A modern religious newspaper

The Guardian claims to be scientifically-based but will always take the side of an extreme climate change policy. It is a work of fiction, as it rejects scepticism and sees the current bushfires through one lens: Australia is burning and we need to do a lot more in Australia to reduce emissions. Anyone who points out that arson is a problem, or that the fuel load is a problem is a ‘denier’ and unfit to be published in the Guardian. CO2 is the problem, end of story.

But what about the three ingredients for a fire: ignition, fuel and oxygen? Would we have bushfires if there wasn’t an ignition source? Would they be so intense without such a fuel load? To raise these points makes one a denier. No, CO2 is the problem.

Well let’s talk about Venus. A planet just over 70% of the average orbital distance from the sun as the Earth. With a mean surface temperature of 464 degrees Celsius. With an atmosphere 91 times more dense than the Earth’s and where CO2 makes up 96.5% of the atmosphere compared to 0.04% on Earth. Are there fires on Venus? Of course not, the oxygen levels are far too low.

We should embrace science, and that means looking at all of the causes of bushfires, not just asserting that it is purely climate change, end of story.

Until the Guardian genuinely embraces the scientific method I will treat it as an extremist rag not worthy of support. So, no, Guardian, you won’t be getting a cent from me until you are more balanced and scientific

But I suppose I have a choice not to support the Guardian. Unfortunately I can’t do the same with the ABC.

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40 Responses to A modern religious newspaper

  1. Bruce of Newcastle

    The Guardian claims to be scientifically-based

    ROFL.

    Well let’s talk about Venus. A planet just over 70% of the average orbital distance from the sun as the Earth. With a mean surface temperature of 464 degrees Celsius. With an atmosphere 91 times more dense than the Earth’s and where CO2 makes up 96.5% of the atmosphere compared to 0.04% on Earth.

    Interestingly the temperature on Venus high in the atmosphere where the pressure is 1 atm – same as Earth – is only about 57 C. Which is what you’d expect that close to the Sun. In other words the 2,415 times relative CO2 concentration (at 1 atm) does nothing much.

    From this data CO2 seems to do squat. The Grauniad is worth squat. So they go well together.

  2. tgs

    How’s their trust going? Last I read it was hemorrhaging cash.

  3. Some History

    The Guardian of Crap.

  4. Nob

    The Guardian gets a lot of its reach by having a free to access website and this gets linked to a lot.

    Even on this site, but incessantly on other sites.

    So they’re pushing their political agenda on loads of ostensibly nonpolitical sites.

  5. Art Vandelay

    Australia is burning and we need to do a lot more in Australia to reduce emissions.

    To counter this argument, one question worth asking the Lefty Hysterics is: “how many tonnes of emissions would Australia have needed to cut in order to have avoided these fires?”

    I bet the answer is crickets.

  6. Astrid van den Akker-Luttmer

    Wet grass or wet wood does not want to burn, however dry grass and dry wood ignites instantly. We do have a climate change and therefore hotter but especially DRYER!! One spark and the whole lot goes up in flames.

  7. John A

    Art Vandelay #3288637, posted on January 10, 2020 at 11:01 pm
    Quoting:

    Australia is burning and we need to do a lot more in Australia to reduce emissions.

    Of course. Those fires have to be extinguished but preferably PREVENTED.

  8. stackja

    Didn’t the old Manchester Guardian support Stalin? I seem to remember the MG wouldn’t accept any negative story about the USSR communist utopia?

  9. mareeS

    Once upon a time in my early reporting life I wrote stuff for the Catholic weekly, while working for Fairfax, and also News, ACP and AbC plus radio operators.

    To this day News is still the most professional place I have worked at since Fairfax went off the rails. CatholicWeekly is long gone in the memory zone.

  10. Nob

    Some History
    #3288599, posted on January 10, 2020 at 10:27 pm
    A Greta™ approved Swedish newspaper a la Guardian.

    https://www.etc.se/ledare/swedish-newspaper-dagens-etc-now-we-will-reject-all-fossil-fuel-ads

    Like when do fossil fuel companies even have to advertise?
    Demand is constant.

