Open Forum: November 2, 2019

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  1. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Snap, Cassie. 😀

    I missed the Bolt Report last nite, but thoroughly agree with that sentiment.
    Hope you have a good Cup Day at work, and they are not too PC about it.

  2. Tintarella di Luna

    This is a Ted Talk by Philip K Howard who set up a group called Common Good in the US – applies here and pretty much across western democracies which have become captive to out of control and unaccountable bureaucracies, notwithstanding it was make in 2010 – it’s only got worse:

  3. Shy Ted

    Much has been said about it but if any Cats didn’t catch at least a few minutes of Q&A last night, you really should. It’s a Barnum & Bailey production. Particularly the intro where the camera scans over the audience. I’ll have to watch it again to make sure but every audience member looked like every other audience member and clapped overenthusiastically in concert.

  4. Percy Popinjay

    Krudelkers – as staggeringly unfunny as ever.

  5. Percy Popinjay

    if any Cats didn’t catch at least a few minutes of Q&A last night, you really should

    Ah, yeah, no. If want to look at vegetables I’ll go to the grocer’s.

  6. A Lurker

    Perhaps someone can help me out? In the distant past ABC radio used to broadcast a comedy version of the Melbourne Cup race call. The last horse was Beeblebox or somesuch name. Does anyone recollect it or does it exist on You Tube? Thanks in advance.

  7. Cassie of Sydney

    “Hope you have a good Cup Day at work, and they are not too PC about it.”

    Thanks Lizzie…and I hope you also have a good day. My firm is becoming increasingly PC by the day but we are still having Melbourne Cup drinks today so I shall make the most of it before the far left vegans that are currently swamping our HR department finally takes the axe to Melbourne Cup.

    One day we older Australians will convene covertly and secretly reminisce amongst ourselves by telling stories and sagas about an Australia that once was……..a country of laughter and larrikins.

    Once upon a time in Australia.

  8. Fair shake of the Sauce bottle

    Those poor horses. Perhaps a better end for them would be to treat them humanely, like putting them into our Aged Care System. Oh wait ..

  9. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    What a sour-faced lot of Brits Bright has drawn, Tom, to listen to his anti Boris-on-the-stump toon.
    Remainers all, quite obviously. Very little sense of any wider perspective there.

    Thanks again for bring back the Tom Toons intro to the day. Appreciated by many.

  10. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Take a few delicious meat party pies to offer those HR Vegans, Cassie.
    In honour of Old Australia. And don’t forget the tomato sauce. 🙂

  11. Farmer Gez

    I reckon Q&A should be shown in every classroom and home in Australia Shy Ted.
    The incoherent freak show doesn’t get enough airing in my opinion. Most folks don’t watch and have no idea how mentally disturbed the progressive left are.

  12. Eyrie

    “Where will it end?”
    Cassie, yes indeed. Next thing you’ll be banned from climbing Ayer’s Rock.

  13. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    every audience member looked like every other audience member and clapped overenthusiastically in concert.

    Wot, no jazz hands? They must still be following the North Korean clapping instructions of clap till you drop and first person to stop gets it in the neck.

  14. A Lurker

    @ Confused Old Misfit

    Thanks! 😀

  15. Megan

    Tom’s Toons are back! Thanks for persisting with your battle against the technical troublemakers, Tom. My mornings have brightened again.

  16. JC

    This is great.

    U.S. will withdraw from Paris climate agreement, Trump administration says on first day it can give official notice

    Trump is god.

  17. Percy Popinjay

    One day we older Australians will convene covertly and secretly reminisce amongst ourselves by telling stories and sagas about an Australia that once was……..a country of laughter and larrikins.

    As soon as an email notice had gone out to staff in our office about a Mosquebourne Cup lunch, a fat collectivist twat sent an email out to everyone about the Cup being little more than an institutionalised animal cruelty fest.

    They really are such crushing sanctimonious bores.

    BTW, this is a twat who can’t stop whingeing about Brexit (he lived in the UK for several decades). I had to pointedly remind him that advocating for the state to disregard the will of the electorate was little more than being cool with totalitarian tyranny (BIRM).

  18. stackja

    Police hunt for gunman after Winston Hills home shooting

    A sleepy Western Sydney street woke to a barrage of bullets overnight after a gunman fired multiple times into a home before fleeing the suburb.
    Georgia Clark, The Daily Telegraph
    Subscriber only

    November 5, 2019 8:11am

    The home’s resident was not injured during the shooting. Picture: Bill Hearne

    Police are on the hunt for a mystery gunman after shots were fired into a home in Sydney’s northwest early on Tuesday.

    A Winston Hills man was left fearing for his life after the shooter went on a rampage outside his home around 3:45am.

  19. Percy Popinjay

    I reckon Q&A should be shown in every classroom and home in Australia

    And renamed 60 Minutes Hate.

    I’d be screeching at the telescreen, but for all the wrong reasons.

  20. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Tom’s link to the Melbourne Cup Day anthem of past good times when all Australia stopped showed much beautiful horseflesh. The horse and humans have a long, long history together. Epona, the horse goddess, pervaded Indo-European consciousness, and horses today still form part of a crucial cultural link with the past. Think of the white horses of the Camargue flowing wraith-like through the wild landscape, protected even today by their nominated human “Guardians” in black hats; think of the riders of Mongolia and the other Steppes across the top of Europe, thundering down to create eventually the Chevalier knightly culture of the Arthurian legends in the rise of Europe; think of the workhorses of the West’s pre-Industrial era, the energy source of human economic development. Modern racing is an honour to these beasts, a reminder of their power and strength, and past place in the scheme of things. Animals have a place in our lives and in our food chain. Humane treatment, yes, protection of habitat, yes, but a misplace sanctity by making them more than us by a diminution of our past and heritage, no.

  21. calli

    Good grief. Forced to change behind the bushes. Forced!

    Mercifully they weren’t forced to use a unisex bathroom.

  22. Knuckle Dragger

    Cool and constant rain in Darwin. First since April.

    Happy days.

  23. Geriatric Mayfly

    I read all the Cat comments last night during that mare’s nest of vacuity called Q&A . Although highly entertained by the scarifying jabs at the panel of ratbags assembled, I failed to note even one second’s sombre pause in the onslaught to honour and respect the memory of Tanya’s mum. For Shame.

    ‘Racism caused our mum’s death’
    A question from Tanya Day’s daughter brought the Q&A panel to a sombre stop on Monday night.

  24. Des Deskperson

    ‘As soon as an email notice had gone out to staff in our office about a Mosquebourne Cup lunch, a fat collectivist twat sent an email out to everyone about the Cup being little more than an institutionalised animal cruelty fest.’

    Dunno where your work, Percy but in the APS, using your employer’s email to circulate your personal socio/political views in that manner would be a disciplinary matter.

  25. Boambee John

    Des D

    Any thoughts on tbe DepSec in AG’s and whether she will receive even a rap on tbe knuckles for her arrogant letters to TA and the other bloke?

  26. Knuckle Dragger

    Bob Katter has been in public life, freakin’ obviously, for decades. As such, he well appreciates the visual impact he can bring to the table to accentuate the points he’s making. Such as the big hat, etc.

    Also, he has great big gnarled chief stockman’s hands. Which he uses to great effect by making sure at least one of his mitts is in shot and waving about when making a point on the teev. Great marketing, appeals to country folk, symbolic of hard work (whether he’s actually done any or not) and all that sort of thing.

    Bob was on the telly just now doing a standup with Ms Hanson. Standard stuff; big hat, checked shirt, weatherbeaten head, big rough dinner plate hands emphasising his points. Terrific stuff.

    Except – Bob. If you really have to write talking points on the palms of your hands in texta to stay ‘on message’, you might just want to adjust the number of times you want to wave them at the camera.

    Otherwise you’ll just look like a cock.

  27. MatrixTransform

    Sometimes I miss living in Kensington. Spring Racing always bought the best scenery.

    One memorable morning at about 10am a bunch of frocked up 25 year olds wandered past my place on the way to the stock route and off towards the track. Champagne bottles and tinnies.
    Dunno why they weren’t on the train but whatever.

    I’m doing a good clean of the house and the front door is wide open and next thing there’s this sheila in the hallway offering me 20 bucks if she can use the dunny.

    I let her keep the 20 and wander to the front gate to chat with her drunken friends while she took a slash.

    a few minutes later she emerges with a roar, “I couldn’t find any toiler paper so I tore off a page of the Women’s Weekly. I love Ita Buttrose”

    She’s standing there with her fishnets pulled over her undies but she’s forgotten to untuck her frock which half under the stockings but most of it is flowering out around her waist like tutu.

    Her friends are embarrassed for her but she’s clueless to it all.

    a drunken ballerina off to the races.

    very elegant.

    nice arse

  28. Beertuk

    Where will it end?

