Victoria bans leisure and commercial activities in the State Forests

I have a piece in Quadrant on the wealth destruction and human endangerment policies being pursued by Victoria’s government.  Here is an edited extract.

Victoria is the vanguard of states in major struggles over the control and use of public lands.  These comprise around 35 per cent of the state, the majority of which is in parks and reserves that aim to minimise human impact. Such areas have long been seen as under-managed and infested with exotic flora and fauna. They are increasingly recognised as perilous host to ferocious and destructive fires.

The rest of the public land is state forest, traditionally available for forestry, grazing, mining and a whole range of leisure activities such car rallies, hunting, horse riding, camping and dog walking, none of which are generally permitted in National Parks.

Over the past 30 years governments have progressively constrained the use of the forests for timber harvesting and grazing.  Grazing has been all but eliminated and annual timber harvesting area has been reduced from 25,000 hectares 40 years ago to just 3,000 hectares today.  The Andrews government has announced a 2030 phase-out of all timber-getting in the state forests.

VEAC also hires economic consultants.  Applying an alchemistic methodology called “contingent valuation” they estimate that the Victorian public would be willing to pay $247 million in order to convert 60,000 hectares of state forest in the Victorian Goldfields (the Central West) into National Park.

The valuation ($4600 per hectare) of restraining public use of public land is not based on some marginal change to land use.  It would be equally applicable to the whole of the state. Its logic means people would be willing to sterilise all of the 3,100,00 hectares of state forest from commercial and most leisure uses and consider themselves to be $14 billion better off as a result!

VEAC’s consultants also argue against mining claiming that future mineral discoveries are well-nigh impossible. Yet, the Geological Survey of Victoria estimates that half the state’s gold is yet to be found.   Moreover, entrepreneurs risking their own money are spending around $9 million a year in the 42 exploration licenses current in the area.

So, we have a double whammy.  First, policies are being pursued to banish commercial and much leisure-use activities that have proven to be perfectly compatible with forest conservation.  Secondly, requiring the cessation of commercial forestry also means eliminating many of the roads, and thereby heavy machinery, essential to fight fires. It would be hard to devise a more destructive set of policies.

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65 Responses to Victoria bans leisure and commercial activities in the State Forests

  1. stackja

    NSW parks and forests are ‘tinder boxes’. Victoria wants the same thing? Summer time will be interesting.

  2. DaveR

    This is all part of the Andrews government intention to grant a form of ownership over state forests to Aboriginal groups, as part of the secret “treaty” negotiations currently underway.

    If Andrews achieves this goal, it will be the greatest transfer of land to a section of the Australian population in the nation’s history. And Andrews has signaled he intends to achieve this without a state referendum.

    Victoria’s public lands, set aside by much wiser politicians many decades ago for future economic use, will no longer be available for those intended purposes.

  3. Victoria bans leisure and commercial activities in the State Forests

    Don’t worry. It won’t be long before a number of state forests cease to exist.
    Besides who wants to go for walk through the charcoal?

  4. Snoopy

    If Andrews achieves this goal, it will be the greatest transfer of land to a section of the Australian population in the nation’s history. And Andrews has signaled he intends to achieve this without a state referendum.

    And in total the genetic background of the beneficiaries will be minority Aboriginal.

  5. Dr Fred Lenin

    Ah good .why should the other Eastern States have all the fires labor is ensuring we gst our share ,(and building up gagrene preferences for the future ) . Good to see them ensuring enduring cfmeusocialism .

  6. What a great way to:
    a. promote tension between different racial or ethnic groups;

    b. increase the price of timber for rural, domestic and commercial purposes;

    c. prevent proper forest management thus promoting the spread of feral pests like dingos and weeds;

    d. increasing the likelihood of dangerous fires; and,

    e. making it easier to hand over forests to Chinese or international creditors when the Comrades can’t pay off their debts.

    Clever!

    But how grateful I am that I was able to see our country at its best in the 50s before the Takeover really began to be obvious.

  7. I’ve commented and written on this issue a few times in the past and I completely agree that once this is passed in its totality, the bush will sooner or later be completely devastated. I’ve travelled the Victorian High Country for over 40 years and seen first hand how ‘well’ the state government manages our forests.

