Open Forum: January 18, 2020

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  1. Knuckle Dragger

    Humans racing with little proboscis monkey jockeys, Dillo.

    That would be sporty, yet not a sport.

  2. MatrixTransform

    fucking chemtrails … even got my own idiot family lecturing me about chemtrails.

    flat-earthers

    ffs

  3. Old School Conservative

    Slow to the party for sure, but I just found that The Pickering Post has been renamed The Richardson Post (for obvious reasons!)

  4. Armadillo

    So many questions.

    Exactly. Why the hell are you coming to the Cat with your sob stories. It’s not the place normal people come to “mourn” whilst going on with a load of bullshit trying to “woo” your sock puppet.

    That’s just fucking deranged.

    Almost as deranged as nUmbers.

  5. Knuckle Dragger

    Be quiet, Arky.

    I’m trying to work out how to donate to Yellow Vests Australia.

  6. Peter the old fossil

    Struth,

    You’re not very good at this. Probably better to stick with sick jokes about me having oral sex with my allegedly dead wife’s corpse, six months after she died. At least you probably got a laugh out of the other sickos here.

    Matrix and Dillo are here, and IT, Cassie and Lizzie are bound to be somewhere close at hand.
    Why don’t you ask them yourself?

    BTW, who are we voting for this week? It’s so hard to keep up.

  7. Knuckle Dragger

    Less than a minute into that.

    Worst CGI ever.

  8. Armadillo

    We aren’t communists.

    Yet.

    Tune into CNN or the ABC and you will find that Bernie is much cuter than a burnt Koala Bear.

  9. Infidel Tiger

    What the hell is going on?

  10. Knuckle Dragger

    Oh hi IT.

    We were just talking about dark cabal-created tsunamis.

  11. MatrixTransform

    What the hell is going on

    retard running rampant

  12. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Tank Turkey Shoot.

    I’m bookmarking that one, thank you.

  13. Knuckle Dragger

    I’m a degenerate filthbot, but you don’t see me bragging about it.

  14. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Old Lefty at 10:22 pm:

    “A fond farewell from some luvvies for one of the ABC’s in-house pedal fillers. Don’t hold your breath waiting for ABC or Fairfax news reports.

    https://m.legacy.com/obituaries/canberratimes-au/obituary.aspx?n=jon-macggregor-stephens&pid=195072587&referrer=0&preview=True#_ga=2.111397060.1307913882.1579302385-291979754.1573258821

    It will thrill his family and friends, at this time of sorrow and grief, to be reminded just how their
    “witty, creative and laugh-inspiring friend” embraced diversity; and how he served as a trailblazer introducing the young to the freaks’ lifestyle, now endorsed and recommended by governments and corporations across the country.

    For some inexplicable reason they regard him carking it as the loss of a worthy fellow. How odd.

    From the Telegraph in mid 2017:

    “A FORMER ABC producer who created the show that would go on to become Totally Wild has been sentenced to at least six months jail for indecently assaulting a child presenter.

    Jon Stephens was a producer working out of the ABC’s Artarmon studios when he took a 14-year-old boy to Old Sydney Town in 1981 to scout for locations.

    They stayed the night at a nearby motel where Stephens, who was 34 at the time, reached under the boy’s pyjama shorts as he lay on a bed watching TV and abused him.

    The now 70-year-old pleaded guilty to one count of indecent assault and was sentenced in Gosford Local Court to 12 months jail with a non-parole period of six months.”

    The ABC never reported this news.

  15. Armadillo

    What the hell is going on?

    Peter is explaining why he’s on an economics blog 6 months after his missus died, and he is trying to woo his much younger sock puppet into a sexual relationship.

    He also posts videos of “cuteness”.

  16. Leigh Lowe

    my problem is stupid hyper-sexualised old perverts

    Well, helllooooo there.

  17. Infidel Tiger

    Peter is explaining why he’s on an economics blog 6 months after his missus died, and he is trying to woo his much younger sock puppet into a sexual relationship.

    He also posts videos of “cuteness”.

    Standard Sunday banter then.

    Carry on.

  18. struth

    Probably better to stick with sick jokes about me having oral sex with my allegedly dead wife’s corpse, six months after she died.

    You need help, MV.
    You’ve been quite unbalanced of late.
    If you think I said anything like that, you’ve got some major issues.
    I take the death of your wife as, most likely, the reason for your mental deterioration, and now I’m asking you, as someone who has read your comments for years now, to get help.

  19. mh

    Leigh Lowe
    #3297194, posted on January 19, 2020 at 11:15 pm

    Seeing as Dillo is busy, I can advise that BetEasy has the good thing at $1.00 and they vary the price of the other team. Sometimes they may even offer $250.

    Thinking about tonight’s BBL, I’m sure they had the Heat at $1.00 at one stage, can’t remember the Renegades price but most likely got somewhere like $25.00 or higher.

  20. struth

    I told you that you were being disrespectful to your late wife by declaring publicly she liked cunnilingus.
    I told you to pull our head in then, as well.

  21. Peter the old fossil

    It’s okay Dillo.

    I’ve now accomplished what I set out to do this morning. Thanks for all your help. Thanks also to IT, Cassie, Matrix, Struth and the others who helped supply what I was after. There’s now no need for me to hang around this place any longer.

    Thank Christ for that.

  22. MatrixTransform

    Who runs about an internet forum with their c0ck out?

  23. MatrixTransform

    is that a flounce?

  24. jupes

    is that a flounce?

    We can only hope.

  25. Leigh Lowe

    So, people here are now playing Zimmer-Tinder with their own socks?
    You can see why mOnster can’t stay away.

  26. Leigh Lowe

    Who runs about an internet forum with their c0ck out?

    Ah, um, not me.
    Not any more.
    Just put it away.

  27. Steve trickler

    This should be fun.



  28. MatrixTransform

    I wish I was special
    But I’m a bigot
    I’m a weirdo
    What the hell am I doin’ here?
    I don’t belong here
    I don’t belong here

  29. struth
    #3297200, posted on January 19, 2020 at 11:27 pm

    Well said.

  30. Armadillo

    Seeing as Dillo is busy, I can advise that BetEasy.

    Regulations vary from State to State (and even City to Country within a state). I don’t provide “online betting”, but my understanding is that BetEasy due to its very nature would be governed by another set of rules completely.

    For example, a track bookmaker in NSW metropolitan areas must take your bet. In NSW country areas there is a limit that you can accept to lose on a bet ($1,000). It’s regularly ignored at the bookmakers discretion.

    Conditions on a licence Premises in NSW to have a TAB is that you have to be open from when the races start broadcasting to when they finish. There are a myriad of “inclusions and exclusions” within racing and gaming.

    Online/Internet gambling is another kettle of fish altogether. It’s complicated.

    As far as “setting a market” goes, I’m required to by law if I’m fielding on a particular track (depending on the state and wether it’s a country track or a city track). Ways around it are to “set half” a board because you aren’t legally obliged to take a bet until your board is fully set. But why wouldn’t you.

    The reason the “legal requirement” is there is because the state authorities take a percentage of what you write in the book on that particular race.

    I probably should have described it as “contractual” rather than “legal”. However, at the end of the day, it’s the same thing if they want to take you to task over it. Stewards are pretty much the equivalent of the tax office. You don’t cross them because they can inflict a world of hurt on you if they want to, for the most minor of indiscretions. Crap like writing in pencil instead of ink.

  31. mh

    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    ·
    12h
    If you listened to the flawed advice of @paulkrugman at the @nytimes, a newspaper that was going broke until I came along, you would have entirely missed the RECORD BREAKING Stock Market (and other) numbers produced since Election Day, 2016. Sorry, those are the FACTS…..

  32. Armadillo

    So, people here are now playing Zimmer-Tinder with their own socks?

    Pretty much sums it up. It’s been going on for a few months.

