UK Election Open Thread

I’ve taken all of this, including the title, from our Canadian sister-blog Small Dead Animals.

Welcome to the 2019 general election, a pre-Christmas present few British voters seem anxious to unwrap.

Current seat distribution:

General election 2019: A really simple guide.

Poll tracker here.

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165 Responses to UK Election Open Thread

  1. a happy little debunker

    Bojo or Jew-go?

  2. Scott Osmond

    Tori victory by the 30 /40 range. It should be a complete wipeout but human stupidity can’t be overestimated. Secondly the Tories have done their best to throw the win. Everything from climate change to open borders they are just another flavour of the globohomo elite. We aren’t as bad as the other left parties isn’t a recipe for crushing success.

  3. Bruce of Newcastle

    Delingpole says it’s another Flight 93 election.
    For the Poms he could be right.

    Delingpole: Strap in Tight! This is Britain’s Flight 93 Election

    Boris has one job. Leave. No ifs, no buts.
    Afterwards hand over to the Mogg.

  4. cuckoo

    FWIW, Cuckoo’s law of election polling, which I expect to apply here:

    If polls say landslide for the Left, expect a narrow win for the left or a draw
    If polls say narrow win for the Left, expect a narrow-to-comfortable win for the Right
    If polls say too close to call, expect comfortable-to-landslide win for the Right
    If polls say narrow win for the Right, expect total bloodbath landslide victory for the Right

  5. Mak Siccar

    Clean out the history and all of the cookies in your browser and read this, if you will. It probably resonates with many Oz voters too.

    https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/12/why-im-voting-for-none-of-the-above/

    To choose is to endorse. But this is an election in which, for myriad reasons, all the options are deplorable. To choose one of them, even on a least-bad basis, feels like a kind of capitulation. So I will vote tomorrow but I shall, for the first time, spoil my ballot. None of the Above has my vote.

    I want no part of this election and desire no share, however tiny, of the responsibility that comes with endorsing any of the candidates representing the major parties. To choose is to sanction and, in this election, that’s intolerable and impossible.

  6. cuckoo

    read this, if you will

    I did, but stopped at the point where I realized the author belives Johnson’s tories are not “moderate” enough:

    We are asked to believe that a Tory party that has divested itself – purged is the more appropriate term – of much of its moderate wing

    He also belives governments are supposed to display “empathy”. No, they are not. It’s this blackmail demand to simulate an unfelt and unwarranted synthetic “empathy” that is crippling governance throughout the Anglosphere.

  7. Tom

    Poll tracker here.

    Give us a spell, Steve: that’s where I’d go to be totally misinformed about the election and its result. The Graniaud’s “reporting” can only be understood if you hate Brexit (i.e. democracy) and believe more government is the solution for everything.

    It will begin with “exit polls” tonight Australian time, which will proclaim an upset Labour victory based on what Labour voters are saying about the ballots they cast in inner London.

  8. Ubique

    The Express publishes an election eve story on the bookies’ odds for the election. Putting $100 on the Conservatives to win will net you $4 when Boris slays Corbyn and the Remoaners.

  9. Professor Fred Lenin

    Brexit depends on bow many conservative members are remainers ready to betray the voters like the last lot of treasonous dogs . Career politicans are scum ,should be declared vermin . Farage and Trump are not career politicans .

  10. Professor Fred Lenin

    Bookies arent always winners large numbers have gone broke over the years ,

  11. a reader

    If this isn’t a stonking Conservative & Unionist majority I’ll be recommending to my bestie that her and her family move out forthwith

  12. Dr Faustus

    Going to go bold on the UK election result.
    NFI.

    It’s a first past the post contest, so the minor party vote generally only comes into play with a hung/on the scaffold parliament. As wise people here have noted, the punters really have a choice of two flavours, both headed by quite loathsome Leaders.

    It’s a jump into the whacky world of socialism and ‘fairness’ – or more agonised deception and internal contradiction. No good choices – but one absolute horror, that could get up because of Corbyn’s cleverly two-faced position on Brexit.

    Under the circumstances, have to hope there are Shy Tories at the bottom of enough gardens.

    [misposted on OT]

  13. Squirrel

    If the worst happens it will be a truly dark day for Britain, but some talented and enterprising people will be looking for a new home in Australia.

  14. Professor Fred Lenin

    Squirrel ,probably be rejected not the right colour or religion ,cant have them upsetting cultimulturism after all that carefull lying and deceit the left has done .

  15. Delingpole says it’s another Flight 93 election.

    ALWAYS BET ON BLACK FLAG!