    Firstly, the state simply doesn’t have the resources to maintain access tracks and the like across the entire state, especially the High Country. Tracks have been increasingly closed off over the last decade or more because there is no money to maintain them in national parks and state forests. Take away the 4WDriving fraternity and you’ll have no access in a few years.

    Secondly, once access is closed off for all, over time, everything will be forgotten and no one will actually care about these areas and will start questioning spending any money on them. Those who work in the Parks organisation will have to start thinking of another job, as their employment requirements will become redundant. If no one can access a national park, who needs parks personnel?

    Thirdly, the Victorian High Country will become a virtually lifeless, charred, remnant of what it once was. But at least the blackberries might all be burnt off.

  8. Thirdly, the Victoristan an High Country will become a virtually lifeless, charred, remnant of what it once was

    FIFY

  9. RobK

    They can always dress up the wild land with some wind turbines.

  10. iggie

    Just a thought.
    Handing the land back to the Aborigines could result in burn-offs/hazard reduction as has been done for thousands of years without affecting Dan’s reputation.
    If this doesn’t eventuate, any large fires can then be blamed on climate change.
    Wins either way.
    Way to go, Andrews.

  11. Davey Boy

    Never mind, when the bushfire terrorists inevitably make use of the state forest resources Victoriastan is willingly preparing, premier-for-life Dan Andrews will say it’s just part of contemporary Australia.
    Sweet, maaaate.

  12. Roger

    The most subversive premier in Australia’s history.

  13. Where will bee keepers put their hives?

  14. Dr Fred Lenin

    The present day “aboriginals “will not do burns like the real aboriginals used to so they could see game to hunt . I knew a white bushman who was employed by the government to teach young “aboriginal” men bushcraft as their elders were too drunk to do it . He said it was flogging a dead horse ,they were incapable of learning ,the government had spoiled them too much .

  15. Roger

    Where will bee keepers put their hives?

    May I suggest on the driveway to VIC’s parliament house?

    And in front of every Labor representatives local office.

  16. Roger

    I have a piece in Quadrant on the wealth destruction and human endangerment policies being pursued by Victoria’s government.

    You’re doing God’s work, Alan.

  17. Rockdoctor

    Aussie Male agree with most, here’s my musings…

    What a great way to:
    a. promote tension between different racial or ethnic groups;

    Yup I live in North Queensland now but have worked across the top end and in a younger mans clothes graced a few pubs in said places. Working men generally don’t see colour especially if you can hold your own on a site in this climate. It does say a lot about the Feds that they haven’t looked at S51(xxix) to try and squash treaty negotiation though I can see where this goes into a grey area, how can an entity have a treaty with it’s own citizens.

    b. increase the price of timber for rural, domestic and commercial purposes;

    As a young fella after I finished my degree during a mining downturn I worked in a saw mill for a few months. There were heaps around the Goulburn Valley like it. Back there in the area for a visit 2 years ago there were none and all the timber I used for my renovations were imported, so already happened.

    c. prevent proper forest management thus promoting the spread of feral pests like dingos and weeds;

    As a year 10 work experience student I did my time at Dept Conservation Forests and Lands Broadford, some 3-4 decades later I still remember everything was about management and sustainability along with custodianship for public enjoyment. That sorely needs to be rediscovered.

    d. increasing the likelihood of dangerous fires; and,

    Black Saturday anyone??? I saw the damage after it did to the glorious Mountain Ash forests round Toolangi & along the Melba Hwy to Yea. The anger I felt was palpable… A trip last year along the Melba into the Goulburn Valley where I still have some family the dead trees still dominate the skyline through the regrowth…

    e. making it easier to hand over forests to Chinese or international creditors when the Comrades can’t pay off their debts.

    Only one I can’t see happening, the green vibe is so strong it has ruined Victoria. Would be sacrilegious…

  18. John Constantine

    Rewilding.

    All viktoria not inside the ‘ Logan’s Run’ style bubblecity of danville will be rewilded. The faster it burns, the higher the death rate, the quicker the process will occur.