    First comes the “How dare you”, followed by the “Denial”, and ultimately the “Fuck You you racist, homophobic bastards”.

    It’s all very predictable.

  33. Armadillo

    I can understand MV getting a bit depressed, but creating sock puppets isn’t the answer.

    Watching a few of Arkys videos is guaranteed to give anyone a newfound appreciation of life.

  34. Steve trickler

    Who has forked out cash for a Pay-Per-View fight?



  35. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From MatrixTransform at 11:59 pm:

    “Who runs about an internet forum with their c0ck out?”

    Enough invented characters to render Catallaxy a lot less useful for information, interesting and intelligent discussion and for entertainment, than it has been for the past decade or so. They are fair dinkum just like pre-pubescent teenagers who place a high value on fart jokes and who believe saying phuk often is muscular.

    I have been here a bit more recently than I have been for some time and I see the deterioration evident a couple of years ago has accelerated. I don’t bother remembering who is on whose team, which invented beings are really someone else and who said what last week – it is not that important to me. It is merely another internet site after all, with a search facility if I care to follow up on these things; and the ever important “scroll by” function now taking me past perhaps 66% of posts.

    At the risk of generating offence and ridicule from the ruling cabal, I will note that Struth, Armadillo and MatrixTransform have all, in the past hour or so tonight, made the case why it is less worthy of a man’s time.

  36. struth

    At the risk of generating offence and ridicule from the ruling cabal, I will note that Struth, Armadillo and MatrixTransform have all, in the past hour or so tonight, made the case why it is less worthy of a man’s time.

    How so?

  37. EvilElvis

    in the past hour or so tonight, made the case why it is less worthy of a man’s time.

    I’ve just sat through ‘The Last Jedi’ for the first time. Tell me a story.

  38. Mitch M.

    I have been here a bit more recently than I have been for some time and I see the deterioration evident a couple of years ago has accelerated. … At the risk of generating offence and ridicule from the ruling cabal, I will note that Struth, Armadillo and MatrixTransform have all, in the past hour or so tonight, made the case why it is less worthy of a man’s time.

    Blogs come and go, the content of this one has shifted over the years and with that the commentators. It will survive and it will still have a large following but over time it will become a different following. For myself almost moot because I’m not that interested in politics. I enjoy the contributions of BON, Zippy, Frank Walker, and the military types(but I have an instinctive scroll reflex for numbers) but they are in the minority. I would prefer a return to the themes of years past but I know that isn’t going to happen.

    It’s just a blog, no reason to get excited about it.

  39. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From struth at 1:11 am:

    ” At the risk of generating offence and ridicule from the ruling cabal, I will note that Struth, Armadillo and MatrixTransform have all, in the past hour or so tonight, made the case why it is less worthy of a man’s time.

    How so?

    How so? By pointing out the bleeding obvious. From Struth at at 11:27 pm:

    “This is a political blog.
    Not a dating site.
    We all have our problems and now we have to listen to …

    we’re all supposed to give a shit about someone we don’t even know … And you were getting quite rank.
    Pull ya fucking head in.”

    and from Armadillo at 11:36 pm:

    ” …

    Exactly. Why the hell are you coming to the Cat with your sob stories. It’s not the place normal people come to “mourn” whilst going on with a load of bullshit trying to “woo” your sock puppet.

    That’s just f…g deranged”

    and from Matrix:

    “my problem is stupid hyper-sexualised old perverts”

    and, I repeat:

    “Who runs about an internet forum with their c0ck out?”

    Finally, I will attempt to make my comment clearer, to edge past the apparent sensitivity.

    Struth, etc with their accurate observations have, to their credit, made the case why it is less worthy of a man’s time. I am pleased that they have done that. I am happy, je suis heureux. This is a compliment to them, offered with gratitude. Thank you.

  40. Arky

    I’m sorry.
    I like you blokes and the banter on here, and I disagree with Peter on a whole bunch of stuff.
    The Elle stuff was weird.
    But attacking a bloke over his deceased wife is sick.
    Leave it off for pities sake.

  41. Arky

    Which is all I’m going to say on this.

  42. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Mitch M. at 1:34 am:

    ” I have been here a bit more recently than I have been for some time and I see the deterioration evident a couple of years ago has accelerated. … At the risk of generating offence and ridicule from the ruling cabal, I will note that Struth, Armadillo and MatrixTransform have all, in the past hour or so tonight, made the case why it is less worthy of a man’s time.

    Blogs come and go, the content of this one has shifted over the years … I would prefer a return to the themes of years past but I know that isn’t going to happen.

    It’s just a blog, no reason to get excited about it.

    I think I am reading an echo of (an unexcited) me …

    “… it is not that important to me. It is merely another internet site after all …”

  43. struth

    Thanks for being clear on that Mick Gold Coast.

    I find this site refreshing for the pure fact of it’s freedoms.
    Very important to use platforms like this and important to have robust debate about points of view.
    And just to be able to do that without mediation in the extreme is rare, so should be supported.
    When I first came here many years ago, we were the conservatives basically seen as Bolt’s rejects who couldn’t get passed his mediators.
    It was libertarians and economists, so quite a big change there.
    I also add the hopelessness of political discourse these days due to the traitorous Libs.
    We used to talk about politics feverishly when we were still naïve enough to believe there was a difference between parties, that our votes mattered.
    Australia has well passed the tipping point now, and this site, like Australia itself, is heading down the crapper, as the people are now irrelevant.
    Hence the bullshit man are going on with regarding other subjects.
    Where once we might discuss the various monetary policies of parties, now we see them wilfully destroying the very electricity that keeps us out of the stone age.
    It’s a war against the west, and we can all see what is going on, and it’s too basic and too in your face to need discussion.
    It’s happening.
    There are no pros and cons, it’s all cons, and our voting system, our immigration etc means there is nothing we can do.
    In the face of things, It’s dam optimistic of anyone here to care enough to still comment.

  44. Armadillo

    You blokes have been had.

  45. zyconoclast

    A man has been stabbed in a horrifying machete attack outside a kebab shop in Sydney.

    The victim stumbled into Metro Pita Kebab on George Street near Broadway on Sunday evening with blood pouring from his leg.

  46. Armadillo

    If I get on here 6 months after Mrs A departs and start seducing sock puppets, you are welcome to call me out on it.

  47. Armadillo

    The left has you beat:

  48. Armadillo

    Why do you think nUmbers is here every minute of the day? He’s not your friend (if you hadn’t noticed)

  49. Armadillo

    Dan dude. Not your friend. He hasn’t said a single thing you can’t find on Google yourselves

  50. Armadillo

    MV is just sleazy. Seriously, go back and read the threads.

  51. Armadillo

    Mick wonders why the Cat has gone down hill?
    Check out the nature and number of posts from just three individuals

    They aren’t here to discuss anything, they are here to disrupt:

  52. Armadillo

    Learnt anything from these people? Other than the way the left worldview works:

  53. Armadillo

    Go try and post a sensible comment on the Guardian website. See what happens…..

  54. egg_

    Learnt anything from these people?

    Septimus has been particularly nasty to the Kittehs, of late.
    Lunar phase?

  55. egg_

    He’s also been critical of BoN, his former buddy, and vice-versa.
    Beware your heroes with feet of clay.
    We need more commenters like mote to bring the geeks into line.

  56. Armadillo

    If anyone can actually vouch for meeting Marilyn, I’ll apologise. There was a reference to her with condolences, but I can’t recall who from.

  57. Armadillo

    More like lunatic phase: The dregs of the left have arrived because their own blogs have folded

  58. egg_

    A Chinese sex doll is probably better for MV than an online identity.
    In time, a girlfriend?

  59. mh

    It would help matters if Sinc changed the banner.

    Even Dr Fred’s other painting would help.

