The Andrew Situation

The Royal Family badly needs Winston. Winston Wolfe, that is. He solves problems. Unfortunately, the scandal engulfing the Duke of York will require more than splatter-covering blankets, a hose-down and the stellar disappearance services of Monster Joe’s Truck and Tow. First, a partial defence of Prince Andrew: I don’t believe for a minute he is or was a “pedophile.” This is a word with a very specific clinical meaning which the media, for their own malicious purposes, has successfully mainstreamed as a synonym for perpetrators of any alleged sexual crime or misdemeanor involving the under-aged. Andrew is a narcissistic, pompous, super-entitled knucklehead and buffoon but he is no child-molester.

The girl in the notorious photograph – an alleged “sex-slave” of kingpin pervert Jeffrey Epstein – was 17 at the time. That doesn’t mean she was fair game by any means but she was not a small child. Words – especially for prosecutable enormities of the criminal law – matter. As for the picture, it proves nothing and its provenance and authenticity are questionable.

Now for the prosecution. If Andrew was set up he only has himself to blame for fraternising with a man of such malodorous character. Like his ex-wife, the Duchess, Andrew is a known fruit fly (old slang for somebody who habitually buzzes around the wealthy). That’s unremarkable for minor British aristocrats – or minor Australian princesses from the House of Keating for that matter. We know most of the former are all coronet and no cattle. But it is remarkable, grubby conduct in the second son of the Queen.

Surely Andrew was counseled by the intelligence officials who protect the Crown’s reputation to stay away from Epstein. If not, why not? Agreeing to a clear-the-air interview was also foolish. He was always going to be himself, alas. His PR handlers banked on it. After all, only an innocent man would be so nonplussed about somebody else’s crimes, right? That seems to have been the thinking. In a more rational age, maybe. In the age of feelings and phony vicarious culpability, however, the response of commentators was entirely predictable. This time – loathsome hypocrites many of them may be – they’re right. He associated with one of the worst sex molesters of our time. “I let the side down,” is a long way from good enough.

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52 Responses to The Andrew Situation

  1. stackja

    Not ‘a hanging offence’.
    MSM aren’t ones to judge.
    Bill not being asked questions?

  2. jupes

    Like his ex-wife, the Duchess, Andrew is a known fruit fly (old slang for somebody who habitually buzzes around the wealthy).

    Yep. And it suited Epstein’s business model to a tee. Invite the prince, invite the copious rich Seppos who like to hang around royalty … and Bob’s your uncle. Set them up with a young girlie then blackmail their arse off.

  3. Leigh Lowe

    Surely Andrew was counseled by the intelligence officials who protect the Crown’s reputation to stay away from Epstein. 

    I made exactly that point to Mrs L this morning.
    MI-5, MI-6, RP-7 and WD-40 would have warned him about Epstein, certainly in 2008 when he did the plea deal in Florida, but probably well before that.
    I am also guessing the warning was couched not only in terms of reputational risk, but also in terms of a potential blackmail honey-trap.
    But No-Sweat Andy knew better.
    Or, more likely, maybe his dick did.

  4. W Hogg

    His PR people didn’t bank on this. They screamed “don’t do it!!” Then when he stupidly insisted, they resigned in protest knowing he would make an arse of himself.

    What crimes, in which jurisdiction, would someone hypothetically commit if they did what Virginia accuses him of?

  5. Scott Osmond

    Okay, 17 is over the age of consent in Britain and Australia. Not sure about the US as they range from 16 to 18. You could make a case on morality but that bus left the station decades ago. Now what makes me smell heresy is that Andrew still had contact with him after his conviction. Before someone is charged and sentenced you can use the I had no idea defence. But after all the coverage and conviction continuing contact smacks of cluelessness or perhaps a fellow traveller. The interview was a trainwreck. The reference to a kid’s pizza party was also interesting considering the pizzagate conspiracy claims. Funny how that one keeps coming up with these people even though the media assures us it’s a wackjob conspiracy that has been investigated and disproven.

  6. Shy Ted

    A mere distraction, sacrificial lamb if you like, to distract from well known, wealthy and famous Americans with a lot to hide. Facilitated by their partners in crime, the media.

  7. Bosnich

    There has been talk on the blogs for years that William Clinton was also a regular visitor.

  8. Leigh Lowe

    Set them up with a young girlie then blackmail their arse off.

    It is becoming increasingly obvious that Epstein’s “bwilliant investment acumen” was 3 parts blackmail and 1 part illusion.