    First Peoples are just used as the pawns, the State will rewild them too when the decolonialisation process has reached that point.

    Comrades.

  19. John Constantine

    Council rates and the fire services levy taxes on capital and crushing new compliance and regulation burdens will also be valuable weapons for rewilding.

    The don’t have to clear all the people out, just clear enough humans out that the withering of economies of scale foe services occurs.

    Sealing up the bush to burn unused is the same as dumping the irrigation water from the dams out to sea unused. Purge the dissenters.

    Comrades

  20. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    This is all part of the Andrews government intention to grant a form of ownership over state forests to Aboriginal groups, as part of the secret “treaty” negotiations currently underway.

    Which could then presumably be overturned by the Commonwealth – and which of course won’t because the gliberals are an amorphous collective blob of spineless jellyfish.

    There has never been an Australian politician who has existed in my lifetime that I utterly detest as much as andrews. Thank goodness I’ve never had the misfortune to have to exist in victoriastan. What a disgusting collectivist imbecile infested cesspit it is. Henry Bolte is no doubt spinning in his grave.

  21. a happy little debunker

    Victoria is the vanguard of states in major struggles over the control and use of public lands. These comprise around 35 per cent of the state

    Except for Tasmania with 42% of the state permanently locked away & some 52% of Tasmania’s land area has some form of reservation classification.

  22. David Brewer

    Dan is turning large parts of Victoria into Mars: an inaccessible, unusable and – after the inevitable fires – barren wasteland.

    And if DaveR is right and Dan is just preparing to hand all this land to some fake “Land Council” run by people who have or claim Aboriginal heritage, what will be the point anyway? Who is going to want to run thousands of square kilometers of land on which nothing can legally be done for fun or profit? And who is going to want to be in the frame when the fires start?

  23. teddy bear

    Bought a piece of dressed pine at bunnings the other day, it came from New Zealand… Sad to think New Zealand exports pine to us.

  24. Old Lefty

    Sources tell me that there is tension between the Green ideologues in the ACT’s ultra PC government, which hankers after the mythical pristine environment untouched by human hands and oppose backburning, and the local Aboriginal communities who want to reinstate Aboriginal burning off. It will be interesting to see who wins the PC stakes.

  25. NSW parks and forests are ‘tinder boxes’.

    Phrasing.

  26. The case for non-violent resistance grows by the day. If anyone knows the term for ignoring government, please remind me. Agorism is part of that for me.

    Follow the law and die in a fire.

    Break the law, clear your land nearby and live.

    The green left are unlovable arseholes, Dan Andrews is utterly demented and these unknown, suitably unqualified crackpots hired as consultants would swear that trepanation and crack cocaine is life affirming if you wrote them a cheque.

  27. Dr Fred Lenin

    Some of the government and their advisors have actually been in the bush ,well Mt Hotham , like being snow dummies chasing snow bunnies , so dont accuse them of knowing nothing .
    Oops sorry, there was no snow er, global warming done it ,the snow was flanneried into history ,
    The people in the Northern hemisphere will be pleased when all the snow is flanneried so its not all bad news .

  28. Look up the 1935 Conservation Act enacted by the Nazis.
    Andrews is just copying his Socialist Scum ideological ancestors. History rhyming…again.

  29. Rob MW

    ……to convert 60,000 hectares of state forest in the Victorian Goldfields (the Central West) into National Park.

    The valuation ($4600 per hectare) of restraining public use of public land is not based on some marginal change to land use.

    So let me get this straight, they want to sell 60,000 hect’s (148,200 acres) of THEIR land in one department to another public department for $276,000,000.00 ($1,862.34 per acre) simply because they want to make unproductive (fucking useless) land more unproductive (more fucking useless) land.

    In my area highly productive mix livestock and broadacre (non-irrigation) private agriculture land is worth around that $700.00 to $1,000.00 per acre mark. On the other hand, the clearing ban lock-up vegetation laws effectively making private prime agriculture land national parks and the owners unpaid park rangers the consultants equation has a fair bit of merit I would think……….I’m open to that sort of offer, shit I’ll even help em plant more fucking exploding renewable native trees and fill the fucking place with as many wild pigs as they require, just to blend in, Christ, I’ll sell them whole fucking State.

