Them’s fighting words

Craig Emerson landed a few heavy hits on the Greens today in an AFR op-ed.

When I entered parliament in 1998, attacks on “economic rationalism” were all the rage on the progressive side of politics. I showed Bob Hawke a draft of my first speech, where I wrote we surely should not support economic irrationalism. He strongly approved. I told parliament that One Nation and other national socialists were the champions of economic irrationalism —tariff and financial policies that would impoverish Australian workers and destroy jobs.

Yet more than 20 years later, national socialism is resurgent. But so is international green socialism – a variant of white supremacism, where well-off greens demand the races of Asia and Africa forgo economic development using fossil fuels to rectify the sins we white, affluent humans have inflicted on the planet.

Green socialism is white supremacism. Now I’ve arguing for years that a lot of international tax policy, for example, is a form of fiscal imperialism. Where rich countries get to impose their political preferences on poor countries.  Craig has escalated. It is awesome. He is correct.

What is far more interesting to my mind is that Craig Emerson just having finished off the Labor review of their election loss has decided to belt the Greens and to belt them hard. The rest of the op-ed is about the importance of civility and moderation and being sensible etc. in public debate.  I suspect we might see the ALP distancing themselves from the Greens and trying to take the moderate centre. Certainly in economic policy that is where they need to be if they hope to have more success in coming elections.

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60 Responses to Them’s fighting words

  1. stackja

    ALP not need Greens anymore?
    As I remember Richo made a deal with the Greens for whatever it takes.

  2. Nob

    “flight shaming” is the new “we grew here, you flew here”

    #greenracism

  3. Pyrmonter

    Call me cynical, but … does it not make sense for the ALP to seek the middle ground, confident that Green preferences will flow to it in 90% of the seats it might consider competitive? Surrendering a few Reps seats and accepting that the Greens provide a convenient point of contrast in the Senate, making the ALP appear the ‘voice of moderation’ is a sensible strategy, if one also likely to lead to further left wing policy.

    (A note to the Coalition and some more voluble Cats … two might play at that game. The coalition don’t win votes from Labor by donning the clothes of PHON)

    Emerson remains for me one of those great missed opportunities. So often (rather like Leigh, before his entry into parliament) he could sound sensible. But when he might have exercised influence, he was mute.

  4. Of course it’s white supremacism. It is, after all, only the wealthy whites that are constantly trying to keep the third world in poverty. Just check out ‘Their People”: https://greens.org.au/mps

  5. Sinclair Davidson

    But when he might have exercised influence, he was mute.

    Well. Sort of. Yes. Like so many, we don’t know what they argued in the party room. I find it very fraustrating too.

    Also they gave him trade as a portfolio – what a waste of his talent. Especially with Swan (!) in Treasury.

  6. Nob

    Pyrmonter,
    If the Coalition moves left then the only choice for Labor is to move further left.

    For Labor to occupy the “middle ground” (which is surely only defined by the extremes) it would have to move right and Coalition further right to maintain points of difference.

    Which I see as a necessary correction.

  7. Roger

    What is far more interesting to my mind is that Craig Emerson just having finished off the Labor review of their election loss has decided to belt the Greens and to belt them hard.

    A welcome development, to be sure.

    But let’s just wait and see how preference deals work out at the next election, shall we?

    Whatever it takes, Comrades.

  8. candy

    He makes good, sturdy sense and from what I could read, clear and straightforward views.

  9. Rusty of Qld

    A leopard dosen’t change it’s spots. You can’t trust any politician. Show me a politician that truly puts his country first above all else, not their desire to get elected as their first priority and stay elected as their second priority and if they do something good for the country that wins them votes, well thats a bonus.

  10. Rohan

    So Emerson has finally passed the Ranga’s Marxist coloured contact lenses. It’s been a long, rough passage out.

  11. Rusty

    Michael Costa started making sense so they got rid of him. A State ALP Treasurer with Hayek on the

    There are quite a few smart cookies in the ALP along with deadshit commies like Jackie Trad, they understand economics and politics, but they really want to rule a country more than they want to stick to principles.

    https://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/state-politics/michael-costa-the-free-radical/news-story/bde13948fd34ebd0ac35d91ac38bad50

    Michael Costa: the free radical

    By Imre Salusinszky
    TheAustralian
    1:00AM September 5, 2008

    His hero is Ronald Reagan. He’s a champion of privatisation. And don’t even get him started on climate change. Labor’s great eccentric, NSW Treasurer Michael Costa, talked to Imre Salusinszky in the Magazine in April this year:

  12. Ellie

    I think the entire idea of economic rationalism was deeply flawed. Indeed – it was a noble cause, but not one that could be sustained in a heavily unionised work force, which with the support of the ALP, always pushed towards greater private wealth for the worker, at the expense of greater profit for the employer.

