Wollemi ace now wants an end to coal exports … and debate

DOUBTLESS enlivened by the success of a multi-million dollar, emission-spewing mission to save some non-rare trees in a national park somewhere – which may or may not have been endangered by fire anyway – NSW environment minister Matt Kean has now hit out at “climate change sceptics” in his own Liberal Party. The new “Biggles” of Australian politics, Kean boasted to Fairfax journalist Peter Hannam this week that he ordered a fleet of air-tankers, fixed-wing aircraft and a helicopter (from which a crack team of firemen were offloaded) to protect a stand of mystical Wollemi trees at an unspecified date during the current bushfires. While seventeen people have died in NSW during the crisis, not a single Wollemi has been lost on Kean’s watch. A “military-style operation,” he called it. Gareth Evans’ infamous RAAF surveillance flights over Tasmania’s proposed Franklin Dam site in the early days of the Hawke government look modest in comparison.

Newly endorsed by Richard Di Natale, Kean is angry with his Canberra colleagues. “We shouldn’t need a royal commission to convince Craig Kelly and the likes of him in the federal coalition partyroom to believe climate change is real,” he told ABC radio yesterday. He also wants all debate about ‘climate change’ stopped so that Australia can begin selling clean, non-existent energy sources overseas. “The reality is that the majority of the world market we currently ship our coal to are starting to decarbonise and they’re looking for newer, cheaper products to power their economies.” (Is there any oil in those Wollemis?). Maybe Kean has been speaking to Lenore Taylor. She argues today the states should consider circumventing the Morrison government to reduce the country’s carbon dioxide output by themselves. This, she implies, will end bushfires. All the states have to do is shut down their mines and power stations. All of them. Good luck with that.

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57 Responses to Wollemi ace now wants an end to coal exports … and debate

  1. Karabar

    Who breeds and raises these ignoramuses?

  2. Roger

    Kean boasted to Fairfax journalist Peter Hannam this week that he ordered a fleet of air-tankers, fixed-wing aircraft and a helicopter (from which a crack team of firemen were offloaded) to protect a stand of mystical Wollemi trees at an unspecified date during the current bushfires.

    While houses and properties burned elsewhere.

    The cost and benefits of this little adventure need to be included in the tor of the RC.

  3. Roger

    He also wants all debate about ‘climate change’ stopped so that Australia can begin selling clean, non-existent energy sources overseas.

    The Libeeal rarty….six mothns ago it claimed to be the party “for the quiet Australians.”

    Today – at both state & federal levels – it’s telling even the quiet Australians to “shut up.”

    If the PM has any power and authority in the party today such as previous Liberal PMs wielded he’ll use it to pull these cloth eared idiots into line.

    Otherwise at the next election it will be the Liberals and not Labor feeling the thwack of the protesting baseball bats.

  4. stackja

    NSW Premier GB has let Matt Kean get away with all this.

  5. Talleyrand

    Llarge numbers of other endangered species were wiped out and likely made extinct; directly due to your departmental incompetence, willful blocking of fuel reduction and cool burning initiatives. The department whose ministry you run.

    Blood on you hands Minister Kean, cannot be wiped away by Wollemi pine scented soap, no matter how many times you water bomb them

  6. The BigBlueCat

    If Matt Kean wants to end all debate on climate change, he wants us all the just shut up. Even more reason not to. These neo-Marxists need to be told some home truths about their ideology and what free speech actually means.

    The lesson from Andrew Klavan (in case you missed it yesterday).

  7. Boambee John

    Matt Kean says:

    “We shouldn’t need a royal commission to convince Craig Kelly and the likes of him in the federal coalition partyroom to believe climate change is real,”

    The climate alarmists routinely use two straw men, “climate deniers” and “climate change deniers”.

    I am not aware of any sentient being (which excludes all alarmists) who “denies” that there is a climate. I doubt that any significant number “denies” that climate has been changing for millenia, and will continue to change, refardless of the puny efforts of a small number of humans suffering from excessive hubris.

