Progressives and the meaning of progress

Positively incredible. Only “progressives” could believe in the certainty of progress. And of course, for some what exists in 2020 is an improvement on the past. You never know your own future in how the world is built. There are many worse fates than having Donald Trump as president. Many!

And let me draw your attention to a quite good article in The Oz today: Soleimani: For once the virtuous have not been meek. This is how it ends:

For the long term, the challenge for Western governments is how we defend our foreign and domestic interests from these growing networks of state and non-state terrorists. A silent risk is the growing number of people in the West who admire the likes of Soleimani.

As the British geopolitical theorist Halford Mackinder stated: “Democracy refuses to think strategically unless and until compelled to do so for purposes of defence.”

Today that is too slow. We need to wake up to the game being played against our system.

Not just by Iran but Russia and China.

Not to mention all of the “progressives” in our midst.

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43 Responses to Progressives and the meaning of progress

  1. tbh

    When I was a kid in the 70’s we had a young Iranian woman stay with us as an exchange student. She dressed and acted in pretty much as Western a way as you could imagine and seemed pretty free to do as she wanted. My family has wondered many times what happened to her after that theocracy took over Iran in ’79. I’m guessing she enjoyed nowhere near the freedom she had previously.

  2. When Iranian women dressed like that, Iran wasn’t at war with Israel. Iran didn’t take part in the wars of ’48, ’67 or ’73.

  3. C.L.

    Iranian women are pretty sexy.

  4. Re the Suleimani argument:

    It should not be a matter of whether anyone “admires the likes of Soleimani”. Serious observers of Middle Eastern history have rightly investigated and assessed the place of Suleimani in post-war Iranian history. For those historians who still recognise the importance of significant individuals (rather than JUST the collective social movements of peoples/cultures), Suleimani’s life and role in Iran’s paramilitary is important. Although political commentators emphasise his political influence, Suleimani was above all a soldier’s general and was revered in Iran by the army.

  5. JohnJJJ

    “soldier’s general and was revered in Iran by the army.” Don’t be so sure about that. In Iran, like the old Soviet Union, everyone must look as though they support the hierarchy. Every ‘great leader’ will have a large part of the hierarchy plotting for their demise. His funeral didn’t get that many people, despite the odd camera angles and clipped photos in the press. Eliminating Ya Soleimani, this leader of the new Assassins, also eliminates his extensive private power base.

  6. Chris M

    Iranian women are pretty sexy.

    Yes, many are very hot, probably no tatted whales around. Can be a little fiery meowww, might need strong guidance haha.

    More on topic the Persian people need to decide what sort of government they want and sort it out rather than the young men ticking off to western countries. Have they no pride in their own?

  7. Mother Lode

    I learned long ago that ‘progressive’ meant ‘approaching closer toward the socialist (or marxist) ideal’. This was the distinction between progress and mere change.

    Sadly the socialist and marxist ideals are flawed and impractical. Each step toward them unleashes new problems that had been lurking in plain sight in the theory. Then there is the problem with deciding whether any particular change actually advances to the ideal – each subsequent step is even more theoretical and untested than the the supposed end point..

    All this is glossed over of course, because the desire for this ‘progress’ is mere petulance, and the desire of the revolutionaries to be heroes.

    They may well look at Iran and think that it is progress because it is a step away from capitalism (the which mechanism of voluntary trade has been a constant since prehistory) and had taken on more of the traits they would want to see here. They may believe that this fundamentalism, with its gross simplification of social schemata and more narrowly held centralised power is a mere step toward the socialist ideal.

  8. Iampeter

    Not sure how Iran turning towards religious conservatism is an issue with progressivism. Especially since progressives are just secular collectivists so not really an alternative anyway.
    Progressives support Iran because it is anti-Western.
    Conservatives fail to properly oppose “sponsors of terrorism” because, well, terrorists sponsored by these regimes are religious conservatives.

    Just another example of how both conservatives and progressives are both fundamentally aligned here and both anti-Western.

