Stop f–king telling me to stop saying f–k

The Q&A from Monday night has a fascinating transcript.  Here is a snippet that also deserves our attention.

Mona Eltahawy: I go online exactly to tell people to fuck off when they attack me, and I’m very well-known for it.

Fran Kelly: And at this point, I will utter a language warning on the program, and remind our guests.

Mona Eltahawy: No, honestly, it’s… You know, this idea of respectability, this idea of civility, this idea of unity, all of these words, decorum, who invented those words? Those words were invented by white men for the benefit of other white men in systems and institutions that were always designed to be for white men. And they weren’t designed for women like you and me and so many others. Like you said, people of colour and gender-diverse people. They never imagined us in those spaces, and then we show up and we just ruin it for them.

And so those who abide by the system – and Barack Obama was part of the system and remains part of the system… I also disagree with his wife when she says, “When they go low, we go high.” No I fucking don’t. If you go low I’m going to come for you. So, no, I do not have the luxury or the privilege to sit there and be civil with people who do not acknowledge my full humanity. I refuse. Number one.

Number two, there were so many voices who have found their platform on social media finally, after being…the gatekeepers refused to let us in for such a long time. I mean, I say…I include myself, ‘cause I’m kind of in and out. But there are people who have never had any platform. I’m thinking of young black feminists in the United States, Indigenous feminists in the United States and Canada, ‘cause I move back and forth between the US and Canada. There is one Indigenous woman in Canada who every day tweets about missing and killed Indigenous women in Canada. Nobody has bothered to find out what happened to them. In the United States, really incredibly successful campaigns have happened online because we refused to be civil to those who don’t recognise our humanity.

So, for those who say, “Be civil,” for those who say, “Be polite,” I have an entire chapter on the political importance of profanity, and I remind them of a Ugandan feminist called Dr Stella Nyanzi who is currently in prison in Uganda because she wrote a poem on Facebook wishing that the mother of the dictator of her country had poisoned him, that her birth canal had poisoned him during birth. And when she was taken to court and doing her sentencing, she was video-taped in, because she’s known for her profanity, she stood there in the video, she took off her top, she jiggled her breasts and she said, “Fuck you, fuck you, fuck you!” In court!

Fran Kelly: Mona, I talked to you about this. OK, you’re watch…

So the next time you’re be civil and polite – just stop and check your privilege.

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56 Responses to Stop f–king telling me to stop saying f–k

  1. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Gullibles (ie congenitally dense) are prime cannon fodder for marxists.

  2. Old School Conservative

    Frank Ely’s inability to rein in her guests makes her totally unemployable. Sad.

  3. It sounds a bit like Robert DeNiro, he’s always lost for words and can only remember two.

  4. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    As a young Two Alpha, at primary school, I had to write out two hundred times, “Use of obscenities are the characteristic of one who is incapable of intelligent self expression.”

    Springs to mind reading the above post.

  5. egg_

    this idea of respectability, this idea of civility, this idea of unity, all of these words, decorum, who invented those words? Those words were invented by white men for the benefit of other white men in systems and institutions that were always designed to be for white men. And they weren’t designed for women like you and me

    Oh I see – Fran Fvcking Kelly loves to go the blue, eh Mona?
    You sound very angry.
    Fugly non-white women are the bottom of the barrel?
    Sad.

  6. Suburban Boy

    Someone should ask Mona Eltahawy what she plans to do when she grows up.

  7. egg_

    They should’ve had Gordon Ramsay on the fvcking panel.

  8. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Someone should ask Mona Eltahawy what she plans to do when she grows up.

    Talking head on the A.B.C.

  9. calli

    I said it today when I tripped over a box and barked my shins.

    But I used asterisks on account of I’m a lady.

  10. stackja

    ABC management, using tax money, has been too generous to people who don’t know how to behave.

  11. Dr Fred Lenin

    I saw a few cooking shows where Gordon Ferking Ramsey didnt use the F word ! Then Billy Connoly had a half hour show where he didnt use it ,they were trying to embarrass the feminazis , mizojinists ,arent they Jooliar?

