JC: Let the police catch criminals not the banks

If dishonesty and disrespecting the facts are the measure for holding a senior position in the Australian Greens, Peter Dutton should be vying for the top post against Richard Di Natale.

Westpac is at the caning end of a witch hunt currently going on because 23 million international transactions went through their system, which was supposedly non-compliant with Austrac requirements.

Home Affairs Minister Peter Dutton has used Question Time to accuse Westpac of giving “a free pass to paedophiles”.

Mr Dutton used a question from a government backbencher to talk up the work of the Australian Transaction Reports and Analysis Centre (Austrac), which is taking civil proceedings against Westpac over allegations it has broken finance laws 23 million times.

Westpac banking bosses, through their negligence, have given a free pass to paedophiles and there is a price to pay for that and that price will be paid and we have been very clear about it,” Mr Dutton said.

“We have no more important undertaking as a government than to keep Australian children safe. We will continue to do it. It is clear that the Westpac Banking bosses have failed that obligation.

“We will make sure through Austrac and the other entities within the home affairs portfolio that people who commit those egregious offences or breaches of the law will pay a serious price.”

This kind of emotive talk belongs to the Greens – not a senior minister in the Liberal Government.

The reality is that Westpac self-reported the potential breach and like usual for any government run organisation such as Austrac etc., they most likely read about the breach the first time in the newspapers and got a handle at the same time as everyone else. Our government is not exactly the most agile beast in the jungle.

Westpac’s so-called failure was not to upgrade their systems in time,  to detect suspicious transactions.

One commenter at Catallaxy suggests there was one breach of a payment by a pedo going to some nefarious website. That’s one transaction in 23 million!

Another commenter suggests there were a total of 12  suspicious remittances.

The 23 million remittances that were in breach were so because these transactions had gone through without being subjected to the updated system. Dutton knows this. To suggest what he did, as a senior Liberal party minister is an absolute disgrace. If Morrison had a set, he would fire this propagandist twit.

How about this novel idea? How about governments not making banks policemen. If the government wants to police remittances they should get Austrac to do it and leave the banks alone.

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68 Responses to JC: Let the police catch criminals not the banks

  1. Tom Appleton

    Maybe the NBN should be held accountable for the internet traffic that travels through their system?

  2. James Hargrave

    Remember, we are all drug-dealers, child-molesters, terrorist-financiers, gun-runners, worst carbon-burners… etc., etc. until proved otherwise, and presumably so are the recipients. Now what about that $200 you sent your nephew in NZ for his birthday. Money has no smell.

  3. jupes

    “We have no more important undertaking as a government than to keep Australian children safe. We will continue to do it. It is clear that the Westpac Banking bosses have failed that obligation.

    I still don’t get it. Why is it up to a bank to ” keep Australian children safe”?

    Isn’t it the government’s job to”keep Australian children safe”? What is the pe*do doing out and about?

  4. mem

    I did wonder why the whole pedo thing got front pages in Sat rags. Definite beat up. I smell a red herring.

  5. struth

    Didn’t realise banks were supposed to ask you what you want to transfer money for.
    Should they be able to stop you?

  6. struth

    Credlin again pathetic feminine imbicile on this situation.

  7. RobK

    I agree, this kind of over reach rhetoric from government is unhelpful.

  8. JC

    Didn’t realise banks were supposed to ask you what you want to transfer money for.
    Should they be able to stop you?

    Struth

    They provide several categorizes you’re required to tick when making an overseas remittance.
    The pedo obviously ticked the ” buying illegal overseas porn”.
    Just kidding. They do have several categories though.

  9. Infidel Tiger

    Great to see Dutton going after the Corporatist filth.

  10. Candy

    The success of our major banks is outstanding. It is alarming how a Liberal government is leading the bank bashing.

  11. Oh come on

    Banks are some of the worst social justice nannies out there. Fuck ’em.

  12. Oh come on

    I mean, I generally agree with JC. But the banks want to run with the foxes and hunt with the hounds. Sorry. That PC crap the banks very publicly dabble in all the damn time is easily turned against them. Tough shit. No sympathy here.

  13. BorisG

    Dutton is way over the top. But Banks are also incredibly thick skinned. They do not rely on love. They will ignore the rhetoric, and as for the fine, they deserve it for noncompliance even if it is purely technical,

  14. David Brewer

    Didn’t realise banks were supposed to ask you what you want to transfer money for.
    Should they be able to stop you?