    The key issues are the level of human (anthropogenic) influence, and the extent to which the minor changes allegedly detected so far might be harmful (catastrophic). No convincing evidence has so far been offered by the alarmists.

    Kean is a fool, and that is flattering him!

  8. duncanm

    Why didn’t they muster these resources when the Gosper’s mountain fire first kicked off ?

    The RC needs to dig.

  9. Michael Lewis

    Comment about the real NSW Liberal Party power structure by Andrew Bolt in 2018. Who chooses and who rules the roost.

    Andrew Bolt Comment 2018

  10. Minderbinder of Qld

    So, no debate about the absence of facts in support of human created “climate change”, just ruin the economy of the Australian society by pretending that there is an alternative energy source that works 24/7/365, and we will make our fortune exporting these pipe dreams to the world.
    How do bozos like Krackers Kean get a job in charge of anything? Why he would even stuff up picking up papers in the school yard, a task that I am sure he had plenty of practice performing. Why has GB not sacked this Know nothing incompetent? Could it have anything to do with factional support in the faction less party?

  11. Ellen of Tasmania

    [No society can survive the socialist] fallacy that there is an absolutely unlimited number of inspired officials and an absolutely unlimited amount of money to pay them.

    (G K Chesterton)

  12. areff

    Just published at Quadrant: Roger Underwood on the “climate change excuse”.

    Story includes link to ABC report that DC-10 fire bombers are on the way from North America, counterpointed by Black Saturday Royal Commish finding that they’re next to bloody useless.

    As to the Libs, stick a fork in ’em.

    If we’re to save this country, ecologically and environmentally, we’ll need to do it ourselves. Any party that can throw up the likes of Keen, Littleproud, Photios, and the hopeless Vic branch is an impediment, not a solution.

  13. Tom Appleton

    How are you going to fly those aircraft when we go “fossil fuel free”?

  14. Leo G

    Why didn’t they muster these resources when the Gosper’s mountain fire first kicked off ?

    What? No rescue operation for the Gospers Mountain giant wombats? Even though there’s an airstrip in the middle of their territory.
    But then, like Matt Kean, they know how to dig a hole for themselves.

  15. herodotus

    The BBC is off to a running start in 2020, with their new push for COP26 in Glasgow next November.
    Not discouraged by the abject failure of previous COPs, they have assembled a new show to publicise COP26 all this year. Groan!
    It comes hosted by a youthful, punk-like persona, backing music that’s full of grunts, and features the latest advice from “scientists” that we are at “a tipping point” and that this year we “really have to do something”.
    Never mind the bollocks, just get on the train and help save Earth, because “the planet matters”.

  16. Not Uh oh

    duncanm
    #3295060, posted on January 17, 2020 at 12:17 pm
    Why didn’t they muster these resources when the Gosper’s mountain fire first kicked off ?

    The RC needs to dig.

    I doubt very much that there’ll be a royal commission into these fires. It would make it too hard to avoid looking at how resources (all over the place) may have been mismanaged. Some cans of worms just don’t need to be opened.

  17. Bruce

    The Wollemi ( Wollemia nobilis ) is technically of the family, Araucariaceae.

    Closely related to the Norfolk Island Pine, Bunya Pine, Hoop Pine, Monkey Puzzle Pine and Kauri Pine, none of which are even vaguely related to “modern “pine trees (conifers). Early attempts to use Norfolk “pines” to make masts for sailing ships met with disappointment. Despite being tall and straight in general stature, Norfolks are far inferior to Oregon or Carolina pines in structural strength and “working life”. Totally different internal structure, probably related to their being of a MUCH more ancient and primitive development; all of the Araucariaceae. appear to have developed on ancient Gondwanaland and then, as that continent broke up, sailed off on various plates to distant places. See also Nothofagus, the Antarctic Beech, with LIVING examples in south-east Queensland AND parts of South America.

