Open Forum: November 9, 2019

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  1. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    Aah, but Motherlode, is it unprecedented nice sitting-outside-with-open-fire-maybe-with-a-robust-red-and-snacks-or-even-a-block-of-cheddar-cheese-and-chunks-of-damper-bread weather?

    That’s the important bit.

  2. Mother Lode

    It’s OK, calli.

    Treasury assures me that if I just blow the future’s dashes then it will produce even more dashes in the future.

    Dollars, dashes, donuts – works for anything apparently.

    Squander our way to a richer, dashier tomorrow!

  3. calli

    Sadly not, Snoopy. It was either the Magnificent Ché (are they chainsaw shoes?) or the Galapagos.

    I chose the iguanas.

  4. Mother Lode

    Thanks for the amendment, MV.

    Now Greta Thunderbird can endorse the government making it policy.

    Better than bicycle lanes.

  5. Infidel Tiger

    I always knew cricket was a mentally challenging game, but what in the hell is going on?!

  6. bespoke

    Does the earth circle around the sun?

    How can it it’s flat

  7. Mitch M.

    How a Sydney dad fought for his daughter’s overtime pay and uncovered a wage scandal

    There is too much of this going on in Australia. It’s theft and should be treated as a criminal offence, especially for those assholes who underpay teenagers.

  8. Sinclair Davidson

    All I can say about Lizzie slipping her gown – photos or it didn’t happen.

  9. Sinclair Davidson

    Winston @ 5.56pm

    It works like this. The HC can hear appeals on points of law but not new evidence.

    OR

    The High Court can hear new cases.

    Jeremy Gans argument is that Pell did not win the right to an appeal yesterday. That would mean the HC could only hear legal argument and not evidence.

    Rather the decision to appeal itself was referred to the HC. That means the HC will hear a new case – in theory then new evidence can be introduced.

    The point being that the way the decision yesterday was framed that means the HC can more or less do what it wants. Maximum flexibility is maintained.

  10. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    Thanks for the amendment, MV.

    No problems, Mother Lode. Now please excuse me for a while.
    I have to think of a gentle way to explain to Calli about her lost hyphen.
    At least I think that’s how it’s spelled.

  11. Arky

    Big question at end of interview. How do we get more female economists?

    ..
    Two bricks?

  12. Arky

    Big question at end of interview. How do we get more female economists?

    ..
    Exploding underpants?

  13. Arky

    Big question at end of interview. How do we get more female economists?

    ..
    Zippers made from live piranhas?

  14. Arky

    Big question at end of interview. How do we get more female economists?

    ..
    Upside down ride on mowers?

  15. Bruce in WA

    Not fireplace weather, but nice sitting-outside-with-open-fire-maybe-with-a-robust-red-and-snacks-or-even-a-block-of-cheddar-cheese-and-chunks-of-damper-bread weather.

    38 °C here today; 39 °C tomorrow. Went and sat outside with Mrs BiWA a short while ago, with a nicely chilled sav blanc. Howling sou’westerly and heat radiating up from the paving bricks — even though under cover — meant we hurriedly abandoned that idea for the air-con inside.

  16. Arky

    Big question at end of interview. How do we get more female economists?

    ..
    Slather their [email protected] in whiskers and take them to the aquarium?

  17. Arky

    Oh God.
    I have only been a feminist for ten hours and already I’m planning on castrating men.

  18. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    Big question at end of interview. How do we get more female economists?

    Give long wigs to half the existing ones, and we’ll never know the difference.
    Apparently being bald is a prerequisite for being an economist.
    That, and being perpetually wrong.

  19. Snoopy

    (are they chainsaw shoes?)

    I think they may represent condor feathers. Some sort of allusion to an Indian god.

  20. pete m

    The problem for the High Court is they don’t grant special leave just because the appellant has a solid argument on appeal.

    In criminal cases, like civil, they start off with seeing if there is any issue at law with national impact and of great importance.

    Then if that is raised assess if has prospects.

    In criminal cases I am sure they also have a view on the most serious crimes, eg murder, being the Court of last resort, and ensuring justice was done.

    The problem for Pell’s special leave application is:

    – recent H C authority right on point explaining law – so no new national important point to make – not High Court’s fault the Court of Appeal stuffed up
    – shortish sentence – he has not been sentenced to 30+ years
    – defendant got full benefit of amazing legal representation throughout

    They have an eye to future SL applications in crim cases who just can argue I’m innocent. They’d be flooded with SL applications if they grant Pells on a weak SL point.

    It is very promising he got over first hurdle.

    I can only suspect Court may be asking through Registrar directions for any new evidence and perhaps a single judge then decides if the party can raise it at the hearing. They may want a solid excuse for granting special leave.

    Still can’t believe those 2 CA flogs rejected his appeal.

  21. Knuckle Dragger

    So I just got off the phone with an old mate of mine in VicPol. He was front and centre directing a bit of stuff at the recent XR shitfest. Naturally, the conversation turned to gluing oneself to stuff.

    Evidently on one of the protest days, an enterprising young lass got there early, and I mean before dawn early. She’d deduced from the previous day that because of the drama etc at the main entrance that the delegates would try to use another route to get in.

    So, in the cold early light she industrial-glued her hand to the door handle of a side entrance just around the corner.

    Dawn comes, and post-brekky the cops all get there. The plan hadn’t changed, and the delegates were still going to use the main entrance. A couple of cops espied the young ladeeee, wandered up to her and said ‘We’re still using the main doors today. See ya.’ So there she stayed, glued to a non-used door around the corner, out of both camera view and earshot.

    She was there till mid afternoon before her mates worked out a way to dissolve the glue. Midway through, the urge to squeeze the lemon hit her, so apparently a bucket was found and delivered, and to preserve her modesty a semi-circle of chivalrous hippie scum derobed and held their shirts out like they do with blankets at car accidents and murder scenes.

  22. Arky

    Vietnam, Vietnam, Vietnam with a dash of grey nurse thrown in.

    ..
    I’ve seen that musical.
    It was shit.

  23. Leigh Lowe

    Sinclair Davidson

    #3212025, posted on November 14, 2019 at 8:59 pm

    All I can say about Lizzie slipping her gown – photos or it didn’t happen.

    I am OK with brief written statements.

  24. feelthebern

    Did I just hear Credlin correctly: that firies at Rockhampton were told that if they back-burn tonight they will be charged with arson?

    Has this been confirmed ?

  25. egg_

    grey nurse

    Did “the collar match the cuffs”?

  26. Geriatric Mayfly

    Labelled in advance as a white supremacist, a guest speaker makes his way the Vassar College. These triggered, time wasting illiterates didn’t even know their way to the college library.

    They organized safe spaces for my visit. They organized safety teams to guide people to safe spaces with glow sticks if they couldn’t find the safe spaces. In the library, which was the main safe space, they had coloring books for students—college students.

  27. Leigh Lowe:
    Wussia! Wussia! Wussia!
    Ukwayne! Ukwayne! Ukwayne!
    Vietnom! Vietnom! Vietnom!

    HAHAHAHAHA!
    Is that accent correct?

  28. Steve trickler

    Al White interview @ 7:53.

    On completion of watching it, i was rattled.

    Just being honest.

  29. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Kumanjayi Walker: Race rupture over Yuendumu murder charge

    Amos Aikman
    Northern Correspondent
    @amosaikman
    Jamie Walker
    Associate Editor
    @Jamie_WalkerOz
    3 minutes ago November 14, 2019

    A Northern Territory police ­officer charged with the murder of an Aboriginal teenager during an attempted arrest in a remote ­community has been spirited out of Alice Springs to Canberra, sparking anger among indigenous leaders and tensions in the Territory police force.

    More than 1000 people demonstrated in Alice Springs on Thursday over the killing of 19-year-old Kumanjayi Walker, who was allegedly shot by 28-year-old constable Zachary Rolfe on Saturday in the remote community of Yuendumu.

    Breaking, from the Oz.

  30. Knuckle Dragger

    Watch what happens when Rolfe beats the moida beef. There’s be Rodney King-style riots all over every community and town in the NT.

    Preliminary estimates indicate a damage bill in the vicinity of $7.40.

  31. Knuckle Dragger

    Finally.

    Ranatunga ibn-Miandad has been dumped. And good riddance.

    (h/t John C. Of course.)

  32. EvilElvis

    I have decided to become a feminist.
    It’s time.

    Crikey! Browsing through today’s offerings after work. Can’t quite get past Arkys great rant. I’m with you brother, er, sister! I’m off out the front to burn my moob bra and tell the world I’m free!

  33. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    It’s not just in the NT, Knuckles.
    The first, major protest this morning was in Melbourne.
    And yes, most of the protesters were whiter than I am.

  34. Rockdoctor

    PM accommodating union tool & Nick Reece trashing PM tonight. Even Bromwyn not getting a word in edgewise but owning Reece when she does. Had enough, outta there…

  35. Professor, Dr. Doomlord, Czar of all the Cats, Master of the Smote, Defender of the Weak and Insipid, Sir.

    It works like this. The HC can hear appeals on points of law but not new evidence.
    OR
    The High Court can hear new cases.
    Jeremy Gans argument is that Pell did not win the right to an appeal yesterday. That would mean the HC could only hear legal argument and not evidence.

    OK – I kind of get it, it seems like the High Court can do whatever it likes…

  36. Arky

    I’m with you brother,

    ..
    Welcome to the revolution brother.
    I’ve made scones.

  37. EvilElvis

    Scones, divine! I’ll bring some home made preserve and fresh cream.

    Now, what to wear….

  38. Arky

    Now, what to wear….

    ..
    We are going to have to find out what billionaire women like blokes to wear, and wear that.
    I feel the flannies and levis aren’t cutting it.
    But now that we are free from manual labour we can concentrate on getting those nice fluffy gym muscles the ladies like.

  39. Steve trickler

    Good fun. This is a repeat.



  40. Knuckle Dragger

    Any woman who’s not a flanno fan isn’t worth it.

    No matter what ‘it’ is, it’s not worth throwing away your self-respect.

    Flanno or fuck off, I say.

  41. Bushkid

    Bubbles
    #3211950, posted on November 14, 2019 at 7:03 pm
    Did I just hear Credlin correctly: that firies at Rockhampton were told that if they back-burn tonight they will be charged with arson?
    It’s all over. We have lost.

    If true, that’s hellishly unfunny. I have friends and clients in the middle of that. Some already burnt out apart (thankfully) for the house, their animals singed but OK so far. Others still evacuated, and may be allowed to return on the weekend. Depends on what happens with the fires. If experienced firies on their home ground are being stopped from carrying out controlled burns to keep the place safer while we’ve got a small respite in the weather, that’s verging on criminal. We can only hope there are no more weather changes to stir things up again.

