Open Forum: November 9, 2019

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  1. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘5 of them outside the wire patrolling and ambushing.’

    I believe, Pte Locknload, you mean (and you’ve described this yoyrself) 5 months of being an unco-operative third wheel and a danger to everyone until you had to be removed before you became the victim of a tragic ‘accident’ away from prying eyes.

    Being dragged kicking and screaming to do something constructive doesn’t count either, you monumental coward.

  2. Entropy

    Heh heh. Just popped into my inbox:

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    It gets worse. Even as Trump’s national approval rating has cratered, his edge in the states that will likely decide the election has grown since 2016.2 And if you think that it’s still too early to rely on polling data, here’s the harsh truth: In the last three presidential elections, head-to-head polling one year out from Election Day has been just as close to the final result as polls taken the day before the election.3

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  3. lotocoti

    Although every care is taken to ensure that all information on this web site is accurate and up to date, QFES cannot accept any responsibility for mistakes or omissions.

    So it’s nobodies fault the “updated every 5 minutes” bushfire map has had a grass fire raging at the local fire station for the last 25 hours.

  4. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Pte Locknload,

    KD wins the order of the choccie frog for the day.

  5. Knuckle Dragger


    Mea culpa, calli.

    Appreciate the correction.

  6. Old School Conservative

    KD, it’s interesting how a quick scan of posts allows the brain to see the correct word.
    I saw yourself even though you gave it a different twist.

  7. 1735099

    In your patrolling and ambushing, did you kill any enemy?
    Were your contacts with the enemy fire fights or hand to hand combat?

    Read the book.

    Being dragged kicking and screaming to do something constructive doesn’t count either, you monumental coward.

    You haven’t explained why, (being so gung-ho about others performing actual military service), you don’t (actually) have any.

  8. Old School Conservative

    Numbers, forcing a potential customer to spend money to get a sample of your product is counter productive.
    Marketing 101 would tell you to deliver a small example for free so the potential buyer of your book becomes motivated to buy the whole experience of reading your tome.

    Again, in your patrolling and ambushing, did you kill any enemy?
    Were your contacts with the enemy fire fights or hand to hand combat?

  9. Rex Mango

    Actual military service is not siding with the enemy.

  10. Rex Mango

    When discussing the South East Asian War, your comments could equally apply to Australian public servants who actively undermine their government.

  11. Black Ball

    Good morning all.
    I heard Martin Pakula on the radio saying that the State Government aren’t in the business of closing industry vital to communities. This in response to live baiting being employed by greyhound trainers. So I guess Pakula crossed the floor over the closure of logging in East Gippsland? Where are the opposition?

  12. RobK

    Public servants don’t make policy.
    Bollocks. They have more influence than any other “stakeholder”.
    The Environmentally Sensitive Areas definition in the amended EPAct(WA) was generated as a map from desktop evaluation and placed on the department’s computer. Land titles were on the registerby default and land holders need to show why they shouldn’t be on it . Unfortunately land holders weren’t told and the data was inaccessible to the public until a recent parliamentary enquiry where the department demonstrated, inadvertently, that the public had no access.
    One clause in the EPAct(WA) says(paraphrasing due to lack of time): Department Policy is law.
    In effect the department has capital P policies which are law, and lower case p policies. These can change from time to time and the department minions prefer not to distinguish the difference to the unsuspecting public. They need to seek professional advice. I was involved in a court case were the magistrate found that the department seemed not to understand the law, nor the process. I was fortunate to have the resources not to have to capitulate. It was expensive and all consuming. Many other accused capitulate or conform by way of threats to further action. It’s unfair, in many ways far worse than conscription.

  13. Top Ender:
    Per your #3210022 comment:

    Those dollars aren’t ‘approved’ in Defence’s parlance, which means the department doesn’t have the government’s approval to spend all that money. The recent release of Defence’s 2018–19 annual report confirmed that the total approved budget is now $5,963 million after the government approved the latest tranche of funding of $3,723 million (web table D.3). That apparently gets the program to the end of the design phase and to the start of construction in 2022–23; $6 billion doesn’t buy us any actual submarines.

    Let me repeat the guts of that: For the cost so far for the French subs, we could have nearly three Virginia class subs.
    I think it’s about time some bloody hard questions were asked in Defence Acquisition.

  14. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘Avoided it, did you?’

    I’m glad you brought this up, because I’m going to explain this once, and only once. Whenever your daily memory loss strikes you, you’ll have to link back.

    The only deployment my battalion had during my service was Gulf War I, and we didn’t even get to do that.

    At the time, my crew were rotated onto what they called the Operational Deployment Force. When rotated on, we all had ADF issued pagers.