    It won’t. After the Ayers Rock victory the noises are now getting louder about closing Mt Warning to hikers:

    Mt Warning next on climb chopping block
    Activists who’ve campaigned for years to end climbing at Mt Warning saying the recent closure of Uluru has given them the momentum they need to make it happen.A RENEWED push to close northern NSW hiking attraction Mt Warning to climbers has flared up in the days following Uluru’s closure to climbers.
    Mt Warning, also known as Wollumbin, in the Tweed region is considered a sacred site for the Bundjalung people – and they have been campaigning for years to stop the 100,000 or so people a year from climbing it.
    Bundjalung Elder Robert Corowa said the recent closure of Uluru had given them the momentum they need to make it happen.
    “I am very motivated by what I’ve seen at Uluru,” Mr Corowa said.
    “We’ve been trying to pull the chains down and stop people climbing it for years … it’s probably one of the main sites in the Bundjalung nation.”
    Mr Corowa said he does not even visit the mountain as seeing people “desecrating” the sacred site is too upsetting.
    “I’m ashamed to go there,” he said. “It makes me really sad to watch people climbing it. I don’t want to let people think they’ve got the right.
    “Money and greed is the main factor for desecration of sacred sites.”
    However, as Mount Warning is one of the main tourist attractions in the Tweed region, Mount Warning Rainforest Park manager Mark Bourchier said he was concerned closing it to climbers would have a detrimental impact on local tourism.
    “If we go shutting the mountain, I can see there would be way less visitors to the area,” Mr Bourchier said.
    Long-serving Tweed Shire Councillor Warren Polglase said the argument to close Mount Warning had been coming up in council for years, but said he believed serious action may now be taken, after the closure of Uluru.
    Linky

    The Grampians have now got restrictions as well.

  29. Des Deskperson

    ‘Any thoughts on tbe DepSec in AG’s and whether she will receive even a rap on tbe knuckles for her arrogant letters to TA and the other bloke?’

    John, I’ve been travelling for bit and haven’t picked up on this, I’d be grateful for any details.

    In the meantime. the Canberra Times – paywall protected – is reporting that a DEP SEC in the ‘corporate’ area of Treasury is ‘on leave while he is under investigation’. Few further details are available from Treasury.

    Unless this person is actually sacked, we probably won’t hear any more about it.

  30. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Top Ender, just scrolled back and caught your comments re ‘The King’ movie and its depiction of the battle of Agincourt. I take your historical points and will also discuss them with the Hairy Ape, who is a real-battle fan similar to yourself, who was also doing a little nit-picking during our viewing.

    Me? I favour mythic battles, battles that capture the sense of being there and the purpose of the conflict in terms of the times and particularly of the later myths that develop around a given battle, so I don’t object to changes, exaggerations, and other fiddling with the facts in order to present a good story.

    Christopher Snyder is a serious historian of early Dark Age Britain, and has published extensively on this. He is also on numerous editorial committees as a genuine academic historian. Nevertheless, while never going beyond reasoned historical analysis, and thus putting King Arthur firmly into myth, Snyder is obsessed with the glory of the Arthurian mythology. His book ‘Exploring the World of King Arthur’ is a good ‘beginner’s book’ on the history of it, but also of the mythology. In this book are so many magnificent illustrations, from the medieval manuscripts to the Victorian pre-Raphaelite paintings about the Arthurian Romantic Corpus, full of fair maidens, drifting Graels, and handsome Lancelots in armor; also in a double page spread is a reproduction of Gustave Dore’s “Merlin and the Child Arthur”, the religious mythology enshrined in dark mysterious topographic lithograph, as redolent of wondrous things any work of William Blake’s. History was brutal, its battles real, noisy and awful, full of bloodthirsty fury and thunder, but the mythologies are sounds of human hope.

  31. John64

    No coincidence surely; but the 8:30am show on TheirABC Melbourne Radio isn’t broadcasting from Flemington this morning for the first time that I can remember.

    A statement by the Collective or a “you’re not welcome” from the VRC?

    A desultory La Trioli expressed her relief that this year she wasn’t required to be down trackside freezing her vinegar tits off.

  32. Knuckle Dragger

    Ms Chidgey should be making her first appearance in her travelling roadshow later this morning.

    Roped to a post on a flatbed, dressed in an empty wheat bag and providing target practice for the citizenry who wish to improve their aim with durry butts, used beer cans and condoms full of other people’s vomit.

    Before making a tearful apology to the Australian public, beamed live into every pub in the country along with her personal mobile number and Faceache handle.

    And then handed a notice advising her start date in her new gig, as Centrelink customer service manager in Port Hedland.

  33. Eyrie

    “Centrelink customer service manager in Port Hedland.”
    Something wrong with Hall’s Creek, KD?

  34. Top Ender

    Mmmm, fantasy stuff Lizzie – you can keep it. Don’t mind the Narnia stories but that’s as far as it goes.

  35. Mark A

    John64
    #3202082, posted on November 5, 2019 at 9:38 am

    No coincidence surely; but the 8:30am show on TheirABC Melbourne Radio isn’t broadcasting from Flemington this morning for the first time that I can remember.

    John, maybe it’s changed in latter years since I moved overseas, but from the 90s at least, J Faine did his stint from Flemington every year.
    Complete with race analysis and all.

  36. Knuckle Dragger

    It’s got a creek somewhere nearby, Eyrie.

    Too scenic for the likes of her.

  37. Mark A

    PS, It would be a shame if they stopped.

  38. “Beertuk
    #3202075, posted on November 5, 2019 at 9:18 am
    Where will it end?

    It won’t. “

    I know.

  39. Leigh Lowe

    John, I’ve been travelling for bit and haven’t picked up on this, I’d be grateful for any details.

    In Oz a couple of days ago.
    There is legislation requiring people to register if they are agents/ lobbyists for a foreign power (ie PJK, Dastardly Sam etc).
    Some diversitu hire xunt sent Tony a letter asking him to register because he was speaking at a Conservative conference.
    Apart from anything else, the dickhead public servant needs to be grilled about what “foreign power” she thought was involved, and on what basis (the conference was an entirely private event).

  40. Mother Lode

    8th Dan
    #3201929, posted on November 5, 2019 at 12:13 am
    ps, Rex. Only one “c” in “doco”.

    Also in ‘unt’.

    Just sayin’.

  41. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    TE, if there ever was a huge and serious Battle of Badon in ‘the age of Arthur’, and I have my doubts about this although no doubts at all about the Battle of Arthurydd, then the impact of Badon as a battle has never been better imagined than in Bernard Cornwell’s vision of Arthur as the lost and never-was ‘Winter King’ in the third book of his Arthurian trilogy, that deals with the likely mythical battles of both Badon and Camlann; this latter being Tennyson’s vision of Arthur’s end:

    Nor ever yet had Arthur fought a fight Like this last, dim, weird battle of the west. A deathwhite mist slept over sand and sea: Whereof the chill, to him who breathed it, drew Down with his blood, till all his heart was cold With formless fear; and even on Arthur fell Confusion, since he saw not whom he fought.

  42. John64

    Mark A
    #3202086, posted on November 5, 2019 at 9:43 am

    Spot on Mark – my memory is of Jon Paine broadcasting trackside from Flemington on Melbourne Cup Day every year.

    La Trioli ain’t there this year.

  43. Farmer Gez

    Agincourt was a famous English victory but one sided slaughters were no uncommon in a period of incessant wars.
    The deliberate murder of surrendered French nobles by Henry was more notable in European courts. It was an appalling breach of chivalry.
    Henry’s only excuse was that the number of prisoners was a danger to his smaller force when the Duke of Burgundy arrived late on the day to bolster the French.
    His act was grossly cruel in an age when captured nobility were often released on their word that they would present themselves for ransom after the battle.

  44. feelthebern

    ML, as Kenny Powers said:
    “There’s no I in TEAM, but there’s a U in C*NT”.

  45. Beertruk

    A Lurker
    #3202047, posted on November 5, 2019 at 8:36 am

    I remember it as well.
    Here you go, Lurker:

    Spike Jones Beetlebaum

  46. Knuckle Dragger

    Well.

    Two inches of wet stuff since just before dawn. Enough to soak straight through the topsoil, and of course fill up the Northern Mouse Spider and scorpion burrows. They’ll be out and about (especially the bloke mousies, as it’s the start of the mating season and they’re looking for a punch on over the ladeeees).

    This will provide a feed for the plovers, as well as the rats and cats (feral and domestic) and brown snakes and taipans. Naturally, the pythons will drop from the tress onto the rats and cats, of whom a percentage will themselves be disturbed and chewed on mid-feed by passing Bull Arabs and pigs. The kites (aka shithawks) and battalions of meat ants will take care of the remains.

    ‘Straya!

  47. Knuckle Dragger

    *trees*

    Dislodging the bats as they drop.

  48. cohenite

    John, I’ve been travelling for bit and haven’t picked up on this, I’d be grateful for any details.

    This sums up the bullshit:

    https://www.facebook.com/dallas.beaufort.71/posts/145334980180779

  49. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Gotta go do my hair and choose a hat.

    Tom, that video of Cup Day had an ad prior to it showing fat ladies pulling on tight Lycra panties to ‘smooth out’ the bumps under their dressing up outfits. A complete lie, that sales pitch by the way, for women as fat as those were. No lycra is going to help that.

    I have eschewed alcohol for a month now and have to check a dress I’ve always liked which I now think is wearable; no bumps at all! And never any Lycra. If you have some nice clothes, then there is definitely an impetus to be able to zip them up. Time for some champagne now!! Did have a glass two weeks ago at my own arvo tea, but that doesn’t count. Like chocolate at Easter and anything eaten at Christmas.

  50. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘the dickhead public servant needs to be grilled about what “foreign power” she thought was involved’

    I’m not an unqualified Abbott fan, but in this circumstance he should just have said ‘England’ and then invited her to a display of equalideeee that would have ended very badly for Mzzz Chidgey.

  51. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    It was an appalling breach of chivalry.