  42. Black Ball

    Yes I did hear this Sir Dragger. Not before time either that Usman was given the Khyber Pass. Stylish knocks of 25 just can’t be considered as a pass.

  43. EvilElvis

    Flanno or fuck off, I say.

    I’m with Arky, KD. Millionaire in public, the flanno stays in the bedroom. Rowwwrrr!

    Holy shit Arky. Gym means Activewear™!

  44. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    War hero slams ADF top brass for putting their jobs before suffering veterans

    War hero Ben Roberts-Smith has offered some stark advice to potential military recruits — ‘Don’t join the ADF’ — as he accused defence leaders of shamefully protecting their own careers at the expense of rank and file soldiers.
    Sharri Markson, The Daily Telegraph
    Subscriber only
    |
    November 14, 2019 9:58pm

    dailytelegraph.com.au2:30

    War hero Ben Roberts-Smith says the top of the Australian Defence Force need to go for shamefully protecting their own careers at the expense of rank and file soldiers.

    In forthright comments from Australia’s most decorated former soldier, Mr Roberts-Smith said he could no longer recommend young Australians join the Defence Force under its current leadership, who are failing to support veterans.

    “My opinion is the Australian Defence Force needs good young Australians … but when you look at what is happening at the moment it gives me pause to think, ‘Is it a good option for somebody to do that,’ knowing that at any point you could be injured, leave and not be supported in a way that is expected and that you should be supported because you have chosen to serve,” he said.

    “So from my perspective at the moment, it would take serious consideration before you would be advising people to (join the ADF).

    “I say that (but) it could change very quickly because it’s all about the leadership.”

    Asked if there needs to be new leadership at the very top of the Defence Force, the Victoria Cross and Medal of Gallantry recipient gave a one-word answer: “Absolutely.”

    In a situation Mr Roberts-Smith described as “shameful”, he said today’s returning soldiers were being treated as poorly as Vietnam veterans were — but today it was owing to the military leadership.

    “I actually do think it’s shameful, and I say that because this is a lesson that Australia learnt a long time ago, and I think one of the worst examples of this is the Vietnam veteran issue that we faced,” he said.

    “The Vietnam veterans came back and were treated horrendously by this country … because the politics were not understood.

    “In today’s military, the civilian community and Australians in general are supportive of their military and were through the whole time we were in Afghanistan and Iraq and that’s always been acknowledged. Their support has been great, and what it appears to be now is we’re actually being let down by our own military.”

    Let’s se the swivel chair commando’s spin their way out of this one…

  45. Steve trickler

    Check out these Ladies.



  46. Snoopy

    Let’s se the swivel chair commando’s spin their way out of this one…

    Blah, blah, blah, proud tradition, blah, blh, blah, international conventions, blah, blah, blah, international criminal court, blah, blah, blah…

  47. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    Let’s se the swivel chair commando’s spin their way out of this one…

    Trouble is, Zulu, they won’t have to.
    That deafening silence you hear is our politicians studiously ignoring the issue.

  48. Bruce in WA

    Dirty Harry? Wimp!

    Bruce Willis? Gay!

    This guy doesn’t even flinch when he pulls the trigger!!

  49. Black Ball

    Good Lord Bad Moms 2 is pathetic viewing. Went 10 minutes and FMD I would rather tolerate having my left nut taken out with a butter knife.

  50. Bruce in WA

    I shit you not; this is actually being touted as “fashionable” for men.

  51. Bruce in WA

    Good Lord Bad Moms 2 is pathetic viewing.

    True! But I just close my eyes and imagine Mila Kunis and Kirsten Bell naked and pleading with me — and wearing a gag so I don’t have to put up with their whining voices!

  52. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Arky, that was a lovely pic of yourself up there and no reason to be shy about it, but just because you are a feminist now doesn’t mean you have to go out in sympathy and wear a dress. Darling boy, it just does not flatter you unless you fully transition and that means one thing: body hair off. All over, including a [email protected] Brazillian.

    My manicurist Myrtle is currently retraining for just such a job. She’ll trim you up first ‘down there’ with her little scissors and then get waxing if the pink dress really is your way to go. No need for me to mention that Myrtle is a dab hand with the nail shellac which dries like armour plate and that with her last Brazzie client she confused the shellac for the wax, because Myrtle only makes mistakes like that on days ending with Y. This client’s goolies ended up hard enough for a game of billiards but, as she pointed out to him, with a very attractive sheen to them. Myrtle gave him a discount but he still complained. There’s just no pleasing some people. I’ve booked you in for next Monday morning at eleven, Arky.

  53. Bruce in WA

    Lizzie!!!! What are you drinking????

  54. Arky

    unless you fully transition

    ..
    As a feminist, I find your assertion that blokes can be women highly offensive.

  55. Black Ball

    One redeeming feature Bruce of WA is indeed the presence of those 2 darlings.

  56. max

    Al White interview @ 7:53.

    Thanks, Steve, for posting it. Outstanding.

  57. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I am just off to read further into my bedtime book about about the Tatooist of Auschwitz, Bruce. You have to work up to that. I am stone cold sober, well almost. Had my one glass of wine at 8 o’clock.

    Goodnight now.

  58. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    You bloody feminists are always getting up my nose, Arky. If it’s not one thing, it’s another.

    Look, accept that it’s just your period’s about to arrive. Remember what a blessed relief it is when that finally happens? Of course you do. 🙂

  59. Arky

    All that I, and my brother feminists want is female superiority.
    We simply ask that women take up the burden that we have been carrying for so long.
    Meanwhile, someone has to look nice and take two hour baths while planning various social outings.
    We are prepared to do that for the right, fabulously wealthy women.

  60. Top Ender

    Kumanjayi Walker: Race rupture over Yuendumu murder charge

    Constable Zach Rolfe arriving at Canberra Airport. He was charged on Wednesday over the fatal shooting of a man at Yuendumu. Picture: Kym Smith

    AMOS AIKMAN
    NORTHERN CORRESPONDENT
    @amosaikman

    AN HOUR AGO NOVEMBER 14, 2019

    A Northern Territory police ­officer charged with the murder of an Aboriginal teenager during an attempted arrest in a remote ­community has been spirited out of Alice Springs to Canberra, sparking anger among indigenous leaders and tensions in the Territory police force.

    More than 1000 people demonstrated in Alice Springs on Thursday over the killing of 19-year-old Kumanjayi Walker, who was allegedly shot by 28-year-old constable Zachary Rolfe on Saturday in the remote community of Yuendumu.

    The shooting has caused the worst rupture in relations between police and the indigenous community since the death in custody on north Queensland’s Palm ­Island of Cameron Mulrunji Doomadgee in 2004. Accused assailant, then police sergeant Chris Hurley, faced trial for manslaughter but was controversially acquitted, inciting residents of the island off Townsville to riot.

    The NT Police Association said Constable Rolfe, who late on Thursday returned home to his family in Canberra after being granted bail in an out-of-sessions court hearing, would plead not guilty and “vigorously contest” the murder charge. He presented a ­defiant face on arrival at ­Canberra Airport, but declined to comment on the murder charge.

    Chief Minister Michael Gunner and federal Indigenous Australians Minister Ken Wyatt sought to calm tensions.

    “What I ask for, right here, right now, is that everyone remains ­respectful to each other,” Mr Gunner said on Thursday. “We cannot let and will not let this divide us.”

    After flying to Alice Springs, where Constable Rolfe was based, Mr Wyatt is understood to have met elders from Walker’s clan group, the Warlpiri, and members of his family. “Now is not the time for blame,” Mr Wyatt said in a post. “Now is the time to care for those that need it most in our community. It is a time for compassion.”

    Territory police commissioner Jamie Chalker, sworn-in only on Monday, called for calm.

    He recognised that members of the force were “hurting”. “My police’s strength is only as strong as my weakest link,’’ Mr Chalker said. “I need all my officers to step to the fore, to trust one another, to trust in the process, to remember the oath that they took and the importance of integrity, ethics and fairness.’’

    Mr Chalker stressed the ­importance of building strong, ­respectful relationships with remote communities.

    Constable Rolfe’s release on bail, not generally granted to a ­defendant facing such a serious charge, was bitterly criticised by Walker’s bereaved family. Eddie Robertson, the grandfather of Walker’s partner, said he believed an indigenous person facing murder charges would not be freed from custody.

    “It’s hopeless … they let him out,” Mr Robertson said. “I believe that, in this case, maybe he should go through Aboriginal law. He should be speared (in the leg). He would still be alive after that.”

    NT police have refused ­requests from Warlpiri elders to stop carrying guns in remote ­communities in the wake of the fatal shooting.

    Ill-feeling in indigenous communities across the Territory spiked when it was revealed ­Walker did not receive immediate medical treatment because staff of the medical clinic at Yuendumu, 300km northwest of Alice Springs, had left the community.

    There have been claims that community unrest interfered with the police response and made the medivac of Walker difficult.

    Walker was shot at a relative’s home while Constable Rolfe and his police partner were attempting to arrest him.

    Otto Sims, a Warlpiri figure, ­insisted any attempts to blame the community for contributing to Walker’s death were wrong.

    “We are the ones who went through trauma,” Mr Sims said. “It will take a long time to heal … how could this happen?”

    Mr Robertson said police should “not be using guns in ­remote areas where nobody (else) carries guns, and nobody wants war with indigenous people”.

    Yuendumu residents were at first jubilant to learn the news of Constable Rolfe being charged with murder, only to have this turn to dismay after the announcement he had been granted bail.

    Human rights lawyer Stewart Levitt said he had been contacted by members of the community concerned about the integrity of any investigation by police.

    Mr Levitt, who represented ­Aboriginal residents on Palm ­Island after the riot over Doomadgee’s death, said “police should not be investigating police’’. He said NT police had ­already contacted one local indigenous group asking for evidence related to the killing.

    “There are concerns that the crime scene was not cordoned off or treated like a crime scene for 11 hours,’’ he said. “The community is concerned about the integrity of any investigation by the police. They are not comfortable with the notion of police investigating themselves.

    “There should be an out-of-state investigation, preferably from NSW, Victoria or Tasmania.’’

    Robin Granites, another senior Warlpiri man, echoed most of Mr Robertson’s criticism of Constable Rolfe being given bail but disagreed about traditional punishment. Mr Granites said police accused of crimes should face their own law, but locals also wanted a separate inquiry independent of the NT government to ensure transparency.

    He said children had been running scared from police officers since Saturday’s shooting and that officers continued to roam Yuendumu with assault weapons.

