw

    Have we yet reached peak stupidity?

    You only have to ask the question to know the answer.

  2. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Have we yet reached peak stupidity?

    we left peak stupidity behind and barreling headlong towards peak insanity

  3. Infidel Tiger

    Put whatever you want in any bin you want. That’s my method.

  4. egg_

    the Victorian Government wants to have six bins

    One for dogsh1t?

  5. Ian of Perth

    Have we yet reached peak stupidity?
    Nah, I’ve every confidence they can ‘improve’…

  6. Andysaurus

    Rod Liddle in the Spectator calls it Peak Wank

  7. Gerry

    No…we haven’t reached peak stupidity yet …I think this Andrews mob have a couple of years to go yet.

  8. ROBERT SYKES

    Commercial companies that are in the recycling business decided long ago that a single bin with all recyclables mixed together is best. The reason is that college educated, middle class people cannot reliably sort recyclables by type. Plastic gets mixed in with glass, most bins contain garbage, etc. The result being that all recyclables have to be hand-sorted at the company. This done by minimum wage people standing alongside conveyor belts. Stupid people, if they actually show up for work, are better at this than Ph. D.’s.

    Poor people, especially blacks and Hispanics, and rich people don’t recycle.

    In winter, if you have one, it is desirable to mix paper in with everything else. That is because the bin get iced, and the recyclable are frozen to each other and the bin itself. In bad cases, you can’t get the recyclables out of the bin. The paper absorbs water and breaks up the ice bonding, so stuff can be removed from the bin.

    If you are really interested, read William Rathje and Cullen Murphy, “Rubbish!: The Archaeology of Garbage, What Our Garbage Tells Us About Ourselves,” HarperCollins Publishers, New York, 1992. This is by far the most informative and most entertaining book on the subject. Rathje actually excavated several landfills using modern archaeological techniques, and he found alls sorts of interesting items, like store-wrapped steaks thrown out during the beef shortage a few decades ago.

  9. Fair shake of the sauce

    Love the last line by Penn? ‘Give these people a [email protected] medal or something! ‘

    Where’s our medals or something?

  10. Exit Stage Right

    “Wales has become one of the top recycling countries in the world”, he said.
    Well I never. Things must have improved dramatically in the last few years.
    Spent 3 months a while back travelling up and down Taff Vale (up the valley from Cardiff) in South Wales. The rubbish on the side of the road was astronomical. So bad it has burnt a lasting image in my brain.
    Looked like it had been backing up for years. Very unattractive. No evidence whatsoever that the local council did anything about roadside rubbish back then. Never saw any civilians taking any positive action either.
    Hard to believe that Wales is now a world leader in recycling. (The council quoted in the article is the Isle of Anglesey Council in North Wales, the other end of the country, never went there so maybe commitment to recycling varies).

  11. Rockdoctor

    Already an illegal dumping problem in most council areas where exorbitant tip prices are in place. This will certainly add to it…

  12. Bruce of Newcastle

    The green progressive religion is forcing more and more of its rituals upon the ordinary people. Now we must line up all our holy bins, and pay tithes to the druids of the council for them to collect and process them in a religiously sanctioned manner to propitiate Gaia.

  13. Entropy

    Do hey ever actually do something different for the rubbish in each of these bins? Or is it just put in separate landfill?

  14. miltonf

    Wales eh? The place where you could once do a degree in surfing.

  15. I believe the Brits have had this insanity for some time.

  16. John Constantine

    Like ‘wax on, wax off’ for the karate kid, making the proles do cleaning and sorting rubbish is just to establish compliance with mindlessness as routine.

    Breaking the will of the proles to resist is all part bog the revolution.

  17. Suburban Boy

    Put whatever you want in any bin you want. That’s my method.

    +1

  18. Twostix

    That’s humiliating for victorians.

    Because that’s what this is about. Humiliation and little shows of power.

    They’ll have you eating insects soon. And you will.

  19. I say dump it all in the ocean.
    Sea critters love trash from the land inhabitants.
    Just like trees love the “pollution” that comes out of a car exhaust (notice how healthy trees along roadsides are? Ever wonder why trees along bumper to bumper traffic roads are not dead?)