  60. Tom

    Cartoon notes: Paul Zanetti this weekend flounced off and closed his Twitter account, reverting to Spacechook to show his work. Unfortunately, Spacechook software doesn’t allow me to reproduce his work here, which means it will appear only occasionally when it turns up in Goolag searches.

  61. calli

    Thanks, Tom. Loved the “Bongless Brexit” with the apologetic fireworks.

  62. Mater

    Well, it’s been an interesting night at the Cat.
    I think I’ll make safe, and stand clear!

    P.S. Mick, it’s been good to see you around a bit more often.

  63. Nelson Kidd-Players

    Thanks, Tom.

  64. calli

    Bring grist to the mill, guys. And use the scroll function.

    And speaking of grist, this from the ABC. Lots of interesting questions about re-building, BAL ratings and buy-backs.

    Having done many…many designs for gardens in Flame Zones, it’s all very well at the start to get the DA over the line, but these things have to be maintained. And it’s not much good if there’s no firebreak between publicly owned bonfire piles and people’s carefully manicured and maintained properties.

  65. calli

    In addition, idiots at Councils (I’m looking at you, Wahringah, but you’re not alone), insist on a high % of native vegetation in new DAs, and helpfully supply plant lists.

    Nothing like having oil laden natives around the house in an emergency.

  66. Cassie of Sydney

    From The Oz…

    “Trans therapy law ‘may harm child patients’

    Health Minister Steven Miles says the government was proud to lead the fight against ‘gay conversion therapy’ by health providers, rejecting ‘the notion that LGBTIQ people are broken or sick’.

    Unproven hormone treatment that potentially sterilises children “born in the wrong body” may be entrenched if Queensland becomes the first state to criminalise so-called anti-transgender “conversion therapy.”

    This is the warning from health practitioners who say the threat of 18 months in prison will scare away the cautious therapists needed to unravel the reasons for a puzzling post-2000 epidemic in teenagers, mostly girls, wanting to change gender.

    Conversion therapy normally refers to attempts, sometimes coercive and using electric shocks, to change the fixed sexual orientation of adults, mostly associated with the US decades ago.

    In line with global trans activist tactics, the Queensland bill expands the definition to include changing the still-developing “gender identity” of under-18s but gives a green light to the gender shift of “transition”.

    Health Minister Steven Miles said the government was proud to lead the fight against “gay conversion therapy” by health providers, rejecting “the notion that LGBTIQ people are broken or sick”.

    “There is overwhelming evidence that conversion therapy is harmful and that it correlates with high rates of suicide,” the minister said when introducing the mostly uncontroversial, multi-part Health Legislation Amendment Bill in late November.

    But an unlikely coalition of doctors, Christians and women’s groups has accused the government of following an activist template that exploits revulsion at past conversion therapy as a cover to freeze out psychotherapists who are worried some of today’s teenage trans declarations mask underlying issues and social pressures.

    These gender clinic patients, chiefly girls, often have a range of problems including autism, mental illness, awkward same-sex attraction, child abuse, harassment, bullying and family trauma.

    Some clinicians say if those issues are explored and treated, bodily distress may fade away. However, they stress that the recently dominant pro-trans “affirmative” care approach frames this as “conversion therapy”.

    Key mainstream bodies appear to have been blindsided by the Palaszczuk government’s attempt to rush the bill through, with consultations staged during the summer holidays.

    The deadline for comment was January 6 but the Australian Medical Association Queensland and the Royal Australasian and New Zealand College of Psychiatrists both want the chance to make a submission.

    Queensland Law Society president Luke Murphy said the government had no “cogent data” on conversion therapy to justify a new criminal offence, and the bill’s “extremely broad” definition could prohibit legitimate treatment.

    The bill’s backers include Queensland’s Human Rights Commission, the Queensland AIDS Council and the Australian Psychological Society, all echoing the government’s reliance on the 2018 Preventing Harm, Promoting Justice report of the La Trobe University sex research centre behind the pro-trans Safe Schools program.

    Veteran psychiatrist Cary Breakey, founding director of Queensland’s first inpatient mental health unit for adolescents, said the law in effect could impose the pro-trans “gender affirming” model “as the automatic treatment pathway for all children reporting gender issues”.

    In the past, typical cases of feeling “born in the wrong body” involved a small number of pre-school boys and the vast majority grew out of it, thanks to psychotherapy or cautious “watchful waiting”, with many emerging as young gay or bisexual adults.

    Asked if those approaches could become crimes, a spokeswoman for the minister said the bill would not “not apply to or change the current way clinicians treat children who are considering gender transition”.

    Current practice at the Queensland Children’s Hospital gender service is “affirmative” treatment, including puberty blocker drugs to stop the “distressing” growth of breasts in “trans boys”, and cross-sex hormones to mimic the opposite-sex body.

    Some researchers and practitioners, including former gender clinic staff overseas, say the evidence is so weak, the treatment must be regarded as “experimental”, with side-effects including infertility, impaired sexual function and life-long dependence on the medical system.

    There are no rigorous studies confirming the superiority of the affirmation model over other kinds of treatment for gender dysphoria, the unsettling conflict between biological sex and an inner feeling of gender identity.

    The Queensland bill includes “counselling” as potentially criminal conversion therapy but exempts the “affirmative” approach that “assists” children thinking about or undergoing gender transition.

    University of Queensland law dean Patrick Parkinson, making a personal submission on the bill, said it would be “almost impossible” to draw a line between a counsellor “changing” the inherently changeable identity of young people and exploring the underlying reasons for a mistaken feeling of being “born in the wrong body”.

    Explanatory notes for the bill use the word “torture” six times, but at a public briefing last month Queensland Health’s director-general John Wakefield admitted data on conversion therapy in Australia was by its nature “very scant”, although he cited the 2018 La Trobe report as the “most detailed work”.

    That report, co-authored by the Human Rights Law Centre, focuses mainly on religious “gay conversion” stories, going back as far as the 1980s, as told by 15 interviewees recruited through social media, newspapers and LGBT networks. Only two of them were transgender, one was non-binary and none was under 18.

    The report admits: “Without further research, it remains unclear where and to what extent trans conversion therapy is actually promoted and practised in Australia.”

    The affirmative model claims children are “experts” in the “inner truth” of their gender identity and promotes hormone treatment, and sometimes under-18s surgery, such as a double mastectomy. Families say they are offered a simple choice between “life-saving” affirmative care and suicide risk.

    There has been a surge in pro-trans publicity online, together with an uptake of “gender diverse” school policies, but affirmative clinicians deny any social contagion. They insist the exploding caseload simply reflects a more welcoming society, although they also blame “transphobia” in the community for the poor mental health of young patients.

    The affirmative model faces intensifying global scrutiny from practitioners, young adult “detransitioners” who regret gender change as harmful and misconceived, “gender critical” women’s groups, and some adult trans adults.

    Texan trans man Scott Newgent, who has begun an online petition to stop medical transition of children, said the risks of surgery going wrong were being downplayed.

    “I do think there are people who need to transition, but not kids,” he said. “Transition (with hormones) is brutal on the mind, body and soul. I was absolutely flabbergasted (when I found out) that they were doing this to kids.”

    Federal Health Minister Greg Hunt is awaiting urgent expert advice on the best way to treat young people with gender dysphoria.

    The affirmation model in Australia has been spearheaded by the Royal Children’s Hospital in Melbourne gender clinic, which issued 2018 treatment guidelines promoted as “Australian standards”.

    Last September, following critical coverage in this newspaper, the RCH guidelines were quietly disendorsed, pending “further review” of their evidence base, by the RANZCP.

    Last week in the UK, court action began against the NHS Tavistock youth gender clinic, with former staffer Sue Evans and the mother of a troubled, “gender-confused” 15-year-old girl arguing that minors cannot consent to puberty blocker treatment with long-term effects unknown to experts.

    In stark contrast to Queensland, legislators in several US states are preparing bills to make it a criminal offence to transition under-18s with hormone treatment or surgery.