  16. Leigh Lowe

    Professor Fred Lenin

    #3259379, posted on December 12, 2019 at 2:47 pm

    Brexit depends on bow many conservative members are remainers ready to betray the voters like the last lot of treasonous dogs . 

    That is a risk, Fred.
    Boris gets an absolute majority but only by 3 or 4 seats.
    A couple of grandstanders start to waver.
    If he has a majority of 10 or 12, he can cut any individuals from the herd without sinking.

  17. JC

    Currency market seems to be predicting conservative win as it higher.

  18. and we’ve heard even Cronkite’s going to say the war is now unwinnable

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-12-08/why-the-workington-man-could-decide-the-uk-election/11772452

    “It is a big decision for someone like myself who has voted Labour all my life to back Boris Johnson but that is exactly what I’m going to do,” Mr Ridley tells the ABC from his home just outside Workington.

    “I think the Labour Party no longer represents the working man of the north, so that’s why I’ll vote Conservative.

    “It is difficult for somebody with my background to vote Conservative, but I feel it will be best for certainly my family and the country.”

  19. Nelson Kidd-Players

    Closing time!

  20. 2dogs

    Exit poll result
    The first prediction of the potential outcome of the election is here.

    Tory: 368
    Labour: 191

  21. Infidel Tiger

    Conservatives could win and lose Boris, thanks to the filth who live in London.

  22. Infidel Tiger

    If Exits are right (they never are) we can start calling her Great Britain again.

  23. 2dogs

    That would be the biggest Conservative majority since Thatcher.

  24. lotocoti

    Who best to keep an eye on during the count?
    The slightly sad Morning Star, the unhinged @PeoplesMomentum, or battyman Owen Jones.

  25. herodotus

    BBC Bint on SBS calls Boris “divisive”.
    With the likely loss of lots of Labour seats, will she say the same of Corbyn?
    For as long as I can remember (started taking an interest in politics in the Whitlam era) the media only call conservatives divisive.

  26. Infidel Tiger

    London will boom on this result (if it eventuates) and the stupid shits who live their all voted for a commie.

    Strange old world.

  27. 2dogs

    London will boom on this result

    I assume you mean the financial markets; in that case, you’re right.

    However, the UK’s membership of the EU has had a net effect of prospering London at the expense of rural England, so I wouldn’t say a “boom” for London specifically. Certainly, a boom for the overall UK as it starts to sign FTAs.

  28. herodotus

    The tally rooms have flicked the switch to team-sport-vaudeville with people running the boxes in from the car park, and the reporter (who looks like the negative print of Ellen) revving up her tv audience and conveying the excitement and buzz of it all!

  29. struth

    If the worst happens it will be a truly dark day for Britain, but some talented and enterprising people will be looking for a new home in Australia.

    The Australian government are not interested in that.

    If the are not mooooooosies or Pakistanis , the are not wanted here.
    Bringing in qualified professional white people…………………………………don’t make me laugh.

  30. BBC Bint on SBS calls Boris “divisive”.

    Please.

    He’s a milquetoast fence sitter (no beanie) with some rather progressive views.

    Strange how Brexit really has become a left/right issue. Consider how Plaid Cymru, Sinn Fein and the SNP are actually leftist. They want to be independent nations in the EU.

    They’ve probably forgotten what independence actually entails other than being rude to their English brothers.

  31. Entropy

    If those polls bear any connection to the real outcome at all, expect endless calls for
    * the introduction of compulsory voting
    * the introduction of compulsory preferential voting
    * lowering of the voting age.

    Can’t have the managerial class treated so badly by the plebs. The above would theoretically give control back to those that know they should have it.

  32. Infidel Tiger

    Remember, Exit Polls always skew left. Proper conservatives would never talk to someone so rude as to enquire as to how you cast your vote.

    Could be a 100 seat majority!

    Oh, Monty!

  33. Entropy

    Strange how Brexit really has become a left/right issue. Consider how Plaid Cymru, Sinn Fein and the SNP are actually leftist. They want to be independent nations in the EU.

    Because dreams such as the glorious EU are essentially international socialist wet dreams.

  34. Fisky

    Boris has form as a slayer of the Far Left. Beat Livingstone twice as mayor of London and now this. Brilliant campaigner, even better than Trump in many ways.

  35. Juan

    The exit poll says the SNP will win 55 seats; triggering this:

    Ruth Davidson: I’ll go skinny dipping in Loch Ness if the SNP win 50 seats‘:

    ‘She said: “I will happily wager to strip naked on the banks of Loch Ness and subject myself to a Hogmanay wild swimming session should such a result occur”.’

    Ruth Davidson is the former Scottish Conservative leader, and probably the most popular politician in Scotland.