    Certainly was. Arthurian-induced chivalric behavior was the glue that stopped complete anarchy in medieval times. Henry’s action branded the English as uncivilized and uncouth in continental eyes; the Brits have lived with that branding ever since: witness the behavior of the EU plutocrats towards the English parliamentary representatives. Boris is seen as half-educated and half-civilized, and he played on that.

  52. I have just entered the office sweep on our floor. The two people who are doing the sweep told me that they have already encountered a few people on the floor protesting about the cup and that they are refusing to participate in the sweep.

    Don’t you just love the left? They malign everything that makes people happy, they fuck up everything that makes people happy and they destroy everything that makes people happy. They really are the most miserable, sour and po-faced group of people ever to have walked this planet. I give it less than five years (and maybe that’s too generous) and the Melbourne Cup sweep will be banned from my organisation.

  53. Geriatric Mayfly

    I bet she will be there today. “Place jockey on scale, place jockey on scale, place jockey on scale…”

  54. cohenite

    Interesting, short video about the Durham appointment and the preparatory work in the DoJ for that with a nice little pat for Sessions.

    https://videos.whatfinger.com/2019/11/04/declassified-is-john-durham-ready-for-the-job-lets-look-at-the-man/

  55. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Mmmm, fantasy stuff Lizzie – you can keep it

    Don’t get me wrong, TE. When it comes to Arthur, I have no truck with the historicization of that ‘King’. I stick very much to what can be assessed by textual interrogation of the sources, which is that Arthur was a mythic figure. I think too that your friend Christopher Gidlow does not interrogate these sources in the light of much recent work both textually, and from other sources such as linguistics and archaeology. In fact, as my Quadrant article in 2018 shows, I believe that the mythic figure of Odin lies behind it all. There is so much real evidence to suggest this is the basis for the name and the ensuing religious conflict over father gods during both early and later Roman periods in Britain.

    But like Snyder, I do love the associated mythic and cultural baggage that has grown up from this early historical situation.

  56. Some History

    Nice piece on the derangement that is Pirate Pete. Video length ~ 7 minutes

    Peter FitzSimons has a consistent desire to be woke

    https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/national/peter-fitzsimons-has-a-consistent-desire-to-be-woke/video/faa20a0313ed1877bd5f247cdb511295

  57. Beertruk

    I give it less than five years (and maybe that’s too generous) and the Melbourne Cup sweep will be banned from my organisation.

    Do what I used to do when I left the ADF and started work with the civys. Take a half day annual leave and head off to the pubtab with a few mates.

  58. Des Deskperson

    ‘In Oz a couple of days ago.
    There is legislation requiring people to register if they are agents/ lobbyists for a foreign power (ie PJK, Dastardly Sam etc).’

    Thanks.LL, I’ve now also read the op/ed in this morning’s Oz.

    Prima facie, the Foreign Influence Transparency Scheme Act does seem have given APS employees very wide powers indeed, that seem to have been exercised in a clumsy and heavy-handed way.

    Whether these powers are being deliberately used by lefty bureaucrats to specifically target conservatives – as was done by the US IRS ui 2013 – is another matter altogether. Acceding to the Oz op/ed – written by an IPA research fellow – 500 AGs letters have been sent out individuals and organisations asking them to consider whether they need to register under the Scheme. There is no evidence yet that conservative addressees are over-represented in this process.

  59. notafan

    Can I just point out the obvious, again

    Ruby Hamad is white

    Lebanese do not, generally speaking, claim to be brown.

    ruby baby

  60. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    ooooh. Bit of a tummy bump still. Four children though, and a life of indulgence, gotta take some pain for that. Women were never meant to have those empty flat tummies anyway. As Hairy say, as long as you have a waist and hip outline to run hands over, you’re good. And the PT’s above it all of course. 🙂

    Owww. Don’t hit me with opprobrium now. This is my life and I tell it just as others may relate theirs. Fitbits to the bathroom, indeed. To each their own, and live and let live, I say. 🙂

  61. Rex Mango

    Just out of bed as took day off work. Couldn’t face those PC vegan flogs in the office today. ABC RN has gone all Melb Cup radio silence. How bizarre. Listening to Ray Hadley on 2GB instead. Just gave Michael Walker a big rap on Prince of Arran. Agree with that, good jockey due for a win in the Cup.

    Now with all this anti Melb Cup vibe about, here is perfect chance for Morrison to wedge the wowsers and announce Melb Cup Day as a national public holiday that replaces Australia Day. That would twist those PC idiots in knots as the intersectionalised racing v racism.

  62. Boambee John

    Des Deskperson
    #3202079, posted on November 5, 2019 at 9:29 am
    ‘Any thoughts on tbe DepSec in AG’s and whether she will receive even a rap on tbe knuckles for her arrogant letters to TA and the other bloke?’

    John, I’ve been travelling for bit and haven’t picked up on this, I’d be grateful for any details.

    Des

    Check out the Tony Abbott is a treasonous commie thread for the details. She seems to have decided, perhaos to discredit the legislation, perhaps for ideological reasons, to take a hyper partisan approach.

  63. cohenite

    New law in qld:

    Take, for instance, the legislation that has been recently passed by the Queensland State Government regarding the Great Barrier Reef. This legislation has used “erroneous” science to cripple agriculture along the coast of Queensland, extending inland many hundreds of kilometres to “save the reef”. Huge fines will be levied upon farmers if they break any of the new rules. For instance, every farmer without an accredited ERMP is liable to be fined up to $78,330 for allowing leaves, bark and animal manure to enter the creeks and rivers. I kid you not, this is part of this legislation! How can farmers who are so few in numbers — less than 87,000 Australia wide, down from 340,000 producers 35 years ago, stand against this type attack? Criminal convictions are recorded, and huge fines levied, if found guilty of feeding livestock mulga, which is a natural fodder tree, during drought. Trees on private property are no longer the assets of the landowner, but rather are seized assets of the state through the Vegetation Management Legislation.

  64. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Sister of slain I# leader al-Baghdadi captured, says Turkey
    By Sarah El Deeb
    November 5, 2019 — 9.50am

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    Beirut: Turkey has captured the elder sister of the slain leader of the I###### State group in northwestern Syria, according to a senior Turkish official, who called the arrest an intelligence “gold mine”.

    Little is known about the sister of Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi. The Turkish official said the 65-year-old known as Rasmiya Awad is suspected of being affiliated with the extremist group. He did not elaborate.

    Awad was captured in a raid in Monday evening on a trailer container she was living in with her family near the town of Azaz in Aleppo province.

    Sydney Morning Herald.

  65. EvilElvis

    This will provide a feed for the plovers, as well as the rats and cats (feral and domestic) and brown snakes and taipans. Naturally, the pythons will drop from the tress onto the rats and cats, of whom a percentage will themselves be disturbed and chewed on mid-feed by passing Bull Arabs and pigs. The kites (aka shithawks) and battalions of meat ants will take care of the remains.

    And yet, in this time of plenty, no sighting or word of the elegant, ex-showgirl attire wearing, retired dressage horse. Where do they go? What do they do? Will no one think of them, gayly prancing, suited ponce astride. 😪

  66. hzhousewife

    I have just entered the office sweep on our floor. The two people who are doing the sweep told me that they have already encountered a few people on the floor protesting about the cup and that they are refusing to participate in the sweep.

    Will they congregate around the device when the race is run, or sit at their desks po-faced and refuse to listen to the squeals of delights and clapping coming from the “out crowd”?

  67. Miltonf

    Marxists don’t like productive people. These attacks on agriculture (or mining or manufacturing) are to destroy the economy. The environment is just a front.

  68. Mother Lode

    As soon as an email notice had gone out to staff in our office about a Mosquebourne Cup lunch, a fat collectivist twat sent an email out to everyone about the Cup being little more than an institutionalised animal cruelty fest.

    So, horses are animals that have evolved over aeons like all others. They have instincts and appetites that have developed in concert.

    Horses in nature run, eat, amble, rut, and sleep. They are also prey to disease, injury, unreliable resources guarded by other animals, and so on. Running would be not only a sign of health, but a condition of health.

    A race horse is fed regularly, sheltered, watched for physical health, spared the elements. It is trained until it is in peak condition.

    So when a horse runs a race (bearing in mind that a horse would not understand a race, merely that it is running with other horses), is it actually cruelty, or is it just a chance to be horse like?

    I will wager that the texting twat projects her own ideas onto other creatures and thinks a horses idea of paradise would be to lie about in pasture watching TV explosively discharging satanic gasses from its horsehole.

  69. EvilElvis

    I have just entered the office sweep on our floor.

    Damn! And the cleaner is good with this? I’ve got to get me an office job.

  70. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘I will wager that the texting twat projects her own ideas onto other creatures and thinks a horses idea of paradise would be to lie about in pasture watching TV explosively discharging satanic gasses from its horsehole.’

    Rather than limping cataract-ridden through scrub, damaged from split mulga stump damage to hooves and being eaten from the inside out by a steadily increasing parasite load until it is chased down and partially eaten while alive by packs of roaming dogs.

  71. Shy Ted

    There’s this headline in Breitbart – UK: National Health Service to Deny Treatment for ‘Racist or Sexist Language, Gestures, Behaviour’. Within the article there’s this line – For example, in late 2017 an NHS patient who requested a female nurse to carry out a cervical smear complained when the hospital sent a person with “an obviously male appearance… close-cropped hair, a male facial appearance and voice, large number of tattoos and facial stubble” who insisted “My gender is not male. I’m a transsexual”.
    Words fail me.