    Hanson’s push, as far as I can see, was never about economic rationalism or it’s reverse. The thrust was always jobs for Australians first – before imports. A noble cause, but not necessarily an effective one – due to the fact that a lot of Aussies don’t want to do trashy jobs or live in remote places to make a life.

    Probably due to the Whitlam/Hawke/Keating years – everybody was pushed to go to University – literally free education under HECS (until the tax man gets you).

    Our stocks of tradies and manual labourers dwindled to the point where we no longer have enough to meet the need – hence migration.

    The uni years produced a generation of people, who expected that the country owed them a 100k + job, that didn’t entail much work. When this obviously didn’t happen for most – they swelled the ranks of unionism – during the 80s, 90s and 2000s trying to extort the best possible deal out of employers.

    With global marketing competition reaching a peak in the mid 2000s – Australia simply priced itself out of competition – being unable to satisfy consumers who turned in favour of imports.

    In other words, Labor Socialism promised the world – but basically wrecked the country. I see Green Socialism as being more akin to pure Communism – but they are using the environment and the threat of extinction to push their cause. They don’t feel that you should have to work – as it’s much more important to save the planet.

    A lot of ALP supporters have a foot in each camp. The kicker with the Greens though – if they ever attained their desired society – it would only be if they were the controlling body. Not unlike the Kremlin. Our Constitution would be out the door on day two.

    In short – economic rationalism is a pipe dream in today’s society. There are too many competing factors…..unionism, Greens, and the perpetually unemployed.

    I’m very rarely serious here, but there ya go. A mouth full! Gulp!

    Oh and PS, Craig Emerson is a bit of a fuckwit. The only time the ALP will turn on the Greens, is if they have a huge majority in their own right – at which time, they would try to crush the Greens underfoot.

  13. one old bruce

    20 years ago he was accusing John Howard of ‘racism against Asians’. Won’t discuss real everyday issues with people he thinks are beneath him, like Andrew Bolt. The St Pats boy anointed by Bob Hawke. Done well for himself hasn’t he? (Don’t care about his childhood ‘hardship’ – mine was no different, and we practically grew up together in Sydney’s inner west – friends in common). Can’t stand the pompous b*stard. Sorry (not sorry).

  14. The problem with liberal reforms were that they never entailed tax and spending cuts. Workers (the biggest voting bloc) never saw cash in hand benefits for reforms.

    Howard accumulated 100 bn of surpluses and gave very small tax cuts. He also ran huge (but responsible) budgets with plenty of fat in them.

    Our Constitution would be out the door on day two.

    It barely matters anymore anyway. The High Court like nothing more than a pat on the head and a tummy rub.

    The ALP, hate, HATE the Greens. You have to get a true believe pissed to see how much and observe them spill their guts.

  15. Sinclair Davidson

    To be fair Ellie a lot of what passed for economic rationalism was a out-of-control cost accountants who had learned enough microeconomics to dangerous and not useful.

  16. If only the feral abacii looked at government spending.

  17. Entropy

    Nah Ellie, PHON, Katter et al are definitely socialists. Their economic policies are all about central control of the economy through price controls, tariffs and eventually, quotas in order to redistribute wealth.

    It’s just that the commies and other varieties of warring international socialists can’t stand national socialists because they are splitters, and of course they remember the nasty variety of national socialists that they thought were friends until they turned out to be rather more international in outlook than national back in 1941, and have not forgiven them. So they go all Gramsci on them, accusing them of being evil right wingers.

    Amusing little dig calling them “national socialists” by Emerson.

  18. Entropy

    Howard accumulated 100 bn of surpluses and gave very small tax cuts. He also ran huge (but responsible) budgets with plenty of fat in them.

    And this is why governments will never pay off debt. The voters won’t let them.

  19. Tintarella di Luna

    ALP not need Greens anymore?
    As I remember Richo made a deal with the Greens for whatever it takes.