  36. Rebel with cause

    Anthony Green now saying that if Boris has big majority, he will be able to ‘sideline Brexit hardliners’. The new hope!

  37. Rococo Liberal

    Hallo, hooray what a nice day, for the Eton Rifles, Eton Rifles

  38. struth

    Because dreams such as the glorious EU are essentially international socialist wet dreams.

    As Climate change is a left/ right thing.
    Those in the liberal party that believe it are leftists as well.

    Arrr, We Scots dunny want terr be tied to England, we want terr be an Independent nation Goverrrrned by Brrrrrrussels.

  39. Juan

    Remember, Exit Polls always skew left. Proper conservatives would never talk to someone so rude as to enquire as to how you cast your vote.

    This exit poll is different. No one has to tell the pollster face-to-face who they just voted for. Respondents are given a replica ballot paper which once filled in isn’t seen by the person handing it out.

  40. Infidel Tiger

    James Forsyth
    @JGForsyth
    ·
    20m
    Exit poll predicts that the Tories have won Tony Blair’s old seat of Sedgefield. Jeremy Corbn really has buried New Labour

  41. struth

    This exit poll is different. No one has to tell the pollster face-to-face who they just voted for. Respondents are given a replica ballot paper which once filled in isn’t seen by the person handing it out.

    Naivety is alive and well here.

    Because the media always report the truth and Pollsters don’t pick polling stations…………………..

  42. Juan

    Anthony Green now saying that if Boris has big majority, he will be able to ‘sideline Brexit hardliners’. The new hope!

    What this means is Boris can be Boris.

    But who exactly is Boris? Well this is what he told Guto Harri (at just after the 32 minute mark of a recent Electioncast podcast), whom he employed when he was Mayor of London, in an interview on Harri’s Welsh radio programme:

    “When I asked him what happened to the nice guy I worked for, the guy who was pro-immigration and all that, he basically said he hasn’t changed, and come, come victory, if he secures it next week, and post-brexit, then he insists he still is that one-nation liberal conservative that’s broadminded and wants to be liked across the political spectrum.”

  43. Rococo Liberal

    The Labour slogan:

    For the many, not the jew

  44. A Lurker

    If Boris wins with a big majority I predict that this will happen.

  45. struth

    Even if Boris wins there will be no clean Brexit.
    It will be a deal that keeps them in just enough to still be able to hand power back to the EU incrementally over a couple of years, once everyone falls asleep again.

    I reckon Farage has made a blue here again, as he did by believing the referendum had seen his job done.

  46. Bubbles

    So all of the SNP gains come from Labour.
    Meaningless. Drunken dole bludgers trying to maintain their Reich provided free stuff.
    No wonder that the Poms detest them. What a sad collapse of a once proud culture.

  47. Rococo Liberal

    Stop being a negative nellie, Struth and enjoy the spectacle of the toffs beating the midlle class oiks

  48. hzhousewife

    Remember, Exit Polls always skew left. Proper conservatives would never talk to someone so rude as to enquire as to how you cast your vote.

    Saw Laura Jayes street polling last night and ONE lady declined to reveal who she was intending to vote for, then she declined to reveal whether she was in favor of Brexit or not as well.

    Good for her.

  49. Nelson Kidd-Players

    Many of the Scots with get-up-and-go got up and went. Including my grandfather with my Yorkshire grandmother.

  50. Juan

    Even if Boris wins there will be no clean Brexit.
    It will be a deal that keeps them in just enough to still be able to hand power back to the EU incrementally over a couple of years, once everyone falls asleep again.

    Very likely. The future relationship treaty can pass parliament without the ERG ‘Spartans’.

    Question: will Boris take the whip away from any rebels that time? Probably not, it it doesn’t affect the passing of the treaty into law.

    I reckon Farage has made a blue here again, as he did by believing the referendum had seen his job done.

    With the benefit of hindsight, the mistake was for TBP to stand down in Conservative-held seats. That was their opportunity to hold the Tories to account and pull them to the right.

  51. Infidel Tiger

    Pull Tories to the right?

    The future of politics is socially conservative, economically centrist.

    Hard right economics are poison.

  52. Juan

    The other barometer through the day, other than the bookmakers, of the upcoming result is of course the Pound.

    It was drifting lower until about 7:30 PM UK time, when it started to rise, then surging after the exit poll was announced shortly after polls closed at 10:00 PM.

    Some people knew 2½ hours early!

  53. Hard right economics are poison.

    Ah yes, like Trump’s corporate tax cuts. 🤣

  54. Juan

    The future of politics is socially conservative, economically centrist.

    Hard right economics are poison.