    Quite so, and that is the basic point. BTW the Bolt report had appalling coverage on this last Wednesday, with both Bolt and his guest throwing up their hands in horror that banks may have allowed naughty people to buy naughty things. So why not blame the government for issuing currency notes that can be used to buy naughty things? Oh whoops, they are about to fix that one by abolishing cash…Great, thanks.

    Still, how Bolt was sucked in to this ridiculous bank-bashing remains a mystery. He sure does not understand economics, as he often admits, but his grasp of legal principle is obviously pretty sketchy too. For heaven’s sake, if it’s illegal to buy something, then the buyer and the seller are the guilty parties, not the bank that processes the transaction. And government intrusions into banks’ operations need to be very carefully circumscribed, or they will end up curtailing the freedoms of all of us. Nor should the banks be made responsible in principle for identifying and stopping illegal purchases, or any other illegal activity, that is the government’s responsibility.

  15. Beachcomber

    It’s a shameless, sanctimonious pile-on by the usual suspects, including Morrison and Fredo Frydenberg. And it’s disturbing that more government regulation is always the theme.

    But

    Banks are some of the worst social justice nannies out there.
    Westpac – Supporting the transition to a low carbon economy

    It’s difficult to have any sympathy for Westpac.

  16. JC

    OCO

    The bald zombie is accusing the bank of being pedo friendly. This is insane bullshit.

  17. C.L.

    As I said when JC raised this earlier today, Dutton has a track record of using petta-files as a justification for almost anything. Last time he said encryption had to be made illegal to – you guessed it – catch the petta-files! JC described him as a bald zombie and I concur.

  18. C.L.

    BALD ZOMBIE!!!

    He’s like a hybrid of Adam Schiff and Colonel Kurtz.

  19. C.L.

    That PC crap the banks very publicly dabble in all the damn time is easily turned against them …

    That’s true. It’s a bit like sympathising with journalists raided by ASIO.
    You do it … but with mixed feelings.

  20. stackja

    Banks used to be friendly branch managers of money. Then came the mergers that would improve the quality. Then came the PC.

  21. Iampeter

    This kind of emotive talk belongs to the Greens – not a senior minister in the Liberal Government.

    There hasn’t really been a difference between the two in decades.

    It would’ve been good for conservatives to start taking a more hard-line stance back with the disastrous Howard. They would still have some credibility today.

    Alas…

  22. Still, how Bolt was sucked in to this ridiculous bank-bashing remains a mystery.

    No mystery there, he became a wet a long time ago.

  23. FelixKruell

    Wow, something we agree on.

    It’s a bit rich for the government regulators (who haven’t exactly covered themselves with glory in this space) to get upset that a private bank hasn’t been doing enough to help them do their job.

    How many tens of millions of dollars have banks been paying to introduce this AML regime?

  24. Perfidious Albino

    I can only assume that as a former copper Dutton has a particular antipathy for anything pe do related, but still…

  25. Mark M

    The banks thunk they are in a position to dictate green morality of ‘saving the planet’ with renewables.

    The Greens is the party of the paedophile:

    Greens say sorry for past paedophilia ties
    https://www.thelocal.de/20141112/greens-say-sorry-for-past-paedophilia-ties

    Banks, renewables, Greens, paedophile all in one sentence?

    This is my surprised face after a recent wash.

  26. Hadyn

    Banks are some of the worst social justice nannies out there. Fuck ’em.

    Could not agree more.

    The executives made millions and thought that made them masters of the universe. Spivs and rip-off merchants are no longer welcome in our banking system. Especially, when they seek to lecture us on social policy!

  27. feelthebern

    CEO & Chair to step down.
    What a pair of pussies.

  28. struth

    Banks are some of the worst social justice nannies out there. Fuck ’em.

    Could not agree more.

    The executives made millions and thought that made them masters of the universe. Spivs and rip-off merchants are no longer welcome in our banking system. Especially, when they seek to lecture us on social policy!

    I agree, however, the other bad guys, who have just as much got it in for us, are in government.
    It now gains more control on all our lives by playing up to this sentiment and gains more control over banks.
    Corporates, companies and banks are forced into green social policy statements by government departments who control those businesses and banks, via regulation, HR, and the ability to make things very difficult for business that does not comply, and this is now an extra layer of threatening behaviour by government to ensure you get more social nonsense from the banks.

  29. Mother Lode

    It is another way activists can goad politicians into doing their bidding.

    Attach a cause which is current and condemned – here, p3d0s. Could be wife beating (technically a man could be a victim of domestic violence and that would not be considered scandalous at all), Is Lamb, etc.