    Yep in 1983 that means Labor will have to be prepared to surrender their seats behind the goat-cheese curtain to the Green White Supremacists, I doubt they have the courage to put the Greens stone motherless last where they should have been put and never given them any oxygen at all.

  20. Entropy

    Sinclair Davidson
    #3216014, posted on November 19, 2019 at 8:09 pm
    To be fair Ellie a lot of what passed for economic rationalism was a out-of-control cost accountants who had learned enough microeconomics to dangerous and not useful.

    Quite so.

  21. Entropy

    I have heard that the libs will preference greens ahead of Trad in the next Qld election. Hope not, the end result will be another green in the Qld parliament, and Trad awarded a senate seat by the ALP left faction.

  22. one old bruce

    Exactly Tinta, and they play the ‘racism’ card as Emerson did as long as it serves their schemes of power, never mind it opens a pandora’s box of troubles for ordinary Australians forever after. They have the high moral ground you see, and anyway can retire on a fat pension somewhere safe. What’s the word, hypocrisy?

  23. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    so is international green socialism – a variant of white supremacism, where well-off greens demand the races of Asia and Africa forgo economic development using fossil fuels to rectify the sins we white, affluent humans have inflicted on the planet

    Thank you, Cap’n Obvious. I’ve been stating this for decades, well before it was ever fashionable and gotten into some serious shouting matches as a result.

    But hey, it’s OK, thanks to our beloved local greenfilth and labore’s inexcusable expedient pandering to them, we’ll now experience the joy of being forced to get by without fossil fuels as well.

    Would that monumental imbecile Emerson advocate urgently building about five new coal fired power stations? Immediately ending subsidies for wind and solar?

    Of course not. He’d never be asked to conduct a labore election thumping post-mortem again if he did.

  24. Bruce of Newcastle

    Emerson engaging in some civil, moderate and sensible public debate.

    He horrifically criticised Abbott for attacking the carbon tax and now he is saying this:

    a variant of white supremacism, where well-off greens demand the races of Asia and Africa forgo economic development using fossil fuels to rectify the sins we white, affluent humans have inflicted on the planet.

    Either that is breathtaking hypocrisy or a Road to Damascus moment. Forgive me if in my cynicism I don’t think it’s the latter.

  25. I don’t believe a word of it.

    They have a guaranteed flow of 9.5% of most workers pay packets, soon to be 12%, into compulsory 40 year loans to their trade union ‘super funds’. Run by time serving trade union organisers who reached the top by doing exactly what they were told by David Hanna.

    Look at what they do, not what they say.

  26. Siltstone

    Sinc was conned by Turnbull (oh how he loved the Potentially Great PM) and is now conned by potentially nothing Emerson. Sad.

  27. Entropy

    Bruce of Newcastle
    #3216048, posted on November 19, 2019 at 8:41 pm
    Emerson engaging in some civil, moderate and sensible public debate.

    He horrifically criticised Abbott for attacking the carbon tax and now he is saying this:

    a variant of white supremacism, where well-off greens demand the races of Asia and Africa forgo economic development using fossil fuels to rectify the sins we white, affluent humans have inflicted on the planet.

    Either that is breathtaking hypocrisy or a Road to Damascus moment. Forgive me if in my cynicism I don’t think it’s the latter

    Nah. He is saying we should be dressing in sackcloth and ashes, whipping our backs with barbed wire and giving all our monies to the third world. Because we have sinned.

  28. Colonel Crispin Berka

    Nobody mentioned it yet? No? Okay, I will.
    Obviously the ALP got the memo from Obama on avoiding wokeness, and they are running to try to make up for lost time, Emerson is the first runner in the relay team, starting with the easy-to-pop stuff which is economics.

    If I’m right, I’ll learn nothing. If I’m wrong, I’ll learn something about the ALP.

  29. Davey Boy

    Yeah yeah Emerson says something a bit different post-(election) review but I betcha his party ends up pushing the same shite product, one way or the other. The Freak collective of Wong, Dilbeserk et al have been shut up for now but it won’t be long before they start spouting their weirdness albeit in terms that they think won’t scare away the normies.

  30. Snoopy

    that monumental imbecile Emerson

    You’re far too kind, Spurge.