    All those car wrecks and tyres should be dumped near the coast to create reefs.
    SUPPORT OUR SEA LIFE. DUMP IT ALL IN THE OCEAN.
    Problem solvered.

  20. I would also say this is yet more ‘Greens getting together with unions’ thing happening here.
    We need 4 more trucks and drivers to remove our rubbish. Unions are loving it.

    NEXT: All new buildings to have dual toilets. One for vegans and one for meat eaters. Vegan sh!t to be used for composting.

  21. Al

    …and how many people will have 6 bins inside the house, or will everything still go into one kitchen tidy?

  22. Ian of Brisbane

    Here in England councils are so virtuous about recycling they have made it so hard to “correctly “ dispose of anything that people just toss their rubbish in the street, on the side of the road, anywhere. Its disgusting, and not uncommon to see rats feeding in it.

    As for peak stupidity, I am sure the Victorian government still has a long way to go.

  23. sfw

    On the radio this morning heard a spokeswoman for whichever agency is advocating this. She stated that it’s much cheaper and easier for sorting of waste to be done in the home. Of course it is, placing the the cost on others for regulations that you have instituted is a wonderful thing, for the agency. They can say to their Green Overlords, “Look what we have caused to be done”. They will then have another achievement for their resume and millions of people will be forced to do wasted work, for no good reason.

  24. Atoms for Peace

    More the point, what level of public non compliance will make a load of recyclables rubbish ?

  25. Twostix

    She stated that it’s much cheaper and easier for sorting of waste to be done in the home

    In 100 years they’ll talk about how 100 years ago people had to do things like paw through their rubbish for no reason.

  26. Why don’t they just copy California? From what I’ve seen on YouTube, it’s a Greens nirvana.

  27. duncanm

    To paraphrase a very smart person, the universe may be finite, but stupidity is boundless.

  28. duncanm

    It’s so good in Wales, residents are now using their own incinerators.
    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-45616328

  29. Percy Popinjay

    I can recall reading a piece in the UK daily mail several years ago showing a couple who lived in Yorkshire and the eight or so bins they were forced to make use of for the council rubbish collection.

    Remember thinking at the time, how long until we’re forced to engage in such infuriating stupidity here?

    Not that long, evidently – and of course implemented by the most moronic pack of totalitarian numbskulls in the country and their glorious leader, Dunderhead Dan, the CFMMEU Caliphate man.

  30. PB

    And there it is in the link: the insufferable woman with trouble glasses telling us all what needs to be done.

  31. Truth n Justice

    I fill up the normal bin first, the recycle bin next, then I utilise the council bins and if really pressed simply dump what’s left. I pay good money to the council to get rid of my rubbish and have zero interest in getting involved personally.

  32. JB of Sydney/Shanghai

    What about middens?

    The ABC and similar types always get excited over ancient Aboriginal middens, so how about we lay down lots of “Modern Middens” to be excavated with pants moistening joy by archeologists of the future?
    We have plenty of space, like about 90% of Australia is desert.

  33. Robber Baron

    Lefties love pushing us around.

    Time to protest.

    I’m gluing my recycled bin lids shut so I have to put everything in the normal bin.

  34. Des Deskperson

    A few years back, I rented an apartment in the centre of Rome. The apartment – like all the others in the complex – had four or maybe five separate garbage bins, one for general waste, one for green waste, one for paper and one – or two – for glass and metal. When this bins were full, the bags had to be carefully placed in the corresponding receptacles for those products in the courtyard.

    I dont know wither this practice was city wide or whether it was confined to certain areas.

    Anyway, in the courtyard there were no special receptacles or no other indication of that the waste products were to be recycled: just one huge pile of undifferentiated garbage bags awaiting removal. .

  35. stevem

    Of course it would help. Victoria has hundreds of tonnes of plastic carefully collected with no way of disposing of it. Those stockpiles could be immediately used by turning them into recycling bins!
    When the stockpile gets too big again, more bins!

  36. John Michelmore

    I wish these idiots had a cost effectiveness department, they might then understand why Sweden has a big incinerator that also generates electricity!
    Oh bugger, I forgot our time sorting rubbish is free; how long before we have to deliver our sorted rubbish to the recyclers?