  9. candy

    I think he will be sent off somewhere, out of the way and hidden.
    He’s been going with girls same age as his daughters. No-one will want him anywhere at any function.

  10. Leigh Lowe

    He’s been going with girls same age as his daughters. 

    If only they were that old.

  11. He’s been going with girls same age as his daughters.

    Oh no!

    A man having sex with a 30 something year old woman!

    Are you trying to derail every thread now the same way None used to?

    Maybe you also think Natalie Ratakwooigiyv is a prepubescent child.

  12. notafan

    Andrew and Jeffrey isn’t exactly new news

    if he wasn’t being shunned before he won’t be shunned now

  13. notafan

    What does Derryn Hinch have to say?

  14. John Barr

    At the time, to these girls, it was an opportunity to meet, hang around, get together with & possibly make a permanent attachment to the mega rich & famous people. It was all fun & games & they were all for it.

    Now, their names might become embroiled in some controversy of a sexual nature, they all cry innocence’s.

    Of course there could be much money made, Media, for a story. Compensation, from an estate, or just to keep the trap shut.

    There are very High Class Women’s Schools that train these types of women for these types of roles. A very Senior British Army Officer once told me. the Hierarchy the Army has, “Other Ranks should not Marry, Sergeants & Senior Non-Commissioned Officers, Can Marry, but it’s not advisable.

    Subalterns should not marry, Captains should marry, Major’s & above must Marry.

    You local Hometown girl is suffice for Other Ranks, Sergeant, Non-Commissioned Offers & Subaltern.

    Captains, Major’s & higher Ranking Officers should consult one of the Organized Agencies which cater for such. These women are such that they can easily fit into an Upper Class Society & perform their Duties in such a Society. They can be useful to gain further promotions by offering special favours to those persons on Promotion Boards, etc. In other words to quote this Officer, “High Class Prostitutes.”

    Apparently this is in the “Little Red Book” given to Officers when the Graduate from Officers School. It the Book for Commissioned Officers on Etiquette in the Armed Forces. It also contains things about, the Use of Personal Cards, visiting friends, behaviour in Restaurants & other useful things. Very interesting.

    That’s what these women were. Very High Class Prostitutes. Now they have been named It’s all, “Poor me I didn’t know. Let’s just say . BS.

  15. candy

    A man having sex with a 30 something year old woman

    I think Prince Andrew could find himself a 30 year old woman anywhere any time for any kind of relationship. Because son of the Queen and he is divorced.

    It if was fresh pretty year 17 olds he wanted, he needed someone to find them discretely.

    Some man go right through their lives lusting after 16 year old girls the same age as their granddaughter.

  16. notafan

    Grig likes trying to derail CL’s threads

    only 11 US states have age of consent at 18, the rest are 16 and 17

    you really have to made sure you know the law in each state

  17. Gavin R Putland

    The girl in the notorious photograph – an alleged “sex-slave” of kingpin pervert Jeffrey Epstein – was 17 at the time.

    And the age of consent in Florida is 18, which, legally, is the only number that counts. And if you were in the business of setting up honeytraps for blackmail, you’d do it in a state with an unexpectedly high age of consent, wouldn’t you?
    (The older I get, the more I learn how to think like a psychopath. It’s a worry.)

  18. JohnJJJ

    Why don’t we just ask Jeffrey Epstein.. oh wait!

  19. Infidel Tiger

    Hard to think of many worse vocations than being a Royal in these modern times.

    Mind numbing.

    Different kettle of fish when you were actually in charge.

  20. JC

    Look, as bad as Andy appears and how awful the interview turned out to be, there’s something I simply don’t trust about that American woman currently living in Queensland who’s making some of the accusations.

    I find her dishonest.

  21. DaveR

    Bill Clinton – 34 trips on Epstein’s private jet (so far)
    Prince Andrew – 14 trips on Epstein’s private jet (so far)

    How can anybody be “set up”?

  22. Dr afred Lenin

    As my late grandfathers old Colonel the Honourable Godfrey used to say “I see that Demmned German is playing up again ,, they arent English Gentlemen you see
    Godfrey family went back to Anglo Saxon days so the royals were newcomers ,migrants I suppose.

  23. Leigh Lowe

    Infidel Tiger

    #3215913, posted on November 19, 2019 at 5:30 pm

    Hard to think of many worse vocations than being a Royal in these modern times.

    Mind numbing.