  31. DaveR

    Its a pity for the ALP that Emerson wasn’t as clear about the danger of the greens and how Shorten embraced them at he expense of the workers, and lost the election. But he never has been brave speaking to his own side. A life of lost opportunity.

  32. Lazlo

    Alan Jones was socking it to them this evening, identifying Glimate Change as our (sane peoples’) greatest moral challenge now, given its adoption as the theoretical foundation for 21st century Marxism and its infiltration into schools, whereby our children have been indoctrinated. Now they are on the verge of winning, whereby dissenting views will not be allowed (first they came for the Conversation, then the ABC, then Nine..). Climate Crisis is now being accepted uncritically.

    FFS I have been hollering this for at least 12 years! In the immortal words of Pauline: Wake Up Australia!

  33. Entropy
    #3216029, posted on November 19, 2019 at 8:18 pm

    Howard accumulated 100 bn of surpluses and gave very small tax cuts. He also ran huge (but responsible) budgets with plenty of fat in them.

    And this is why governments will never pay off debt. The voters won’t let them.

    ???

    Costello paid off the debt.

  34. jupes

    What is far more interesting to my mind is that Craig Emerson just having finished off the Labor review of their election loss has decided to belt the Greens and to belt them hard.

    While in the Labor review he recommends keeping Green policy on climate change.

    Go figure.

  35. Colonel Crispin Berka
    #3216103, posted on November 19, 2019 at 10:03 pm
    Nobody mentioned it yet? No? Okay, I will.
    Obviously the ALP got the memo from Obama on avoiding wokeness, and they are running to try to make up for lost time, Emerson is the first runner in the relay team, starting with the easy-to-pop stuff which is economics.

    Absolutely spot on.

    As evidenced by some here people are fooled so easily by words. “Oh he’s finally seen the light!”, has he fuck. Like every leftist he will change positions depending on what will retain him and his cronies power. Did everyone have a lobotomy and forget that Labor spent their time in power with their knobs so far up The Greens backsides that when Di Natale opened his mouth a Labor mushroom fell out?

    Labor own The Greens and vice versa and they should sink with them. None of this enemy of my enemy bullshit, especially when it is thoroughly insincere and pragmatic. Destroying The Greens would be aiding Labor and that is precisely what this devious fucktard is up to.

    Chain the cannon ball to both of them and chuck them overboard.

  36. tombell

    whilst Labor primary vote(federal) hovers near/below 30% they will remain beholden to the Greens.

  37. Behind Enemy Lines

    Them’s fighting words
    Posted on 6:34 pm, November 19, 2019 by Sinclair Davidson
    Craig Emerson landed a few heavy hits on the Greens today in an AFR op-ed.

    “. . . I entered parliament in 1998 . . . [y]et more than 20 years later, national socialism is resurgent.”

    Emerson’s talking about you, whether you know it or not.

    It’s neither fair nor smart to help the ALP smear traditional Australians holding traditional Australian concerns as Nazis. It’s the new cultural cringe.

    Don’t do it.

  38. struth

    Sinclair………his lips are moving.
    Please stop it.

  39. bespoke

    Ellie

    More please 👍👍

  40. Iampeter

    I think it’s pretty impressive that Emerson can correctly identity the battle today as being one between up and coming nationalist socialists (conservatives) and internationalist socialists (progressives like the Greens).
    But if he thinks Labor lost the election because they were too left then I think he is misreading things badly.
    They lost because they weren’t left wing enough for our electorate.
    The Coalition won by running a more left wing platform than Labor, promising more goodies and somehow fewer taxes.

    The real issue today is how far the Overton Window has shifted left and how little sign there is of this being reversed anytime soon.

    While parties may overtly appear to distance themselves from the Greens, their support for implementing Green policies is going to continue to be as serious as ever and likely increase. Not to mention that conservatives in Australia are far more responsible for the environmentalist mess than the Greens themselves.

