Open Forum: November 30, 2019

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  1. mh

    He has shown no intention of doing anything different from May.

    I disagree.

    At the end of the day the proof of the pudding will be in the eating.

  2. Juan

    An Australian-style points-based system to control immigration.

    Good grief! What an idiot.

    We have a million Chicoms and a couple of hundred thousand M*sl*ms. A recipe for disaster if I’ve ever seen one.

    It’s been debunked, but very few British voters are listening to the informed sceptics.

  3. Arky

    Not really conservative are they?
    A real conservative manifesto would look like this:
    End all this climate bollocks.
    Cap immigration at zero until the current lot is integrated.
    Leave the EU first, THEN negotiate a trade deal with the slimy pricks.
    Abolish the TV license.
    Roll back government funding of education and training.

  4. Ellie

    For ‘P’ – Shalom, gorgeous. Xx
    Watch “עומר אדם וישי ריבו – הלב שלי – מתוך חזרות לפסטיבל התמר 2019” on YouTube
    https://youtu.be/1dBsJl6gqS4

  5. Delta A

    I hope the surgeons were not watching cricket during the operation.

    I only realised that blunder one nanosecond after I’d hit the ‘post’ button. 🙂

  6. Arky

    At the end of the day the proof of the pudding will be in the eating.

    ..
    There is no pudding.
    These jokers have had since 2016 to do it.
    They are not going to.

  7. Delta A

    Steve trickler
    #3248752, posted on November 30, 2019 at 8:28 pm

    Cheers, Steve.

  8. Knuckle Dragger

    I believe I’ve mentioned this before.

    Those two chicks in the Hilltop Hoods clip are smoking hot, and I mean smoking, Tesla-into-a-tree hot.

    One reminds me of one of the local toppies, who sadly was only there for a fortnight. English lass, a voice that melted your wallet wide open.

  9. Arky

    If there is a pudding, it is a giant turd pudding.

  10. Knuckle Dragger

    And they reckon Paine’s on shaky ground.

    Outstanding grab in front of Burns in the armchair.

    5/89.

  11. jupes

    Paine! What a catch!

    He might want to move first slip a bit further out.

  12. jupes

    It’s been debunked, but very few British voters are listening to the informed sceptics.

    People have been conned because Abbott “stopped the boats”.

    Great effort but pointless if you continue to fly the fuckers in.

  13. Juan

    On social issues Boris leans decidedly to the left:

    When he was Mayor of London he banned ‘anti-gay conversion therapy’ ads from London buses.

    And Boris’s father Stanley Johnson … well read this for yourself:

    1972 was an historic year for the embryonic environmental movement. As well as the UN Conference on the Human Environment, which took place in Stockholm in June of that year, the case for protecting the environment was bolstered by the publication of The Ecologist magazine’s Blueprint for Survival manifesto and the Club of Rome think tank’s seminal book, The Limits to Growth.

    Set against the context of a rapidly increasing population and a growing awareness of humanity’s negative impact on planet Earth, the scientific thinking and analysis that rose to prominence in the early 70s broke new ground and blazed many new trails that we take for granted today.

    As it was, it formed part of a ripple effect that helped move the environmental movement from wilder fringes into the centre of current mainstream thinking.

    In the same year as the above events (1972), Stanley Johnson (born 1940) – writer, environmentalist, former politician and father of Boris, mayor of London, who was six at the time – published The Politics of the Environment. In it, he argued that we needed “stable societies: both in respect of population and output”.

    Born in Penzance and grandson of the last interior minister of the Ottoman empire, Johnson read greats (classics or Latin and ancient Greek) at Oxford. While an undergraduate, he travelled by motorcycle and sidecar with two fellow students from Oxford to Afghanistan via Venice and India, as covered in the 1964 book by Timothy Severin, Tracking Marco Polo.

    It was while working at the World Bank – an international financial institution that provides monetary support to developing nations – in the 1960s that Johnson was first made aware of the scale of the human and environmental problems we face. He became convinced that the continued growth of the world’s population was the most important issue, and that population and family planning programmes should be high on national and international agendas.

    A year after the publication of The Politics of the Environment in 1972 – his sixth book – global population stood just short of 4 billion. It had broken the 3 billion mark in the late 50s, and would go on to pass 5 billion in the late 80s, 6 billion in 1998 and 7 billion in 2012. Current estimates suggest Earth will have 9 billion inhabitants before 2050 and 10 billion by the turn of the century.

    Few would now dispute that Johnson rightly had genuine cause for concern. Providing food and energy for our growing and increasingly affluent population have become some of our most clear and present dangers, and the defining challenges of our generation.

    So much so, that a Royal Society report from April 2012 described how current levels of global consumption would lead to an “unequal and inhospitable future”. Jules Pretty, professor of environment and society at the University of Essex and one of the 23 authors of the report, told Blue & Green Tomorrow at the time that if population and consumption go up simultaneously, we’re in “real trouble”.

    Johnson says, “Given the increases in both population and output since the 1970s, we of course now need to ratchet back both population and output a very long way.”

    By his own admission, Johnson’s interest in population issues “segued into a concern for the environment” in the late 60s and early 70s. His primary motivation was, and still is, “to diminish the impact of the human race and to leave more space for animals and plants that have as much right as human beings to live on this planet.”

    This was a time when the environmental movement, as we now know it, was in its infancy: scientists were beginning to grapple with the idea that human activity was causing climate change. The term ‘global warming’ sounded rather pleasant for residents of notoriously wet and windy places like the UK.

    In 1973, Johnson was appointed the first head of the European commission’s prevention of pollution division. In the 34 years between 1970 and 2004, global greenhouse gas emissions would rise by 70%. It is fair to say his role at the European commission is a lot different – and even more urgent – now.

    “Environmental policies and programmes over the last 40 years have been aimed at holding back the deterioration of the environment and it is indeed possible that without some of these plans and actions, things might be even worse today than they actually are”, he says.

    Johnson’s latest publication – about the UN Environment Programme and called UNEP The First 40 Years; A Narrative – is available free on the UNEP website. It summarises some measures taken at international level, which Johnson says “may have helped stem the tide of environmental destruction”, such as action on ozone layer depletion. However, “most actions”, he says, “are of the ‘too little, too late’ variety.”

    After working at the European commission for six years, Johnson left to pursue a career in politics, becoming Conservative member of the European parliament (MEP) for Wight and Hampshire East in 1979. He held the seat for from 1979 to 1984.

    Just over two decades later, his eldest son Boris would follow in his political footsteps by being elected Conservative MP for Henley – and his third son, Jo, would be elected MP for Orpington in 2010. Boris, of course, is now mayor of London.

    Johnson Sr had two other children by his first wife. Rachel is a former editor of The Lady magazine and a columnist for The Mail on Sunday (Boris and Jo have also had successful careers in journalism) while Leo is a partner at PricewaterhouseCoopers (where Stanley was an adviser), and perhaps the staunchest advocate of environmental and sustainability causes of all four siblings. He has two more children, Julia and Max, by his second wife, Jennifer.

    Stanley Johnson’s experience at the European commission undoubtedly helped him secure the role of vice chair of the environment, public health and consumer protection committee while an MEP. One of his most notable political victories came in 1983, when, a year after he had tabled a draft resolution to the European parliament, the EU banned the import of skins from whitecoat harp seals that were less than two weeks of age.

    The move was seen as a triumph for environmental campaigners, and as such, seal populations increased in line with the seal hunting market’s gradual decline.

    Johnson, though, does not think that politicians are doing enough to tackle the 21st century’s key environmental challenges. He adds, though, “This is simply a reflection of the democratic process. The environmental message has not got across to the electorate.”

    He agrees that these battles are not being helped by the ‘anti-climate’ links that many current UK politicians boast. A World Development Movement (WDM) report from March warned of dozens of worrying links between government ministers and companies that contribute to dangerous climate change.

    Somewhat astonishingly, the WDM revealed that a third of ministers have ties with the big finance and fossil fuels industries that are ramping up greenhouse gases. Foreign secretary William Hague, for example, previously worked for oil giant Shell, and helped Tullow Oil pay off a huge tax bill in Uganda. Meanwhile, the chancellor George Osborne is said to have accepted generous donations from the head of CQS, a hedge fund that finances fossil fuels.

    Osborne has done little in his political career to discourage promoters of this anti-environmental ideology. His most recent budget statement was significantly lacking in environmental measures – and instead, gave tax breaks to shale gas developments and backing to more new roads.

    London Evening Standard columnist Amol Rajan described the environmental credentials of Osborne’s as “pitiful”, and said the coalition’s lethargic approach to anything green was a “betrayal of conservatism itself”.

    Stanley Johnson, though, is proof that being a Conservative is not synonymous with being anti-environment. Indeed, as Rajan pointed out in the article, being a Conservative means being supportive of conservation, aka the environment. Margaret Thatcher was the first global leader to recognise and then address this environmental threat.

    Among Johnson’s environmental heroes is Teddy Goldsmith – the elder brother of the late billionaire financier James. Teddy founded The Ecologist and co-authored A Blueprint for Survival. In the late 90s, his nephew Zac would take the editorial reins at The Ecologist, before becoming a Conservative MP himself in 2010 – albeit with an inherently deep green streak. Meanwhile, Zac’s younger brother Ben is co-founder of WHEB Partners, whose Sustainability Fund invests in businesses that are tackling the most urgent social and environmental challenges.

    Johnson attempted a political relaunch in the 2005 general election, when, aged 65, he contested the Teignbridge parliamentary seat for the Conservatives, only to lose out to the Lib Dems. The Conservatives last narrowly held the seat in 1997, against a rising Lib Dem insurgency.

    He now spends much of his time on Exmoor, where the Johnsons have farmed for over six decades. He travels widely and continues to write about environmental and wildlife issues, which are still very much at the forefront of his mind.

    “As far as economics are concerned”, he says, “we have to get away from this ‘let’s go for growth’ mindset.”

    Stanley Johnson is also a former chairman of the Gorilla Organisation and a former board member of Plantlife International. He is the recipient of the RSPCA’s award for outstanding service to animal welfare and Greenpeace’s award for outstanding service to the environment and won the Newdigate Prize for Poetry in 1962. He has had nine novels published, one of which – The Commissioner – was made into a film, starring John Hurt. In September this year, he will be climbing Kilimanjaro (for the second time) to raise money for Exeter College, Oxford’s 700th anniversary appeal.

  14. jupes

    I think the Pakis will be following on.

  15. Juan

    People have been conned because Abbott “stopped the boats”.

    But it’s apparently okay if people arrive by plane and then claim asylum, because:

    “If you’ve hopped onto a plane, you’ve got travel documents. We know who you are,”

  16. 2dogs

    If you’ve hopped onto a plane, you’ve got travel documents. We know who you are

    And, importantly, can be returned.

  17. Juan

    I believe I’ve mentioned this before.

    Those two chicks in the Hilltop Hoods clip are smoking hot, and I mean smoking, Tesla-into-a-tree hot.

    Careful saying that around Arky. He doesn’t like anything which objectifies women, and worse still if someone has a wet dream about it! 🤣

    [Ah, don’t be offended Arky, I’m just teasing!]

  18. Knuckle Dragger

    Arky’s a Kiwi, Juan.

    Therefore, his arguments are irrelevant.

  19. classical_hero

    We have to put KD on suicide watch after today’s effort by Warner.

  20. Juan

    If you’ve hopped onto a plane, you’ve got travel documents. We know who you are

    And, importantly, can be returned.

    But when it takes over two years to process the asylum claim, that’s effectively handing out a two year working visa with no questions asked.

  21. Knuckle Dragger

    The Sun even shines on a dog’s arse some days, hero.

    I will watch. And wait.

  22. Arky

    Just remember: while you are destroying your ability to make it with a woman by pleasuring yourself over online dumbshits, someone is rooting your wife.

  23. Arky

    Not me though.
    My time of rooting as many Australian’s wives as possible is over.
    I am a changed man.

  24. Arky

    Also that accent keeps you awake:
    ..


  25. bundyrum

    Juan at 9.17pm
    You pulled me for political left & right, you seem to know everything…explain left & right politics in Australia please, what is centre right etc?

  26. Knuckle Dragger:

    Captain Obvious moment.
    Prison beds do not have a finite end quantum, unlike the number of Maltesers in a packet.
    Packet is empty. Get more Maltesers.
    Prisons are full. Build more fucking prisons you dolts.

    Or make them more efficient by giving the prisoners shit food, putting them onto hard labour regimes, whatever.
    But stop treating them as law abiding citizens with luxury rights!
    Heard Island needs some heavy duty rock breaking done on it. They can desilt our dams with wheelbarrows and shovels. They can dig tunnels to divert rivers back inland.
    The prisoners did all this stuff 200 years ago, why not now?
    And if there’s a war, well they can take the risk of making a minefield engineers first mistake.

  27. Juan

    You pulled me for political left & right

    Sorry, you’ve lost me.

    I personally don’t think the concept of left–right political spectrum, originating as it did in France in 1789, is very useful in 2019. It’s intellectual shorthand and subject to interpretation, and it should be treated as such, rather than as something definitive.

  28. Eyrie

    I presume the Toowoomba Mayor has heard of the Internet?
    Fined $14,000 for unethical behaviour and didn’t resign. Tells you all you need to know about his moral compass.
    Keen on fawning over the third world getting citizenship.

  29. Juan:
    Right/Left is now a useless categorisation. The best one is Collective/Individualist.

  30. Dr Faustus

    The arsehole tendency of UK social media is now running with:

    – Police execute captured man on London Bridge;
    – Being a black man with a beard makes you a target for government death squads.

    Perhaps a limited understanding that there are consequences for dressing up as a suicide bomber.

    Fortunately, Lord Mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, is promptly out and cooling down the politics:

    First is yesterday we saw the very best of Londoners, but also, secondly, we’ve got to make sure the right lessons are learnt. You can’t disaggregate terrorism and security from cuts made to resources of the police, of probation, the tools that judges have. It’s all linked.

    He’s right.
    All of it. Somehow linked.

  31. bundyrum

    I posted about Credlin saying the LNP was centre right, you responded saying it was a different view of what centre right was, it was on the OT,
    I am simply asking you what is right wing & what is left wing.
    I personally do not think the LNP is of the right of politics, if anything they are a left party.
    Convince me otherwise.

  32. bundyrum

    Above post was for Juan…sorry for any confusion.

  33. Juan

    The best one is Collective/Individualist.