    On Wednesday, a South Dakota legislative committee will hear evidence in favour of a ban from witnesses including “a progressive feminist, a middle-aged trans man, a young de-transitioner female, a mental health counsellor, and three physicians,” Republican politician Fred Deutsch told The Australian.

    He said he had come across “so many horror stories from kids dealing with transition and detransition”.

    Many US states already have “conversion therapy” laws, leaving clinicians little choice but to “affirm” a child’s stated “gender identity”, and parents fear being reported to authorities and losing custody of their children if they resist transition.

    In Scotland on Saturday, there was a formal launch of what is believed to be the world’s first LGB organisation willing to openly challenge the self-identified trans project. The LGB Alliance is calling for an open, respectful debate about the clash between trans rights and the risk to the welfare of lesbians, gays, bisexuals, women, and children who don’t fit stereotypical gender roles.

    Trans ideology redefines homosexuality as sexual attraction between people of the same “gender identity”, meaning men can “identify” as lesbians with a “female penis”.

    Bev Jackson, a founder of the LGB Alliance, said the Queensland bill sounded “shocking.”

    “This is the (trans activist) script,” she said. “You sneak policy in without public knowledge, you hitch your policy goal to something more popular, like same-sex marriage, you try to limit media coverage and instead do your lobbying behind the scenes … the public is completely unaware of what’s happening.”

    University of Melbourne philosopher Holly Lawson-Smith, a “gender critical” lesbian feminist, said the Queensland bill promoting uncritical affirmation could put clinicians in a double bind.

    “You might affirm a young ‘trans man’ who turns out to actually be a lesbian. You might affirm a young ‘gay man’ who turns out to actually be trans,” she said.

    Queensland Health’s Dr Wakefield cited APS support for the government approach.

    The APS, which calls itself Australia’s “premier professional association for psychologists”, said it “strongly opposes any form of mental health practice that seeks to change a person’s sexual orientation or gender identity” and claimed “the research evidence clearly shows that conversion practices are harmful”.

    This claim is also made by affirmative activists overseas, and critics say it is misleading when linked to the unfamiliar, expanded definition of conversion therapy.

    “There are no studies of conversion therapy for gender identity,” said the renowned Canadian psychologist and sex researcher James Cantor.

    “Studies of conversion therapy have been limited to sexual orientation, and, moreover, to the sexual orientation of adults, not to gender identity and not of children in any case.”

    In a 2019 peer-reviewed paper, Dr Cantor cast a critical eye over the recent policy of the American Academy of Pediatrics, which endorses the affirmative treatment model as the only way to help gender-questioning children.

    He said the AAP had cited but misrepresented key studies which, contrary to its new policy, had “repeatedly endorsed watchful waiting”.

    “The AAP told neither the truth nor the whole truth, committing sins both of commission and of omission, asserting claims easily falsified by anyone caring to do any fact-checking at all.”

    The AAP refused to comment.

    Critics of the affirmative model say it has been embraced by small committees of mainstream medical bodies with busy practitioner members outside this niche field, unaware that its claims of treatment safety and mental health benefits are weak or untested.

    They say this model is entangled with identity politics, frames “trans” medical intervention as a human right, campaigns against safeguards as “unnecessary gatekeeping”, and pushes for intervention at ever-younger ages.

    In a Tasmanian law reform submission last year, the APS gave advice on what rules should apply in the case of doctors seeking to go ahead with “trans” surgery when a patient under 16 gave consent but parents were opposed.

    The society argued it might unduly restrict such children’s access to surgery if this required sign-off from two independent medical practitioners (who could also be clinical psychologists).

    The stated reason of the APS was a shortage of specialists and a “bottleneck” in youth access to surgery.

    Rejecting the idea of mandatory pre-operative counselling for these under-16s, the APS said “affirming” mental health support should be on offer, but “whilst some oversight is required in terms of medical treatment, such oversight should not serve to gatekeep or prevent access to services”.

    After controversy about its submission, the APS issued a statement saying that if minors sought surgery without parental approval, they “should have the right to access the opinion and guidance of suitably qualified medical professionals, including psychologists.”

    BERNARD LANE

    Line of the day….”meaning men can “identify” as lesbians with a “female penis”.”

    I don’t know whether to laugh or cry!

  67. Geriatric Mayfly

    Queen sad she’s ‘barely seen’ Archie
    The Queen’s eighth great-grandson has met her, Prince Charles and his cousins only a handful of times – and not at all this year.

    Some manipulative madam playing games here? Just wondering.

  68. Eyrie

    The recently concluded Women’s World Gliding Championships at Lake Keepit near Tamworth (should never be – women are just as good at flying as men) has degenerated into an international cheating scandal. The Australians got caught!
    The effort wasn’t confined to one or two individual competitors but appears to have been an organised effort, or so I’ve heard. The Gliding Federation of Australia receives some government funding. Noice.

  69. Cassie of Sydney

    I posted an article from The Australian about “Trans therapy”….which deals with highly dangerous legislation that will be introduced in QLD….of course the LNP and Freckleface are missing in action. The comment has gone into moderation and I can’t be bothered going through it in order to try and work out which words are “bad”……..so those who have a subscription to The Oz should read it…..Bernard Lane is doing very good journalism on this “trans” nonsense…..but there is a line in the piece which will give fellow Cats a laugh…

    “”meaning men can “identify” as lesbians with a “female penis”.”

    It is insanity.

  70. Nick

    Queen sad she’s ‘barely seen’ Archie
    The Queen’s eighth great-grandson has met her, Prince Charles and his cousins only a handful of times – and not at all this year.

    The Daily Mail are reporting that Wallis Markle kept all her clothes in storage in Toronto before she got married. Always intending to return to Canada.

  71. 1735099

    Sound advice from Sully –

    Trump’s words, he said, were indicative of a “culture of cruelty” which “drives decent people from public service and … makes millions of Americans recoil from politics, and even from participating in our democracy”.
    “Vice-President Biden has spoken openly – and courageously, in my view – about the pain of his severe childhood stutter,” Sullenberger wrote. “He takes time to reach out to children who have suffered as he did.
    “So, to every child who feels today, what I felt, after hearing those cruel remarks by an adult who should know better, here is what I want you to know: “You are fine, just as you are.

  72. Geriatric Mayfly

    “”meaning men can “identify” as lesbians with a “female penis”.”

    At last. There’s always been an old hungry yearning burning inside of me. I will be me.

  73. Arky

    “You are fine, just as you are.

    ..
    N n n n n n no you’re n n n n not.

  74. Knuckle Dragger

    Usually, and I say this with appropriate level of decorum, Sunday nights are batshit boring here. Last night was a vivid exception – which brings me to flouncing. And I say this as a lurker for quite some time before I popped my cherry in Mr Sinclair’s ballpit of fury.

    Nobody – and I mean nobody – is ‘chased off’ this blog, as someone said last night. Sure, the original premise of the place was to discuss economics and/or politics, and despite the wide variety of subjects under the microscope that’s still true, it’s just layered.

    There are only a tiny, tiny number of subjects that are verboten, and for good reason. The rest are open slather, for equally good reason.

    If you’re looking for universal approval or validation, you will not find it here, and nor should you due to the breadth and depth of life experience, opinion and skill sets available in one place. I can’t remember any one comment (or poster, for that matter) that has been constantly fawned over because their online persona is nice. But that’s apparently what some are chasing.

    If you have to flounce because a) not everyone agrees with you or is persuaded to your point of view, b) someone you don’t really know said ‘nasty’ things – or even worse, made fun of you, or c) you are personally crushed because you can dish it out when you want but crumble when you have to take it, then sorry bud – you’re in the wrong joint. You want the beige restaurant up the road where they only serve compressed mineral water, not this one where your schooner turns up with someone else’s blood in it.

