Open Forum: November 23, 2019

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  1. jo

    Cassie, I think you mean definition, it is a lot more accurate.

  2. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Posters exhibiting signs of early onset Alzheimer’s perhaps,

    That’s you isn’t it, Numbers?
    Repetitive obsessional thoughts and completely unaware of how they are received in public.

  3. Megan

    Cassie @ 7.49am.

    Chance would be a fine thing. Has not the capacity to understand exactly what the d word means. It doesn’t mean protect from insult. Especially when they are demonstrably true.

    He would fail at the first hurdle when he can not answer the question as to why he devotes so much of his miserable, narrow and unoriginal life to the site that hurts his poor, widdle feelings..

  4. Mater

    Sir Wilfred Kent Hughes (Member for Chisholm, and an ex prisoner of war)

    Also:

    A Lighthorse Veteran of both Gallipoli and the Middle East,
    A recipient of the Military Cross,
    A Rhodes Scholar,
    An Olympic Athlete (100m & 400m Hurdles),
    A WW2 Veteran,
    A Victorian State politician, and (as stated)
    A Federal Politician.

  5. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    He would fail at the first hurdle when he can not answer the question as to why he devotes so much of his miserable, narrow and unoriginal life to the site that hurts his poor, widdle feelings..

    Yes, Megan. He should go back to walking with ‘The Pedestrian’ and give up trying to fly high here.

  6. Johno

    Hazmatic. I have lunch with Genghis twice a year, once at christmas and once on the 6th June, Binh Ba day.

    I have only met Murray Blake about 6 or 7 times since SVN. Has not changed one bit.

    Two blokes who are the complete opposite of the whinger from Toowoomba.

  7. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Numbers opens his mouth here and always crash lands. lol.

  8. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    nambot requires heavy scrolling, congrats on whoever managed to get it to waste so much time

  9. Johno

    True Lizzy, but in his own mind he is the winner. The WINNER I tells ya.

  10. min

    At a recent meeting of Retirement Village Managers 400 from all over Australia , the new rules for governing such places were discussed. For instance, when I signed agreement after buying an apartment, management were able to ask residents to move on if their behaviour effected the place. Now new mental health rules allow people to stay because of issues of autonomony , that is if one says I don’t want to go, they cannot make you leave. This has happened here as there have been residents who have developed dementia and refuse to get carers to be with them so stuff not nicked, staff were abused or they sit around in dirty clothing and unwashed in public areas not a good look in an upmarket place with prospective buyers coming to look at place. However a new problem has come up as a manager from another place said that she had trannies in her village and what rules would be applicable then.
    I thought there would not be too many in our demographic.

  11. stackja

    The Great Storm of 1703 was a destructive extratropical cyclone that struck central and southern England on 26 November 1703 (7 December 1703 in the Gregorian calendar in use today). High winds caused 2,000 chimney stacks to collapse in London and damaged the New Forest, which lost 4,000 oaks.

    AGW in 1703!

  12. 1735099

    You’ll very quickly realise that public attitudes …

    As reflected, obviously, in the results of the 1972 federal election?

  13. 132andBush

    Son: Mummy, when I grow up I’m going to be a Socialist.

    Mummy: That’s nice dear but you can’t do both.

  14. Knuckle Dragger

    If nothing else, Mr Matic’s overnight post enlightened some as to the possible reasons why a certain lightweight tried his best not to tell anyone in his own home town he was coming back from overseas.

    There may have been at least two diggers in the town who weren’t shy about dishing out a backhander or two to people who refused to pull their weight.

    This, of course, was before he ran away from demonstrating for his cause du jour when the wallopers turned up. In this day and age he’d be a more mincy version of XR, trying to glue himself to horses while yelling about the terrible Tesla charger deficit.

  15. Top Ender

    Only in the lunatic NT Department”

    UFO believers get ready for Pine Gap scrap

    NATASHA EMECK

    HUNDREDS of alien enthusiasts have signed up to storm the top secret Pine Gap satellite surveillance base near Alice Springs this weekend.

    A Facebook event called “Storm Pine Gap aka Australian Area 51” has garnered over 280 “I’m going” responses.

    “Don’t worry, my fellow Australians, you don’t need to travel to Nevada cause we actually have our own Area 51,” it said on the Facebook page.

    “It’s the same as in America, the government is hiding s**t from us.

    “We need to rescue the aliens! Who’s with me?

    “I say f**k the government and lets storm that shit!

    “They can’t arrest all of us.”

    Pine Gap has been operating for more than 50 years and is locked down under tight security and police patrols.

    The joint US and Australian defence facility is considered one of the country’s most secretive sites.

    Which means it has also attracted the odd conspiracy theory or two including aliens.

    But UFO spotting MLA Gerry Wood said he was sceptical there would be any “little green men” walking around there.

    “I don’t think the Americans are worried about finding aliens, I think they’d be more worried about China and the Middle East,” Mr Wood said.

    “Besides, Alice Springs would be an uncomfortable place for aliens to be, it’s too hot.

    “I think that hot weather might be making people delusional if they think aliens are being kept in Pine Gap.

    “You’ll also get in a lot of trouble if you storm that place, it’s a secure site.”

    He rated the theory a minus one out of five on the Gerrymeter – the credibility scale named after him in honour of his standing as the Territory’s most trustworthy politician.

    “I actually haven’t heard of any UFO sightings across the Top End in a while,” Mr Wood said.

    “They’ve been a bit quite up there lately.

    “I think it’s all those lights and clouds from the Inpex site have warned them to stay away.”

  16. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    I remember a judge telling me long ago that politics would come to a halt if they sued each other for defamation.

    It’s a good thing they have access to the sanctuary that is cowards’ castle, then, innit? Something Donkey vote Dave should have been a little more cognizant of.

  17. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    We need to rescue the aliens! Who’s with me?

    Collectivists. They grow more batshit crazy by the day.

  18. Arky

    mh
    #3245144, posted on November 26, 2019 at 8:25 am
    NOVEMBER 25, 2019
    Who Pays the Tax on Imports from China?

    ..
    Great article mh.
    Those graphs blow stupid libertarian “free trade” arguments out of the water eh?
    Reality isn’t linear and markets do not respond to either tariffs or the absence of tariffs in the way these arse clowns have been claiming for decades.
    Arseholes.
    Apologise for the damage you have done libertarian idiots.
    De-industrialisation, opioid crisis, the rise of a totalitarian military power in our region.
    You are literally worse than the labourites wrt the damage you have caused.

  19. Tom

    CONAN!

    Thanks for posting, mh.

    Trump’s Twitter feed is not only excellent entertainment, but one of the few ways of bypassing the 24/7 fake news barrage from Washington DC.

  20. lotocoti

    The Poles also expected an attack by Britain and France on Germany’s Western Front, which would have been of great assistance.
    Instead all they got were words (i.e. declarations of war on 3 September 1939) and moral support.

    The French did wander into the Saarland, but the Krauts had a little luck, crypto-wise, and discovered there was no real intent requiring the relocation of troops from Poland.

  21. Leigh Lowe

    Posters exhibiting signs of early onset Alzheimer’s perhaps,

    That’s you isn’t it, Numbers?
    Repetitive obsessional thoughts and completely unaware of how they are received in public.

    Yep.
    Short term memory shot so can’t remember the dopey shit he posted yesterday, therefore is obsessed with distant past.
    Hey spud!
    Go check the stove.
    You’ve probably got an empty saucepan on high.
    Oh, and you socks will be in the microwave … with the cat.

  22. 1735099

    There may have been at least two diggers in the town….

    Except that Terry Egan never, as far as I know, was a resident of Texas.
    That was my “town” when I was a Nasho.
    You’re a funny old thing.
    Your understanding of time and geography is warped, to say the least.
    Terry was a nice bloke. I never met, him, but did attend a few functions he was at before he died.
    There’s a room named after him at the Oakey Aviation museum.
    One of my sons and his granddaughter were an item for quite a while.
    That wasn’t in Toowoomba, of course.
    Just letting KD know, before he skids off on another tangent.

  23. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    Tracey Spice-Rack was going to bring down some big names, Rex.
    Any big names named?

    The only name named was that of one of the alleged “victims”.

    Sterling work by our beloved ALPBC and “house sized arse” Spicer.

  24. mh

    Yes Arky, and interesting it’s the Fed site.

    Most of the ideas that libertarian economists cling to so tightly are shown to be weak when tested in the real world.

  25. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘did attend a few functions he was at before he died’

    At RSLs, no doubt.

  26. Old School Conservative

    Thanks for the midnight post Hazmatic.
    I enjoy your writing.
    As a simple civilian, you give me a deeper understanding of the Vietnam war.

  27. struth

    Good Moaning.
    As a person who worked in Pine gap to security code yellow, let me let everyone in on a secret.
    There are aliens in Pine Gap.

    They are people who believe in freedom and western civilisation.
    It certainly is alien to this country.

  28. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Violence no barrier to medivac for Nauru asylum-seeker

    EXCLUSIVE
    Simon Benson
    National Affairs Editor
    Rosie Lewis
    Reporter
    @rosieslewis
    12:00AM November 26, 2019
    78 Comments

    An asylum-seeker on Nauru charged with domestic violence offences and facing allegations he attempted to enter into a relationship with a 13-year-old girl has been approved for medical transfer to Australia, as the government tries to win the support of Senate crossbencher Jacqui Lambie to repeal medivac laws.

    It is understood the man was approved for transfer several weeks ago after being assessed by a panel of independent doctors for a mental health condition under the medivac provisions and is awaiting a flight to Australia.

    The government will seek to exploit the case as Home Affairs Minister Peter Dutton tries to scrap the laws after being prevented from intervening because the case did not meet the threshold on threats to national security or a history of serious criminality.

    The man is believed to be in his 30s and has been on Nauru since trying to reach Australia by boat in 2013. It is believed his claim for asylum has been processed but ­remains unresolved as Australian authorities have been unable to verify his identity.

    Scott Morrison met with independent Tasmanian Senator Lambie — the last remaining crossbench vote he needs to ­repeal the laws — on Monday but a deal has not yet been clinched.

    While Senator Lambie is said to be wanting the medivac bill amended rather than abolished, the government considers it difficult to shift ground on its decision to repeal the laws because it ­believes they are a key national security issue.

    From the Oz. Thanks for nothing, Tasmanian voters.

  29. MatrixTransform

    Women’s sports are dying, and very quickly.

    another win for wymynsys everywhere

  30. feelthebern

    Lambie will give her support, but only after taxpayers send more dosh to Tasmania.
    Thanks ScoMo.
    She has turned into another green mailer like Brian Harradine.

  31. cohenite

    Thanks for the toons Tom!

    They compensate for the troll who has been all over the shop like a mad woman’s period this morning.

  32. feelthebern

    Women’s sports are dying, and very quickly.

    Quick, add more penis.

  33. Juan

    UK chief rabbi Ephraim Mirvis on the choice facing the UK. This is as strongly worded a statement as you’re ever likely to witness from a widely respected religious leader in a liberal democracy.

  34. cohenite

    Most of the children murdered in Australia over the last few years have been by women; now this latest effort:

    Shattered father vows ‘to expose the truth’ about how two baby girls ended up dead in a hot car – after their mother was charged with murder and drug offences

    And:

    Meanwhile, the state’s premier, Annastacia Palaszcuk, has confirmed Conley and her children were known to the Department of Child Safety.

    Friends had claimed several reports had been made to DOCS in the past.

    Place your bets about how many bureaufarts lose their jobs over this.

  35. feelthebern

    Place your bets about how many bureaufarts lose their jobs over this.

    I’m thinking zero.
    Plus promotions all around.

  36. Juan

    From Christian Porter’s defamation reform would be a catastrophic mistake:

    Even if the Attorney-General’s proposal was a good idea in principle, this policy would be particularly devastating for the conservative movement that supports his government. Indeed, it is hard to imagine a legislative proposal that would more effectively, and immediately, cut down the Australian conservative movement online.

    […]

    The Coalition government should also reflect on how some of its most recent legislative programs have backfired on conservatives. The Foreign Influence Transparency Scheme, passed in 2018 in order to tackle Chinese interference in Australian politics, is now being used to target the organiser of the Australian Conservative Political Action Conference, Andrew Cooper, and even Tony Abbott.

