Tuesday Forum: October 22, 2019

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  1. Woolfe

    This needs to stay up here, tweet from DoomLord:
    First they came for the free speech activists and the journos remained quiet. Then they came for the journos and the free speech activists laughed and laughed.

  2. Stimpson J. Cat

    God help me, I was only 19.

  3. Roger

    God help me, I was only 19.

    Just for one thread can we avoid Vietnam?

    There were other wars, you know.

    We could even revisit the bombing of Dresden.

  4. Cardimona

    Nice new thread you got here.

  5. Cardimona

    Dammit – already the V-word…

  6. Top Ender

    God help me, I was only 19.

    Don’t start that.

    Did a show with John Schumann once. He was the travelling muso on the Ghan, and I was the historian doing WWII lectures.

    He made a derogatory reference to our troops in the ME at the time, and I bit back. Was on no speaking terms for the rest of the time.

  7. Andreas

    WON’T SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE KURDS.

  8. Stimpson J. Cat

    Ann Coulter
    @AnnCoulter
    Canadian Rachel McKinnon is the fastest man in women’s cycling history, eh? You go, guy!
    4:17 AM · Oct 22, 2019

  9. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    We could even revisit the bombing of Dresden.

    Custer at the Alamo?

  10. Stimpson J. Cat

    Dammit – already the V-word…

    Now you all know how I feel.
    Share my feelings.
    Share them!!!!

  11. Mother Lode

    Reporting for duty.

  12. Roger

    Doubting Darwin.

    Seems even punctuated equilibrium – “punk eek” to the irreverent – can’t save the theory. Life is just too rich and complex for the clumsy mechanisms of random mutation and natural selection to account for it.

  13. C.L.

    This idiot and his wife are really starting to bug me …

    Prince Harry says he won’t be ‘bullied into playing the game that killed Princess Diana’ in new documentary.

    It wasn’t a game that killed Diana. It was a cement pylon struck by a pissed chauffeur.

  14. Roger

    Custer at the Alamo?

    Anything, anything…

    Btw, the definitive study is here. 😉

  15. P

    If Princess Pushy feels like she is being got at by Britain’s tabloid media — traditionally the Royal Family’s staunchest supporters — all she has to do is stop behaving like a Hollywood snowflake and start behaving like an actual British royal.

    Delingpole: ‘Princess Pushy go Home’ – Britain Tires of Meghan Markle

  16. Mitch M.

    Seems even punctuated equilibrium – “punk eek” to the irreverent – can’t save the theory. Life is just too rich and complex for the clumsy mechanisms of random mutation and natural selection to account for it.

    It doesn’t work via random mutation and natural selection alone. Read, “Arrival of the Fittest” by Andreas Wagner.

    Using experimental and computational technologies that were heretofore unimagined, he has found that adaptations are not just driven by chance, but by a set of laws that allow nature to discover new molecules and mechanisms in a fraction of the time that random variation would take.

  17. C.L.

    Look, there is some truth to Harry’s “game” thesis regarding his wife.
    They sold papers with her rise to royalty, the wedding, the dysfunctional family etc.
    Now they want to sell papers by bringing her down. They really are scum.

  18. Roger

    Thanks, Mitch.

    It’s always interesting when scientists feel it necessary to personify nature with God-like attributes.

    😉

  19. Some History

    Shameless [ab]use of The Children™ – this time anti-alcohol.

    The use of children in the sockpuppet state

    https://velvetgloveironfist.blogspot.com/2019/10/children-and-sockpuppet-state.html

  20. Helen

    I dunno re Priceless Meghan. I reckon she doesnt like playing second fiddle to Kate.

    One day Prince Charming will wake up as opposed to being woke and they can all live happily ever after.

  21. God help me, I was only 19.
    Dammit – already the V-word…

    The V-word. I had encountered many many V****** by the time I was 19.

    Nice new thread you got here.

    Be a shame if if somebody was to spoil it.

  22. The Barking Toad

    Exciting news from the exciting sheila draft…

    Earlier, former Magpie and Kangaroo Mo Hope sensationally withdrew her draft nomination on the eve of the event.

    She said she plans to have a year off from AFL Women’s and wants to have a baby with new wife Isabella Sofia Carlstrom, with a focus on becoming “right mentally and physically to pull on the boots in VFLW 2020”.

    “It is with a heavy heart that I’ve come to a decision about my participation in this year’s AFLW season,” she wrote on Instagram.

    Poor kid. How can a sheila have a wife?

  23. Knuckle Dragger

    Apropos of absolutely nothing:

    In 1640, Turkish forces of 40,000 recruited Kurds attacked Yazidi settlements around Mt Sinjar. 3000 Yazidis were slain and settlements burnt to the ground. 2000 Yazidis were found hiding in nearby caves, where they were killed with cannon and grenades.

    15 years later a Kurdish private army rebelled against the Ottomans. Facing defeat, the Kurdies tried to assassinate Turkish leaders. Predictably in response, 300 Kurdish holdouts at the Siege of Bidlis were killed, with 70 cut into small pieces.

    Source: Contemporary historian Evilya Celebi

    They sound like reliable, honorable people.

    Totally not dudes who’d sell you out for the nearest goat if it suited them.

  24. Bruce of Newcastle

    Quid pro quo news.

    Elizabeth Warren warns she may cut off US aid to Israel if elected

    Speaking with reporters in Iowa, the 2020 Democratic presidential candidate stated that if she becomes president, cutting off U.S. aid to Israel is a very real possibility if Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu does not stop building settlements in the West Bank.

    It’s never too early to start impeachment investigations Mr Schiff.

  25. Mark from Melbourne

    She said she plans to have a year off from AFL Women’s and wants to have a baby with new wife Isabella Sofia Carlstrom, with a focus on becoming “right mentally and physically to pull on the boots in VFLW 2020”.

    “It is with a heavy heart that I’ve come to a decision about my participation in this year’s AFLW season,” she wrote on Instagram.

    Translation… she was attracting no interest from any of the clubs, which when you consider the standard is a pretty darn low bar.

  26. Some History

    The Torminaytah is full-on “climate emergency”. From a few days ago –

    “Dear issnot Republican ear or Democrat ear. We all breathe the same ear. We want clean ear”.

    Here he is slobbering over Greta™… again:

    Arnold Schwarzenegger praises climate activist Greta Thunberg: ‘I think politicians are listening’

    https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/arnold-schwarzenegger-greta-thunberg-climate-change-terminator-dark-fate-interview-a9164331.html

  27. Stimpson J. Cat

    Poor kid. How can a sheila have a wife?

    Don’t be racist.
    Sarah Hanson-Young turned out all right,
    and she was raised by two Queens.
    I’m sure it will be fine.

  28. Knuckle Dragger

    Top Ender is correct. Schumann is a flog.

    It’s a constant source of personal amusement that what was conceived and delivered as an anti-war moaning exercise unintentionally became one of the greatest drunken pub jukebox anthems of two generations, second only to another misguided V song, Khe Sanh.

  29. Knuckle Dragger

    Moana Somebody, part time football enthusiast and full-time attention-seeker:

    ‘It is with heavy heart…something……decision’

    That’s not what she said two days ago.

  30. The Barking Toad

    SSarah Hanson-Young turned out all right,

    Sea Patrol.

    Benny Wong has a missus too I think.

    Who bags the strap-on first?

  31. Infidel Tiger

    Holy Sh$t.
    Infidel Tiger get in here and explain this please.
    What the f$ck are your helicopter boys 🚁doing?

    Looks good, but apparently it’s tear gas treatment.

  32. thefrollickingmole

    Lets leave ‘Nam in the box today and focus on happy health messages instead
    (pinched from instapundit)
    https://arstechnica.com/science/2019/10/mans-scrotum-ballooned-hung-to-his-knees-and-began-to-rot-doctors-report/
    Man has massive, rotting scrotum removed after avoiding doctors for decades
    Doctors believe he had an untreated parasitic infection
    CT imaging illustrating impressive scrotal edema and massive inguinal hernia.

    Scrotal hernias, real issue or fake news scam??

    Pics and docs report here…
    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2214442019302694#fig1

    Computed tomography (CT) scan of the abdomen and pelvis revealed a massive left inguinal hernia containing non-inflamed colon and its associated mesentery, a large subcutaneous abscess with gas measuring up to 12.8 cm with draining tract to the skin at the anterior inferior aspect of the scrotum. Massive hydrocele was noted in the left hemiscrotum, extensive scrotal wall thickening, soft tissue ulceration at the left posterior aspect of the scrotum, severe left hydronephrosis and hydroureter secondary to the extension of the left ureter into the herniation, and extensive bilateral inguinal adenopathy

  33. Black Ball

    Ahahahahah Moana Hope. Time to become a bush mercenary. Could be phrasing there, but you get the drift.

  34. C.L.

    Arnold Schwarzenegger praises climate activist Greta Thunberg: ‘I think politicians are listening’

    FMD, Arnie. You’re forgiven for that tryst with the maid. Enough already.

  35. The Barking Toad

    focus on happy health messages instead

    Sad Sack

  36. calli

    I did wonder about this story a couple of days ago.

    The MDBA needs a hiding. And then destruction. They are a disgrace.

  37. Johno

    Thank you for that ‘mole. Uplifting,extremely uplifting, .

  38. calli

    The man with the teeny tiny “carbon footprint” gets behind Greta, eh? What a stooge.

  39. Rafe Champion

    Near record low wind this afternoon, down to 0.15GW 1.9% of plated capacity. Under 3% since 10.30 this morning. Just over 0.5% of total supply from all sources.

  40. Tintarella di Luna

    Look, there is some truth to Harry’s “game” thesis regarding his wife.
    They sold papers with her rise to royalty, the wedding, the dysfunctional family etc.
    Now they want to sell papers by bringing her down. They really are scum.

    It would all go away if only Harry and his wife would just be quiet, do their jobs and not comment on all the rubbish that gives the media fuel with which to burn her. It really is up to Harry and his wife. Just be circumspect with what you say and stop wading into the political mire.

  41. The Barking Toad

    Magistrate Reynolds, I dips me lid….

    The sons of a Melbourne barrister have been jailed over the brutal bashing of two AFL fans near the MCG despite their pleas to be free on a community-based order.

    And when brothers Dominic and Sam Walker, the sons of Tim Walker, QC, are released from their 12-month and 6-month sentences respectively, they are banned from attending licensed venues for a year.

    Their mate, Benjamin Fitt, was jailed for four months and will face the same ban from licensed venues upon his release.