    Except we all get to see lots of individualists who suddenly want to meddle in other people’s lives because this or that really matters to them. It’s often the triggers for what makes them want to meddle which then returns us to the left-right political spectrum for an easy way to explain their motivations.

    That’s also why I’ve said I admire David Leyonhjelm for his absolutely consistent libertarianism, even though I personally wouldn’t subscribe to his views on, say, the absolute right to own guns and the legalisation of illicit drugs.

  34. Juan:

    Except we all get to see lots of Individualists who suddenly want to meddle in other people’s lives because this or that really matters to them. It’s often the triggers for what makes them want to meddle which then returns us to the left-right political spectrum for an easy way to explain their motivations.

    If they want to meddle in others lives, then they are not Individualists.
    Calling themselves Individualists does not make them so. Collectivists are just bunging it on if they think they can get away with it. Changing a words meaning is a classic collectivist trait to confuse others – there are many examples of this – Collectivists never argue in good faith.
    If I call myself a woman, it does not make me so.
    If I call you a Blonde Headed Stompy Wompy Real Gone Surfer Boy, it doesn’t mean you can ride a surfboard.
    And if I call you a Religion of Peace adherent, it doesn’t turn you into a model citizen who helps little old ladies across pedestrian crossings.
    Language is a weapon and the Collectivists wield it well.

  35. Overburdened

    Being a patriotic Lil Aussie I can’t let the questioning of my allegiances stand.

    https://youtu.be/E7AFfJFJhtE

    This is 6 minutes long, so I watched it using the stop/ start method.

    It is necessary to take the time to understand the Australian psyche, which is why you will see the same image for nearly 2 minutes.

    If Catallaxy contributors are not yet familiar with Big Lez and his cohort, I would encourage a bit of research to understand the diversity of the Australian public discourse.

  36. Juan

    I posted about Credlin saying the LNP was centre right, you responded saying it was a different view of what centre right was, it was on the OT,
    I am simply asking you what is right wing & what is left wing.
    I personally do not think the LNP is of the right of politics, if anything they are a left party.
    Convince me otherwise.

    An in depth discussion may have to wait for another day; but let me leave you with a few thoughts.

    In any two-party system – Australia, US, UK, etc. – both major parties must necessarily be broad churches bringing together disparate interests under one banner. That means for the ‘right wing’ major party structure you will have a range of views from the somewhat right wing to the very right wing. This holds true for the Liberal-Nationals Coalition. There are unquestionably some people in its ranks with impeccable ‘right wing’ credentials – Craig Kelly, Kevin Andrews, Eric Abetz, Jim Molun, Matt Canavan, and Andrew Hastie, to name but a few – so if it’s not a ‘right wing’ party, it’s a party in which ‘right wing’ types can make a home to advance their cause.

    Something else to ponder, ‘right wing’ means different things to different sectors of society. A Christian conservative is ‘right wing’, as is the Chairman of Harvey Norman; but the former will object to Sunday trading because it’s sacrilege for businesses to make money on what they view as a holy day, while the latter wants to trade on every day possible, including Sundays, to maximise his return on equity. In a two-party system they will both coalesce in the same party but both won’t get what they want. History tells us the Christian conservatives lost that battle to their mercantilist conservative confrères.

  37. Overburdened

    …and as is typical, foreigners try to impose their cultural imperialism into our society.

    FTOC is a propaganda device to show that resistance is useless to the kiwi onslaught.

  38. Overburdened

    Let’s try FOTC.

    I had trouble translating it from Ngapui.

  39. bundyrum

    Juan, methinks you try to confuse, you seem to be one of those all knowing sages, no answers just a show of confusing everyone with your brilliance.
    I think you are full of shit, my personal opinion only.

  40. Juan

    Juan, methinks you try to confuse, you seem to be one of those all knowing sages, no answers just a show of confusing everyone with your brilliance.
    I think you are full of shit, my personal opinion only.

    And the wonderful thing about living in Australia is you have every right to think that and to say that. 😉

    On a more serious note, the point of intellectual discussion shouldn’t be to provide answers. It should be to distill myriad ideas and to help frame thinking so each of us can find our own answers.

  41. Overburdened

    https://www.news.com.au/sport/boxing/anthony-mundine-vs-john-wayne-parr-from-brisbanes-convention-centre/live-coverage/c7cdec0196cf72c60314a2c223bf3566

    In he meantime, Mundine can retire knowing he was good in the day and he would never have been able to beat Parr at any stage of his career if Parr had been allowed to use elbows, kicks and knees.

    Credit where it is due. Most of Mundine’s critics wouldn’t know shit from clay about codified martial practice. Boxing is a very hard gig.

    Parr has taken it on over the years and is acknowledged widely as a bloke with great talent and strength of character.

  42. bundyrum

    Juan,
    The people on this site have been sadly missing your wonderfulness for all these years.
    I am so happy that you have found us & can impart your wisdom.

  43. Overburdened

    Yairnahyairnah gettin a lil deep there Juan.

  44. Overburdened

    Gotta run with Bundyrum on this one just sayin, but I don’t think that about you myself.

  45. Juan:

    In any two-party system – Australia, US, UK, etc. – both major parties must necessarily be broad churches bringing together disparate interests under one banner.

    We have two Collectivist Parties in Australia so your theory falls at the first hurdle.
    So where is the representation for the Individualists?
    There isn’t any – or should I say that mass politics has rendered the Individualists voiceless?

  46. bundyrum

    This guy Juan comes across as an I know everything type, he looks down on all, i think he is a politician.

  47. Leigh Lowe

    Knuckle Dragger

    #3248737, posted on November 30, 2019 at 8:16 pm

    I could see what was coming, so I had a nap. Awoke to find the prophecy had come to pass.

    I will never forgive the ranga, Delta. Never ever. If he made 2500 Test runs in the next calendar year I couldn’t forgive the little weasel.

    He may be able to hold the stick as the world’s best flat track bully, but he’s a cheating cock, has been for years and deserves to be set on fire.

    Heresy warning: Bradman was without doubt the world’s best at what he did, but he was also a gigantic cock.

    I will loathe that midget fuck for the rest of his days. Not MY days, HIS days, because I will also outlive the Lambo driving wrong-footer, and make a final pilgrimage to his grave so I can piss on it.

    So.
    Not a huge fan, then?

  48. jupes

    That means for the ‘right wing’ major party structure you will have a range of views from the somewhat right wing to the very right wing. This holds true for the Liberal-Nationals Coalition.

    Lol.

    How can a party that embraces climate change, homo marriage, M*sl*m and Chicom immigration, diversity in the military, gender equity in business, ABC funding, a Voice to parliament, the closing of Ayers Rock and hundreds of billions in foreign aid be described as “right wing”? Those are all Greens’ policies!

    You idiot.

  49. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    This guy Juan comes across as an I know everything type, he looks down on all, i think he is a politician.

    Not a retired schoolteacher? We had one of those.

  50. Neil

    But it’s apparently okay if people arrive by plane and then claim asylum, because:

    Most are foreign students. There are 600,000 foreign students legally here getting a University degree. Education for foreign students is big business for Universities. After flying in on a student visa some apply for asylum because they like it here. Education for foreign students is a rort to get permanent residency.

  51. Hazmatic

    There were two critical battles in South Vietnam that affected Australian policy in Vietnam, that nobody has ever heard of.

    The first was the destruction of the ARVN 32nd Regiment in Tay Ninh Province next to the Cambodian Border in 1960

    The second the Battle of Nam Dong adjacent to the Laotian border that occurred in 1964.

    The articles of faith for every Australian leftist regarding the ‘American War’ in Vietnam include:

    The ‘American War’ was instigated by the USA.
    Kindly Uncle Ho, a nationalist, led a peasant army that eventually defeated that superpower.
    Australia was led by the nose by the United States into that war.
    Australian conscripts were used as cannon fodder to prosecute the ‘American War.’
    This had far reaching effects including the rise of the Khmer Rouge due to the populace of Cambodia being driven mad from the onslaught of B-52 bombing in 1970 that resulted in a genocide that claimed 2 Million lives post 1975.

    All of it bullshit. I hope to counter a few of those points using those critical battles as a starting point. I hope to break it into parts because TLDNR. But first some scene setting to take us through to the 50’s.
    The single greatest Australian Military catastrophe was the defeat and loss of the entire 8th Division 2nd AIF in 1942. The victory of the most accomplished General of the 20th century, General Yamashita was nothing short of amazing. With 30,000 troops, battle hardened from fighting in China he launched the most successful amphibious operation of WW2. With 30,000 men under command he accepted the surrender of 80,000 on 15 February 1942 at Singapore. The largest surrender of British-led personnel in history. Those who survived those battles in Malaya, Singapore and places like Ambon had low odds of surviving their captivity in the hands of the Japanese.

    Off topic. It was incredibly sad to finally see what was a well telegraphed death of Clive James this week. That was sad – in a simple way but a great loss to us all. His father’s death was tragic in a complex heartbreaking way. James’ father was an 8th Div POW. Having beaten slim odds to survive the war he was tragically killed in an aircraft accident while being repatriated to Australia.

    The defeat of the 8th Division was launched from occupied French Indochina. The aircraft that sank the last credible Royal Navy opposition flew from airfields in the Mekong Delta. General Yamashita “The Lion of Malaya” shipped from Saigon Harbour. It was recognised early that forward defence of Australia had three strategic pinch points. Indochina, Singapore and Papua New Guinea. With the massive assistance of our American Allies, Australian troops defeated the Japanese firstly at Milne Bay and then at Kokoda.
    Australia’s strategic priorities of attacking Singapore did not coincide with the US Campaigns planned through the South West and Central Pacific. To work towards those Australian strategic goals we allied with the UK. The joint UK/Australian action against Singapore by ‘Z Special Unit’ in the famous ‘Operation Jaywick’ raid. (Militarily successful but unleashed absolute hell and a Japanese pogrom against ethnic Chinese in Singapore when the Japanese blamed them for the carnage. Unintended consequences that should be acknowledged.

    Z Special Unit also conducted operations against Indochina in 1945. The first Australians on active service to die in what is now Vietnam were Flying Officer John Schmidt from Liberator KM278 on 22 January 1945 and Flight Sergeant Robert Pryor in Liberator EW 188, south of Hue on 25 February 1945. Although flying US Aircraft these members of the RAAF were crew of RAF bombers flying out of Bangladesh pursuing British and Australian strategic aims. One of the awful tragedies inherent in warfare is that Schmidt and Pryor flying for Mountbatten’s SEAC (Save Every Asian Colony) were most likely shot down by USAAF Northrop P-61 Black Widow Night fighters operating out of Southern China who using cutting edge radar equipment never knew who they were actually killing… Friendly fire is not something new.
    Pryor and Schmidt’s remains have never been recovered. I hope that one day they are. They should be remembered because their sacrifice personifies the fact that Australia, while necessarily always reliant on ‘great and powerful friends’ has always adopted an independent strategic outlook. The fall of Singapore shook us to our core. Vietnam was part of that.

    By 1946 a soldier had hung. Yamashita the “Tiger of Malaya” was executed because it was determined that he bore a collective guilt for the crimes committed by his subordinates. Before he swung Yamashita blessed his executioner. Ironically, I was given my copy Deane Potter’s ‘A Soldier must Hang’ by a good mate of Gerry Cudmore the 1 RAR Chaplain 1965-66. An epic bloke.

    By 1946 Ho Chi Minh had declared unilateral independence for Vietnam. He wasn’t elected he just declared it. Indochina at that time was divided into North and South. As it always had been. The Chinese had responsibility for the North half and Mountbatten was responsible for the Southern half. Partition between Tonking and Cochin China was nothing new.

    The Viet Minh had the best organisation and the most guns of all the various nationalist factions that opposed the French. The Viet Minh pretended not to be communist led. The pogrom that the Viet Minh let loose on their political rivals (Including against the trots who were dominant in the South was epic) Total carnage. Ngo Dinh Khoi was the most serious non-communist rival to Ho Chi Minh. In 1945 the communists captured him buried him to his neck in sand and smashed his head in with the shovels.
    In spite of putting an ice pick into every political rival kindly Uncle Ho and his Viet Minh achieved nothing militarily between the declaration of independence in 1945 and the Chinese Communist victory of 1949.

    I’ll cover the 50’s next…

    Suffice to say – The ‘American War’ in Vietnam was not instigated by the USA.
    Kindly, Uncle Ho, was a communist first and a nationalist when it suited him.
    Australia had sound independent strategic reasons for ensuring a stable, secure and prosperous region. Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia were critical to this. As colonies of France or otherwise.

    TBC…

  52. Steve trickler

    He lives.

    I thought he might be in a dungeon, somewhere.



  53. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    This had far reaching effects including the rise of the Khmer Rouge due to the populace of Cambodia being driven mad from the onslaught of B-52 bombing in 1970 that resulted in a genocide that claimed 2 Million lives post 1975.

    Welcome back, Hazmatic.

    You refer to the B-52 bombing of North Vietnamese supply dumps, and the Ho Chi Minh trail, in Cambodia, established in clear violation of Cambodian neutrality?

  54. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Ngo Dinh Khoi was the most serious non-communist rival to Ho Chi Minh. In 1945 the communists captured him buried him to his neck in sand and smashed his head in with the shovels.

    Any other Nationalist rivals to dear, kindly old Uncle Ho were either betrayed to the French, murdered, or purged after 1954. There was no attempt at a coalition, or broad front of nationalist parties- there was only ever going to be one model for an independent North Vietnam.

  55. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Ngo Dinh Khoi was the most serious non-communist rival to Ho Chi Minh. In 1945 the communists captured him buried him to his neck in sand and smashed his head in with the shovels.

    Ngo Dinh Khoi – indeed- elder brother of one Ngo Dinh Diem – who went on to come far closer to crushing the Viet Cong insurgency then he was ever given credit for.

    Time on my hands in retirement, I’m reading Arthur J Dommen’s monumental work on Nationalism and Communism in Cambodia, Laos and Vietnam. Good reading.

  56. Mark A

    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
    #3248856, posted on November 30, 2019 at 11:36 pm

    This guy Juan comes across as an I know everything type, he looks down on all, i think he is a politician.

    Not a retired schoolteacher? We had one of those.

    Reminds me of iampeter in a polite version.

  57. Davey Boy

    More on the proposed $10k cash ban law.

    The Senate enquiry received more than 2600 submissions but only 130 have been published, as described previously for the ones that weren’t published each author got an email reply saying that their submission had been “treated as correspondence”, in other words pis s right off.