    “Why is it that they’ve always got these bloody guns with them?” Mr Granites asked. “In my youth, we were always playing football and basketball with the police … we had really good times with the police, but today that doesn’t happen. You see the cops on their own, walking around as if they run the bloody community.”

    A police spokesman said the best means of restoring trust was through “continuing engagement”. “Police will continue to carry guns as part of their usual operational accoutrements, which meets the legislative requirements for health and safety as an employer,” the spokesman said.

    The last fatal police shooting of an indigenous person to be classified as a death in custody was that of Mark Edward Mason, 44, who was shot twice during a struggle with a police officer at a house in Collarenebri, NSW, in 2010.

    ADDITIONAL REPORTING: MICHAEL MCKENNA . Oz complete

  61. Black Ball

    Hopefully he goes full throttle on all and sundry in attendance. From the Hun:

    ‘Ricky Gervais will host the Golden Globes for a record fifth time in January organisers have announced.
    The annual film and television awards are seen by many as an important forecast for Oscars success.
    Gervais’ no holds barred humour as host has drawn praise and criticism in previous years.
    “Once again they’ve made me an offer I can’t refuse. But this is the very last time I’m doing this, which could make for a fun evening.” Gervais said.’

    Go all in on Harvey Weinstein and Killary whilst wearing a MAGA cap then mic drop. After asking the audience who hasn’t been touched by Roman Polanski. Who has been in the news of late.

  62. Ball

    What’s up in the Harv news?

    Remember when the NYPD told an accuser to delete exculpatory evidence off her phone?

  63. Black Ball

    Not Weinstein Frank, it is Polanski. There have been 2 women in the last week who have claimed that he roped them in the mid 70s.

  64. Hazmatic

    The question was asked today. Where were the volunteers for Vietnam?

    I can help with that. Again…

    Frank Topp a Regular Army soldier obviously.

    The Combat Stenographers 2016 Version

    One of those who died was Frank Topp, from Helidon, down the range from here. I wnt (sic) to school with him at Downlands college, where he was an occasional protector for me. I was very small for my age, 1000 kilometres from home, and in those days (the early 1960s) there were no anti-bullying programmes.
    Frank was a fairly large lad, and stood up for me.
    I had no idea he had been killed at Long Tan until I came across his grave at Helidon Catholic cemetery in 2003. I was deputising for our Regional Director at the funeral service of a Teacher Aide’s son who was killed in a motor accident, and noticed the characteristic ADF headstone.
    Frank was killed in the first few minutes of the battle. He had been marched into 6 RAR from Reo company the day before the battle. He would not have had time to get to know the men he died with.

    Compare and contrast that to the Combat Stenographers 2019 Version

    The movie is Danger Close, the recently released account of the Battle of Long Tan on 18th August 1966.
    The story resonates with me for a number of reasons.
    I went to school at Downlands with Frank Topp, who was killed in the opening few minutes of the battle. He is represented by a few seconds of footage when he is marched into D Company as a reinforcement on the morning of the 18th August. In the movie, he’s one of the two diggers given a briefing about the reputation of Harry Smith’s crew as he arrives.
    I copped a bit of bullying at Downlands in 1961 when I started as a skinny fourteen year-old. I was a schoolies son from North Queensland, not the offspring of a wealthy land holder from the Western Downs, as a fair proportion of my school mates were at the time. Frank, for reasons I’ve never really understood, acted frequently as my protector.
    He was well built and burly, so they left me alone. Perhaps the fact that his old man was a small crop farmer from Helidon, rather than a cow cockie from a big holding helped. We were both on the outer.
    Frank left Downlands (as I did) at the end of 1962, and joined the army as an apprentice in RAEME. He became fascinated by the warries he began to hear about Vietnam, and transferred to Infantry. He arrived in Vietnam on the 16th July 1966, and was marched into D Coy 6 RAR on the morning of the battle. He didn’t have time to get to know the diggers he died with.

    Whenever the combat stenographer wishes to insinuate himself in an ANZACKERY way into the Long Tan legend there are always these three elements repeated.
    1) I knew Frank Topp.
    2) I camped in a rubber plantation one night in April 1970.
    3) I visited the Long Tan Cross a few years ago.

    There weren’t blokes cutting about in the 1950’s claiming that they knew a bloke that was in the first pinnace ashore at ANZAC Cove, once went to a Turkish restaurant and had a cutting from Lone Pine growing in a pot on the back veranda and hoping that this established their credibility as some sort of expert on the conduct of WW1.

    The stenographer then uses this tenuous set of associations as an argumentum ad verecundiam. This then becomes his hook to hang every boilerplate leftist meme related to Vietnam and his intense devotion for the National Liberation Front enemy that killed his ‘friend’ Frank Topp.
    You could not make it up…

    I am not going to dwell too long on the significant disparities between the 2016 version of the Stenographers yarn and the 2019 iteration. Suffice to say that the position through the years has substantially shifted from “I had no idea he had been killed at Long Tan.” To this absolute certainty. “He became fascinated by the warries he began to hear about Vietnam, and transferred to Infantry.”

    The could be due to the fabrication, embellishment and exaggeration that those familiar with the personality have come to accept as normal. Alternatively, further research may have been conducted that delved the nugget “He became fascinated by the warries he began to hear about Vietnam, and transferred to Infantry”

    I’m prepared to discount the further research thesis. The reason for my harsh judgement is that basic research – really basic research shows that another crucial element of the ‘yarn’ is fundamentally incorrect. The records show that Frank Topp arrived in Vietnam in July 1966 posted to 1 Australian Reinforcement Unit. He was then posted to the strength of 6RAR precisely two weeks before the Battle of Long Tan on the 4th August 1966. But “He didn’t have time to get to know the diggers he died with.”
    Too good a line not to use…

    You can tell when the stenographer is lying. His keyboard is rattling.

    Another question was asked. Is it correct that a distinction should be made between doctorates awarded to Officer’s and OR’s? The answer is of course no. The reason why I made the distinction was in deference to Captain Bob O’Neill who had completed his PhD at Oxford in 1965. His thesis was published while he was on active service with 5RAR in 1966. If a PhD candidate purports to write history of an army he was once a member of perhaps he should have some knowledge of the history of that army?

    He also should also know some academic history? In his academic field he is standing on the shoulders of giants. Dr Robert O’Neill ’65 and Dr Terence Burstall ’91. Both brilliant researchers, tight writers and novel thinkers. Worthy recipients.

    It really is now up to the supervisor to prove that Caps and Gowns don’t come in corn flake packets these days.

    Bob O’Neill was the author of the 5RAR battalion history published in 1968 ‘Vietnam Task’. It was not his best work.

    Also, Hi Lex!

  65. Steve trickler

    This will never grow old.



  66. jupes

    20 minutes in…..this is a great doco. Raw!

    That was fantastic. I watched the whole thing. Respect to Al White.

    Thanks for that Steve.

  67. Steve trickler

    Ha! Funny as f&&k. You couldn’t do it today.



  68. Steve trickler

    Great intro. Sleep well, everybody.



  69. Mark A

    Bruce in WA
    #3212095, posted on November 14, 2019 at 11:24 pm

    I shit you not; this is actually being touted as “fashionable” for men.

    Bruce I’m having serious doubts about you, how on earth do you find sites like that?

  70. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Great intro. Sleep well, everybody.

    Supposed to have been an Australian version of “The Cannonball Run” way back when, from Adelaide to Perth. Western Australian, and South Australian coppers had a field day across the Nullabor, knocking off the speed demons. The winners arrived in Perth, driving a Holden one ton ute, with three 200 liter drums of fuel on the tray, having only had to stop to change drivers and refuel.

  71. Cold-Hands

    calli

    That was an enjoyable little clip, I think the bloke likes his job.

    Rats. It turns out that my favourite Slingshot Guy video was faked.

  72. DrBeauGan

    I went to Claremont Quarter today. Three blokes came up to me, one put his arm on my shoulder and said “Jesus loves you.” I detached him and said “Oh, poof, was he?”. He was a bit taken aback, but started to tell me I had quite the wrong idea. I left them to it.

  73. DrBeauGan

    Entropy
    #3212012, posted on November 14, 2019 at 8:39 pm
    I just really enjoyed reading a couple of sci fi novels by Travis Corcoran. The Powers of the earth and it sequel Causes of Separation.

    It won last year’s Prometheus Award.

    Obviously a modernised homage to The Moon is a Harsh Mistress. Is it a heresy to say I thought it better? I think it portrays a lot more complexity around political systems than Robert Heinlein did.

    I had a look at the Kindle sample. It’s not at all bad. I’ll get the whole thing.

  74. Infidel Tiger

    Perhaps they could do something about all the mentally ill and homeless that hang around outside the Quarter these days instead.

  75. DrBeauGan

    I’ve discovered that the bloody government won’t let me make a phone call to Maria. Or anyone else in Cuba.

    Neither Optus nor Vodafone permit phone calls to Cuba. Moreover they both lie about it: they tell you that you haven’t got enough money for it, which cost me twenty bucks because I believed it and did a premature recharge.

    Every day, we lose a freedom we used to take for granted. I’m getting irritated.

  76. Bruce in WA

    Bruce I’m having serious doubts about you, how on earth do you find sites like that?

    Be safe, mate … it was sent to me.

  77. DrBeauGan

    Perhaps they could do something about all the mentally ill and homeless that hang around outside the Quarter these days instead.

    There’s a bloke with a permanent place begging outside the Westpac bank, IT. He’s doing fairly well, I’d guess. Doesn’t look mentally ill. Not you, I hope?

  78. Mark A

    DrBeauGan
    #3212126, posted on November 15, 2019 at 1:03 am

    I’ve discovered that the bloody government won’t let me make a phone call to Maria. Or anyone else in Cuba.

    Neither Optus nor Vodafone permit phone calls to Cuba. Moreover they both lie about it: they tell you that you haven’t got enough money for it, which cost me twenty bucks because I believed it and did a premature recharge.

    Every day, we lose a freedom we used to take for granted. I’m getting irritated.

    But you did call Spikey from there didn’t you?
    Or just email?

  79. Cold-Hands

    Posting this will put you in Twitter gaol.

  80. DrBeauGan

    But you did call Spikey from there didn’t you?
    Or just email?

    No, all done through email. But Maria can call me direct, though mostly she uses WhatsApp. So it’s nothing to do with the Cuban government. It’s the seppos getting the Australian government to kiss its totalitarian arse.

    I think it’s disgusting that our freedoms can be removed to support an entirely counterproductive idiocy of the US state department. How long before the emails get blocked too? It’s all wrong. It’s an abuse of state power.