    And – because this has happened recently as well – you are compelled to flounce because you are irreparably damaged due any to the above reasons, and you insinuate pre-flounce that somehow the damage has compromised your mental elf and who knows what could happen, then:

    1. You are trawling for attention, and waiting/lurking to see what you hope is a multitude of ‘come back, where is XXXX?’ commentary prior to a triumphant return, in which case you are a flog; or
    2. You are indeed damaged and were such already, and this place hasn’t changed a damn thing.

    It’s a blog. It’s not your life. Christ.

  75. Knuckle Dragger

    Serious question.

    How the hell do you cheat at gliding?

    Do you sneak a hand held fan on board and hang it out the back? What?

  76. calli

    Knuckles, on taking a spell away, there is always (d).

    No point getting hot under the collar over woids.

  77. 132andBush

    I saw this in the side bar on Calli’s link above.

    The statement that the rangers were surprised at the ferocity of the fires tells me they shouldn’t be in the job.
    Anyone with half a brain who has navigated that area could see the potential for disaster.
    Two years ago the timbered areas were barely traversable due to dry fall and waist high undergrowth.

  78. 1735099

    In my email today –

    Congratulations!
    It is with great pleasure that the Faculty of Business, Education, Law and Arts acknowledges your exceptional academic performance for Semester 2, 2019.
    This is a great achievement and you should be very proud!
    We hope you continue to enjoy success in your studies at USQ and I personally look forward to seeing your results for next semester.

    At 72, the old grey matter continues to function.

  79. Top Ender

    Thanks for the link Cassie.

    I have posted a comment under the article:

    So we don’t allow young people to drink, vote, drive cars, take out contracts – and other things – because of the risks involved, but we should encourage and allow them to make irreversible decisions about their sexuality and their physical body?

    Will be interesting to see if the moderators of the Oz allow it.

  80. Bushkid

    Eyrie
    #3297315, posted on January 20, 2020 at 7:56 am
    The recently concluded Women’s World Gliding Championships at Lake Keepit near Tamworth (should never be – women are just as good at flying as men) has degenerated into an international cheating scandal. The Australians got caught!
    The effort wasn’t confined to one or two individual competitors but appears to have been an organised effort, or so I’ve heard. The Gliding Federation of Australia receives some government funding. Noice.

    How dreadfully disappointing. I flew gliders (sailplanes, not hang gliders) in my distant youth, and I doubt there’s a more exhilarating, delightful, demanding (outside of military) way to fly. To cheapen the competition by cheating is appalling. Although it’s difficult to see how you can cheat – start and finish gates to pass, turning point photos, even barograph traces (if those are still used).

    On the gender note, it’s also extremely disappointing that there is a “womens” comp. Gliding/flying is one of those things that women do just as well as men (along with equestrian competition and endurance riding for example).

  81. Cassie of Sydney

    “Knuckle Dragger
    #3297325, posted on January 20, 2020 at 8:06 am”

    Well said KD.

  82. Nob

    Well done numbers Bob.

    What are you studying? Classical economics?

  83. Nob

    Tom
    #3297294, posted on January 20, 2020 at 5:22 am
    Cartoon notes: Paul Zanetti this weekend flounced off and closed his Twitter account, reverting to Spacechook to show his work. Unfortunately, Spacechook software doesn’t allow me to reproduce his work here, which means it will appear only occasionally when it turns up in Goolag searches

    In other circumstances, on other forums, technical not political, I clip a screenshot of the image I want and paste it into Imgur.

  84. Leigh Lowe

    Spud thinks a broadcast participation prize e-mail to discourage drop-out is an actual achievement.

  85. MatrixTransform

    Mick Gold Coast QLD

    youre welcome to your opinion.

    Over a few decades I’ve seen the demise of several open and interesting forums.
    Every time without exception they fall to pieces because ugly trolls are afforded the freedom to fuck it up.
    and like yourself perhaps, people get sick of it and wander off.

    you can say I make it worse perhaps, I don’t give shit really
    the truth of it is that the trolls hold everybody to ransom.
    respond or not, either way you’ll be damned if you do and damned if you don’t

    maybe Mick, yr immune from it except on the forum but in case you haven’t noticed yr being trolled by the ABC, trolled by Fairfax, trolled by the universities, trolled by 3 levels of govt.
    I’ll even wager that yr a white, sexist, bigoted, middle aged boomer like most here.
    Who framed that?
    T’were a troll

    You can wish all you like that they can be ignored and they’ll go away. Magically…just like they appeared
    If this were my forum, I’d simply shoot every troll on the spot … free speech be damned
    and the result would, by the sounds of it, suit you too right?

    but it aint my forum

  86. Top Ender

    Today is the anniversary of the sinking of the submarine I-124 outside Darwin, on 20 January 1942.

    RIP to her 80 man crew, and also to the ship’s company of HMAS Deloraine, the corvette that sank her, with a tremendous display of teamwork, and leadership from Lieutenant Commander Desmond Menlove.

    Almost a month to the day the four submarines of the Sixth Submarine Squadron failed in their efforts to close Darwin down, the Imperial Japanese Navy came back, and raided the harbour and town with four aircraft carriers, killing 236 people in what was the first of 207 raids across Northern Australia in the war.

    Proud to have written the book on the submarine, and another on the raids of the Japanese until mid-1944.

  87. 132andBush

    “You are fine, just as you are.

    Touchy wutchie, feelgood bullshit.

  88. cohenite

    Thanks Tom; this is a good one:

    https://twt-thumbs.washtimes.com/media/image/2020/01/16/20200117-hunter_s878x581.jpg?2892cd34c0bc63265703670342e2ada2d0906225

    The point is Mitch should kick the impeachment articles out and then call the fucking bidens.

  89. Val Majkus

    The recently concluded Women’s World Gliding Championships at Lake Keepit near Tamworth (should never be – women are just as good at flying as men) has degenerated into an international cheating scandal. The Australians got caught!

    got a link for that?

  90. 1735099

    I flew gliders (sailplanes, not hang gliders) in my distant youth.

    Same same, in my first year of teaching at Goondiwindi in 1968 before Nasho.
    The principal of the high school at the time owned a glider, and was a very generous bloke and let me pilot it from time to time.
    Launches were towed by an old Auster – not winched – and the kite was called a Slingsby T something.
    Fantastic experience.
    What fascinated me was the sounds you could hear from aloft – dogs barking – that sort of thing.

  91. 1735099

    What are you studying? Classical economics?

    Military history.
    There’s no such science as economics.

  92. 1735099

    Today is the anniversary of the sinking of the submarine I-124 outside Darwin, on 20 January 1942.

    Did you find the memorial to the Wharfies, old mate?
    Just asking…..

  93. Old School Conservative

    Will be interesting to see if the moderators of the Oz allow it.

    You are in.
    I “liked” the comment.
    Where do I send my invoice to?

  94. Eyrie

    KD and bushkid, here’s how you cheat at gliding (well one way – there are others):
    Nowadays GPS based flight recorders are used which have some security features so the files generated during a race cannot be tampered with. There are also Spot and other trackers being used to transmit real time or near real time data back to the contest base for both safety reasons and to try to generate some spectator interest. The Contest organisers do however delay this data from public view by about 15 minutes so it cannot be transmitted back to the pilots by their team managers/ground crew for tactical advantage. There is also the possibility of “harvesting” the data collected by each glider’s radio/GPS based collision alert system.
    The Aussie team had a way of transmitting the data to the pilots in real time which also raises the possibility of asking “who is actually flying the glider?” Is it the pilot or a team member sitting in an airconditioned room with a big screen, weather overlays, knowledge of where all the competitors are and how they are going who directs the pilot to go left or right to be in slightly better air. This can make a BIG difference.
    The over riding contest rule is that as far as possible it is meant to be “a contest between individual pilots” and also outside aiding and non competing gliders are not allowed to help you which obviously includes gliders in other classes of gliders as they aren’t competing against you. This system breaks the rules on several levels.
    What most international people have not realised yet is that the system has been in existence since early 2014 and has been used at numerous international contests overseas by the Australian Teams, not just at this Women’s contest.
    The Aussie pilots at this contest and others were being told the system was legal under the rules but the Australians had never asked for a ruling by the international governing body, in order to keep it secret.
    A couple of good blokes I know, when flying overseas, told the Team Captain where to jam the system and refused to use it as they believed it to be in contravention of the rules. The rest went along to get along and didn’t ask questions. Dirty rotten cheats. Including the women recently.