    Why? Have a look at this video to see how the Senate Committee came up with a bullshit reason that “if a submission included material extraneous to the proposed law, that submission was not considered”. Have a “laugh” at the behaviour of the Committee Secretary behind this, as described in the video.

    Senate inquiries are supposed to allow for people, members of the great unwashed public for instance, who might actually know something, to identify unintended consequences and explore impacts of proposed laws that the bureaucrats might have overlooked, for example.

    But not here. The $10k cash ban law has all the hallmarks of a being a law that our betters want to push through whilst giving the appearance of “consultation”. The $10 cash ban Committee Secretary is coping some well-deserved heat now that this behaviour is being exposed.

  58. egg_

    This guy Juan comes across as an I know everything type, he looks down on all

    Sock drawer.

  59. zyconoclast

    I wonder what the most important part about this incident is?

    The Hague stabbing: Three injured on shopping street aged 13-15

    The three victims of a stabbing attack on a shopping street in the Dutch city of The Hague on Friday were two girls aged 15 and a boy of 13.

    None of the victims knew each other and police are still hunting a male suspect, with no clue as yet to motive.

    The victims have now been released from hospital.

    Images and videos on social media showed dozens of Black Friday shoppers running away from the scene after the attacker struck at 19:45 (18:45 GMT).

    The victims have not been named but were described as a 13-year-old boy from The Hague, a 15-year-old girl from Alphen aan den Rijn and another 15-year-old girl from Leiderdorp.

    ‘Motive unclear’
    The incident happened at the Hudson’s Bay store in the city’s Grote Marktstraat, or main market square.

    Police have urged the public to contact them if they witnessed the attack. Officials have also asked anyone with images or footage of the attack to send it to the police.

    An initial description of the suspect suggested police were looking for a man aged between 45 to 50 wearing a grey tracksuit.

    In a later update, Hague police said that description was wrong but have given few further details about the incident.

    They said in a statement: “We are using all the means at our disposal – both visible and invisible – to find the suspect of this incident as quickly as possible.

    “The motive of the suspect is as yet unclear.”

    The city’s Deputy Mayor Boudewijn Revis told de Volkskrant: “On a night when a lot of people do their shopping in one of our busiest shopping streets, something so terrible happens.”

  60. Hazmatic

    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
    #3248865, posted on December 1, 2019 at 12:31 am
    Ngo Dinh Khoi was the most serious non-communist rival to Ho Chi Minh. In 1945 the communists captured him buried him to his neck in sand and smashed his head in with the shovels.

    Ngo Dinh Khoi – indeed- elder brother of one Ngo Dinh Diem – who went on to come far closer to crushing the Viet Cong insurgency then he was ever given credit for.

    Time on my hands in retirement, I’m reading Arthur J Dommen’s monumental work on Nationalism and Communism in Cambodia, Laos and Vietnam. Good reading.

    Well I haven’t read Dommen or heard of him. So I shall. Thanks.

    The best account of the 1940’s in Vietnam in English is by a remarkable soldier scholar from ANU. Ex US Marine Vietnam Veteran now established as an absolute authority on the rise of the Viet Communists.

    Not kidding ‘David Marr’.

    Absolute authority.

    Ngo Dinh Diem. Biggest US mistake of the war. The plan was to put him in a VIP DC-6 and ferret him away to Manilla. Keeping him in reserve. Plane went U/S in the Philippines and there wasn’t a plan B. Even given several suitcases of cash and strict instructions not to kill him by Lucien Conein they reverted to form. Result shabby stabby death in the back of an APC. Prior preparation and planning prevents…

    The Poms knew how to pull of a properly planned coup. Compare what they did with Said bin Taimur with what the US did with Ngo Dinh Diem. Regime change? Poms every time. Seamlessly.

    The US conduct in Vietnam is not above criticism…

    Which neatly segues into the 50’s and the time that somebody loaned Lucien Conein a slouch hat in 1954…

  61. Cold-Hands

    I hope Boris is better

    ..
    Why? He is a mop headed wanker of the most progressive kind.

    Boris’s environmental policies would place him to the left of Labor if he ran for office in Australia.

    Unfortunately, the only certain thing is that Corbyn would be worse.

  62. Mitch M.

    Deutsche Bank is doomed

  63. Knuckle Dragger

    Couple of hours at the pub watching the meth tweakers go berko winning $1.80 on the pokies, before a Big Lez Show marathon on the Tube. Both are required watching for every Australian.

    Warner, first thing out of its smarmy gob in the presser:

    ‘Yeah, obviously it’s a great achievement’

  64. 2dogs

    Not really conservative are they?

    Just getting the UK out of the EU is the most important thing for now.

    After that happens, and the result is actually good for the UK, people will start to question those who predicted it would be a disaster.

    They will question what else those supposed experts have been lying about.

    Then they will start seeing the cracks in the climate change argument.

  65. Mark A

    2dogs
    #3248876, posted on December 1, 2019 at 4:02 am

    Not really conservative are they?

    Just getting the UK out of the EU is the most important thing for now.

    After that happens, and the result is actually good for the UK, people will start to question those who predicted it would be a disaster.

    They will question what else those supposed experts have been lying about.

    Then they will start seeing the cracks in the climate change argument.

    I personally can’t see too much trouble for the UK.
    They handled their own affairs and economy for some time before the the EU, I’m sure they can do it again.

    Short term boycott by the EU, out of spite may happen but I’m sure the economic reality of such an action will make them think.

  66. Eyrie

    Juan
    #3248836, posted on November 30, 2019 at 10:23 pm

    ” The best one is Collective/Individualist.

    Except we all get to see lots of individualists who suddenly want to meddle in other people’s lives because this or that really matters to them. It’s often the triggers for what makes them want to meddle which then returns us to the left-right political spectrum for an easy way to explain their motivations.

    That’s also why I’ve said I admire David Leyonhjelm for his absolutely consistent libertarianism, even though I personally wouldn’t subscribe to his views on, say, the absolute right to own guns and the legalisation of illicit drugs.”

    Such as those individualists who want to tell people which guns they are allowed to own if they have a “legitimate reason” or what they can put in their bodies. They aren’t individualists, they are filthy statists.

  67. Mater

    In spite of putting an ice pick into every political rival kindly Uncle Ho and his Viet Minh achieved nothing militarily between the declaration of independence in 1945 and the Chinese Communist victory of 1949.

    Just as an interesting adjunct, Dr. Salvador De Madariaga wrote this in 1951:

    This importance of the Communist sector in both France and Italy renders more complex and delicate the problem of Europe’s political, economic, and military defence.

    Marseilles waterside workers, bamboozled by their Communist leaders, have been known to throw into the sea valuable war material eagerly awaited by their countrymen who were fighting the Communists in Vietnam.

    In several harbours of the Atlantic sea-front the Communist-led dockers tried to sabotage the landing of American supplies.

    Dr Salvador de Madariaga – (23 July 1886 – 14 December 1978) was a Spanish diplomat, writer, historian, pacifist and one-time President of the Council of the League of Nations. He was nominated for the Nobel Prize in Literature, and the Nobel Peace Prize. He lived in exile in Spain since Franco seized power.

  68. Mater

    Sorry, that should have read that he lived in exile FROM Spain (England) since Franco seized power.

  69. Entropy

    That’s also why I’ve said I admire David Leyonhjelm for his absolutely consistent libertarianism, even though I personally wouldn’t subscribe to his views on, say, the absolute right to own guns and the legalisation of illicit drugs.”

    That must be why he voted for legiskation like gay marriage then. When he should have been voting for removal of any legislation that kets government have any say at all in the bedroom. Or the time ina fit of pique he did not turn up to vote on legislation that expanded the role of government. In truth he is a faux libertarian.

  70. Nob

    Mark A
    #3248879, posted on December 1, 2019 at 5:31 am
    2dogs
    #3248876, posted on December 1, 2019 at 4:02 am

    I personally can’t see too much trouble for the UK

    Me neither.

    For all its faults, it’s an easier and better place to start and run a business than Australia these days.

    Ever since Thatcher, really.

    Insistence on getting a detailed “deal” before they’d even left the EU had been little more than an obstruction tactic by Remainers.

  71. Tel

    Short term boycott by the EU, out of spite may happen but I’m sure the economic reality of such an action will make them think.

    They have put themselves in a position where they must be spiteful as “punishment” to teach the other countries to get in line. It’s going to be painful, but from Australia’s perspective good for business, and it might eventually occur to the British that the EU don’t much like them, they only liked the big payments coming in.

  72. calli

    I see Doomie is moonlighting at a theme park.

    Thanks, Tom.

  73. calli

    Greetings from Machu Pichu. I am staying here at the Inkaterra. It’s in the middle of a lovely orchid garden.

    Wandered around the archeological site this morning after catching the train up. It is sublime. If you want to visit, this is the best time of year as it was nearly empty. It must go on the list.

  74. Mark A

    LOL smiting. 😂

    Good pickup there, I saw it but didn’t make the connection.
    Slow I am.

  75. miltonf

    The tim tam episode and the recent spiteful attack on old age pensioners (what an easy target) sums up DL for me.

  76. Tel

    The Viet Minh had the best organisation and the most guns of all the various nationalist factions that opposed the French. The Viet Minh pretended not to be communist led. The pogrom that the Viet Minh let loose on their political rivals (Including against the trots who were dominant in the South was epic) Total carnage. Ngo Dinh Khoi was the most serious non-communist rival to Ho Chi Minh. In 1945 the communists captured him buried him to his neck in sand and smashed his head in with the shovels.

    You missed an important piece of the puzzle … it was the US Office of Strategic Services who initially trained and supplied the Viet Minh and that’s why they didn’t want to look too Communist at the time. Uncle Ho himself just wanted power by whatever means necessary, but when the Americans were tooling him up he was happy to look like a freedom fighter, then later when he needed help from China he was happy to be a Communist for them.

    Take note of the Office of Strategic Services logo which is an Ace of Spades merged into a tied up bundle of sticks. The fasces was quite a common component of US official insignia before WWII, but lost popularity later when they wanted to distance themselves from the losers.

  77. Mater

    The tim tam episode and the recent spiteful attack on old age pensioners (what an easy target) sums up DL for me.

    Saying that a person could theoretically be living in a $60 million dollar house and still claim the pension, was just stupid (rates alone would be >$180,000). It showed severe tunnel vision.

  78. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Wandered around the archeological site this morning after catching the train up

    You can do that, get a train? Suddenly the whole thing sounds more appealing, Calli, and your recommendation counts for a lot. OK, it is now back on the list! 🙂

    We had put it off as the crowds and the getting up there seemed a turn-off.
    Enjoy the day there, or longer if you are taking more time.

  79. struth

    DL is just another ex lefty who sat down and read a book on freedom after having his stash confiscated by the police . His great stands on freedom are selective and reminiscent of the MSM self interest in caalling for free speech while wanting the government to regulate it elsewhere.
    DL is at best confused and not real bright or unfortunately I believe, his left wing tendancies to collectively judge and his inability to keep his envy in check have been the cause of his demise.

  80. struth

    Looks like a scene from Jurassic Park, Calli.
    Let’s hope you only encounter Sam Neill.

  81. Snoopy

    TheirABC

    Solicitor Vajahat Sharif has questioned whether enough was done to “deradicalise” Khan during the eight years he spent in prison.

    The ABC understands Khan did attend anti-terror workshops while in prison, but Mr Sharif argues he needed more targeted assistance.

    Targeted assistance? Better late than never, I suppose.

  82. struth

    With names like Vaginahat Sharif and Khan, good lord……we’re not talking about Enid Blyton’s England anymore.

  83. Eyrie

    “Sharif argues he needed more targeted assistance.”
    yeah, a .45 bullet right between the eyes.

  84. Mark A

    Eyrie
    #3248901, posted on December 1, 2019 at 7:53 am

    “Sharif argues he needed more targeted assistance.”
    yeah, a .45 bullet right between the eyes.

    Come to think of it, that’s exactly what he’s got.
    Not sure about the caliber tho.

  85. struth

    And another indisputable fact is that those in government that are not and have not been actively anti mooooooooosie immigration has the blood of their countrymen on their murderous traitorous hands.

  86. min

    Welcome to summer. BoM predict hot ,hot temperatures . This week here only in the teens in fact quite chilly now.

  87. Shy Ted

    From WIP, thanks Tom, comments, this little beauty. I reckon it’s going to be one of many to come with a heroic Trump but also a new theme with dimmocrats being portrayed as weaklings. Gonna be fun.

  88. Mater

    Welcome to summer. BoM predict hot ,hot temperatures . This week here only in the teens in fact quite chilly now

    Bloody cold, here. Right now, a soaring temperature of 8 degrees.

  89. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    Don’t fret Min.
    Here in the Eastern States it will soon be hot enough, and dry enough, to validate the BoM’s dire predictions. Of course, overnight temperature will plummet to record lows, but this inconvenient fact will be conveniently overlooked and under reported by the MSM.

  90. Shy Ted

    Must admit I was quite astonished when I saw the interview of one of the heroes of the London Bridge attack. On the surface a real beta male with hipster glasses, grungy appearance and dangly earring. Can’t seem to locate a link but then came across this. It’s a strange world.

  91. Juan

    Wandered around the archeological site this morning after catching the train up

    You can do that, get a train?

    You can travel on the Hiram Bingham, operated by the owner of the Orient-Express. 😉

  92. Juan

    They have put themselves in a position where they must be spiteful as “punishment” to teach the other countries to get in line. It’s going to be painful, but from Australia’s perspective good for business, and it might eventually occur to the British that the EU don’t much like them, they only liked the big payments coming in.

    Italexit and Frexit as propositions are friendless at the moment:

    Le Pen’s Rassemblement National revises stance towards EU and the euro

    Salvini denies plans to leave the euro

    The catch-22 for Le Pen and Salvini is support for leaving the EU and euro is most likely to be found among older voters, who are also recipients of fixed state pensions.

    They may want to leave the EU but they also want their pensions paid in euros because they fear a loss of purchasing power if their fixed pensions were converted and then paid in new francs or new lira. If anyone remembers the old lira you might appreciate their concerns.

    Salvini: 🤷‍♂️
    Le Pen: 🤷‍♀️

  93. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I will fund your activity if you include the following thousands in your urinal offensive ..
    Malcolm’s egregious fetid spawn.
    Everybody from the Eastern Suburbs —excepting Dame Lizzie — but noting that your time for evacuation is short Maam.
    Victorians, South Brisbane public servants,
    Oh fukit! Just piss on all of them and let God sort them out.