    In the UK, the future is environmentally liberal. Maybe even in Australia with Scott Morrison’s news conference yesterday!

  55. Arky

    Ah yes, like Trump’s corporate tax cuts. 🤣

    ..
    And his trade war.

  56. Infidel Tiger

    Tax cuts would be even better if they only went to low and middle income earners.

    Corporate taxes should be increased.

    Remove all vexatious taxation on alcohol and tobacco which is a direct attack on the poor.

  57. Infidel Tiger

    Australia and UK election results show that the liberal progressive and twitter users are loud but irrelevant at the ballot box. They unfortunately still have far too much sway polictically because they are well connected.

    A pity Boris will win by such a margin. Large back benches are trouble.

  58. Juan

    The future of politics is socially conservative

    I’m also not sure about the ‘socially conservative’ part, at least in the UK.

    Boris is a social liberal divorcé who lives with his girlfriend in № 10. He banned ‘gay conversion therapy’ ads from London buses. The Church of England is trending liberal with the conservative faction within discredited and mired in scandal.

    I don’t see many indicators pointing to traditional social conservatism.

  59. Infidel Tiger

    Neoliberalism is dead. All that is left to do is defile the corpse.

  60. Juan

    One thing Boris has in common with Trump: he doesn’t really care about budget deficits.

    Which means Australia is the last nation in the Anglosphere where ‘conservative’ also means ‘fiscal conservative’ (at least until 30 June 2020, and then who knows, even ScoMo might open the spending taps.)

  61. Leigh Lowe

    Did Hugh Grant hold his seat?

  62. Fisky

    Another massive victory for immigration restriction.

  63. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    Anyone who think that vainglorious mop headed Partridgesque fraud will deliver Brexit is even madder and stupider than Corbyn (who is a more committed Brexiteer, albeit for all the wrong reasons).

  64. Juan

    Another massive victory for immigration restriction.

    Boris promised to implement Australia’s immigration system in the UK.

    Restriction, you say … ? 🧐

  65. Fisky
    #3260142, posted on December 13, 2019 at 10:07 am

    Another massive victory for immigration restriction.

    From Boris Milky Toast Johnson?

    Really?

    Dear old SM III reckons he can’t even get Brexit with a huge endowment.

  66. Leigh Lowe

    Remove all vexatious taxation on alcohol and tobacco which is a direct attack on the poor.

    I’ve told you before you wimp.
    Alcohol and smokes should not only have taxes reduced.
    They should heavily subsidised.
    Preferably by a tax on tofu, kale and all bicycles costing over $500.

  67. Juan

    Anyone who think that vainglorious mop headed Partridgesque fraud will deliver Brexit is even madder and stupider than Corbyn (who is a more committed Brexiteer, albeit for all the wrong reasons).

    For a lot of Brexiteers, especially for those who yearn fondly for the glorious days of Empire, their desire for Brexit was an emotional one. Simply being legally out of the EU will satisfy them.

    As long as the Queen is sovereign in a legally sovereign state, all will be right in their eyes.

  68. Leigh Lowe

    Beeby Sea dummy spit.
    “People didn’t vote for how we would leave.”

  69. Indolent

    For a lot of Brexiteers, especially for those who yearn fondly for the glorious days of Empire, their desire for Brexit was an emotional one. Simply being legally out of the EU will satisfy them.

    Not if they still have to answer to European courts and remain tied to the EU’s regulations, which is pretty much what Boris is offering.

  70. Dr Faustus

    The Liberals/Lib Dems traditionally misunderstand their significance:

    Jo Swinson @joswinson

    We are the strongest party of Remain, together we can #StopBrexit and #StopBoris for a #BrighterFuture

    Jo Swinson waits for Lib Dem results as exit poll predicts 13 seats – live
    The exit poll for East Dumbatonshire says she may lose her own seat.

  71. jo

    Infidel Tiger
    #3260131, posted on December 13, 2019 at 9:57 am

    Tax cuts would be even better if they only went to low and middle income earners.

    Corporate taxes should be increased.

    Remove all vexatious taxation on alcohol and tobacco which is a direct attack on the poor.

    Why should the so called poor and half the middle class not be net tax payers. ITS NOT FAIR we hear all the time. The lazy arseholes don’t come to my place to cut the grass and clean up the leaves or do some painting. I’ll come round to your place and help myself to whatever I want cause you’ve got something I haven’t. That’s called theft. Get a life and don’t expect someone else to pay for it.

  72. thefrollickingmole

    Oh dear, my election predicting results for the last 3 majors (Pom, Aus, USA) have all been Monyesque in their prognostications.

    Please dont let it be catching.

  73. Juan

    When watching the constituency result announcements, watch the faces of the candidates.