  11. jupes

    Australia is burning and we need to do a lot more in Australia to reduce emissions.

    This.

    If only we had a government that was willing to fight the hoax on these grounds. There is precisely NOTHING Australia can do to change the weather.

  12. jupes

    Wet grass or wet wood does not want to burn, however dry grass and dry wood ignites instantly. We do have a climate change and therefore hotter but especially DRYER!! One spark and the whole lot goes up in flames.

    What if every single thing you read about climate change in the msm is a lie?

    CO2 has nothing to do with drought in Australia.

  13. Up The Workers!

    What has CO2 got to do with bushfires?

    CO2, as the main output in most domestic fire extinguishers, puts fires out. It is very effective at putting fires out.

    It does not start fires.

    It doesn’t propagate fires – idiot Greenies and the sort of dull-wattage pea-brains who buy the Guardian, do that.

    Labor/Green councillors and State Pollies who have lethally locked up National Parks; prosecuted property owners for clearing fire-breaks around their houses and properties; allowed fire-loads on forest floors to build up to killer levels and have criminally padlocked essential fire-trails, should all be charged with “Industrial Manslaughter”. They are the ones who have caused these killer fires – not the gas used in fire extinguishers.

  14. Dianeh

    Just how many solar panels does it take to stop bushfires?

    That is the stupidity of the ‘we need to cut emissions to prevent bushfires’ argument.

  15. duncanm

    Astrid van den Akker-Luttmer
    #3288638, posted on January 10, 2020 at 11:03 pm

    Wet grass or wet wood does not want to burn, however dry grass and dry wood ignites instantly. We do have a climate change and therefore hotter but especially DRYER!! One spark and the whole lot goes up in flames.

    So here’s the BOM’s data on annual rainfall in Australia over the last hundred years.

    Explain to me your theory of ‘dryer’

  16. 2dogs

    The Guardian isn’t even in the top ten of newspapers by circulation (#12 in the UK and nowhere in Australia).

    The only reason it has prominence is artificial boosting by Google.

  17. Eyrie

    I see we have our own Greta wannabe troll. Swedish name. I wonder if it is autistic too?

  18. RobK

    ….. in the atmosphere where the pressure is 1 atm…..
    Well said BoN.

  19. Another Ian

    “But what about the three ingredients for a fire: ignition, fuel and oxygen? Would we have bushfires if there wasn’t an ignition source? Would they be so intense without such a fuel load? To raise these points makes one a denier. No, CO2 is the problem.”

    It is much less likely to burn if the fuel is wet.

    Which suggests that the opponents of fuel reduction have rainfall expectations well ahead of the most rainfall-optimistic farmer

  20. Ben

    I’ve often wondered, there are a number of Guardian writers who routinely show up on ABC panel shows. I assume they receive some kind of payment from the ABC for doing so, therefore aren’t we as taxpayers, in part supporting the Lenore Taylors, Katherine Murphy’s and that photographer bloke on Insiders?

  21. yarpos

    So its about the heat, yet the fires are on the coast and the high country , where its not very hot. But there is lots of fuel and lots of people. But its all about the heat/climate of course. Jonovas blog has an intersting piece on this at the moment.

  22. Mark M

    Heretic!

    Kangaroo Island Mayor says Barack Obama ‘wrong’ on climate change bushfire connection

    “He said climate change was “not connected” with the Kangaroo Island fires, since bushfires would have regularly ravaged the island even before European settlement.

    “They would have just burned themselves out until they got rained on,” he said.”

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-01-10/kangaroo-island-mayor-rebukes-barack-obama-bushfire-tweet/11858654?pfmredir=sm

  23. IainC

    I suppose I might consider donating a farthing into the e-collection plate the priest is passing around, to demonstrate my derision for their deplorable anti-scientific agenda, but I can’t figure out what fraction of a Bitcoin that is.

  24. Big toe hurts

    10 centuries ago, the wise King Canute new and proved humankind cannot control nature. A few leaders like the good king would not go astray today.

  25. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    we have made several important changes to our style guide to ensure the language we use accurately reflects the environmental catastrophe

    Lunatics.