    Shocking footage captured the moment the trio mobbed David Raeside, 61, and Len Tricarico, 45, near the Pullman Hotel on Wellington Parade just after midnight on September 7, following the Richmond-Hawthorn qualifying final.

    Mr Raeside was knocked to the ground and as he lay unconscious in the gutter, he copped blow after blow to the head by one of his attackers.

    Magistrate Duncan Reynolds jailed the three men

  42. Some History

    The man with the teeny tiny “carbon footprint” gets behind Greta, eh? What a stooge.

    Arnie uses the OSHKOSH M-ATV and Hummer for landscaping around the yard. The Patton Tank he uses to plant trees.

  43. Nice new thread you got here.

    Not any more.

  44. thefrollickingmole

    Numberwang thinks the upkeep & mothballing & standby response of the CI center costs nothing.
    Numberwang is innumerate as well as monomaniacal.

    Dont be like Numberwang.
    Just dont.

  45. thefrollickingmole

    Is this a big thing?
    Because it seems a lot like a big thing.

    https://twitter.com/ChuckRossDC/status/1186360812572725248

    In effect the NYT has gone from “The deep state is a fever dream of right wing nutbags” to “The deep state is real but they are the good guys”

    https://twitter.com/nytopinion/status/1186331281635852288

    They Are Not the Resistance. They Are Not a Cabal. They Are Public Servants.
    Let us now praise these not-silent heroes.

    I cant access the article, can anyone dump it?

    (from insty)

  46. Carbon Emitter

    Knuckle Dragger:

    I do, however, have a monumental problem with the Feds and their giant plastic nametags (hence their alleged nickname, which they hate – the ‘plastics’) kicking in doors to conceal ministerial and policy incompetence.

    The term ‘plastics’ originated when the ACT Police were amalgamated with the Commonwealth Police Force in 1979 to form the Australian Federal Police. The ACT Police were considered the real police while the Commonwealth Police were considered ‘plastics’.

  47. pete m

    Stimpson, I have heard good things about this game explaining psychosis better than before:

    hellblade

    Have you seen this?

  48. Some History

    Arnie in the “tenk” planting some trees:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVs5kgvA_Ow

    Get your own tenk.

  49. Knuckle Dragger

    Emitter,

    That is indeed the rumour. Added to by (allegedly) every other police force, who consider themselves real police (apparently) while they have better suits and inhabit places like Parliament House and The Hague when they’re not kicking in doors looking for the snitch who leaked land usage policy documents. So, plastics.

    Their name tags are gigantic, though. Furphy Control has it that when you deal with them you have to widen the doorways to get their name tags through. And their largely undeserved egos as well as their lucrative super schemes.

    They hate it when you (allegedly) bring that up, though.

  50. thefrollickingmole

    Stimpson J. Cat

    Have you seen what they have done to Watchmen?

    The villain(s) of the series is a white supremacist group called The Seventh Cavalry who have co-opted the now-dead anti-hero Rorschach’s image on their masks. They’re the ones who are violently targeting police in Tulsa.

    Yup, theyve “Woked” watchmen, all it needs is South African nazis and its descended back to the levels of 1970-80’s bad guys..

  51. Stimpson J. Cat

    Stimpson, I have heard good things about this game explaining psychosis better than before:
    Hellblade
    Have you seen this?

    Why thanks for asking, pete m.
    Yes, yes I have.
    Platinumed it actually.
    😁

    Stimpson J. Cat
    #2463259, posted on August 9, 2017 at 12:29 pm
    In the interests of raising awareness, a little game called Hellblade – Senua’s Sacrifice was released yesterday.
    For anyone who wants to experience the reality of extreme psychosis I recommend playing it in the dark with headphones.
    It really is the most accurate depiction of mental illness I have ever seen.
    Very very good.

  52. 1735099

    Best outcome of the Canadian election is the demise of the People’s Party of Canada.
    And Trudeau’s back but will need the support of the Québécois.
    Not a bad result……

  53. 1735099

    I know exactly how much it cost to reopen CI, as does anyone who reads what the department publishes.
    The problem is not the “what”, but the “why”.
    Please explain.

  54. Infidel Tiger

    Perth LIVE 6PR with Oliver Peterson

    @PerthLive6PR
    Follow Follow @PerthLive6PR

    VEGAN PROTESTERS TARGET PERTH BUTCHER

    Tenderwest Meats is the latest target by Vegan protesters.

    Butcher Mike Fielder has thanked them for the publicity and suggested you can’t go wrong with barbecue lamb this Spring.

    https://twitter.com/PerthLive6PR/status/1186451214478635008

  55. Infidel Tiger

    Good to see Canadia elect a minority black PM.

  56. Stimpson J. Cat

    Have you seen what they have done to Watchmen?

    No.
    And I won’t either.
    People need to get away from this idea that all artistic works need to be converted into a more palatable, and easier to understand and digest medium for public consumption.

    It’s akin to a blind man trying to copy the Mona Lisa with crayon.

    There is simply no need.

  57. cohenite

    Of course the troll would support Trudeau, a political brat only rivalled by the idiot beta O’Rourke. The Canadians of course, who can only be tolerated when either you or them or both are pissed deserve all they get.

  58. Herodotus

    Andrews in Victoria, Trudeau in Canada, Pony Girl in QLD, Weatherdill for years in SA.
    Democrats in the lower house, USA.
    Oh yes, the voters always get it right.
    Except for the many times they don’t.

  59. Delcon

    Wasn’t the Canadian election result a foregone conclusion as history tells us that they never dispose of a PM after one term? (Kinda like has been historically here, which, BTW, makes the assassinations of Rudd and Abbott doubly stupid.)

  60. Johno

    Well Canada looks like they appreciate halfwits. Trudeau is on track for re-election. How could anyone vote for that?
    Or is the opposition so bloody awful,a la victoria ?

  61. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    New Gene-Editing Tool Could Fix Genetic Defects—with Fewer Unwanted Effects
    “Prime editing” can potentially correct almost any type of mutation, but it requires much more testing before clinical use

  62. Infidel Tiger

    Conservatives in Canada are winning the popular vote.

    Russians!

  63. pete m

    Thanks stimps
    I thought you had noted it.
    Dev videos are really good too.
    scary stuff

  64. The Barking Toad

    Fatty Ashton told all and sundry there were no bleck gangs in his state.

    Police have arrested 57 people across Melbourne as part of a major crackdown into youth crime — and they’re not finished yet.

    They all seem to have a certain tinge though.

  65. “Johno
    #3190939, posted on October 22, 2019 at 3:18 pm
    Or is the opposition so bloody awful,a la victoria ?”

    Yes Johno….Andrew Scheer was a carbon copy of Matthew Guy…guaranteed to win elections.

  66. Mother Lode

    Conservatives in Canada are winning the popular vote.

    Russians!

    Yes! They must institute an RC right now, based on a dossier written in crayon called “The Bad Mans Who Secretly Painted Mr Justin’s Face Black”!

  67. Infidel Tiger

    Canadia is a very queer place.

    Awful people. They are like Kiwis in many ways. Not as ugly, but far stupider.

  68. Tintarella di Luna

    Ah I see cold Australia has re-elected the boy Prime Minister again, not having had enough embarrassment in the World Cup they double down. Way to go.

  69. jupes

    Police have arrested 57 people across Melbourne as part of a major crackdown into youth crime — and they’re not finished yet.

    Yawn.

    How many will be out on bail tonight and how many will spend any time in jail? Getting the police to do their jobs is one thing, Getting the socialist judiciary to theirs is another matter.

  70. The Barking Toad

    Foot in mouth academic from January 2018…
    RMIT University criminologist Marietta Martinovic told The New Daily African youths were not a gang or organised crime group as defined by the National Institute of Justice and feared the term would only perpetuate anti-social behaviour.

    “We don’t want this broad brush reference that allows people to call or think of Sudanese people as engaged in gang activity,” Dr Martinovic said.

  71. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘Cold Australia’

    Snork!

  72. DrBeauGan

    Canadia is a very queer place.

    Awful people. They are like Kiwis in many ways. Not as ugly, but far stupider.

    I’m not too sure Aussies are any better in the mass, IT. We did vote in SSM. Present company is a minority group.

  73. Mother Lode

    I remember reading a quip once about Canada.

    From memory it was:

    The Canadians could have had British government, French culture, and American know-how.
    Instead they got French government, American culture, and British know-how.

  74. stackja

    Jacinda Ardern 2012 text attacked Alan Jones
    A tweet from 2012 written by New Zealand PM Jacinda Ardern referred to broadcaster Alan Jones as a “git” and claimed he was “intensely disliked”.

    The Daily Telegraph
    Subscriber only

    October 22, 2019 12:20pm

    A tweet from 2012 written by New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern attacking broadcaster Alan Jones has been unearthed.

    Sky News reported on the tweet, where Ms Ardern referred to Jones as a “git” and claimed he was “intensely disliked”.

    The nature of the criticism has stumped New Zealand’s Deputy Prime Minister Winston Peters who has defended Jones in an exclusive interview with Sky News.

    Ms Ardern would not comment when contacted but Mr Peters said the slur was out of character.

  75. Sixty years and North America still can’t rid themselves of the Castro’s.

  76. stackja

    Canadians don’t need a proper government, Canada is protected by USA.

  77. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    The Canadians could have had British government, French culture, and American know-how.
    Instead they got French government, American culture, and British know-how.

    In heaven:

    Your cook is Italian.

    Your mechanic is German.

    Your policeman is English.

    Your lover is French.

    It is all organized by the Swiss.

    In hell:

    Your cook is English.

    Your mechanic is French.

    Your policeman is German.

    Your lover is Swiss.

    It is all organized by the Italians.

  78. Kev

    Your taxpayer dollar in action.
    Send the bill to the Open Borders wankers – they created the need.

  79. Mindfree

    Johno/Cassie

    The Canuck conservative leader Andrew Scheer makes loser Matthew Guy down here in vic look like action man
    Thats how fucked Canakistan eh! is

  80. Snoopy

    At least in Canada most hotels serve a decent breakfast. US breakfasts are absolute shit.

  81. Stimpson J. Cat

    scary stuff

    Pyschosis is very scary.
    Imagine not being able to trust your own senses of smell, taste, touch, sight, and hearing.
    Then imagine not being able to trust your own mind.
    It’s why people act so crazy.
    But once you start to understand how it all works, it gets gradually less and less scary, until it becomes annoying, and eventually hopefully entertaining.
    The trick is getting people to stay alive long enough learn this themselves.
    It takes discipline, and will, and denim shorts.