    OK, Bubbles, I will call Cassie and a few others when the evacuation notice arrives.
    God is too busy to be bothered with the details before he smites so I will do my bit and save those I can in benighted lands where slothful ignorance reigns with Veblenesque displays of diamonds at tennis.

    Dame Lizzie – yes, it has a certain dignitas, and Ma’am sits well sometimes too.
    Even though I can still occasionally get Mademoiselle in France.
    Must be my perky expression.

    You don’t think Dame is a little ageing, do you? she enquires anxiously. 😀

  94. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Deutsche Bank is doomed

    the entire west is doomed

  95. areff

    Lizzie, nothing wrong with ‘dame’

  96. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    They may want to leave the EU but they also want their pensions paid in euros

    Thank the Lord for the British pound then. It stands alone, rise or fall.
    The Brits can take care of it themselves post-Brexit.
    No Deal, no EU payments, and trade with the world.
    They’ve been through this before: here’s a little history.

  97. Juan

    Recommended Sunday reading …

    Zimbabwe: the secrets behind Mugabe’s demise:

    From the rise of “Gucci Grace” to the fall of “Comrade Bob”, to Emmerson Mnangagwa’s incredible escape, the book ‘Secrets of history’ recounts the riveting story of the presidential couple’s last weeks in power.

    Grace Mugabe is hardly ever seen leaving her private villa in Mount Pleasant, in the upscale suburb of Harare, where she has taken refuge with her daughter, Bona, after deserting the cursed Blue Roof mansion. The last time people saw her in public since the coup d’état of November 14, 2017 was just under two months ago, at the family funeral of her husband, Robert Mugabe.

    After refusing an official state funeral and burial at the Capital’s Heroes’ Square for her husband, Grace led the funeral procession to Kutama Cemetery, where the father of independence was born 95 years earlier. “If she doesn’t come out anymore, it’s because she’s afraid of being stoned to death,” believes one of Zimbabwe’s many critics of Grace.

    “Wrong,” retorts one of the few MPs who still dares to associate with her: “If she lives in a recluse, it is because she can no longer bear to feel the presence of those who betrayed her husband”.

    Political life in Zimbabwe is similar to the plot of Game of Thrones, with spectacular outbursts of public anger by actors who accuse each other of the worst deeds.

    In exchange for dropping legal proceedings against her – which was demanded by many Zimbabweans – Grace Mugabe agreed to remain silent and to withdraw from the world. The opaque elite who have governed this country for four decades stand united. When you can’t kill yourself, you make compromises.

    Boeing shopping trip

    The secret story of Grace’s rise following Robert Mugabe’s fall is told by Zimbabwean journalist and writer Douglas Rogers in a detailed investigation published on the second anniversary of Operation Restore Legacy (Two Weeks in November, London, Short Books). It begins one day in the austral winter of 2014.

    At an extraordinary meeting of the Zanu-PF Central Committee, President Mugabe announces his decision to appoint the first lady to head the female branch of the ruling party and her subsequent entry into the political bureau. Among Zanu-PF loyalists, many of whom were former liberation fighters, they’re aware of the influence that the former secretary has over the leader who is forty-one years her senior.

    They’re also aware of her escapades. “Gucci Grace” has a taste for luxury, an eruptive temperament and enjoys lavish shopping trips to London and Singapore aboard the presidential Boeing. Everyone fears and, silently, disapproves of her appointment.

    The first lady acts like a second president. She summons ministers, attends hearings with a notebook in her hand, and appoints members of her own stable – the “Generation 40” (G40) – to head local federations. The group’s composed of ambitious politicians who were too young to have participated in the glorious “chimurenga” – the armed struggle.

    It’s led by the Minister of Higher Education, Jonathan Moyo, an unscrupulous opportunist who, after being a fierce opponent of the regime, has turned into a zealous courtesan of the presidential couple. As head of the universities, he also ensured that Grace obtained a doctorate in sociology in record time: just three months.

    Grace’s first target is a woman, who poses a major threat to her ambition of succeeding her husband.

    Joice Mujuru is a decorated veteran, a minister since 1980, and Vice-President of the Republic for ten years. She’s the widow of General Solomon Mujuru, who died in 2011 during a suspicious fire on her farm. Her nickname during war was “Teurai Ropa” – the one who spills blood. Joice enjoys undeniable legitimacy, to the point that many Zimbabweans see her as the natural heir to “Comrade Bob”.

    After her appointment to political office, Grace launches a campaign against Joice Mujuru, calling her a “conspirator” who’s determined to avenge her husband’s death, and seize power. In December 2014, Mugabe gives in.

    He dismisses Mujuru and eight ministers deemed close to her. Her successor as vice-president is another veteran: Emmerson Dambudzo Mnangagwa. This will be Grace Mugabe’s second target.

    Even more than Joice Mujuru, Mnangagwa is a respected personality among veterans and the leading figure of Zanu-PF’s so-called “Lacoste Group” – a reference to the crocodile-shaped logo of the famous French sportswear brand – which brings together the “liberators” of Zimbabwe. The guerrilla unit, he led, during the liberation struggle was called the “Crocodile Gang”. He was arrested by the police, tortured, and sentenced to ten years in prison for sabotage against Ian Smith’s government. Behind bars, he met Robert Mugabe. Since then, they have never left each other’s side.

    North Korean advisors

    For three decades, Mnangagwa executed the wishes of his leader without hesitation. As Minister of Security in 1983, he supervised the bloody “Gukurahundi” operation (“the rain that sweeps away garbage”) in Matabeleland, resulting in the deaths of 20,000 people in nine months.

    In 1998, he was deployed in the Democratic Republic of Congo, where he coordinated the Zimbabwean contingent’s support for the Laurent-Désiré Kabila regime. It allows senior officers to enrich themselves through the trafficking of copper and diamonds. In both 2008 and 2013, as Minister of Defence, he played a key role in the post-election violence and repression that decimated the ranks of the opposition’s leader, Morgan Tsvangirai.

    In December 2016, as Zimbabwe plunged further into economic and social turmoil, Zanu-PF nominated Comrade Bob, 92, as its 2018 presidential candidate. The plan devised by Grace and her G40 was simple: her husband, once re-elected, will resign in her favour. But first, she must be reappointed as vice-president.

    In early 2017, as Grace prepares to take the old leader on an exhausting tour of pre-election meetings, she holds a secret meeting at the Blue Roof Manor. In his room upstairs, Robert Mugabe is asleep. In the living room downstairs, the G40 leaders gather around Grace as she explains why the Lacoste Group must be “neutralized” one by one, starting with Mnangagwa.

    The two factions hold the same views, ideology, and vision.. Only the struggle for power matters. During campaign meetings Robert Mugabe falls asleep frequently as Grace and Mnangagwa challenge each other.

    Arsenic poisoning?

    In mid-August, a lunch is organized in the town of Gwanda on the sidelines of one of these gatherings. After consuming ice cream from Grace Mugabe’s dairy farm (seized about ten years earlier from a white owner), the vice-president collapses. He was evacuated to a hospital in Johannesburg, South Africa. Mnangagwa and his entourage are convinced that Grace laced his food with arsenic. When asked about this accusation a few days later during a talk show on ZBC, Grace laughed, saying “Why would I want to kill Mnangagwa? Who is Mnangagwa on this earth? Killing someone my husband made? It doesn’t make any sense!”.

    In this hostile climate, the election campaign continues. At the beginning of October, the First Lady crosses the line: she attacks her rival directly, accusing him of fomenting a coup d’état. Standing with a microphone in her hand, dressed like a rock star, she screams: “Traitors and usurpers will be eliminated!”

    Sitting to the right of the old chief, with his eyes half closed, Emmerson Mnangagwa did not react. He replies indirectly a month later, at a meeting in Bulawayo. As Grace gets up from her chair to deliver a new diatribe, the crowd, mostly made up of veterans, explodes in jeers while waving hundreds of toy crocodiles.

    The message is very clear. Robert Mugabe, drawn from his sleep by the screams, immediately asks for the microphone. He lifts a boney finger and says, “You insult and denigrate the first lady on behalf of Mnangagwa? All right. I’ll fire him”.On November 6, Mnangagwa was dismissed and excluded from the party. His personal guard is unarmed.

    To escape imminent arrest, he takes flight.

    At dawn on November 7, he leaves Harare in a convoy of three vehicles, heading southeast towards the Mozambican border. He puts on his wife’s king-size sunglasses, and a wide-brimmed safari hat. His three sons and a handful of bodyguards accompany him. When he arrives at the Mutare border crossing, police officers recognize him and draw their weapons, forcing the convoy to make a hasty U-turn. After a few kilometres, the three 4×4s take a side road and stop in front of an abandoned earthen hut. Mnangagwa and his eldest son, Junior get off and take shelter under the thatched roof, while the vehicles return to Harare.

    At nightfall, they both walk along a smuggler’s trail that will take them to Mozambique. But police equipped with powerful flashlights and sniffer dogs are looking for them. Mnangagwa and Junior – who firmly holds his father’s Louis Vuitton bag containing US$8,000 in small bills – are forced to cross a swamp and crawl through the mud to escape them.

    They meet a mystic with amulets, who shows them the way and chases away evil spirits in exchange for a few greenbacks. Next, they stumble upon a garbage collector armed with a rusty AK47. They pay him $500 to leave them alone.

    After 24 hours in the bush, they finally arrive in the Mozambican city of Manica, with sore feet and covered in mud. From there, they move to Maputo and Johannesburg, where a disparate group of Zimbabwean opponents take care of them. It’s a strange cocktail of war veterans, Zanu-PF elders, expropriated white farmers, and human rights activists, who help them.

    Gun in hand

    In Harare, the news of Mnangagwa’s escape is greeted with jubilation by Grace and the G40. “Finally rid of the Crocodile!” says Mugabe. His wife’s official appointment as vice-president is scheduled for 16 November. Euphoric, Grace makes preparations for a grand ceremony but nothing will go as planned.

    Mnangagwa’s escape raises Robert Mugabe’s paranoia, who fears a coup d’état. The first on his list of suspects is none other than the Chief of the Army Staff, General Constantino Chiwenga, a relative of Mnangagwa with whom he served during Operation Gukurahundi. Mugabe orders his arrest as soon as he steps on the tarmac at Harare airport after returning from a working visit to China.

    In the evening of November 12, a squadron of police officers waits for Chiwenga as he gets off the plane. But, the General is aware of the plan, and takes precautions. Members of the special forces are disguised as airport maintenance staff. They surround the police officers with their weapons drawn. The attempted arrest turns into a fiasco.

    The next day, Chiwenga and – from South Africa – Mnangagwa rally most of the senior officers by telephone around Operation Restore Legacy, the code name for what was nothing more than a coup d’état. On the afternoon of November 14, the operation was launched, just as Robert Mugabe began to chair the Council of Ministers. On the agenda: the inauguration of the First Lady, scheduled for the next day.

    It is 6pm when Robert and Grace Mugabe leave the palace. Army tanks have surrounded the barracks of the Presidential Guard, whose leader is secretly aligned to the coup plotters. The couple still have no idea what is going on.

    Their convoy heads to the Blue Roof mansion in the Borrowdale suburb. In addition to the 5-ton armoured Mercedes Pullman Guard, there are four other Mercedes filled with Central Intelligence Organization (CIO) secret service agents, six police Land Rovers and two trucks carrying 30 black hooded Presidential Guard personnel.

    Standing in front of the Blue Roof entrance gate, three tanks and about a hundred soldiers are waiting for them in combat position. Police officers and CIO agents raise their arms and let themselves be disarmed, while the Presidential Guard watch the scene without moving. It was then that Robert and Grace Mugabe finally understood that a coup d’état had just overthrown them. They are silent. It was only later that night, when the sick old lion had gone to bed, that Grace burst into fury in her living room.

    At the same time, the army is arresting the main leaders of the G40.

    All were handcuffed without resistance, with the exception of the Minister of Finance, Ignatius Chombo, whose private guard resisted. Three security guards were shot dead by the military. They’ll be the only ones who die from Operation Restore Legacy. Jonathan Moyo has better luck. He manages to escape,taking refuge in the Blue Roof mansion, from where he negotiates his fate with the new authorities: exile in Nairobi in exchange for immunity.

    On the morning of 21 November, Zimbabwean deputies, who were only yesterday zealous supporters of the “national hero”, vote to dismiss him. That same afternoon, Robert Mugabe resigns for a $10 million signing bonus, legal immunity, and a promise that the couple’s property would not be seized.

    The next day, Emmerson Mnangagwa returns to Harare. His first gesture is to reward the three generals who ran the operation: Chiwenga was appointed Vice-President, Perence Shiri becomes Minister of Lands, and Sibusiso Moyo takes over as Minister of Foreign Affairs. In Zimbabwe, everything moves but nothing changes.

  98. 1735099

    They’ve been through this before: here’s a little history.

    That’s not history.
    That’s nostalgia.
    They can’t go back.
    That way madness lies.

  99. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    And ain’t that still shot there quite the truth, areff?

    All those handsome hairy blokes and one petite 50’s girl, all shorts-a-go-go and curvy.
    In the days before diversidy and equalidy came in and said we shouldn’t notice this reality. 🙂

  100. JohnJJJ

    What will be interesting is to find out how many of the people who took on the Jihadi had previous experience of violence. The current mantra of run, hide, tell is a disaster. This type of terror can only be stopped by the people then and there. The more mollycoddled our population the less they will be able to stop this type of violence.

  101. areff

    True, Lizzie. But poor Ray Walton — he does the curvy nurse’s laundry and doesn’t have a chance of scoring a midnight frolic in the nurses’ quarters. No doubt, having read Mandingo, she dallied with the black bloke.

  102. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    The ABC understands Khan did attend anti-terror workshops while in prison, but Mr Sharif argues he needed more targeted assistance.

    send a delegation to XJ to learn how its done

  103. Nick

    The father of one of the two people murdered in the London Bridge terror attack has remembered his son as a “beautiful spirit” while warning British politicians against using the death of the Cambridge University graduate as a pretext for more “draconian” prison sentences.

    Well, his plan worked didn’t it ?

  104. Juan

    No Deal, no EU payments, and trade with the world.

    With Boris Johnson almost certain to remain Prime Minister, No Deal may still happen but now at the end of 2020 when the transition period ends; but Deal or No Deal the ‘divorce bill’ gets paid plus the usual UK contributions tipped into EU coffers continue until 31 December 2020.