    This is not entirely surprising as the Gliding Federation of Australia has long ago degenerated into an oppressive bureaucracy with a culture of bullying and intimidation starting at the very top which has had safety implications as people are afraid to speak up when something is wrong, for fear of vindictive repercussions and reprisals including nasty little personal feuds. I could tell you how I know from personal experience and I know other people who have been victims of this.
    This is the body that CASA has delegated the regulatory administration of a branch of civil aviation to. It gets even better when you realise that CASA has employees who are Gliding Federation members and some of them have influenced CASA policy regarding gliding regulation, which has lead to this state of affairs.

  95. Top Ender

    Not in Darwin at present Numbers, but yes, I know of the memorial.

    From what I recall you mentioned two people of the same surname. Who were they again?

  96. Top Ender

    I’ll buy you a beer when we meet, Old School.

  97. Knuckle Dragger

    Appreciated, Eyrie.

    Staggering.

  98. 8th Dan

    The Aussie team had a way of transmitting the data to the pilots in real time

    Doesn’t seem to be reported anywhere. Do you have a link?

  99. Just passing, thought I’d see if the angst level had receded.

  100. 8th Dan

    Soaring – TOCUMWAL DIARY AND…REFLECTIONS ON WWGC.

    The controversies:

    The Aussie girls;
    9 of them,….. and some really practiced hard to “shine” here in Lake Keepit in their own country.
    Will we ever know how good they were???
    Loved seeing all their good results…loved seeing their happiness,…but were they so good because of all practice ,…. or by listening to those who gave them un-delayed data ????

    The complaint;
    “On the final day of competition, a complaint was lodged by Team Captains of all teams with the exception of Australia. The complaint alleged that the Australian Team had gained unauthorized access to undelayed data from the official competition tracking system – which has a mandated 15 minute delay. This was a system that all competitors were compelled to use. The complaint stated this information gave Australian team pilots a competitive advantage. Following an investigation, a Team penalty of 250pts was applied to all Australian Team pilots..

    Four protests were subsequently lodged in both support (3 asking for further penalties including disqualification) and defence (removal of the penalty). The jury committee deliberated for over 5 hours and called on the assistance of a number of IT experts that included the system designer. The ultimate decision being a penalty of 25 points per day. The penalty was levied as a Team penalty and was therefore applied to all pilots equally.”

    Mandy Temple CD

    News from the TC’s is still pending.
    They await the next step !There are still processes to follow, and they are all waiting to see how this proceeds.
    It seems to be a long way from being over.

    Official written jury report is still pending as well.

    Let’s wait and see how this unfolds.

  101. Leigh Lowe

    What fascinated me was the sounds you could hear from aloft – dogs barking – that sort of thing.

    Could you hear any B52s over Cambodia?

  102. 1735099

    From what I recall you mentioned two people of the same surname. Who were they again?

    There were two Giles brothers.

    Colwell Burleigh Giles was one of the 22 wharfies killed on the 19 February. His brother, Toby Giles was working along side him when the attack started. They were loading a ship when the Japanese air raid started. Toby remembered that he and his brother were running back along the wharf when something happened and Toby ended up in the water. Toby lost his leg in this incident and no trace of his brother Colwell was ever found. It is assumed that a Japanese bomb landed right on top of their location. Colwell Giles’ name is on a Memorial in Darwin.

  103. Eyrie

    “Mandy Temple CD” (Contest director), past president of the Gliding Federation of Australia who created the position of “immediate past president” and AFAIK still occupies it and who I believe knew all about the cheating system given her husband has been on the Team for last several years. These are utterly charming people.

  104. jo

    Top Ender
    #3297336, posted on January 20, 2020 at 8:28 am

    Thanks for the link Cassie.

    I have posted a comment under the article:

    So we don’t allow young people to drink, vote, drive cars, take out contracts – and other things – because of the risks involved, but we should encourage and allow them to make irreversible decisions about their sexuality and their physical body?

    Will be interesting to see if the moderators of the Oz allow it.

    How much money is going to be paid out to younguns whom are not responsible enough to get their bits cut off. Slugs and Grub will already be working on it. Children suing their crazed parents that allowed them to do it, parents suing politicians and doctors.

  105. Top Ender

    Thanks for that Numbers. I trust you have seen the NT Roll of Honour?

  106. mh

    Tim Blair would fvck off the trolls quick smart which made his blog great.

    It went downhill due to News Limited interference.

  107. Cassie of Sydney

    “Top Ender
    #3297336, posted on January 20, 2020 at 8:28 am”

    Great comment TE…I have liked the comment on the The Oz.

  108. Top Ender

    Vale Derek Fowlds

    Actor Derek Fowlds, best known for playing private secretary Bernard Woolley in the political satire Yes Minister and its sequel Yes Prime Minister, has moved on to that great meeting room in the sky, aged 82.

    Strewth remembers the sitcom’s first episode when Woolley tells the minister (who wants a new chair but not one that spins): “It used to be said there were two kinds of chairs to go with two kinds of ministers: one sort that folds up instantly and the other sort that goes round and round in circles.”

    In another, Woolley offers to help when the minister is inundated with correspondence. Woolley: “I’ll just say, ‘The minister has asked me to thank you for your letter’ and something like ‘The matter is under consideration’, or even ‘under active consideration’.” Minister: “What’s the difference?” Woolley: “Well, ‘under consideration’ means we’ve lost the file, ‘under active consideration’ means we’re trying to find it.”

    Oz print edition

  109. Johno

    Tim Blair would fvck off the trolls quick smart which made his blog great.

    Sniffy being one of them. Tim use to smack him all over the universe,and then the next day he would be back again,for another hiding. Eventually Tim said “enough”. And peace descended. ’twas a good day.

  110. 132andBush

    How much money is going to be paid out to younguns whom are not responsible enough to get their bits cut off. Slugs and Grub will already be working on it. Children suing their crazed parents that allowed them to do it, parents suing politicians and doctors.

    And suing organizations that claim to exercise a duty of care to young people.
    I’ll cite the Australian Army Cadets as one example.

  111. Tom

    The silence of the left:

    Almost half of all people killed by intimate partners are indigenous or overseas-born, which has prompted calls for a more targeted approach to tackling family ­violence.

    About 23 per cent of intimate-partner homicide victims were indigenous in the 10 years to 2015-16.

    A further 22 per cent of those victims whose backgrounds were known were overseas-born, according to previously unpublished figures provided to The Australian by the Australian Institute of Criminology.

    In total, there were 1078 ­domestic homicide victims over the decade to 2015-16, which equated to more than two people killed every week by an intimate partner or family member.

    Contrary to community perceptions, the domestic homicide rate, in particular the intimate-partner homicide rate, has been falling since 1989-90 (when data collecting began).

    Intimate-partner homicides fell to 0.26 per 100,000 people in 2015-16, the lowest rate recorded in the 27-year period since 1989-90. The rate then was 0.66 per 100,000.

    Graphic: intimate partner homicides.

  112. 1735099

    What is it about the WA Libs and corruption?

  113. lotocoti

    Goody.
    I have An Anecdote For Every Occasion, on this occasion.
    Having previously faffed about a little, barefoot in a Blanik, the first I ever heard of steel toed boots, was learning they were mandatory footwear in Naval Aviation.
    (If one were to use Messrs Martin and Baker’s otherwise fine product, said steel toed boots provided a reasonable chance of not having a couple of shoe sizes shaved off by the instrument panel coaming.)