  82. Johno

    I have been thinking about how absolutely awful the right side of politics has been for the last two or three decades.

    When they decided to join in the PC wankfest they kidded themselves that when they obtained power they could just flip the switch and revert to common sense. However they then looked around and were appalled by the baggage that they had accumulated along the way.Then it hit home, this was what they had become.

    Stupid Lite.

  83. struth

    I know exactly how much it cost to reopen CI, as does anyone who reads what the department publishes.
    The problem is not the “what”, but the “why”.
    Please explain.

    So, SFA in comparison to one year the ABC costs us.
    Brilliant.
    Take it out of the ABC’s budget, after we’ve closed it down.
    How many dams, hospitals and infrastructure has the ABC cost us, especially when their activism’s damage could not be accurately tallied.
    And four people in there when there should be thousands rounded up who are living here illegally…. that’s what they spent the money for.
    To house the ones who refuse to go home, estimated to be 60 000.
    Then activist left wing judges and lawyers cost us much more than the centre costs us, with their bullshit.

  84. Delcon

    Johno
    #3190965, posted on October 22, 2019 at 4:11 pm
    I have been thinking about how absolutely awful the right side of politics has been for the last two or three decades.

    When they decided to join in the PC wankfest they kidded themselves that when they obtained power they could just flip the switch and revert to common sense. However they then looked around and were appalled by the baggage that they had accumulated along the way.Then it hit home, this was what they had become.

    Stupid Lite.

    It is indeed politically very stupid and misguided of the conservative side of politics to try and adopt the PC BS of the Left. Having said that, many in conservative parties don’t do it out of some political miscalculation. They do it because they actually drank the PC Kool Aid.

  85. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Conservatives net 34% of popular vote

    Preliminary results now indicate the Liberals lead in or have won 157 seats in the national legislature, short of the 170 required for a majority. The Conservative Party led by Andrew Scheer was in second place with 121 seats.

    Trudeau will have to form an alliance or formal coalition with one or more smaller parties in order to govern. Trudeau’s Liberals will likely rely on the New Democrats to form a new government and stay in power.

    In terms of the popular vote, the Conservatives got 34% of ballots cast versus the Liberals’ 33%., The Wall Street Journal reports.

    Breaking news.

  86. Snoopy

    and denim shorts

    It’s obviously a very long journey. Best wishes.

  87. John Constantine

    In Canada, the mass importation of diversity voteherds is not for the Frenchie communist gulag of Quebec.

    The demographics of Quebec constitutes a complex and sensitive issue, especially as it relates to the National question. Quebec is the only province in Canada to feature a francophone (French-speaking) majority, and where anglophones (English-speakers) constitute an officially recognized minority group. According to the 2011 census, French is spoken by more than 85.5% of the population while this number rises to 88% for children under 15 years old.[1] According to the 2011 census, 95% of Quebec is francophone, with less than 5% of the population not able to speak French.

    Diversity is only strength when it doesn’t threaten a tyrannical commo stronghold.

    No chicom diaspora for quebec.

    https://vancouversun.com/life/vancouver-is-most-asian-city-outside-asia-what-are-the-ramifications

    Forty-three per cent of Metro Vancouver residents have an Asian heritage, which is a much higher proportion than any other major city outside the continent of Asia.

    Based on Statistics Canada reports, the number of those with Asian roots in Metro Vancouver will continue to grow at a faster rate than the non-Asian population.

    Around the globe, the only major cities outside Asia {*with more than 1.2 million residents} that come close to Metro Vancouver for their portion of residents with Asian backgrounds are San Francisco (33 per cent Asian), London, England (21 per cent), Metro Toronto (35 per cent), Calgary (23 per cent) and Sydney, Australia (19 per cent).

  88. 1735099

    Send the bill to the Open Borders wankers – they created the need.

    170000 Vietnamese came as refugees, many initially on boats.
    Our governments (of both persuasions) did not make a wedge issue of human misery, and sought and found a multilateral solution.

    Howard decided to use fear of refugees to win an election.
    Labor responded as an opposition characteristically does, and the rest is history.

    The bill should be sent to Howard.
    His playing politics with refugees started the rot.

    It doesn’t matter whether it’s soldiers or refugees being used to dog whistle.
    It never ends well.

  89. Delcon

    John Constantine
    #3190974, posted on October 22, 2019 at 4:20 pm

    Diversity is only strength when it doesn’t threaten a tyrannical commo stronghold.

    The Left will be the staunchest anti-immigration activists if they suspected that immigrants would not vote in the “correct” way. Look up Gough Whitlam and the anti-Communist Vietnamese boat people.

  90. 1735099

    It is indeed politically very stupid and misguided of the conservative side of politics to try and adopt the PC BS of the Left. Having said that, many in conservative parties don’t do it out of some political miscalculation. They do it because they actually drank the PC Kool Aid.

    Maybe – just maybe, it’s a little more complicated than Conservative vs Progressive.
    Most of what is posted here which goes on about “PC” and “Kool Aid” is cliche politics for children.

  91. thefrollickingmole

    I know exactly how much it cost to reopen CI, as does anyone who reads what the department publishes.
    The problem is not the “what”, but the “why”.
    Please explain.

    Yet you somehow know nothing of the costs of allowing a non refugee to take the place allocated for a genuine refugee.
    Why do you hate the poorest and most desperate in favor of the entitled& cashed up non refugees Numberwang?

    Are you a damaged person who likes to see the privileged take the place of the most desperate?

    Dont be a heartless mong like Numberwang
    Just dont.

  92. notafan

    On 26 April 1976, the first boatload of refugees fleeing Vietnam sailed into Darwin Harbour, heralding a series of arrivals over the next few years.

    The vast majority of refugees from Vietnam, however, arrived in Australia by plane

    after selection by Australian officials in refugee camps established throughout South-East Asia.

    Since 1976, Australia has become home to a thriving Vietnamese community. In 2011, the national census showed that 185,000 people in Australia were born in Vietnam.

  93. Infidel Tiger

    Shame to waste good potatoes on the US SF troops. Every single US troop leaving the Kurds to their fate under Erdogan’s murderous militias should be rightly spat on, in lieu of preferable alternatives, such as spitting on the face of their foolish CiC.

    Delcon when will you be apologizing for posting this?

  94. notafan

    how many is ‘many’?

    clearly it is not most

  95. Oh come on

    Why will Justin Trudeau be re-elected?

    Donald Trump. The Canucks are so desperate to not be America that they’re willing to put up with all kinds of ignominies in pursuit of that end, including keeping on a complete moron as PM who is a global embarrassment to their country…but as long as he’s the anti-Trump, all will be forgiven. It’s really rather sad.

  96. Oh come on

    170000 Vietnamese came as refugees, many initially on boats.

    At the time, Numpty was very big on turning back these boats. No Saigon war criminals in Australia!

  97. thefrollickingmole

    Dear, dear me.

    Not only does Numberwang bring up NAM NAM NAM again he gets basic timelines wrong, as usual.

    Howard decided to use fear of refugees to win an election.
    Labor responded as an opposition characteristically does, and the rest is history.

    Thats where you are wrong bucko.

    Even the ABC knows you are full of shit.

    Australia’s founding father of indefinite mandatory detention

    But in May 1992, when Keating was prime minister and Gerry Hand his immigration minister, Hand gave the Second Reading Speech of the Migration Amendment Bill 1992, which made the practice of detention mandatory. Mr Hand said this, about what was then termed “migration custody”:

    The Government is determined that a clear signal be sent that migration to Australia may not be achieved by simply arriving in this country and expecting to be allowed into the community.

    If Howard had been writing a university essay in 2001, he might’ve been done for plagiarism.

    But back in May 1992, “migration custody” was limited within the same Bill to 273 days (with, it must be said, some notable exceptions). Hand affirmed on this front that:

    The [Keating] Government has no wish to keep people in custody indefinitely and I could not expect the Parliament to support such a suggestion.

    Sadly, Messrs Hand and Keating did not hold their nerve, and did in fact expect the Parliament to support that very suggestion a mere seven months later, when the Migration Reform Bill 1992 was read for a second time in Parliament. The new section 54ZD of the Migration Act, which came into legislative force in 1994, removed the 273-day time limit on detention.

    So there you have it: the foundations for indefinite mandatory detention of asylum seekers were laid well before John Howard’s prime ministership.

    Of course Numberwang may just be confused and imagine time runs backwards and Howards time in office was before Keatings.

  98. “Johno
    #3190965, posted on October 22, 2019 at 4:11 pm
    I have been thinking about how absolutely awful the right side of politics has been for the last two or three decades.

    When they decided to join in the PC wankfest they kidded themselves that when they obtained power they could just flip the switch and revert to common sense. However they then looked around and were appalled by the baggage that they had accumulated along the way.Then it hit home, this was what they had become.

    Stupid Lite.”

    It is worse than “stupid lite”….the right generally, for three decades, have been utterly incompetent. I was reminded of this the other night whilst watching Chris Kenny on Sky. He had that utterly vacuous skank and all round waste of space rodent called Kezza Chickarovski…a supposed conservative and right of centre politician and one time leader of the Liberal party in NSW. Apparently Rodent Kezza…after failing to even make a slight dent in the corrupt and very venal Carr government….left politics and conveniently gets rewarded for failure with plumb positions….the rodent is now on the board of the NSW Waratahs…well is it any wonder that the Tahs are now useless too. Of course that’s what happens to failed politicians..they just get rewarded with nice gigs such as being on the board of a rugby team. For doing what..for doing nothing. Anyway I digress….she had flown back the night before from Japan after watching the Woke Wallabies fail yet again. Kenny made a remark (or similar) about the wisdom of letting Folau go from the team….and do you know what that fucking useless rodent said? She was adamant that it was the right thing to do and that Folau had no future in rugby. She was sitting there tut-tutting away about Folau…..this after the woke wallabies had proven their utter uselessness. I wanted to put my hand through the television and pull her hair and smack her ugly, ugly face.

    I suppose I shouldn’t credit rodents with any common sense.

  99. Johno

    Not just the right side of politics. Just look at at Labor. They are unrecognisable from what they were thirty years ago.Has anyone of those members ever had calloused hands? Any one of them ever felt a twinge as they straightened the back after a hard days yakka?

    They are just interchangeable lego pieces. They could click onto any party that would have them.
    It is a truism ” no man will die in the culture to which he was born” But it didn’t have to change this quick.