  81. DrBeauGan

    And the book I sent to Maria and Diaboli has got to Cuba after being held up by the seppos for a month. Now it’s being held up by the Cubans.

    These bastards are as bad as each other. Totalitarian bureaucratic shits the lot of them.

  82. Zatara

    Neither Optus nor Vodafone permit phone calls to Cuba

    Tried Skype?

  83. DrBeauGan

    The only good thing is that notaclue is sound asleep and isn’t here to explain that the yanks are our totalitarian bureaucratic shits so we have to love them.

  84. Mark A

    DrBeauGan
    #3212135, posted on November 15, 2019 at 1:54 am

    The only good thing is that notaclue is sound asleep and isn’t here to explain that the yanks are our totalitarian bureaucratic shits so we have to love them.

    I make no comments about them other than I’ve been there twice and have no wish to ever go again.
    And only because it’s a dead time for the blog and all the pro yanks who can’t have enough of the place are asleep.

    I appreciate their involvement during the war.

  85. DrBeauGan

    Tried Skype

    Skype is outdated it’s been replaced by WhatsApp. Which is how I get to see Maria dancing in the nuddy. But sometimes she runs out of internet, when I seno some money to her phone via ding. I hope even Arky can see that it’s money well spent.

  86. Mark A

    DrBeauGan
    #3212137, posted on November 15, 2019 at 2:00 am

    Tried Skype

    Skype is outdated it’s been replaced by WhatsApp.

    Now you tell me, I thought I was up to date with IT stuff.
    Using Skype for everything and works just fine and dandy, including phone calls.

  87. Mark A

    I see it’s for phones only by the looks of it.

  88. DrBeauGan

    I make no comments about them other than I’ve been there twice and have no wish to ever go again.
    And only because it’s a dead time for the blog and all the pro yanks who can’t have enough of the place are asleep.

    I like the American people even many democrats. The deep state is loathsome. I’ve spent about a year there all up in several different parts, although not for a while unless you count a night at the Newark Marriott. But even that was very soothing after Havana. I like their energy and the innate decency of the majority. But their government has got too big and collects power hungry areseholes.

  89. Mark A

    DrBeauGan
    #3212140, posted on November 15, 2019 at 2:11 am

    I like the American people even many democrats. The deep state is loathsome. I’ve spent about a year there all up in several different parts, although not for a while unless you count a night at the Newark Marriott. But even that was very soothing after Havana. I like their energy and the innate decency of the majority. But their government has got too big and collects power hungry areseholes.

    That probably explains the different view we have.
    My visits were quasi political/business, strictly with bureaucrats, loathsome people.
    Can say the same of our own alas, more the pity.

  90. DrBeauGan

    I tried Skype many years ago and the quality of sound was lousy. It didn’t do video calls in those days, so I lost interest. WhatsApp is fairly good. It’s easy to send voice and video and the real time voice is good, and the real time video is variable. Can be good.

  91. JC

    Skype is outdated it’s been replaced by WhatsApp. Which is how I get to see Maria dancing in the nuddy.

    Dude.

  92. DrBeauGan

    That probably explains the different view we have.
    My visits were quasi political/business, strictly with bureaucrats, loathsome people.
    Can say the same of our own alas, more the pity.

    I’m too much of a snob to talk to bureaucrats. I mixed with all sorts from technical academics to ex military vets and shop girls. And black men, some selling clothes ( great threads, man. SId without conviction) to other black men offering drugs. And a black woman trying to get me out of her laundromat because it was for blacks, and there was white laundromat just up the road. I don’t understand racism, and the only racism I came across was black racism. I stopped to listen to a black racist preaching in a New York Street next to central park once. I made him nervous.

    Really good people most of them.

  93. DrBeauGan

    Skype is outdated it’s been replaced by WhatsApp. Which is how I get to see Maria dancing in the nuddy.

    Dude.

    You don’t know the half of it, JC.

  94. Mark A

    DrBeauGan
    #3212144, posted on November 15, 2019 at 2:38 am

    I’m too much of a snob to talk to bureaucrats.

    Lucky you.
    For some of us it’s unavoidable, spec. when you are talking about potentially real money.
    Surprisingly, I found others more forthcoming.
    Be it as it may, put me off for life.

  95. Mark A

    At least the new browser keeps you on time and more prolific, never been off by more than a couple of minutes since.
    WD 😉

  96. Tintarella di Luna

    Thank you Tom

  97. bespoke

    Mark A

    #3212136, posted on November 15, 2019 at 1:58 am

    I make no comments about them other than I’ve been there twice and have no wish to ever go again.
    And only because it’s a dead time for the blog and all the pro yanks who can’t have enough of the place are asleep.

    You people short. If wasn’t for the Trolls being so petty I think you would see more depth in the criticism. And nothing stopping you from doing so.

  98. bespoke

    And at least explain what criticism is missing.

  99. Mark A

    Did You Know?

    U.S. Founding Father and President George Washington wore dentures, but they were not, as is oft-repeated, made of wood.

    Jed Clampett has a lot to answer for, introducing the notion.

  100. bespoke

    In the lead up to Friday night are we going to have yet another rendition of Dirty Dancing by the G-Teem or the return of KD’s live Tinder blogging.

  101. JC

    bespoke
    #3212172, posted on November 15, 2019 at 4:58 am
    Eat What You Want And Die Like A Man: The World’s Unhealthiest Cookbook

    For Joanna. 😎

    It needs oestrogen and lots of it…. not more male hormone. Wtf are you doing?

  102. bespoke

    I did’t know you cared so much for Joanna JC. 😁

  103. JC

    I’m the lead physician trying to get her back to a healthy weight by losing her 40 kilos and raising the oestrogen level. Last blood test there was none!

  104. bespoke

    Always knew you had a companionate side, JC.

  105. JC

    Another day another shooting at a school. This time in California. Strict gun controls seem to be working a treat.

    This is a legitimate question.

    I want to stop school violence as much as anyone, I have 2 kids in school RIGHT NOW.

    What can we do?

    Give me an answer that doesn’t involve restricting law abiding citizens while doing nothing to stop criminals from doing illegal things.

    I agree with the solution.

    How about a program to get moron virgin incels laid on a regular basis? Could it be that simple?

  106. JC

    Happy days for the D’rats.

    The impeachment hearing are going wonderfully…… for the prez ….and the IG /Durham report isn’t too far off.

    The balmy days of November 2019.

    If Comey and Brennan get fashionable and start wearing orange overalls I’ll be a happy camper.

  107. 1735099

    There is too much of this going on in Australia. It’s theft and should be treated as a criminal offence, especially for those assholes who underpay teenagers.

    Well, there was a time when these same teenagers were encouraged to join a union.
    They don’t have a snowflakes chance in hell of being treated fairly without some form of industrial organisation minding their backs.
    Sad but true……

  108. Mark A

    1735099
    #3212181, posted on November 15, 2019 at 6:13 am

    They don’t have a snowflakes chance in hell of being treated fairly without some form of industrial organisation minding their backs.

    Bill Shorten, come on down!

  109. 1735099

    Another day another shooting at a school. This time in California. Strict gun controls seem to be working a treat.

    This is a legitimate question.

    The US does not have “strict gun controls”.
    Some jurisdictions have a modicum of restrictions, but the last time I was in the US I didn’t notice border gates between states. You can drive from one end of the country with an arsenal in your vehicle with impunity.
    If you want to avoid the risk of some lunatic shooting up your kids’ school, move to Oz.

  110. Bruce of Newcastle

    Mark Knight is fun!

    I’m amused at this headline I saw at WSJ just now:

    Cannabis Stocks Fall on Disappointing Earnings

    Investors in cannabis companies are finding their money is going up in smoke this week after a round of disappointing earnings reports.

    Shares of Canopy Growth Corp., the largest cannabis company by market value, slid 17% Thursday after it reported that revenue in the latest quarter fell short of analysts’ expectations and it wrote down the value of its inventory. Shares of the Canada-based company are down 43% so far this year.

    I can’t tell what they think the reason is because of the paywall, but I betcha they’re finding it hard to compete with the black market. Who are quick, agile, experienced and highly entrepreneurial. And who also don’t pay little things like payroll tax, company tax and all that lovely excise that governments have been so banking on.

  111. Bruce of Newcastle

    John Spooner does the new BHP CEO.

    Apparently Mr Henry wants to put “technology and data” at the centre of the company’s future.
    Which is odd since I thought they were supposed to be miners.
    Maybe he intends to mine Bitcoin.

  112. JC

    Bruce

    In a serious note, BHP could automate much more, no?

  113. one old bruce

    ‘Well, there was a time when these same teenagers were encouraged to join a union.’

    Encouraged? When my kids got Saturday retail jobs (at school and uni) in NSW it was mandatory. I used to read the union glossy mailouts to see if they were actually doing anything for the kids, but it was all ‘win a free trip’ ( the winners often looked like rellies of the union staff, just saying ) ‘free textbook coupons’ – beads and trinkets for the innocents being used.

  114. notafan

    I see stupid people have been saying stupid things

    Again.

    I merely pointed out that the US have had a books to Cuba ban in place since 1960.

    And that any changes to those rules depend on Congress not the ‘State department’ as numbers would have.

    Otherwise the Obama era relaxation of travel restrictions would not have happened.

    Better than frothing at the mouth about this bad that bad.

    But let me guess

    Cuba isn’t an all controlling communist hell hole that has killed thousands, imprisons political dissidents and restricts people’s human rights.

    Because Australia is just as bad

    Or something.

    Right DrBoringnosenseofhumourifIamthebuttagain

  115. Eyrie

    “I just really enjoyed reading a couple of sci fi novels by Travis Corcoran. The Powers of the earth and it sequel Causes of Separation.”

    I think I posted that recommendation here a couple of months ago. Fun reads and wide open for sequel.

  116. notafan

    Exactly OLB

    My kids were pressured into joining the SDA even through the fees were disproportionately high.

    I resigned them.

    SDA also signed off on enterprise agreements that took away penalty rates for McDonald’s employees and even though it appears Emirates, a large employer, has been underpaying employees for years the relevant union never noticed a thing.

    But unions be awesome.

    If you’re a mushroom.

  117. feelthebern

    How about a program to get moron virgin incels laid on a regular basis? Could it be that simple?

    The data regarding binge gamers & violence is getting to be a little concerning.
    Giving them rooting vouchers would be a step in the right direction.