  41. Mak Siccar

    An excellent spray by the immensely readable James Allan.

    https://www.spectator.com.au/2019/11/allan-james-allan/

    Accordingly, I finish by pointing out to the geniuses in the Coalition government, the people who gave us the Foreign Influence Transparency Scheme, that really you are doing a splendid job all by yourselves in undermining Australia. There are no grounds at all for worrying about ‘foreign agents’ ruining Australia when Team Morrison is doing such a splendid job all by itself. Remember, when my family and I arrived in Australia at the start of 2005 we had the democratic world’s cheapest energy. Now it’s pretty much the highest. That is all the doing of politicians, and largely (it pains me to say) of those of the Liberal party. Or consider other Liberal party- induced insanities. Australia’s investment in so-called ‘clean energy’ (so not nuclear) amounts to just over US$400 per capita per year. That’s basically double, yes double, the next most profligate countries of Japan and the US (at $215 and $205 respectively). And it’s more than double the UK’s spending and a good deal more than six times Canada’s. And for what? We are statistically irrelevant when it comes to affecting the world’s climate. We could submit to the preaching of some of the wilder voices against the European arrival in Australia and opt to go back to a Stone Age life and you know what difference that would make to the world’s rate of increase of the temperature? Zero. We’re impoverishing ourselves so that those frequenting inner- city dinner parties can, between jet trips to Europe, feel good about themselves – and possibly to help out the rent-seekers in the renewables brigade, not to mention trying to save Josh Frydenberg’s seat at the next election.

    Then there’s the world’s dumbest submarine purchase, the equivalent of flushing billions down the toilet. Thank you Liberal party. There’s the monopolistic NBN that should have been cancelled on day one of the Abbott government, on day one of the Turnbull government, on day one of the Morrison government, or now. The fallacy of ‘sunk costs’ seems to have infected all these Coalition governments. Plus there’s the way the military has been turned into an arm of the Social Justice Warriors movement by the Libs. Oh, and don’t ever forget the attack on superannuation.

    Then there is the inability of any Liberal government seemingly to resist the temptation to appoint lefties to everything going. Mad at the ABC for the left-wing fiascos that are Q&A, The Drum and so on? The top two people at the ABC were recently appointed by Team Morrison. And the Human Rights Commission? Top people appointed by Team Turnbull.

    Remember John O’Sullivan’s law: Any organisation not overtly right-leaning will over time become captured by the Left. So who in their right mind hands over the oversight of the Foreign Influence Transparency Scheme law to Canberra’s public servants? Well, the same people who apparently believe that freedom of religion can be protected by another Human Rights Commissioner. God they’re dumb.

  42. Mark M

    Anyone remember voting for Australia to commit to Agenda 21/2030?

    The SDGs embody Australian values and our ambitions for our region: prosperity, stability and inclusivity.
    We joined with others to reaffirm our commitment to the UN’s 2030 Agenda at September’s SDG Summit.

    https://unny.mission.gov.au/files/unny/151019_adoption_of_the_sdg_summit_political_declaration.pdf

    If I wanted to vote for LaboUr, I would have voted LaboUr …

  43. A Lurker

    The Left lies.
    The Left projects.
    The Left does whatever it takes.
    Never forget those three truths.

  44. dover_beach

    James Allen is dead right. Pretty much on everything, the Libs and Nats submit in some form to Leftist demands. The Left says: You must die! The LibNats reply: Can we meet you halfway?

  45. Mak Siccar

    Mark M
    #3216220, posted on November 20, 2019 at 6:54 am
    Anyone remember voting for Australia to commit to Agenda 21/2030?

    We already have Labor Lite – see my earlier quote of James Allan

  46. mem

    Breaking News https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/breaking-news/climate-change-a-health-priority-labor/news-story/92159a290fed46adeed776b81f63c479
    Climate change a health priority: Labor
    Daniel McCulloch, Australian Associated Press
    November 20, 2019 7:42am
    The effects of climate change must be treated as a health priority alongside cancer and diabetes, Labor frontbencher Chris Bowen says.

    In a speech to be delivered in Sydney on Wednesday night, Mr Bowen will point to estimates that 250,000 people a year will die as a direct result of global warming by 2030.

    “Natural disasters are already occurring more regularly,” he says.

    “Vector borne diseases will become more prevalent and widespread. Heat waves, which already claim many lives in Australia will be more common and more severe.”

    Mr Bowen says Labor will make the policy change if it wins government, but is calling on Health Minister Greg Hunt to act sooner.

    Originally published as Climate change a health priority: Labor

  47. JC

    The Coalition won by running a more left wing platform than Labor, promising more goodies and somehow fewer taxes.

    Lol
    Shorter plodes

    I’m really a disguised liars party supporter.