  72. Tintarella di Luna

    There’s this headline in Breitbart – UK: National Health Service to Deny Treatment for ‘Racist or Sexist Language, Gestures, Behaviour’. Within the article there’s this line – For example, in late 2017 an NHS patient who requested a female nurse to carry out a cervical smear complained when the hospital sent a person with “an obviously male appearance… close-cropped hair, a male facial appearance and voice, large number of tattoos and facial stubble” who insisted “My gender is not male. I’m a transsexual”.

    If the government of Britain and starve an infant to death, its agents can do anything

  73. areff

    Have this neo-wowsers considered that horses do rather well out of racing, as Darwin would note? Their numbers are legion because of the compact with humans.

    If we raced koalas there would be no talk of them being endangered.

  74. Top Ender

    The cost of entering Uluru-Kata Tjuta National Park could rise by up to 52 per cent under proposed changes from Parks Australia.

    Just one week after the Uluru climb permanently closed, Parks Australia has informed tourism operators new park fees will come into effect from November 1, 2020.

    In an email to tourism operators seen by the ABC, the cost of entry for visitors over 18 and Northern Territory residents will increase, but children, motorcycles and Yulara residents will be able to enter the park free of charge.

    Annual vehicle entry for NT-registered vehicles will increase from $65 to $109.

    An adult three-day pass will increase from $25 to $38 and annual adult passes will rise from $32.50 to $50.

    Link

  75. Knuckle Dragger

    Didn’t watch Q&A last night. As is my custom.

    But I’m starting to wish I had. One of the panellists:

    ‘Nayuka Gorrie is a Kurnai/Gunai, Gunditjmara, Wiradjuri, and Yorta Yorta writer. Gorrie’s work explores black, queer and feminist politics.’

    Mx Gorrie (who according to her image is going hard for Movember, bless her cotton socks) apparently had this to say:

    ‘I wonder what our kind of tipping point in Australia’s going to be when people will start burning stuff? I look forward to it.

    ‘We’ve tried for 230-plus years to appeal to the colonisers’ morality, which just doesn’t seem to exist. I think violence is OK because if someone is trying to kill you, there’s no amount of, ‘But I’m really clever. I’m really articulate’. No amount of that is going to save you. Let’s burn stuff.’

    Aside from making the observations that a glance at her abovementioned visage Gorrie would confirm her obvious inability to inflict violence on anyone or anything, or that her stated societal views and preferences would have had her legs broken and left to die looking at spinifex in her tribal utopia, she appears to be chewing vigorously on the many hands that feed her.

  76. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘Annual vehicle entry for NT-registered vehicles will increase from $65 to $109.
    An adult three-day pass will increase from $25 to $38 and annual adult passes will rise from $32.50 to $50.’

    Snicker.

    The destruction of NT tourism just has to be an intended consequence for these halfwits. There’s no other explanation.

    Mum, Dad, two kids. Weekend looking at a canyon and gum trees. On top of the expense of getting there in the first place, $239.00. Clearly, this is a long term plan for gummint subsidies to keep half a dozen halfie Parks punters out of Centrelink.

  77. Infidel Tiger

    ABC RN has gone all Melb Cup radio silence.

    Most egalitarian day on the calendar and guess who hates it?

    The Bugmen.

  78. Infidel Tiger

    Can understand why the wosers hate race day.

    This is Luke Nolen being interviewed on his preparation for the day:

    We asked the jockeys of their breakfast plans today, and there were some eye-raising responses – not least from the man who made his name aboard Black Caviar.

    LUKE NOLEN: No. I’m pretty old — I’m not like some of these newer trendy blokes. It’s normally a swaggie’s breakfast (so a) a smoke, a piss and a look around.

  79. Mother Lode

    Sister of slain I# leader al-Baghdadi captured, says Turkey
    By Sarah El Deeb
    November 5, 2019 — 9.50am

    I wish to extend my condolences to the Left in general and the SMH in particular.

    Doubtless another austere religious scholar snatched from her ascetic life of pious meditation to be wheeled around like a freak in nasty nasty Trump’s triumphal cavalcade.

    Is there no end to his cruelty?

    (Hope he calls her a ‘bitch’ – keep the dog-talk going.)

  80. Shy Ted

    Lucky, lucky Adelaide theatregoers – BLACK IS THE NEW WHITE Written By: Nakkiah Lui. The sold-out, smash hit romantic comedy seen by thousands of people around the country comes to Adelaide, bigger, better and blacker than ever! Charlotte Gibson is a lawyer with a brilliant career ahead of her. As her father says, she could be the next female Indigenous Waleed Aly. But she has other ideas. First of all, it’s Christmas. Second of all, she’s in love. However, Charlotte’s fiancé, Francis Smith, is not what her family expected: he’s unemployed, he’s an experimental composer… and he’s white. Inviting Francis and his conservative parents to the Gibson family Christmas is a bold move with all sorts of unintended consequences. Secrets are revealed, prejudices outed and old rivalries reignited. With a toe-tapping soundtrack and an array of eccentric and loveable characters, this thoroughly beguiling, very Australian story from award-winning playwright Nakkiah Lui is an unmissable comedy of desire and dysfunction. Black is the New White will have you rolling in the aisles with laughter..
    Seems white is the new black.

  81. Infidel Tiger

    Can I just point out the obvious, again

    Ruby Hamad is white

    Lebanese do not, generally speaking, claim to be brown.

    ruby baby

    Nassim Taleb has some great stuff on this.

    Lebs are Med people. They have their own language and despise being called Arabs.

  82. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘Luke Nolen’

    Promote that man!

  83. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘As her father says, she could be the next female Indigenous Waleed Aly.’

    You mean to say there are other female indigenous Waleeds?

    Is there a factory somewhere?

  84. Shy Ted

    Comments from the SMH Q&A puff piece (remember it’s the SMH) –
    Why does the Herald have to have a rundown every week on this silly little lefty show which nobody watches and is out of step with what the majority of the Australian public think?
    There was no feeling of love and hope in this show. Just hate.
    And for all those lefties who continually claim that the ABC has no bias, your apologies have been accepted!
    I have never watched Q & A and if this report is typical of the show then I will not be watching it in future either.
    The outrage if a group of all men panelists generalised about women the way men were demeaned on this show. I have a son….he needs protecting from this new feminism that hates all men.
    Last night’s Q&A is part of the reason why those Queensland seats will continue to vote for a Conservative Government……..( and Pauline Hanson)
    Gee, I wonder why progressivism and liberalism are a little bit on the nose electorally right now. It is truly a mystery.
    Please bring on Davis Speers. Any credibility that Q&A had was completely annihilated last night. Speers will need to work hard to bring it back.
    Toxic feminism on display for all to see!
    My taxes are paying for this rude, self-indulgent rubbish?!
    The good thing about this type of program is that it turns people off -so let’s encourage the ABC to put on more of them!
    Unhinged jibberish!
    So the host of this rubbish show tells people who pay for the ABC through taxes from hard earned monies to leave now if the language offends them. No wonder the ABC is held in such disdain in so many quarters.

    Those are all individual comments.

  85. Woolfe

    If horse racing is banned what do the wokers think will happen to the horses?

  86. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Remember, this is the Sydney Morning Herald..

    penguin
    2 hours ago
    It was fanbloodytastic! What a great group of speakers showing what the world could be like! If these women are driving the world then this old white male is in the back seat enjoying the ride.
    Go for it!
    And to read the crap close-minded comments on here like “This is why I don’t watch Q&A anymore…” or “Lefty ABC bias…” or “defund the ABC…” from LNP apparatchiks just makes me laugh!
    Open your hearts and your minds to these passionate thought leaders. Watch the show and learn some tolerance and justice. It is fantastic now Tony Jones has left and the panellists have more freedom!
    More power to outspoken feminists and to the ABC!
    PS Great article Neil McMahon

  87. notafan

    If these women are driving the world then this old white male is in the back seat enjoying the ride.

    accidental humour

    in the back seat in case they need a tyre changed

  88. Bruce of Newcastle

    If we raced koalas there would be no talk of them being endangered.

    If Lefties raced koalas the koalas would win because if a human won it would be marsupialist.
    #leftylogic

  89. Leigh Lowe

    Infidel Tiger

    #3202174, posted on November 5, 2019 at 11:40 am

    Can understand why the wosers hate race day.

    This is Luke Nolen being interviewed on his preparation for the day

    Who is the “matey, mate, mate” total flog interviewing the jockeys in the (cough) “jockeys lounge”?

  90. Nelson Kidd-Players

    It’s almost as if visitors are not welcome in central Australia. I’ll take heed.

    It is impressive, however, the way in which the aboriginal industry has taken humbugging from the family/tribal level to a national one.

  91. notafan

    It’s almost as if visitors are not welcome in central Australia. I’ll take heed.

    yup

    I’ll continue to be an international vacationer without a twinge of remorse

  92. Knuckle Dragger

    Just annoying the fat chicks on the Faceache avalanche of bagging Cup Day, cruel to horses, bastard jockeys etc etc.

    Another bloke planted himself square in the middle of a block of commentary by some coven of pretentious moles and pointed out that users of makeup are responsible for killing more sentient animals worldwide than any animal sport in human history.

    Cop that, you pious bitches.

  93. areff

    Most egalitarian day on the calendar and guess who hates it? The Bugmen.