  118. 1735099

    question was asked today. Where were the volunteers for Vietnam?
    I can help with that. Again…

    The Anonymous Namedropper can’t resist bloviating in the wee hours. He obviously has a problem with insomnia. Hardly surprising. Raw malice does that to you.
    Explain where my references to Frank Topp vary in any consequential way. As for your assertion that Frank was posted into 6RAR two weeks before the battle, you’re obviously relying on the Vietnam Veterans’ Nominal Roll which shows he arrived in the battalion on 4th August 1966.
    Now that’s interesting. He may have arrived in 6 RAR on 4th August, but wasn’t posted to D Coy until the 17th. Let me delve a bit deeper than a cursory glance at the nominal roll.
    I got to know Frank’s mother, Brigid, before she died a few years ago. I spent a few hours at her home outside Laidley to learn from her about Frank’s life after we parted ways post Downlands. This was partly because she was a wonderful person, and any time with her was well spent, and partly because I wanted to incorporate as much factual information about her son in the address I was preparing for presentation at the school commemorating Anzac Day.
    Brigid certainly believed that he was posted to D Coy 6 RAR on the morning of the battle because she told me she had been upset that he died with men who were strangers to him.
    The same belief is held by Bob Buick –

    On the afternoon of the 17th, I went to Delta Company to pick up two reinforcements for the platoon. They were privates Colin Whiston and Frank Topp. Sadly, I didn’t know that 24 hours later they would both be killed in action. (Bob Grandin, Danger Close, Allen & Unwin, 2019, p 88.)

    And referred to in David Cameron’s Battle of Long Tan

    Sergeant Bob Buick had a similar experience. He recalled the previous afternoon picking up two reinforcements for D Company, Privates Colin Whiston and Frank Topp. He was not to know that with 24 hours both would be killed in action.

    (David Cameron, The Battle of Long Tan, Viking, 2016, p 82.)
    Since they were both quoting Bob Buick, there is a possibility that he was wrong, but I’d place more credibility in Buick’s version of events than the nominal roll. It’s possible that Frank was posted into 6 RAR from Reo wing to another 6 RAR company on 4th August, and then moved to D Coy on the 17th August, but you’re simply looking for a reason to discredit me with this statement –

    The records show that Frank Topp arrived in Vietnam in July 1966 posted to 1 Australian Reinforcement Unit. He was then posted to the strength of 6RAR precisely two weeks before the Battle of Long Tan on the 4th August 1966. But “He didn’t have time to get to know the diggers he died with.”
    Too good a line not to use…
    You can tell when the stenographer is lying. His keyboard is rattling.

    That wasn’t a “good line”; it was fact. As I said – you’re into raw malice. An apology would be appropriate.
    You could also check your assertion that Doug Gibbons was a Nasho whilst you’re at it – in the interest of accuracy.
    Another interesting piece of apparent misreporting is contained in Lex McAuley’s The Battle of Long Tan.
    There is a reference to a Pte F B Topp in the index. When you follow that reference to the nominated page (82), you come across this –

    Graham fired 150 rounds, the M60 stopped, he got up on his knees to clear it, and was hit. He fell over, got up again, and was taken back by Bob Topp. (Lex McCauley, The Battle of Long Tan, Arrow Books, 1986, p 82)

    As far as I know, there was no other soldier with the surname “Topp” in the company, and Frank was killed in the first few minutes of the battle, well before this incident occurred. So there’s a small mystery here. Did McCauley get it wrong? Surely that never happens in your esteemed academic circles. See if you can sort that one out; but don’t you dare criticise McCauley’s credibility.

    If a PhD candidate purports to write history of an army he was once a member of perhaps he should have some knowledge of the history of that army?

    I have no intention of writing a history of “the army he once was a member of”.
    That’s a pissing contest, and has been done to death. It’s also pretty boring.
    I’m looking at the conscription of the ANZAC myth.
    That’s much more engaging.

    I’ve managed a HD standard so far with my research Masters, and will continue that into semester 1 2020.
    Thanks for your accidental assistance.

  119. feelthebern

    In a serious note, BHP could automate much more, no?

    In the Pilbara, BHP needs to catchup to Rio & Fortescue.
    At one of Fortescue’s newer sights, they have 100% autonomous trucks.

  120. one old bruce

    PS, not even ‘free textbooks’ but ‘10% off’ at the Union bookshop…

    – merchandise tie-ins. Solidarity forever comrades!

  121. feelthebern

    I’ve managed a HD standard so far with my research Masters, and will continue that into semester 1 2020.

    The standards at Toowoomba Tech are globally renowned.

  122. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘my research Masters’

    They hand them out to long-serving illiterate prisoners for free.

    It is one of the great shames of our time that people who have earned actual and real Masters, including a not insignificant number here, have had this formerly prestigious award dumbed down to several essays and a creative writing class or two.

  123. Knuckle Dragger

    Brookes’ imagery this morning is excellent.

  124. notafan

    I have a general dislike of novels, particularly inaccurate ones, set in the Shoah.

    Perhaps it is the idea of people profiting from the suffering of others.

    Didn’t bother with the boy in striped pyjamas for that reason.

    inauthentic

  125. 1735099

    Another school shooting in the land of the free.
    Perhaps their legal system will succeed where their lawmakers have failed.

  126. Knuckle Dragger

    bespoke,

    Tinder is cyclical in the quality of its content. At present, in my part of the world at least it is a desolate wasteland occupied only by 45 year old hippopotami and stock model photos purporting to be 21 year old called Elspeth and Doris.

    These are of course bots, and they invariably ask you to go to and like their Insta pages or somesuch. You could have some fun with their circuitry and message these bots, asking them if they liked the rain today (dry season – nothing for seven months).

    You would get a reply, which you could read to yourself in a robot voice: ‘Yes! Lovely rain today. You are very handsome.’ Then you’d reply ‘Seeya bot’ and that used to be the end of them.

    But they’re slowly evolving. Now when you go ‘Seeya bot’ they come back with (robot voice): ‘I am not a bot’.

  127. Johno

    And every day Hazmatic comes onto the thread and thoroughly discredits old Sniffy.

    Spell BOOR Sniffy.

  128. feelthebern

    hippopotami

    A word that needs to be used more.

  129. stackja

    Rosie Batty says Tracey Spicer needs to take ownership for her ‘egregious mistake’

    Activist Rosie Batty has slammed Tracey Spicer’s response after the names of several victims of domestic violence were released.
    Staff writers, News Corp Australia Network
    Subscriber only

    November 15, 2019 5:55am

    Former Australian of the Year Rosie Batty has taken Tracey Spicer to task for her response to several names of domestic violence victims being released without their consent.

    Spicer said she was “truly sorry” and “gutted” after the women’s identities were exposed in a preview of an ABC documentary on the #MeToo movement.

    However, she has blamed the ABC and the program’s producer for the error, saying she was just one of “many participants” who worked on the documentary, Silent No More.

    “Tracey can blame the ABC and the producers for such a blatan­t and egregious mistake but the women reached out to ­Tracey,” Ms Batty told The Australian. “The people they reached out to were not the ABC, they reached out to Tracey.”

    “I am sure she’s horrified by what has happened but, when you are the custodian of stories from vulnerable people who have ­experienced significant trauma and violence and abuse, the buck stops with you.”

    “Not only has she breached their trust, the reality is, for those who are still impacted by domestic ­violence, she’s put them in a very dangerous position and at significant risk,” Ms Batty said.

  130. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘I couldn’t care less about what happens in the land of the shooting spree.’

    And yet here we are. Yet again……..

  131. stackja

    Liberty Quote
    THE mindless and usually vicious stupidity of the left has been on vivid and utterly dependable display …
    — Terry McCrann

    The rest of the story:

    It’s price not packaging affecting cigarette sales
    Terry McCrann, Herald Sun
    June 23, 2014 10:00pm
    THE mindless and usually vicious stupidity of the left has been on vivid and utterly dependable display in what might be termed the cigarette packaging war over the last few weeks.

    It all started with an article by Christian Kerr in our stablemate The Australian, detailing analysis that suggested the Gillard government’s plain packaging legislation had failed in its intended purpose — to reduce smoking.

    Kerr cited analysis which indicated the actual number of cigarettes sold — literally, the “sticks” — had increased in calendar 2013. This was the year after plain packaging — apart that is, from the compulsory horror pics on the packets — was introduced in December 2012.

    Hell hath no fury like another leftist “feel-good-idea-at-the-time” policy exposed as a failure. A torrent of abuse was unleashed from the left, initiated by former, ahem, Gillard adviser and, in his all-too inadvertently accurate words, “one of Australia’s leading economic visionaries”, Stephen Koukoulas.

    “Seeing visions” — and no doubt, hearing voices as well — is certainly the Kouk’s trademark. This was demonstrated most notably to me, in his visions of Whitlam government budget surpluses. That and usually increasingly hysterical assertion.

  132. Mother Lode

    ‘Well, there was a time when these same teenagers were encouraged to join a union.’

    In other union news I have seen a whole lot of stickers near bus stops warning of impending privatisation.

    Usual stuff – fewer services, higher charges and such.

    Same old image of wicked capitalists gouging every penny out of the ordinary people with their tattered clothes and grimy feet, while themselves sailing past in a fleet of Rolls Royces drinking champagne and fondling a bevy of buxom vacuous bimbos, looking through their monocle out the window only long enough to laugh cruelly at the broken defeated souls in a one kilometre line at the bus stop.

  133. feelthebern

    Rosie Batty says Tracey Spicer needs to take ownership for her ‘egregious mistake’

    Oh the irony.

  134. cohenite

    Ho hum another set of lies from the troll:

    The US does not have “strict gun controls”.
    Some jurisdictions have a modicum of restrictions, but the last time I was in the US I didn’t notice border gates between states. You can drive from one end of the country with an arsenal in your vehicle with impunity.
    If you want to avoid the risk of some lunatic shooting up your kids’ school, move to Oz.

    The highest rates of gun crime and death are in the strictest gun control areas all run by demorats; gun crime is committed predominantly by black and Hispanics; gun export doesn’t exist; the criminals use illegal weapons; if you remove black and Hispanic shooters the rate of gun death in the US is comparable to Australia’s; since Howard’s gun grab gun ownership has doubled in Australia while gun crime and deaths has decreased except for the Western parts of Sydney and NW parts of Melbournistan both areas dominated by RoP gangs.

    The 2nd amendment is the greatest human right in existence.

  135. pete m

    From the learn something new every day department:

    From instapundit a story on Japanese balloon bombs landing on mainland usa.

    One landed on wired cutting power to Manhattan project reactor – amazing coincidence.

    Link here

    Sadly some kids were only victims.

  136. Leigh Lowe

    Thanks Tom.
    Rowe was quite good today.

  137. Perfidious Albino

    Presumably Tracey and the ABC also breached the ladies privacy – are there not penalties for that sort of thing these days?

