Not “killer trees” but killer governments in thrall to greens

Just look at this disgraceful jungle road in Gippsland. There should be 25 metre breaks on either side.

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27 Responses to Not “killer trees” but killer governments in thrall to greens

  1. struth

    Please explain exactly what you mean by “in thrall to the greens”.

    Me being a conspiracy theorist by reading the slavishly followed agenda 21 and agenda 203o by Australian governments and councils [as decreed they all must do by same agendas] I tend to think it’s a lot bigger than activism by a very small portion of Australians and a weird little political party of inconsequence.

    Much of this bullshit is implemented by councillors and politicians who may not be green, but little authoritarians using UN agenda to implement their authority…………………basically something to do, something to line up with when politicly you stand for nothing, except your own career.
    And a career needs a reason to exist.

    But…………..alas……. it seems Australians won’t hear of it.

  2. Add an extra lane and that could be the Strzelecki Hwy in South Gippsland (not yet burnt), or pretty much any road in Gippsland.

  3. mem

    The left, greenies, UN and renewable energy scabs are running a scurrilous campaign blaming Australia’s current bushfires into a reason to up the anti on climate change and renewables. It is simply not valid as weather in the affected areas has been far hotter in the past. The reasons for the fires involve heavy growth, lack of clearing, several days of warm dry weather, wind and ignition (man made or natural). No matter how much we reduce emissions this will not prevent bush fires. Only naive idiots could believe this. Having been centrally involved in the Ash Wednesday fires and Black Saturday fires I would also caution people to believe this season is over. It is not. There is a fire ball waiting to happen in many parts of Victoria and we still need to get through another three months. If Andrews was up to the task he would be approving clearing now so at least crews can get access if the worst happens.

  4. Mark M

    In NSW, when Bob Carr was the minister, and later premier, he ratified moves to have fire trails abandoned.

    Carr’s moves prevented access to those fire trails by the Rural Fire Service, under the pretext he was keeping four 4WDs and campers out.

    The government (and how many problems that we face today are created by government?) put locked gates on these national parks and planted big rocks at the entry to the fire trails.

    https://volunteerfirefighters.org.au/it-is-high-time-bureaucrats-and-politicians-stopped-blaming-climate-change-for-a-bushfire-crisis-that-is-very-much-of-their-own-making-and-is-putting-lives-at-risk

    >> Also, under Kyoto, it is of utmost importance to maintain the vegetation.
    It is the priority. The more vegetation, the more valuable the carbon sink.

  5. duncanm

    For 30 years, the residents of Mt Wilson and Mt Irvine in the Blue Mountains have been lobbying to get the Bowen’s creek road reopened. Originally built in 1935 as an alternative emergency access road.

    The bridge fell into disrepair and the route was closed in 1990.

    This is the only alternative route in and out for those communities.

    The main route (Mt Wilson Rd) looks exactly like that picture linked. Its almost as if they want a repeat of the Black Saturday Kinglake tragedy in Victoria.

    The criminality of local government is astounding.

  6. stackja

    Mark M
    #3290883, posted on January 13, 2020 at 10:44 am
    In NSW, when Bob Carr was the minister, and later premier, he ratified moves to have fire trails abandoned.

    Bob went walkabout.

  7. Leo G

    Sometimes, the only way to bring them down safely is to throw a rope around them, hook them up to the Army’s massive armoured Bushmaster vehicles and pull them away from houses or power lines as they fall.

    An army without explosive experts? Hazard trees can be downed safely, even when adjacent to structures sensitive to shock waves, by drilling and internally loading explosive charges.

  8. An army without explosive experts? Hazard trees can be downed safely, even when adjacent to structures sensitive to shock waves, by drilling and internally loading explosive charges.

    Clearly you have no idea of the logistics and safety requirements for something like that.

  9. Louis Hissink

    As an example of how stupid the Greens and their followers are, during the latest fires around Bega I evacuated from the farm to Bega, staying with friends et al. I mentioned that the enormous fuel load in the various state forests around Bega were the result of insufficient controlled winter burns as a consequence of Green policies.

    One interlocutor denied this asserting that the Greens have never been in power so that explanation was false.

    Stupid is as stupid does.

  10. Roger

    Hazard trees can be downed safely, even when adjacent to structures sensitive to shock waves, by drilling and internally loading explosive charges.

    Much simpler to do it the way they are.

    The government (and how many problems that we face today are created by government?) put locked gates on these national parks and planted big rocks at the entry to the fire trails.

    Say, where is Bob in the midst of all of this? Safely ensconced in his NZ getaway and not answering the phone?

  11. Mother Lode

    They might want to consider that the bush works on real temperature – not adjusted temperature sets.

    They might even discover that, since the temperatures are not record breaking, record breaking bushfires cannot have been caused by the temperatures.