    Well said, IT. Just posted at Quadrant:

    … Intended as a festival for the elite, what emerged was also a carnival for the common man and his lady, albeit in their sharp suits and fetching hats. Egalitarian? The Cup was always so. “The people on the flat were just as content with themselves as the people on the Lawn,” an English chronicler observed in 1888. Mark Twain, who was in town seven years later and lucky enough to see Auraria take the honours, put it thus:

    “Nowhere in the world have I encountered a festival of people that has such a magnificent appeal to the whole nation. The Cup astonishes me.

    “It would be difficult to overstate its importance. It overshadows all other holidays and specialized days of whatever sort. Overshadows them? I might almost say it blots them out.” …

  94. C.L.

    Most egalitarian day on the calendar and guess who hates it? The Bugmen.

    Exactly.

  95. Infidel Tiger

    Any day that encourages Sheilas to dress up is okay by me.

  96. notafan

    Ruby seems very confused

    but whichever it is always “your” fault

    and yeah we know Sunni blah blah

    not feeling any need to support

    Ruby’s wiki page has disappeared btw

    As a member of the tiny Alawite minority, perhaps the most bitter pill to swallow is how even the well-meaning portions of western society buy into the fallacy that it is the most visible Muslim groups that are the most authentic and most in need of support. Consequently, the very minority groups that Islamic fundamentalists take it upon themselves to place outside the fold of Islam are often dismissed as “Westernised” and “inauthentic” and therefore not in need of protection.

    <a href="https://www.sbs.com.au/topics/life/culture/article/2017/07/05/comment-its-time-you-start-distinguishing-between-islamic-sects”>

  97. cohenite

    Have you seen that hideous bint Pelosi walk; she is obviously wearing a geriatric diaper, appears to be having micro strokes, trying to keep her false teeth in and her eyes from closing. Apparently her daughter who is as dumb as Pelosi is furious the WAPO did a photo spread of the old slop-bucket featuring her high heels. By the looks of the heels they’re attached to leg braces keeping her upright. Her tits are gigantic but they’re probably some sort of colostomy bag as back up for the diaper. What a disgusting old viper she is.

  98. notafan

    Ruby seems very confused

    but whichever it is always “your” fault

    and yeah we know Sunni blah blah

    not feeling any need to support them incidentally

    Ruby’s wiki page has disappeared?

    As a member of the tiny Alawite minority, perhaps the most bitter pill to swallow is how even the well-meaning portions of western society buy into the fallacy that it is the most visible Muslim groups that are the most authentic and most in need of support. Consequently, the very minority groups that Islamic fundamentalists take it upon themselves to place outside the fold of Islam are often dismissed as “Westernised” and “inauthentic” and therefore not in need of protection.

    its time YOU started distinguishing between islamic sects

  99. notafan

    Ruby seems very confused

    but whichever it is always “your” fault

    and yeah we know Sunni blah blah

    not feeling any need to support

    Ruby’s wiki page has disappeared ?

    As a member of the tiny Alawite minority, perhaps the most bitter pill to swallow is how even the well-meaning portions of western society buy into the fallacy that it is the most visible Muslim groups that are the most authentic and most in need of support. Consequently, the very minority groups that Islamic fundamentalists take it upon themselves to place outside the fold of Islam are often dismissed as “Westernised” and “inauthentic” and therefore not in need of protection.

    its time YOU started distinguishing between isla mic sects

  100. notafan

    Ruby seems very confused

    but whichever it is always “your” fault

    and yeah we know Sunni blah blah

    not feeling any need to support

    Ruby’s makes a living sowing dissension

    at least she isn’t having children

    As a member of the tiny Alawite minority, perhaps the most bitter pill to swallow is how even the well-meaning portions of western society buy into the fallacy that it is the most visible Mus lim groups that are the most authentic and most in need of support. Consequently, the very minority groups that Isla mic fundamentalists take it upon themselves to place outside the fold of Islam are often dismissed as “Westernised” and “inauthentic” and therefore not in need of protection

    its time YOU started distinguishing between isla mic sects

  101. Mother Lode

    Alawite minority

    Alawite?

    Allah-White?

    Progressives lie all the time. They have a moral compass but orient themselves by the ‘south’ pole of the pointer.

  102. jupes

    Whether these powers are being deliberately used by lefty bureaucrats to specifically target conservatives – as was done by the US IRS ui 2013 – is another matter altogether. Acceding to the Oz op/ed – written by an IPA research fellow – 500 AGs letters have been sent out individuals and organisations asking them to consider whether they need to register under the Scheme. There is no evidence yet that conservative addressees are over-represented in this process.

    You miss the point Des.

    It’s not whether conservatives are over-represented in the process or not. It’s the fact that they are in the stupid process at all. Conservatives are not an enemy of Australia. China is. I*l*m is. Russia is. The point of the legislation is to stop malign foreign influence. Instead, the deep state targeted conservatives.

    The other point you missed is that the only person threatened with jail has been the bloke who organised the CPAC. Good on him for telling them to get stuffed.

    We watch Porter’s response with interest. So far it has been underwhelming.

  103. Arky

    Most egalitarian day on the calendar and guess who hates it?.

    ..
    Bullshit.
    Watch our elites avoid any contact with actual Australians as copter after copter deposits them into landing pads, to be brought, under tight security, into their members only areas.
    As on the concourse the lower orders wash away the meaningless and Godless state of their lives with cheap booze.
    A disgusting and debauched spectacle, only exceeded when, after the last race, the gorillas hired to keep the mob separate from their betters does a final sweep to see if their are any inebriated female targets left behind to take advantage of.

  104. cohenite

    And to wipe Pelosi from the memory here’s Henri on the ivory:

  105. “The other point you missed is that the only person threatened with jail has been the bloke who organised the CPAC. Good on him for telling them to get stuffed.”

    Thanks Jupes. DD doesn’t want to deal with the facts.

  106. Infidel Tiger

    ..
    Bullshit.
    Watch our elites avoid any contact with actual Australians as copter after copter deposits them into landing pads, to be brought, under tight security, into their members only areas.

    That’s right. We don’t let the freaks and losers congregate with the commoner.

    This is our day and those degenerates are kept in cages so they don’t annoy us. We even call it “the Bird Cage” and they still haven’t caught on.

  107. Arky

    We even call it “the Bird Cage” and they still haven’t caught on.

    ..
    The birdcage is an area for the mid- level stooges of the regime.
    No one with any actual influence goes there.

  108. C.L.

    Watch our elites avoid any contact with actual Australians as copter after copter deposits them into landing pads, to be brought, under tight security, into their members only areas.

    Depends how you define “actual Australians.”
    They’re not the vomiting, mud-splashing, heaving mass of intoxicated dickheads on the outer.
    They’re the simply and well-dressed people enjoying the day, enjoying a few drinks and having a punt.
    I don’t blame the chopper lobbers for wanting to avoid the former.

  109. notafan

    What percentage of the crowd at the Cup actually constitute
    “t the vomiting, mud-splashing, heaving mass of intoxicated dickheads on the outer”

    My wager is a small minority.

  110. Arky

    heaving mass of intoxicated dickheads

    ..
    The people responsible for the fact that our heaving masses are intoxicated dickheads will avoid the consequences for as long as possible.
    On that we agree.
    Egalitarian it is not.

  111. Arky

    My wager is a small minority.

    ..
    My wager is you have never done security there.

  112. Arky

    Just keep watching your circuses and eating your soy and linseed bread.
    At least the Romans put on real spectacles.
    Our lot can’t even do that.

  113. Arky

    At least in Rome after the circus you could tuck into a giraffe burger.

  114. notafan

    So what Arky?

    What percentage?

    10 25 50 or all are vomiting, mud-splashing, heaving mass of intoxicated dickheads?

    the gorillas hired to keep the mob separate from their betters does a final sweep to see if their are any inebriated female targets left behind to take advantage of.

    are you admitting something here?

  115. EvilElvis

    Not sure what people are protesting about. Apart from two nags these are some of the most world travelled pre-glue vessels that you can find. Makes more sense to protest immigration.

  116. notafan

    NINE people have been arrested, including one for drug trafficking, at the Melbourne Cup Carnival.

    Officers have also fined a 75-year-old woman caught drink driving the wrong way through a roundabout after a race day function at her local bowls club.

    Seven people were arrested for being drunk, another was arrested over an assault and one in relation to trafficking a drug of dependence, Victoria Police spokesman Tom Byrne said in a statement.

    Between police and security staff, 78 people were evicted from Flemington Racecourse on Tuesday.

  117. Arky

    are you admitting something here?

    ..
    Take that back.
    What a disgusting person you are.
    Take that back now or do not respond to me again.
    What a disgraceful accusation.

  118. Arky

    What a nasty piece of work.

  119. notafan

    Okay Arky I take it back

    but if you know that it was happening and you were working there then you were complicit in it

    I’m really really sick of people slagging off the Melbourne cup

    I don’t like the booze culture but every year we get ooh look at the mess they made!

    and now it’s cruel to the horses

  120. Tom

    Melbourne Cup:

    1. Vow and Declare (T: D. O’Brien. J: C Williams)
    2. Mustajeer (T: K. Lees. J: D. Oliver)
    3. Prince of Arran (T: C. Fellowes. J: M. Walker)

  121. notafan

    No

    I’m ticked off at you slagging off the innocent enjoyment of ordinary people

    as for the excess drinking

    not a new thing

    my father collapsed with a relapse of malaria at a Melbourne Cup after the war

    was left to sleep it off because everyone assumed he was drunk

    which just proves the point that there has always been a drunken idiot percentage

  122. Roger

    Could be the Bee:

    “Jerry Springer Blames Trump for Decline in Civility”

    But no, it’s real.