  9. NuThink

    Iampeter
    Just another example of how both conservatives and progressives are both fundamentally aligned here and
    both anti-Western.

    Is there anyone who is pro Western, and if so, who?

  10. C.L.

    The women look healthy and nicely shaped.
    They don’t look misshapen or bloated like young contemporary Anglophone women.

  11. Iampeter
    #3283733, posted on January 6, 2020 at 4:07 pm

    Not sure how Iran turning towards religious conservatism is an issue with progressivism. Especially since progressives are just secular collectivists so not really an alternative anyway.

    Iran is actually a woke-progressive Shia totalitarian theocracy.

    They’re hell bent on the hidden Imam and gender equality.

  12. Have they no pride in their own?

    Your government doesn’t scare the crap out of you by making fake sex crime show trials* and hanging the victims from construction cranes.

    *[Oh really!?]

  13. Whalehunt Fun

    Saloth Sâr dealt with the progressives. He may have gone too far but you don’t have any woke triggered BS in his country these days. Some pimply girl was whining to her school chums this afternoon that she was triggered by some utter nonevent. Having aTT-33 shoved against the back of your head and the trigger pulled, now that’s triggered. These snivelling snowflakes disgust me. I really want the global warming lie to be true so these worthless bags of smug stupidity end up raddled with disease and starving in constant 50 degree temperatures.

  14. Whalehunt Fun

    Your government doesn’t scare the crap out of you by making fake sex crime show trials* and hanging the victims from construction cranes.

    That’s right. There is a reason I don’t like Morrison. Not one green activist is visible as you drive out of the airport, or across the bridge or go down to the opera house.

  15. Roger

    We need to wake up to the game being played against our system.

    Not just by Iran but Russia and China.

    Didn’t former spy chief Dennis Richardson just opine that we need to ‘rebalance’ our relationship with China?

    I suggest it wasn’t Australia that put it out of balance but China, Mr. Richardson.

  16. Tim Neilson

    Conservatives fail to properly oppose “sponsors of terrorism” because, well, terrorists sponsored by these regimes are religious conservatives.

    This is exactly correct! All “religious conservatives” approve of each other, which is why Evangelical Christians in the USA are so strongly in support of Mvsl!m immigration to the US.
    You KNOW it makes sense!!!

  17. Chris M

    Your government…

    Dot I meant pride in their country, not Iran government which is theocratic Mooslim trash. The young men of Iran should stand together and reform their government, if they can’t stand up for their own country of birth and heritage what would they do for ours?

  18. I won’t condemn anyone for not having the courage to take on a monster.

    The Revolutionary Guard might kill tens of thousands before the regime falling was a sure thing.

    China has over a billion people, but there was only ONE tank man.

  19. tbh

    Iranian women are pretty sexy.

    I can vouch for that. I met plenty of attractive Iranian women in my time in the oil and gas business. They were very pleasant and well educated too.

    My son has a Persian mate at school (they call themselves that, not Iranian interestingly enough) and the lad’s mother is stunning, as well as having a PhD in chemical engineering.

  20. Old Lefty

    Self-styled progressives indeed loathe religious conservatism – witness the corrupt Stalinist political prosecution of Pell and the complicity if the GayBC, the Gayge and the Silly Moaning Homo on it.

    They suck up to the Iranian mullahs and ISIS not because of any real sympathy with their world view, bit because of a shared hatred of classical Western cries. ‘The enemy of my enemy is my friend’.

    Have just been reading a memoir by Milton Osborne of his involvement in Cambodia over six decades. He excoriates Australian academics and pseudo-intellectuals for their fawning apologies for Pol Pot, which were based on the same principle. The title alone makes it worth reading: ‘Pol Pot Solved the Leprosy Problem’.

  21. Old Lefty

    bit because of a shared hatred of classical Western culture’s. Whoever invented autocorrect deserves a special place in hell.

  22. The title alone makes it worth reading: ‘Pol Pot Solved the Leprosy Problem’.

    Good lord.