    Name me a party that has your loyalty.

  100. Oh come on

    Shame to waste good potatoes on the US SF troops. Every single US troop leaving the Kurds to their fate under Erdogan’s murderous militias should be rightly spat on.

    Wow.

    such as spitting on the face of their foolish CiC

    So are we ready to call Delcon a verified troll? It’s pretty clear his ‘I used to be a rock-ribbed Trump supporter’ carry-on is a load of horse manure.

  101. Delcon

    1735099
    #3190978, posted on October 22, 2019 at 4:27 pm
    It is indeed politically very stupid and misguided of the conservative side of politics to try and adopt the PC BS of the Left. Having said that, many in conservative parties don’t do it out of some political miscalculation. They do it because they actually drank the PC Kool Aid.

    Maybe – just maybe, it’s a little more complicated than Conservative vs Progressive.
    Most of what is posted here which goes on about “PC” and “Kool Aid” is cliche politics for children.

    Most of what is posted here which goes on about “PC” and “Kool Aid” is stuff that not only no one from a conservative party would have even considered for a second, but no one from mainstream Leftist parties would have only, say, a generation ago.
    Look up SSM and Carbon Tax for examples.
    Can you imagine anyone from Labor, let alone the Liberals, supporting either only, say, 30 years ago?

  102. Knuckle Dragger

    IT, 4.28 pm;

    Until he does, he can quit his sniveling along with his shameless flag-waving for a bunch of opportunistic lazy nobodies who’ve had a thousand years or more to get their shit in one sock but haven’t got around to it because dunno.

  103. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Pyschosis is very scary.
    Imagine not being able to trust your own senses of smell, taste, touch, sight, and hearing.
    Then imagine not being able to trust your own mind.
    It’s why people act so crazy.
    But once you start to understand how it all works, it gets gradually less and less scary, until it becomes annoying, and eventually hopefully entertaining.

    Stimps, this is very true, particularly the last sentence.

    My dear Sainted Mother was very frightened at first with two major psychotic attacks after many years of my childhood spent with her going in and out of mild and often unrecognized psychosis. After Big Sis and I left home she was OK for a while, got a job in a factory and made some friends, which helped. Then she and my father split for the final time, he’d had a psychotic breakdown around the time Big Sis and I left to live in the garage, and things didn’t improve between them when he came out of hospital. We’d refused to return. When the first major break came she was living alone in poor accommodation in the city where she had made a last attempt to live with my father. Big Sis and I were called by police to help schedule her. She was on another planet, didn’t know anyone and totally freaked out. heavily medicated and saw her in Rozelle Psych Hospital for over a year at one time. She became almost zombie like, and at times didn’t recognize me. Then she started to come back into the world, medications were reduced, and she left hospital. By this time my father had disappeared bush and she moved to various half-way situations, none of them very good. Then Big Sis took her in. The second major attack happened. After that, the attacks were frequent and drove me and Big Sis crazy not knowing what to do with her (we were forging ahead as young women by then) but over the years they became less and she became more able to cope with them. She had a family background of my Nana (a salt of the earth working class coalminer’s wife but probably schizoid herself) who dabbled in spiritualism as a ‘spirit medium’. Mum started doing this too and it seemed to help, it regularized her ‘visits’ to the Other World.

  104. Mater

    170000 Vietnamese came as refugees, many initially on boats.
    Our governments (of both persuasions) did not make a wedge issue of human misery, and sought and found a multilateral solution.

    It’s just short of two months since you last ran this crap.
    It was destroyed then, and the historical facts haven’t changed.

    Started at:

    http://catallaxyfiles.com/2019/08/31/open-forum-august-31-2019/comment-page-3/#comment-3145071

  105. Delcon

    Infidel Tiger
    #3190981, posted on October 22, 2019 at 4:28 pm

    Shame to waste good potatoes on the US SF troops. Every single US troop leaving the Kurds to their fate under Erdogan’s murderous militias should be rightly spat on, in lieu of preferable alternatives, such as spitting on the face of their foolish CiC.

    Delcon when will you be apologizing for posting this?

    I’m still waiting for operation “Spring Peace” to turn out to be an operation which is all about repatriating Syrians back to their homelands, the premise under which US SF troops were evacuated under the orders of their foolish CiC. As soon as we all learn that Erdogan only meant to do that, rather than just playing Trump like the tool that Trump was, I will unreservedly apologize.

  106. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Has anyone of those members ever had calloused hands? Any one of them ever felt a twinge as they straightened the back after a hard days yakka?

    To the best of my knowledge and belief, Joel Fitzgibbon is the only one who has ever been “on the tools” in his life – he was an auto electrician.

  107. Oh come on

    There is only one worthwhile reason to engage Numpty – it’s to remind him of his strident opposition to Australia accepting Vietnamese refugees after the fall of Saigon.

  108. Beachcomber

    Mindfree at 4:06 pm

    The Canuck conservative leader Andrew Scheer makes loser Matthew Guy down here in vic look like action man
    Thats how fucked Canakistan eh! is

    Fraid so.

  109. Atoms for Peace

    Anyone seen the supposed secret plan to ban coal mining in QLD? Paywallian.

  110. Oh come on

    the premise under which US SF troops were evacuated under the orders of their foolish CiC.

    So, you think it’s right to spit in the faces of soldiers for obeying a perfectly order. You’re a dummy and not worth engaging with.

  111. Oh come on

    A perfectly lawful order.

  112. Stimpson J. Cat

    Stimps, this is very true, particularly the last sentence.

    Of course it’s true.
    I’m “Living My Truth”.
    I see it in the mirror every day, along with a vague six-pack.
    And the six-pack is very real indeed, ladies.
    😁

  113. Oh come on

    I’m “Living My Truth”.

    Don’t tell Ben Shapiro!

  114. Delcon

    Oh come on
    #3190999, posted on October 22, 2019 at 4:46 pm
    … You’re a dummy and not worth engaging with.

    Funny that you should say that.
    BTW, am I still, as apparently I was a week ago, an Hi Alanist troll for claiming that once I supported Trump?

  115. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Meant to say too that she finally stopped all medications, except the few that Big Sis (a doctor by then) pushed at her occasionally (Stellazine I think) when it got too bad. She integrated back into some sort of community life, often around her spirit beliefs with like minded group who ‘dabbled’ in this stuff. In the nursing home where she went before dying in hospital she seemed to get worse again, over-medicated and tranquillised for staff convenience not hers, and became more frightened. Big Sis played merry hell to get her off the medications vs the nursing home doctor, whom she peremptorily dismissed, and my mother eventually passed away in a happy mood of acceptance and anticipation at meeting again soon with her mother and childhood friends. Her biggest support in her last years were a ‘special relationship’ with a man forty years her junior; he was absolutely devastated when she died.

    Today I saw the movie “Judy” with some girlfriends. The end year of Judy Garland’s life, the lead played well, I thought, by Rene Zollwegger. The main themes were the pushing of uppers and downers on the young Judy in the grip of Hollywood’s ownership of its talent, and the drug-addicted decline of the star in her forties doing a London season for money to fight for custody of her kids. De Mille gets a very bad rap. Judy married a lot (like my Big Sis), as an antidote to depression, she wryly comments in the movie; we see the relationship with the last young lover (younger men did seem to adore her uniqueness, plus the gays flocked around her just as with Kylie), in the full flower of the sixties London, interesting for that. Sad overall though, and of course, Over the Rainbow is used to end it all in weeps. You couldn’t help being drawn into that even though you knew patently what the film was dragging out of you. 4 stars if you can cope with that sort of thing, but I suspect only 2 stars if you have a thing for Judy Garland, as although a sympathetic portrait it probably took liberties with the truth of her life and a few of her best songs.

  116. 1735099

    At the time, Numpty was very big on turning back these boats. No Saigon war criminals in Australia!

    And

    There is only one worthwhile reason to engage Numpty – it’s to remind him of his strident opposition to Australia accepting Vietnamese refugees after the fall of Saigon.

    I was actually teaching them at the time (migrant annexe at Corinda State High School before Milperra – the purpose built centre) was set up.
    I had no idea you were spying on my every move back then.
    Silly me…..

  117. Oh come on

    You are a dummy and a troll. You aren’t remotely sincere. If you were, you would at least retract your assertion that it is right to spit in the faces of troops for following a lawful order.

  118. thefrollickingmole

    A Whackerdemic writes a long post on how stupid Australia is for getting to the stage of importing gas back to the eastern States from overseas, without mentioning even once anti-fracking laws strangling supply.

    the only bit thats correct is the headline.

    Australian plans to import gas are expensive, bad for the climate and utterly absurd
    Households are struggling with soaring gas bills and the future of our manufacturing sector is at risk

    Samantha Hepburn is the director of the Centre for Energy and Natural Resources Law, Deakin Law School, Deakin University

    That such plans are even being contemplated shows the weakness of Australia’s regulatory measures. The existing Australian Domestic Gas Security Mechanism allows the federal energy minister to bring in export restrictions if there are forecast gas shortages for Australian users.

    The mechanism was established by the federal government with much fanfare in July 2017, but has never been used. This is largely because it is triggered by a shortfall in supply, not rising prices.

    Australia is soon expected to export 80 million tonnes of gas each year.
    A much stronger mechanism, based on gas pricing, is vital. This should be overseen by a domestic board that monitors prices and acts on behalf of the public. Fair pricing could be ensured by using benchmarks set by the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission. The board would have power to enact export controls so that gas could be removed from the export market and returned to the domestic market.

    …….
    In the US, the export of LNG is regulated by laws that require exports to be in the public interest. Strong protections also exist in Canada. In Norway, Qatar, Russia, Malaysia and Algeria many LNG producers are controlled by the state to ensure a balanced approach to resource growth.

    The rich resources of Australia belong to the public. They should only be exploited when it is firmly in our interests.

    Another statist parasite.

    Bet she will be interviewed on their ABC any minute now as an expert…

  119. Oh come on

    I was actually teaching them at the time (migrant annexe at Corinda State High School before Milperra – the purpose built centre) was set up.

    Yes, you said this last time the issue came up, and it was pointed out to you that you don’t get to choose who you teach so it doesn’t disprove anything.

  120. “If you were, you would at least retract your assertion that it is right to spit in the faces of troops for following a lawful order.”

    OCO….haven’t you noticed that the racist troll from Toowoomba doesn’t do apologies or acknowledgements…he just shifts the goalposts. He is a liar and a fraud.