  105. Boambee John

    Shy Ted at 0831

    Interesting bit in the linked item:

    James Ford, 42, was jailed for life in 2004 for the murder of 21-year-old Amanda Champion, who was found strangled with her throat cut in Ashford, Kent, in July 2003.

    Ford was caught after a Samaritans worker, who he had called and confessed to, went to police with the tip off.

    The charity worker later lost his job for breaking the organisation’s strict confidentiality policy.

    It seems that the Catholic Church is not the only organisation with a strict confidentiality policy.

    Don’t tell Desperate Dan of Yarragrad!

  106. calli

    I’ve been out photographing orchids. A bit too early for most of them, so had to make do with mosses and ferns. And species heliconias.

    To each their own. 😁

    The train ride is in a panoramic car, 68USD one way. You can do the Inca Trail, but I’m too old and unfit. It’s four days with porters.

  107. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I’ve said this before but that still shot reminds again.

    I once did a photographic assignment in a remote Western Australian Mining Town in the very late 70’s (as the photographer not the model, although I still looked good enough then to be mistaken for the swimsuit model I once was; Nikkon around my neck was the giveaway, lol). I was in my late thirties and had just met Hairy; we were on a couple of weeks away from each other to sort out our future with each other; he was in FNQ in the remote (then) Daintree with hippie mates. I was taken into the single men’s mess for my lunch. As I walked in, wearing tight green jeans and a blouse with its ends knotted casually exposing my midriff (as you did then), the sound of hundreds of knives and forks being placed down at once was something to hear. Dead silence. Then the murmuring began. I wore loose t-shirts after that. 🙂

    Don’t take any of me, Lizzie, said one man as I got busy later with my camera at a Company function.
    I’m wanted in six States, he offered by way of explanation. Interesting people; good times.

  108. Boambee John

    areff

    doubt, having read Mandingo, she dallied with the black bloke.

    My memory must be fading. I thought that Mitzi Gaynor dallied with a French planter who had dallied with a black woman.

    The story was set in the then British/French New Hebrides, now Vavuatu, explaining the Frenchman being there.

  109. Roger

    Scientific consensus in tatters, modelling will have to be taken back to the drawing board:

    Scientists discover black hole so big “it shouldn’t exist.”

  110. calli

    The Condominium of the New Hebrides.

    My grandfather and mother (then a very young girl) waited anxiously for those Americans to arrive. The alternative was unspeakable.

  111. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    It’s four days with porters.

    That’s what we’d heard, Calli, and while we are both relatively fit, we’d thought it unwise, after a few experiences with supposed ‘medium easy’ but very rocky trails along creek beds in the Kimberley.

    I am a sucker for panoramic views and archaeology, as is Hairy, so we will go, Sometime.

  112. Geriatric Mayfly

    Weatherzone
    @weatherzone
    Sydney is on track to register its hottest November on record based on daytime maximum temperatures:

    Does anyone know if there is an upper limit to these ‘hottest ever’ recording? Is it some sort of obscure logarithmic scale that innumerate punters like me cannot fathom?

  113. Nick

    It hasn’t been that hot at night at all.

  114. areff

    I believe you’re right, BJ.

  115. calli

    You will not be fit enough, Lizzie. This is high altitude trekking. I have watched men much younger and fitter than me keel over today, just on the steps. Take the train, stay in the five star (with hot spring) and take a leisurely stroll around the site with a guide.

  116. Leigh Lowe

    That’s what we’d heard, Calli, and while we are both relatively fit, we’d thought it unwise, after a few experiences with supposed ‘medium easy’ but very rocky trails along creek beds in the Kimberley.

    What?
    Manolo Blahnik doesn’t have a “sensible walking stiletto” range?

  117. Scientists discover black hole so big “it shouldn’t exist.”

    Finally. Someone investigating the Union superfund/ruinabaubles scam.

  118. areff

    Niki should give up on borrowing Raelene Castle’s wig for Insiders

  119. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Sigiriya in Sri Lanka! This is a large tall monolith that contains some very old paintings from the high civilization period there. The climb up it was vertiginous and the railings and steps were old and rusty.

    Now we are booked to go there in June, as I had a hankering to rediscover some of the places I knew and went to when my first husband (The Lefty Philosopher) and I were there for a year in the early seventies. I want to see how much has changed, and whether they have improved on those rusty railings. More than 40 years on I’m not going up them again if they are the same ones. Not worried about me, I’m fit and my dancing knees are good, but the railings would not have aged well.

  120. Mater

    I’m currently reading an academic paper on ‘privatisation’ during the Nazi Regime. This struck me:

    Social Services

    Public welfare, largely under the jurisdiction of local and district authorities before 1933, was partly transferred by the Nazi government to affiliates of the Nazi party, particularly to the Nationalsozialtiche Volkswohlfahrt (National Socialist People’s Welfare Organisation – NSV). The most important activity was the Winterhilfe (Winter Help), the distribution of money and goods among the poor. NSV was funded with a fee charged on the earnings of employed workers, and with quasi-compulsory levies in cash or in kind from farmers, peasants, employers and the middle-class generally…

    …In short, delivered by private and public bodies before the Nazi regime, Winter Help was privatized completely by the Nazi government and was transferred to a party organisation…

    …This no doubt fostered support for Nazi Party among the beneficiaries of those services. In addition, the Nazi Party and its members could use the huge volume of resources passing through these programs for political patronage and corruption.“

    A couple of things from this:

    – How deluded are academics that class this as “privatization”. The Nazi government give the responsibilities of social services to a Nazi organisation? FFS, no wonder academia is a ”clutterfuck of dumpster fires” and they are confused about the Nazis.

    – Organisations that are affiliated with a particular political party collecting “Quasi-compulsory levies” and using the “huge volume of resources passing through these programs for political patronage and corruption”? We wouldn’t, we couldn’t have this occurring in Australia…could we?

  121. Nick

    Climate convert Jeremy Clarkson calls Greta Thunberg, 16, ‘a stupid idiot’ and a ‘weird Swede with a bad temper’ for offering no solutions to climate change while ‘sailing across the ocean in a diesel-powered yacht’
    Jeremy Clarkson, 59, has accused the eco-warrior Greta Thunberg of hypocrisy

  122. Nick

    What?
    Manolo Blahnik doesn’t have a “sensible walking stiletto” range?

    Are you sure you aren’t CL, LL? (Joking)

  123. calli

    Good grief, I’m not Rockefeller! Stayed in the Belmond at Iguazu, but. This one reminds me of a gamepark lodge in SA.

    With Velociraptors! Hungry ones.

  124. Nick

    Clarkson again:

    He continued, criticising her for going to Chile for the climate change conference which was then moved to Madrid, saying that it made him ‘s*** himself laughing’.

  125. Leigh Lowe

    I’ve been out photographing orchids. A bit too early for most of them, so had to make do with mosses and ferns. And species heliconias.

    No cuttings, OK.

  126. Juan

    The Condominium of the New Hebrides.

    Condominium is one of those interesting words which means such different things to different groups of native English speakers.

    A type of summer footwear particularly popular in Australia is another. 😜

  127. Leigh Lowe

    Are you sure you aren’t CL, LL? (Joking)

    I’ll just check.
    No, I don’t have a big trunk, so that is a no.

  128. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    lol, Leigh. I did buy a new pair of shoes yesterday on my impulse shopping spree.
    I was thinking then that really I should get a decent pair of walking shoes as well.
    Gold ones maybe? I thought, or some white ones with floral inserts looked nice too.
    In the end though I told myself showpiece trainers could wait for another day.
    My old Nikes will do for the tough stuff for a while anyway.
    So I bought something impractical and up-cheering. It was that sort of day. 🙂

  129. cohenite

    One of the victims killed by the RoP creep is named as one of the organisers of the rehabilitation programme; looks like a nice young guy but unfortunately the left simply won’t learn about RoP

  130. Boambee John

    GM

    Does anyone know if there is an upper limit to these ‘hottest ever’ recording? Is it some sort of obscure logarithmic scale that innumerate punters like me cannot fathom?

    Not sure what technique is used here, but I recall an item a couple of years ago, where the UK meteorologists admitted that they calculated the “hottest Xxx” by taking the average of the three (?) highest temperatures in the period.

    I suspect that if a similar methodology were to be appkied to the lowest temperatures also, it might be possible for a month to be simultaneously the “highest and lowest evah” temperature!

  131. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Actually, Merrils are my fave make in walking shoes. They look good and feel good and last well.

  132. areff

    ABC reporting that WA’s massive solar input is screwing the grid. Good, ABC recognises the truth and reports it as such.

    Not quite!

    Deep in the report, the real villain is named and shamed:

    The only way to manage the solar was to scale back or switch off the coal-and gas-fired power stations that were supposed to be the bedrock of the electricity system.

    The problem was coal-fired plants were not designed to be quickly ramped up or down in such a way, meaning they were ill-equipped to respond to sudden fluctuations in solar production.

    Notice the “supposed”?

    Apparently, having wrecked a tried and tested, reliable generating system, the key is lotsa batteries so solar can keep on being wonderful. Perish the thought that anything bad be said about rooftop panels.

  133. Mark A

    Someone her reminds me of Goograly, he had every travel destinations and hotel details at his fingertips same as this poster.
    All we have to wait now for a perfect ID is a mention of cruise ships.

    Grey nurse sharks and Aldi are too much to hope for, but as time passes carelessness creeps in.

  134. Leigh Lowe

    Nick

    #3248932, posted on December 1, 2019 at 9:06 am

    The father of one of the two people murdered in the London Bridge terror attack has remembered his son as a “beautiful spirit”while warning British politicians against using the death of the Cambridge University graduate as a pretext for more “draconian” prison sentences

    Apparently his son “wouldn’t want that”.
    Yes, probably the sort of thing the heavily indoctrinated lad might have said on Thursday but I wonder what he would have thought on Friday in a frozen moment as the Moosley slasher came at him …

    This chap was giving 16 years for Moosley terrorism in 2012. Would you like him to:-
    (a) have been released early so he can cut your throat in three seconds time; or
    (b) be serving a “draconian sentence”?

    Reminds me of that dickhead Dugan(?) from Adelaide whose son died in the Bali bombing. The body was barely cold and dad starts ranting at John Howard and running a campaign to be an ALP candidate.

  135. Nick

    Strangely enough LL, you can bet the young do gooder, now deceased, advocated harsh custodial sentences to those who decry transgenderism, climate deniers and Donald Trump.

  136. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    Sydney is on track to register its hottest November on record based on daytime maximum temperatures:

    As I pointed out at 8.28 am above, the Eastern States will be hot and dry in the day time, and the BoM and the MSM will play this up shamelessly. At night however, temps will drop to near record lows, and this will be quietly ignored.

    Climate is cyclical and therefore easily predictable.

  137. Nick

    All normal then

    Britain is shrouded in freezing fog with temperatures set to plunge to a chilling -10C as wind and rain sweep in across swathes of the country tonight
    Yellow weather warning issued in the early hours of the morning due to 10 hours of freezing fog across UK
    Scotland will see temperatures as low as -9.7C tonight and north England will also see sub-zero temperatures
    Freezing fog expected to return tonight although there are no plans for another weather warning to be issued

  138. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    I personally do not think the LNP is of the right of politics, if anything they are a left party.

    Do not place any stock in what they say – look at what they do.

    They unceasingly implement all of labore’s and the greenfilth’s policies, when they’re not inventing aand attempting to implement utterly idiotic new collectivist policies of their own.

    Ban on cash, anyone?

  139. cohenite

    GM
    Does anyone know if there is an upper limit to these ‘hottest ever’ recording? Is it some sort of obscure logarithmic scale that innumerate punters like me cannot fathom?

    During the whole history of life on this rock the temperature range of GAT has been between about 26C and 10C and we are now at the low end of that range.

    Alarmists should be stripped naked and placed in the Simpson desert:

    http://www.scotese.com/images/globaltemp.jpg

  140. Tom

    Wise words about trekking at altitude, Calli. I remember, as a yoof, feeling like a breathless old man walking the 1000 metres from the airport bus station to my hotel in Lhasa, Tibet (altitude: 12,000 feet) — same altitude as Cuzco. Get in the five-star and take it easy as it can take months for your blood production (red versus white corpuscles) to adjust to living at altitude.

  141. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    All we have to wait now for a perfect ID is a mention of cruise ships.

    If he starts laying into me then the ID will be complete. Of course there are competitors, often good-hearted folk, and none in quite the same league as Grigs.

    I am doing that bogan hex thing if it’s Grigs; two fingers, index and next one, pointed towards my eyes, and then turned around and pointed towards the suspected miscreant. In Tassie this means you, as recipient, might find yourself dropped off the continental shelf attached to a heavy weight. But I am not like that. Mine is just a simple hex for boils on ya bum, easily cured these days by antibiotics. Not sure how it goes over the internet either. May not work as well. Also defeated somewhat by modern nutrition. 🙂

  142. Mater

    The father of one of the two people murdered in the London Bridge terror attack has remembered his son as a “beautiful spirit”while warning British politicians against using the death of the Cambridge University graduate as a pretext for more “draconian” prison sentences

    Don’t need longer prison sentences, just more bollards on that bridge!

  143. Scotland will see temperatures as low as -9.7C tonight and north England will also see sub-zero temperatures

    I’ve been in Scotland a few times at this time of year. Usually around the -2C to 5C at night. An early colding.

  144. Juan

    Do not place any stock in what they say – look at what they do.

    Best advice in romance and in life.

    Sorry, starting at 1:05:33. (The auto start at this point didn’t work.)

  145. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    Sydney is on track to register its hottest November on record based on daytime maximum temperatures

    This is total horseshit.

  146. Mark A

    hex thing if it’s Grigs; two fingers, index and next one, pointed towards my eyes, and then turned around and pointed towards the suspected miscreant.

    Currently reading a book about the exploits of an actual self proclaimed witch, all nonsense of course but fun.
    If I come across a good apposite spell, I post it.

  147. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    Ban on cash, anyone?

    Not a ban, just a prohibitive cost.
    Making it expensive to use cash, coupled to negative interest rates for money in accounts, will be a nice not-so-little earner for the banks.

    Which, of course, is really what all this is about. As always.

  148. I’ve made it to 14,000 ft. Short steps required. Most unhealthy.

  149. Is it some sort of obscure logarithmic scale that innumerate punters like me cannot fathom?

    The BoM lost me when they disclosed that they took averages of averages.
    FMD

  150. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    meaning they were ill-equipped to respond to sudden fluctuations in solar production.

    lol. Nothing to do with the solar system being ‘ill-equipped’ to be an energy generator because of its sudden fluctuations in production? It’s always the fault of coal. This slant and bias, constant in climate reporting, is a shameless misuse of the language.