  23. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    Iranian women are pretty sexy.

    Yep. Brunettes.

  24. Chris M

    Good lord.

    Indeed the Lord is good brother, amen!

    I won’t condemn anyone for not having the courage to take on a monster.

    Yes fair point, as Americans would say they should not have surrendered their right to self defence. Like we never would here (cough, cough). Hard to see the AU army killing their fellow countrymen in a civil unrest situation but they apparently don’t bat an eyelid whilst doing it in these sort of countries.

  25. classical_hero

    tbh, that was what a coworker called himself. He never saw himself as Iranian but Persian.

  26. Nob

    tbh
    #3284000, posted on January 6, 2020 at 7:50 pm
    Iranian women are pretty sexy.

    I can vouch for that. I met plenty of attractive Iranian women in my time in the oil and gas business.

    A few smokin hot ones emigrated to Australia. Had the smug pleasure of seeing one rip a morning drilling meeting in qld to shreds over an operational fuckup a few months ago.

  27. Herodotus

    Apparently the Shah was some sort of monster, while Saddam was really quite ok and the mullahs now in control of Iran are just sort of turbaned bureaucrats intent on developing a peaceful energy system.

  28. Iampeter

    Is there anyone who is pro Western, and if so, who?

    Not in the mainstream. That’s the actual issue that we face today that no one is talking about.

  29. struth

    Conservatives fail to properly oppose “sponsors of terrorism” because, well, terrorists sponsored by these regimes are religious conservatives.

    Iampoultry comes in to let us all know insanity is alive and tapping at keyboards…………………….yawn.

  30. Mark A

    struth
    #3284354, posted on January 7, 2020 at 8:59 am

    The biggest mistake the west made is when Is,,lm was accepted as a genuine religion with the same altruistic goal as all others.

    It is nothing of the sort, it was born in violence, propagated mostly by violence and intimidation.
    After its founder died, a schism occurred (shia, sunni), the first 3 or 4 of its Califs were assassinated.
    It’s a way of life, a regimented one. And the Shia way is the rule of the Ayatollahs.

    There is nothing good to expect I’m afraid.

  31. max

    Ayn Rand objectivism Is religious cult

    Every religious cult has two sets of differing and distinctive creeds: the exoteric and the esoteric. The exoteric creed is the official, public doctrine, the creed which attracts the acolyte in the first place and brings him into the movement as a rank-and-file member. The quite different creed is the unknown, hidden agenda, a creed which is only known to its full extent by the top leadership, the “high priests” of the cult. The latter are the keepers of the Mysteries of the cult.

  32. Iampeter

    The biggest mistake the west made is when Is,,lm was accepted as a genuine religion with the same altruistic goal as all others.

    Altruism is the whole problem with religion, calling for human sacrifice, instead of human life as end in itself.
    But I agree that Islam is nowhere near as altruistic as Christianity. That’s not a compliment to Christianity.

  33. Iampeter

    Ayn Rand objectivism Is religious cult

    If you truly believed that then you would be it’s biggest advocate.

  34. max

    Ayn Rand sees the Dollar as the replacement for the Cross.

    Follower of Mammon

  35. Iampeter

    Ayn Rand sees the Dollar as the replacement for the Cross.

    Follower of Mammon

    Yea, the dollar doesn’t involve the mutilation and murder of human beings. Follower of Bhaal.

  36. Every religious cult has two sets of differing and distinctive creeds: the exoteric and the esoteric. The exoteric creed is the official, public doctrine, the creed which attracts the acolyte in the first place and brings him into the movement as a rank-and-file member. The quite different creed is the unknown, hidden agenda, a creed which is only known to its full extent by the top leadership, the “high priests” of the cult. The latter are the keepers of the Mysteries of the cult.

    Quit it ladies.

    Mainline churches and objectivism are totally open about what they believe. They sell books but no one demands money to give counsel. Neither are cults.