  37. Stimpson J. Cat

    Yet here in 2019 the Victorian Government (through Infrastructure Victoria – aren’t they supposed to be building major infrastructure not worrying about recycling bins) wants to have six bins – see here.
    Have we yet reached peak stupidity?

    No Lucy, your problem is that you are a small minded Muppet with no vision.
    Five of those Six Bins could be used for housing for the Mentally Ill, the Poor, and the Homeless.

    As usual I am the only one on this site capable of thinking outside the box.

  38. Roger

    Put whatever you want in any bin you want. That’s my method.

    +1

    Would you believe that gargabe trucks have cameras recording the waste that comes out of your bin (& some bins are even micro-chipped)?

    The fine in most council areas is c. $200, although you’ll get a warning letter the first time.

  39. Bruce of Newcastle

    I can recall reading a piece in the UK daily mail several years ago showing a couple who lived in Yorkshire and the eight or so bins they were forced to make use of for the council rubbish collection.

    I think this one is the record holder:

    The town where they have to put out NINE recycling boxes, bags and bins (2011)

    In Newcastle-under-Lyme in Staffordshire, the bin champion of Britain, each home has to organise its rubbish into nine boxes, bags and bins.

    Any advance on nine?

  40. Tim Neilson

    Put whatever you want in any bin you want. That’s my method.

    I kid you not, but in Yarragrad the garbos look inside the bin and if there’s a misplaced carrot grating they don’t empty the bin and slap a notice on the bin informing you that you haven’t done your chores properly.

    As far as I’m aware they don’t try to look inside kitchen tidy bags so “when in doubt, landfill” still seems to work.

  41. Zatara

    I vote for diversity.

    All in one bin.

  42. Diogenes

    I put my recycling out for the first time in 12 months last night as we had two very large , ie lounge size, cartons to dispose of. The green bin only goes out when I do a massive prune and it is stuffed full so that lowlifes cannot fill them with stuff that causes a visit from council inspector (it has happened) .

    As empty nesters we don’t produce much rubbish and everything goes into general waste (except recyclable bottles – buggered if I give the state govt 10c for nothing).

  43. mem

    Has anyone calculated the cost of replacing all the current bins, replacing or retrofitting the garbage tucks mostly owned by contractors that are designed to pick up the current bins, disposing of the current bins, , etc. And don’t forget the so called carbon pollution that will emanate from the manufacture and delivery of new bins. and recycling of old bins.

  44. Bruce of Newcastle

    And don’t forget the so called carbon pollution that will emanate from the manufacture and delivery of new bins. and recycling of old bins.

    Two bins per week here, which means the garbage trucks go around my whole area twice, once early in the morning and then around midday. So almost twice as much diesel gets burned than if there was only one bin.

    Six bins would require 6 separate collection trucks so they’re not cross contaminating. Three bins per week say would use triple as much carbon spewing diesel as a single bin.

    Then there’s the fun associated with buying electric garbage trucks, and charging them for long periods.

    The more you look at it the more Gaia friendly a single bin and a big hole in the ground seems, even if you think thermageddon is next week.

  45. Roger W

    Well, you are talking about Victoria!

  46. Up The Workers!

    Victorians only need two bins.

    One for our garbage Labor(sic) politicians, and one for the Brown Movement garbage.

    They should both be recycled to the arse-end of the dole queue.

  47. Percy Popinjay

    Thanks Bruce, that was the DM piece I was thinking of.

  48. Rohan

    Rockdoctor
    #3189562, posted on October 21, 2019 at 6:00 am
    Already an illegal dumping problem in most council areas where exorbitant tip prices are in place. This will certainly add to it…

    Nearly a half of these costs are EPA levies. And they go up every single year.

  49. John A

    Roger W #3189781, posted on October 21, 2019 at 12:04 pm

    Well, you are talking about Victoria!

    Yes, and while Mad Dan Eccles is in thet Premier’s chair, we ask the rest of the nation to have pity on us, pray for our salvation from another round of his Pardee’s policies and to have God send us a revival of common sense.

    Meanwhile, we will pray for rain in the drought-stricken areas of the real part of this once-wonderful country.

  50. The Barking Toad

    Put whatever you want in any bin you want. That’s my method.