    They are told the vote tally before they go on stage, so they already know who won and who lost.

  74. Helen

    First 2 seats declared for Corbyn

  75. Juan

    Houghton & Sunderland South: Cons 13k, Lab 16k, TBP 6k.

    The Brexit Party might have cost the Conservatives the chance to take this seat from Labour.

  76. Dr Faustus

    Catallaxy now has three UK election threads.
    With a strong swing towards the Sinclair Davidson one at the top of the blog.

  77. The Brexit Party might have cost the Conservatives the chance to take this seat from Labour.

    Maybe the conservatives ought to have committed to Brexit more seriously.

  78. thefrollickingmole

    Pound surges as exit poll predicts biggest Tory majority since Thatcher
    Sterling jumps two cents against US dollar after exit poll predicts Conservative majority of 86

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/12/pound-surges-as-exit-poll-predicts-biggest-tory-majority-since-thatcher

  79. Confused Old Misfit

    Blyth Valley to cons

  80. Dr Kates’ post has data visualisation.

    Therefore, it is the best.

  81. Juan

    Looks like the Welsh Valleys are turning blue.

  82. Confused Old Misfit

    Looks like the Welsh Valleys are turning blue.

    Somebody spilled the woad?

  83. candy

    Boris turns out to be just so very likeable. I’m sure his personality played a part, not just the blocking of democracy by Labour.

    So he’s done a great job to get elected, now for the tough work.

    I have a hunch he has an eye for the ladies.

  84. Juan

    Watch Darlington when it’s called. Labour looks to be in dire trouble there. Losing the incumbent, Jenny Chapman, would be a big loss for them.

  85. Bubbles

    “Labour has permanently changed the debate in British politics” a Labour spokesmsn has claimed.
    True, but only at the monthly branch meetings at the Mechanics Institute. Iced Vovoes are a fascist plot against workers’ right to dunk. They must be banned.
    Where do they find these morons – South Brisbane?

  86. Dr Faustus

    BBC results website.
    Better interactive maps than Steve Kates.

  87. struth

    For a lot of Brexiteers, especially for those who yearn fondly for the glorious days of Empire, their desire for Brexit was an emotional one. Simply being legally out of the EU will satisfy them.

    Nope, this is only a very small part of it.
    Most Poms are smart enough to realise the need to be a sovereign nation to chose those who would govern them.
    And the EU was very much a presence and intruding and taxing and opening borders etc etc.

    No pom seriously takes the EU as just a trading union.
    They know what it has become.

  88. Leigh Lowe

    Confused Old Misfit
    #3260187, posted on December 13, 2019 at 10:34 am
    Blyth Valley to cons

    Bwah, ha, ha.

    They had set up a rapid count to be done in 45 minutes.
    Obviously to cheer the Labour faithful early in the night.
    The Beeby Sea crossed to an empty hall and a downcast reporter announcing “Houston, we have a problem.”
    Now confirmed.
    Gone.

  89. Leigh Lowe

    Looks like the Welsh Valleys are turning blue.

    I’m the only commie in the village, boyo.

  90. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    Beware years ending in “9”:

    “Labour has permanently changed the debate in British politics” Labour spokesdouche 2019

    “The peasants are revolting” Count De Monet 1789

    “Why do they all look so angry about the chocarat being increased?” Nicolai Ceausescu 1989

  91. Juan

    The exit poll says the SNP will win 55 seats; triggering this:

    Ruth Davidson: I’ll go skinny dipping in Loch Ness if the SNP win 50 seats‘:

    ‘She said: “I will happily wager to strip naked on the banks of Loch Ness and subject myself to a Hogmanay wild swimming session should such a result occur”.’

    Ruth Davidson is the former Scottish Conservative leader, and probably the most popular politician in Scotland.

    And she’s quite likely to do it. She’s ex-military, so little would faze her.

  92. Gab

    Who did monty predict to win?

  93. Best of British to Boris in his attempts to Brexit without bollixing it all up.

  94. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    Who did monty predict to win?

    You have one guess.

  95. Helen

    monty is the a double blind prediction?

  96. Dr Faustus

    Best of British to Boris in his attempts to Brexit without bollixing it all up.

    Based on his track record, the Scottish Court of Petit Malfeasance will be installing Jean Claude Junker as Deputy Prime Minister in January.

  97. stackja

    In one of the first seats to declare, the Conservatives took Blyth Valley in north-east England from Labour.

    This is the first time the former mining area will have a Conservative MP – NHS worker Ian Levy.

    BBC

  98. candy

    Monty, not so much about Brexit but Labour sitting around in Parliament blocking democracy for a couple of years. It’s not what they are paid to do. I imagine Corbyn is somewhat hated over there by now?