    The Attorney-General is right that defamation law needs reform. Australia’s defamation framework is heavy-handed and disproportionately favours private reputation over the public need to discuss significant issues.

  37. Juan

    UK chief rabbi Ephraim Mirvis on the choice facing the UK. This is as strongly worded a statement as you’re ever likely to witness from a widely respected religious leader in a liberal democracy.

  38. mh

    ⬆️ The top graph I linked to refers to the prices charged by Chinese suppliers and does not include tariff expenses. The article gives possible reasons for the import price stability.

    An important point made is there will be a search for alternative non Chinese suppliers. Which is already happening – see second graph.

  39. Bruce of Newcastle

    Women’s sports are dying, and very quickly.

    Quick, add more penis.

    Ok.

    All-transgender hockey team believed to be a first for the sport (24 Nov, via BCF)

    That’s exceeding even the famed Iranian women’s soccer side, which at least had three women in it.

  40. mh

    Juan
    #3245182, posted on November 26, 2019 at 9:15 am

    It looks like easy money, but you have to trust the pollsters. Which no one does anymore.

  41. 132andBush #3245143, posted on November 26, 2019 at 8:25 am

    Son: Mummy, when I grow up I’m going to be a Socialist.

    Mummy: That’s nice dear but you can’t do both.

    I nominate this as best cat joke of 2019.

  42. cohenite

    Fancy that: the first destruction of the library of Alexandria was in 47BC and at Julius Caesar’s orders because Cleo had given him the cold shoulder. The second and more complete destruction of all that knowledge was in AD 389 on the orders of the Christian emperor Theodosius and the Temple of Serapis which housed the library was burnt as a pagan monument. This started the dark ages. The final coup de grâce was AD 642 when an RoP arsehole called caliph omar, and get this, ordered all remaining texts which did not support the koran to be burnt, and those remaining texts which did support the koran should also be burnt because they were superfluous. Included were most of Diophantus’ Arithmetica.

    If I had a time machine my first port of call would be to rescue that library.

    The point is a case can be put that we are going through another knowledge destruction period today with alarmists and the PC left and their allies oppressing open discussion. It began when the RoP destroyed the twin towers representing the future and the twin buddhas representing the past. Censorship is a curse.

  43. johanna

    I watched the Trump + Conan thing.

    I don’t think that he is a dog person, and FFS he kept referring to Conan as a male, when Conan is a gurl. Bitches deserve respect! 🙂

    OTOH, Mike Pence is clearly a dog person. You can see how he keeps patting her, and she keeps looking at him. They like each other.

    At least Trump is not such a hypocrite that he pretends to be a regular guy by getting a dog, to be dubbed the First Dog. He was asked if he would adopt Conan, and said no. Then, Melania was asked, and she said no, emphatically.

    It might get a few dog-lovers offside, but I suspect that most people prefer honesty.

  44. Arky

    You should again ignore polling around the UK election.
    Unless looking at polling done in specific seats.
    The Brexit party agreeing to stand down in many electorates complicates polling methodology and makes accuracy impossible.
    A nation-wide poll, unless adjusted for the fact that many Brexit party voters no longer can vote for the party will skew Conservative.
    Making sense of the numbers coming out of polling companies would require much work to break down the real situation seat by seat.

  45. Juan

    It looks like easy money, but you have to trust the pollsters. Which no one does anymore.

    If accents are a measure of national homogeneity, the UK is exceptionally diverse.

    What is said of Generals ⁠— “There is a tendency in many armies to spend the peace time studying how to fight the last war” — holds true for pollsters, especially in the UK.

    After each election they get wrong, the pollsters recalibrate their methodology. They then apply the methodology which would have been perfect for the last election, to the subsequent one.

    An illustration of this is the weighting given to young voters in 2015 and 2017. In 2015 many young voters told pollsters they would vote Labour and they were very likely to vote. Come the day of the election, most actually stayed home. In 2017 surveys showed the same results from this cohort of voters and the pollsters said ‘Ha! You fooled us last time, we’re not falling for that again,’ and adjusted their results to reflect the 2015 result. But in 2017, those young voters actually turned up to vote and torpedoed May’s prospects of a Commons majority.

  46. The point is a case can be put that we are going through another knowledge destruction period today with alarmists and the PC left and their allies oppressing open discussion.

    No doubt, much was lost at Alexandria.

    I have a constitutional amendment that might help.

    “Parliaments shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances”

  47. Arky

    Also, again, betting markets on the UK election will be dubious, as they will be based on polling.
    If you are analysing the betting markets with thoughts of placing bets, think about the total number of bets placed for various outcomes, not the total dollars bet on an outcome.
    Look at the polling within each seat taking into account whether or not a Brexit candidate is standing, not at national polls.

  48. Old School Conservative

    Go Judith Sloan you good thing!
    So what have the baby boomers ever done for us?

    Apart from caring for children and grandchildren, investing in education and training, working hard and saving, dealing with difficult economic times, serving their country in military service and contributing to communities, I guess the answer is — nothing.
    This mac-using, ranga boomer (yes the trifecta) wants Judith for President.

  49. Juan

    I watched the Trump + Conan thing.

    I don’t think that he is a dog person, and FFS he kept referring to Conan as a male, when Conan is a gurl. Bitches deserve respect! 🙂

    Reminds me of this, which had me 🤣 when I first saw it.

    OTOH, Mike Pence is clearly a dog person. You can see how he keeps patting her, and she keeps looking at him. They like each other.

    Couldn’t agree more. Definitely a good moment (i.e. good framing) for the VP.

  50. It is indeed an ill wind.
    One of the side effects of Fatty 5D’s dysfunctional and amoral leadership is that it has revealed that quite a few senior figures in US public service have the backbone and moral fibre that he so obviously lacks –

    From Navy Secretary Richard Spencer’s letter of resignation –

    “In regards to the key principle of good order and discipline, I cannot in good conscience obey an order that I believe violates the sacred oath I took in the presence of my family, my flag and my faith to support and defend the Constitution of the United States.”

    Well done, that man…..

  51. Geriatric Mayfly

    Never work with children and animals. Wonder if Conan was given a pill before her encounter with her Commander in Chief. Just in case.

  52. Mother Lode

    An asylum-seeker on Nauru charged with domestic violence offences and facing allegations he attempted to enter into a relationship with a 13-year-old girl has been approved for medical transfer to Australia, as the government tries to win the support of Senate crossbencher Jacqui Lambie to repeal medivac laws.

    Medivac him to Tasmania.

    Tell Lambie she gets to pick which hospital.

    In her remote wind-whipped welfare-buoyed yokel-infested fastness in Tasmania things like country shoppers would be a remote ‘mainland’ problem. Let us get a little of our money back on all the GST piped at high pressure to that place. Let them have a little of what the mainland has to put up with while we produce the wealth they expect their tithes of as their God-given due.

  53. Arky

    So what have the baby boomers ever done for us?

    Apart from caring for children and grandchildren,

    producing the millennials!

    ..
    investing in education and training,

    By bloating out universities with politically correct academics and admin while loaning their idiot millennial children billions to complete shit “degrees”
    ..

    working hard and saving,

    for ocean cruises

    ..
    dealing with difficult economic times,

    by privatising the fuck out of everything
    ..

    serving their country in military service

    by fleeing to Canada and burning draft cards

    ..
    and contributing to communities, I guess the answer is — nothing.

    (nothing? We wish)

  54. cohenite

    I have a constitutional amendment that might help.
    “Parliaments shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances”

    Ok, you get it drafted up and I’ll load the weapons and we can then go down and put it to a few pollies.

  55. stackja

    Rebecca David, Leader
    Subscriber only

    November 26, 2019 6:00am

    TOP 10 BURGLARY RATES IN GREATER MELBOURNE 2018-19

    1. Braybrook, Braybrook North, Robinson – 3019 (postcode) – 1 in 39 homes

    2. Cardinia, Clyde, Clyde North – 3978 – 1 in 46

    3. Broadmeadows, Dallas, Jacana – 3047 – 1 in 52

    4. Beveridge – 3753 – 1 in 55

    5. Bellfield, Heidelberg Heights, Heidelberg West – 3081 – 1 in 56

    6. Fitzroy – 3065 – 1 in 57

    7. Collingwood, Collingwood North – 3066 – 1 in 58

    8. Ivanhoe, Ivanhoe East, Ivanhoe North – 3079 – 1 in 60

    9. Kuranjang, Melton, Melton West, Toolern Vale – 3337 – 1 in 60

    10. Brookfield, Exford, Eynesbury, Melton South – 1 in 60

    TOP 10 BURGLARY RATES IN VICTORIA 2018-19

    1. Dumbulk, Dumbalk North, Meeniyan, Middle Tarwin, Tarwin, Tarwin Lower, Venus Bay, Walkerville, Walkerville South – 3956 (postcode) – 1 in 33 homes

    2. Driffield, Hazelwood, Hazelwood North, Hazelwood South, Jeeralang, Jeeralang Junction, Maryvale, Morwell – 3840 – 1 in 33

    3. Airly, Seaspray, Montgomery, Darriman – 3851 – 1 in 38

    4. Braybrook, Braybrook North, Robinson – 3019 – 1 in 39

    5. Ardmona, Coomboona, Mooroopna, Mooroopna North, Undera – 3629 – 1 in 41

    6. Bamawm Extension, Echuca, Kanyapella, Patho, Rosylnmead, Wharparilla – 3564 – 1 in 42

    7. Cardinia, Clyde, Clyde North – 3978 – 1 in 46

    8. Mildura, Mildura West – 3500 – 1 in 47

    9. Branditt, Caniambo, Colliver, Dunkirk, Shepparton, Shepparton South – 3630 – 1 in 47

    10. Corio, Norlane, North Shore – 3214 – 1 in 47

  56. cohenite

    Well done, that man…..

    Sounds like comey whose allegiance was to a higher principle than what the voters wanted. Just up your alley troll.

  57. Juan

    Look at the polling within each seat taking into account whether or not a Brexit candidate is standing, not at national polls.

    On the ‘night’ of the Brexit vote I was watching Sunderland as a bellwether — it showed the swing was on.

    On the ‘night’ of 12 December I suggest keeping an eye on Dominic Raab’s constituency of Esher and Walton. Raab sits on a majority of over 23,000, so he’s unlikely to lose his seat, but if there’s a big swing against him it will be an ominous sign for other Leaver Tories standing in the Remainer South-East. The Conservative Party would have to pick up a swathe of Labour seats in the Midlands and the North to make up for those losses.

  58. Top Ender

    My rejected comment at the Oz on “is Bill Clinton going to be next for attention?” has been elevated to the dizzy heights of acceptance.

    Must be really annoying being the senior moderator there and having to come in and cuff SJW types around the ear for making basic mistakes.

  59. Geriatric Mayfly

    Sixty doctors having a punt. Here it only requires two, in cahoots with one another, to diagnose a fake illness from a distance of thousands of kilometres.

    Doctors Call For Wikileaks Founder Julian Assange to Get ‘Urgent’ Treatment in UK Hospital
    More than 60 doctors have written to British authorities asserting that WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange urgently needs medical treatment at a university hospital.

  60. Confused Old Misfit

    Hazmatic
    #3245049, posted on November 26, 2019 at 12:00 am

    BZ

  61. Shy Ted

    Terry was a nice bloke. I never met, him, but did attend a few functions he was at before he died.
    What Terry said – “Bob was at a few functions I was at. I avoided him like the plague.”

  62. mh

    I suspect Trump has not been around dogs too much, spending his time at work, living in luxury apartments or on the golf course.

    There was Stormy, of course.

  63. dover_beach

    Arky is right. It was under the boomers watch that we got child care industry. Sure, you might have some boomers doing their bit there but the expectation of out-of-home care for children was generated and established by boomers. The less said about education and training under the reign of the boomers the better. Our energy sector has been hobbled. And on and on.

  64. Confused Old Misfit

    Conan is a special operations military working dog in the United States 1st SFOD-D (Delta Force). He is a male Belgian Malinois and was named after Conan O’Brien due to his shaggy hair.[2]

    No, Trump has previously admitted is not a dog person.
    But he is still President of the USA.

  65. Top Ender

    And Trump’s reversal of idiotic military “justice” situations still stands.

    More Trumpening!