  121. Stimpson J. Cat

    She integrated back into some sort of community life, often around her spirit beliefs with like minded group who ‘dabbled’ in this stuff.

    It’s actually bad news for mentally ill Atheists, the differences in long-term outcomes between them and those with some form of “Belief” system are very stark indeed.
    Sorry Atheists, but it is your choice after all.

  122. 1735099

    It was destroyed then, and the historical facts haven’t changed.

    It wasn’t.
    I remember that exchange.

    I asked you this –

    I don’t recall Whitlam’s government deporting families or refouling Vietnamese.
    But go ahead, and see what you can dig up…..

    I’m still waiting for a response.
    Dug anything up yet, or is copying and pasting old threads your only skill?

  123. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    My mother died of lung cancer and congestive heart failure, nothing to do with her capacity to look after herself until the very end. She had a long an in many way fruitful life. She became a sort of inspiration to many people in her small world. When the Aged Care social worker came to see her as she hit her eighties, the worker took me and Big Sis aside with real tears in her eyes and said she’d never met anyone more worthy whom life had done less for in terms of education, for mum got a very rare scholarship to senior school back in those bleak welsh coal valleys and couldn’t take it up; sent instead at 13 to be a servant companion to an old lady in the Big House, who taught her how to set a table properly. She’d decorated her little home though for the social worker’s visit. She’d hung some tea towels over the settee to cheer things along and had bought out the two dollar shop for plastic flowers and other gee gaws to create a gracious impression.

  124. struth

    ”….the right generally, for three decades, have been utterly incompetent. I was reminded of this the other night whilst watching Chris Kenny on Sky. He had that utterly vacuous skank and all round waste of space rodent called Kezza Chickarovski…a supposed conservative and right of centre politician and one time leader of the Liberal party in NSW.

    I think the right wingers do alright.
    There are none of them in our parliaments, state or federal, so I’ll just be the devil’s advocate here and praise them.

    Which right wingers are you talking about.
    I must have missed them.

  125. Oh come on

    You have previously admitted to being a member of the anti-war left in Australia during the 1970s, Numpty. The anti-war left at that time was uniformly hostile to Australia accepting “Saigon war criminals” as refugees. There’s no conceivable reason why you would have felt differently, as you now claim you did – it was perfectly logical for a member of the anti-war left to feel hostility towards the remnants of the southern government.

  126. 1735099

    OCO….haven’t you noticed that the racist troll from Toowoomba doesn’t do apologies or acknowledgements…he just shifts the goalposts. He is a liar and a fraud.

    Except I didn’t post anything at all about that incident.
    You are suffering from OCD.

    If I had, I would have responded (in reference to the poor soldiers “doing what they were told”), with something along the lines of reminding readers that “I was only obeying orders” was the classic excuse for the NAZIs.
    But I didn’t, so I won’t.

  127. Infidel Tiger

    Today is International Stuttering Awareness Day.

    Far out.

  128. “excuse for the NAZI’s…”

    because you are one. Now fuck off.

  129. Top Ender

    Howard decided to use fear of refugees to win an election.

    The people who the Tampa picked up should have been tried as pirates.

    The ship was on the way north out of Australian waters.

    The 400 or so people who the ship’s captain decided to help turned on the crew and could well have become violent if their wishes to go to Australia were ignored.

    Using a SASR unit to intercept it was a good idea.

  130. Johno

    Where is the passion? Where are the men who nailed their colours to the mast and took on all comers?

    Name one, just one of this lot who you would fall into line behind. Beige, the whole lot.

    The only time I regret my service is when I look at this disgustacon of third graders and realise they are the ones who have risen to the top.

  131. struth

    Today is International Stuttering Awareness Day.

    Far out.

    No sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh it
    Numbers calls all speech impediments a lisp, so I suppose we had to have it.
    He’s such a retard.

  132. Infidel Tiger

    Numbers has not only shot at Asians, he has then protested Asian refugees coming to Australia and has spent the last decades harassing Asian workers at McDonalds.

    A very sick man. Jack Van Tongeren has nothing on this scumbag.

  133. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    It’s actually bad news for mentally ill Atheists

    You’re telling me, Stimpy. My second son, an adult, has a sort of bipolar condition, currently in and out of psychosis, won’t take any medication, unemployed, suicidal ideation constantly, hugely angry, drug involved, tremendously dependent on me but at the same time bitterly rejecting; in need of a great deal of support. He’s done Science for a year at university and is definitely a ‘Dawkins man’. Very anti-Christian and refuses help from any Christian-based organisations. Which leaves his options far less. And his mind with no comforts in its disturbance. Dawkins has a lot to answer for imho.

    I talk around a fair bit, and I know too that my experiences of family and mental illnesses are by no means unusual. I’ve just had more of it than most. Possibly due to dysfunctionality down the generational line, but also a weird genetic lottery (some of us are quite sane), and even more so, the failure of decent mental health services since the days when my mother could readily access them.

  134. cohenite

    I wanted to put my hand through the television and pull her hair and smack her ugly, ugly face.

    You must not resist these urges.

  135. politichix

    Atoms for Peace
    #3190998, posted on October 22, 2019 at 4:45 pm
    Anyone seen the supposed secret plan to ban coal mining in QLD? Paywallian.

    Here….

    Classified Queensland plan to close down coalmining
    
MICHAEL MCKENNA


    It is a plan that could forever change Queensland’s economy — possibly putting Australian-first environmental hurdles in the way of new projects, particularly in mining — but until now its existence was a secret.

    And the Palaszczuk government wants to keep it that way.
    Commissioned last year by the Labor government, Australia’s top environmental lawyers were asked to “explore the issue of climate risk litigation’’ as part of its “Advancing Queensland Priority Action: Protecting the Great Barrier Reef’’ policy.

    At the time, the Left-dominated cabinet was talking down the coal industry and putting up 11th-hour roadblocks to Adani’s Carmichael mine that ultimately cost Labor seats in regional Queensland at the May federal election.

    An application under state Freedom of Information laws for internal emails canvassing the Adani project by veteran anti-coal activist Tim Seelig — controversially appointed last year as the Department of Environment’s top policy adviser — unearthed the existence of “the proposal for Queensland’’.

    The Palaszczuk government is, however, refusing to answer questions or release the document, ­attached to one of the emails, ­arguing that its contents are “commercial in confidence’’.

    Its importance was confirmed by the timing of its delivery to ­departmental heads and in an ­accompanying email in which the proposal’s author, lawyer Sarah Barker, raised the prospect of “overseas scope 3 emissions” being linked to future approvals for projects like Adani.
    The proposal was circulated just days after February’s landmark decision by the NSW Land and Environment Court rejecting the proposed Rocky Hill mine, partly on the grounds of the potential climate change impacts from carbon emissions through the burning of its coal.

    The possibility of following suit and overhauling Queensland environmental law to consider overseas emissions from a proposed mine’s products was flagged in emails between Ms Barker and senior bureaucrats within the ­Environment Department.

    In one email, Ms Barker said the landmark Rocky Hill decision could be used to push the office of Attorney-General Yvette D’Ath to look at changes.

    Mr Barker said in an email to Geor­gine Roodenrys, executive director of the Climate Change division, that this might be a lever to pull with the Attorney -General. “It really will force all administrative decision-makers to reconsider what relevant matters they must weigh in determining any application that requires them to have regard to greenhouse gas emissions or environmental impacts. This might be an additional lever to pull with A-G’s now.”

    In the email, Ms Barker added the Rocky Hill ruling showed a “completely different approach’’ to the “Queensland minister’s planning decisions in the Carmichael cases (which were then, of course, subject of judicial review)’’. “Different planning frameworks and relevant tests apply (including direct versus indirect) but compare the reasoning on a number of key points: (a) market substitution argument; (b) whether overseas scope 3 from emissions are matters relevant to the planning determination; and (c) the de minimus emissions from a single mine argument.”

    A spokeswoman for Environment Minister Leanne Enoch ­refused to answer questions or ­release the document.
    A spokesman for the Queensland Resource Council said the existence of the proposal was a surprise and “Queenslanders ­expect government decisions to be made based on consultation, transparency and objectivity’’.
    Opposition leader Deb Frecklington said the state government, which delayed Adani’s approvals last year with a series of 11th-hour state reviews was undermining the resource sector: “Labor’s secret plan would destroy Queensland’s economy and leave tens of thousands out of work.”

  136. 1735099

    There’s no conceivable reason why you would have felt differently,

    Wow – that’s conclusive!
    That’s one of the weirdest things about this blog.
    Anyone who doesn’t kowtow to the orthodoxy is put in a box, and saddled with a whole bunch of characteristics with the assumption that they hold a set of opinions, based on nothing in particular except the label on the box.

    By the way, my “activity” was in the sixties, rather than the seventies.
    As. a student, I had time for it then.
    I didn’t get back to Oz after Vietnam until late 1970, and after that I was too busy getting my life and career back on track to get active in politics.
    There was only only one exception, which was my participation the Brisbane Springbok demos, although I had enough sense to get away from the Tower Mill before the wallopers began ripping their badges off and bashing the living daylights out of everyone.
    I did once got into a dispute with a soldier at Enoggera who was abusing a bunch of boat kids I was supervising, but that’s another story.

  137. Knuckle Dragger

    Delmontycongrig, 4.40 pm;

    ‘Spring Peace’

    It’s actually ‘Operation Peace Spring’, which is appropriate as you’ve got everything else backwards on this topic.

    And yes, the aim is to boot 3,000,000 Syrian freeloaders back into Syria now that IZIS isn’t a realistic threat any more. Further, Turkey, Syria and the US knew about it six months before it happened. Because you saw it on the teev doesn’t mean everyone was surprised. Just you.

    Anything else is more imaginary conversations, Delconwouldhaveandprobably.

  138. 1735099

    because you are one. Now fuck off.

    God bless you, my dear…..

    By the way, I was here first.
    I’m not going anywhere.

  139. thefrollickingmole

    Numberwang studiously ignores his demolition…
    Mater
    #3191018, posted on October 22, 2019 at 5:06 pm

    Can you imagine the quality of its “scholarship”, anything which deviated from its stared objective would be ignored.

    Go on ‘wang boy, rebut Maters post or confirm (again) you are a mendacious old fool.

  140. Delcon

    Oh come on
    #3191009, posted on October 22, 2019 at 4:56 pm
    You are a dummy and a troll. You aren’t remotely sincere.

    Either I am a dummy for posting my positions, or an insincere troll. The two are mutually exclusive.
    It’s alright, I don’t expect you to understand.
    As you were.