    If they insist on ‘global warming’ as a cause of the fires they should be required to show it – not just say ‘AGW predicts this (as well as the opposite) therefore the only possible cause is AGW’.

  12. struth

    One interlocutor denied this asserting that the Greens have never been in power so that explanation was false.

    Stupid is as stupid does.

    They can rightfully claim that.
    It isn’t the Australian Greens that is the problem.
    They have never had enough power to inflict this national policy disaster.
    True……………………………….

    If Liberal Governments are doing this against the wishes of their base, their Nationals coalition base, indeed most of the Australian electorate, the idiot is the one claiming the Australian Greens are the problem.
    They of course would be if the could be.

    Again, nothing as slow as an Australian being told the UN is the problem , and it’s slavish adherence by all parties.

  13. Professor Fred Lenin

    Green preferences are very impostant to the alp ,many of their mps are only there because of them . It is complete stupidity on the alps part ,there is no way the gangrenes would vote for the \libs .
    Unlaess its a feel good thingy ,you know ,words speak louder than actions .

  14. struth

    Liberal government in SA, Federal government Liberal.
    UN agenda still being followed 100%

  15. Professor Fred Lenin

    All this talk about bushfires ,the solutiom is simple ,close all coal fired power stations tomorrow the fires will stop and we will bever have them again . There may be a few minor discomforts ,no electricity, no transport no industry ,, no tax revenuev , but all worth it for cleaner cooler air and lower seas ,ask brown flannery and garnaut limited klimate konsultants .

  16. John A

    struth #3290869, posted on January 13, 2020, at 10:31 am

    Please explain exactly what you mean by “in thrall to the greens”.

    It’s lower case “greens” so I read that as referring to the general “green environmental philosophy” aka the religion of Gaia.

    It currently holds sway over most of the wealthy nations on this planet, particularly in Europe, North America, the New World nations – probably what we would call the First World which has enough income to think we can afford to indulge such dangerous (because false) ideas.

    The planet can do reasonably well without that kind of interference, and probably doesn’t care much about our puny efforts at hubris.

  17. stackja

    Mount Agony Rd map

    Photographer shows photos before and after south coast bushfires
    Photographer Josh Burkinshaw has been taking pictures of stunning landscapes in Batemans Bay, on the state’s south coast, for years. He has created some of his shots to show the true bushfire devastation with before and after pictures.
    The Sunday Telegraph
    Subscriber only
    January 12, 2020 12:00am

    Mount Agony Rd before the bushfires. Picture: Josh Burkinshaw

    Mount Agony Rd after the bushfires. Picture: Josh Burkinshaw

  18. OldOzzie

    stackja
    #3290913, posted on January 13, 2020 at 11:03 am
    Mark M
    #3290883, posted on January 13, 2020 at 10:44 am
    In NSW, when Bob Carr was the minister, and later premier, he ratified moves to have fire trails abandoned.

    Bob went walkabout.

    Having Banned 4WD around Warragamba Dam, Bob Carr flew in by Helicopter to Warragamba Dam so he could go Bushwalking

  19. stackja

    OldOzzie
    #3291179, posted on January 13, 2020 at 3:28 pm

    And Bob stopped dams.

  20. Chris M

    Leo is quite correct, works great. But in reality a skillfully handled chainsaw is very precise and almost always going to be faster.

  21. Squirrel

    Had action been taken – or attempted to be taken – to remove even a handful of potentially hazardous trees prior to the fires, there would have been screams, which the ABC would have reported very sympathetically, but now, of course, it must be ScoMo’s fault that the trees were not dealt with sooner.

    The same could be said about other infrastructure, with the ABC now complaining about the copper telephone network being switch off (because they think it might better cope with fires) – after years of slagging off about the failure to have fibre to the home across the length and breadth of the continent.

  22. classical_hero

    The fact that it’s illegal to create fire breaks is insanity.

  23. Elderly White Man From Skipton

    You can find this all over NSW and Victoria. It’s a question of money. No one wants to pay.

  24. Crossie

    You can find this all over NSW and Victoria. It’s a question of money. No one wants to pay.

    So now we will all pay as ScoMo throws money at any outstretched hands just to mute the critics for a few minutes. He may be endlessly loyal to his wife but treats his voters like dirt. He is a poor and feckless leader.

  25. Elderly White Man From Skipton

    Crossie: this very item is just such a criticism. What is he supposed to do?
    You can be sure that buckets of money will now be spent on load reduction and clearing and so on. I have no idea how he can pay to end the drought or reduce temps.

  26. struth

    Temp and drought not a problem.
    Summers are hot and dry anyway.
    Fuel load and Arson are responsible.
    All UN created if Arsonist brainwashed teen especially.
    UN education agenda.

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