    Bunyas seem to be pretty tough cookies and were, and still are, a reliable source of the excellent Bunya nut.

    Bunya nuts cooked on a hot-plate and served with similarly-cooked King Prawns makes for an interesting and tasty barbecue meal.

  18. areff

    Wish I’d known you could eat bunya nuts, Bruce. Neighbouring property had a beauty in the front yard until a couple of months ago, when developers chopped it down to make way for units. Would have grabbed and tried some if I’d known. My locality, by the way, is Hobsons Bay and the mayor, as I discovered yesterday, is a Greens man. Apparently he thinks it’s wacko-the-diddlo beaut to pave the area with units, because no development application every seems to get rejected.

    The Greens riddle: We love nature but we want you to live as far removed from it as it is possible to be.

  19. Trax

    There should be a fair exchange:
    end coal exports if we only use coal ourselves
    end debating when we end government (since that is the place debates are supposed to happen)

  20. Roger Underwood is a sane voice in all of this and has been for some years, and I’ve used his knowledge in many of the stories that I’ve written over the years on these bushfire disasters and my forays into the bush. Peter O’Brien’s comment also reflects exactly what I’ve said for years in rebuttal to many of the ludicrous statements by ‘experts’.

    These are the things that should be discussed widely, not one incident about Wollemi Pines where the effort involved has most likely been wildly exaggerated (fleets of aircraft?) and what was used in that effort wouldn’t likely have made much difference to the wider scene.

  21. Ivan Denisovich

    Any party that can throw up the likes of Keen, Littleproud, Photios, and the hopeless Vic branch is an impediment, not a solution.

    Family Photios:

    https://www.cleanenergystrategies.com.au/team

    Services offered:

    https://www.cleanenergystrategies.com.au/advisory

  22. 59096

    Another liberal government my family won’t vote for again! From now on as far right as we can go!

  23. Craig Mc

    Remember when Lenore told the world on Insiders near the beginning of the previous decade that any party that didn’t have a carbon tax was unelectable?

    She’s still as dumb as a bag of hammers.

  24. She’s still as dumb as a bag of hammers.

    Please don’t insult hammers. Hammers are actually quite useful.

  25. Mother Lode

    Skeptics are abused, derided, marginalised, and denied platforms to make their opinions heard – and yet the soft whisper that does manage to get through is enough to make warmies uncomfortable.

    I have a feeling that they know there is a lot more scepticism out there than is apparent from twitter, the MSM, and the insights of the inexperienced juveniles they fill their offices with because they are supposedly IT savvy – and they want it all to just go away.

  26. NuThink

    This morning on French or German TV News in English they talked about Climate Breakdown. Maybe the climate needs to consult Julia at Beyond Blue about its little problem.

    all debate about ‘climate change’ stopped

    Science – or what formerly used to be known as science – NEVER stops debating.
    If science is settled then no further funding is needed.

  27. Mother Lode

    Matt Kean says:

    “We shouldn’t need a royal commission to convince Craig Kelly and the likes of him in the federal coalition partyroom to believe climate change is real,”

    I love how forest management is ceasing to be a state responsibility – they are all putting their hands out for the feds to buy them things.

    Now this new twist – discharging state responsibilities is being made more expensive due to some Federal government policy, so the Federal government has to pay for it.

    But if they do, they should expect the Federal government to assert more control over state issues.

    Cheap people in cheap suits (which may nevertheless have cost a lot of money) voicing their worthless opinions over tacky media to an impoverished electorate.

    If I was a politicians kid I would tell the other kids at school my Dad (or Mum) was p3d0 ice addict – less embarrassing.

  28. Whalehunt Fun

    The Kean and LeSnore cretins better never end up in front of a jury because to my mind they are not human and whatever they may ever be accused of, they will never get 12 out of 12 to side with them.