    Along comes Boris with his engaging personality and gets to the point.

  99. Juan

    Most Poms are smart enough to realise the need to be a sovereign nation to chose those who would govern them.

    Yes, and for 70 years the same Poms have happily signed away their national right to self-defence to NATO, placing their own nuclear deterrent under the command of a US General.

    A large cohort, I feel the largest cohort, in this group will be none too unhappy for their sovereign parliament to sign up to EU trade rules in order to facilitate trade as free of friction as possible.

    They just voted for a Prime Minister who will require the movement of goods between GB and NI to be accompanied by a pseudo-customs declaration; but legally NI will be out of the EU so that’s all that really matters.

  100. Confused Old Misfit

    Newcastle East: Labour

  101. Confused Old Misfit

    Sunderland Central: Labour

  102. Confused Old Misfit

    That two seats the Brexit Party has screwed up.

  103. struth

    Yes, and for 70 years the same Poms have happily signed away their national right to self-defence

    Calm down sir……………………………..

    Do you really think that?

  104. Juan

    Sunderland Central … Labour by 3,000-odd votes. TBP with 5,000-odd votes.

  105. Bruce of Newcastle

    Newcastle East: Labour

    There’s a telepathic connection between Ncl here and Ncl there.
    That can be the only explanation for why most Novocastrians vote hard left.

  106. Dr Faustus

    Corbyn resignation: Labour to make ‘appropriate decisions’ about leader after crushing election loss, McDonnell says

    [Shadow Chancellor] McDonnell said: “We’ll see the results in the morning and then decisions will be made, I’m sure then. Let’s see the results. We’ll make the appropriate decisions. We’ll always make the decisions in the best interests of our party.”

    Like appointing Corbyn in the first place?

    Labour MP, Siobhain McDonagh, said the result was “one mans fault” – that of Mr Corbyn.

    Labour is heading for an ocean-going, post election blame game.

  107. Juan

    Yes, and for 70 years the same Poms have happily signed away their national right to self-defence

    Calm down sir……………………………..

    Do you really think that?

    I don’t think it; it’s a fact.

    Put in proper context, there are many instances where parts of one nation’s military are placed under a joint command with a foreign general in charge.

    First World War: the armies of the UK and US were under the command of France’s Maréchal Foch.

    Second World War: the army and air force of the UK were under the command of the US’s General Eisenhower.

    A sovereign state can voluntarily cede or share parts of its own sovereignty to or with others; and I say this to illustrate a sovereign UK parliament signing up to EU Common Market trade rules would be a perfectly legitimate exercise of its sovereignty.

  108. stackja

    Newcastle Central was the first seat to declare, with Labour’s Chi Onwurah holding on to the seat, with a reduced majority.

    Labour also held Houghton and Sunderland South, again with a smaller majority.

    The rest of the results are due to come in the early hours, although the final total will not be known until Friday lunchtime.

    The results so far were broadly in line with the exit poll, polling expert Sir John Curtice told BBC News.

    The exit poll was conducted by Ipsos Mori at 144 polling stations, with 22,790 interviews.

    Exit polls have proved to be very accurate in recent years. In 2017 it correctly predicted a hung Parliament, with no overall winner, and in 2015 it predicted the Conservatives would be the largest party.

    The pound surged against the dollar after the exit poll figures were announced, with sterling gaining 3% to $1.35 – its highest level since May last year. The pound also jumped to a three-and-a-half-year high against the euro.

    BBC

  109. Juan

    Like appointing Corbyn in the first place?

    Corbyn wasn’t appointed. He was elected by the party’s membership, which has been stacked by activist group Momentum.

    To underscore Momentum’s influence, from the link above:

    ‘Since January 2017, all Momentum members must also be or become members of the Labour Party. The organisation had 40,000 members in 2019.’

    That’s how you take over a party!

    Now just imagine for a moment if Cory Bernardi had stayed in the Liberal Party and used his nascent Australian Conservatives website as a recruiting tool for the Party, à la Momentum, and then all those new Liberal Party members voted for more conservative candidates and office holders.

  110. stackja

    BBC Politics
    @BBCPolitics
    ·
    2m
    “It’s disastrous, the exit poll is a catastrophe for the Labour Party”

    Labour’s Gareth Snell says he expects to lose his seat in Stoke-on-Trent, blaming his party’s Brexit strategy and leadership

  111. Infidel Tiger

    I see Juan is on another bender.