  123. Mark from Melbourne

    Melbourne Cup :

    I’m into trifectas, so a nice big box of these will hopefully see me right…

    Mustajeer
    Finche
    Prince of Arran
    Surprise Baby
    Constantinople
    Il Paradiso
    Vow and Declare

  124. stackja

    ABC upset about horses.
    ABC silent about abortion.

  125. mh

    Tote favourite Finche for me.

    Chris Waller is God.

  126. Tintarella, That TED talk about the law is brilliant.
    My only concern is that he says the judges must be accountable for their decisions, but they aren’t and they refuse to be.

  127. C.L.

    1. Surprise Baby
    2. Vow and Declare
    3. Constantinople

  128. Arky

    Racing clubs back then were generally very good with the companies they hired to do security.
    I was very non specific in my comment.
    Big events draw in a lot of companies, not all were up to it.
    I guess I should thank you, in your unpleasant way you made me clarify a comment made in the general and partly in levity.
    I am making a general statement on society, not an accusation about a specific club.
    The motivations of most security guys on final clearance is to empty the venue.

  129. Arky

    my father collapsed with a relapse of malaria at a Melbourne Cup after the war

    was left to sleep it off because everyone assumed he was drunk

    ..
    Boo hoo.

  130. notafan

    Levity?

    Didn’t sound like it

    not at all

    Big events draw in a lot of companies, not all were up to it.

    What difference does what company you worked for make?

    And now your comment wasn’t about Melbourne cup racegoers either

  131. The Barking Toad

    Patrick Smith>i/>

    Fatprick Smith

  132. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Kalgoorlie voted WA’s s***tiest town, now it could win national title
    Tegan GuthrieKalgoorlie Miner
    November 5, 2019 8:17AM
    Topics
    Goldfields
    Offbeat

    Whether you think Kalgoorlie-Boulder is a s***hole, or has a s***load to do, you can get behind a grassroots campaign fighting for the city to win the Sh**tiest Town in Australia crown.

    Proud resident Sarah Hinton is calling for the community to vote for the city when it comes up against Tennant Creek in the quarterfinals of the competition, run by tongue-in-cheek Facebook page Sh*t Towns of Australia.

    Voting opens for the showdown tomorrow, and with Kalgoorlie-Boulder raking in more than 8500 votes when it recently went up against Mandurah — winning with 77 per cent of the votes — Ms Hinton said she was confident the city could go all the way.

    Seeing there was already a mass of people who either genuinely thought Kalgoorlie-Boulder was a s***hole, or who saw the funny side of the competition as it was intended by its creators, Ms Hinton decided to use it as an opportunity to boost tourism.

    And while she did not believe Kalgoorlie-Boulder deserved the title, Ms Hinton wanted to see the town victorious.

    “This poll is going to happen with or without my campaign; we didn’t nominate ourselves, but it also doesn’t cost us anything to join, so why not take this title and turn it around,” she said.

    “It would be embarrassing to get this far and not really win.

    “There is definitely no glory in being the fourth or fifth sh**test town in Australia, so let’s go all the way to the top because that is our attitude, is it not?

  133. calli

    I’m not fond of horseracing. This is no news to Cats. I just can’t watch it.

    There, I’ve said it.

    But for those who enjoy it, have fun. And I hope you all back a winner.

  134. notafan

    Lol

    what a nasty little srr like response

    the purpose of the anecdote, as I tried to make clear, was that excess alcohol consumption by the few at the races is not new

    Oh and my dad was a life long teetotaler, a good decent man, now long dead from the consequences of that war related malaria

  135. bespoke

    It’s not dignified for senior citizens to fight in public. 😎

  136. Arky

    Yes.
    You are so full of joy.

  137. calli

    Just scrolled up. Arky, it’s okay not to like the gee gees. No need to froth.

  138. Tom

    You’re excused, Calli.

    Remember: the reason we have horse racing is that horses love to race and we love watching them.

  139. Mother Lode

    “Jerry Springer Blames Trump for Decline in Civility”

    The only reason the left are whining about civility these days is because the right has stopped just putting up with it. The left preferred it when the right ceded ground out of the spirit of compromise, until they realised that it was not compromise that the left wanted: The left would take up one position and the right the other. A compromise would be struck at some midpoint between them. Then the left would occupy that point and insist that a new compromise be struck between them. And again. And so on.

    Like one of Zeno’s paradoxes they would endlessly demand compromise until the possessed 1/2, 3/4, 7/8, 15/16 etc.

    The right is not even particularly pushing back, certainly not with the same ferocious zealotry with which the left went after the right. They just want some of their own freedoms back.

    And, of course, they have had to re-define offence as saying, or being known to think, something they don’t like.

  140. areff

    #17 Sound at 100-1 (hun horse that shouldn’t be anywhere near that price after Caulfield and won at this distance in Germany).

  141. Bushkid

    Woolfe
    #3202188, posted on November 5, 2019 at 12:01 pm
    If horse racing is banned what do the wokers think will happen to the horses?

    Well, for a start, if there was no more racing they wouldn’t be bred any more, so there wouldn’t be the ongoing problem in the future.

    As an equine bodyworker and podiothearpist (hoof rehab specialist) I see far too many damaged ex-racehorses, and those are only the lucky ones that end up where people actually care about and for them.

    That isn’t to say that other equine sports and uses don’t also create major problems for horses; they certainly do.

    The problem is in the amount of money tied up in the industries that surround horse sports, particularly the gambling industry surrounding racing.

    By all means, enjoy your day at the races and the Cup in particular, the spectacle and the magnificence of horses racing is indeed special.

    But remember that these are only the very top horses, and while those elite horses are indeed well cared for and managed, there are hundreds of thousands that are not, particularly out in the regions and at the lower end of the performance scale. Only the lucky ones survive, or go on to enjoy a good life.

    I do work with racehorses, but there are few trainers or owners who really understand what can be done to improve their overall wellbeing, and indeed their performance. I only work with trainers who do understand that, and they’re actually pretty successful.

  142. stackja

    Cobb Highway NSW closed by flooding. Drought and flooding rain.

  143. Mark from Melbourne

    #17 Sound at 100-1

    The daughter (who knows horseflesh) is also very keen on Sound.

    For mine, you have to be a Pratchett fan to bet on 100/1 shots.

  144. Arky

    Just scrolled up. Arky, it’s okay not to like the gee gees. No need to froth.

    ..
    I don’t mind racing.
    I have spent a lot of paid time on courses, a decade or so ago.
    My comment was in response to Melbourne cup day being “egalitarian”. Plus my usual point about our elites using sport, intoxicants and welfare to numb the masses. Which they OBVIOUSLY do.
    Went right over someone’s head and she focused in on what she thought was an accusation against the security at a particular club.
    Poorly worded on my behalf. Plus someone wanting to zoom in on what they identified as the weak part of my argument.
    As I said. A nasty piece of work.

  145. cohenite

    Re: Melbourne cup and shit towns of Australia:

    The Melbourne suburb of Flemington is largely composed of ‘character buildings’, otherwise known as ‘butt-ugly state housing slum towers’. Despite being home to a diverse array of deadshits and deros, the suburb is known by most Australians for one thing only: the annual Melbourne Cup.

    Australasia’s pre-eminent public horse-abuse holiday, the Melbourne Cup is the only iconic sporting event where you can eat the losers. Internationally renown as ‘the race that stops a nation’ the Melbourne Cup has been won by a slew of famous nags such as Phar Lap, Makybe Diva and Pauline Hanson. Despite its pretension towards sophistication horse racing is basically bullfights for the bourgeois, an excuse to let suburbanites dress a bit fancy and watch a midget flog half a tonne of future dog roll while losing a week’s wages on a poorly constructed trifecta. Most of the horses are owned by truly objectionable people like minor royals, oil sheiks and property developers.

    The Melbourne Cup is celebrated with a massive orgy of public spewing and fighting, something it shares with other national holidays such as Australia Day and Kylie Minogue’s birthday. Post-race news coverage is dominated by footage of half-cut slags collapsing into hedges and fishing piss-soaked fascinators out of the gutter. A common sight at Flemington is tradies who turn up buzzing after an intensive spell of preloading, only to be disappointed when they find out that a handicap race doesn’t feature Down syndrome people doing hurdles.

    Phlemington might be best known for a racecourse but the only race worth winning is being the first person on the last tram out of town

  146. calli

    Here’s another one for those who study the Form Guide. An oldie, but a goodie.

  147. Arky

    Lol

    what a nasty little srr like response

    ..
    I was echoing your response when I told you I was groped as a kid.
    You nasty little snake.

  148. stackja

    Bush – I only know about Waller. Fewer horses? Who decides?

  149. The race that stops a nation.

    FFS, not another bloody day for Aborigines.

  150. Overburdened

    I have been advised that the Melbourne Cup is on today.

    Add to the list of things of which I am unaware. I live in a bubble.

    Also when adding to lists, I have added a restaurant in Melbourne that has helpfully put a warning sign out for anyone wanting food not to make assumptions about the gender of the staff to the list of places I will not financially support.

    This is not because I am a red neck heterosexual (currently non-practicing, for the ladies out there) who has a considered opinion on gender fluidity, which is that I don’t care what you think you are, and if you are confused a readily available and reliable test can be arranged by your GP.