    You have however, accurately described Scientology.

  37. max

    Frank Walker from National Tiles
    #3284862, posted on January 7, 2020 at 4:51 pm

    not my words Frank, I prefer to quote people smarter than me:

    The Sociology of the Ayn Rand Cult by Murray N. Rothbard

    If the glaring inner contradictions of the Leninist cults make them intriguing objects of study, still more so is the Ayn Rand cult, which, while in some sense is still faintly alive, flourished for just ten years in the 1960s; more specifically, from the founding of the Nathaniel Branden lecture series in early 1958 to the Rand-Branden split ten years later. For not only was the Rand cult explicitly atheist, anti-religious, and an extoller of Reason; it also promoted slavish dependence on the guru in the name of independence; adoration and obedience to the leader in the name of every person’s individuality; and blind emotion and faith in the guru in the name of Reason.
    https://www.lewrockwell.com/1970/01/murray-n-rothbard/understanding-ayn-randianism/

  38. Iampeter

    Ah yes, Rothbard. The guy who drank a toast every time he heard an American soldier died in Vietnam. The kook who stole Rand’s ideas without understanding them and embraced anarchy instead.

    Real smart guy.

    And just like you he has no problems in blurting contradictions without realizing they are a show stopping problem for what he’s trying to say. This is the problem of all people who haven’t developed proper thinking skills and habits.

  39. Zatara

    84 years ago today, the women in Iran were emancipated from wearing the compulsory veil.

    A freedom they enjoyed until 1979 when Iran became an Isl*m1c Republic.

  40. max

    Here is another statement by Piekoff which appeared in the May 26, 1986 issue of that publication:

    “The forthcoming biography of Ayn Rand by Barbara Branden was undertaken against Miss Rand’s wishes. Miss Rand severed relationships with Mrs. Branden in 1968 regarding her as immoral and as an enemy of objectivism. Being aware of Mrs. Branden’s long time hostility to Miss Rand, including her public attacks on Miss Rand after her death, attacks interlarded with protestations of adulation, I have refused for years to meet with Mrs. Branden or to cooperate with her on this project. I had no reason to believe that the book would be either a truthful representation of Ayn Rand’s life or an accurate statement of her ideas. Advanced reports from several readers of the book in galley form, have confirmed my expectations. Therefore, I certainly do not recommend this book. As for myself, I have not read it and do not intend to do so.”

    How is that for thinking for yourself?

  41. max

    Walter E. Block:

    Randians don’t disagree on anything. The explanation for this state of affairs is that Objectivism is a cult. Branden (1986) denies this, but she defines cults in religious terms, and obviously objectivism cannot be considered a religious cult. All members are very definitely atheists, and outspoken ones at that. But, apart from that one issue, it cannot be denied that they are cultish. There is the godhead or godheadess who holds forth. Anyone who disagrees with her view is purged.

    There is intellectual bullying, there is irrationality in the name of rationality. When Branden and Rand split, Rand asked all of her followers to take her side without explaining to them so much as what the issues were. She asked them to take her on faith even though she preaches against anyone taking anything on this basis. This is irrationality in the name of rationality.

  42. max

    Walter E. Block:

    This was the Randian cult. On a personal note, when I would ask my Randian acquaintances for their view on an event or issue, they would often not reply. Instead, they would say they had to think about it and would get back to me in a few days. All too often I was told privately, they had to check back with the head office because if they got caught saying something at variance with the cult leader, it was out of the Randian movement for them.

    Has this cultism vanished? Not at all within the Piekoff part of the movement. Consider the June 26, 1986 publication of their cult periodical, the so called Intellectual Activist: “Robert Hessen (until this issue, a leading Randian) is no long associated with the Intellectual Activist in any manner whatsoever.” Period. That was it. No explanation whatsoever. I telephoned him, and asked, “What happened? Did he think that two plus two was five? Perhaps that A doesn’t equal A or something?” No, he told me, he liked Barbara Branden’s (1986) book.

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