  66. classical_hero

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/birmingham-star-city-attack-machete-arrest-cinema-police-evacuation-a9215511.html
    Frozen 2 caused more violence at the cinema than ever was predicted by those screaming how dangerous the new Joker film would be. As a reaction to the violence they have stopped showing a movie about gang violence. Guess the make-up of the group.

  67. stackja

    The private is still angry.

  68. stackja

    Driver held up in ordeal

    A taxi driver was held up in an incident in Palmerston last night.
    RAPHAELLA SAROUKOS, NT News
    Subscriber only

    November 26, 2019 6:33am

    A TAXI driver was allegedly held at knifepoint by four youths in Moulden last night.

    Northern Watch Commander Marek Hutchinson-Goncz said the youths, indigenous in appearance, stole cash from the driver.

  69. Knuckle Dragger

    JFK was a Mick?

    ‘I couldn’t care less about what happens in the land of the shooting spree.’

  70. EvilElvis

    Sterling work by our beloved ALPBC and “house sized arse” Spicer.

    Of course Spicer’s show was crap but it’s all about settling in a narrative for this week. Timed impeccably with the court case of HandsOff-Bung v DL and it’s all you’ll get from the ABC all week.

  71. thefrollickingmole

    Dear Mr Numberwang.

    In order to prove you have been defamed I require you to show one days posting where you have failed to bring Vietnam or your hurty feelings over conscription up, often in completely random ways in the guise of “Im responding to someone else”.

    In the meantime I invite you to ram your head up a dead bears bum you monomaniac old loon.

    Weirdo.

  72. mh

    Conan Wikipedia

    Conan’s gender[edit]
    There were conflicting reports on Conan’s gender. Newsweek initially reported that the dog is female, but the magazine later issued a correction which said Conan is male. Dutch RTL Nieuws reported that Conan was trained by a company in Best, Netherlands before being transported to the United States. His former owner and trainer stated in an interview: “It is a five year old male. It is a very good dog.”[13] On November 25, 2019, a White House official said the dog is female before issuing a correction, saying Conan is in fact male.[1][14][15]

  73. Snoopy

    I wish someone would ask the media experts on the Westpac ‘scandal’ precisely what the bank’s failing was. I suspect none of them could explain it.

  74. johanna

    Numerous reports at the time said that Conan is a gurl. We’ve never had a good look at the relevant area to decide one way or the other.

    Hazy here today – bushfires?

    The admirable Jim Steele has a post up at WUWT about invasive foreign grasses and their role in making fires more frequent and more destructive, here.

  75. EvilElvis

    dealing with difficult economic times,

    by privatising the fuck out of everything

    #17percenters

  76. thefrollickingmole

    stackja

    Feraldton burg rates.
    About 1 in 12-13.

    Bro DO YOU EVEN BURG!!!

    And this is after the Police changed their reporting methods to lower the stats.
    (3 individuals one premises used to be recorded as 3 offences, Labor got in, and deliberately changed the recording method so it becomes one, voila, instant “reduction in crime”)

  77. Mother Lode

    And Trump’s reversal of idiotic military “justice” situations still stands.

    The ABC Banner was talking about Trump restoring the rank of the ‘convicted’ seal.

    Gives the impression that the major charges stuck. In fact all the major charges were dismissed and only minor charges remained – not serious enough to warrant the punishment, which even the Secretary of Navy had said.

    The NYT has an article about how the rest of the Navy and other SEALs will feel about this. The affinity between SEALs and the NYT surely speaks for itself.

    They really do not care a rats about anything except getting Trump. It isn’t just Bill Maher hoping for a recession (throwing thousands out of work) just to get Trump.

  78. stackja

    Once you could bank on the Wales. Then they got global and believed in Western Pacific.

  79. John Constantine

    Britain election update, alleged the communist party of China already has commenced voting, using the postal votes of the diaspora it controls.
    Not for Brexit.

    Of course, this would never happen in viktoria in support of One Belt, One Road, One Dan.

  80. Johno

    From what I have read,it seems to me that Westpacs’ “crime” is that they did not install some software that would have enabled Austrac to better surveil international transactions. The media have then taken all the transactions over the five year period and treated them all as being illegal. From what I can gather it relates to about a dozen transaction involving about $150K.

  81. Shy Ted

    Dear Bruce Pascoe, you missed a bit – One early observer, a certain Mrs Smith, wife of a Mt Gambier missionary, noted that welcomes don’t always end well: “The tribes, like most savage peoples, were in continual dread of each other; and although they occasionally met up on friendly terms to hold a murapena (corroboree), it usually eventuated in a fight, in which one or two were killed and afterwards eaten.”
    Prolly roasted with a honey glaze, side salad and a bottle or two of the local plonk.

  82. Top Ender

    Aboriginal call for police to follow lore of the land
    EXCLUSIVE/AMOS AIKMAN/The Australian print edition

    Police in the Northern Territory have been accused of repeatedly breaking Aboriginal law by mishandling sacred objects, barging into ceremonies and threatening to interrupt a funeral that was drowning out the sound of an offduty officer’s TV.

    A series of complaint letters obtained by The Australian also describes a man with a mental disability being restrained “like a rag doll” and police interfering with rituals and entering sacred sites without permission.

    The letters were sent by Yingiya Guyula, a traditional Yolngu leader who won election to the NT Legislative Assembly in 2016 in the hope of addressing widespread concern about the mainstream political system ignoring Aboriginal views.

    Mr Guyula, who is the NTLA’s only independent Aboriginal member, told The Australian on Monday that when police operations broke Yolngu law, they undercut community safety by provoking unrest and exposing traditional custodians to the risks of potentially brutal tribal punishment. “A sacred site is a site where Yolngu law, Yolngu parliament, is kept,” he said. “The sacred objects are the law of the land.”

    Mr Guyula will launch a motion to establish an opposition and independents-controlled parliamentary committee to scrutinise policing on Aboriginal land.

    The motion comes after police constable Zachary Rolfe allegedly murdered 19-year-old Kumanjayi Walker during a bungled arrest in Yuendumu on November 9.

    In another incident a few days later, members of a heavily armed tactical squad severely injured 23-year-old Farren Schaber, who had allegedly been seen wielding a knife.

    Mr Guyula said the police shooting of Kumanjayi Walker “caused great hurt, anger and distress … Unfortunately this tragic incident has brought into focus the type of policing issues Aboriginal people face on a daily basis in these communities.

    “This inquiry will look at the relationship between police and community members and how this can be improved to allow police to do their jobs more effectively and to allow communities to have confidence they are safe from harm and that community leaders will have a central role in maintaining order and peace.”

    Mr Guyula is now calling on behalf of his large Arnhem Land electorate for police to stop carrying firearms in the bush and for officers to exercise their powers only in consultation with local elders. In his view, the demands are a test of whether the Gunner Labor government’s commitments to local decision-making are genuine.

    “Police shouldn’t carry guns in remote communities,” Mr Guyula said. “Slowly, we want to give the power of policing back to Aboriginal communities. That means leaving elders in charge: if it (something) can be done through Yolngu law, it should be.”

    Upon his announcement last month as next NT Police Commissioner, Jamie Chalker, who was sworn in on November 11, spoke about improving relations with the bush. “I know out on the ground, many community members actually want to work with police,” he said.

    “Unfortunately, over the history, they’ve probably seen too many people come and take their family and relatives away.”

    Remote policing was “not just about locking people up” and the opportunities for better policing would come through “working with communities, allowing them to provide some of the solutions, getting some respect back from the traditional owners and the elders”.

    Since Kumanjayi Walker’s death, Commissioner Chalker has remained tight-lipped about exactly what he plans to do.

    Mr Guyula said police officers should avoid trying to execute arrest warrants and instead wait for elders to bring wanted people to them.

    “The elders will say, ‘Yes, we will get him for you, we will tell him’,” he said.

    “Sometimes, the elders will say, ‘He’s not quite ready now, but he will be available after we sit down with him at the camp.’ ”

    Aboriginal law did not condone things such as drug-taking, property crime or domestic violence, he said.

    In the hypothetical case of a suspicious death, Mr Guyula said police should work with elders to handle the body in keeping with ceremonial tradition, with a preference given to ceremonial rites over evidence gathering.

    Spokespeople for NT Police Minister Nicole Manison and the NT Police did not respond to questions.

  83. thefrollickingmole

    Johno
    This seems to be a trend.
    Our DMIRS (mines department) appears to have switched from “report stuff (particularly sampling) so we can pick up on trends” to “report stuff so when we prosecute you we dont have to do any work”.
    I may be being overly cynical but there seems to have been a creeping change in the way the DMIRS is going about its job.

    In effect they are switching from proactive risk management to a more passive role.
    All coincidental with them being rolled over into the department of commerce.

  84. feelthebern

    dozen transaction involving about $150K.

    Less than that.
    A couple of the transactions were less than a hundred bucks.

  85. johanna

    Predictions about UK elections are very difficult, because they use first past the post. You pretty much have to drill down into every electorate (they have about 650) to draw any conclusions. Whenever there are more than two candidates, the possibilities are endless. Quite often, the elected candidate got less votes than his/her combined opponents.

    It does seem that Boris will romp in, unbuttered parsnips notwithstanding.

  86. Cardimona

    G’day Cats

    Thanks for the kind thoughts; I’m still in recovery mode so not very productive with letters.
    Just one (small) result today – in the Cairns paper, so my ban must be lifted again.

    Answer the question
    BY now everyone knows that their electricity bills have doubled because of the government’s mandated rollout of renewables.
    This is being done to save the climate as advised by the settled science, which can predict temperatures in the far future with precision. So I want to know by exactly how much our doubled power bills have reduced the temperature.
    ScoMo, you’re a “conservative” PM; please answer this reasonable question. C’mon, I dare you.
    (Cardimona)

    While I haven’t previously reported my stoushes in the “text the editor” section of letters pages, I thought economic Cats might enjoy this attempt to make the term “Keynesian” an insult.

    The Morrison government’s stimulus plan will fail to improve the economy the way every stimulus before it has failed. The only way to improve an economy is to slash regulations, bureaucrats and the taxes that pay for them. More freedom equals more prosperity. That’s why migrants flow to Western countries and not back the other way.
    (Cardimona)

    (Cardimona) (CP, 23/11) slashing certain regulations might help, however the federal government has the fiscal power to stimulate the economy – ideally to the point of full productive capacity. People won’t spend unless they have money and households etc can only take on so much debt. Fed gov can never lack own currency and has different inherent constraints. Lower tax or higher gov spend, fed gov deficits are our surpluses.
    Michael

    Michael (CP, 25/11) thanks for the considered reply but sadly no government anywhere has spent its way to an economic recovery. Govts cannot spend other people’s money and get better value than if people spend it themselves. Some is always wasted on administration, unions, and other inefficiencies. Only Keynesian economists believe that govt spending can be an economic stimulant – but they’ve never provided a single valid example of it. Cutting regulations and taxes is the only proven method to improve an economy, as Trump has just shown. Household debt is the result of inflated property prices from excessive immigration, so govt’s fault.
    (Cardimona)

    The Cairns paper ran the first tranche of its “Most Influential” list yesterday – numbers 51 through to 41.
    Sadly, our local FNQ Excretion Retention agent of foreign influence wasn’t on it.
    So the next four days will be suspenseful as the rest of the list is released.
    Cross your fingers, Cats, that this dufus is on it, preferably at Number One Most Influential in FNQ.
    Sarah Chidgey is back from leave and ready to be unleashed.

  87. thefrollickingmole

    Corbyn (who will “win” the Pomgolian election) has hit on a sure fire winner.

    Jeremy Corbyn has defended his multibillion pound general election spending pledge on public services, arguing it would bring the UK into line with other industrial countries, including France and Germany.
    Because nothing generates enthusiasm for voting for a party in the UK more than saying “it will bring us into line with France & Germany”…

    Also you want squandermonkies, the UK has Squandergorillas.

    After the launch of the Conservative manifesto on Sunday it emerged that for every one pound Boris Johnson has committed to spending, Jeremy Corbyn would spend £28.

  88. Derp

    OTOH, Mike Pence is clearly a dog person. You can see how he keeps patting her, and she keeps looking at him. They like each other.

    I couldn’t watch anything else. He knew how to approach a dog too.
    There’s no other feeling that a good doggo bond.