  112. Confused Old Misfit

    Swindon North: Cons

  113. stackja

    BBC Politics
    @BBCPolitics
    ·
    2m
    John McDonnell blames Brexit for predicted Labour defeat

  114. Juan

    I see Juan is on another bender.

    Only one at a time? You do me an injustice, Sir! 😆

  115. stackja

    Scrolling, scrolling, Rawhide!

  116. Morsie

    Juan is right about Momentum.Have a look at Johnson’s direct opponent.Muslim anti semite former student activist.

  117. struth

    Yes, and for 70 years the same Poms have happily signed away their national right to self-defence

    Rubbish and you know it.

    Put in proper context, there are many instances where parts of one nation’s military are placed under a joint command with a foreign general in charge.

    This does not equate to the idiotic statement regarding their right to self defence.

    A sovereign state can voluntarily cede or share parts of its own sovereignty to or with others;

    It can “surrender” it’s sovereignty, obviously, as it has done to the EU.

    and I say this to illustrate a sovereign UK parliament signing up to EU Common Market trade rules would be a perfectly legitimate exercise of its sovereignty.

    Signing a trade agreement with a foreign power is an act a sovereign nation can most certainly do.
    Surrendering your governance is an entirely different thing and that’s exactly what has happened here.
    The political elite surrendered the governance of a nation to another government.
    That is called surrendering, and it’s entirely appropriate for a nation to do if the representative government gets the approval of those it represents.
    Without it, it is treason.
    Pure and simple.

  118. 2dogs

    Who is this Spurgeon Monkfish III commenter?

    Is it Numbers trying out a sockpuppet?

  119. stackja

    BBC Politics Retweeted
    BBC Wales Politics
    @WalesPolitics
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    ‘It’s the worst night for the Labour Party since 1935’, says
    @RhonddaBryant

    LIVE: https://bbc.in/2YFIu8g
    #BBCElection #GE2019

  120. Helen

    Who is this Spurgeon Monkfish III commenter?

    Splatacrobat?

  121. Bruce of Newcastle

    That’s how you take over a party!

    Labour reduced the membership fee to £3 and allowed on-line registration.
    Ferals came from every direction!

  122. Roger

    The ABC’s Antony Green has been flown to London – budget cuts…what budget cuts? – to pontificate on the general election.

    He just made the interesting observation that if Johnsons wins the commanding majority the exit polls are predicting he will use his new found power to isolate hard-line Brexiteers, lead from the centre and deliver a modest Brexit a la Theresa May.

    I wouldn’t put it past him.

    But if he goes that way there are going to be a lot of angry voters in the midlands and the north and a great opportunity will be squandered for the sake of a politician’s vanity.

  123. Juan

    He just made the interesting observation that if Johnsons wins the commanding majority the exit polls are predicting he will use his new found power to isolate hard-line Brexiteers, lead from the centre and deliver a modest Brexit a la Theresa May.

    I wouldn’t put it past him.

    Who is the real Boris? We’re about to find out. 😉

  124. Fisky

    A crushing and epic, historic humiliation of Leftism and everything that every Leftist believes in. No lies thank you from the phoney moderates like M0nty please. Corbyn is the embodiment of everything you guys desire in your beating heart, the extremism, the fanaticism, the desire to physically attack your opponents. It as all on the ballot today and it has been given the greatest shellacking in history. Eat shit!

  125. Infidel Tiger

    He just made the interesting observation that if Johnsons wins the commanding majority the exit polls are predicting he will use his new found power to isolate hard-line Brexiteers, lead from the centre and deliver a modest Brexit a la Theresa May.

    The opposite is in fact true.

    Hard Brexit is now a given.

  126. JC

    Yea, eat shit fat boy and leftwing idiots. Fisk is right on.

    Bought sterling a few days ago, now looking to buy the UK indexes. We’re going up baby.

    Seriously, anyone who voted Corbyn should be fucking guillotined.

  127. Second World War: the army and air force of the UK were under the command of the US’s General Eisenhower.

    Very successful.

    It was a good idea as the US was a third party to Eurotrash bickering.

  128. Three cheers for Fisk laying the boot into monty.

    I hope Johnson realises he has a yuuuge majority and five years.

    Can Britain dismantle big government and reassert civil liberties and a prosperous market economy, respecting individual dignity?

    What an exciting time to be a non-leftist!

    (Shame about our Milky Toast fence sitting non-beanie wearing Scotty).

  129. Juan

    Labour retains Hartlepool.

    Cons with 12,000-odd votes, and TBP with 10,000-odd, combined, would ‘of” won it.

  130. Juan

    It’s starting to feel like the Conservative majority might be bigger than the exit poll suggested; unless they lose some seats in London and the South-East.

  131. Infidel Tiger

    London should be bombed.