  141. Johno

    They are not worthy of profanity.They are just there. Why? What purpose do they serve?

    Do they lead us to a future better than this one/ Do they open a vista of hope and joy?

    No, two terms and a brilliant super scheme. Board positions,honorary PHDS. Applause and merlot dinners for eight.
    Stuff ’em all the long and the short and the tall.

    I hear the call of a bottle of Jacobs Creek Shiraz Cabernet. And cheese,cheddar.

  142. Atoms for Peace

    Thanks Politchix.

  143. notafan

    Back on track

    Ten months overseas and life was in tatters.

    Taking over egging to the extreme

  144. struth

    Australia’s Russiagate.
    Lefty’s lose elections and can’t work out the stuff why.
    It was fear of Reffos screams the left.
    That’s why Howard won.
    Tony Abbott won because Australians are all Misogynist,……………………..ban wrist watches.

    Howard won because people that had previously vote left, voted right, or should I correct myself, they voted for the soft socialist Liberal Party.
    So if your theory is correct sniffy, and Howard scared people in regards to refugees, then looking at our electoral system, that can only mean that previous left wing voters thought the reffo situation was serious enough to change their vote.
    Right wingers weren’t voting labor anyway, so that leaves left wing swing voters scared of refugees.

  145. Snoopy

    Infidel Tiger
    #3191022, posted on October 22, 2019 at 5:11 pm
    Today is International Stuttering Awareness Day.

    Far out.

    I used to have a great mate who had a chronic stutter. His nickname was ‘Static’. Curiously he was an incredible mimic and never stuttered when in character.

  146. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘I did once got into a dispute with a soldier at Enoggera who was abusing a bunch of boat kids I was supervising

    Best story ever. The noggie kids you personally rescued from Darwin Harbour in 1976. Or 1978. Or 1994.

    And took them to see Atticus Finch at the picture fillum, 15 years after that film debuted. And suddenly there was an anonymous Army man being nasty, and you saw the dirty rotter off.

    Yep. That little tale’s in the same box as the racially segregated indig digger at a Melbourne pub in the 80s.

    Nice one, Four Leaf. You should write a book.

  147. struth

    Either I am a dummy for posting my positions, or an insincere troll. The two are mutually exclusive.
    It’s alright, I don’t expect you to understand.
    As you were.

    Fuck me, Delcon, build a bridge mate.
    I didn’t agree with you either, stated my case, so there you have it.
    You keep grizzling about everyone piling on, they are gunna tease you.
    Most didn’t agree with you, so what?
    Who gives a shit?
    Move on.

  148. calli

    Nice story, Lizzie. My gran was a housemaid for the Hordern family. She’d come out from England with all the hopes and aspirations for a good life.

    And she got it, in part. A husband, five children (one died from dyptheria, the eldest in WWII), nine grandchildren. She used to sing “Men of Harlech” with great gusto. She was indomitable, even when she was feeble and unable to care for herself. My beautiful Mum, the loyal and dutiful daughter in law, nursed her to the end.

    Every time I watch “Zulu” I think of her pegging out the washing.

  149. Knuckle Dragger

    He’s pinching my quotation marks now.

  150. Oh come on

    If I had, I would have responded (in reference to the poor soldiers “doing what they were told”), with something along the lines of reminding readers that “I was only obeying orders” was the classic excuse for the NAZIs.

    Which is why I emphasised lawful order. You’re a dummy as well.

  151. Geriatric Mayfly

    Sky News reported on the tweet, where Ms Ardern referred to Jones as a “git” and claimed he was “intensely disliked”.

    Fake news. What she did say was Alan Jones is a gut and untensely dusluked.

  152. Oh come on

    Either I am a dummy for posting my positions, or an insincere troll. The two are mutually exclusive.

    Not at all. One can be an artful troll, or an artless one. You are the latter. Your positions are moronic, and you also forgot part of your act. You’re a dum dum. And a troll. You’re a dumb troll. Clear now?

  153. areff

    Anyone else notice what happened after 4Corners went to air last night with its withering appraisal of VicPol and those who command it?

    Just read the news.

    Mass raids on teenage gangsters and 57 arrests.

    Suddenly the ex-chief prosecutor’s call for Ashton to quit or be booted didn’t command quite so large headline type as one might otherwise have expected.

    Trashcanistan on the Yarra.

  154. Delcon

    It’s not healthy for a debate to accuse posters here for being trolls just because one finds their opinion disagreeable.
    To be a troll means to be insincere. You wanna accuse me of that? Fine, but bring evidence (and, preferably, better than “you said that you supported Trump, and now you criticise Trump, so you must be a troll”).
    The best part of me being accused of being an insincere troll, is that the same people also argue that my opinions stupid, and therefore that I am stupid. Well, which is it? If my opinions are stupid, is it because I am a troll, or because I am stupid?

  155. jupes

    If I had, I would have responded (in reference to the poor soldiers “doing what they were told”), with something along the lines of reminding readers that “I was only obeying orders” was the classic excuse for the NAZIs.

    This blog is now officially the stupidest blog on Earth.

    Like a bit of shit in ice cream, it only takes a couple of trolls to ruin the joint.

  156. cohenite

    Fuck, the troll must be on compassionate leave to be here in the afternoon as well as the morning.

    Pirro, Hannity, Carlson and Ingraham all reviling the lack of fight in the GoP against the lying, conniving, corrupt, traitorous (or whatever order you want) demorats. Lindsey Graham being singled out for failing to use his Senatorial powers to duplicate the house subpoenas under the arse-wipe schiff.

    Like I said, with the left everything they oppose they cause, everything they try to improve they make worse, everything they accuse you of doing they’re doing themselves and if there isn’t any problem they’ll produce one.

  157. Shy Ted

    When I were a lad we used to sing bawdy songs on t’tram all t’time, much to t’musement of all t’passengers. Our favourite went something like this –
    On ABC ship Pious, the media tried to try us, we sang a song, “you can’t, it’s wrong,” they’re firty ducking lius.
    Captain was Fran Kelly, ugly and quite smelly, but she’s so woke, ask any bloke, they’d rather use a welly.
    Crew Hamish McDonald, who many men had fondled, gets a say for being gay, we know his real name’s Ronald.
    Galley slave Van Badham, fat chicks we’ve all had ’em, she asked a fellow for a job in a bordello, got knocked back by the madam.
    Boring Lenore Taylor, could bore for all Australia, a harridan for The Guardian and she’s why it’s a failure.
    Good grief Jonathan Green, less manly than a drag queen, the monstrous cock’s just killed a fox, a never was not has been.
    Midget Benjy Law, just what is he paid for? Gets a series with other queeries, and calls it Family Law.
    If you go on The Drum, you’re really ducking fumb, to get the call you must know eff all, they all talk out their bum.
    Comedienne called Hannah, with less than funny manner, stands up and then just shouts at men, a sane media would ban her.
    And ABC ship Venus, where ladies have a penus, they’re hardcore left, talent bereft, but we pay, that’s the genius.
    At least that’s how I remember coach trips. And St Kevin’ headmaster is a cuck.

  158. notafan

    Is someone seriously suggesting that US soldiers should go rogue and join the battle against Turkey?

  159. egg_

    Arnold Schwarzenegger praises climate activist Greta Thunberg: ‘I think politicians are listening’

    Says the Carbonator.

  160. cohenite

    I’m not going anywhere.

    Boasts the troll on a blog. Dipshit, you’ll never be anywhere because you’re nowhere.

  161. Stimpson J. Cat

    You’re telling me, Stimpy. My second son, an adult, has a sort of bipolar condition, currently in and out of psychosis, won’t take any medication, unemployed, suicidal ideation constantly, hugely angry, drug involved, tremendously dependent on me but at the same time bitterly rejecting; in need of a great deal of support. He’s done Science for a year at university and is definitely a ‘Dawkins man’. Very anti-Christian and refuses help from any Christian-based organisations. Which leaves his options far less. And his mind with no comforts in its disturbance. Dawkins has a lot to answer for imho.

    University is the first problem here, drugs are the second, lack of any work whatsoever the third.
    Group counseling with similar crazies is the probably first step, to recognize he is the same as them and is not special, it is very common situation he is in, but also that he is not alone in his struggle, and it is easier to face it together with others.
    This cannot be compelled however, he has to choose.
    If you have to disengage for him to hit rock bottom, do so, the sooner he has to choose to change the better.
    The best way to begin to change yourself is to help others, this builds self-esteem, sense of accomplishment, etc and is a tangible example in real life of your ability to make small positive changes in the lives of others, which can then hopefully be successfully replicated in your own life.
    Everything has to be broken down into small achievable goals which can build the foundation to help change mindset, habits, patterns of thinking, etc until this becomes second nature.
    Every single input into your brain, visual, aural, smell, taste, touch, etc has an influence in mental illness, and the meanings your mind derives from it.
    It all determines your consciousness and context.
    It is not enough to change simply for someone else, or for yourself, or for a belief.
    It has to be for a combination of the three.
    I’ll send some books to Sinc to pass on to you over the next few days.

  162. Nick

    It will be fun watching Lefties talk about Trudeau’s mandate, especially those who denied that Morrison had any at all with regards to climate change.

  163. PeterM

    The ABC is not even pretending any more. Their precis of tonight’s Foreign Correspondent reads: “At The Edge Of The Earth – Alaska: Alaska’s indigenous tribes are fiercely proud of their pristine land and traditions, but as Trump pushes to open up its protected wilderness for oil exploration, Zoe Daniel asks could it be under threat? (Final for 2019)”

    Message for the ABC: That’s Mr Trump to you!

  164. struth

    Go on ‘wang boy, rebut Maters post or confirm (again) you are a mendacious old fool.

    All lefties do the same.
    Just ignore what they can’t face or their heads will explode.
    That’s why he can never give answers and why when he does, he gets his arse handed to him.

    We know it’s coming, (not the answer, but silence) but his silence on what he can’t tackle shows who’s on the right side of history.

    This is honestly his logic.
    If you shoot a joooo, you must be right wing.

    Hang over from the greatest left wing propaganda lie ever told.
    That is

    Hitler was an extreme right wing guy,………….. so when asked to explain why, he avoided and avoided the issue, then linked to a young socialist activist uni student dribbling shit, under pressure had his arse handed to him.
    We have irrefutable proof he was left wing, and after all is said and done, according to Sniff Hitler was right wing because he was a racist…………………….in the face of overwhelming evidence that he was a socialist.