  48. I_am_not_a_robot

    Green socialism is white supremacism …
    It’s a critique that has been made many times before:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVMbXtUMlJY
    That the penny has finally dropped to an old Labor stalwart I suppose could be described as “awesome”.

  49. bollux

    Emerson is and always was, an idiot. Can’t sing, can’t dance, can’t think.

  50. One reason to disbelieve Emmo! is that he was not boned by the ALP.

    Remember Michael Costa:

    Michael Costa started making sense so they got rid of him.

  51. Roger W

    Maybe it’s just that Emerson is no longer distracted by the Welsh Slapper?

  52. Davey Boy

    [email protected]:11
    Didn’t take long did it, as predicted, more doomer weirdshittery, this time from Christopher Eyles Guy Bowen hisself
    A penny for the old Guy

  53. Colonel Crispin Berka

    mem #3216246, posted on November 20, 2019 at 8:11 am
    Breaking News
    Climate change a health priority: Labor

    You might think this invalidates my prediction of less than 10 hours earlier, but I still have wriggle room.

    I did say it was a relay team which implied there will be shifts in different ALP policies in a sequence over time. They started with the easy stuff, which is economics, and they won’t move to environmental science realism until well after they have uncoupled from the Greens. So possibly never.

  54. Iampeter

    The thing with the spray by James Allan is that it doesn’t get into any specifics as usual. It’s just cognitive dissonance. So he’s a conservative and therefore a right winger? But the Liberals are not? Ok, why?
    What does it mean to be conservative?
    What’s the difference between left wing and right wing?
    How are conservatives on the right wing side of politics?

    Conservatives never speak in terms of fundamentals because that’s when things really start falling apart and all the contradictions become unavoidable. Instead they keep creating political movements, like the Liberals, then disowning them when they predictably function like some confused variant of a left wing party.

    Maybe the issue is with conservatism itself.

  55. OldOzzie

    Yet more than 20 years later, national socialism is resurgent. But so is international green socialism – a variant of white supremacism, where well-off greens demand the races of Asia and Africa forgo economic development using fossil fuels to rectify the sins we white, affluent humans have inflicted on the planet.

    Perhaps he should read

    Out of America: A Black Man Confronts Africa
    By Keith B. Richburg

    Nothing in Keith Richburg’s long and respected journalistic career at the Washington Post prepared him for what he would encounter as the paper’s correspondent in Africa. At first all he could focus on was an Africa he tried his best to explain, a continent where brutal murder had become routine, where dictators and warlords silenced dissent with machine guns and machetes, where local officials sought payoffs for the most routine tasks, and where starvation had become depressingly common. But slowly, and with a great deal of personal anguish, this reporter asked a much more difficult question: If this is Africa, what does it mean for me to be an African American?

    In this provocative and unvarnished account of his three years on the continent of his ancestors, Richburg takes us on an extraordinary journey that sweeps from Somalia to Rwanda to Zaire and finally to South Africa, and shows how he was forced to confront the divide within himself between his African racial heritage and his American cultural identity

    Are these really my people? he wonders. Am I truly an African American? The answer, Richburg finds after much soul-searching, is that black skin is not enough to bind him to Africa and that he is an American first, foremost, and singularly. To those who would romanticize Mother Africa as a black Valhalla, where blacks can walk with dignity and pride, he regrets to report that this is not the reality. He has been there and has witnessed the killings, the repression, the false promises, the horror. And in his darkest night of the soul, Richburg looks into his own family’s past and concludes, “Thank God. Thank God my nameless ancestor, brought across the ocean in chains and leg irons, made it out alive. Thank God I am an American.”

  56. Squirrel

    “I suspect we might see the ALP distancing themselves from the Greens and trying to take the moderate centre.”

    A bleeding obvious solution (particularly as Green preferences really have nowhere else to go), but achieving it in a way which is believable to the punterariat will not just take the installation of a leader who is not from a gentrified inner-urban seat, it will also require a purge of almost Maoist proportions to clear out all the fantasists who are dangerously detached from the economic realities facing Australia.

  57. miltonf

    This is the guy who make a joke about people loosing their livelihoods. Such is the disposition of our effete elites.

  58. Eyrie

    Ellie, would it matter if our Constitution went out the window? It doesn’t seem to offer any rights or protections from government to any individual.

  59. Eyrie

    Wasn’t Emerson the bloke who wrecked onshore oil exploration in Australia ca. 1990 ?

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