  29. Whalehunt Fun

    If I was a politicians kid I would tell the other kids at school my Dad (or Mum) was p3d0 ice addict – less embarrassing.

    Which politicians are not? Are there any outside the far right who are not? Even one?

  30. Bazinga

    Another idiot who conflates natural climate change with human induced climate change.

  31. areff

    Bemused: re the aircraft of the Inferno Air Force, see the latest Essential Reading.

    It’s a given that young reporters are stupid (I certainly was), but where is the worldly wise back bench of older, wiser heads who might once have curtailed the young uns’ eager willingness to gobble hook, line and sinker?

  32. re the aircraft of the Inferno Air Force

    I wrote in one of my stories some years ago about a Californian perspective, which applies equally well to Australia. The purchase of water bombing aircraft is nothing more than an attempt by what I call ‘gun runners’ to make more money. This is the video (the narrator talks about the very things happening here and the pointlessness of aircraft):

    https://youtu.be/ajPpP3vbD5c

  33. Gowest

    It would be interesting for someone to plot the Ha of land converted per annum by our wonderful climate action to “forest” vs the Ha of bushfires over the last 20 odd years since Howard began selling the country land to satisfy Kyoto.

    This should provide an accurate depiction of what “climate action” has done to our country.

    Maybe another graph showing the shutdown of coal power stations vs the same data would make another “talking point excuse” for environmental ministers failing in their jobs disappear – an inconvenient truth – “Shut down Hazelwood and Melbourne gets Smoked!” should be a great title for a best seller movie title.

  34. Amadeus

    As usual, when real long-term decisions are needed in the interests of all those people still of sane mind left in Australia, we learn just how inept, vacuous, and dumb the political elite and their “intellectual” cohort really are.
    How in heavens name did an ignorant arsehole like Kean, a stupid dipstick like Payne and a virtue signalling ignoramus like Karen Andrews ever get elected into office.

    My Doberman shits more sense than that lot combined.

  35. calli

    I have a feeling that they know there is a lot more scepticism out there

    My word, there is. And when I summon enough courage to simply say, “I don’t believe it”, many…many other voices pipe up in agreement. The King definitely has no clothes.

    On Kean, he’s Member for Hornsby (Legislative Assembly NSW). Perhaps he saw Abbott’s fate in Davidson (Federal) and is pre-empting the doctor’s wives who infest the place.

  36. The Sheriff

    Has Kean always been an idiotic leftist, or is this just part of his infamous campaign to hike the skirt of the MLA for Miranda?

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5422091/What-Liberal-MP-Matt-Kean-sexted-fellow-MP-Eleni-Petinos.html

  37. Eyrie

    Aircraft aren’t completely useless for fire fighting. Aerial recon is important and also can be used for communications relay when other methods fail. However you don’t need many aircraft nor especially large ones.

  38. jupes

    Excellent article by Roger Underwood, thanks areff.

    Meanwhile the Oz today has given space to some climate change loon to tell the PM that – even though he acknowledges that the PM can’t change the weather – more must be done on climate change.

    The lack of coherent thought on these cretins is staggering.

  39. areff

    The lack of coherent thought on these cretins is staggering.

    What’s really staggering is The Australian publishing this poop. One guesses James and Lachlan are exerting their influence while Dad gobbles Geritol and nestles oblivious in the ample bosom of Ms Hall. It’s seconnd piece along these lines they’ve published in the past three days.

    Wouldn’t have happened when Rebecca W was running the oped page, Rupert hadn’t slid fully into his dotage and James was writing cheques to phone-tappers without, or so he claimed, knowing what the sums were for.

  40. Bronson

    Keane is a complete moron and ignores the 40 plus years of failed policy by his state that lead to this. If parks had über taken regular fuel reductions around the pine they wouldn’t have had to waste thousands of public dollars to protect a few trees that been able to persist in this for hundreds of years with out any help!