  151. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    This is total horseshit.

    Or possibly not.
    Unfortunately.

  152. Steve trickler

    Gee whiz.

    Plenty of WTF! moments ahead. 👍 with the reporting. Good work.



  153. Geriatric Mayfly

    I’ve been in Scotland a few times at this time of year.

    Recall walking along a beach in Kirkcudbrightshire. There was a low, but bright sun struggling for altitude on the Dec 22 solstice. The sea was frozen many hundreds of metres from the shore. Found a pub, and thanked the Lord for small mercies.

  154. Dr Faustus

    They’re polls – and we don’t believe polls. But the trend is showing that the UK puntery is in a mind to commit collective social and economic suicide.

    General election: Boris Johnson’s lead halved, putting UK in ‘hung parliament territory’, latest poll reveals

    Jeremy Corbyn is successfully winning back the support of voters threatening to defect to other parties, the poll by BMG Research shows, taking his party’s rating up five points to 33 per cent.

    The Conservatives, meanwhile, have dipped two points to 39 per cent, six points ahead instead of the 13 points in BMG’s survey a week ago.

    A minority Bozza Government is demonstrably shite on a stick. But a Mos Eisley cantina Labour Government supported by the SNP and LibDems would finish the Union, see-off corporate Britain, and set the ground for an exciting new political paradigm.

  155. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    Or possibly not.
    Unfortunately.

    It’s horseshit. I live in Sydney. The November just past was very mild.

  156. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    The current Big Cold in Britain is of course definitely climate change and therefore must be due to CO2 warming. Luckily today is Outsiders’ Ice Age Watch, the one bright media spot of the week.

    Gotta go. We record it to enjoy over Sunday lunch, but Attapuss now wants to play.

  157. Juan

    Recall walking along a beach in Kirkcudbrightshire. There was a low, but bright sun struggling for altitude on the Dec 22 solstice. The sea was frozen many hundreds of metres from the shore. Found a pub, and thanked the Lord for small mercies.

    Hope you didn’t order ‘A cold one!’ 😉

  158. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    Spurgeon,

    Please stop confusing mere reality with BoM “research”.

  159. areff

    This is total horseshit.

    Morrison & Co., will shortly set to work cleaning out the BoM’s Augean stable. Any day now — just as soon as they check with Photios to make sure that’s OK with his renewables rent-seeker clients.

  160. Black Ball

    Good morning all.
    The big cold isn’t confined to Britain Lizzie. Absolutely freezing here in Northern Victoria. Flannerys are set to fall most of the day. At least it is teaching the kids at the Little Aths carnival here some resilience.

  161. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    Any day now

    Don’t rush him, Areff.
    First he’s got to finish making cash nigh on impossible to use in any significant way, to save us from the drug dealers. Or was it the kiddie fiddlers? I get confused.

    Of course, the record profits the banks will end up making will be just yet another of those unintended, and unforeseen, circumstances.

  162. 8th Dan

    Sydney is on track to register its hottest November on record based on daytime maximum temperatures

    Sydney was warm in November 2019. Not every day, but often enough to notice.

  163. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    The big cold isn’t confined to Britain Lizzie.

    Predictable and predicted. The (genuine) climate refugees will start arriving from the the northern hemisphere in about five years.

    Forget leaky boats to Christmas Island with a handful of country shoppers. There’ll be jumbo jets with a thousand or more of them landing daily at Sydney airport.

  164. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    Any day now

    Don’t rush him, Areff.
    First he’s got to finish making cash nigh on impossible to use in any significant way, to save us from the drug dealers. Or was it the money launderers? I get confused.

    Of course, the record profits the banks will end up making will be just yet another of those unintended, and unforeseen, circumstances.

  165. EvilElvis

    Boomers. Sunday morning. 7.35am.
    Sign says open at 8am.
    Blinds down.
    Lights out.
    Window cracked to get some breeze in.
    Sign says open at 8am.

    Boomer passers by, surveys scene then “better try the door”…

    FMD.

  166. stackja

    Man, 24, dies after taking GHB, MDMA and cocaine at Strawberry Fields Music Festival

    A man has died at the Strawberry Fields Music Festival at Tocumwal in the state’s Riverina region early today. The 24-year-old is believed to have consumed multiple substances including GHB, MDMA and cocaine.
    Staff reporter, The Sunday Telegraph
    Subscriber only

    December 1, 2019 10:40am

    A man has died at a music festival held at Tocumwal in the state’s Riverina region early today.

    About 12.45am, a 24-year-old man was conveyed to the medical tent at the Strawberry Fields Music Festival.

    Medical staff were informed that the male had consumed multiple substances including GHB (gamma hydroxybutyrate), MDMA and cocaine.

    Shortly after the man suffered a cardiac arrest and was treated by medical staff.

    At 2.02am, he was pronounced deceased.

  167. Geriatric Mayfly

    A look at the isobars and winds at windy.com shows a perfectly formed Low over the southern ocean drawing air direct from Antarctica north to Victoristan. The ignominy on this the first unofficial day of another Angry Summer.

  168. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    Man, 24, dies after taking GHB, MDMA and cocaine at Strawberry Fields Music Festival

    Another contender for this year’s Darwin Awards?

  169. stackja

    Andrew Rule: Inside Bill Waterhouse’s ‘appalling’ scandals
    Following the death of the “liar and cheat” Bill Waterhouse, the full stories of the bookmaker’s chequered career can now be told, writes Andrew Rule.
    Andrew Rule, Sunday Herald Sun
    Subscriber only

    December 1, 2019 8:00am

    When Japan bombed Pearl Harbor in 1941 and Australia was under threat, William Stanley Waterhouse was a strapping young man whose sharp intelligence was matched only by his instinct for self-preservation. The odds that he would enlist were 1000-1 and drifting.

    Bill Waterhouse came from a line of smugglers, cockfight promoters, gamblers and sly groggers. For him, dodging military service came as naturally as robbing widows and orphans. War was not for fighting, it was for black market profiteering. Patriotism was for mugs.

    Waterhouse was able to claim he had to run a farm bought expressly so he could claim an occupation classified as an “essential service”. But he left nothing to chance, studying medicine (automatically exempt) then taking up law as the war ended.

    It was an early insight into how a liar and cheat manipulated others for profit all his life.

    Waterhouse practised briefly as a barrister until his older brother, Charles, died at 39, leaving a widow and four children — the ones he would later rob of their inheritance, igniting a legal fight that split the family in the 1980s.

    When it came to criminal behaviour, “Big Bill” wasn’t choosy: as a bookmaker and punter he was a race fixer who paid off trainers, jockeys and nobblers; as a developer and hotelier he bribed or blackmailed police and politicians. He smuggled currency to secret offshore bank accounts, ran an illegal casino and invested in wildlife and drug smuggling.

    Apart from assuming control of brother Charles’ deceased estate, he took over his bookmaker stand as well, a cash business so lucrative the young barrister didn’t return to court except as defendant or plaintiff.

    The dead don’t sue?

  170. areff

    Cold as a nun’s nasty here in Yarrastan. Heater going, grey skies, still no sign of spring taking root, let alone summer kicking off. Tomato seedlings languishing, apricot crop less bountiful than last year, which wasn’t bountiful at all.

    Yep. Another angry summer.

  171. egg_

    Scientists discover black hole so big “it shouldn’t exist.”

    SHY?

  172. Twostix

    That’s not history.
    That’s nostalgia.
    They can’t go back.
    That way madness lies.

    This guy would know!

  173. Juan

    They’re polls – and we don’t believe polls. But the trend is showing that the UK puntery is in a mind to commit collective social and economic suicide.

    Polls are next to useless in this UK election because they cannot predict the effect of tactical voting.

    General election: Boris Johnson’s lead halved, putting UK in ‘hung parliament territory’, latest poll reveals

    Jeremy Corbyn is successfully winning back the support of voters threatening to defect to other parties, the poll by BMG Research shows, taking his party’s rating up five points to 33 per cent.

    The Conservatives, meanwhile, have dipped two points to 39 per cent, six points ahead instead of the 13 points in BMG’s survey a week ago.

    A minority Bozza Government is demonstrably shite on a stick. But a Mos Eisley cantina Labour Government supported by the SNP and LibDems would finish the Union, see-off corporate Britain, and set the ground for an exciting new political paradigm.

    I think there are only three realistic outcomes: a small Cons minority; a small Cons majority; or a large Cons majority.

    Either way Boris Johnson remains Prime Minister and his Withdrawal Agreement passes parliament.

    What happens later in the year depends on the size of Boris’s majority, if any. A majority of over 40 would mean he could ignore the ERG ‘Spartans’ and sign a trade deal which aligns the UK closely with Europe. A slim majority would allow the ERG to frustrate any trade deal they don’t like, much as they did with May’s Withdrawal Agreement.

    Barring an extension, if no trade deal is agreed and passed by parliament, the UK will be trading on WTO terms come 1 January 2121. While the transition can be extended, but only once for up to a further two years, the request must be submitted by 1 July 2020 (see Article 132 of Withdrawal Agreement.)

  174. Geriatric Mayfly

    Tomato seedlings languishing
    And with what do you garnish your tomatoes. With Sweet Basil of course. One planted punnet already dead from hypothermia on this plot, another waiting in the wings for certain death. There was a saying, ‘Never plant out cold sensitive specimens until after Cup Day.’ Shot to the shithouse that bit of advice.

  175. Stimpson J. Cat

    Scientists discover black hole so big “it shouldn’t exist.

    Breaking News :
    Retarded Nerds Teabagged By Vengeful God On Pocketprotector Suicide Watch

  176. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    Shot to the shithouse that bit of advice.

    Get used to it. It’s gunna be cold for the next 140 years or so.
    Climate is cyclical and therefore predictable.

  177. Top Ender

    1 December – the anniversary of Teddy Sheean’s death as HMAS Armidale was lost in action in 1942, sunk by Japanese aircraft in the Timor Sea.

    Why was Sheean not awarded the Victoria Cross?

  178. Vagabond

    Man, 24, dies after taking GHB, MDMA and cocaine at Strawberry Fields Music Festival

    A perfect illustration of why pill testing is an unbelievably stupid idea.

  179. Ellie

    Retarded Nerds Teabagged By Vengeful God On Pocketprotector Suicide Watch

    You have a magnificent way with words! ❤

  180. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    Good morning Elle.
    How is this blogs most comely wench today?

  181. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Man, 24, dies after taking GHB, MDMA and cocaine at Strawberry Fields Music Festival

    Seems there were eight others treated for overdoses. Vagabond is correct, though.

  182. Leigh Lowe

    Tomato seedlings languishing

    My herb garden is a jungle.
    Could it be all that luverly warm C-O-Two coming out of the heater exhaust at the back of the garden bed?

  183. Ellie

    Good morning Elle.
    How is this blogs most comely wench today?

    Sparking!

    How are you, darling MV?

  184. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    Been otherwise engaged for a couple of weeks, Elle.
    But I escaped from the lunatic asylum and I’m back on my feet now.
    I had to get free – I was missing your dulcet tones.

  185. cohenite

    Jerry Nadler gets that final crucial wafer thin bit of incriminating evidence against Trump:

  186. Leigh Lowe

    Geriatric Mayfly

    #3249025, posted on December 1, 2019 at 10:50 am

    A look at the isobars and winds at windy.com shows a perfectly formed Low 

    Each isobar is right up the arse of the isobar in front.
    It’s like an episode of Q&A.

  187. egg_

    Man, 24, dies after taking GHB, MDMA and cocaine at Strawberry Fields Music Festival

    IIRC Smooth FM News said he was a drummer.

  188. Fair shake of the sauce

    Weather Watch
    Melbourne cascades toward a catastrophic fireball inferno climate emergency as it swelters through its first day of Summer. Wild winds reek havoc throughout suburban parks as 8yos struggle to hold onto festive season balloons. High of 17c , 24kmh winds. Cloudy with a chance of showers. Oh the ironing.
    When will this Summer end?
    Late February I expect.

  189. Ellie

    Always here for you, MV.
    I noticed your absence. You experienced a significant loss – one I cannot comprehend. Hope you’re doing ok. One day at a time. X

  190. Geriatric Mayfly

    Man, 24, dies after taking GHB, MDMA and cocaine at Strawberry Fields Music Festival

    Who were the villains behind this? Someone must be responsible. Another week or two of anguish as the finger pointing gets underway, blame apportioned and ineffective solutions are bandied about.

  191. Knuckle Dragger

    Bloody hell those journos are quick.

    They even spelled Jaleighya’s name right. The Winnie Blues were out of shot, so that’s something I suppose.

  192. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    I’m doing fine, Elle.
    I’ve just spent nearly three weeks experiencing the tender ministrations of Nurse Ratchets #1, #2 and #3 – morning shift, afternoon shift, and night shift respectively. Nurse Ratchet #3 used to spend most of the night on Facechook while the Machine That Goes Bing! kept her informed that is was still breathing.

    I was banned from getting out of bed, and the internet was also verboten. Only twice did I manage to sneak a quick peak at Tom’s cartoon posts while she was off in the ladies.

    But I’m back home again now, so everything is hunky dory.

  193. Knuckle Dragger

    In more important news, Foxtel’s on the blink at my lair.

    Repeated efforts to fix the issue have not yielded the desired result. If this keeps up I may have to – gasp – consult the Interwebs.

    It’s most likely due to the Great Heat. About the eighth week in a row of 35 degrees and stonking humidity with zero substantial rain, and we are now informed this will go on until January at least. Elderly dergs do not do well in these conditions.

  194. Geriatric Mayfly

    Please St Greta, whip me, beat me, I have been naughty. I have had to wind up the slow combustion stove, and feed into its maw a load of old growth timber hewn from the cold dead hands of the local koala colony. The fact that it’s freezing here will not mitigate I know, so out with the fishnets, boots and the PVC and get on with it.

  195. BrettW

    So the stabby ROP guy was at a conference discussing rehabilitation.

    Got me to thinking about Anne Aly and her previous job before elected MP which was to de-radicalise certain ROP types. Somebody correct me if I am wrong but wouldn’t that involve being in receipt of Govt funds ? If so isn’t that a problem ? I seem to recall a NSW MP had issues because he owned a small shopping centre and one of the tenants was a post office which was paying rent. Another was a teacher or something.