  138. 1735099

    The 2nd amendment is the greatest human right in existence.

    And continues to kill Americans at the rate of 30000+ annually.
    Their human rights obviously don’t count.
    If you’re OK with that, fine – but don’t try to sell it here.

  139. Mother Lode

    “Tracey can blame the ABC and the producers for such a blatan­t and egregious mistake but the women reached out to ­Tracey,” Ms Batty told The Australian.

    A pair of charlatans fighting over the best place for their soapbox.

  140. John Constantine

    https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/326820.php?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_country=AU&utm_hcp=yes&utm_campaign=MNT%20Daily%20News%202019-10-28&utm_term=MNT%20Daily%20News#2

    52–74% higher chance of dementia

    The new study used data on 1,628 people who were at least 60 years of age and without dementia when they gave blood samples during a screening exam in 2002–2003. The researchers followed them for another 10 years and noted any incidences of dementia that occurred.

    During the follow-up, 377 of the participants received a diagnosis of dementia, including 247 for Alzheimer’s disease.

    For the analysis, the team ranged the participants in four equal groups according to their blood levels of trans fats.

    In the group with the highest blood level of trans fats, the incidence rate of dementia was 29.8 per 1,000 person-years.

    In the next highest trans fats group, the dementia incidence rate was 27.6 per 1,000 person-years. In the lowest trans fat group, the incidence rate of dementia was 21.3 per 1,000 person-

  141. Top Ender

    Only in the Territory Department:

    Patient hits out at nurse
    A NURSE has been assaulted on Groote Eylandt while performing a medical assessment.

    NT Police confirmed the 51-year-old nurse was assaulted by a patient and was assisted by members of the patient’s family and staff members.

    “Shortly before 1am, a 36-year-old unconscious male was conveyed to the Alyangula Clinic by family members and Remote Area Nurse’s attended the clinic in response,” an NT Police spokesman said.

    “A medical assessment of the male was conducted by clinic staff, during which one of the nurses … was allegedly assaulted by the patient.”

    The nurse didn’t sustain injuries and police were notified and immediately responded to the assault at the clinic.

    Investigations into this incident are continuing and charges are expected to be laid. NT News print edition

  142. John Constantine

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4808795/

    Alcoholic liver disease (ALD) spans a spectrum of liver pathology, including fatty liver, alcoholic steatohepatitis, and cirrhosis. Accumulating evidence suggests that dietary factors, including dietary fat, as well as alcohol, play critical roles in the pathogenesis of ALD. The protective effects of dietary saturated fat (SF) and deleterious effects of dietary unsaturated fat (USF) on alcohol-induced liver pathology are well recognized and documented in experimental animal models of ALD. Moreover, it has been demonstrated in an epidemiological study of alcoholic cirrhosis that dietary intake of SF was associated with a lower mortality rates, whereas dietary intake of USF was associated with a higher mortality. In addition, oxidized lipids (dietary and in vivo generated) may play a role in liver pathology. The understanding of how dietary fat contributes to the ALD pathogenesis will enhance our knowledge regarding the molecular mechanisms of ALD development and progression, and may result in the development of novel diet-based therapeutic strategies for ALD management

    The booze isn’t doing your liver in on its own, it is the industrial waste posing as food that is being snacked on that is the killer.

  143. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Obviously switzerland with its mandatory gun ownership must be hell on earth…. oh wait.

    numbers you are a gullible bleeding heart idiot.

  144. Bruce of Newcastle

    It isn’t easy being green…

    It was just over a month ago that we reported on a Tesla accident in Austria that resulted in firefighters needing to use a special container to transport the remains of the vehicle and the battery at the scene of the accident.

    Now, the owner of the vehicle is having trouble finding someone who will properly recycle his wrecked car and its battery. It’s been sitting in one place since the accident and Tyrol reports that “nobody wants to burn their fingers to dispose of the car with its unpredictable 600kg lithium ion battery”.

    Maybe he should’ve instead bought a Panzer oops Pinzgauer like Arnie, then fly to Germany to have it made eco-friendly.

    The “Green” Illusion Continues: Tesla Crash Victim Can’t Find Anyone To Recycle His Wrecked Car

  145. Arky

    The 2nd amendment is the greatest human right in existence.

    ..
    As a feminist I feel a woman’s right to own a man- killing device is unimpeachable.
    Obviously it is arguable whether men need or should be allowed to own firearms, however, women have a sacred duty to own and know how to use one.

  146. lotocoti

    Tracey can blame the ABC and the producers …

    In this instance, Spicey Fruit Roll would be correct.

  147. JC

    Real question. How many gun deaths a year is absorbable in order to keep amendment 2 rights? Zero is a stupid number because that’s not credible.

    There are 40,000 annually.

    If the number was halved would that have cred?

    Real question because that is the only rational way it should be thought of.

    In order to halve it, what should be done?

  148. Farmer Gez

    Tesla has 500-600kg batteries in these cars, that’s massive for a medium car.
    There would be no chance that firefighters could isolate the battery from the body of a car and that makes the vehicle an immediate and ongoing fire hazard in case of an accident.
    Has anyone seriously studied the consequences for emergency services of these mobile batteries.

  149. cohenite

    If you’re OK with that, fine – but don’t try to sell it here.

    It sells itself shithead; it’s a human right – being able to self-defend. The troll obviously supports the demorat districts in the US where demorat prosecutors no longer prosecute serious crimes up to and including homicide. Can you imagine going about your business in these districts subject to all sorts of non-prosecutable crimes committed by the left’s natural constituency – the criminal and insane – without being able to self-defend; that’s the left for you: empowering criminals, disarming citizens.

    You really are a vile piece of shit.

  150. Bruce of Newcastle

    In the group with the highest blood level of trans fats, the incidence rate of dementia was 29.8 per 1,000 person-years.

    John – Maybe there’s another cause, that the transfats are only a symptom of.

    Reading may reduce dementia risk (Oz today, paywalled)

    People who are literate have a third the risk of getting dementia compared with those who had never learnt to read and write.

    Literacy -> better diet control -> less transfats
    Literacy -> brain training -> less brain degradation

    So which is the cause and which is the effect?

  151. Arky

    For 2016 specifically, National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) data shows 37,461 people were killed in 34,436 motor vehicle crashes, an average of 102 per day. In 2010, there were an estimated 5,419,000 crashes, 30,296 deadly, killing 32,999, and injuring 2,239,000.

  152. Arky

    injuries annually. In 2013, there were 73,505 nonfatal firearm injuries (23.2 injuries per 100,000 persons), and 33,636 deaths due to “injury by firearms” …

  153. Tel

    Has anyone seriously studied the consequences for emergency services of these mobile batteries.

    The consequences are simple: when you get a LiPo fire … everyone takes several steps back and waits for it to finish. If it’s in an underground garage then open up all the doors to help vent the smoke.

    There’s not a lot else you can do.

  154. stackja

    After Another Mass Shooting, California Must Recognize Its Gun Control Laws May Actually Be Part of the Problem

  155. Percy Popinjay

    Australia’s selectors settled on an ingenious solution to the problem of what to do with Joe Burns, Richard Head and Cameron Wancroft.

    Dump them?

  156. Arky

    There are more guns than cars in the US.
    Cars are therefore more lethal than firearms on a death per gun/ car basis.

  157. stackja

    What Happened to California Republicans?
    Victor Davis Hanson|Posted: Nov 14, 2019 12:01 AM

    As taxes climbed, schools eroded and funds for infrastructure were diverted elsewhere, millions of middle-class Californians fled. The total numbers of this continuing exodus are still in dispute. Many left in despair over climbing gas, sales and income taxes that seemed to worsen rather improve state infrastructure and services.

    This tripartite demographic revolution proved disastrous for the Republican Party. The GOP lost much of its base to other states. Many conservative voters left for small-government, low-tax alternatives. Republican efforts to reduce taxes, limit some abortions and fund additional roads and dams had little appeal to the new gentry classes on the coast.

    Will there ever again be a viable California Republican Party?

    After three decades of radical progressivism, California residents are tiring of one-party straitjacket rule. The hard-liberal order normalized massive power blackouts, the nation’s highest array of taxes, the forest mismanagement that fuels deadly fires, an epidemic of homelessness in major cities, eroding schools, ossified infrastructure and soaring energy costs.

    The final irony?

    Those most hurt — and growing the most angry — are the immigrants who once fled to a different California that now no longer exists.

  158. Arky

    As the number of total deaths by car is almost the same as the total deaths by firearm.

  159. cohenite

    In order to halve it, what should be done?

    Gun crime in the US is an ethnicity issue with blacks and Hispanics doing the bulk of the crimes. To deal with that you would have to overcome the left’s cries of wacism. Which is ironic since the left’s policies have destroyed black families and male role models.

    Back-ground checks do need to be done. The process of getting a gun licence in Australia is so involved most crims can’t be bothered although this guy got through due to bureaucratic ineptness which still has not been explained.

  160. Tel

    Which is odd since I thought they were supposed to be miners.
    Maybe he intends to mine Bitcoin.

    You never heard of data mining?

    There’s data in everything Bruce.

  161. 1735099

    Obviously switzerland with its mandatory gun ownership must be hell on earth…. oh wait.

    The Swiss don’t have the 2nd Amendment.
    And they actually control their gun owners.
    That’s the difference.
    Oh – and gun ownership is not “mandatory”.
    That’s a piece of NRA disinformation.
    Also gun sellers follow strict licensing procedures.

    Swiss authorities decide on a local level whether to give people gun permits. They also keep a log of everyone who owns a gun in their region, known as a canton, though hunting rifles and some semiautomatic long arms are exempt from the permit requirement.

    But cantonal police don’t take their duty dolling out gun licenses lightly. They might consult a psychiatrist or talk with authorities in other cantons where a prospective gun buyer has lived before to vet the person.

    None of these controls apply in most parts of the US.
    The gun ownership rates in Switzerland have been steadily dropping to the point where it now it has been overtaken by the US which has 89 guns our 100 people, as against 46 per 100 in Switzerland.

    Swiss culture also has a lot to do with their low firearm fatality rate. They are secure and respect firearms – Americans are paranoid and see them as protection.
    The USA is a very sick society, and the symptom is 30000+ gun deaths annually.

  162. Arky

    In order to halve it, what should be done?

    ..
    So exactly the same question could be asked for cars.
    As the magnitude is the same.
    And for Americans, gun ownership is a right even more important than car ownership.
    After all, they did not put an amendment in gauranteeing the right to drive.