  26. I_am_not_a_robot

    Causal reasoning is even found amongst higher animals but apparently not your average CAGW hysteric.
    CO2 will has and will cause faster/stronger plant growth and the prudent approach to forests is to step up management operations.
    This article by a Bundaberg agribusiness lawyer makes excellent points in refreshingly plain language.

  27. Mark M

    If you want to convince a sane person of dangerous global warming, you might want to remove the thick coats, jumpers and scarves before being arrested …

    Joaquin Phoenix arrested during Jane Fonda’s weekly climate change protest

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/joaquin-phoenix-arrested-jane-fonda-fire-drill-fridays-protest-climate-change-today-2020-01-10/

  28. Wet grass or wet wood does not want to burn, however dry grass and dry wood ignites instantly. We do have a climate change and therefore hotter but especially DRYER!! One spark and the whole lot goes up in flames.

    The problem with climate change is that weather and meteorology analysis typically relies on warmer weather being more wet.

    The IPCC relied on such assumptions in their reports, re: the spread of mosquitos and malaria.

  29. Chris M

    What has CO2 got to do with bushfires?

    As it’s a plant fuel the flora is growing more prolifically therefore there is more bush to burn? That’s all I can come up with.

    Now I wonder if the Greens would support a move to genetically engineer the native flora to be less combustible? Science, it scares them!

  30. John snowy bowyer

    I was watching the Melbourne climate change soiree and it was 13 degrees and raining. Luckily I was tucked having a coffee. delightful seeing all the enthused woke folk getting wet and cold!

  31. cuckoo

    I was watching the Melbourne climate change soiree and it was 13 degrees and raining.

    I walked through it on my way home. Crossing Swanston Street into Melbourne Central station, it couldn’t have been clearer that all the normals were going one way (from work into their hometime commute) and everyone coming the other way (into the rally) was some kind of tattooed, pierced cross-dressing freak. At street level, the climate change circus really is just a group-hug carnival for weirdoes who correctly feel there is no place for them in normal life.

  32. ACTOldFart

    The only thing in The Guardian which isn’t dull, predictable dross is their cryptic crossword, and they give that away free on their web site. That gives you a real insight into their business smarts.

  33. Nob

    I subscribe to The Times because of their cryptic.

    Some of the setters also set the Guardian cryptic but it’s generally much less elegant than The Times.

    I do both.

  34. FelixKruell

    The problem is that the Guardian and the ABC (and to a lesser extent Fairfax) provide cover for each other’s biased campaigns. The Guardian has been blaming climate change, and Morrison, for the fires every day for 3 months now. Article after article. It takes up half the website. They even gave Rudd a platform!

    That allows the ABC to report earnestly that ‘Scott Morrison is being blamed’ or ‘Scott Morrison is under fire for…’.

    That then gets picked up by foreign papers, thinking that’s what’s actually happening on the ground. Australia people blame fires on climate change and government! That foreign coverage then gets reported by the Guardian again, in a lovely ‘virtuous’ circle.

    Meanwhile no one actually asked what the Australian people think.

  35. Bruce

    Felix:

    “That allows the ABC to report earnestly that ‘Scott Morrison is being blamed’ or ‘Scott Morrison is under fire for…’. ”

    Straight out of the Goebbels playbook. See also the Soviet Minsters for “Culture”.

  36. Bosnich

    Have just read that there was to be a protest,organised by extinction rebellion etc, about the “Climate Emergency” caused by ” mismanagement of the bush since the “Invasion”.
    Starting time was 6 pm Friday evening in Melbourne,yesterday. The news item on MSN news breathlessly informed readers that Friday was to be a day of severe fire danger. Unfortunately about 2pm it absolutely pissed down and the temperature dropped from 33 to 14 in a matter of minutes ….. a typical Melbourne day in fact.

  37. Howard Hill

    These people make me sick. How many people, houses, animals have to be destroyed before these misanthropes are made to feel the heat. Diverting attention away from the real problems makes them complicit in crimes against humanity. They are a disgrace to the human race like every other genocidal freak there’s been. Next time we have a disaster like this one, they should be strapped to a large tree at the fire front.

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