    Me too. Started that once they banned shops giving you plastic bags to put your groceries in. All goes into the rubbish bin – once thats full then into the next bin.

  51. I kid you not, but in Yarragrad the garbos look inside the bin and if there’s a misplaced carrot grating they don’t empty the bin and slap a notice on the bin informing you that you haven’t done your chores properly.

    The traditional Christmas present to garbos, of a carton of tallies (of heavy, natch) placed beside the bin, works wonders for commonsense being applied to these matters for the next 364 days.
    Just so long as you don’t have a lend of them, they’ll turn out to be pretty decent all of a sudden.

    If they don’t, an indirect reference to the Hilton’s bins & what they contained on the 13th February 1978 tends to ruin a garbos whole month.

  52. Bruce of Newcastle

    All goes into the rubbish bin – once thats full then into the next bin.

    Our local government bin nazis go around at 5 am checking on the contents of recycling bins. Three guys in an official ute with proud green writing on it. They attach a big orange label if you’ve sinned against Gaia, and the bin guys won’t collect your bins.

  53. Our local government bin nazis go around at 5 am checking on the contents of recycling bins.

    This calls for a “next-level” Jack-in-the-Box, inside the bin.

  54. Lutz

    Peak S hasn’t been reached in England as yet, they only have 4 bins so far in most paces. You are also fined heavily if you put them out too early or if they are too full’

  55. duncanm

    I kid you not, but in Yarragrad the garbos look inside the bin and if there’s a misplaced carrot grating they don’t empty the bin and slap a notice on the bin informing you that you haven’t done your chores properly.

    wasn’t me officer. Someone must have thrown the wrong trash in there after I put my bins out.

    Prove otherwise.

    btw – I don’t buy the ‘can’t recycle when things are mixed’ line. There are established industrial processes for separating plastics, paper, glass, metals, etc.

  56. Twostix:

    Because that’s what this is about. Humiliation and little shows of power.

    Exactly right. This is the end aim of the Dictatorship of the Bureaucracy – to have the power to force people to believe that 2+2=5.

  57. Atoms For Peace:

    More the point, what level of public non compliance will make a load of recyclables rubbish ?

    Do you mean sabotaging the system?
    Well, that would be bad – mainly because it’s illegal.
    And that would be very bad if you were caught.
    Curiously enough, if waste was dumped into a big pile and allowed to dry, then put in a high temperature incineration system, then what sort of volume would it occupy, after magnetically sorting out the iron stuff?

  58. Bruce

    Separating the iron stuff is really simple. Aluminium is non-magnetic but worth a LOT more per Kg than scrapped baked-beans tins.

    As for plastics, any automated machinery that can tell the differences between Polyethylene, ABS, PVC, Polystyrene, etc., would be seriously expensive.

    A lot of this stuff is manually sorted by otherwise unskilled, often “disadvantaged” labour, at minimal rates.

    It’s like the argument about glass / plastic drink bottles. Energy, water and labour hours to wash, inspect and re-use the glass ones, versus “recycling” the raw materials only. I am old enough to remember when all soft-drink bottles were returnable / re-usable and worth CASH ( 5 or ten cents EACH at the corner shop).

    Then, with MUCH fanfare, we got one-way, no-deposit, one-way, no-return bottles, complete with the little jingle that contained those very terms. Fast-forward a decade or so and we were presented with “disposable” PET bottles, and here we are.

    Interestingly, in roughly the same time-frame, we went from steel drink cans to all-aluminium cans.

    Anyone got the ïnside running on this latest “money-go-round”” with the recycling of PET bottles and aluminium cans?

  59. Paridell

    Yesterday I was in my front yard when a young man came I didn’t know came along the street. In his left hand he had a bunch of plastic bags. With his right hand, he lifted the lids of all the recycling bins and took out all the bottles and cans he could carry. I watched as he crisscrossed the road all the way up the street, removing the bottles and cans the residents had put out. No doubt he was planning to take his haul to the NSW EPA’s nearest Return and Earn centre and spend an hour or so putting them through the machine one by one.

    The Return and Earn website does say “everyone has a role to play”. His role appears to be diverting bottles and cans from one recycling stream to another, at taxpayers’ expense!

    That’s putting the ‘recyle’ into recycling and no mistake.

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