  163. custard

    I have been following Mike Smith and his AWU investigation for many years and have found the whole thing fascinating and frustrating that seemingly nothing ever seems to happen.
    It may well be about to change if you can believe his post from last Thursday week where he claims that his private prosecution of Julia Gillard will be going very public this coming Monday. Apparently the lying slapper is fully appraised of what has been going on….

    Goes for 1.36mins

    https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2019/11/thursday-arvo-editorial-7-november-2019.html

  164. JC

    Arky

    We well understand accidental vehicle deaths and the reasons. However murder isn’t the same nor remotely similar other than there’s a stiff on a marble slab.

    Also, tech has managed to reduce deaths on the road through better technology.

    I’m not suggesting any changes to amendment 2. I also think there are ways of halving the death rate though.

  165. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘I couldn’t care less what happens in the land of the shooting spree.’

    Oh wait.

  166. Arky

    The question you have to ask yourself is: Why does a leftwing boob in Australia who hates Americans care what gun laws they have?
    The answer is obvious and consistent with everything else numbersfonda says.

  167. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘numbersfonda’

    Baaahahahahaa.

  168. JC

    Gun crime in the US is an ethnicity issue with blacks and Hispanics doing the bulk of the crimes. To deal with that you would have to overcome the left’s cries of wacism. Which is ironic since the left’s policies have destroyed black families and male role models.

    Back-ground checks do need to be done. The process of getting a gun licence in Australia is so involved most crims can’t be bothered although this guy got through due to bureaucratic ineptness which still has not been explained.

    Yes, it is an ethnicity issue. Would it be possible to limit gun owner ship on ethic grounds? Legally?

  169. I also think there are ways of halving the death rate

    Open carry and free handgun holsters.
    This would reduce the number of DSO (dick shot off) injuries (and deaths).

  170. Leigh Lowe

    Custard, the number of false dawns in the Michael Smith AWU saga is yuuuuge.

  171. JC

    The higher courts have supported quotas for colleges etc, so ethnic issues/ racial differentiation is recognised.

  172. Knuckle Dragger

    Surely that incitement to kill blokes isn’t still up on our national broadcaster.

  173. Snoopy

    The Swiss don’t have the 2nd Amendment.

    There’s a few other things the Swiss don’t have.

  174. Boambee John

    JC at 0838

    In order to halve it, what should be done?

    Others here are more familiar with the statistics than I am, however, my memory is that more than half of tge deaths are gang related, involve illegally obtained weapons, and are highly concentrated among black and Hispanic “yoofs” living in Demorat controlled regions.

    Perhaps actual enforcement of the law against criminal groups might assist?

  175. stackja

    We found 306 cases of gunshots on school property, 48 of which were suicides. Not counting suicides, 193 people died and 267 were injured in these incidents. Four cases were simply instances of accidental gunshots by police officers.

    The rate of shootings and people killed by them has increased significantly since 2000. The yearly average number of people who died between 2001 and 2008 versus 2009 and 2018 has doubled (regardless of whether one excludes gang fights and suicides).

    This increase has occurred entirely among schools that don’t let teachers carry guns. Outside of suicides or gang violence in the wee hours of the morning, there has yet to be a single case of someone being wounded or killed from a shooting at a school that allows teachers and staff to carry guns during school hours. Indeed, the one shooting occurred at 2:20 AM in a parking lot when no armed teachers would have been around.

    There haven’t been any serious accidents. No student has ever got a hold of their teacher’s gun, and the one accidental discharge by a teacher occurred outside of school hours. The teacher had only very minor injuries.

  176. stackja

    Police are important, but they can’t be everywhere at once. Even if an officer is stationed at the school, mass public shooters are most likely to target the officer first. We’ve seen this time and again at malls, nightclubs, and schools. This also makes the job of the police much safer. Concealed carry means that killers won’t know who is armed. Even if they take an officer by surprise, they must worry that they are revealing their position to someone else who can stop them.

    Not a single person has been injured or killed by a teacher’s gun. But even more amazing, not a single person has been shot during school hours. Gun control groups may paint fearful pictures of what might go wrong with teachers carrying, but that fear gets harder to push given these programs’ successes. This research provides evidence that armed teachers deter attacks.

    It is past time for us to do something that really works. With another mass public shooting in California, it is time for California to recognize that its gun control laws might actually be part of the problem. Let’s stop leaving our schoolchildren as sitting ducks.

    * Lott is the president of the Crime Prevention Research Center and the author most recent of “The War of Guns.”

  177. Old School Conservative

    Thanks Tom, from a late riser.

  178. cohenite

    Would it be possible to limit gun owner ship on ethic grounds? Legally?

    Not necessary; it just has to be acknowledged that there is an ethnic issue. As I said most black crime is with illegal guns in demorat areas where gun regulations are as strict as in Australia (within the 2nd amendment context which Australia doesn’t have). You can’t regulate illegal activity but you should be able to prosecute it; it isn’t in these demorat areas.

    The wider issue as Candace has noted is the left’s destruction of the family which has impacted greatly on black families with welfare replacing male role models. No easy fix.

  179. Arky

    We found 306 cases of gunshots on school property, 48 of which were suicides

    ..
    Ban schools.

  180. Arky

    With all these school shootings it is obvious we need effective school control.

  181. Dr Faustus

    Democrat Presidential hopeful, right on top of Second Amendment issues:

    Bernie Sanders@BernieSanders
    This must end. Children in America should not live in fear for their lives at school or anywhere else. We have a moral obligation to say: children’s lives are more important than gun manufacturers’ profits. We must pass common sense gun safety legislation.

    By your prism shall ye be known…

    [Fair comment in response: You’ve had 50 years to do this and instead you just have 3 houses.]

  182. Boambee John

    The seagull at 0847

    But cantonal police don’t take their duty dolling out gun licenses lightly.

    Oh noes, Barbie is in charge of firearm licencing in Switzerland! Or is that just the local ergot?

  183. Mother Lode

    The usual thinking for politicians is to add laws because:

    It looks decisive
    It is what legislators are paid for
    Doesn’t cost them more money – the army of public servants, legal advisers etc are already in place and funded
    The new regulations can be used to raise revenue
    Expands the size of the public service – “Jobs! Jobs! Jobs!”

    As has been noted the disproportionate occurrence of gun crime is in certain communities in certain areas. By directing efforts at circumstances that exist both within and without these troubled areas is near bound to failure because it does not address what makes troubled areas troubled.

    And no politician wants to be accused of pointing fingers at the black and Hispanic ghettos because they are afraid they will be called racist.

    It needs a longer process that does not offer much chance for catchy slogans and photo ops. The fight should be directed against glorification of criminals, reasserting a society based on protection such as the family and community, and instilling a sense of responsibility for actions.

    Well, that is how it looks to me.

  184. Mitch M.

    Lithium can reverse radiation damage after brain tumor treatment

    Lithium orotate is available as a supplement. People report remarkable benefits from it. Lithium has remarkable neuroprotective properties.

    The GAD 65 linkage is fascinating. It converts the excitatory amino acid glutamate to the inhibitory GABA. Again this powerful linkage with excitation-inhibition balance being so central not just to cerebral health but psychological health. 

    Word of caution: older individuals should consider a kidney function test prior to using the supplement. We can lose up 90% of kidney function because symptoms emerge and lithium at high enough concentrations is very toxic for the kidneys.

  185. Tel

    Ban schools.

    How about this idea? Find the guy who is really uncomfortable going to school, you know the malcontent, the one who never listens, always brooding, grumbling, looking for trouble.

    So you get that guy … and you tell him, “You are free to go, you don’t have to be here if you don’t want to.” And then you let him go home … or let him go to the skate park … or learn to lay some bricks or drive a truck.

    So easy, so simple … it’s like genius, isn’t it?

  186. John Constantine

    Gday Bruce, assuming the Japanese study cohort would have traditional Japanese literacy rates.

    Agree that in Australia, technically literate but non analytical proles fall for the vegynsys sugary oily carbon loaded sludge scam at devastating rates.

    More crap eaten, more brain fogs, more exhausted, more anxious, more comfort food and medications.

    Literacy plus ability to process data plus discipline. Does this skill set lessen the dementia risk by modifying behaviour, or is it an indicator of a genetic jackpot that is just luck?.

    Historically, the sludge epidemic overtaking the West since 1990 indicates a combination of environment, behaviour and genetic vulnerability.

    Diabetes kills more kids than guns.

  187. 8th Dan

    Hazmatic … Johno … same, same.

  188. Des Deskperson

    In this morning’s Oz – paywall protected – SJW Rosie Batty has called for fellow SJW Tracey Spicer to step up and stop blaming others for the ‘blatant and egregious mistake’ that realised details of domestic violence victims via the ABC.

    F**k knows who is right or wrong here, but ‘egregious’

    Pretty erudite for a former nanny!

  189. Bruce of Newcastle

    Pigs might fly too if they weren’t all dying like flies.

    US chickens headed to China after Beijing lifts 5-year ban

    Washington – China is lifting a five-year ban on U.S. poultry, a goodwill gesture at a time when the world’s two biggest economies are trying to finalize a tentative trade deal. China had blocked U.S. poultry imports a month after an outbreak of avian influenza in December 2014

    Finger lickin’ good!

  190. Boambee John

    JC at 0854

    Yes, it is an ethnicity issue. Would it be possible to limit gun owner ship on ethic grounds? Legally?

    Probably not, given the 14th Amendment.

    But since the average gangbanger and local criminal probably doesn’t bother getting a firearms licence anyway, the point is moot.

  191. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    It is one of the great shames of our time that people who have earned actual and real Masters, including a not insignificant number here, have had this formerly prestigious award dumbed down to several essays and a creative writing class or two.

    Agree. My Masters Degree from the Faculty of Medicine at the University of Sydney was hard-earned. I’ve seen since PhD’s that were far less onerous. Today I could probably rake up a token PhD from ‘publications’, if I slung it all together with some burble about postmodernity and a writer’s trials; in fact before I left academia I was being seriously encouraged to do just that with material I’d published on cinema verite. I wouldn’t play that game though.

    I think my only significant and lasting contribution to anything is my work on the historiography of ‘King Arthur’, an outline of which was published last year in Quadrant.

    Re my bedtime novel, ‘The Tatooist of Auschwitz’, a friend pressed it on me recently at a ‘book swap’ she had organized to go with an afternoon tea. When I saw it there I said to her that it had been the subject of some recent reviews in The Australian which found it highly controversial. You must read it, she said. As I said yesterday concerning this book, it is full of scenes that require reading between the lines. Clearly, it is a tale made of an old man’s memories, themselves reworked, and then reworked again by a novelist with a light touch; the reality of the tale is there in the absenses, the spaces between the words, the reader’s sadness and horror at the historical enormity of the Shoah, not in the way memories and imaginations have worked one man’s living of it. It is not history as such nor intended to be so. It is oral history, highly mediated when textualised, as oral history often is. Over time it achieves a folkloric aspect.

