100 million

100 million. No. Not the amount of money the Commonwealth Government wastes every week or so but the estimate of people killed by Communism. Or more specifically Communist regimes. TAFKAS actually reckons the number is higher if you account for the derivatives that flowed/flow from Communism, but notwithstanding.

9 November 2019 commemorates 30 years of the fall of the Berlin Wall. As a dumb 19 year old, TAFKAS was actually in Europe that day, Amsterdam specifically, but did not appreciate the significance of the event, and did not take the opportunity to hop over to Berlin. If he only know then what he knows now ….

Yesterday though, our friends at the IPA took the opportunity to discuss the history of the events around and associated in their regular Looking Forward podcast – or perhaps looking Backward this time.

Really worth a listen/look.

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23 Responses to 100 million

  1. JC

    (TAFKAS actually reckons the number is higher if you account for the derivatives that flowed/flow from Communism, but notwithstanding).

    Yep, it much much higher if indirect deaths are taken into account.

    Cutting edge, Cuban ambulance service.

  2. Percy Popinjay

    Good luck asking someone younger than 25 to describe why the fall of the Antifaschistischer Schutzwall was such an epochal event. They probably wouldn’t even know who are what Germans are.

    What’s even more depressing is that all the gains to civilization that may potentially have arisen from the collapse of soviet style communism were either never realised or criminally squandered.

    Auf wiedersehen soviet shitheads, hello moronic m00zleys and cheating chicoms.

  3. stackja

    “Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!”

  4. Caveman

    Fall of the wall ,the prelude to open borders.

    Remember this song

  5. Pyrmonter

    Pyrmont’s has just finished his first year German exams, covering, as ‘media and culture’ the access East Germans had to West German media (in short, most of the east had full access to radio and television, and in the late 80s, the East had actually set up relays for a few black spots in Saxony; in an echo of more recent debates, the West Germans said this reflected quite how anti western the West German broadcast media were). All redundant very, very quickly.

    The period from the end of exams up to the murder of the Ceaucescus (something I still think was wrong) was a veritable cascade of collapsing tyrannies: it seemed as if Fukuyama might be right. Happy times.

  6. Roger

    100 million…the estimate of people killed by Communism. Or more specifically Communist regimes.

    Or, more specifically, Communists.

    “When we are reproached with cruelty, we wonder how people can forget the most elementary Marxism.”

    —Lenin

  7. Dr Fred Lenin

    Did you include the socialist nazis of Hitlers gang? 100 million seems a bit light ,the figure woukd still have to be adjudted upwards annually,they are still murdering people .
    It is however good to see the communists busy supressing the islamofascists ,in China ,keeps them busy,like when the two marxists Hitler and Stalin were squabbling over whether national communism was superior to international communism .

  8. Old School Conservative

    This post led me to an interweb crawl looking at the cold war.
    Just read that Orwell was the first to use the term “cold war”.
    Clever bastard.

  9. cuckoo

    So the Age takes this occasion to run an article moaning that, after the fall of the Berlin Wall, walls are going up again in Europe. Glossing over the point that the Berlin Wall was designed to trap people within a prison state, and the new walls are mostly to stop invaders from entering free states.

  10. Roger

    So the Age takes this occasion to run an article moaning that, after the fall of the Berlin Wall, walls are going up again in Europe.

    No doubt The Age’s Melbourne HQ has several layers of security to protect its scribbling denizens from the riff raff outside who might otherwise seek to encamp themselves within and take advantage of the comforts offered, especially the drinks cabinet. Why should the citizens of European countries not be afforded the same protections by their governments?

  11. Colonel Crispin Berka

    Meanwhile… the rich have nightmares of a socialist revolution and the socialists in the middle class dream of making it happen. https://imgur.com/gallery/dQihN7r/comment/1749644243

  12. I_am_not_a_robot

    That was an interesting podcast, thanks.
    E Germany in 1953, Hungary in 1956, Czechoslovakia in 1968: all put down by the arrival of Soviet tanks, the major factor that was missing in 1989, briefly mention by Zac Gorman I think.
    Of official Soviet economic statistics in the ’80s, Robert Conquest (the earliest historian of the Holodomor and Great Purge) writes that they were not distorted or exaggerated as assumed by the CIA but invented — as Orwell in 1984 has Winston Smith ‘watching a minister announcing that 50 million pairs of boots had been produced that year but says to himself that for all he knows no boots at all were produced’.
    I haven’t read le Carré’s novel but the 1965 movie is good at conveying the bleak atmosphere in E Germany and there are scenes filmed at Checkpoint Charlie.
    Hitchcock’s Torn Curtain (1966), although far from his best, is unequivocal in portray E Germany as somewhere people wanted desperately to get out of.

  13. Craig Sargent

    100 Million is a VERY LOW estimate
    RJ Rummels excellent work has the break down… PRC (China) and the USSR total 137 million alone…
    Adding Vietnam, Cambodia, Mao Soviets in the pre PRC controlled China, North Korea, etc etc etc you easily get to 150 millions…

    https://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/20TH.HTM

  14. jupes

    It is interesting to note that after the first two generations, European communism became progressively less harsh for each generation until it reached the point in the late ’80s / early ’90s where they just couldn’t be bothered with it any more. The wall fell because the soldiers wouldn’t shoot their fellow citizens.

    Chicoms are doing things differently. I have no doubt that they would still shoot their fellow citizens but they have brought millions of them out of poverty by allowing capitalism. Therefore they will last a lot longer.

  15. Ironbark

    So, how many people has Capitalism killed in the last 100 years?

    Serious question.

    I have a socialist in my kitchen telling me its 200Million…

  16. Ironbark

    p.s. how does one remove a socialist from ones kitchen.

  17. 2dogs

    The history of this event is not being taught to our children properly.

    If you ask a Gen Y or Z, they will simply not be able to explain the sequence of the events that led to fall of the Berlin wall.

  18. JC

    Jupes

    We shouldn’t underestimate what’s going on in Hong Kong and the impact it may have especially in Southern China.

  19. jupes

    So, how many people has Capitalism killed in the last 100 years?

    Capitalism is buying and selling stuff so I suppose a small number of people have died while doing that. The old ‘drug deal gone wrong’ springs to mind.

    Maybe you mean democracy. Well democracies have killed millions of people in various wars in the last 100 years. Most of them people who needed killing like Commies, Nazis and other totalitarians.

    Don’t conflate that with the people killed by communists. That hundred million figure consists solely of citizens of communist countries killed by their communist government. Democracies can only be compared to that if abortions are taken into account.

  20. jupes

    We shouldn’t underestimate what’s going on in Hong Kong and the impact it may have especially in Southern China.

    Well we can only hope, but I can’t see Hong Kong winning this one. Certainly not to the point that it brings the downfall of the Chicom regime. If it spreads to Southern China I would expect the tanks to roll.

  21. I have the feeling the Chinese are more brainwashed than the Russian soviet soldiers and citizens were.

    The Soldiers did the right thing refusing to shoot the Russians after the KGB executed their coup.

    I don’t know if the Chinese soldiers will make the same decision, all we can do is hope.

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