  89. Snoopy

    police interfering with rituals and entering sacred sites without permission.

    Green dreaming circles and Centrelink pension day card games.

  90. Shy Ted

    Global warming forecast for first day of Summer 1s 19degC. Highest for the week is 25. Weather girls on all channels lost for words, being unable to use “unprecedented” and “record breaking” in their reports. The Winter coats they’re wearing are a bit of a giveaway.

  91. Rossini

    mh
    #3245231, posted on November 26, 2019 at 10:20 am

    Nice!

  92. He knew how to approach a dog too.

    With a rump steak in your jacket pocket.

  93. stackja

    Did WestPac ‘cobol’ together a reporting regime?

  94. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    “Sometimes, the elders will say, ‘He’s not quite ready now, but he will be available after we sit down with him at the camp.’ ”

    I’m waiting for the uproar when it emerges that the offender was just quietly taken into the bush and speared in the leg, in accordance with tribal law.

  95. Snoopy

    Sky News headline:

    Outgoing Westpac CEO was in ‘untenable’ position following child abuse revelations

    Maybe Hartzer should contact Mad Bob’s BIL?

  96. Tom

    While I haven’t previously reported my stoushes in the “text the editor” section of letters pages, I thought economic Cats might enjoy this attempt to make the term “Keynesian” an insult.

    Very entertaining, Cardimona. You’ve almost as much energy as the fat bastard in the White House.

  97. Bruce of Newcastle

    JFK was a Catholic.
    That was an issue back in the sixties.

    Numbers – Now also.

    The Democratic Cold War on Christianity Heating Up (25 Nov)

    Black and Hispanic Democrats tend to be far more religious than the white Democrats who are driving the party’s agenda. Will this alliance hold as the party increasingly kowtows to vocal anti-Christian Marxists? Will these voters start to defect as Democrats intensify their open war on people of faith?

    In the Democrat Party you must support killing babies in the womb. Soon it will be more than that. Today JFK would have no hope of any elective office in the Democrat Party.

  98. stackja

    In the hypothetical case of a suspicious death, Mr Guyula said police should work with elders to handle the body in keeping with ceremonial tradition, with a preference given to ceremonial rites over evidence gathering.

    Why does NT have a police force?

  99. thefrollickingmole

    Interesting.

    Plants could thrive in salty soils with seed coating technique, study shows

    Being able to grow lupins or similar in shitty salt affected soil would be pretty handy for a lot of farmers.

    Now Marelli and colleagues say they have tackled the problem by developing a novel type of coating to keep helpful bacteria in suspended animation until they reach the soil.

    Writing in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, the team report that they used microbes called rhizobacteria. These bacteria interact with legumes in a mutually beneficial arrangement: the bacteria trigger the growth of nodules on the plant’s roots, which they then colonise. The bacteria receive sugars from the plant, while turning nitrogen from the air into nutrients that the plant can use.

    The team report that they chose a type of rhizobacteria that is known to tolerate hot and salty conditions. They also incorporated silk and a sugar called trehalose into the seed coating.

  100. Confused Old Misfit

    JFK was a Catholic.
    That was an issue back in the sixties.

    Seems it still is whenever you mention Tony Abbott in a political context.

  101. Johno

    I have read a bit about this Westpac fiasco and I still can’t find the smoking gun. Any day is a good day to bash a bank and the MSM love a good day. The banks are a pack of protected pricks but they don’t deserve this pile on.
    The CEO just resigned and was given a handshake of $M2.7, the msm are hyperventilating.

    Mole, these pricks would love a law that made everyone report their every move. If you don’t comply, you go down. If you do they can spin your history,so basically you will be stuffed either way.

  102. Knuckle Dragger

    At the substantial risk of repeating what others have said over time:

    If the indig anywhere want whitey cop gone, that would be fine.

    As long as whitey Centrelink, whitey royalties, whitey medicine, housing, motor vehicles, electricity and clothes go with it.

    Until then, they can shut their traps.

  103. johanna

    Apparently, Aboriginal lawbreakers should be treated differently from anyone else. Just why is a question that the stenographers who call themselves journalists are too scared to ask.

    The authority of eders broke down a long time ago. They are just hoping for an external authority to give them a job, preferably paid. By taxpayers.

  104. cohenite

    Sarah Chidgey is back from leave and ready to be unleashed.

    That whole schmozzle and the cack cowardice of the conservatives personifies what is wrong with this back water. The cow should have been fired. But scomo with a margin of 1 has to juggle possum man, the chink spy, a few shits including the dud Wilson and sharma who meet regularly with the bastard bandt to save the world and a herd of cowards with hearts only measurable in the negative number universe and he is left with either doing something and having a mass rebellion and going to the polls or doing fuck all except by stealth.

  105. Top Ender

    Interesting story of how to completely wreck your life as a young person, and end up dead and unidentified.

    On October 27, 1987, Hans, Ursula, Mark and another friend Robert left on an adventure to Melbourne. Hans had stolen a car and drove the first leg as far as Yass. But when his mate Robert took over, he turned on the cruise control.

    In the early hours of the morning, and travelling at speed, the car veered into the path of a semitrailer.

    Mark would become a paraplegic due to the accident. Hans would go to prison for stealing the car, Robert for reckless driving causing death.

    Link

  106. Davey Boy

    The Victorian division of the Liberal Party has just held their State Council meeting. The following motion was put to the vote:

    “This State Council calls on the Federal Government to reaffirm its commitment to individual freedom and free enterprise, by withdrawing the Currency Restrictions on the use of Cash Bill 2019.”

    95% of those present – around 400 delegates representing the 10,000 members of the Liberal Party in Victoria – supported the motion i.e. there was the overwhelming view that the Cash Ban law should be scrapped.

    However I can’t see the federal SFLs (Frydenberg, Sukkar) taking any notice of the Vic SFLs (who would??). Restricting the use of cash will take us one step closer to enabling negative interest rates.

    This has not been reported by any mainstream media outlet.

  107. thefrollickingmole

    The little prang yesterday ended up involving a suspected spinal and RFDS evac at 1:00 in the morning.

    The good news being despite travelling at 110kph on a gravel road, swerving to avoiding an oncoming car on the crest of a hill, snaking over the road for about 50+ m then launching the car another 30+m and end-for-ending the thing 3 times both the people involved may have got away without too much damage.

    Our evacuated lady ended up at a major regional hospital, not all the way through to Perth so her back damage shouldnt be life changing or they would have ferried her on.

    Also, the worlds best truth drug is a morphine/methoxy combo, I now know far more than I ever wanted to know about her sex life, none of which will ever be spoken of again and Im fairly sure she wont remember anyway.

    RFDS do a great job, and the docs on the phone are great supporters of medics/nurses who would otherwise struggle with some situations.
    As dodgy as it sounds i love days like that, its not that i want people to get injured, but id like to be there when they are…

  108. Juan

    Today JFK would have no hope of any elective office in the Democrat Party.

    Nor would Reagan in today’s Republican Party, having signed California’s Therapeutic Abortion Act into law as the State’s Governor.

    On abortion, there was actually broad consensus in the United States until the mid-1970s when Governor Reagan signed that bill. Just look at the Southern Baptist Convention’s resolutions on the issue passed in 1971 and 1974:

    Resolution On Abortion, adopted at the SBC convention, June 1971:

    WHEREAS, Christians in the American society today are faced with difficult decisions about abortion; and
    WHEREAS, Some advocate that there be no abortion legislation, thus making the decision a purely private matter between a woman and her doctor; and
    WHEREAS, Others advocate no legal abortion, or would permit abortion only if the life of the mother is threatened;
    Therefore, be it RESOLVED, that this Convention express the belief that society has a responsibility to affirm through the laws of the state a high view of the sanctity of human life, including fetal life, in order to protect those who cannot protect themselves; and
    Be it further RESOLVED, That we call upon Southern Baptists to work for legislation that will allow the possibility of abortion under such conditions as rape, incest, clear evidence of severe fetal deformity, and carefully ascertained evidence of the likelihood of damage to the emotional, mental, and physical health of the mother

    Resolution On Abortion And Sanctity Of Human Life, adopted at the SBC convention, June 1974:

    WHEREAS, Southern Baptists have historically held a high view of the sanctity of human life, and
    WHEREAS, The messengers to the Southern Baptist Convention meeting in St. Louis in 1971 adopted overwhelmingly a resolution on abortion, and
    WHEREAS, That resolution reflected a middle ground between the extreme of abortion on demand and the opposite extreme of all abortion as murder, and
    WHEREAS, That resolution dealt responsibly from a Christian perspective with complexities of abortion problems in contemporary society;
    Therefore, be it RESOLVED, that we reaffirm the resolution on the subject adopted by the messengers to the St. Louis Southern Baptist Convention meeting in 1971, and
    Be it further RESOLVED, that we continue to seek God’s guidance through prayer and study in order to bring about solutions to continuing abortion problems in our society.

    A more detailed review of the Baptists’ position at the time can be found here, written by a pro-life pastor who adds “Reading these documents made me so grateful for the Conservative Resurgence in the SBC.”

  109. I see the ABC is pursuing the “bad US that bombed nice Japan” line, again.

    Manila Civilian murders – ~100,000
    Luzon – ~200,000 JP kia , 10,000 US kia, Filipino civilians and troops ~130,000
    Saipan casualties – US 14,000 (3,400 kia), JP 29,000 (24,000 kia), civilians 22,000 (incl. 7,000 suicides)
    Then there is Iwo Jima, Okinawa and we don’t mention the frightful numbers in the genocide across SE Asia.

  110. Juan

    Today JFK would have no hope of any elective office in the Democrat Party.

    Nor would Reagan in today’s Republican Party, having signed California’s Therapeutic ab0rtion Act into law as the State’s Governor.

    On ab0rtion, there was actually broad consensus in the United States until the mid-1970s when Governor Reagan signed that bill. Just look at the Southern Baptist Convention’s resolutions on the issue passed in 1971 and 1974:

    Resolution On ab0rtion, adopted at the SBC convention, June 1971:

    WHEREAS, Christians in the American society today are faced with difficult decisions about ab0rtion; and
    WHEREAS, Some advocate that there be no ab0rtion legislation, thus making the decision a purely private matter between a woman and her doctor; and
    WHEREAS, Others advocate no legal ab0rtion, or would permit ab0rtion only if the life of the mother is threatened;
    Therefore, be it RESOLVED, that this Convention express the belief that society has a responsibility to affirm through the laws of the state a high view of the sanctity of human life, including fetal life, in order to protect those who cannot protect themselves; and
    Be it further RESOLVED, That we call upon Southern Baptists to work for legislation that will allow the possibility of ab0rtion under such conditions as rape, incest, clear evidence of severe fetal deformity, and carefully ascertained evidence of the likelihood of damage to the emotional, mental, and physical health of the mother

    Resolution On ab0rtion And Sanctity Of Human Life, adopted at the SBC convention, June 1974:

    WHEREAS, Southern Baptists have historically held a high view of the sanctity of human life, and
    WHEREAS, The messengers to the Southern Baptist Convention meeting in St. Louis in 1971 adopted overwhelmingly a resolution on ab0rtion, and
    WHEREAS, That resolution reflected a middle ground between the extreme of ab0rtion on demand and the opposite extreme of all ab0rtion as murder, and
    WHEREAS, That resolution dealt responsibly from a Christian perspective with complexities of ab0rtion problems in contemporary society;
    Therefore, be it RESOLVED, that we reaffirm the resolution on the subject adopted by the messengers to the St. Louis Southern Baptist Convention meeting in 1971, and
    Be it further RESOLVED, that we continue to seek God’s guidance through prayer and study in order to bring about solutions to continuing ab0rtion problems in our society.

    A more detailed review of the Baptists’ position at the time can be found here, written by a pro-life pastor who adds “Reading these documents made me so grateful for the Conservative Resurgence in the SBC.”

  111. areff

    Via Instapundit, a fascinating article on Chinese companies and factories sensing things are going downhill in the Middle Kingdom and making the quite logical decision to steal as much as possible before everything goes absolutely to hell.

    https://www.chinalawblog.com/2019/11/how-to-conduct-business-with-chinese-companies-that-see-a-dark-future.html

    A good, smart government in Canberra would be doing everything it can to reposition exports and trading partners before China implodes. It would also put a little backbone into protests about Australian citizens being held without trial, spies, Confucius institutes, Hong Kong, concentration camps etc

    Yes, a good government would do that. But we don’t have one.