    These are thing we must have zero tolerance of! Therefore, if the Westpac (unwittingly) processed a transaction connected to the p3d0s then it behoves our ‘leaders’ to denounce them in absolute, stentorious, uncompromising terms. Twelve out of 23 million transactions is twelve too many!

    So you can layer on more and more legislation, regulation, reporting and oversight.

    No politician wants to say “Look, 12 out of 23 million is an astonishingly small number. Ideally we would like to catch those behind the twelve, but it is unrealistic to expect zero. Crimes will always be committed before they can be investigated. We look forward to working with Westpac to more quickly identify criminal activity so we can pursue it.”

    No politician has the nads to admit that p3d0s, and money launderers and extortionists and drug dealers, murderers, thieves and so on will always be there. ‘Zero’ crime is an asymptotic ideal. You work as hard as you can to get there, but you will never reach it.

    The endgame, of course, is to have politicians so conditioned they don’t need to be prompted any more. The words “Global Warming’ have this effect.

  30. Gilas

    Damn!!

    I actually have to agree with Wimpeter on this.

    Well said Sir!

  31. Old School Conservative

    From today’s Australian re the number of transactions:
    The allegations, filed in the Federal Court, included not properly monitoring international fund transfers and claims the bank failed to properly assess 12 customers with links to child pornography and sexual exploitation in The Philippines and other Southeast Asian nations.

    CEO Brian Harzer has quit.

  32. Candy

    Perhaps Dutton will have to go after the other banks and credit unions too.
    Why not destroy our fine longstanding banking system completely.
    Meanwhile Frydenburg urges the RBA to 0% interest rates. Crazy stuff.

  33. struth

    There hasn’t really been a difference between the two in decades.

    It would’ve been good for conservatives to start taking a more hard-line stance back with the disastrous Howard. They would still have some credibility today.

    Conservatives did.
    You mean the MSM didn’t report it?
    Get outa town!!

    I led a truck convoy participated in by thousands of people against the Gillard Government.

    Trucks and cars circling parliament houses and supporters crowding the bridges and the lawns of the rally.

    ABC called it a fizzer and a failure because no one turned up!
    The people that didn’t turn up were the cyclists who were going to take us on and various green groups.

    Get some life experience before you think conservatives haven’t done anything.

    What have you done, Iampoyda?

  34. Behind Enemy Lines

    I have no sympathy for WestPac, which is the bank that unpersonned Blair Cottrell for the unforgivable crime of being a noisily Australian patriot. But even though it pleases me to see the bank and the scum who govern it given a (probably insignificant) kick, it worries me to learn that the government and banks are now formally teaming up to enforce pre-crime ‘justice’. After all, from what I’ve read they aren’t stopping payments for specific bad activities, they’re stopping payments to and from specific bad people, because they might do something bad with the money.

    And we all agree that the government should stop bad people from having money, right?

    Any time politicians start whipping up p3do hysteria over what is apparently nothing, you can be sure they’re measuring the rest of us for a shafting. Today it’s p3dos, tomorrow it’s dissidents. Oh wait, I forgot; WestPac has already started cutting off dissidents.

    I bet they can’t wait for the the $10k payment rules and an eventual cashless society.

    Maybe our uni-party masters aren’t just stupid, greedy and power-hungry. Maybe they actually do have a medium-term plan to make outright slaves of us all.

    It’s not as if we aren’t already half-way there.

  35. Dr Faustus

    If the government wants to police remittances they should get Austrac to do it and leave the banks alone.

    That’s exactly what AUSTRAC’s charter is:

    We work with our partners to protect our country and its people from serious crime and terrorism. We use financial intelligence and regulation to:

    – prevent criminal abuse of our financial sector
    – help our government and law enforcement partners detect, deter and disrupt money laundering, terrorism financing and other serious crime
    – build and maintain trust and integrity in Australia’s financial system.

    Yet somehow, AUSTRAC has managed to miss 5 years and 23 million transactions of systematic failure by Australia’s largest O/S banking organization. Slick work.

    AUSTRAC reports to the Hon. Peter Dutton.
    Which possibly explains his hysterical parliamentary theatrics.

  36. Iampeter

    Conservatives did.
    You mean the MSM didn’t report it?
    Get outa town!!

    Where are the articles from Blair, Bolt, Ackerman, etc, getting stuck into Howard like they get stuck into Turnbull?
    In fact most of the mainstream conservative commentary looks to Howard as the gold standard of conservatism. The Australian Conservatives even had a shrine on their website to Howard and set him as their standard too. So when you say “conservatives did,” what do you mean exactly?

    I led a truck convoy participated in by thousands of people against the Gillard Government.