  30. RobK

    The valuation ($4600 per hectare)
    Im in. They can have my 1500ha at a discount….oh wait, they’ve already forced me to give them 300 for nix but retain liability.
    Curses.

  31. sfw

    Dan is a leftie idiot but where are the Libs? Crickets, there is no opposition in Vic. Can you imagine the soft Labor Libs of Vic repealing any of Andrews legislation? Nah, never happen. We’re doomed, a one party state.

  32. Bruce

    Socialism: the other DEATH CULT.

  33. DaveR

    The Andrews government is in secret “treaty” negotiations with 32 Aboriginal Land councils, representing 100% of the state of Victoria, not just the Central Goldfields. It has been stated his proposed “treaty” will include some sort of (unknown) transfer of land rights to those Aboriginal groups.

    Andrews “treaty” looks like it is going to be established under legislation, and not put to the Victorian people in a referendum, as would be expected for a change of this magnitude. It is clear the Andrews government has no mandate to transfer significant amounts of crown land from Victorian state (all Victorians) to Aboriginal ownership.

    This new “treaty” is also likely to be inconsistent with the existing federal Native Title Act, put in place after the rights established in the Mabo High Court Case in 1992. The Native Title Act has many checks and balances for establishing Native Title, such as the bona fides of Aboriginal claimants, and determination of continuous connection with the land.

    The view in some Victorian aboriginal groups is that the Native Title process has not delivered enough land into Aboriginal control. Therefore, Andrews new “treaty” is planned to bypass the Native Title Act procedures.

    There is no legal precedent in Australia establishing these new land rights and for their transfer contemplated by the Andrews “treaty”, therefore it may be open to legal challenge.

  34. Pete of Perth

    Can a bear still shit in the woods in Vic?

  35. areff

    Was fishing a couple of years on the upper reaches of the Jamioeson, below the bluff, and was heading home when I passed two bushwalkers (in their fifties) who looked done in. Pulled over and asked if they were OK. They were, but exhausted. Turned out they’d decided to walk a track they did 20 years earlier, in their relative youth, and had found it so overgrown they should have come equipped with machetes and native bearers.

    Burn, baby, burn — its inevitable.

    Of greater concern is

    1/ the Dandenongs, where we’ll see megadeath when they go up. The fuel loads are once again horrendous, there are few roads out (all single lanes) and bugger all refuges. Not only do greens dominate the council, they’ve also taken over CFA units. If you live there, buy a secondhand shipping container and park it in the backyard. It’s the best refuge you’ll get and a lot safer than being stuck in traffic with fire on either side of the road setting your tyres alight.

    2/ Melbourne will run out of water. When the catchment areas go up — they are ordained by Nature to burn every 200-400 years as a job lot, then to engage in a darwinian race for sunshine and to block that same light from rivals. So, first the fires make the water undrinkable with ash-choked runoff and erosion. Then the amount of water seeping down the catchment into the dams is reduced to a trickle by the thirsty saplings each trying to outdo each other. Some estimates reckon it will take 40 years before the water table returns to “normal”.

    Basically, we’re rooted. You read it here first.

  36. areff

    Oh, and keep your eye on suburban Mill Park. If fire gets into Plenty Gorge and the wind is right, those homes are going to go up one-by-one, as happened in Bendigo 2009.

    Plenty of fuel here:

    https://claudefit.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/trail-run.jpg

  37. Mark A

    Basically, we’re rooted. You read it here first.

    True

    If you live there, buy a secondhand shipping container and park it in the backyard. It’s the best refuge you’ll get and a lot safer than being stuck in traffic with fire on either side of the road setting your tyres alight.

    You’d better make that super insulated and provide continuous water spray cover it, unless you want to use it as an oven.

    Best way to make it useful is to dig it in. Friend of mine used it as an underground shelter, worked a treat during the Mount Macedon fires.
    Original purpose?
    Take a guess.

  38. areff

    Goes without saying, Mark. And digging it in is the best idea.