  112. Juan

    Today JFK would have no hope of any elective office in the Democrat Party.

    Nor would Reagan in today’s Republican Party, having signed California’s Therapeutic Abortion Act into law as the State’s Governor.

  113. Bruce of Newcastle

    I have read a bit about this Westpac fiasco and I still can’t find the smoking gun.

    It’s the one that Hartzer was shot with.

    Westpac CEO Hartzer Resigns Amid Money-Laundering Scandal (today)

    How dare he defy the deep staters of ASIC, AUSTRAC, APRA and the ABC. They must have his head on a platter! And that’s what they now have.

  114. Roger

    How dare he defy the deep staters of ASIC, AUSTRAC, APRA and the ABC. They must have his head on a platter!

    More likely to be Westpac’s institutional investors who demanded his head on a platter.

  115. Juan

    In fairness to Reagan, there was actually broad consensus on abortion in the United States until the mid-1970s when Governor Reagan signed that bill. Just look at the Southern Baptist Convention’s resolutions on the issue passed in 1971 and 1974:

    Resolution On abortion, adopted at the SBC convention, June 1971:

    WHEREAS, Christians in the American society today are faced with difficult decisions about abortion; and
    WHEREAS, Some advocate that there be no abortion legislation, thus making the decision a purely private matter between a woman and her doctor; and
    WHEREAS, Others advocate no legal abortion, or would permit abortion only if the life of the mother is threatened;
    Therefore, be it RESOLVED, that this Convention express the belief that society has a responsibility to affirm through the laws of the state a high view of the sanctity of human life, including fetal life, in order to protect those who cannot protect themselves; and
    Be it further RESOLVED, That we call upon Southern Baptists to work for legislation that will allow the possibility of abortion under such conditions as rape, incest, clear evidence of severe fetal deformity, and carefully ascertained evidence of the likelihood of damage to the emotional, mental, and physical health of the mother

    Resolution On abortion And Sanctity Of Human Life, adopted at the SBC convention, June 1974:

    WHEREAS, Southern Baptists have historically held a high view of the sanctity of human life, and
    WHEREAS, The messengers to the Southern Baptist Convention meeting in St. Louis in 1971 adopted overwhelmingly a resolution on abortion, and
    WHEREAS, That resolution reflected a middle ground between the extreme of abortion on demand and the opposite extreme of all abortion as murder, and
    WHEREAS, That resolution dealt responsibly from a Christian perspective with complexities of abortion problems in contemporary society;
    Therefore, be it RESOLVED, that we reaffirm the resolution on the subject adopted by the messengers to the St. Louis Southern Baptist Convention meeting in 1971, and
    Be it further RESOLVED, that we continue to seek God’s guidance through prayer and study in order to bring about solutions to continuing abortion problems in our society.

    A more detailed review of the Baptists’ position at the time can be found here, written by a pro-life pastor who adds “Reading these documents made me so grateful for the Conservative Resurgence in the SBC.”

  116. Bruce of Newcastle

    Nor would Reagan in today’s Republican Party, having signed California’s Therapeutic Abortion Act into law as the State’s Governor.

    Rubbish.
    There’re still plenty of RINOs in the herd.
    They are scared of Trump but.
    Good.

  117. johanna

    Just finished watching the Countdown live special.

    What struck me was how unflattering a lot of those clips were. I saw The Church live several times in the 80s, and they were much better than in this sanitised clip.

    Grumble, grumble. Anyway I heard the Screaming Jets.

  118. Top Ender

    Three Letters to the Editor in the Oz on Dark Emu etc etc

    Ascertaining the truth about indigenous Australians is of paramount importance, but as Chris Kenny (“Truth is at the heart of an indigenous voice”, 23/11) articulates so lucidly, the truth is usually complex, even difficult to perceive and know.

    That Indigenous Australians Minister Ken Wyatt accepts that Bruce Pascoe is indigenous obfuscates any attempt to identify the truth. Furthermore, indigenous people can be infused with opposing opinions about not just a voice but how to implement and create that voice.

    Perhaps understanding a concept of truth as determined by diversity of thought and belief instead of believing it to be absolute may contribute more to achieving recognition and reconciliation for indigenous people.

    Moreover, truth can change in the perspective in which we view it over the years and appreciating that as a reality could be more advantageous than deciding on a simple definition.

    Paulyne Pogorelske, Melbourne, Vic

    After reading Chris Kenny’s rather enlightening piece and listening to a range of opinions on the writings of Bruce Pascoe and his claim to indigenous heritage, I suggest a simple and accurate way to settle this issue.

    There is an online DNA test that anyone can access. It requires a small sample. It takes about six weeks to receive an accurate outline of your origins, going back many years.

    Peter Steele, Brisbane, Qld

    Remember Bill Shorten’s statement during the prime ministership of Julia Gillard that he hadn’t actually heard what his leader had said, but he agreed with every word she had uttered? Similarly, Indigenous Australians Minister Ken Wyatt says, in reference to author Bruce Pascoe’s, questionable Aboriginal heritage: “If Bruce tells me he’s indigenous then I know that he’s indigenous.” Faith is a most wonderful quality, but it will never supplant truth as the ultimate determinant of historical veracity.

    Pascoe, renowned author of Aboriginal history, as he perceives it, is being acknowledged by leftists as a seer. His novel Dark Emu is being turned into a documentary and his spurious historical claims are being promoted in our classrooms as unquestionable historical reality.

    Despite critical analysis by prominent critics, any analysis or debate is being attacked by zealots as attempts to diminish Aboriginal culture.

    With Pascoe’s consistent refusal to explain his claimed genealogy, or to actually cite the 19th century references, “colonial journals”, that form the basis of his claims, we must accept on faith, just as our forebears 500 years ago put their blind faith in the accepted fact that the planet was flat.

    What happened to scientific inquiry, to informed questioning and logical debate?

    Lyle Geyer, Essendon, Vic

  119. Juan

    Apologies for any repeated posts. I thought the earlier ones got moderated. #CatallaxyLyf

  120. before China implodes

    Let’s have a look at what happened in the past (i.e. unadjusted history) when a totalitarian state’s economy goes to sh1t.
    Did they use their military muscle to acquire stuff on their way down?

  121. PeterM

    Do you have a point to make Juan?

  122. thefrollickingmole

    Juan

    There is a world of difference in what he signed and “abortion, all the time, for any reason, at any stage of the trimester & sell the body parts” industry in the US now.

    If that law had been the end of it the opposition to abortion would be magnitudes smaller than it otherwise is.
    That we call upon Southern Baptists to work for legislation that will allow the possibility of ab0rtion under such conditions as Pape, incest, clear evidence of severe fetal deformity, and carefully ascertained evidence of the likelihood of damage to the emotional, mental, and physical health of the mother

    But instead we end up with Kermit Gosnell and fetal body parts for sale.

  123. Roger

    A good, smart government in Canberra would be doing everything it can to reposition exports and trading partners before China implodes. It would also put a little backbone into protests about Australian citizens being held without trial, spies, Confucius institutes, Hong Kong, concentration camps etc

    Australia is a lucky country run mainly by second rate people who share its luck. It lives on other people’s ideas, and, although its ordinary people are adaptable, most of its leaders (in all fields) so lack curiosity about the events that surround them that they are often taken by surprise.

    Donald Horne, The Lucky Country, 1964.

    It never gets old because our leaders – two generations later – are still living up to it.

  124. Bruce of Newcastle

    Juan – The Southern Baptist Convention has suffered the usual O’Sullivan’s Law fate.

    My response is from some guy:

    30 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’ 31 The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no commandment greater than these.”

    The baby in your womb is your closest possible neighbour.

    I admit I am male so that doesn’t affect me, notwithstanding lefty doctrine that men can be pregnant.

  125. Snoopy

    Interesting fact. Donald Horne had a brother named Richard.

  126. zyconoclast

    BloJo doing a great job. So much better than May.

    Four boats carrying 39 migrants arrived in Dover within three hours of each other as total to make it to Britain’s shores soars to 129 this month
    The migrants said they were Iranians when they arrived near Dover on Sunday
    Officials were first alerted to a vessel carrying nine people at 4.30am
    Other boats were then spotted trying to cross the Channel up until 7.30am

  127. Bruce of Newcastle

    That Indigenous Australians Minister Ken Wyatt accepts that Bruce Pascoe is indigenous obfuscates any attempt to identify the truth.

    BRUCE PASCOE A YUIN MAN? YUIN PEOPLE SURPRISED (Bolta’s blog, 25 Nov, paywalled)

    The ABC is promoting “Aboriginal historian” Bruce Pascoe and his wild claims that Aborigines were actually farmers living in towns. Pascoe says he’s a Yuin man, but this surprises Yuin people like the family of lawyer Josephine Cashman.

    Are yuin or are yuout Bruce?

  128. Top Ender

    incoherent rambler…I see the ABC is pursuing the “bad US that bombed nice Japan” line, again.

    Do you have a link for that IR?

    I have a book coming out on the A-Bombings next year and might be able to get another reference into the area that highlights modern revisionism.

  129. thefrollickingmole

    Juan

    The R word is a moderated one, the Pape word (replace the p with an r) theres a number of others that get you Insincterated.

  130. dover_beach

    Quite often, the elected candidate got less votes than his/her combined opponents.

    This is a feature not a bug. I used to be quite averse to ‘first past the post’ but have come to think it is the better method overall.

  131. thefrollickingmole

    Snoopy

    The high school days must have just flown by for Dicky Horne…

  132. Goanna

    stackja
    #3245139, posted on November 26, 2019 at 8:15 am
    The Great Storm of 1703 was a destructive extratropical cyclone that struck central and southern England on 26 November 1703 (7 December 1703 in the Gregorian calendar in use today). High winds caused 2,000 chimney stacks to collapse in London and damaged the New Forest, which lost 4,000 oaks.

    AGW in 1703!

    1703 was in the middle of the Maunder Minimum.

    In the past, these grand solar minimums were referred to as ‘bad weather eras’

  133. Rossini

    Snoopy
    #3245341, posted on November 26, 2019 at 12:22 pm

    Don’t be such a dick!

  134. OTOH, Mike Pence is clearly a dog person. You can see how he keeps patting her, and she keeps looking at him. They like each other.

    Lapdog solidarity.

  135. Mother Lode

    Perhaps understanding a concept of truth as determined by diversity of thought and belief instead of believing it to be absolute may contribute more to achieving recognition and reconciliation for indigenous people.

    Perhaps understanding that ‘truth’ and ‘being true’ are cover different areas.

    The former is an abstraction related to belief and experience. Being true (as in whether there ever was an Aboriginal society with advanced technologies, infrastructure, laws etc) is not some shimmering phantasm that emerges into view as through an unseen fog and then recedes again.

    Does this person really believe that someone can stick their hand into a fire and it won’t get burnt because they don’t knot fire burns?

  136. Bruce of Newcastle

    Also, the worlds best truth drug is a morphine/methoxy combo, I now know far more than I ever wanted to know about her sex life

    Mole – LOL. I love chemistry!
    Once, completely unaffected by chemicals having just left work, I ended up in the ditch on a gravel road whilst travelling at the awesome speed of 60 kph. It was like trying to drive on ball bearings. Lesson has stayed with me ever since.
    Good to hear they survived it.

  137. Snoopy

    The high school days must have just flown by for Dicky Horne…

    His nickname was Big Dick.

  138. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    China says alleged plot to groom Nick Zhao to infiltrate Australian Parliament ‘nothing but lies’
    China says some Australian politicians have reached “a state of hysteria” and “extreme nervousness” following reports Beijing tried to plant a spy in the Federal Parliament.

  139. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no commandment greater than these.”
    The baby in your womb is your closest possible neighbour.

    True.
    And when they are born and grow up and if they bring you grief you still love them with all your heart.

  140. TE news/2019-11-24/trauma-of-japans-catholic-atomic-bomb-survivors-pope-visit/11703542

  141. Juan

    There is a world of difference in what he signed

    Agreed, but my point was Ronald Reagan, and Protestants and evangelicals generally, occupied the middle ground back then. Only the US Catholics opposed abortion in all circumstances.