    One Saturday evening they all went off. We got back to Lavarack as best we could and were told we were off, so we suited up and within six hours 700 of us were at RAAF Garbutt, packed up and already bombed up. A fleet of 130s was on the tarmac warming up, and pallets of shit were going everywhere.

    This went on for some hours, and then we were all stood down. I have no idea why to this day. In an attempt to assuage our deflation and no doubt to work off the adrenaline, when we got back they took us on a 40km route march.

    Aside from a couple of other OS trips which didn’t qualify, that was it. I was slated to be part of the 50-odd to go to Somalia in 93 on Op SOLACE but managed aling with half a dozen other blokes to get enough frostbite in New Zealand to end my infantry career.

    Unlike you, I had to be dragged kicking and screaming out of the Army, rather than into it. Bottom line – I was prepared to do what you feared the most.

    And, just as a kicker- while suiting up at barracks, three blokes in my rifle company – these were regs, remember – jacked up and said they didn’t want to go into a potential war zone.

    Not only were they left behind, but they weren’t there when we got back and they were never seen again.

    You’re a coward, Locknload. And a lying coward at that.


  15. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    numbers! will you be my therapy weasel?

  16. Leigh Lowe

    Knuckle Dragger

    #3210522, posted on November 13, 2019 at 10:58 am



    Pronounced “yo-seff” dude.

  17. feelthebern

    Public servants don’t make policy.
    They operationalise it.

    They weaponize it.
    Two examples.
    1) The deep state has butchered the First Step Act in the US.
    2) The public service has knowingly failed with hazard reduction in NSW.

  18. Stimpson J. Cat

    Can I just say that this is an absolutely wonderful morning on Australia’s Leading Vietnam War Blog.

    I am heading off to work, but before I go I have a humble request :

    Can Catallaxys foremost Vietnam historian,
    Numbers 1735099,
    please post a 5000 word film review of
    Danger Close – The Battle Of Long Tan?

    It would really be much appreciated.

    Thanks in advance.

    Bye everyone!
    Have a great day!


  19. Shy Ted

    Richard Branson’ new venture is Virgin Voyages. Personally I prefer Easy Escapes.

  20. feelthebern

    Moodys announced a lot of changes over night to the credit ratings of dozens of UK & Euro bank debt.
    All pretty marginal & had zero impact on prices.
    However, what jumped out was that Moody’s now uses some form of SOCIAL score in their benchmark rating criteria.
    I understand that being used in a ESG filter.
    But WTF is a SOCIAL score being used in benchmarked ratings?

  21. 8th Dan

    Bottom line – I was prepared to do what you feared the most.

    Bottom line – You never served – anywhere.


  22. Rex Mango

    In UK, not only do Public Servants undermine government, but the executive undermines itself as evidenced by Theresa May’s performance as PM.

  23. Knuckle Dragger

    And predictably, Liability Bob’s daughter shows up.

    Watch me cry, little girl.

  24. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    please post a 5000 word film review of
    Danger Close – The Battle Of Long Tan?

    DVD’s being released at the beginning of December.

  25. stackja

    Message from the Secretary
    Welcome to the Department of Planning, Industry and Environment.
    Jim Betts

    Jim Betts is the Secretary of the Department of Planning and Environment. Jim joined Infrastructure NSW following five years as the Secretary of the Victorian Department of Transport and four years as Victoria’s Director of Public Transport at the Victorian Department of Infrastructure.

    Not long ago, Victoria’s Director of Public Transport made his media debut on a windswept plaza outside the Collins Street tower formerly known as Nauru House.

    It has been an unorthodox journey for a working-class boy from the English town of Reading. Betts is from coal mining stock, nursed on the politics of the pit. As a teenager he would catch the train to London on weekends to pogo in front of bands such as The Clash and The Jam. “I was a punk rocker,” he says. “Black spikey hair, jeans stuck together with safety pins, all of that.”

    He was a proud communist with an anarchistic streak. A sharp mind got him to Oxford University, where he studied under his hero Christopher Hill, the most famous Marxist historian of his generation.

  26. Rex Mango

    8th Dan, that is not a logical statement.

  27. Rex Mango

    8th Dan, here’s your logic; You have never been to New York, coward.

  28. Top Ender

    More on the Yuendumu incident, when the medical people returned to the place post-shooting, after earlier being evacuated:

    “You’re late, you’re f***ing late,” came a voice from the crowd as an ambulance pulled into the Yuendumu police station about 8:30pm.

    The NT Health Department said the two health workers who arrived from Yuelamu were later injured when rocks were thrown at their ambulance.

    “Rocks went through the window and our staff — these are big boulders — hit our nurses in the head and in the arms, and our nurses were injured on that night,” Mr Reeves said.


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