    You only have to research King Arthur to know that.

  192. Dr Faustus

    Weis Bars to be made in NSW as Unilever announces closure of Toowoomba factory

    Founder Les Weis told the ABC in 2017 the sale to the multinational company was only agreed to if the ice creams would continue to be made locally.

    A Unilever Spokesthing explains:

    Unilever cited costs, competition, and distribution channels in its decision to manufacture the ice cream interstate.

    “We have spoken to the Weis family and we appreciate their deep disappointment, and we understand this is not something they would have foreseen when they sold the business to Unilever.”

    Bit dim not to have foreseen that particular outcome.
    But then, it’s Toowoomba.

  193. Old School Conservative

    Hazmatic … Johno … same, same.

    Agreed.
    Same brilliant evisceration of numbers’ history, opinions, and his poor research.
    PS has numbers dumbed down from a PhD to a “research masters” or is that the normal pathway these days?

  194. John Constantine

    How many kids die from diabetes in America compared to how many kids shot?.

    Almost as if profitable deaths that are part of progressing a revolutionary commo welfare herd don’t count.

  195. Mater

    We well understand accidental vehicle deaths and the reasons. However murder isn’t the same nor remotely similar other than there’s a stiff on a marble slab.

    I’m not suggesting any changes to amendment 2. I also think there are ways of halving the death rate though.

    JC,
    If we are concerned about “murder”, it is important to recognise that of the roughly 40,000 Gun Deaths in the US, about 60% are suicides and about 37% are homicide (which includes both assault and legal intervention – including police shootings).

    That makes it about 14,800 violent gun deaths for a population of 327.2 million people (0.00004523%).
    Medical error deaths in the US are estimated to be between 250,000 and 440,000 people per year.

    It seems suicide prevention would have the desired effect, not gun control.

  196. Old School Conservative

    Janet Albrechtsen writes in today’s Australian Who’d want this activist clown? it’s a woke joke

    The summary:
    Mark this down as the moment wokeness lost its way. On Monday prominent advisory firm Ownership Matters advised its clients to kick Katie Page, the highly regarded chief executive, off the board of Harvey Norman at its annual general meeting later this month. Page helped build the company.

    The same firm has advised investor clients to elect Stephen Mayne, a man with no retail knowledge, no serious board experience, no known management skills. He’s running on an agenda that includes greater gender diversity for boards. Boom, boom.

    I don’t know the background but following the money to Ownership Matters appears to uncover a bunch of people who are experienced in corporate governance issues and nothing else.

  197. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    The Swiss don’t have the 2nd Amendment.
    There’s a few other things the Swiss don’t have.

    Yep, the Swiss are like that, they are an odd nation. Speaking of lacunae as I was above, great gaping gaps in things where there may have been an expectation of solidity, of reality: the Swiss have lost large bits of their cheese.

    It’s full of holes. 😀

  198. Arky

    Having established that on a per unit basis cars are more lethal than guns, I expect every person on here in favour of gun control to hand their MX5 in to local authorities immediately.
    “But Arky”, I hear you blubber: “Cars are required for transportation, guns are not a requirement for getting to work etc”.
    Now listen Barbarella, according to Maslow’s higher arky of needs, not getting murdered in your own home by scum sucking criminals is a more basic need than driving down to the local shopping centre to buy Crotchety Old Geezer Weekly.

  199. feelthebern
    #3212203, posted on November 15, 2019 at 7:38 am

    How about a program to get moron virgin incels laid on a regular basis? Could it be that simple?

    The data regarding binge gamers & violence is getting to be a little concerning.
    Giving them rooting vouchers would be a step in the right direction.

    Yeah I dunno. Elliot Rodger wasn’t bad looking and he was from a wealthy family.

    He was Chad Chadley Chadmore.

    If he wanted to get laid, he could have. Hell, he could have gotten a traditional, feminine church gal to marry him.

    He at least could have paid lingerie models/Instagram “models” to sleep with him every so often.

    He was just a xunt.

    Most people just get depressed when they feel like they fail, they don’t kill people.

    Who hasn’t been disappointed once? Did you kill anyone?

    Being less judgmental:

    Maybe he had a serious undiagnosed mental illness.

    The idea that “gaming” makes people kill is seriously fucking nuts. I mean, we’ve all seen the evidence from the Nuremberg trials about Hitler’s trash fire livestreams of Castlevania and Fallout 76, right?

    Turns out he was just enraged about some Austrian thot livestreaming her bewbs with a projector at the Vienna Cinema in 1912.

    Anyone else not felt the desire to murder people when they played Civ III, Angry Birds or World of Warcrack?

    Anyway, games are too damn easy these days to make anyone seriously angry. (Besides something loike Cuphead). Go and play some shit like Zelda II or the original Prince of Persia. Let alone the old cheating CPU in the original Mario Kart game. Then talk to me about smashing controllers.

  200. Tom

    With all these school shootings it is obvious we need effective school control.

    I think you’ll find that 90% of US school shootings are at schools that have banned guns on campus, because feelz, making them free-fire zones for school shooters, who know they will not face lethal opposition.

    Schools that advertise that they employ armed guards will suddenly be free of gun violence.

    Magic, isn’t it, leftards?

  201. Mitch M.

    Could cytotoxic T-cells be a key to longevity?

    Counter intuitive result because CD 4 cells are typically not cytotoxic but are in the centenarians. This is not a youthful state of the immune system because CD 4 cells are typically “helper” cells for the immune system and not directly engaged in pathogen and cancer defense.

  202. Arky

    Also, tech has managed to reduce deaths on the road through better technology.

    ..
    Probably a 40/ 60 split between improved survivability in crashes due to crumple zones and the complete destruction of our social lives through the civil liberties violation that is random breath testing.
    Would have to do some detailed comparisons between differing jurisdictions to see which has the greater effect.
    Not sure it is technology as such. ABS etc probably have a much lesser role than crumple zones and the death of drink driving.

  203. John Constantine

    Cake forks and dessert spoons kill more kids than guns.

  204. struth

    Good Moaning.
    A truly evil person with low intellect and an immature , insulated view of humanity, will quote inane statistics and dribble shit , exposing his underlying hatreds and goals.
    Yet he will ignore the mature obvious questions and what are glaring and stark facts to do so.

    Like the fact that America has always been heavily armed throughout it’s history but these mass shootings are a recent phenomenon ………………………….why?

    Nope, he won’t go there.

    The goal is to disarm the decent upstanding citizens that will not accept the totalitarian control of the Church of the Holy Communist Bureaucrat.
    That’s why Venezuelan violence, Left wing violence wold wide is ignoed by evil filth like Numbers and why he’s utterly obsessed by the United States.
    Whether it’s President Trump, or the righteous demanding the right to defend themselves and defend against government domination, the unhealthy obsession with the United States shows as Demons Hissing at the light.
    And they need that light extinguished.
    No other violence, and no other deaths, be the at sea on boats, or being run ove by Islaaaaaaaamic extremists in Tucks and cars.
    Hell, the even apologise to Muuuuussies because the west made them fly airliners full of people into buildings with the same.
    The word Disingenuous is about the nicest yyou could come up with.
    But the truth is, the are at war with the west and nothing sets them off more than Western citizens with guns, or Western Presidents not bowing to the UN global socialist agenda.
    They go bat shit crazy.
    They’ve been at war for years and they have been winning, because the dumb right didn’t think the were being attacked.
    Now, ever so slowly , the right are waking up…….and they don’t like it one bit.

  205. Zatara

    72,287 Americans died of opioid abuse in 2018.

    I have never heard a left-wing politician campaign against them in the US. On the contrary, I’ve heard the left establishing taxpayer funded “clean needle exchanges” and “safe shoot-up facilities”.

    But then a tyrannical govt doesn’t need to remove opioids from society to take over. In fact they would encourage it. Unlike guns, which can bring their tyranny to a screeching halt.

    So it isn’t a surprise which end of the political spectrum wants guns confiscated.

  206. struth

    Add some Y’s and R’s were necessary.

  207. 8th Dan

    I was slated to be part of the 50-odd to go to Somalia in 93 on Op SOLACE but managed along with half a dozen other blokes to get enough frostbite in New Zealand to end my infantry career.

    So … a dishonorable discharge. And the same for your co-conspirators?

    Tantamount to desertion. Coward.

  208. struth

    And a bloody H.
    New Keyboard required.

  209. Mitch M.

    How about a program to get moron virgin incels laid on a regular basis? Could it be that simple?

    The data regarding binge gamers & violence is getting to be a little concerning.
    Giving them rooting vouchers would be a step in the right direction.

    It is not just about getting laid, it is about status and acceptance by peers, to be lovable rather than just getting laid. Even in rape one test of the complainant’s account is if there is mention of “pseudo-intimacy”, the rapist is trying to emulate a romantic encounter.

    Pseudo-intimacy was not reported by false complainants while true victims often reported being kissed, cuddled, fondled, reassured or complemented by the rapist (Canter et al. 2003; Kocsis et al. 2002). That rapists often try to mimic a loving, caring, consensual relationship is counterintuitive and not commonly associated with a violent offence such as rape.

    This points out the stupidity of the typical feminist line that rape is about power. But what’s the point, so often in public debate these days it is as if journalists and so called experts don’t bother to read the relevant literature, bring a host of untested ideas to the discussion, and off it all goes while fools like myself who like to challenge assumptions are ignored in the mad scramble of the mob to declare solutions to the problems of the world.

    Forget about the gamer-violence linkage. Look for shame, a sudden interest in guns and the like, and alienation from peers.

  210. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    So … a dishonorable discharge. And the same for your co-conspirators?

    Matters military aren’t really your strong point, are they Grogarly?

  211. Arky

    The other big driver of reduced road tolls might be age demographics.
    The road toll peaked in the early seventies when the post war demographic bulge was in late teens early twenties.

  212. Maslow’s higher arky of needs, …

    I thought that was Maslow’s hire arky for needs,

  213. Arky

    Reducing lifespans in the USA indicate that the overall rates of death from misadventure are on the rise again.
    Probably due again mainly to demographics as the gen Y population bulge enters their late teens, early twenties.

  214. feelthebern

    The CA shooter was a 16 year old American of Asian heritage who was a chronic gamer.
    According to twitter.

  215. struth

    So … a dishonorable discharge. And the same for your co-conspirators?

    Tantamount to desertion. Coward.

    Who’s this goose?

    Ya reckon he’s Groggles sniping from the side lines?

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