  12. David Brewer

    I honestly don’t get it. If some white bloke repeatedly said fvck on that show it would be an outrage. Yet when this bird says it, after apparently being warned not to before the show, she is given a mild slap on the wrist which she then imperiously disregards, with no consequences. Yet the point is supposed to be – white men are privileged because they made the rules against saying fvck? Does not compute.

    Perhaps the secret is in this:

    In the United States, really incredibly successful campaigns have happened online because we refused to be civil to those who don’t recognise our humanity.

    Again it does not make sense because civility is precisely the attitude of an antagonist who does recognise your humanity. So she is effectively accusing herself of not recognising her antagonists’ humanity. But her real point is that rudeness works as a political tactic. If you keep screaming obscenities at people they give up opposing you – or perhaps they just give up listening to you. Either way she thinks it’s victory. Leninthink in action – don’t disprove or defeat your opponent, but destroy him.

    In other words, Mona rejects, and shows contempt for, the very idea of civil debate. Why then is the ABC giving airtime to her on a debate show?

  13. egg_

    “I kill you fvcking!”

    Isn’t that a mad Arab line from an Adam Sandler movie?

  14. I made the mistake of reading some of the transcript of this show. Two responses: why does anyone bother to produce, watch or participate this drivel and why does the ABC continue to give an airing to the views of people who are absolutely nuts?

  15. I made the mistake of reading some of the transcript of this show. Two responses: why does anyone bother to produce, watch or participate this drivel and why does the ABC continue to give an airing to the views of people who are absolutely nuts?

    We watch and comment so you don’t have to.

    Don’t thank us, we take one for the team.

  16. I_am_not_a_robot

    What Fran Kelly should have said:

  17. jupes

    this idea of respectability, this idea of civility, this idea of unity, all of these words, decorum, who invented those words? Those words were invented by white men for the benefit of other white men in systems and institutions that were always designed to be for white men. And they weren’t designed for women like you and me

    Actually the obnoxious bint has it exactly the wrong way around. Manners were invented to break class barriers:

    Beau Nash in the early 18th century in Bath:

    Something that was to have a greater impact on Bath society in general was Nash’s advocacy of greater social integration. He established a new code of conduct for more respectability in public places, which banned swearing and relaxed the unwritten rules of integration. He was so successful in levelling society that people could be found creating friendships across the classes that would not have been dreamt of in London. Bath had become the platform for of social change.

    Beau Nash invented English good manners but you wouldn’t expect the gormless Frank Elly to know that.

  18. Roger

    In other words, Mona rejects, and shows contempt for, the very idea of civil debate. Why then is the ABC giving airtime to her on a debate show?

    Q&A is not a debate show.

    It’s entertainment for the luvvies: invite an ostensible or actual conservative on, set him or her up with a gotcha question then all pile on.

    What last night’s “show ” was about I could not care less, but for that fact that I partly funded it.

    Shut it down.

  19. Derp

    Bless her heart.

    If you can spend your days self congratulating yourself on such glorious victories, then you truly live in a permissive society overflowing with surplus, no matter how much you hate it.

  20. Chris Harper

    Wow. She just wrote all women out of history completely.

  21. calli

    Q&A is a One Hour Hate in various forms of fancy dress.

    And we pay for it.

  22. egg_

    why does the ABC continue to give an airing to the views of people who are absolutely nuts?

    It’s been a freakshow for many years where ratbags stream their consciousness on live TV.
    The Drum is even worse.

  23. lotocoti

    I gather she’s discovered it’s a lot safer being a gobby slunt in a culture which won’t beat the crap out of her for being a gobby slunt.

  24. Bronson

    Thank Ita without her we wouldn’t have this show of great relevance. With such moderators as Fran Elly Ita’s abc will continue to be a shining light to fvcking rsoles for years to come!

  25. Barry

    I was trying to think what alternative she was offering.

    It’s taken me a couple of days, but I have worked it out.