  41. Youngster

    There is no power at our house this afternoon (not Matt Kean’s fault – I suspect a boofhead crashed into a power pole somewhere nearby while drifting on the wet roads), and it’s not good. We can’t finish cooking dinner, which was going to be a tasty slow-cooked beef roast.

    If it were due to Matt Kean closing our lovely coal fired power plants, I would point out to him that it is raining (so little to no solar power available) and still (no wind power available either). The end result would be no carbon emissions, and no dinner either. I doubt Matt is willing to give up his dinner for the sake of the climate. I certainly am not.

  42. I doubt Matt is willing to give up his dinner for the sake of the climate. I certainly am not.

    We have regular blackouts even without ruinables; however, we’re also lucky in that we’ve been bush campers for over 40 years and have a full complement of cooking gear, lighting etc, which we bring out during blackouts (we also have a couple of outdoor BBQs). It’s saved dinner many a time.

  43. Professor Fred Lenin

    What would you expect from the centre left of the Uniparty,they are in step with the alpleft leftwing and the gangrene communist wing of the Uniparty ,its all about money ,theres a big quid in climating why do you think these lawtrade shysters get involved in it ? Much more money than they could get from their legal practice above the fish n chip shop in High street .

  44. candy

    Shutting mines to reduce emissions would have to be like Brexit and go to a national vote.
    It would settle the climate change issue once and for all though.
    No government should make decisions like that without consulting the very people it affects.

  45. stackja

    Assisted dying: MPs consider reintroducing legislation to NSW parliament
    A Coalition MP is working to bring assisted dying legislation back to NSW parliament just months after the messy decriminalisation of abortion while the state reels from deadly blazes.

    Danielle Le Messurier, The Daily Telegraph
    Subscriber only

    January 17, 2020 6:41pm

    A Coalition MP is working to bring assisted dying legislation back to NSW parliament just months after the messy decriminalisation of abortion while the state reels from deadly blazes.

    Upper house Nationals MP Trevor Khan is leading a working group who are “again looking at the issue” after a bill he introduced in 2017 failed to pass through the Legislative Council by just one vote.

    Western Australia and Victoria have passed assisted dying legislation, while Queensland and South Australia have initiated parliamentary inquiries into the issue.

    But some furious MPs say it is the “last thing the government needs” given the state is still on fire and have criticised Mr Khan for not prioritising the needs of country people.

  46. Eyrie

    What would happen if some miscreant figured out where the Wollemi pines were and flew over them dropping a few Dragon’s Eggs?

  47. H B Bear

    The fixed wing aircraft should provide a wider choice of footage for the 6 o’clock news for people in the fire shelters while their houses burn.

  48. Squirrel

    “The reality is that the majority of the world market we currently ship our coal to are starting to decarbonise and they’re looking for newer, cheaper products to power their economies.”

    There’s some truth in that, but the more pressing truth is that we owe megatons of money to the rest of the world (with quite a chunk of it propping up the prices of Sydney real estate, and through that a State budget which can afford to deploy a Marvel Superheroes operation to save special trees) so we might be wise to keep flogging the dirty black stuff as long as we can while we wait for the rolling-in-money mirage of Straya as a “renewables superpower” to come true.

    This fascinating article, published 10 days ago in the home of “Energiewende”, suggests that the real technological solutions will most likely come from elsewhere than Straya, and that our next racket for keeping ourselves in the manner to which we’ve become accustomed will be flogging off lots more uranium –

    https://www.spiegel.de/international/world/can-nuclear-power-offer-a-way-out-of-the-climate-crisis-a-06a8a27f-d492-45d3-8134-30187eefbdf3

    A very relevant excerpt from the above –

    “So far, the wind and the sun have provided less than 2 percent of total global energy supplies.

    Given such realities, is it wise to eschew the possibilities of nuclear power altogether? It’s a question that is particularly urgent for Germany, where the country’s last remaining nuclear power plants are slated to go offline in 2022. Yet Germany is already failing to meet its climate targets.