    High class dole bludging.
    Top schools, which you don’t have bother passing anything.
    Get to play with any Brit military toy you like in your twenties.
    Bang as much beaver as you like, drive fast cars, ride polo ponies and generally party hard until you retire exhausted to some massive country house.
    Pretty much all you need to do is not get caught with a ton of drugs on your actual person and make sure all of the bangee chicks are over 18.

  24. Tel

    Mind numbing.

    Different kettle of fish when you were actually in charge.

    Oh go on … there’s so many good hobbies out there.

    If Prince Charles had stuck to being a goofy organic gardener and not become embittered by his popular but faithless wife … he could have been much loved by his people.

  25. Tel

    And the age of consent in Florida is 18, which, legally, is the only number that counts. And if you were in the business of setting up honeytraps for blackmail, you’d do it in a state with an unexpectedly high age of consent, wouldn’t you?
    (The older I get, the more I learn how to think like a psychopath. It’s a worry.)

    Normally I would disagree with you on principle but in this case everything you said seems perfectly correct. I believe that 16 is the age of consent in the UK (I watch those old Milo videos … hoping to pick up some tips of being suave) so inviting someone to party in an unusually strict jurisdiction does look a lot like a setup. Thing is, if you are a Prince you are supposed to be capable of making decisions … sense of responsibility … that old saw.

    https://tomwoods.com/ep-1531-epstein-didnt-kill-himself/

    This is a great episode exploring the conspiracy (the core of which is certainly no theory, but the details might still be speculative). Remember all those DVD’s they found? Huge safe full of recordings. Every single one of those is a potential conviction of someone or other.

  26. Judge Dredd

    This creature has been fiddling with kids since at least the 80s. It looks like an open secret to me ;
    https://youtu.be/A62Qodmb25Q

    No one with a brain could really think that the one picture (that happened to be leaked) was the only liaison he had.

  27. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    High class dole bludging.
    Top schools, which you don’t have bother passing anything.
    Get to play with any Brit military toy you like in your twenties.
    Bang as much beaver as you like, drive fast cars, ride polo ponies and generally party hard until you retire exhausted to some massive country house.
    Pretty much all you need to do is not get caught with a ton of drugs on your actual person and make sure all of the bangee chicks are over 18.

    There’s a down side to all this?

  28. Squirrel

    If Andrew had a media adviser worth feeding, he would have either shut up completely, or announced that he is contemplating transitioning.

  29. Chris M

    I don’t believe for a minute he is or was a “pedophile.”

    So what are the other options? He’s a connoisseur of tweens? It’s just a sugar dad arrangement gone bad?

  30. candy

    There’s a down side to all this?

    Probably that the Royal Family still ‘exist’ due to the will of the British people and a prince would risk who knows what civil unrest.
    I think William and Kate will be seen about much more now with their wholesome family.

    Andrew’s daughters – how difficult for them now. A father chasing young girls just barely legal.

  31. sfw

    I doubt that he knew or cared about her age, she certainly would have looked around 18 and was more than likely willing. Certainly no child in any respect. Almost every man find women around 19 to be the most attractive, for most women it’s all downhill from there. He was however rather stupid, to be sucked in to a honeytrap.

  32. How the hell is a 17 year old a “tween”?

    We can conscript people at that age into the military in front line combat roles.

  33. candy

    I doubt that he knew or cared about her age, she certainly would have looked around 18 and was more than likely willing.

    I don’t think anyone at 17 or 18 knows what the heck they are doing sometimes. Just try stuff out.
    But for girls there’s a downside. They are more vulnerable due to physiology. There’s no telling what sexual practices these middle aged men and probably older asked them to do. They may see rich, very rich successful men even princes, stars and glamour, but at what debasement to their young selves?

  34. JC

    Candy

    I agree with to some extent and legally these girls were untouchable to these older disgusting men. Having said that, I cannot believe these later teen girls didn’t know what they were doing was wrong.

  35. C.L.

    So what are the other options? He’s a connoisseur of tweens? It’s just a sugar dad arrangement gone bad?

    As I said, the word has a specific clinical/criminal meaning. It doesn’t apply to 17 year-olds.
    If we arrested all the “pe-o-philes” who had sex with 17 year-olds, half the male population of the planet would be incarcerated.

  36. Gavin R Putland

    Tel at #3215942:
    Normally I would disagree with you on principle…
    Well, of course, if a man adheres to certain timeless principles, the age of consent and the risk of a setup won’t enter the picture. But I’m drawing attention to the probabilities.

  37. candy

    That was some weird rant candy.