    She is not offering an alternative civilisation, or a better civilisation.

    She is offering a choice between civilisation, or not.

  26. notafan

    I see

    Assaulted in Egypt

    It’s all the fault of western civilization

    What makes Mona tick

  27. This is the same redheaded thing married to a bi dude … that suggested all Aussie men …. should learn how to suck on a ball sack to make us better humans ,………… She needs to be deported yesterday along with all the Q&A tards who cheered her on !

  28. Squirrel

    The homonymously-named Ms E. overlooks the simple fact that the “white man” system she apparently wants to tear down allows her to get away with public comments like this – “No I fucking don’t. If you go low I’m going to come for you”.

    Q&A is basically just a weekly dose of radical chic for middle class drones who want a cheap-thrills break from the usual ABC fare of dreary drama, PC docos and lifestyle trivia.

  29. Entropy

    lotocoti
    #3203213, posted on November 6, 2019 at 5:42 pm
    I gather she’s discovered it’s a lot safer being a gobby slunt in a culture which won’t beat the crap out of her for being a gobby slunt

    Exactly. Completely irony free.

    Behavioural mores like avoiding profanity is a mechanism to control men, not women. It helps to avoid that inconvenient situation where someone guts you with their short sword just because you called them a fuckwit.

  30. Knuckle Dragger

    Some beige looking bloke on Blot just made a decent point.

    No comment so far from the Minister for Communications.

    Nothing from the MD/CEO of the ABC.

    This is either very bad news, or very unlikely good news. I cannot envisage after a performance like that none of the head sheds would have anything to say.

  31. Roger

    No comment so far from the Minister for Communications.

    Nothing from the MD/CEO of the ABC.

    A coward & a co-conspirator, respectively.

  32. Twostix

    She’s not going to like a country where white men aren’t polite and civil anymore.

  33. JohnJJJ

    She’s selling a book. It’s what ya gotta do these days to move product.

  34. MikeS

    So civility and decorum are beyond the privileged white pale but preferred pronouns are absolutely the minimum acceptable standard for civil discourse?

  35. Old Lefty

    Anyone game to test the next stage of the ABC-backed cultural revolution by talking this way to Daniel Andrews’ woke judiciary in court?

  36. Clam Chowdah

    Even worse, the lady carrying twins on the panel commented that she had been terrified, worrying, “what do I do if they turn out to be cisgender?” Lunatic.

  37. Colonel Crispin Berka

    Looks like UK comedian Alistair Williams is going to give his commentary on this Q&A episode tomorrow morning!

  38. Bruce in WA

    F**k off, ladies’ front bottom!

  39. twostix

    I think she should do a walking tour of northern Pakistan unaccompanied.

    She’s a strong independent fish bicycle person that don’t need no man around mmm hmmm, girlfriend!

  40. classical_hero

    Gordon Ramsay at his best.

    Not sure if I saw this here or on Twitter.

  41. Mother Lode

    there were so many voices who have found their platform on social media finally, after being…the gatekeepers refused to let us in for such a long time.

    The poor dear seems to confuse people not being inclined to listen to her with her being silenced.

  42. David Brewer

    Thanks notafan. After reading what makes Mona tick I can’t help feeling sorry for her. Her life has been traumatic. Shunted back and forth between Western freedom and Saudi Arabian repression as a teenager, then gangbanged by Egyptian coppers. I would probably lose my mind too.

    When she says she “wants the partriarchy to fear feminism”, it makes no sense taken literally. Only a person can feel fear, not some abstraction like “the patriarchy”. And anyway, what would be the point of wanting an abstraction to fear an ideology? However, if she said she wants those Egyptian coppers to fear a violent counterattack from herself, that would make perfect sense. And, underneath all her rage and confusion, that is what she really means.

  43. Mother Lode

    You know, this idea of respectability, this idea of civility, this idea of unity, all of these words, decorum, who invented those words? Those words were invented by white men for the benefit of other white men in systems and institutions that were always designed to be for white men.