  196. Ellie

    Dicky ticker, MV? Hope the nurses gave you some extra TLC. Sounds like things were restricted though. Glad all is hunky dory now.

  197. Top Ender

    Over at Quadrant, Peter O’Brien takes down attempts to defend Pascoe, with A ‘Dark Emu’ Ally Flips the Bird at Truth

  198. Snoopy

    Proof you can always trust TheirABC. Especially when it comes to statistics.

    HIV diagnosis rates for straight men in WA now greater than for gay men

    In Western Australia this year more straight men were diagnosed with HIV than gay men.

    Keep this in mind when tempted to reflexively dismiss TheirABC’s next climate scare story.

  199. Roger

    One of the victims killed by the RoP creep is named as one of the organisers of the rehabilitation programme; looks like a nice young guy but unfortunately the left simply won’t learn about RoP

    His father has reportedly urged the government not to use the attack as a “pretext” for stiffer sentencing laws.

    I suspect the bloke with the narwhal tusk might have a different view.

  200. Top Ender

    Knuckles, have you tried pulling the power plug out of the wall, and waiting 10 seconds before plugging it back in again?

    It does a box reset.

    You can also call 13 19 99 and follow the prompts to get Foxtel to reboot the box – does a bit more than the former reset option.

  201. Stimpson J. Cat

    HIV diagnosis rates for straight men in WA now greater than for gay men
    In Western Australia this year more straight men were diagnosed with HIV than gay men.

    This us exactly why I don’t have sex with straight men or gay men.
    Filthy diseased degenerates the lot of them.

  202. Snoopy

    I should have checked. Do straight men outnumber poofs in WA? Maybe I’m guilty of an unwarranted assumption.

  203. MarkA:

    …This guy Juan comes across as an I know everything type, he looks down on all, i think he is a politician.
    Not a retired schoolteacher? We had one of those.

    Reminds me of iampeter in a polite version.

    He reminds me of someone – the same wordiness/paucity of facts, the “I’m a sophisticated scholar” routine.
    Sort of Bird like, starts out with the routine, but will lose it soon.

  204. Roger

    Do straight men outnumber poofs in WA? Maybe I’m guilty of an unwarranted assumption.

    “Almost all of those men are aged over 40, were born in Australia and picked up the virus having unprotected sex with women overseas, most commonly in South-East Asia.”

  205. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Over at Quadrant, Peter O’Brien takes down attempts to defend Pascoe, with A ‘Dark Emu’ Ally Flips the Bird at Truth

    I brought extra copies of O’Brien’s book – it’s required reading about the whole “Dark Emu” malarkey.

  206. cohenite

    Are we becoming decivilized?

    …When the state takes on the right to administer justice and exact punishment (as compared with its administration by sub-groups in tribal societies), an important mental shift in relation to wrongs suffered must take place in the population. Crimes must cease to be perceived as primarily against individuals or clans, but rather, are against the state, the king, the law, the society as a whole.
    The people must, to this important end, relinquish the concept of justice as residing in individual reparations or vengeance (its most common forms in non-civilised societies), and accept that reparation under criminal law belongs to the state (via fines and various forms of physical punishment, including imprisonment and the death penalty).
    This is a huge mental re-orientation, and it can only be secure to the extent that the justice provided by the state is reliable and effective. It was not achieved in its fullness in England under Edward I, for monarchical control was still uncertain and incomplete. As the Paston Letters of the 15th century show, disputing families often took matters into their own hands, when the arm of justice was short. Nevertheless the letters also show that the expectation was there, that, in the long run, the king’s justice would prevail; and this was eventually achieved.
    For most of the 20th century, law in its civilised form appeared to be second nature in this country. But in recent decades there have been disturbing signs, at first promoted within the legal system, later by the media, that we are losing this sophistication of civilisation and are de-civilising in the sense that crimes are again being conceived as against individuals and families, rather than against the society as a whole.
    A first move was the system of asking victims of crime to meet with the perpetrators, putting the onus on them, rather than the law and justice system, to impress on the offender the error of his ways. Next, reparations, not only for victims of crime but for their families, were brought into existence, returning to the old concept of personal rather than community injury when a crime is committed. And lastly, we now regularly see the media applying to the families of victims of serious crimes for confirmation as to whether or not the punishment meted out satisfies them personally….

    Are we de-civilising?
    Dr Lucy Sullivan News Weekly, November 30, 2019

  207. Stimpson J. Cat

    I should have checked. Do straight men outnumber poofs in WA? Maybe I’m guilty of an unwarranted assumption.

    They didn’t ask if the straight men involved in the survey were cyclists.
    This is why the numbers have gone up.
    Cyclists have HIV and are gay.
    Everyone knows this.

  208. Juan

    I should have checked. Do straight men outnumber poofs in WA? Maybe I’m guilty of an unwarranted assumption.

    Does this shed any light?

    And here I was thinking Kerry Stokes’ Seven West Media was a little more conservative than your average media outfit.

  209. 8th Dan

    Fun for Hunky Dory

    Andy and Dandy, the colts, were having a race.

  210. Top Ender

    What a great idea!

    Let’s have “communities” across the Outback.

    There won’t be any jobs there, so we’ll pay everyone the dole.

    We’ll also put in nurses, police, and schools, and then see what happens.

    That most of the kids won’t go to school, having the role model of (often absent) dads and mums to follow, is OK though….

    Alarming rise in truancy numbers across the Northern Territory

    Thousands of kids are missing out on going to school each day in the Northern Territory, with attendance rates plummeting as low as 18 per cent in some areas.

    NATASHA EMECK, NT News

    Thousands of kids are missing out on going to school each day in the Northern Territory, with attendance rates plummeting as low as 18 per cent in some areas.

    Attendance rates have declined across 90 government schools in the NT, according to the latest available Department of Education data.

    The figures show up to 30 schools had rates under 50 per cent during term two this year.

    But it’s the new term three statistics that have Barkly mayor Steve Edgington worried.

    He said the school attendance had become so bad in Tennant Creek that up to 200 students a day were not going to school.

    It’s a significant number considering only 513 students are enrolled across the remote town’s primary and high school this year.

    “Those are shocking numbers,” Mr Edgington said.

    “When you combine that with the escalating property crime and overcrowding in Tennant Creek — it’s only a matter of time before we’re faced with another crisis.”

    In term three, student attendance fell at Tennant Creek High School plunged to 56 per cent — 10 per cent worse than it was five years ago.

    Attendance also fell by four per cent at the Tennant Creek Primary School over the same period with 63 per cent.

    When asked, an Education Department spokeswoman told the Sunday Territorian the Government could not provide the term three statistics for all schools for another week as Education Minister Selena Uibo was yet to see them, instead providing data for just Tennant Creek.

    Ms Uibo said the Gunner Government had initiatives in place to boost student attendance in Tennant Creek.

    “In early 2019, we invested in the expansion of Clontarf to Tennant Creek Primary School, which has already shown significant improvement in attendance,” she said.

    “In the current financial year, we have invested $2 million for a dedicated Clontarf and Stars space at Tennant Creek High School.

    “These valuable programs have been proven to dramatically increase attendance and school completion rates.”

    Schools on Groote Eylandt continued to have the lowest rates across the NT in term two, including the Angurugu School (18 per cent) and the Alyarrmandumanja Umbakumba School (28.6 per cent).

    Attendance also slipped further at the Papunya School which has dropped from 68 per cent in 2010 to 35 per cent in term two this year.

  211. The second day of summer.

    Tomorrow Summary
    Min 9
    Max 15
    Showers, easing later.
    Possible rainfall: 1 to 2 mm
    Chance of any rain: 80%

    Melbourne area

    Cloudy. High (80%) chance of showers, most likely in the morning and afternoon with possible hail. Winds westerly 25 to 40 km/h.

  212. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    Yeah Elle – ticker went on strike – again.

    The Nurse Ratchets’ idea of TLC was not to twist the needle too much when taking blood samples.
    Nurse Ratchet #2 was particularly mindful of my welfare after I discovered I could set off the alarm on The Machine That Goes Bing! by holding my breath. Took her over an hour to figure out what I was doing and adjusted it so it didn’t happen anymore.

    Definitely a killjoy with no sense of humour.

  213. Top Ender

    What a great idea!

    Let’s have “communities” across the Outback.

    There won’t be any jobs there, so we’ll pay everyone the dole.

    We’ll also put in nurses, police, and schools, and then see what happens.

    That most of the kids won’t go to school, having the role model of (often absent) dads and mums to follow, is OK though….

    Alarming rise in truancy numbers across the Northern Territory

    Thousands of kids are missing out on going to school each day in the Northern Territory, with attendance rates plummeting as low as 18 per cent in some areas.

    NATASHA EMECK, NT News

    Thousands of kids are missing out on going to school each day in the Northern Territory, with attendance rates plummeting as low as 18 per cent in some areas.

    Attendance rates have declined across 90 government schools in the NT, according to the latest available Department of Education data.

    The figures show up to 30 schools had rates under 50 per cent during term two this year.

    But it’s the new term three statistics that have Barkly mayor Steve Edgington worried.

    He said the school attendance had become so bad in Tennant Creek that up to 200 students a day were not going to school.

    It’s a significant number considering only 513 students are enrolled across the remote town’s primary and high school this year.

    “Those are shocking numbers,” Mr Edgington said.

    “When you combine that with the escalating property crime and overcrowding in Tennant Creek — it’s only a matter of time before we’re faced with another crisis.”

    In term three, student attendance fell at Tennant Creek High School plunged to 56 per cent — 10 per cent worse than it was five years ago.

    Attendance also fell by four per cent at the Tennant Creek Primary School over the same period with 63 per cent.

    When asked, an Education Department spokeswoman told the Sunday Territorian the Government could not provide the term three statistics for all schools for another week as Education Minister Selena Uibo was yet to see them, instead providing data for just Tennant Creek.

    Ms Uibo said the Gunner Government had initiatives in place to boost student attendance in Tennant Creek.

    “In early 2019, we invested in the expansion of Clontarf to Tennant Creek Primary School, which has already shown significant improvement in attendance,” she said.

    “In the current financial year, we have invested $2 million for a dedicated Clontarf and Stars space at Tennant Creek High School.

    “These valuable programs have been proven to dramatically increase attendance and school completion rates.”

    Schools on Groote Eylandt continued to have the lowest rates across the NT in term two, including the Angurugu School (18 per cent) and the Alyarrmandumanja Umbakumba School (28.6 per cent).

    Attendance also slipped further at the Papunya School which has dropped from 68 per cent in 2010 to 35 per cent in term two this year.

  214. Top Ender

    What a great idea!

    Let’s have “communities” across the Outback.

    There won’t be any jobs there, so we’ll pay everyone the dole.

    We’ll also put in nurses, police, and schools, and then see what happens.

    That most of the kids won’t go to school, having the role model of (often absent) dads and mums to follow, is OK though….

    Alarming rise in truancy numbers across the Northern Territory

    Thousands of kids are missing out on going to school each day in the Northern Territory, with attendance rates plummeting as low as 18 per cent in some areas.

    NATASHA EMECK, NT News

    Thousands of kids are missing out on going to school each day in the Northern Territory, with attendance rates plummeting as low as 18 per cent in some areas.

    Attendance rates have declined across 90 government schools in the NT, according to the latest available Department of Education data.

    The figures show up to 30 schools had rates under 50 per cent during term two this year.

    But it’s the new term three statistics that have Barkly mayor Steve Edgington worried.

    He said the school attendance had become so bad in Tennant Creek that up to 200 students a day were not going to school.

    It’s a significant number considering only 513 students are enrolled across the remote town’s primary and high school this year.

    “Those are shocking numbers,” Mr Edgington said.

    “When you combine that with the escalating property crime and overcrowding in Tennant Creek — it’s only a matter of time before we’re faced with another crisis.”

    In term three, student attendance fell at Tennant Creek High School plunged to 56 per cent — 10 per cent worse than it was five years ago.

    Attendance also fell by four per cent at the Tennant Creek Primary School over the same period with 63 per cent.

    When asked, an Education Department spokeswoman told the Sunday Territorian the Government could not provide the term three statistics for all schools for another week as Education Minister Selena Uibo was yet to see them, instead providing data for just Tennant Creek.

    Ms Uibo said the Gunner Government had initiatives in place to boost student attendance in Tennant Creek.

    “In early 2019, we invested in the expansion of Clontarf to Tennant Creek Primary School, which has already shown significant improvement in attendance,” she said.

    “In the current financial year, we have invested $2 million for a dedicated Clontarf and Stars space at Tennant Creek High School.

    “These valuable programs have been proven to dramatically increase attendance and school completion rates.”

    Schools on Groote Eylandt continued to have the lowest rates across the NT in term two, including the Angurugu School (18 per cent) and the Alyarrmandumanja Umbakumba School (28.6 per cent).

    Attendance also slipped further at the Papunya School which has dropped from 68 per cent in 2010 to 35 per cent in term two this year.

  215. Top Ender

    What a great idea!

    Let’s have “communities” across the Outback.

    There won’t be any jobs there, so we’ll pay everyone the dole.

    We’ll also put in nurses, police, and schools, and then see what happens.

    That most of the kids won’t go to school, having the role model of (often absent) dads and mums to follow, is OK though….

    Alarming rise in truancy numbers across the Northern Territory

    Thousands of kids are missing out on going to school each day in the Northern Territory, with attendance rates plummeting as low as 18 per cent in some areas.

    NATASHA EMECK, NT News

    Thousands of kids are missing out on going to school each day in the Northern Territory, with attendance rates plummeting as low as 18 per cent in some areas.

    Attendance rates have declined across 90 government schools in the NT, according to the latest available Department of Education data.

    The figures show up to 30 schools had rates under 50 per cent during term two this year.

    But it’s the new term three statistics that have Barkly mayor Steve Edgington worried.

    He said the school attendance had become so bad in Tennant Creek that up to 200 students a day were not going to school.

    It’s a significant number considering only 513 students are enrolled across the remote town’s primary and high school this year.

    “Those are shocking numbers,” Mr Edgington said.

    “When you combine that with the escalating property crime and overcrowding in Tennant Creek — it’s only a matter of time before we’re faced with another crisis.”

    In term three, student attendance fell at Tennant Creek High School plunged to 56 per cent — 10 per cent worse than it was five years ago.

    Attendance also fell by four per cent at the Tennant Creek Primary School over the same period with 63 per cent.