    These people have a mental sickness and it must be exposed.
    The problem basically is they are followers and scared of independence which requires responsibility.
    Beta males and most women.
    They will believe there are more than two sexes, deeply in their hearts, if it means not being questioned and disappearing into the flock.

    The sickness was truly exposed for the danger it is , just yesterday.
    In public Sniffy declared he was against killing babies and r a pe of little girls in toilets by men in Lipstick.
    But he still supports the side of politics that does.
    In doing so, he is an accomplice and a facilitator.
    That is just a fact.
    Having no moral compass whatsoever, except a superficial concern of what others may think of him, he sides with the abusive, loud, aggressive side of politics, because he is, as they mostly are,………fucking cowards.

  165. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Kenny made a remark (or similar) about the wisdom of letting Folau go from the team….and do you know what that fucking useless rodent said? She was adamant that it was the right thing to do and that Folau had no future in rugby. She was sitting there tut-tutting away about Folau…..this after the woke wallabies had proven their utter uselessness. I wanted to put my hand through the television and pull her hair and smack her ugly, ugly face.

    LOL. Don’t hold back, Cassie. 😀

    At least the wallabies are getting what they deserve. And Chikka has always been an idiot.
    Not really worth damaging your TV over her. If we took a well-deserved swipe at every ugly female who became annoying and duplicitous in political life we’d have the muscles to show for it.

    A boxer’s punching bag with a changeable set of frightbat mushes would be a good Chrissie present for you, Cass. I’ll look around for one. ooops, I forgot. No Christmas. But you can still have a present. 🙂

  166. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Message for the ABC: That’s Mr Trump to you!

    The MSM in general gave up the ‘Mr’ long ago, the ABC too for a while now.

    They don’t even bother to pretend any more. Out and proud leftists, one and all.

  167. Leigh Lowe

    I wanted to put my hand through the television and pull her hair

    Not gonna hurt.
    The Vicar of Rugby wears a wig.

  168. egg_

    I’m not going anywhere.

    Time has moved on since ’73, man.

  169. areff

    Christmas, Lizzie, who needs Christmas?

  170. calli

    Chikka was on Sunrise the other day, her Death’s Head pontificating about something or other in the “Kochies Angels” segment. Like Hewson, she must imagine herself as a “Thought Leader”.

    It was a window into The Other Place.

  171. Leigh Lowe

    areff

    #3191056, posted on October 22, 2019 at 5:40 pm

    Anyone else notice what happened after 4Corners went to air last night with its withering appraisal of VicPol and those who command it?

    With one notable exception.
    Christine Nixon.
    I did wonder why the ALPBC was putting the boot into their faithful labrador, Fatty Ashton.
    It is clear now that the tea-leaves are predicting serious shit to come down, so they have circled the wagons around Christine and ALP pollies.
    Fatty and Overland are going under the bus.

  172. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘Kurdish military leader Bedr Khan Beg led two campaigns in 1843 and 1846 against the Assyrian Christians of Hakkari and massacred 50,000 Assyrians in an attempt to Iswaaamicise the region.

    ‘Bedr Khan became King when his brother died. His brother’s son became very upset over this, which the Turks exploited in tricking him into fighting his uncle.

    ‘They told him they would make him King if he defeated Bedr Khan. Bedr Khan’s nephew brought many Kurdish warriors with him to attack his uncle’s forces. After defeating Bedr Khan, Bedr Khan’s nephew was executed instead if becoming King as the Turks had promised.’

    – Meiselas, Susan: Kurdistan: In the Shadow of History (1998), Random House

    Totally trustworthy punters, always looking out for others before themselves.

    Defo worth spending allied money and lives on.

    Oh wait.

  173. Leigh Lowe

    Infidel Tiger

    #3191022, posted on October 22, 2019 at 5:11 pm

    Today is International Stuttering Awareness Day

    Is that far-far-far-far fucking right.
    Sponsored by Arkwright’s Groceries.

  174. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘Arkwright’s Groceries’

    Open All Hours. Great show.

    ‘Der-der-der-double-ber-barreled ber-bog roll, Cyril?’

  175. Don’t thank the humble British grocer entirely my boy, oh no.

    Your late mother’s gentlemen callers all all all all always had something to tip in to you know.

    Usually with her heels above her neck in the backseat of an Austin.

  176. cohenite

    FMD:

    RoP State in Syria plans to boobytrap bras with bombs

    Bastards; why don’t they stick the bombs up their arse or down with their shrivelled nuts.

  177. Helen

    MyDad has bad stutter all his life. He got in big fights over it, after school every day, if he won the butcher would give him a lift back in his van. He was one of the bravest people I knew, even though he might be sick with fear at doing something like riding a colt, he would ride it anyhow. He had a reputation for riding rough horses and the locals would yard their particular evil bastard to try to best him. He told me he would lay awake all night figuring how to ride that horse and the next morning do just that.

    He had a phenomenal memory and was the eternal optimist. Mum had to make him go and do business as he was beginning to be a recluse because of the stutter, from then on he never let it block him. Miss you, Dad.

  178. Leigh Lowe

    The Barking Toad

    #3190914, posted on October 22, 2019 at 2:38 pm

    Magistrate Reynolds, I dips me lid….

    The sons of a Melbourne barrister have been jailed over the brutal bashing of two AFL fans near the MCG despite their pleas to be free on a community-based order.

    Absolute gold!!!
    They have spent months lobbying and negotiating with the DPP (who else gets to negotiate with the Prosecutor?) to get charges reduced so they could be heard in the Magistrates and not the County Court, which dilutes the potential sentences.
    Obviously the magistrate hadn’t read the script (nice suits and haircuts, character references, enrolled in rehab, “heartfelt” apology = no jail time).
    One is appealing the sentence to the County Court and another has withdrawn his appeal temporarily due to “irregularities in the paperwork”.
    Yeah, nah.
    Most dumb-arse reporters missed it, but it seems the magistrate has reminded them of the very reason they were trying to avoid the County Court in the first place. That is, the maximums available are higher and there is a real chance they will get a stiffer sentence on appeal.
    Blokes who kick other blokes in the head need jail time.
    Do not pass Go!

  179. thefrollickingmole

    Bastards; why don’t they stick the bombs up their arse or down with their shrivelled nuts.

    Been done, shitty results…

    https://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/09/world/asia/attacker-in-afghanistan-hid-bomb-in-his-body.html

  180. Bruce of Newcastle

    ‘Kurdish military leader Bedr Khan Beg led two campaigns in 1843 and 1846 against the Assyrian Christians

    Entirely explicable if dad sent him to Eton, like many such guys do. Being called Can Beg for six years would not help one’s temper.

    Then there’s another Kurdish general, Salad In. Can you imagine how cross he’d be being fed nothing but salad whilst fighting all those crusaders? And no booze with his lettuce either.

  181. Nick

    Jeez Australia is a weird place. Yesterday, few, if any comments in the SMH praised the decision to build a new Metro line, quite the opposite. This was from the same group who whines about roads being built, saying that public transport would be a far better solution. Who does the media focus on? Not the benefits of such a railway, but the dirt track racers who will lose their home for two years. FMD.

  182. egg_

    Is their Meghan on the 21-piece KFC bucket diet?

  183. Nick

    I do think they should call the new line MIRTH
    Moving Indians Rapidly Through the Hinterland

  184. Shy Ted

    And on The Dumb – emissions, edumacation, sexist chants. There it is, the trifecta. Pictures of power stations with steam coming out, schoolkids in the sun and school athletes having a jolly good time on a tram. But it’s a nearly all male freakshow panel. 4 minutes past six before I switched channels, a record.

  185. Shy Ted

    One of my favourite rugby coach songs was along the stuttering lines. Bet it doesn’t pass the spaminator but I’ll try

  186. egg_

    I do think they should call the new line MIRTH
    Moving Indians Rapidly Through the Hinterland

    Will they be sitting on the roof?

  187. Tel

    Tulsi Gabbard requests euthanasia by Arkincide.

    If only we had some sensible laws to prevent this sort of thing.

  188. cohenite

    Rand Paul gets stuck into Lindsey Graham’s inaction. Graham is the chair of the Senate Judiciary com and has great power, at least equal to Schiff’s power in the house, but has done nothing for 3 years despite talking tough. Fuck, I hope the swamp has nothing on him although that is being suggested:

    https://noqreport.com/2019/10/22/dear-lindsey-graham-subpoena-spygate-conspirators-step-aside/

  189. Shy Ted

    R sole, R sole, a soldier I would be
    To piss, to piss, 2 pistols at my knee
    F*ck you, f*ck you, for curiosity
    To fight for the old cnut, fight for old cnut, fight for the old country.
    Dead funny for teenagers.

  190. egg_

    Ewwen Fanning looking vewwy serious in her lizard skin suit on Teh Dumb.

  191. Oh come on

    Numpty, you were a part of the anti-war left at the time the refugees started fleeing Vietnam. I didn’t say you were an activist, although perhaps you were. Doesn’t really matter if you were or you weren’t. The point is that it’s clear where your sympathies would have laid at that time.

  192. FMD, their ABC are a tetchy mob.
    I got banned from the Landline page.
    Not only that, some little cow at the ABC went through & carefully one by one deleted all my comments.

    Shut it down. Sack them all.

  193. bespoke

    Sorry sinc. didn’t pick up on the wrong email.

  194. Oh come on

    It’s not healthy for a debate to accuse posters here for being trolls just because one finds their opinion disagreeable.

    That right there has a whiff of trollery about it.

    To be a troll means to be insincere. You wanna accuse me of that? Fine, but bring evidence

    I have. Your Damascene conversion to Team NeverTrump over a relatively minor event in the Trump presidency is Exhibit A.

  195. Top Ender

    I don’t think it’s wise to discuss, or even contemplate speech impediments here.

    Look what happened to these centurions when they did that:

  196. Bruce of Newcastle

    Rand Paul gets stuck into Lindsey Graham’s inaction.

    His old dad has been hitting the keyboard too.

    Ron Paul: Homeschoolers Are Educated, Not Indoctrinated

    The trend toward allowing students to miss school for political protests is an example of how indoctrination in left-wing ideology and politics has replaced actual education in many government schools. Some teachers may have seen their students’ eagerness to show support for authoritarian policies like the “Green New Deal” as confirmation of the teachers’ success in convincing students that the “science is settled” regarding climate change. The truth is that science regarding the causes, extent, and effects of climate change is far from settled. But you won’t learn that in most government schools.