    It is because this place is apparently run by hypersensitive, self absorbed fuckwits who want you to not make a mistake that would be unintentional and usually remedied by saying that you were mistaken by appearances, and where’s my dinner? if by some bizarre occurrence such a situation arose, then getting on with it.

  151. Davey Boy

    Treasury in action.

    A precis of this video where economists Martin North and John Adams discuss the proposed ‘Economy wide cash limit’ legislation (aka criminalising cash transactions of over $10,000):

    1. Treasury called for public submissions regarding the proposed legislation on 26 July (Friday night, putting out the trash time) with an end date of 12 August – that’s only two weeks (same trick they tried in 2017 when calling for public submissions on bail-in laws)

    2. Treasury then composed a brief (dated 16 August 2019) for the Treasurer (Frydenberg) and Assistant Treasurer (Sukkar) on the ‘cash limit law’ submissions received

    3. FOI request was made by an interested party (Citizens Electoral Council, CEC) and a redacted version of the Treasury brief was obtained and made public

    4. The Treasury brief reports that over 3500 submissions were received – a significant number. However, the brief claims (without any proof whatsoever) that 3,400 (98%) of these submissions were received from CEC campaigners, and only 30 submissions were received from “individuals”. This completely misrepresents those who made submissions. E.g. Pauline Hanson (amongst others) encouraged supporters via Facebook to make submissions

    5. By sheer coincidence the AFR published in early September an article “Cash ban brings out conspiracy theorists” which characterises the CEC as anti-se m it ic loons – a hit piece.

    6. In one stroke, Treasury now has the means to completely discredit 98% of the submissions received. Very neat. I wonder, how will Sukker and Frydenberg interpret the Treasury brief?

    (Official written complaints have been made to Treasury protesting the misrepresentation.)

    There is still time to make submissions to the Senate enquiry into the proposed cash limit law, these submissions must be made by 15 November.
    https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/Senate/Economics/CurrencyCashBill2019

  152. Overburdened

    The Melbourne Cup does give me my annual opportunity to cite Oscar Wilde’s observation along the lines of horse racing being the obscenity of small men in strange clothing whipping majestic animals for the amusement of the ruling class.

    Something like that anyway.

  153. Mother Lode:
    “…explosively discharging satanic gasses from its horsehole.”
    Lol!

  154. Overburdened

    I think I remember the word was ‘privileged’ rather than ‘ruling’ now that I have already shot my bolt.

  155. Leigh Lowe

    I’m into trifectas, so a nice big box of these will hopefully see me right…

    Mustajeer
    Finche
    Prince of Arran
    Surprise Baby
    Constantinople
    Il Paradiso
    Vow and Declare

    Being a tightarse I have boxed only four … Mustajeer, Finche, Il Paradiso and Constantinople.

  156. EvilElvis

    I wonder, how will Sukker and Frydenberg interpret the Treasury brief?

    I’d imagine Sucker and Frydemburgers will be in lock step with any recommendations.

  157. Leigh Lowe

    Correction.
    I have Cross Counter, not Constantinople.
    Been closely studying it for days …not.

  158. John Constantine

    the SAM (Southern annular mode) has responded to the sudden stratosphere warming at the end of August it only took over 2 months but finally reached the surface and cos of it we are starting to see stronger Antartic lows normally seen in Winter! Westerly belt is going further north!

    Highs are weaker and further north! Could mean higher than normal rainfall for Tasmania, sw WA, southern Victoria, Lower se SA for this time of year but the eastern seaboard it increases heat, dust storms and heatwaves. We haven’t seen a prolonged strong negative SAM like this for many years or since the BOM started following it. So strap yourselves we will see unusual weather that we do not normally see between now and Christmas.

  159. Mark from Melbourne

    Being a tightarse I have boxed only four

    Let us then hope, LL, that we both win.

    Mind you, the Cup Trifecta is truly hard to get!

  160. Overburdened

    https://www.news.com.au/sport/sports-life/melbourne-cup-protests-police-deploy-officers-and-drones-to-counter-demonstrations/news-story/11ab1999c3f262c60a2f504b1f394746

    Contrary to reports, the numpty in the pic wearing the dressing gown is not me.

    He is concerned about the horses, whereas I was using Wilde’s observation about humans.

  161. Mother Lode

    FFS, not another bloody day for Aborigines.

    According to that guy who speaks of the thriving technological civilisation, they started it.

    Of course they didn’t have horses, but they had carefully bred the finest Arabian wombats – sleek, sinewy, and long of limb and fleet of foot. They would speed around the unjirriga (‘wombat roundabout’) to the delight and excitement of the cheering crowd, many of whom had travelled from other states by gigantic motorised sugar-gliders.

    Naturally whitey has re-written history.

  162. Leigh Lowe

    Mind you, the Cup Trifecta is truly hard to get!

    It’s a donation.
    I go to local pony races once or twice a year and maybe a bet on Cup Day.
    I bet on nothing else outside the sharemarket.

  163. stackja

    Will leftists want to change the meaning of 1 April?

  164. Mark from Melbourne

    I’m with you, LL.

    Except that I am a sharemarket conservative as well!

  165. Bushkid:

    But remember that these are only the very top horses, and while those elite horses are indeed well cared for and managed, there are hundreds of thousands that are not, particularly out in the regions and at the lower end of the performance scale. Only the lucky ones survive, or go on to enjoy a good life.

    Sounds just like homo sapiens.

  166. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    It was fanbloodytastic! What a great group of speakers showing what the world could be like! If these women are driving the world then this old white male is in the back seat enjoying the ride.

    enjoying the strap-on mate

  167. Mother Lode

    Will leftists want to change the meaning of 1 April?

    They want to keep the meaning, but rename it Australia Day.

    They also want to make 1 May a public holiday, with gigantic portraits of Marx, Lenin and whoever is the current leader of the Greens at the time.

    And a great parade with regiments of Antifa thugs followed by rumbling columns of bureaucrats at wheeled desks – to give courage to the proles and fill with dread the hearts of class-traitors everywhere.

  168. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    Cobb Highway NSW closed by unprecedented flooding. Drought and flooding rain.

    FIFY

  169. Shy Ted

    Managed to get $50 on at the last minute no. 22 The Chosen One. Lost a bit of weight so will suit the conditions.

  170. Zatara

    Monday the Dow closed at 27,462, the highest point in its history. Up %50 since election day 2016.

    S&P and Nasdaq also hit new records.

    Winning doesn’t suck.

  171. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    It was fanbloodytastic! What a great group of speakers showing what the world could be like! If these women are driving the world then this old white male is in the back seat enjoying the ride.

    Hoping for a charity shag?

  172. Tom

    Hard to believe that’s Craig Williams’ first Melbourne Cup.

  173. Knuckle Dragger

    There is no contest between Tennant Creek and Kalgoorlie.

    It’s Tennant, all day every day.

  174. zyconoclast

    The cost of entering Uluru-Kata Tjuta National Park could rise by up to 52 per cent under proposed changes from Parks Australia.

    Re-wilding continues apace.

  175. notafan

    Arky

    I apologise for the implication of my earlier comment.

    Bad idea to comment in deep irritation.

    You would not behave so.

  176. BrettW

    Thanks Tom. Went on what you said yesterday plus a lady calling in on radio said she was going for it as was from Qld.

    I know absolutely nothing about horse racing / gambling so tend to go with my gut.

  177. Shy Ted

    Tom #3202251, posted on November 5, 2019 at 1:21 pm
    Melbourne Cup:
    1. Vow and Declare (T: D. O’Brien. J: C Williams)
    2. Mustajeer (T: K. Lees. J: D. Oliver)
    3. Prince of Arran (T: C. Fellowes. J: M. Walker)

    Well done, Tom. You can have a sleep in tomorrow. NO, WAIT! What was I thinking?

  178. Farmer Gez

    I went for the big local connections with Surprise Baby and Vow and Declare.
    Nice payout on the big chestnut.

  179. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    There is no contest between Tennant Creek and Kalgoorlie.
    It’s Tennant, all day every day.

    You’ve obviously not spent much time in Roebourne, Knuckles.

  180. Overburdened

    Correction required.

    The restaurant in question in an earlier post was not identified as being in Melbourne.

    Probably something to do with the horse race, or just senile decay.

    Anyhow still not going there.

  181. Arky

    notafan
    #3202339, posted on November 5, 2019 at 3:09 pm
    Arky

    I apologise for the implication of my earlier comment.

    Bad idea to comment in deep irritation.

    You would not behave so.

    ..
    How am I supposed to take that last line?
    It deliberately negates the apology?
    Well I will take it as a genuine apology and state I also apologise.
    My comment with regards to security was badly thought out.
    Racing is not responsible for the problems in the security industry.
    Nor is it responsible for the degeneration of our culture.

  182. Tom

    Thoroughbred racehorsies love running on the beach! Danny O’Brien trains Vow and Declare on Thirteenth Beach about 5kms from where I live.

  183. notafan

    I thought it was clear.

    Obviously not.
    I was trying to say something nice.

  184. Arky

    I was trying to say something nice.

    ..
    Appreciated.
    Thank you.

  185. Arky

    I thought the claim that I would not make comments here when very irritated was obvious sarcasm.

  186. Tom

    Protest in the cup — fourth (Il Paradiso) against second (Master of reality).

  187. Knuckle Dragger

    OB,

    The establishment you speak of. This will no doubt be another Handsome Her café, of whom the staff and management will be furiously waving their homo banners at hungry people until they inevitably go broke because bigotty bigots.