    Not even the slightest attempt to back that claim up. Just a declaration to give license to a tirade in particular and an inability to contain her temper in general.

    I mean, what would a proof even look like? The minutes of some meeting somewhere? A notoriously misogynist leader passing laws? What?

    She starts from her prejudices, asserts a couple of societal concepts reflect her prejudices, and declares this proves them.

    She might as well say that dogs adopted humans, not vice versa, because hand shaking is based on sniffing each others butts and saving surpluses of food is a natural extension of burying bones in the back yard.

    You can see why she eschews debate.

    But she is perfectly in sync with one of the core tenets of being a lefty – that to offend is to be right. You hear it from the creatives (which heaves with lefties) when they produce their work, and they argue that good art offends people.

    And yet, no one remembers their scratchings, their daubings, their smudgings afterwards. And surely, another characteristic of truth is that it endures.

    Good art may shock or surprise. Or it may give expression to something sublime, or illuminate. It will make an impact on the person viewing and may cause questioning. Offense is probably the least effective method because of the viewer’s response to offense.

    And even then lefties get it backwards. Good art may disturb, but they take it as whatever disturbs is good art. So we get things like Piss Christ. Or art installations where you get to shit on a golden toilet. They then have to explain what it is supposed to mean. Something else art ought not need.

    Compare Nietzsche’s “What good is a book that does not even carry us beyond all books?” to “Good art offends”.

    /ramble

  44. struth

    The most protected , insulated species and sex of that species drawing breath on the planet, go hysterically insane supporting violence they know nothing about and cannot win using.

  45. bollux

    Trash is trash, whether it’s poor white, uneducated black, arabic arsehole, or ABC privelege. This whole show is just trash and it’s about time we took the trash out.

  46. The BigBlueCat

    Mona is a very rude person.

    Saying the F-word itself isn’t particularly bright – if she’s going to use it, she needs to use it intelligently because overuse just leads to boredom and an assessment that the user has a very limited vocabulary.

    But intelligence doesn’t seem to be her strong suit … I’m saddened to hear of the physical and sexual abuse she’s received in Egypt – but holding 50% of the population responsible doesn’t seem very smart to me.

  47. Faye

    No wonder the feminists wander around in packs, no one wants any part of them – literally!

  48. howardb

    ABC confirms Hamish Macdonald as new Q&A host

    Macdonald, who co-hosts The Project for Network 10, will replace outgoing Q&A presenter Tony Jones. He will start in February.

  49. Beertruk

    Bruce in WA
    #3203624, posted on November 7, 2019 at 12:16 am
    F**k off, ladies’ front bottom!

    F**k off, ladies’ split arse!

  50. hzhousewife

    Hamish loves the sound of his own voice and his own opinions on RN.

  51. howardb

    I smell a publicly funded rat.
    Why should that episode be pulled from iView? Why should it not be a reminder of just how poorly and piously the ABC and Ita Buttrose sees its role in fostering and promoting a radical feminist and ever more left agenda?

  52. The BigBlueCat
    #3203960, posted on November 7, 2019 at 12:19 pm

    Mona is a very rude person.

    Saying the F-word itself isn’t particularly bright

    Do you recite Henry V’s monologue when you break a bone or find out your stock pick has tanked?

  53. notafan

    That’s right Frank

    It’s a ‘special occassions’ word.

    Interspersing it after every other words you utter is the problem.

    At the cafe for example

    I’d like an f’ing coffee with two f’ing sugars, extra f’ing hot, please

  54. Rafe Champion

    As in “Up at Tumby bloody Umby shooting kanga bloody roos!”

  55. John A

    Mona Eltahawy: No, honestly, it’s… You know, this idea of respectability, this idea of civility, this idea of unity, all of these words, decorum, who invented those words? Those words were invented by white men for the benefit of other white men in systems and institutions that were always designed to be for white men.

    Oh? And what about the politeness, decorum, nay the obsequiousness, of Asian cultures, many of which pre-date “whiteys”? They certainly pre-date what we understand to be Western civilization.

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