    Both sides have moved to the extremes on this issue, and no one occupying that middle ground could make it onto the Republican ticket these days.

    That said, I think a lot of Republicans say what the base wants to hear about wanting to end legal abortions while not actually doing anything to achieve that aim. I have a feeling many of the State laws passed by Republican-controlled State legislatures and signed by Republican Governors were designed to be overturned by the Roberts’ Supreme Court. Think of all the ‘Obamacare repeals’ the Republican House passed when they knew none would ever become law. This way they can say they tried, blame the Supreme Court, oh and elect a Republican President and Senate to appoint more pro-life judges.

    It’s most unlikely the Supreme Court will ever reverse itself on Roe but if it did that would be a massive headache for Republicans at the State level who would have to decide if they actually want to ban all abortions in all circumstances. Talking about it, and actually banning abortions are two different things. Just ask Tennessee Republican Rep. Scott Desjarlais.

  142. thefrollickingmole

    Bruce of Newcastle

    Had a nasty fatality like that, driver went round a bend and hit a patch of pea gravel and flipped the car.

    When the police attended they came in the same direction and lost control on the same patch, ended up skidding to halt about 10m in front of us (we were still trying to resus the bloke in the middle of the road) after fishtailing and regaining control.

    Always wear your seatbelt on gravel, its bastard stuff.

  143. jupes

    Three Letters to the Editor in the Oz on Dark Emu etc etc

    It’s fine to focus on whether Pascoe is an Abo or not but it’s not the main point.

    The main focus should be the utter bullshit he is peddling. Shame on any education department that poisons kid’s minds with that crap.

  144. John Constantine

    unusual to see jet streams and polar jet streams so far north for this time of the year across the southern hemisphere that is all thanks to the warm air developing over Antarctica late August early September which is taken months to filter down to the surface.

    We are expecting some rain for Victoria and Tasmania, local hail and thunder and some models have snow of 2 to 3 feet through the central highlands of Tasmania!! And 15-35 cms across the highlands of Victoria and NSW.

    It may be the coldest December start for decades across the lower south east.

  145. Bruce of Newcastle

    Lapdog solidarity.

    M0nty – A man who has a rule never to be in a room with a woman unless accompanied by his wife is unlikely to ever be a poodle.

  146. 12C hail, rain and cold wind.

    A Global Warming day here.

  147. thefrollickingmole

    Juan

    Failure theater is the norm on “difficult” issues.

    But only one “side” has been massively expanding it from “safe , legal, rare” to “anytime, anywhere, any reason, any trimester”.

    Most people are revolted by the idea of late term abortion of apparently healthy fetus.
    But the pro-fanatics keep pushing for later and later terms, so of course you end up polarizing people.
    (similar with “no abortion, any time”)

  148. and some models have snow of 2 to 3 feet

    For the good old days when we actually measured stuff.

  149. Bruce of Newcastle

    unusual to see jet streams and polar jet streams so far north for this time of the year

    …since the last solar minimum.

    Humans can’t seem to recall stuff that happened even 9 years ago.

    ‘Blocked’ jetstream to blame for freak weather in Russia and Pakistan, say scientists (2010)

    Low solar activity link to cold UK winters (2010)

  150. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    It’s fine to focus on whether Pascoe is an Abo or not but it’s not the main point.

    It may not be the main point, but I’ve seen a couple of examples of the contempt, poured on those claiming Aboriginal ancestry which they don’t have, by those who have said ancestry….

  151. mh

    stackja
    #3245139, posted on November 26, 2019 at 8:15 am
    The Great Storm of 1703 was a destructive extratropical cyclone that struck central and southern England on 26 November 1703 (7 December 1703 in the Gregorian calendar in use today). High winds caused 2,000 chimney stacks to collapse in London and damaged the New Forest, which lost 4,000 oaks.

    AGW in 1703!

    Sounds like a similiar storm to the one that hit SE England in 1987. Forecasters saw nothing unusual.

  152. Lapdog solidarity.

    +1
    Although most lapdogs have more personality.

  153. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Big thunderstorm coming in over South Head to Vaucluse, lots of noise and lightning but not much rain. Oh, here comes the rain now. Still more wind than water though.

  154. thefrollickingmole

    Reminder.
    Numberwang doesnt care about the USA.
    Thats why he occasionally interrupts his monomania to always make negative comments about the place & people.

    Dont be like Numberwang
    Just dont.

  155. Johno

    HaHaHaHa. Sniffy said personality.

    HeHeHeHe!!!!!!!!

  156. jupes

    It may not be the main point, but I’ve seen a couple of examples of the contempt, poured on those claiming Aboriginal ancestry which they don’t have, by those who have said ancestry….

    Yeah but we know how this works. If it turns out that he does have even the slightest bit of Abo in him, then he will be vindicated and there will be less enthusiasm to look at his lying “history” books.

  157. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    How the state runs business in China
    Much of modern China’s epic growth was driven by private enterprise – but under Xi Jinping, the Communist party has returned to being the ultimate authority in business as well as politics

  158. Snoopy

    Helen Dale must regret not adopting an Aboriginal persona. She would still be winning taxpayer-funded literary prizes and enjoying tongue-baths on TheirRN.

  159. Mother Lode

    Big thunderstorm coming in over South Head to Vaucluse, lots of noise and lightning but not much rain. Oh, here comes the rain now. Still more wind than water though.

    Storm hit North Sydney about 10 minutes ago. A split second from just cloudy and rumbling to rain coming down in sheets*.

    All over within a minute.

    *A warning to anyone who has washing on the line.

  160. Top Ender

    Help Amazon in their Dark Emu work. Reviews here:

    A sample: Fascinating read. Did you know that the first bakers were indigenous Australian, about 30,000 years ago, beating the Egyptians by about 15,000 years?

    and

    This well researched book shows that we were incorrectly taught and that our first peoples were much more advanced than they have been given credit for. They were farmers with a much better understanding of our land than the Europeans that displaced them.

  161. Des Deskperson

    ‘Sarah Chidgey is back from leave and ready to be unleashed.”

    I don’t know she was on leave.

    November is an odd time for a Dep Sec in any agency to be taking leave, let alone in a key central agency like AGs, what with Senate Estimates Committees meeting, stuff to get through Parliament before it rises and the general pressure to clear things up before the Christmas break.

    I wonder if it was recreation leave or personal leave.

    As I’ve posted before, it is very hard to sack a Dep Sec.

  162. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Claremont serial killings: vital DNA evidence sat on a shelf for 12 years

    Paul Garvey
    Senior Reporter
    @PDGarvey
    2 hours ago November 26, 2019

    The DNA samples that prosecutors say could prove that Bradley Robert Edwards is the Claremont serial killer sat on a shelf in a Perth laboratory, unopened and unexamined, for 12 years.

    The Supreme Court of Western Australia heard on Monday that forensic experts took samples from each of Ciara Glennon’s fingernails after the 27-year-old lawyer’s body was discovered in bush north of Perth in 1996.

    Prosecutor Carmel Barbagallo SC detailed how Glennon, whom she alleges is the third of three women murdered by Edwards in 1996 and 1997 — had relatively long, well-manicured fingernails. Two, however, were damaged — both her left thumbnail and the nail on her right ring finger had been broken.

    Ms Barbagallo noted that the damage made it difficult for experts to take samples, and only a small amount of debris was collected.

    Those samples, catalogued as AJM-40 and AJM-48, would instead sit on a shelf in dry storage at the PathWest laboratory, in yellow-topped containers marked as ‘debris only, not for analysis’, for more than a decade.

    Multiple attempts were made to test the other fingernails of Glennon, but only her own DNA was ever recovered from those tests.

    It was not until 2008, when those two remaining samples were part of a package sent to the UK’s Forensic Science Services, that the breakthrough was made.

    FSS had new, more sensitive method for processing samples, known as LCM, and was able to determine the presence of DNA from an unknown male in those two samples.

    But so clear was the reading that one of the forensic experts said that the LCM testing may not have been required at all.

    Ms Barbagallo said any suggestion from Edwards’s defence team that the samples has somehow been contaminated with DNA from other samples taken from Edwards’s 1995 rope victim was a “fantasy”, noting that if that was the case then the r0pe victim’s DNA would have also shown up in the tests.

    “DNA does not just fly around a laboratory,” she said.

    From the Oz.

  163. Juan

    Juan – The Southern Baptist Convention has suffered the usual O’Sullivan’s Law fate.

    I don’t see this, prior to 1976, as a left-right issue.

    The Protestants broke with the Catholics on the issue of birth control, officially, in the 1930s – at least when used as a family planning tool by man-woman couples married in the eyes of God. A number of States restricted birth control to married couples only – obviously unmarried people didn’t have sex!

    Once Protestants decided humans – not God – should decide the size of their families it’s a very simple and logical progression to a position which held married couples, in instances where contraception failed, and when an unplanned pregnancy results, should be free to terminate the pregnancy when it is not even at the foetus stage, but the embryo stage.

    What I’ve written above is I think a fair assessment of how the SBC got to the position of supporting limited abortion rights – once you take the first step, the second follows as a matter of course – there’s nothing right wing or left wing about it unless the sanctioning of contraception was the result of a left wing plot within the churches I’m not aware of.

  164. thefrollickingmole

    Might seem a odd thing to say, but good on Ciara Glennon managing to take enough skin off the turd who killed her for evidence.

  165. Geriatric Mayfly

    The cashless credit card as doled out to the Natives is under scrutiny in the House. Sob stories a plenty from the Opposition. Perhaps Pascoe, so versed in figments, could tell us what they used before 1788 to gain access to basics and essentials.

  166. Zippy:

    I gave up on the sixty minutes video, zippy. There was about five minutes of actual information and fifty-five of padding, and that’s being kind. Those presenters are so far up themselves they are unendurable. And they are half-witted, if that.

    Me too. After the first minute of the breathless Investigative Reporter crap as well as the I Want To Be a Movie Maker, I gave it away as a joke.

  167. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    I have a book coming out on the A-Bombings next year and might be able to get another reference into the area that highlights modern revisionism.

    TE – have you read this piece? Guaranteed to get the blood boiling.

    https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/08/09/hiroshima-remembering-the-white-mans-bomb/

  168. Top Ender

    Meanwhile in the socialist Utopia of Victoria:

    Public sector bosses will have to work towards gender equality targets set with a new state government commissioner or face being sent to court, under legislation to be introduced in the Victorian parliament by the Andrews government today.

    The legislation will see the establishment of a public sector gender equality commissioner, who will work with departments and agencies to develop a range of targets around issues such as equal pay, sexual harassment and career progression practices.

    It will cover all public sector bodies with 50 or more employees, taking in approximately 300 entities and applying to about 380,000 Victorian workers.

    Link

    One wonders what will happen where females are grossly over-represented. Such as in teaching, which sees about 75-25% female to male imbalances now. .

    https://theconversation.com/male-teachers-are-an-endangered-species-in-australia-new-research-83464

  169. Juan

    Juan – The Southern Baptist Convention has suffered the usual O’Sullivan’s Law fate.

    I don’t see this, prior to 1976, as a left-right issue.

    The Protestants broke with the Catholics on the issue of birth control, officially, in the 1930s – at least when used as a family planning tool by man-woman couples married in the eyes of God. A number of States restricted birth control to married couples only – obviously unmarried people didn’t have sex!

    Once Protestants decided humans – not God – should decide the size of their families it’s a very simple and logical progression to a position which held married couples, in instances where contraception failed, and when an unplanned pregnancy results, should be free to terminate the pregnancy when it is not even at the foetus stage, but the embryo stage.

    What I’ve written above is I think a fair assessment of how the SBC got to the position of supporting limited abortion rights – once you take the first step, the second follows as a matter of course – there’s nothing right wing or left wing about it unless the sanctioning of contraception can be attributed to a left wing plot within the churches I’m not aware of.

  170. Bruce of Newcastle

    Public sector bosses will have to work towards gender equality targets set with a new state government commissioner or face being sent to court

    We need a report of the numbers of public servants vs which of the 150 genders they identify with.
    We must make sure all 150 are equally represented!