    Misleading students on climate change is far from the only, or even the worst, example of how student education is being shortchanged in order to promote socialism and its cousin, cultural Marxism.

    The point being that public school kids are indoctrinated not educated. Which makes it amusing the new report into NSW teaching out today, which intoned:

    The report, written by Professor Geoff Masters, was highly critical of the current syllabus, particularly what it described as its “crowded nature”.

    “[This] is not conducive to teaching in-depth or helping students see the relevance of what they are learning,” the report said.

    The report also raised concerns about the “lock-step nature” of the curriculum, which the review concluded did not allow for flexibility for teachers to meet the learning needs of all students.

    How dare you make us teach to the ATAR and not have the time we need to lovingly indoctrinate our charges in progressive-green thought!

    What the report seems to have missed is that kids in NSW schools might actually be better off not being taught anything at all, since green-left swill counts as negative learning.

    NSW education interim report finds curriculum too focused on HSC exams

  197. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Stimpy it is very kind of you to be so concerned and helpful. I do know a lot about it all now though, but it is always good to hear from the experience of those who have been there, and emerged. I’m fine myself, sorted out long ago how to have a happy and productive life, fortunately never had a shred of delusional thinking or tropes taking over, and I am well aware that I cannot sort my son out, that is his job, his life’s business and not mine.

    Probably it is best not to speak here of him again. I’ve got heaps of certification on paper in the ‘drug and alcohol’ and ‘suicide prevention’ field, gathered in the line of fire. I did voluntary counselling in this field when I first retired. What will be will be now, with regard to my worrying son. I do what I can, what will be productive, and what will offer out hope and a way forward conditional on his changing, but I can’t make him change until he wants to do so. He’s been to rock bottom before, and has learned little from it. I can now only hope.

  198. I’m trying to cut back on my emissions.

  199. Delcon

    Oh come on
    #3191110, posted on October 22, 2019 at 6:49 pm
    It’s not healthy for a debate to accuse posters here for being trolls just because one finds their opinion disagreeable.

    That right there has a whiff of trollery about it.

    To be a troll means to be insincere. You wanna accuse me of that? Fine, but bring evidence

    I have. Your Damascene conversion to Team NeverTrump over a relatively minor event in the Trump presidency is Exhibit A

    You mean that “relatively minor event” over which Trump was roundly condemned by most of US allies, as well as the Congress not just by Democrats, but also by more than two-thirds of Republicans? OK, then.
    If Trump continues to demonstrate such judgement as he did over that “relatively minor event”, he may as well retire to some nice nursing home instead of getting another stint in the White House.
    And I will not re-iterate my argument, that if you still think that the above suggests I am a troll, why do you debate my opinions as if they were serious?
    Just leave me alone, OCO.

  200. Nick

    How come we don’t see Trans athletes at the Olympics or any other competitions, where the woman has become a man ?

  201. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Blokes who kick other blokes in the head need jail time.
    Do not pass Go!

    Yes. This is not just youthful hi jinx. It is malevolent behavior.
    Even if drunk or on speed there should be some level of inhibition.

  202. bespoke

    You mean that “relatively minor event” over which Trump was roundly condemned by most of US allies, as well as the Congress not just by Democrats, but also by more than two-thirds of Republicans? OK, then.

    So?

  203. zyconoclast

    NSW offers low-income solar homes as City of Sydney inks renewables deal

    The government’s $15 million Solar for Low Income Households trial will provide 3000 eligible homes in five parts of the state – including southern Sydney – with free systems up to 3 kilowatts of capacity each.

    The successful applicants are expected to save more than $300 a year on their power bills and, in total, add more than 8 megawatts of renewable energy to the grid, Energy and Environment Minister Matt Kean said.

    Separately, the City of Sydney has signed agreements to source renewable energy for all of its properties from next July in a move that will also save the council as much as half a million dollars a year over the coming decade.

    he agreement with Flow Power will tap wind farms for 75 per cent of the electricity used by the council’s pools, libraries and other buildings, with solar farms providing the rest.

    Along with the solar panel plan, Mr Kean also announced grants for communities to build resilience to climate change. Applications for the first round, with grants of up to $30,000, are open until the end of next January.

  204. MatrixTransform

    Miss you, Dad

    🙂

  205. Old Lefty

    The ABC gunning for Senator Abetz.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-10-22/tas-liberals-at-war-over-senate-ticket/11628540

    No acknowledgment, of course, that he is one of their most persistent and best informed critics. Conflict of interest at the ABC? Never!

  206. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Women who become men make fairly pathetic men. Never much strong and hairy.

    Men who become women gain tits but keep [email protected] And adrenals. And muscle bulk.
    You don’t have to have much backed up testosterone to beat female levels of it.

    Current lab levels of circulating hormones are not the whole hormonal story. It has history.

  207. MatrixTransform

    Just leave me alone, OCO.

    yeah, stop trolling the troll ya bully

  208. MatrixTransform

    beating the tits off the female athletes

    momentous day, its a win for female athletes world wide

    when they can carry my tool bag, they can run the show

  209. Mitch M.

    Men who become women gain tits but keep [email protected] And adrenals. And muscle bulk.
    You don’t have to have much backed up testosterone to beat female levels of it.

    Current lab levels of circulating hormones are not the whole hormonal story. It has history.

    Yep, T is what builds muscle and subsequent bone and tendon strength. They should be banned from competitive sports. What is happening is ridiculous and a denial of biology.

  210. feelthebern

    Quality Chappelle.

  211. Delcon

    bespoke
    #3191123, posted on October 22, 2019 at 7:11 pm

    You mean that “relatively minor event” over which Trump was roundly condemned by most of US allies, as well as the Congress not just by Democrats, but also by more than two-thirds of Republicans? OK, then.

    So?

    So, one can hardly argue that all of the critics of Trump’s decision to withdraw from Syria, both intentionally among some previously-staunch allies, as well as domestically among a majority of Republicans were only ever pretending to support Trump, just based on the argument that it is inconsistent to have been a Trump supporter in the past and still now criticise him.
    Yet, that is the point that our resident troll-detecting genius Oh come on claims:
    So are we ready to call Delcon a verified troll? It’s pretty clear his ‘I used to be a rock-ribbed Trump supporter’ carry-on is a load of horse manure.
    So, two things:
    1. I would suggest that it is ridiculous for Oh come on to decide I must be a “fake” Trump supporter, as that will mean all the governments, including of staunch allies of the US and most Republicans, are all secretly Democrats’, or, at least, Never-Trumpers.
    2. And that was my main point, actually: if that fool Oh come on still insists that I am a liar and I am just trolling and was always a Never-Trumper, why does he earlier argue with my positions. As a troll, surely, my positions are just argued for the sake of annoying people who, unlike the genius Oh come on, cannot tell that I am actually a troll.

  212. mh

    Delcon, what gave you the idea that posting on political blogs was your thing?

    You’re crap at this.

  213. Delcon

    mh
    #3191143, posted on October 22, 2019 at 7:34 pm
    Delcon, what gave you the idea that posting on political blogs was your thing?

    You’re crap at this

    I must confess that when I see how well-argued my critics are, I have serious self-doubt attacks.
    Thanks for setting such glowing example for my benefit as to how proper posting on political blogs should be done, mh.

  214. Tel

    You’re crap at this

    He’s more coherent than Iampeter, and a bit sharper than Monty.

  215. MatrixTransform

    1. I would suggest that it is ridiculous for …
    2. And that was my main point, actually: …

    you bleat too much

    What you really said was (and I’m paraphrasing) Trump is an uninformed tosser making a big mistake and everybody whit disagrees with me is an ignorant arsehole.

    you dug this hole with yr mouth.

  216. MatrixTransform

    I must confess that when I see how well-argued my critics are

    mate, nobody wants to argue with you because yr being a biatch

  217. bespoke

    I still don’t get it Delcon, Trump has done many things against staunch ‘allies’ wishes and using them as an authority is meh! What matters it the reasoning behind it. More so is the ones that don’t mirror the tired old neo-con talking points.

  218. MatrixTransform

    He’s more coherent than Iampeter

    YouWontBelieveItsNotPeter

  219. mh

    He’s more coherent than Iampeter, and a bit sharper than Monty.

    Fair point.

  220. Geriatric Mayfly

    I guess it’s a poor consolation prize, but surely the girl that comes second to tranny faux womyn will have some feeling of achievement, if not top spot on the podium. A lot of athletes who compete fairly within their gender boundaries go on to win lucrative endorsements, sponsorships and advertising gigs. The thought of these imposters and charlatans doing likewise is repellent.

  221. DrBeauGan

    Delcon, you are arguing that Trump did the wrong thing by abandoning Kurd allies. The counter argument that the Kurds were never allies, just temporarily sharing a common enemy, has been offered in reply. You have never addressed this, just complained about being called rude names.

    This isn’t worth taking seriously.

  222. Shy Ted

    Put down any drink you’re holding. Empty your mouth of any food. Now don’t go the link, don’t scroll down to the skull and crossbones and don’t click on it.

  223. cohenite

    He’s more coherent than Iampeter, and a bit sharper than Monty.

    But fading fast; this self-pity mode it’s now in is getting a bit tiresome.

  224. Delcon

    bespoke
    #3191149, posted on October 22, 2019 at 7:48 pm
    I still don’t get it Delcon, Trump has done many things against staunch ‘allies’ wishes and using them as an authority is meh! What matters it the reasoning behind it. More so is the ones that don’t mirror the tired old neo-con talking points

    My point here has nothing to do anymore with whether Trump did the right/wrong thing with his decision, and everything to do with the level of discourse on this blog.
    It is fine for posters to argue for/against Trump’s decision, or, alternatively decide not to engage some posters, such as myself, in the topic.
    What I am unimpressed is by people, instead of debating me, or, if they wish, ignoring me, both of which are fine by me, accusing me of being a troll. This is done, at best, out of intellectual laziness, but it reflects on my honesty, and I am less than impressed by those posters. I will not name these posters… Oh, OK, if you insist, I will: IT, Oh come on, jupes, Knucklehead, MatrixOfStupidity, Frank Walker have all accused me of just trolling here because I post opinions they disagree with. They are at best intellectually lazy, and, at worst, just nasty pieces of work.

  225. Cassie of Sydney

    “The counter argument that the Kurds were never allies, just temporarily sharing a common enemy, has been offered in reply.”

    That is my understanding of the situation. And over the years I have spoken to many Armenians, Georgians, Mizrachi Jooo and Assyrian Christians…and they have nothing good so say about the Kurds……they hate them….not to be trusted.

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