  114. Nelson Kidd-Players

    See a systemic problem there, Numbers?

  115. Fisky

    Haha what a scam!

    Peter Schiff
    @PeterSchiff
    I just lost all the #Bitcoin I have ever owned. My wallet got corrupted somehow and my password is no longer valid. So now not only is my Bitcoin intrinsically worthless; it has no market value either. I knew owning Bitcoin was a bad idea, I just never realized it was this bad!

  116. Helen

    MV – Peter, I hope you sort yourself out soon. You have a lot going on and there is only so much this forum can help with.

    In regards to Ellie, though, to my knowledge, this is the second time you have shared personal information she has given you privately on trust with this forum. If she wanted us to know she was having a breakdown, she would have told us. She was very embarrassed the first time, gently remonstrating with you publicly on here, if it were, me, I would not be too happy about it, either.

    Please desist. You were using Marilyn as a crutch, through your shyness, now you are using Ellie as an excuse. I’m no psych, but I do think you need professional help. Please find it.

  117. Shy Ted

    1735099 #3297335, posted on January 20, 2020 at 8:28 am
    In my email today –
    Congratulations!
    It is with great pleasure that the Faculty of Business, Education, Law and Arts acknowledges your exceptional academic performance for Semester 2, 2019.
    This is a great achievement and you should be very proud!
    We hope you continue to enjoy success in your studies at USQ and I personally look forward to seeing your results for next semester.
    At 72, the old grey matter continues to function.

    Congrats TwoBob, I’m sure no other USQ students got exactly the same bog-standard format email.

  118. Helen

    Peter Schiff
    @PeterSchiff
    I just lost all the #Bitcoin I have ever owned.

    The Russians?

  119. Shy Ted

    Zanetti toons can be found here, on what used to be PickeringPost. Fine articles by Harry and Howell.

  120. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    What is it about the WA Libs and corruption?

    Any West Australian Cats help out? What was the name of the Labor member who resigned from Parliament, before being kicked out, for wearing medals he wasn’t entitled to?

  121. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Barry Urban, indeed.

  122. Tom

    Thanks, Shy Ted at 10.13am. I’ll put Pickering Post (now richardsonpost.com) back on the trawling list.

  123. Old School Conservative

    I just lost all the #Bitcoin I have ever owned

    I may have mentioned before my unease at the legitimate sites who take advertising from “”bitcoin riches” companies. Giving away “fast paced algorithms which beat the market all the time” for no cost – except the never mentioned $250 paid to a broker – are scam activities. Yet they are allowed to advertise for suckers on well regarded sites.
    Strange.

  124. 8th Dan

    How the Australian team got access is one thing. That they used the data to advantage their pilots was deliberate cheating and should have meant disqualification for the team.

  125. lotocoti

    Let he who didn’t do this in Basic cast the first stone.

  126. Old School Conservative

    And would you marry her?

    Yes, especially if she was well endowed. As in monetary assets. You’d be getting access to those assets even before Harry gets divorced.

  127. Tel

    I just lost all the #Bitcoin I have ever owned. My wallet got corrupted somehow and my password is no longer valid.

    This is the same guy who runs a bank … presumably operating on large paper ledger books and customers clutching their passbooks as they trot into the branch.

  128. Shy Ted

    lotocoti #3297405, posted on January 20, 2020 at 10:33 am
    Let he who didn’t do this in Basic cast the first stone.

    “Squad, turn…. right!”

  129. Mother Lode

    Thanks for that link, Tom.

    It used to annoy me that all the posters about domestic violence depicted Anglo males either musing that it was just a small push or such with such consistency that it looked like it was just an Anglo problem and across all social strata.

    I would expect that since some cultures have very different values with regards to family and violence (and God forbid we should require them to desist in cultural practices inimical to any Australian values) you would find a rich and bloody vein among those communities – but we must never hint at other cultures having flaws we find intolerable.

    Moreover, I would be surprised if the violence in the mainstream community is uniformly spread across strata.

    You would find it in the meaner, more improvident, less productive and more welfare dependent groupings where any pretense of gallantry, restraint or responsibility has long been lost in a directionless alcoholic and narcotic fog.

    But while the elites ignore the violence in more recent arrivals, the violence in low places like Anglo welfare enclaves is expanded to cover (and accuse) all whitey – so it amounts to taking the focus of the places of greatest concentration once again.

  130. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Let he who didn’t do this in Basic cast the first stone.

    Ek roll ap die vloor…

  131. 1735099

    Congrats TwoBob, I’m sure no other USQ students got exactly the same bog-standard format email.

    Thanks.
    Only those with a GPA of 6 or better.

  132. Zatara

    Almost half of all people killed by intimate partners are indigenous or overseas-born, which has prompted calls for a more targeted approach to tackling family ­violence.

    How about we start by targeting the ones doing the killing? Got any graphs on that?

  133. Bear Necessities

    USQ has lumped business in with Arts.

    I remember at UQ when you went to the Engineering toilets. On the toilet paper dispenser it had “Arts degree, please take one!”.

  134. struth

    It’s a blog. It’s not your life. Christ.

    Yep, good blurb.

    Mick from the Gold Coast was not having a go at Matrix and Arma and the others.
    He was agreeing with us.

    I stand by what I said last night and I actually hope Peter goes and gets help, as his carry on after Marilyn’s death has been sad to see and beneath him.
    We can’t all be on top of our game and I liked the fact that in the past he aggressively took me and others on regarding voting systems etc.
    It’s sad to see but we still needed, as men, to pull his head in……………………..he wasn’t doing it.
    I know he is old and I wish him peace and a heart full of Integrity and Honour as he leaves this world, not chasing harlots and degrading himself, and his dead wife’s memory.
    And I understand loneliness is a terrible thing, but it is no excuse.
    Peter was better than that, from what I knew, and passionate enough about Australia to get involved.
    I won’t be saying anymore, but if you are reading this, Peter, real friends don’t just smile at everything you do.
    Even if they are only characters on a blog.
    Some of us have been interacting for years and do build up relationships with characters which after a while you can tell are genuine.
    I know for a fact for example, that Helen is what she says, that KD lives in Darwin, we know who Top ender is and all about him, he’s a TV star after all.
    And we know who Peter is and much of his past.
    I’ve been honest about who I am, and we even know who numbers is, and townie cats do get together for Drinkies [we are jealous in the bush].

    Peter
    Get some help, you seem to have good boys [truckie] that are there for you.
    There is family it seems.
    And there is Pornhub.
    My professional diagnosis and cure is……………
    Run it through the knuckle first, then come here.

  135. Shy Ted

    ABC business report tells us Aussie shares will rise this week due to “decreased tensions in the US vs China trade war and Mexico and Canada have signed a free trade agreement”. I think they mean USMCA but “thou shalt not praise Trump” prevails.

  136. 8th Dan

    So you scored a 6

    “6 or better” gets a letter. So … maybe a 7.

    How’s the face?

  137. struth

    Anyway.
    Good Moaning.
    Mick from Gold coast’s observations regarding the site I can understand yet I share KD’s view.
    This site, with it’s lack of censorship is a shining jewel for all we stand for.
    Even though we can’t say b a l l s or Joooooooooooooo or Islum, or Moooossie, Jooolery, or even Sn igger.

  138. struth

    Anyway.
    Good Moaning.
    Mick from Gold coast’s observations regarding the site I can understand yet I share KD’s view.
    This site, with it’s lack of censorship is a shining jooowel for all we stand for.
    Even though we can’t say b a l l s or Joooooooooooooo or Islum, or Moooossie, Jooolery, or even Sn igger.

    I forgot Jooowel and got moderated posting this.
    What fun.