  171. feelthebern

    PVO has co-authored a piece in the Oz about Westpac under the banner EXCLUSIVE.
    One, it’s not very exclusive.
    Two, he fails to mention Mrs PVO was senior employee of Westpac during some of the period that the AUSTRAC issues took place.
    Seriously, does he think no one remembers this?

  172. feelthebern

    HTF do the Oz editors operate?

  173. dover_beach

    Agreed, but my point was Ronald Reagan, and Protestants and evangelicals generally, occupied the middle ground back then. Only the US Catholics opposed abortion in all circumstances.

    Both sides have moved to the extremes on this issue, and no one occupying that middle ground could make it onto the Republican ticket these days.

    What is so good about the ‘middle ground’ here? What is ‘extreme’ about a principled position on a moral issue? Even the position you countenanced as representing the ‘middle ground’ was in fact a pole in the debate at the time. And the SBC reversed its pro-choice position during the Reagan era.

  174. Knuckle Dragger

    Six days left in the Shit Towns of Australia prelim final.

    Tennant Creek 42%. Logan 58%.

    Toowoomba 93.1%.

  175. feelthebern

    Agreed, but my point was Ronald Reagan, and Protestants and evangelicals generally, occupied the middle ground back then. Only the US Catholics opposed abortion in all circumstances.

    US voting blocks are better described as rich v poor, metro v rural, north v south, government v self-employed.
    Always have been, always will be.

  176. DrBeauGan

    What is so good about the ‘middle ground’ here? What is ‘extreme’ about a principled position on a moral issue? Even the position you countenanced as representing the ‘middle ground’ was in fact a pole in the debate at the time. And the SBC reversed its pro-choice position during the Reagan era.

    Neither the Catholic church position nor the feminist position on abortion are moral positions. Both are dogmatic. I suppose that if you believe morality is about following rules you might be confused about this. On the other hand, if you believe morality is about following your conscience, then you’d be more tolerant of the middle ground.

  177. Arky

    . On the other hand, if you believe morality is about following your conscience,

    ..
    What is this conscience thingo you speak of, and where does it come from?

  178. if you believe morality is about following your conscience

    Methinks differently bogey.
    These days people don’t kill anything, themselves.
    Somebody else slaughters the cattle, sheep and chooks, somebody else fights your wars.
    Kill, terminate, cull, decaffeinate are just words.

    If those in favour of culling had to work a shift once a year in the slice up living things business, I suspect their outlook would change.

  179. Boris G:

    To balance this out, Poland was Hitler’s best friend until he invaded. They even partook in the division of chechoslovakia

    IIRC, Poland and Germany had a defense treaty – one of Hitlers first diplomatic successes.

  180. Cardimona

    I don’t know she was on leave.

    Fair point, Des.
    This is the autoreply I received…

    I am out of the office returning Wednesday 20 November.

    In my absence, please contact Sue Robertson, A/g Deputy Secretary, or my office on (02) 6141 4130.

    Regards,
    Sarah

    It’s the one we all used in my former field when we went on personal leave, so I assumed it was personal leave.
    My bad.
    Have you heard what she was actually doing?

  181. dover_beach

    Neither the Catholic church position nor the feminist position on abortion are moral positions. Both are dogmatic. I suppose that if you believe morality is about following rules you might be confused about this. On the other hand, if you believe morality is about following your conscience, then you’d be more tolerant of the middle ground.

    None of that actually addresses anything. Morality is neither one nor the other alone. If morality were merely ‘following one’s conscience’, then you could not offer any criticism of the mother that just left her two children in the car to die of exposure. The best you could say is: Oh, my conscience would not have let me do that. Any criticism of such an action is going to have to refer to a rule or principle, elaborated in part from an examination of one’s conscience and those of his fellows, moral reasoning and tradition.

  182. Knuckle Dragger

    Gulags are fictional, Liability Bob.

    Everyone knows this.

  183. Arky

    Say an Inca priest feels like he is lagging behind his fellow priests in the number of hearts cut out and heads rolled down the ziggurat that day, and feeling pangs of regret, is he suffering from a bad conscience? If he is the empathetic type, he might be putting himself in the shoes of his partner and feeling bad about the extra work the guy is having to do because of his slack attitude.
    What about a Chinese man from the 17th century who watches a public execution, but forgets his brother is suffering from consumption and the fresh blood from an execution is the best traditional medicine for his condition? When he reaches home without a piece of blood- soaked bread for his brother, is it conscience that causes his regret?
    How about a headhunter who promised his son the next scone, but left the little booger at home the next time he came across an enemy? Does he feel really bad for the boy, standing there looking sad and watching the shrinking process? Is this conscience?

  184. Arky

    Say you lived in the Middle East a couple of thousand years ago, and you knew your missus was really looking forward to the next stoning. Would it be bad conscience that made you glum when you forgot to tell her Harry next door had just got caught rooting Mildred down the street and you both missed the fun?

  185. Arky

    What about if your one job at the funeral is to help toss the window on the pyre, but the little scamp gets away? Is it conscience that causes you to solemnly apologise to the ghost of the deceased, cheated out of the company of his wife in the afterlife?

  186. Old School Conservative

    I preferred it with window.

  187. dover_beach

    Conscience is like a muscle, Arky. We have it but it needs to be formed correctly. Where it is ill-formed or left to slacken by vice the consequences are disastrous.

  188. Cardimona

    Haha, this is too good to be true.
    The Cairns Post has just released the second tranche of its “Most Influential” list and our blocked-up mate is on it.
    Even better, he’s just below Curtis bloody Pitt – Speaker of the Qld Parliament!

  189. Cardimona

    Just wait ’til Sarah Chidgey hears about this!

  190. Cassie of Sydney

    Let me guess…..I bet the Joo hating racist turd from Toowoomba thinks that Manus and Nauru are worse than Auschwitz….unless of course he also thinks that Auschwitz didn’t happen like he doesn’t think the gulags existed.

  191. zyconoclast

    Musk Accepts Ford Challenge to Truck Tug of War

    Sundeep Madra, vice president of Ford X, the automaker’s unit for developing new business models, challenged Musk on Monday to send Ford a Cybertruck. He linked to a post by the car-enthusiast site motor1.com that questioned whether Tesla’s test was “fair game.”

    Musk responded to Madra: “Bring it on.”

  192. Ellie

    Numbers – he might be an old dude, but at 78 he’s still very much alive and kicking.

    Not all of that article is correct – shock-horror! The commonwealth bank appear to have remained loyal. They are supporting his show’s trip this week to Bourke and Dubbo. He had a rep from the bank on his show this morning.

  193. Cassie of Sydney

    “Ellie
    #3245497, posted on November 26, 2019 at 2:50 pm
    Numbers – he might be an old dude, but at 78 he’s still very much alive and kicking.

    Not all of that article is correct – shock-horror! The commonwealth bank appear to have remained loyal. They are supporting his show’s trip this week to Bourke and Dubbo. He had a rep from the bank on his show this morning.”

    Ellie….the SS guard from Toowoomba doesn’t do truth or facts.

  194. Nob

    Has any body linked to Dark Emu Exposed yet?

    A sober site checking some of Pascoe’s claims against the actual sources he carelessly cites.
    Dark Emu Exposed

  195. one old bruce

    Numbers is 78? I’ll temper my opposition with respect for advanced age then. These old folks, you have to cut them some slack, except when they reverse at speed out of a driveway without looking.

  196. DrBeauGan

    Conscience is like a muscle, Arky. We have it but it needs to be formed correctly. Where it is ill-formed or left to slacken by vice the consequences are disastrous.

    It’s obvious that Arky hasn’t got one, db. Otherwise he wouldn’t confuse it with following the social conventions of the neighbours.

  197. Miltonf

    Donald Horne was pretty 2nd rate himself. A winging left wing don.

  198. cohenite

    The interesting thing about this Pascoe bullshit is that a much more erudite attempt at glossing 52nd nations culture has already been done: The Biggest Estate on Earth How Aborigines Made Australia
    By: Bill Gammage

    This noble savage panegyric is treated in depth here.

  199. zyconoclast

    Chick-Fil-A Talks Out Of Both Sides Of Its Mouth While Switching Support From Christian To LGBT Charities

    Chick-fil-A has betrayed its mission with its dollars and cowardice. Christians need to send a message loud and clear because apparently CFA’s president really likes clarity.

  200. Cassie of Sydney

    “one old bruce
    #3245505, posted on November 26, 2019 at 3:10 pm
    Numbers is 78? I’ll temper my opposition with respect for advanced age then. These old folks, you have to cut them some slack, except when they reverse at speed out of a driveway without looking.”

    Am pretty sure that Ellie was referring to Alan Jones who is 78, still going strong and who is someone who contributes to society….unlike the old racist scribbler from Toowoomba who has only ever taken from society.

  201. Arky

    social conventions

    ..
    Ok.
    What else does this conscience of yours have?
    And how would it act if you were an Inca or a 17th century Chinese?

  202. Cardimona

    [email protected]

    G’day Sarah

    Sarah, I tried to get hold of you while you were away, I sent you this message on November 13…

    “G’day Sarah

    Sarah, further to the reply I got from someone at the A-G’s dept, it seems Extinction Rebellion’s Cairns convenor requires registration as an “agent of foreign influence” under the FITS Act.

    His name is Geoff Holland and the local daily newspaper, the Cairns Post, listed him on their survey of the 50 most influential people in Far North Queensland.

    As Holland is far too thick to realise he needs to register as an “agent of foreign influence” under the FITS Act, would you be so kind as to send him a letter like the one you sent to former Prime Minister Tony Abbott?”

    Anyway, I tried to get hold of Sue Robertson, and I also tried Annette Livesey and Dahlia Messiha in the AG’s office but nobody got back to me.
    Geez, it’s like nobody works there…

    But now you’re back I’m sure you’ll sort this out.

    The Cairns Post newspaper has started releasing the final list of FNQ’s “Most Influential” people after a public vote and the second tranche includes Geoff Holland at number 33.

    Holland is just below Curtis Pitt, State Member for Mulgrave and Speaker of the Queensland Parliament at number 32 and Bob Katter, Federal Member for Kennedy at number 31.

    Here’s the link and the yarn (edited to just the intro and those three blokes)…

    https://www.cairnspost.com.au/news/special-features/in-depth/fnqs-most-influential-people-4031-revealed/news-story/e52452d77fbd0ebc5712d504a5397bbd

    WE are counting down the Cairns Post’s annual list of the Far North’s Most Influential People.

    Today we reveal Part 2, which includes positions 40-31.

    This year there’s a difference with the countdown – our readers have controlled who has made the list and the order in which they appear.

    A Cairns Post panel shortlisted 80 Far Northerners who have made an impact on the region this year before thousands of votes were cast to narrow down the final 50 – and the final order.

    Cairns Post editor Jennifer Spilsbury said the Most Influential list was a nod to the movers and shakers of the year.

    “The top 50 list is always a talking point in the region,” she said.

    “We have a wide range of influencers in our community and it’s exciting for us this year to involve our readers.”

    THIRTY-THREE

    GEOFF HOLLAND

    ENVIRONMENTALIST | NEW TO THE LIST

    Geoff Holland is heavily involved in eco-campaigns in the Far North. PICTURE: ANNA ROGERS

    Whether you regard him as a serial protester, or a passionate environmental activist, there is no doubting that Geoff Holland has the attention of many people in the Far North.

    Over the course of the past couple of decades, Geoff has been heavily involved in various eco-campaigns, varying from the Barron Delta Mangrove Protection Campaign, through to the Cairns Coastal Wallaby Protection Society’s efforts to protect marsupials in the city’s developing suburbs.

    Most recently, he’s also been one of the regular faces of Extinction Rebellion, leading a group of protesters into a council meeting.

    One of Geoff’s most notorious stunts involved trying to protect decades-old mango trees from being chopped down during the redevelopment of Munro Martin Parklands in 2015. He climbed one of the trees, and remained there for a week, only to be ultimately brought down by an undercover police officer posing as a protester.

    THIRTY-TWO

    CURTIS PITT

    MULGRAVE MP AND SPEAKER OF PARLIAMENT | LAST YEAR: 34

    Mulgrave MP Curtis Pitt.

    What a difference a single election can make. The son of former Mulgrave MP Warren, Curtis successfully climbed the political ladder to become Queensland’s Treasurer in early 2015. After Labor was returned in the 2017 State election, however, a Cabinet reshuffle resulted in Curtis losing his position to Jackie Trad, and instead popping up as parliamentary speaker.