    Failing to realise, naturally, that food and drink doesn’t care if you take it up the arse to the point where you need to jam a tampon/s into it, and also that the provision of food and drink in the middle of Melbourne isn’t exactly a niche market.

  188. Leigh Lowe

    Frankie Dettori rides like an Italian Fiat driver.

  189. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Able Seaman Rohan Hitch to be demoted and discharged from the Australian Navy after pub groping

    Magistrate’s damning words: “Your behaviour on this night was such that, in my mind, you are unfit to hold the rank of Leading Seaman and you are not fit to remain in the defence force.”
    Craig Dunlop, [email protected], Canberra Star
    Subscriber only
    |
    November 5, 2019 1:13pm

    A drunken sailor who grabbed two women on the vaginas and one on the buttocks while drunk at a pub on shore leave in Hobart has been narrowly avoided jail but will likely be booted from the navy in disgrace.

    Defence Force Magistrate Brigadier Michael Cowan QC on Tuesday demoted Sydney-based Leading Seaman Rohan Hitch to the rank of Able Seaman and ordered he be kicked out of the service.

    “The trouble, in the present case, of course, is that he has touched two (women) on the genitals,” Brigadier Cowan said.

    “I don’t know of any case where members touching (women) on the genitals where they don’t get dismissed.”

    Able Seaman Hitch’s dishonourable discharge is the subject of an automatic review and could be overturned.

    I dunno, pussers caught misbehaving again.

  190. EvilElvis

    Crikey, if the protest gets up I’ve got a win (in sweep), a place (another sweep), and on the back of Tom’s tip a TAB win & place! Our family will regale the young ones with tales of your courage and bravery for centuries, Tom.

  191. Knuckle Dragger

    From OB’s link on the animal protesters. Man commenting on people entering the course:

    “It’s unethical and honestly these people just look really stupid in my opinion,” he said.

    Commentary by the pasty noodle-armed beta with a Shaggy beard from Scooby Doo, clad in a purple dressing gown and orange bandanna with white spots.

  192. Farmer Gez

    No doubt that Il Paradiso was denied a run and probably the Cup as the horse was finishing strongly.

  193. Mark A

    Tom
    #3202355, posted on November 5, 2019 at 3:23 pm

    Protest in the cup — fourth (Il Paradiso) against second (Master of reality).

    Not getting up.
    I had 50 on it for place so with my bad luck it will be dismissed.

  194. Leigh Lowe

    Frankie had to cover a lot of ground from 12 off the rail to get across and cause the interference.
    Well done Frankie.

  195. So the lunatics didn’t fly their drones into the horsie huddle?
    Thank fuck for that…

  196. dopey

    Not sure if I heard this right.
    Craig Williams: ” I am the father of all my children.”

  197. Tom

    Protest 4th against second upheld! Prince of Arran now officially second and Il Paradiso now officially third.

  198. Farmer Gez

    It’s hard for horses at a track like Flemington not to come across at the line.
    The turn is just past the past the post and horses are trained to cut to the inside on the bend.
    Upheld.

  199. Leigh Lowe

    Tom

    #3202349, posted on November 5, 2019 at 3:18 pm

    Thoroughbred racehorsies love running on the beach! Danny O’Brien trains Vow and Declare on Thirteenth Beach about 5kms from where I live.

    I am not sure the love it, but I think it does them good.
    After being on the beach, a run on the track would feel easy as.
    I walked along a horsey training beach the other day.
    They run on the firm-ish wet sand, but they dig in about 75 – 100 mm at the front of the hoof.
    Hard work.

  200. notafan

    If il Paradiso is successful in protest will to be vow and declare prince of Arran and il paradiso?

    If so I have a teeny tiny trifecta win

  201. Farmer Gez

    Surprise Baby is still one to follow, absolutely flew home from the back of the field.

  202. notafan

    Woo hoo

    1.38% of $2900!

  203. Tom

    Well done, Nota. Cup trifecta paid $2953.40 (Vic TAB). What percentage did you have?

  204. notafan

    1.38 percent

    Lol

    I was mostly key boxing 18 and 23.

  205. calli

    So, who lost their shirt? And who’s shouting drinks?

  206. Knuckle Dragger

    Please be 93.1%.

  207. littledozer

    Meghan Gale the ambassador for Lexus is no longer.

    After a derogatory twitter post about the Melbourne Cup, Lexus promptly repossessed the Lexus that Meghan and her husband drove.

    Hyundia may or may not be happy with that development as that is the car they showed up to their cafe in yesterday.

  208. Mother Lode

    Just had a quick squiz in the newspaper – there is a one page ad from Woollies featuring the that sickening boofhead, Goodes – Former AoTY, ya know.

    Someone in their marketing office still thinks that darling of the elites will win them market share.

  209. Old Lefty

    Now that the Cup is out of the way, the culture warriors will no doubt turn their attention to Christmas (offensive to one-legged multicultural drug-addicted revolutionary neo-Stalinist lesbians an d trannies etc etc).

    Sad to say my own Cup record testifies to the wisdom of putting spare money into a good share fund.

  210. Tom

    Scroll up, Calli. Lots of Cats came out ahead.

  211. Top Ender

    Meanwhile in the Northern Territory:

    A WOMAN has been shot by crossbow bolt during a brawl at a South East Arnhem Land community.

    The 51-year-old was shot in the arm with the crossbow penetrating her chest after fighting broke out at Numbulwar sometime after 5pm yesterday.

    The woman was taken to Royal Darwin Hospital by CareFlight and is understood to be in a stable condition.

    Police said crossbows and other weapons were involved in the large fight.

    In response to the unrest extra police have been sent out to the community.

  212. calli

    Excellent!

    Flick me some champers. 🍾🎉

  213. Tom

    Old Lefty, volatile TAB investments are not for 93.1% of the population.

  214. EvilElvis

    Lots of Cats came out ahead.

    And some of us will retire from punting on a winners note as we know it’s just pure bloody arse for us to jag a win.

    Until next time…

  215. notafan

    I bet once a year

    Outlay around one hundred dollars

    Now I can finally say I picked the trifecta after years of missing by that much.
    🙂

  216. Harlequin Decline

    Tom,

    Congrats and well done on your tip-followed your advice and bet on it to win at 12:1.

    Bet on Il Paradiso for a place for the girlfriend and it came in after the protest as well. Lost on Youngstar.

    Overall a surprisingly healthy return, I’ll buy the drinks if we ever meet up.

  217. Knuckle Dragger

    Numbulwar.

    Pleasant little spot. Sometimes prone to bloodthirsty violence, but hey.

    Few years back, the locals had a ‘tame’ big old water buffalo that used to wander up and down the main street for pats, snacks and whatnot.

    Was promptly shot by a newly-arrived copper, who himself was rescued by the Air Wing several hours later from the enraged populace. All the bloke’s shit was still in boxes, which were dragged out of his new accommodation and burnt.

  218. Leigh Lowe

    littledozer

    #3202388, posted on November 5, 2019 at 3:59 pm

    Meghan Gale the ambassador for Lexus is no longer.

    After a derogatory twitter post about the Melbourne Cup, Lexus promptly repossessed the Lexus that Meghan and her husband drove

    If Lexus have recalled the keys, I dips me lid.
    Well done.

  219. feelthebern

    Frankie Dettori rides like an Italian Fiat driver.

    You son of a bitch.
    That protest being upheld did me out of 25k.

  220. EvilElvis

    After a derogatory twitter post about the Melbourne Cup, Lexus promptly repossessed the Lexus that Meghan and her husband drove.

    Ahhhahahahaha

  221. feelthebern

    Two trifectas & one first four turned into one trifecta.
    % only.

  222. mh

    Well done Tom.

    You’re good at it.

    ….

    😥

  223. notafan

    Oh no FTB.

    That sucks hugely.

  224. Tintarella di Luna

    Harlequin Decline
    #3202398, posted on November 5, 2019 at 4:10 pm

    So pleased for you – great to see Cats rule

  225. “Leigh Lowe
    #3202402, posted on November 5, 2019 at 4:12 pm
    littledozer

    #3202388, posted on November 5, 2019 at 3:59 pm

    Meghan Gale the ambassador for Lexus is no longer.

    After a derogatory twitter post about the Melbourne Cup, Lexus promptly repossessed the Lexus that Meghan and her husband drove

    If Lexus have recalled the keys, I dips me lid.
    Well done.”

    Good news.

  226. notafan

    Did Meghan realise her sponsorship deal would be ruined?

    Probably not.

    Ms giving the teeny tiny number of protesters lots of coverage and air time.

    It’s cruel!

    No it isn’t.

  227. Leigh Lowe

    Tom

    #3202372, posted on November 5, 2019 at 3:44 pm

    Protest 4th against second upheld! Prince of Arran now officially second and Il Paradiso now officially third.

    Kind of interesting.
    Same trainer of both ponies involved in the altercation and decided not to be part of the protest.
    Stewards initiated the protest.
    Not sure how happy the owners of the horse forth across the line would be when the trainers decided to leave them parked in forth and not protest.

  228. notafan

    Iirc horse racing is Victoria’s second biggest industry.

  229. Top Ender

    Anyone up to speed on permanent impairment claims resulting from workplace injury?

    Relative has been assessed as having one – at 1%. It seems you cannot claim in most places unless it’s 10%, and in other 5%.

    Seems a bit odd. I would have thought a workplace injury causing any degree of permanent impairment would result in a payout.

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