    I tend to think I am in line with the opinions of normal mothers and fathers who worry about what their daughters and what can happen, and what to see their daughter settled and happy, and parents worried about their sons speeding cars, accidents, etc. and want to see their son settled and happy. the usual parental worries.

  38. sfw

    Candy, are you that naive? Dorothy Parker often wrote about the ‘ingenues’ in Hollywood and High Society in general. Usually the girls mothers encouraged the surrender of their charms.

  39. notafan

    You are correct CL

    And the trolling is just that.

    It might not be moral behaviour but it’s not unusual, and in most jurisdictions it’s legal.

  40. Chris M

    It doesn’t apply to 17 year-olds

    Maybe you are right, that is the case in that US state? I thought there were other young girls involved besides the 17 yr one that talked to the media but haven’t followed the story closely.

  41. candy
    #3216030, posted on November 19, 2019 at 8:18 pm

    That was some weird rant candy.

    I tend to think I am in line with the opinions of normal

    You have several people who hardly ever agree with each other telling you that you are a weirdo troll.

  42. W Hogg

    There has been talk on the blogs for years that William Clinton was also a regular visitor.

    Blogs?? US ABC’s anchor admitted on camera that they had all the dirt on Crimton and Epstein, and buried it.

  43. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘I don’t think anyone at 17 or 18 knows what the heck they are doing sometimes. Just try stuff out.
    But for girls there’s a downside. They are more vulnerable due to physiology. There’s no telling what sexual practices these middle aged men and probably older asked them to do. They may see rich, very rich successful men even princes, stars and glamour, but at what debasement to their young selves?’

    Might want to calm down there, None.

    You’re one ‘sodomy’ away from being sent to the corner again.

    Andrew’s a first-class flog, no doubt. But as others have said, 17-18 year old girls, especially ones being ferried around the planet on private jets and wined, dined etc know exactly what the price of doing business is.

  44. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Candy is not wrong. Parents worry, even bad parents, and attractive young girls on the loose in their later teens can be drawn into older men’s webs, especially if the men are rich. It is certain that some emotionally troubled girls may have been badly affected by the experience, especially if very young, but others would have shrugged it away, or never have become involved once it was apparent that a very sleazy situation was being offered. I’m with CL and JC and Notafan in thinking that Prince Andrew has not committed any great crime, although he has exampled bad male behavior quite well, and Epstein certainly seems to have been a facilitator and a sex pest.

    Plus, what applies to a Prince also applies to a President, only far more so. Where’s the mob going after Bill? The first episode of ‘The Crown’ also makes the point that Andrew’s father, Prince Phillip, was caught in a similar situation with regard to Osteopath Dr. Stephen Ward, the procurator of young women for the Profumo crowd. Ward also conveniently topped himself and Prince Phillip remained just a man in search of pain relief for a troublesome back.

  45. Later teens includes 18 and 19 year olds.

    I’m not buying. Say children if you mean children, or minors if you want to be more specific.

    especially if the men are rich.

    Well no shit.

  46. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Sixteen and over is what I mean by ‘later teens’. They are not ‘children’ and minors only in some jurisdictions although I think that in matters like this all aged 16 or 17 should be treated as minors in moral terms. Over 18 may always be considered adults although in these late teens many girls are still liable to be subject to influence. The 18th birthday carries no magic wand of change. Andrew was pictured with a 17 year old girl whom he likely considered 18. At 18 in a place like this he should have still thought her too young. Candy’s point, I think.

  47. Stimpson J. Cat

    I’m sure the Royal Family are all lovely people, and Jimmy Savile was knighted by the Queen in 1990.

    Have a great day!

  48. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Men can offer other things to young girls besides riches, Dot. Influence for instance. That’s what Weinstein offered. Acting jobs.

  49. Leigh Lowe

    Squirrel

    #3215970, posted on November 19, 2019 at 7:03 pm

    If Andrew had a media adviser worth feeding, he would have either shut up completely, or announced that he is contemplating transitioning.

    I think that is the point.
    The media advisers did all the right things, but Randy Andy, being the smartest guy in an empty room, thought he might wing it.
    Moron.

  50. candy

    Thanks Lizzie, I appeciate your comments and thoughts.

  51. Scott Osmond

    Ladies, at 18 if she is old enough to voet, enter legally binding contracts and even stand for parliament then she’s old enough to except the consiquences of jumping in to bed with a man old enough to be her dad. Don’t bother with the morality argument because as I’ve said before argument ad-morality was put up against the wall shot and it’s carcase stuffed decades ago.

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