  39. Rohan

    I’ve work in the timber industry in Vic and theres rumours going around that the government owned ASH mill at Heyfield will be exempt from the throttling back of supply of logs from 2024.

    Some pigs are more equal than others.

    In addition, the new government appointed CEO of the for profit VicForests, a lawyer with no industry experience, was parroting the Dickhead Dan talking points within moments of the public announcement. She hasn’t spoken up once against the move on behalf of the stakeholders since.

    The fix is in.

  40. Herodotus

    Thanks Alan Moran. I’m guessing it would be too much to ask the MSM to reveal the full spectrum of madness that possesses Victoria and Queensland under their present governments.
    It’s too much to ask for sane discussion of the wider madness re climate change which infects and debilitates all governments, thence the nation.

  41. Entropy

    Some of the government and their advisors have actually been in the bush ,well Mt Hotham , like being snow dummies chasing snow bunnies , so dont accuse them of knowing nothing .

    Don’t they usually go OS for holidays? Like Japan or whistler?
    As any good melnournistan citizen knows, once you head beyond Carlton the burbs are full of wife bashing monsters, and even further out, in “the bush” they are axe wielding serial killers. They just don’t ever go there while tuscany beckons. Besides, that compulsory EV they have regulated couldn’t get a recharge there anyway.

    It makes it easy to lock it it all up.

  42. The Andrews government is in secret “treaty” negotiations with 32 Aboriginal Land councils, representing 100% of the state of Victoria, not just the Central Goldfields. It has been stated his proposed “treaty” will include some sort of (unknown) transfer of land rights to those Aboriginal groups.

    What an arsehole.

    He’s not giving up the park near his home, is he?

  43. Entropy

    VEAC also hires economic consultants. Applying an alchemistic methodology called “contingent valuation” they estimate that the Victorian public would be willing to pay $247 million in order to convert 60,000 hectares of state forest in the Victorian Goldfields (the Central West) into National Park.

    The valuation ($4600 per hectare) of restraining public use of public land is not based on some marginal change to land use. It would be equally applicable to the whole of the state. Its logic means people would be willing to sterilise all of the 3,100,00 hectares of state forest from commercial and most leisure uses and consider themselves to be $14 billion better off as a result!

    It is incredible how contingent analysis gets used by people with an agenda. I remember when coronation hill mine was banned, Hawke used a contingent analysis study to show the area had infinite value!
    But I digress. Using this analysis, why not lock up every single bit of land in Victoria? What kind of agricultural production would get a valuation of $4600/ha? Let alone native forest country. Five seconds thought would reveal there is something wrong with this analysis.

  44. Tel

    Hawke used a contingent analysis study to show the area had infinite value!

    Given that it’s a survey based on “willingness to pay” but actually you don’t need to ever make that payment, nor even be capable of making that payment … logically the unconstrained upper bound should lead to infinite results.

    Suppose every person had a credit card that they could keep using and pay back when they felt like it but there was no specific requirement to pay any minimum amount. What would happen to prices?

  45. Stated and revealed preferences.

    Never take stated preference data at face value unless it has bee analysed correctly; “applied choice analysis”.

  46. Gowest

    GLOBAL WARMING ABATEMENT activities have also been banned – typical shiny bum, do-nothing, public servant, fat controllers – paid mega-bucks to screw the country.

  47. In the State built on Bendigo & Ballarat –

    this report proposes to end mining.

    Words fail at that point –

  48. Entropy

    I was having one of those ‘what if’ conversations the other day (sadly these usually do better with beer) with an earnest friend about the future of grazing savannah lands, in a world where vegans dominate and most protein is grown in a vat.
    I stated they would empty and those outback towns will die. He said that need not be so, as the owners of the land would be paid a better income to look after the land. I asked where these funds would come from, given grazing just in Queensland is worth $15B a year? Apparently the government will transfer funds from city people to these land managers. I should have suggested a contingent analysis by the right kind of economist would no doubt support this theory.

    I said in reality no government will transfer $15B from millions of city voters to a a 1000 landed gentry. instead the government will set up regional bodies responsible for running such programs (and punitively regulating the landed gentry of course), and importantly away from the coast these bodies will get about a tenth of the actual funding needed. Because there will be no votes in it from the city. As soon as the latest fad policy needed funding, such remote programs would get starved.