    As Speaker, Curtis has a tough job trying to reign in the often unruly House.

    As a local MP, however, he is regarded as a big advocate for the Far North, always doing his best to ensure the region gets its fair share.

    He is our longest serving state politician, and has been advocating for big projects such as the Cairns Global Tourism Hub, and a Cairns based sound stage to help grow the Far North’s filmmaking industry.

    THIRTY-ONE

    BOB KATTER

    FEDERAL MP FOR KENNEDY | LAST YEAR: 4

    KAP Leader and Member for Kennedy Bob Katter. PICTURE: MATT TAYLOR.

    The maverick politician in the big white cowboy hat is regarded nationally as a walking headline, but to Far North Queenslanders, he’s their champion in Canberra. Although Bob presides over one of the largest federal electorates in Australia, he has a knack for still remembering people’s names when he bumps into them in the street.

    Bob may be entering his twilight years of politics, but he is still as vocal as ever, whether it comes to crocodile management, or blasting the Queensland Government over failing to support building the Nullinga Dam.

    While Bob may have easily been returned as the Member for Kennedy during the federal election in May, the past 12 months has been a rollercoaster ride for the Charters Towers native and his own political party. This has been partly due to recruiting Senator Fraser Anning, and then quickly ditching him following the fellow Queenslander’s controversial “Final Solution” speech. And then there’s a new alliance with Senator Pauline Hanson’s One Nation Party.

    Could this be the start of a beautiful relationship, or a mutual alliance between frenemies?
    ….

    Sarah, as you know, Extinction Rebellion is a foreign global socialist-anarchist organisation dedicated to overthrowing Western capitalist democracies such as ours. It is an enemy of Australia.

    My local newspaper sees Geoff Holland as a person of influence.
    People in FNQ, most likely organised greenies, voted for Holland as a person of influence.
    Holland represents a foreign socialist-anarchist organisation.
    Holland requires registration under FITS.
    Holland will not register of his own volition.

    Would you please send Holland a letter like the one you sent to Tony Abbott?
    Would you please advise either myself or Chris Calcino at the Cairns Post when you have done so?

    The Cairns community deserves to know that this “influential” local person is working against their interests to a far, far greater extent than former Prime Minister Abbott ever did.

    Thanking you in anticipation.
    (Cardimona)

  203. Armadillo

    mOnster should be the last person commenting about dogs on this blog considering the “Dearly Departed Doggie” episode. For those who don’t recall, mOnts claimed he lost his “best friend” to garner sympathy from fellow Cats. His Twitter account revealed that mOnster was too stingy to buy the poor mutt a lead, and let it out of his car on a busy street to be flattened by an unsuspecting and distraught motorist.

    Arky is in the clear on this one. I have no doubt the Model A is still in the garage. On blocks.

  204. DrBeauGan

    What else does this conscience of yours have?
    And how would it act if you were an Inca or a 17th century Chinese?

    I dunno, Arky. What colour would your dust-jacket be if you were a book?

  205. one old bruce

    Speaking of theocracy, I just read JP Donleavy’s The Ginger Man (50 years after everone else I knew did).

    When the protagonist has his evil way with nice Miss Frost, or rather she gave in to her long repressed desires (‘It’s a Mortal Sin!’), she explains the priest will demand his name in the Confessional, then inform her mother, and probably report him to ‘the Guard’ since this was adultery. Hullo, I thought, sounds like Catholic Ireland ran like Iran or Communist East Germany. No idea if that’s true, had heard the priests were authoritarian but few details. And this supposedly in the 1940s/50s, not in twilight days of yore as I had assumed previously.

  206. Cassie of Sydney

    “Cardimona
    #3245516, posted on November 26, 2019 at 3:18 pm”

    Love your work Cardimona.

  207. Bruce of Newcastle

    Chick-Fil-A Talks Out Of Both Sides Of Its Mouth While Switching Support From Christian To LGBT Charities

    Important background info:

    Chick-fil-A Put an Obama and Hillary Supporter in Charge, but Dumped Christians (22 Nov)

    Chick-fil-A’s announcement that it was dumping the Salvation Army and the Fellowship of Christian Athletes, which have come under attack by gay activist groups, caught Christian fans of the fast food chain by surprise. It shouldn’t have if they had been paying attention to CFA’s corporate structure.

    The donations were coming out of the Chick-fil-A Foundation. The Executive Director of the CFA Foundation is Rodney D. Bullard, a former White House fellow and Assistant US Attorney. Some may have mistaken him for a conservative because he was a fellow in the Bush Administration, but he was an Obama donor, and, more recently, had donated to Hillary Clinton’s campaign while at Chick-fil-A.

    Like many corporations, Chick-fil-A branded its charitable giving as a form of social responsibility. Bullard became its Vice President of Corporate Social Responsibility. Unlike charity, corporate social responsibility is a leftist endeavor to transform corporations into the political arms of radical causes. Like other formerly conservative corporations, Chick-fil-A had made the fundamental error of adopting the language and the infrastructure of its leftist peers. And that made what happened entirely inevitable.

    The trouble with a large corporation is that leftist grifters are common, and are sometimes hard to pick. And if you’ve had the misfortune of appointing one of them they’re both hard to get rid of and tend to bring in more like them. Leftism is an infectious disease.

  208. Arky

    Was it incas or Aztecs with the chopping the heart out?

  209. jupes

    Love your work Cardimona.

    Me too. Superb stuff Cardy.

  210. one old bruce

    Cassie, thanks. We go way back, I was having a lend, from the convenient ambiguity of language. Carry on, all good.

  211. Harlequin Decline

    Welcome back Arma.

    People were wondering what happened to you.

  212. Arky

    whichever one it was there weren’t too many of them emigrating saying hello I can’t cope with this all these fountains of blood and heads rolling down the Stairs I’ve gotta get out of here, my conscience is hurting me… no they are all just kicking back and watching the spectacle.

  213. zyconoclast – I tried that on my back verandah. Didn’t work out so well (fscken magpies).

  214. Spurgeon Monkfish III/Top Ender:

    I have a book coming out on the A-Bombings next year and might be able to get another reference into the area that highlights modern revisionism.

    TE – have you read this piece? Guaranteed to get the blood boiling.

    https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/08/09/hiroshima-remembering-the-white-mans-bomb/

    My blood has been boiling for some time over the Japanese self portrayal as the victim in WW2. And of course the Leftist portrayal of the West as the aggressor.

  215. Ellie

    Yep. I was referring to Alan Jones, not Numbers. I don’t know how old Numbers is, but I will give him this – he can be as tenacious as AJ.

  216. one old bruce

    Arky, this Catholic use of the word ‘formation’ is rather peculiar too. I’ve stayed with seminarians undergoing ‘formation’ and, hopelessly lapsed as I am (pray for me folks!) it struck me as odd, now I’m an old b*gger myself and wondering what past decades all meant. And I totally respect those seminarians, would fight to defend them personally (not necessarily the organisation), but could never surrender to be ‘formed’ myself, hence the ‘lapsed Catholic’ status.

    A conscience has to be properly ‘formed’ eh? Hmmm.

  217. My blood has been boiling for some time over the Japanese self portrayal as the victim in WW2.

    + 1
    Clearly, the USA should have made a 3rd bomb.

  218. Arky

    I dunno, Arky. What colour would your dust-jacket be if you were a book?

    ..
    So only western people have consciences?
    Is that the analogy?
    People in Peru or China are so alien from us they are like inanimate objects?
    Weird view for an atheist humanist, but OK.

  219. Armadillo

    People were wondering what happened to you.

    I’ve been fighting an insurance company, Harlequin. Time consuming, and a long way to go yet. It’s been 12 months since the wind Storm on 20/12/2019.

    The roofers arrived this morning and there are 7000 roof tiles on my front lawn.

  220. Armadillo

    Errr…2018. But you know what I meant.

  221. Cardimona

    To ensure the Cairns Post is paying attention I just sent this this letter, with a bcc to the journo I mentioned in the missive to Mx Chidgey.

    The Editor

    Well, with the breaking news that Excretion Retention’s Cairns coven’s convenor Geoff Holland is officially on the Cairns Post’s “Most Influential” list (26/11) it should be interesting to see if the Attorney General will list him as an “agent of foreign influence”.

    Excretion Retention is a foreign global socialist-anarchist organisation dedicated to overthrowing Western capitalist democracies such as ours. It is an enemy of Australia. It’s paid and unpaid agents are acting for a foreign organisation.

    If it is good enough for the AG’s dept to try and have former PM Tony Abbott listed for speaking at the Conservative Political Action Conference, it’s good enough for our local activist.

    And yes, I know that’s not how they spell their name but the substitution I used is descriptive of their main problem.

    (131 words)

  222. Armadillo

    Arky, what’s the go with your sudden fasciation with having a conscience? Has someone stolen your handle in my absence?

  223. Juan

    From NSW police investigating Angus Taylor over alleged fraudulent documents:

    NSW Police is the “early stages” of investigating whether federal Energy Minister Angus Taylor was involved in the creation of a “fraudulent” document used to attack the spending of City of Sydney Council.

    Police confirmed in a statement a special strike force has been formed to investigate the creation of a fraudulent document relating to the attack on Sydney mayor Clover Moore.

    “Strike force” seems a little over the top!

  224. Arky

    Still don’t know where this conscience thing comes from if Incas and Chinese don’t have ‘em, but I guess we will never know.
    So I am to ignore religion (which is for naive fools) and follow the dictates of this conscience thing which is a sure fire internal guide for doing good which is inside everyone who is errrr… doing good but absent in people who don’t believe the same things we do?
    Because they are books.

  225. Arky

    Arky, what’s the go with your sudden fasciation with having a conscience?

    ..
    Beaugan claimed his having one made him better than me or something.
    So I’m jealous and want to know where to get one.

  226. DrBeauGan

    whichever one it was there weren’t too many of them emigrating saying hello I can’t cope with this all these fountains of blood and heads rolling down the Stairs I’ve gotta get out of here, my conscience is hurting me… no they are all just kicking back and watching the spectacle.

    Cortes is supposed to have challenged Montezuma with the behaviour of his priests ripping out the still beating hearts of their victims, and didn’t Montezuma find it disgusting? Montezuma is said to have pondered the matter and replied that yes, he did think it disgusting, but not quite as disgusting as eating your god and drinking his blood every Sunday.

    I’m with Montezuma. I think both are disgusting.

  227. DrBeauGan

    So only western people have consciences?
    Is that the analogy?

    No.

  228. Mitch M.

    The interesting thing about this Pascoe bullshit is that a much more erudite attempt at glossing 52nd nations culture has already been done: The Biggest Estate on Earth How Aborigines Made Australia
    By: Bill Gammage

    Currently reading “War in Civilization” Azar Gat. The author uses the aborigines as an example of aggression in hunter gatherer societies and like so many overseas authors perceives Australian aborigines as being a good example of humanity in it is pre-agricultural state. Hence referred to as “simple hunter gatherer” whereas the American Indians are “complex hunter gatherer”.

    He cites a number of sources that today are all but ignored. Why am I not surprised? Can anyone remember when violence in aboriginal culture prior to Cook was addressed in the public sphere?

  229. Mitch M.

    Arky, what’s the go with your sudden fasciation with having a conscience?

    I trust my conscience as much as a I trust my intuition. I don’t believe in either.

  230. Mother Lode

    Has any body linked to Dark Emu Exposed yet?

    It reminds me a bit of those movies in the 70’s like ‘Chariots of the Gods’ where they would find all this ‘evidence’ of contact with aliens. Carvings of beings in space suits, or areas cleared of rubble where space craft landed, tribes that paint their bodies for rituals the pattern of which look like space suits etc.

    And a lot of people thought it fantastical new knowledge. A revelation. Some knowledge they could show off.

    Morons all.

  231. Arky

    Beaugan had become taciturn.
    You are doing a poor job of explaining this concience thing and it’s origins.

  232. Mother Lode

    Numbers is 78?

    And of those 50 have been spent griping about what happened in one.

  233. cohenite

    Cardimona
    #3245516, posted on November 26, 2019 at 3:18 pm
    [email protected]

    Good work. Send a copy to her useless boss, Christian porter.

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