    But these truck convoys should’ve been happening during the HOWARD years, not Gillard. That was way too late. Had you done that then you would have some credibility.
    Which was my point all along…

  37. Boambee John

    FelixKruell
    #3245111, posted on November 26, 2019 at 7:24 am
    Wow, something we agree on.

    It’s a bit rich for the government regulators (who haven’t exactly covered themselves with glory in this space) to get upset that a private bank hasn’t been doing enough to help them do their job.

    How many tens of millions of dollars have banks been paying to introduce this AML regime?

    Governments have made businesses their unpaid agents in a number of areas, including collecting and transferring GST, PAYG, excise, superannuation employer contributions and money transaction monitoring.

    At the same time various government agencies (ATO, SACI, Austrac et al) have been set up to monitor the performance of these unpaid agents. These agencies come down on any actual or simply perceived failures by the unpaid agents.

    Would it not be better if these government agencies did the various jobs under their legislated authority? Or would that be too gruelling for the poor snowflakes?

  38. CL:

    BALD ZOMBIE!!!

    If The Doomlord had a son, it would be like BALD ZOMBIE!!!

  39. Spiv stands up for the spiv factory. No doubt he and/or his spiv mates have taken a beating on their bank share holdings. Talking your book is understandable, but worthless as analysis.

  40. Hamish Marshall

    David Brewer…”with both Bolt and his guest throwing up their hands in horror that banks may have allowed naughty people to buy naughty things” David, the issue is the continual rape of babies, toddlers and children, to order, by Australians. Most of your countrymen have some social conscience. Peter Dutton is representing us, as does Andrew Bolt.

  41. Boambee John

    Oops, SACI = ASIC!

  42. JC

    Monster

    Who are you referring to?

  43. JC

    Frank, If the fat boy is referring to me, I don’t own a single Australian bank stock.

  44. Hamish Marshall
    #3245368, posted on November 26, 2019 at 12:40 pm

    David Brewer…”with both Bolt and his guest throwing up their hands in horror that banks may have allowed naughty people to buy naughty things” David, the issue is the continual rape of babies, toddlers and children, to order, by Australians. Most of your countrymen have some social conscience. Peter Dutton is representing us, as does Andrew Bolt.

    Hang on.

    Who was the Attorney General or Minister for Home Affairs when this happened, and will they have a final half bottle of Islay Whisky and shoot themselves with their ex-service Glock in private after they’ve written an apology letter?

    More honourable men in Victorian times would have done similar.

    No. I didn’t think so.

    They’ve got multiple taxpayer funded pensions to collect after all.

    That’s what the real heroes do.

    Dodge accountability & collect big fat pension cheques funded at gunpoint from OPM.

  45. struth

    But these truck convoys should’ve been happening during the HOWARD years, not Gillard. That was way too late. Had you done that then you would have some credibility.
    Which was my point all along…

    I didn’t want to upstage you , your protest groups , and all you were doing at the time!

    FMD, you are a moron.

    Just a point of order.
    The Howard years were good economically thanks to his treasurer , and a mining boom, and I was out working my arse off to earn the money, so as to feed my family and put a roof over their heads, and to drive a Kenworth across to Canberra and back and take the time off to do it…………………..which I needn’t explain to a pontificating do nothing (except whinge), arm chair , keyboard warrior.
    If you are not young, you should be deeply embarrassed.
    If you are young or old, you need a good kick up the arse , either way……you’re a brat.

  46. Iampeter

    I didn’t want to upstage you , your protest groups , and all you were doing at the time!

    FMD, you are a moron.

    Oh no. I wasn’t protesting anything. I was a clueless Howard supporter just like you.
    The difference is that I learned and I’m not anymore.
    While you’re still mouthing 90’s talking points and have absolutely no clue what politics is even about.

    I fully concede I was a moron and sounded just like you. But you’re STILL a moron.

    The fact that you aren’t young means you have absolutely no excuse.

  47. …but for the millionth time Peter, you have nothing ever to contribute or suggest as an alternative. Except for that you think you’re the smartest man who ever lived and the only true classical liberal in the whole nation.

  48. struth

    The question still remains proving you still are a moron?
    What have you done since you became the brightest man on planet earth?
    Nothing but tap on computer keys.
    Pathetic.

  49. mh

    I fully concede I was a moron

    That’s a good start.

  50. struth

    It would’ve been good for conservatives to start taking a more hard-line stance back with the disastrous Howard. They would still have some credibility today.

    Oh no. I wasn’t protesting anything. I was a clueless Howard supporter just like you.