    You only need to look at the amount of pest and weed control funding national parks get to know such an idea is as
    credible as Tasmanian timber workers getting green jobs.

  49. keep your eye on suburban Mill Park

    And I was casting an eye over Yarra Bend, the Kew side. She’s gunna blow cap’n.

  50. Andre Lewis

    Moreton Island off the Queensland coast has been burning for nearly a week with little effort to contain it as the island is uninhabited save for a resort at one end which was evacuated at one point.
    Yesterday in the state court native title was awarded to the island for two claiming tribes. The court was full of aboriginal people cheering on the decision.
    Odd that those claiming to have owned the land do not live on it and spent days dressed up in court rather than on the island helping to control the fires.

  51. …in “the bush” they are axe wielding serial killers

    True dat. For the last week I’ve been wielding an axe, preparing the remains for future cremation. More axe wielding to come, there are some big bastards that need the chop.

  52. Perfidious Albino

    The State Liberals need to be calling out the increased bushfire risk now and sheeting that home to Andrews and everyone else involved that can be identified, they won’t have the guts when the forests are ablaze and lives on the line, so make the link now.

  53. classical_hero

    iggie is right. The left have no shame and will blame the inevitable on someone else.

  54. areff

    The State Liberals need to be calling out the increased bushfire risk

    Forget it. They live in fear of being branded “climate deniers” or accused of dining on Leadbeaters Possum.

  55. You lost me at “infested with exotic flora and fauna”. Infested, really?

  56. areff

    Had he not lost his blue-ribbon seat, prize doofus John Pesutto would have been state opposition leader, most likely. Here’s how he (and so many other limp-dick libs chart the path back to the government benches):

    Pesutto admitted “a lot of things” went wrong, that the federal leadership crisis “didn’t help” and conceded many voters were turned off by the party’s social and other policies.

    He pointed to his 17-year-old daughter who backed her father’s party, but took part in last week’s climate change protest calling for federal Coalition government action.

    “Even in my own family, I can see the challenges we’ve got [as a party],” he said.

    Pesutto, on election night, opined that, in addition to getting on the climate change wagon, the Libs needed to be big on DV, #metoo and every other Labor-Greens passion.

    They’re useless, hopeless and brainless.

  57. Dr Fred Lenin

    Wonder if andrews realises this will kick the F out of CFMEU,
    They are closing the F out of forestry .
    We should kick the F out of the alp/gangrene Globalists coalition next election if we can find anyone to replace them .
    Didnt there used to be a liberal branch of the Uniparty inVictoria ?

  58. Bronson

    Monty go and do a deer count in your nearest bus leans reserve. You’ll need to take more than your shoes and socks of to count the exotic fauna!

  59. Dan the man Andrews seems to think other people’s money is endless. He now intends to introduce a levy (tax by any other name) to raise up a billion/year for mental health support. Another tax on car or home owners is in the mill (not timber mill, as those will be obsolete).

  60. David Brewer

    Odd that those claiming to have owned the land do not live on it and spent days dressed up in court rather than on the island helping to control the fires.

    Odd indeed. And don’t lefties hate inherited wealth? I remember one of my acquaintance who was hot for 100% death duties. Yet people whose great-great grandparents lived on an island now get to inherit it?

  61. Of course, we’re forgetting that getting rid of the CFA would end a lot of fires. A lot of arsonists are volutneer firefighters.

    From the penal colony of NSWistan:

    https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/rfs-volunteer-charged-with-allegedly-lighting-seven-fires-deliberately-20191127-p53ejo.html

  62. sfw

    Frank, not just volunteers, there are more than a few in the professional ranks as well. I know that for a fact (in Vic at least).

  63. John A

    m0nty #3247027, posted on November 28, 2019 at 1:23 pm

    You lost me at “infested with exotic flora and fauna”. Infested, really?

    Was he referring to Spring Street Parliament House? Has he searched thoroughly for every crook and nanny in the place?
    🙂

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