    It’s about as British as teeth whitening.

  132. Fisky

    He just made the interesting observation that if Johnsons wins the commanding majority the exit polls are predicting he will use his new found power to isolate hard-line Brexiteers, lead from the centre and deliver a modest Brexit a la Theresa May.

    That’s not an interesting observation. It’s just wishful thinking.

  133. Bruce in WA

    Just heard some breathless twat on the Beeb opine that the result means there is now a compelling reason to hold a second referendum on Brexit!

  134. Roger

    Can Britain dismantle big government and reassert civil liberties and a prosperous market economy, respecting individual dignity?

    Only if Rees-Mogg prevails over Johnson’s worst tendencies.

  135. a reader

    With people like Jacob Rees-Mogg in important positions there is no way that BoJo could get away with with the May Brexit. He might win a thumping majority but the Tories are pretty much cleaned out of the remoaners now

  136. Yeah, I love Moggy but I really love Somerset cheeses.

  137. Juan

    And another falls: Bishop Auckland falls to the Conservatives.

    2,000-odd votes for both TBP and the LibDems, cancelling each other out.

  138. Juan

    With people like Jacob Rees-Mogg in important positions there is no way that BoJo could get away with with the May Brexit.

    Have you read the Withdrawal Agreement? 😳

  139. Juan

    Yeah, I love Moggy but I really love Somerset cheeses.

    Are you a regular listener of the Moggcast, perchance?

  140. amortiser

    Sinn Fein wins Belfast North against t DUP leader

  141. Zatara

    Ah yes, like Trump’s corporate tax cuts. 🤣

    ..
    And his trade war.

    It’s not a war, it’s a punitive expedition.

  142. Cassie of Sydney

    “Frank Walker from National Tiles
    #3260540, posted on December 13, 2019 at 1:48 pm
    Yeah, I love Moggy but I really love Somerset cheeses.”

    I love Somerset…..my brother lives there. Tory heartland…apart from parts of Bristol.

  143. Fisky

    Just heard some breathless twat on the Beeb opine that the result means there is now a compelling reason to hold a second referendum on Brexit!

    Having shit judgment should be grounds for immediate dismissal and a life ban from all media.

  144. Who is this Spurgeon Monkfish III commenter?

    At a rough guess: Son of Who is this Spurgeon Monkfish II.

  145. struth

    Congratulations to the British people.

    God bless them and their first past the post, non compulsory voting system.

  146. struth

    It’s a battle won.
    The war is not over.
    It never is.

    Because bloody lefties are insane.

  147. Juan

    It’s a battle won.
    The war is not over.
    It never is.

    Because bloody lefties are insane.

    Well if you were a Brit, and Labour had just won in a landslide on Corbyn’s manifesto, would you be saying ‘Sure, go ahead, nationalise everything! You won, we won’t say anything for the next five years’?

    Didn’t think so. 😉

  148. Juan

    Caroline Flint has also lost Don Valley to the Tories.

  149. Infidel Tiger

    The family, the community and the nation state have triumphed.

    Hyper individualism, Whiggism and liberalism have been vanquished for another 5 years.

    Eternal vigilance. Evil never sleeps.

  150. Juan

    Elmo running against Boris in Uxbridge & Ruislip South!

  151. Infidel Tiger

    Can Britain dismantle big government and reassert civil liberties and a prosperous market economy, respecting individual dignity?

    Individual dignity comes from jobs, family and a sound nation state.

    Not free market madness, open borders and trashing of welfare. Normal people do not want this Whiggish nonsense.

    We have all had our youthful period where we thought the neo-libs were on to something, but now we must all kneel before the Upper Left Quadrant. This is reality

  152. Juan

    In his acceptance speech, Boris refers to his as a ‘one-nation‘ conservative government. Interesting. 🤔

  153. Infidel Tiger

    Let’s hope he means it.

    That is proper Conservatism.

    Promoting virtue, punishing vice.

  154. Tintarella di Luna

    Anyone heard Peter Fitzsimmons on the British election results?

  155. WTF has the EU got to do with so called “hyper-individualism”?

    PS

    Only personal sovereignty is moral.

    All else is some form of a coercive sham.

  156. Tailgunner

    I’m too drink to scroll up.
    Did the deplorables show up??

  157. Tailgunner

    TigerTown is on fire tonight. Already.
    I only got my first schooner at 6, on my way home from work.
    Rollin’my MAGA hat. And the faded orange hi-vix.
    Every pub is rammed on Swan St. And the white walkers can’t make it over the hill,so it’s just fkn button up shirts and perfumed,drunk babes. At 6.30! Lol.
    Merry Christmas

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