    I fully concede I was a moron

    But you get to have credibility?
    Even when you have done nothing to fight? Indeed confessing your previous station in life as a moron, let me assure you that phase of your life has not ended, but being a moron, how would you be expected to know?

    You are a moron.

  51. struth

    Howard was never right wing enough for me and Costello was an idiot on Social issues and the public and middle class welfare was not spot on at all.
    They weren’t good as they could be, but weren’t worth trying to get a truck convoy to cross Australia over, it never would have happened.
    And it cost me thousands to lead that protest in fuel and time off, so I thought it better to wait for a time when I could get some people to come with me.
    When true corrupt socialism was in power.
    Bloody conservatives like you supporting Howard would not have joined the protest when Howard was in, (indeed one truck had the sides of his trailer with a picture of Howard and said “Miss me yet”) and you aren’t protesting now, and you never have, you pathetic do nothing key board warrior.
    Get off our arse and do something.
    Don’t you dare chastise others about credibility.

  52. Iampeter

    But you get to have credibility?

    Credibility about what? You don’t even know what “rights” are or why it’s important but you’re carrying on like you’re an expert on a politics blog.

    If I’m lacking credibility you wouldn’t know anyway.

    Howard was never right wing enough for me and Costello was an idiot on Social issues and the public and middle class welfare was not spot on at all.

    Howard was worse than Gillard. But you never led any convoys against him, so don’t use an act of ignorance on your part as if it’s something for anyone aspire to.

  53. JC

    Plodes

    Stop it. If you believe that HoWARd was worse than the lying slapper, you’re nothing other than a hardcore leftist. Despite his failings, HoWARd enacted one of the most significant labor market reforms in the country’s history.. since the Harvester case. It was WorkChoices. He lost the election and the lying Slapper then enacted Fairwork. Fairwork is an abortion of labor market inflexibility.

    Stop the bullshit, remove the groucho disguise and accept the fact that you’re a far leftist…. in the Jeremy Corbyn category.

    That’s not to say that HoWARd was conservative perfection as he was clearly not so.

    Knock this shit off as we’re know where you’re coming from.

  54. Iampeter

    Howard build the environmentalist bureaucracy and middle class welfare. Hard to find a more left wing PM than Howard.

    That’s not to say that HoWARd was conservative perfection as he was clearly not so.

    Knock this shit off as we’re know where you’re coming from.

    You don’t know anything about politics.

  55. JC

    You don’t know anything about politics.

    Plodes, you’re a hardcore leftist.

  56. Iampeter

    Plodes, you’re a hardcore leftist.

    Only someone who doesn’t know anything about politics would accuse me of being a leftist.

  57. struth

    You’re done here Iampoyda even if you think you aren’t.
    You’re being butt fucked dry and the lurkers are too busy laughing to even spit on your freckle.

  58. Iampeter

    Yea I’m sure it’s me the lurkers are laughing at and not the raving imbeciles and crackpots who’d be banned on any other blog.

  59. You are a hardcore leftist Peter.

    You never, ever put up anything substantive as an alternative, just how much smarter you are than everyone else, and that you are the only true classical liberal in Australia.

    A hardcore leftist, a crackpot and a failed concern troll.

    Fuck off.

  60. Iampeter

    Frank, that’s a great description of yourself, struth, JC, et al.

    You nutters aren’t fooling anyone…

  61. Peter’s writing looks suspiciously like a certain monomaniacal QLD school teacher…

    Anyway, your mythical political party “ideologically pure Objectivists with no actual policies or solutions” can fit in a midget’s phone booth.

  62. Just one policy suggestion Peter, other than how you are the smartest, most brilliant classical liberal to ever have lived.

    Just one.

  63. Iampeter

    Yea I’ve never laid out my viewpoints in countless long threads on issue after issue.
    I’m so clueless and uninformed that you nut jobs are triggered to the point of unhinged by me like no other.
    You’re totally not threatened by me easily and routinely exposing that you have no clue, that you follow me from thread to thread raving like lunatics trying to drive me off the blog.

    Totally the actions of informed individuals winning the exchange!

    Real deep thinkers and big brains…

  64. Yea I’ve never laid out my viewpoints in countless long threads on issue after issue.

    You haven’t.

    Ever.

  65. JC

    Don’t be scared, plodes.

    Take a deep breath and push down. We know you can do it.

  66. Stimpson J. Cat

    No JC you are wrong on this.
    The Police should be going after the Banks, because eventually this will lead them to the ATO, the biggest criminals of all.
    It has to start somewhere.

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