    A comparison with France and Sweden, shows the burden Germany is incurring with its decision on the phaseout. The two countries continue to use nuclear energy, and as a result, the CO2 footprint of people living there is only half as large as that of the Germans.”

  49. Boambee John

    Eyrie
    #3295394, posted on January 17, 2020 at 6:56 pm
    What would happen if some miscreant figured out where the Wollemi pines were and flew over them dropping a few Dragon’s Eggs?

    Check Google Earth. Look for the green strip surrounded by black, burnt out, bush.

  50. jupes

    “The reality is that the majority of the world market we currently ship our coal to are starting to decarbonise and they’re looking for newer, cheaper products to power their economies.”

    There’s some truth in that …

    Not really. Our biggest market, Japan, plans to implement carbon capture and storage some time in the future but not right now. They are keeping their coal fired power stations. Our second biggest market, China, will increase its use of coal and keep building hundreds of coal fired power stations for at least another decade, as will India. South Korea has some Paris targets but won’t meet them.

    No. Australia is quite likely the stupidest country in the world. We take our Paris commitments seriously. How embarrassing.

  51. Bunya nuts cooked on a hot-plate and served with similarly-cooked King Prawns makes for an interesting and tasty barbecue meal.

    Interesting.

    The fires would be no risk to communities if they were simply allowed to clear fell tom a clear distance, regardless of fuel loads or whatever the temperature is.

    I suggest 800 m/half a mile from dwellings.

  52. Leo G

    Check Google Earth. Look for the green strip surrounded by black, burnt out, bush.

    Google has a monthly image update schedule. Processing the images takes another two months.

  53. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    Matt Kean? Never heard of him.

    Oh that Matt Kean!

    In February 2018, Fairfax Media detailed publication by his then girlfriend of sexually explicit messages between Matt Kean and fellow Liberal MP Eleni Petinos while she (Turnbull staffer Caitlin Keage) was away with family. Lord Stumbull, who doesn’t know anything about sex, sacked her for outing the prick.

    The Premier girlses (no point knowing her name) did nothing about it. Each time I see her she is just standing around, looking puzzled.

    In Mick’s world he deserved a kick in the cods, and one in the guts when he dropped to the ground, for offending the people who elected him to a handsomely paid job with servants and slaves, which he was not doing while he and the tart were giving his ferret a run.

    The dumb sheila earned much the same for not understanding the (paper thin) difference between acting as a paid politician and being the local bike for any bloke to slobber and dribble over.

    They are both slimy grubs, young and “progressive”, the very best the Liberal Party has to offer in its premium State.

  54. duncanm

    Boambee John
    #3295492, posted on January 17, 2020 at 9:10 pm

    Eyrie
    #3295394, posted on January 17, 2020 at 6:56 pm
    What would happen if some miscreant figured out where the Wollemi pines were and flew over them dropping a few Dragon’s Eggs?

    Check Google Earth. Look for the green strip surrounded by black, burnt out, bush.

    no need to.

    All of the gorges in the wollemi survived just fine without any help from anyone. The wollemi pines survived MILLIONS of years without our help until 1994, when they suddenly needed protection.

  55. old bloke

    Mother Lode
    #3295196, posted on January 17, 2020 at 2:22 pm

    I love how forest management is ceasing to be a state responsibility – they are all putting their hands out for the feds to buy them things.

    Now this new twist – discharging state responsibilities is being made more expensive due to some Federal government policy, so the Federal government has to pay for it.

    But if they do, they should expect the Federal government to assert more control over state issues.

    The Federal government is culpable, most of the rot started with Howard signing the Kyoto Protocol.

  56. Leo G

    What would happen if some miscreant figured out where the Wollemi pines were and flew over them dropping a few Dragon’s Eggs?

    Nullo pines?

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