    When asked, an Education Department spokeswoman told the Sunday Territorian the Government could not provide the term three statistics for all schools for another week as Education Minister Selena Uibo was yet to see them, instead providing data for just Tennant Creek.

    Ms Uibo said the Gunner Government had initiatives in place to boost student attendance in Tennant Creek.

    “In early 2019, we invested in the expansion of Clontarf to Tennant Creek Primary School, which has already shown significant improvement in attendance,” she said.

    “In the current financial year, we have invested $2 million for a dedicated Clontarf and Stars space at Tennant Creek High School.

    “These valuable programs have been proven to dramatically increase attendance and school completion rates.”

    Schools on Groote Eylandt continued to have the lowest rates across the NT in term two, including the Angurugu School (18 per cent) and the Alyarrmandumanja Umbakumba School (28.6 per cent).

    Attendance also slipped further at the Papunya School which has dropped from 68 per cent in 2010 to 35 per cent in term two this year.

  216. Top Ender

    What a great idea!

    Let’s have “communities” across the Outback.

    There won’t be any jobs there, so we’ll pay everyone the dole.

    We’ll also put in nurses, police, and schools, and then see what happens.

    That most of the kids won’t go to school, having the role model of (often absent) dads and mums to follow, is OK though….

    Alarming rise in truancy numbers across the Northern Territory

    Thousands of kids are missing out on going to school each day in the Northern Territory, with attendance rates plummeting as low as 18 per cent in some areas.

    NATASHA EMECK, NT News

    Thousands of kids are missing out on going to school each day in the Northern Territory, with attendance rates plummeting as low as 18 per cent in some areas.

    Attendance rates have declined across 90 government schools in the NT, according to the latest available Department of Education data.

    The figures show up to 30 schools had rates under 50 per cent during term two this year.

    But it’s the new term three statistics that have Barkly mayor Steve Edgington worried.

    He said the school attendance had become so bad in Tennant Creek that up to 200 students a day were not going to school.

    It’s a significant number considering only 513 students are enrolled across the remote town’s primary and high school this year.

    “Those are shocking numbers,” Mr Edgington said.

    “When you combine that with the escalating property crime and overcrowding in Tennant Creek — it’s only a matter of time before we’re faced with another crisis.”

    In term three, student attendance fell at Tennant Creek High School plunged to 56 per cent — 10 per cent worse than it was five years ago.

    Attendance also fell by four per cent at the Tennant Creek Primary School over the same period with 63 per cent.

    When asked, an Education Department spokeswoman told the Sunday Territorian the Government could not provide the term three statistics for all schools for another week as Education Minister Selena Uibo was yet to see them, instead providing data for just Tennant Creek.

    Ms Uibo said the Gunner Government had initiatives in place to boost student attendance in Tennant Creek.

    “In early 2019, we invested in the expansion of Clontarf to Tennant Creek Primary School, which has already shown significant improvement in attendance,” she said.

    “In the current financial year, we have invested $2 million for a dedicated Clontarf and Stars space at Tennant Creek High School.

    “These valuable programs have been proven to dramatically increase attendance and school completion rates.”

    Schools on Groote Eylandt continued to have the lowest rates across the NT in term two, including the Angurugu School (18 per cent) and the Alyarrmandumanja Umbakumba School (28.6 per cent).

    Attendance also slipped further at the Papunya School which has dropped from 68 per cent in 2010 to 35 per cent in term two this year.

  217. zyconoclast

    Condominium is one of those interesting words which means such different things to different groups of native English speakers.

    I thought this is what the word meant.

  218. Juan

    Cyclists have HIV and are gay.
    Everyone knows this.

    I didn’t know.

    All I can think about now is poor Kevin Andrews! 🤣

  219. Top Ender

    Well, just tried to post an article about massive truancy rates in the NT, but the system is not processing it.

    Doesn’t go into spam, just doesn’t post.

    Most mysterious!

  220. Top Ender

    What a great idea!

    Let’s have “communities” across the Outback.

    There won’t be any jobs there, so we’ll pay everyone the dole.

    We’ll also put in nurses, police, and schools, and then see what happens.

    That most of the kids won’t go to school, having the role model of (often absent) dads and mums to follow, is OK though….

    Alarming rise in truancy numbers across the Northern Territory

    Thousands of kids are missing out on going to school each day in the Northern Territory, with attendance rates plummeting as low as 18 per cent in some areas.

    NATASHA EMECK, NT News

    Thousands of kids are missing out on going to school each day in the Northern Territory, with attendance rates plummeting as low as 18 per cent in some areas.

    Attendance rates have declined across 90 government schools in the NT, according to the latest available Department of Education data.

    The figures show up to 30 schools had rates under 50 per cent during term two this year.

    But it’s the new term three statistics that have Barkly mayor Steve Edgington worried.

    He said the school attendance had become so bad in Tennant Creek that up to 200 students a day were not going to school.

    It’s a significant number considering only 513 students are enrolled across the remote town’s primary and high school this year.

    “Those are shocking numbers,” Mr Edgington said.

    “When you combine that with the escalating property crime and overcrowding in Tennant Creek — it’s only a matter of time before we’re faced with another crisis.”

    In term three, student attendance fell at Tennant Creek High School plunged to 56 per cent — 10 per cent worse than it was five years ago.

    Attendance also fell by four per cent at the Tennant Creek Primary School over the same period with 63 per cent.

    When asked, an Education Department spokeswoman told the Sunday Territorian the Government could not provide the term three statistics for all schools for another week as Education Minister Selena Uibo was yet to see them, instead providing data for just Tennant Creek.

    Ms Uibo said the Gunner Government had initiatives in place to boost student attendance in Tennant Creek.

    “In early 2019, we invested in the expansion of Clontarf to Tennant Creek Primary School, which has already shown significant improvement in attendance,” she said.

    “In the current financial year, we have invested $2 million for a dedicated Clontarf and Stars space at Tennant Creek High School.

    “These valuable programs have been proven to dramatically increase attendance and school completion rates.”

    Schools on Groote Eylandt continued to have the lowest rates across the NT in term two, including the Angurugu School (18 per cent) and the Alyarrmandumanja Umbakumba School (28.6 per cent).

    Attendance also slipped further at the Papunya School which has dropped from 68 per cent in 2010 to 35 per cent in term two this year.

  221. Infidel Tiger

    The year is 2019. A Polish man with a narwhal tusk takes down a terrorist on Tower Bridge who has just stabbed to death a young Christian man who was assisting him with creative writing classes in order to deradicalise him after his release from prison.

    Even a peyote and mushroom bender couldn’t make this stuff up.

  222. Knuckle Dragger

    There was a piece upthread about Rhodesia, and it should be a salutary lesson for everyone – and I mean everyone – in this country as to what happens when you let tribalistic minority politics enter into a country with a booming economy, and is the envy of others all around it.

    Tribal groups on any scale – from those in ‘communities’ to a national level – jostle and scuffle for power, whether it be control of the local shop to multi-million dollar royalty payments. Big Men undercut and eliminate opponents left right and centre. In (parts of) this country, the TV camera and the courtroom have replaced the nulla as the means to their ends.

    Observe how the action starts whenever a significant mining deposit is found in a vast emptiness you wouldn’t let cattle on. No one tribe lays claim to the land unopposed by others, and the battles go for decades. Muckaty Station, 120 odd klicks north of Tennant Creek and once touted as a potential nuclear waste dump is still being fought over by four separate tribal groups well after the plan was shelved – partially because that issue couldn’t be resolved.

    Whether it be the so-white-they’re-pale-blue Sydney fauxboriginal academics or the Yolgnu at Gove, those with relative power bring their tribal allies close to them – no matter how incompetent – at the expense of all others, just as they had done 20,000 years ago and with identical results.

    And in the same mould as every single African dictator, once in the big chairs the Big Men shamelessly plunder resources and growth that should have gone to the smaller people until they are unbelievably wealthy and the rest live in poverty. Witness ATSIC, and the NT Northern and Central Land Councils where its unelected leaders live in mansions and had – until (temporarily) stopped, as though by afterthought – stables of 4WDs and jetskis stored in Brisbane and Sydney, all bought with money intended by the Australian taxpayer to stop indig kids living under corrugated iron in the desert.

    Yunupingu did not build his own mansion on the very remote Arnhem Land coast at unimaginable expense where the ordinary punters couldn’t get near it. Every single blackfella bearing (or having stolen) that name is treated like royalty in NE NT, and almost every single other tribe lives in their own shit. It didn’t happen by accident.

    The foundations for tribal dictatorships have already been laid in the Territory in Gove and Timber Creek, and WA is drawing close fast.

    There is no United Voice, and never will be. Tribal blood runs deep, no matter the continent in which you live, and it will never change because it’s dictated by primal human nature.

    Ans the sooner those who purport to administer this country realise this, the better we all will be.

  223. Top Ender

    What a great idea!

    Let’s have “communities” across the Outback.

    There won’t be any jobs there, so we’ll pay everyone the dole.

    We’ll also put in nurses, police, and schools, and then see what happens.

    That most of the kids won’t go to school, having the role model of (often absent) dads and mums to follow, is OK though….

    Alarming rise in truancy numbers across the Northern Territory

    Thousands of kids are missing out on going to school each day in the Northern Territory, with attendance rates plummeting as low as 18 per cent in some areas.

    NATASHA EMECK, NT News

    Thousands of kids are missing out on going to school each day in the Northern Territory, with attendance rates plummeting as low as 18 per cent in some areas.

    Attendance rates have declined across 90 government schools in the NT, according to the latest available Department of Education data.

    The figures show up to 30 schools had rates under 50 per cent during term two this year.

    But it’s the new term three statistics that have Barkly mayor Steve Edgington worried.

    He said the school attendance had become so bad in Tennant Creek that up to 200 students a day were not going to school.

    It’s a significant number considering only 513 students are enrolled across the remote town’s primary and high school this year.

    “Those are shocking numbers,” Mr Edgington said.

    “When you combine that with the escalating property crime and overcrowding in Tennant Creek — it’s only a matter of time before we’re faced with another crisis.”

    In term three, student attendance fell at Tennant Creek High School plunged to 56 per cent — 10 per cent worse than it was five years ago.

    Attendance also fell by four per cent at the Tennant Creek Primary School over the same period with 63 per cent.

    When asked, an Education Department spokeswoman told the Sunday Territorian the Government could not provide the term three statistics for all schools for another week as Education Minister Selena Uibo was yet to see them, instead providing data for just Tennant Creek.

    Ms Uibo said the Gunner Government had initiatives in place to boost student attendance in Tennant Creek.

    “In early 2019, we invested in the expansion of Clontarf to Tennant Creek Primary School, which has already shown significant improvement in attendance,” she said.

    “In the current financial year, we have invested $2 million for a dedicated Clontarf and Stars space at Tennant Creek High School.

    “These valuable programs have been proven to dramatically increase attendance and school completion rates.”

    Schools on Groote Eylandt continued to have the lowest rates across the NT in term two, including the Angurugu School (18 per cent) and the Alyarrmandumanja Umbakumba School (28.6 per cent).

    Attendance also slipped further at the Papunya School which has dropped from 68 per cent in 2010 to 35 per cent in term two this year.

  224. Juan

    Condominium is one of those interesting words which means such different things to different groups of native English speakers.

    I thought this is what the word meant.

    However you pronounce it, Americans apparently like living in them. 😜

  225. 8th Dan

    Proof you can always trust TheirABC. Especially when it comes to statistics.

    ABC is just the messenger … they are WA Health Dept stats.

    Almost all of those men are aged over 40, were born in Australia and picked up the virus having unprotected sex with women overseas, most commonly in South-East Asia.

  226. Top Ender

    What a great idea!

    Let’s have “communities” across the Outback.

    There won’t be any jobs there, so we’ll pay everyone the dole.

    We’ll also put in nurses, police, and schools, and then see what happens.

    That most of the kids won’t go to school, having the role model of (often absent) dads and mums to follow, is OK though….

    Alarming rise in truancy numbers across the Northern Territory

    Thousands of kids are missing out on going to school each day in the Northern Territory, with attendance rates plummeting as low as 18 per cent in some areas.

    NATASHA EMECK, NT News

    Thousands of kids are missing out on going to school each day in the Northern Territory, with attendance rates plummeting as low as 18 per cent in some areas.

    Attendance rates have declined across 90 government schools in the NT, according to the latest available Department of Education data.

    The figures show up to 30 schools had rates under 50 per cent during term two this year.

    But it’s the new term three statistics that have Barkly mayor Steve Edgington worried.

    He said the school attendance had become so bad in Tennant Creek that up to 200 students a day were not going to school.

    It’s a significant number considering only 513 students are enrolled across the remote town’s primary and high school this year.

    “Those are shocking numbers,” Mr Edgington said.

    “When you combine that with the escalating property crime and overcrowding in Tennant Creek — it’s only a matter of time before we’re faced with another crisis.”

    In term three, student attendance fell at Tennant Creek High School plunged to 56 per cent — 10 per cent worse than it was five years ago.

    Attendance also fell by four per cent at the Tennant Creek Primary School over the same period with 63 per cent.

    When asked, an Education Department spokeswoman told the Sunday Territorian the Government could not provide the term three statistics for all schools for another week as Education Minister Selena Uibo was yet to see them, instead providing data for just Tennant Creek.

    Ms Uibo said the Gunner Government had initiatives in place to boost student attendance in Tennant Creek.

    “In early 2019, we invested in the expansion of Clontarf to Tennant Creek Primary School, which has already shown significant improvement in attendance,” she said.

    “In the current financial year, we have invested $2 million for a dedicated Clontarf and Stars space at Tennant Creek High School.

    “These valuable programs have been proven to dramatically increase attendance and school completion rates.”

    Schools on Groote Eylandt continued to have the lowest rates across the NT in term two, including the Angurugu School (18 per cent) and the [deleted because the system couldn’t process it] School (28.6 per cent).

    Attendance also slipped further at the Papunya School which has dropped from 68 per cent in 2010 to 35 per cent in term two this year.

  227. Knuckle Dragger

    TE,

    Done that. I’m getting a flat blue screen. Everything’s unplugged now. I’m waiting for another half hour before the red mist sets in.

  228. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    the sooner those who purport to administer this country realise this, the better we all will be.

    True Knuckles.
    But don’t hold your breath.

  229. EvilElvis

    Cyclists have HIV and are gay.

    #dontshareseatposts
    #keepseatpostssafe

  230. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    I’m getting a flat blue screen.

    Oh noes – not The Blue Screen of Death?
    Is it only Foxtel, or everything?

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