  139. 8th Dan

    France claim overall honours at FAI Women’s World Gliding Championships

    Fitting result after the Australians were penalized for cheating: 1. France 2. Great Britain 3. Italy

    Best Australian pilot was relegated from First to Fourth.

    Heads need to roll in the Australian camp.

  140. struth

    Gliding was taken over by Cricket Australia?

  141. Leigh Lowe

    Not sure why Spud bothers with Uni when he gets schooled here every day free of charge.

  142. Huck

    So is Sideshow Bob having his tuition paid for by us taxpayers (via HECS or HELP or whatever it’s called these days) with no prospect of the debt being repaid?

  143. struth

    So is Sideshow Bob having his tuition paid for by us taxpayers (via HECS or HELP or whatever it’s called these days) with no prospect of the debt being repaid?

    Without tax payer’s money he wouldn’t have a cent on him.
    Either way, he is entirely tax payer funded.

  144. Nelson Kidd-Players

    Well we do all owe him, Struth.

    He reminds us every day.

  145. Mitch M.

    From depression to dementia, inflammation is medicine’s new frontier

    The barrier between mind and body appears to be crumbling. Clinical practice and public perception need to catch up

    It’s about time the author caught up because a friend of mine 40 years ago noticed the linkage in his patients. The barrier was dismissed at the turn of the century.

    Inflammation in psychiatric conditions is extremely complicated. There are chicken and egg issues, there are different modes of inflammation being mediated, and it is not always present. Heightened inflammation in the brain can precede a psychotic outbreak, in ASD inflammation appears to be intrinsic and very difficult to address, in depression as a study from Adelaide revealed it is not present all the time and inflammation is also present in anxiety. However none of that really offers any insight into the origins of inflammation and how to treat the conditions. With the exception of ASD I’m inclined to think it is downstream in the causal pathway but with a potentially positive feedback loop.

    One experiment that scientists have designed to tackle these questions is to do two functional MRI brain scans, one before and one after an inflammatory response has been deliberately provoked by the injection of typhoid vaccine. If there’s a difference in the two scans, that shows that bodily inflammation can cause changes in the way the brain works; if not, that would be a problem for the theory that inflammation can cause depression.

    Pointless and expensive experiment. Again with the pretty lights. Has he ever heard of sickness behavior? An injection of LPS and subsequent cognitive tests long ago addressed that question.

    Want to improve your mental health and reduce inflammation: go for a run in the sun.

  146. Shy Ted

    8th Dan #3297419, posted on January 20, 2020 at 11:00 am
    So you scored a 6 “6 or better” gets a letter. So … maybe a 7.
    How’s the face?

    8th grade, do you not think that if it was a 7 we would have ever heard the end of it? When I was at school 85% was a fail and 75% got you held back. And just how do you score a Pizza Hut Delivery thesis on Vietnam war literature?

  147. Roger

    The barrier between mind and body appears to be crumbling. Clinical practice and public perception need to catch up

    It’s about time the author caught up…

    At least he’s aware of the new paradigm.

    Old dogmas die harder for others, including the government-medical complex.

    It would be interesting to know what current medical students are taught re psyche & soma.

  148. Fisky

    Bitcoin should be investigated and shut down by ASIC for being essentially a fraudulent investment, if it is possible to lose your entire holdings due to a bug or password glitch. So much for property rights!

  149. Eyrie

    8th Dan, I agree, disqualification is appropriate.
    Then it gets even more interesting. I heard rumours of the existence of this cheating system going as far back as early 2014. I know it was used by the Australians at a World Championship in Europe about 18 months ago from the guy at that contest who rejected it.
    Here’s another little data point: the Team Captain at that contest and in Europe (same guy) is the Executive Officer of the Gliding Federation or Gliding Australia or whatever the pretentious bunch of wankers call it nowadays. He also got an AM last year for “services to gliding”. Nice, eh?

  150. Mitch M.

    At least he’s aware of the new paradigm.

    It’s not new. When my nephew did the required stint in a psyche facility for his medical degree his conclusion was, “not much science there”. True and may remain true for many decades yet. The imperative with understanding mental health issues, especially for a professor, is to be constantly on top of the literature. That’s his job.

  151. Roger

    It’s not new.

    It’s relatively new, considering how long the psyche-soma split thesis has reigned in Western culture and still does in some quarters.

  152. mh

    Peter
    Get some help, you seem to have good boys [truckie] that are there for you.
    There is family it seems.
    And there is Pornhub.

    Yes. If you are living alone take full advantage. I would be.

  153. dover_beach

    At least he’s aware of the new paradigm.

    Old dogmas die harder for others, including the government-medical complex.

    It would be interesting to know what current medical students are taught re psyche & soma.

    Indeed. I think we might find that the remnants of the old dogma (Cartesian dualism) will persist with psyche diminished. One of the things that continues to impress me is how much our contemporary misunderstandings go back to the early modern period and its departures from Aristotelianism.

  154. Roger

    One of the things that continues to impress me is how much our contemporary misunderstandings go back to the early modern period and its departures from Aristotelianism.

    In which the soul animates the body.

    In that sense I’m an Aristotelian too.

    But in the realm of science that is a heresy

    🙂

  155. Top Ender

    Leader of the Opposition in the NT – Garry Higgins – has just resigned.

    Will cause some interesting consequences.

    The CLP only have two seats. The NT election is in August. Will therefore be a by-election.

    If the CLP lost the seat, and the new North Australia Party – formed by Terry Mills, the ousted CLP leader, wins it – they will have two seats in the 25-seat Assembly, and could claim Opposition status.

    There is also another by-election coming up shortly in the seat of Johnston, due to booted Labor member Ken Vowles resigning some weeks ago.

    Then again, the CLP could win both, which would increase their numbers to three. Looks like deputy Opposition leader Lia Finocchiaro will be leader by default.

  156. Top Ender

    Nope, just heard – Higgins is not stepping down from Parliament, just as Leader.

  157. Arky

    Winston Smith
    #3297366, posted on January 20, 2020 at 9:28 am
    Just passing, thought I’d see if the angst level had receded.

    ..
    Nope.
    Joint has been taken over by vicious armadildos.
    You fled at a good time.

  158. Arky

    Gliding

    ..
    Bicycling of the air.
    Not surprised it is run by wankers.

  159. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    It’s a blog. It’s not your life. Christ.
    Yep, good blurb.

    The blog’s for information, political affirmation and fun and quips and digs and disputes.
    Always has been and still continues to be so. Ellie should come back in. She’s a natural original.

    MV is her friend. Nothing wrong with having an Old Fossil as a friend. Come back soon, Peter.

    It’s worth noting that Ellie has said here a few times that she was going through a bad time re her mother’s death and no-one was unsympathetic about that. I have encouraged Ellie in lots to ways to be here (in earlier private emails too) and although I did snip at her once her online, it was because she trod on a very tender toe by saying I was everything that Johanna says I am. No-one who knows me thinks that. I have apologized to Ellie for my one critique, although it was made with a sense that Ellie was a little unstable emotionally at that time, and I wanted her to realise that; but it came out all wrong because I too was emotionally defensive. I can be a sensitive flower too sometimes; comes with the female territory.

    The truth is that just as people here know Helen, Top Ender etc IRL, so people also know me and Cassie and know that we too are truthful about ourselves; we are who we say we are, and mostly kindly inclined. Ellie was invited to have a drink with us but always cried off for one reason or another. As far as I’m concerned, I would like to have a private (not for online) coffee sometime alone with Ellie and perhaps I could cheer her up. I am sure we are not too unalike. She has my email, as I’ve said before here and she should not get too het up over what is just a blog, after all. Perhaps just waltz right back in. With a toon for us all.

    It’s a blog, not a life. But it can get to you sometimes, and best to withdraw for a while when it does. Lots of people do come in and out in a sort of revolving door. I’m doing a bit of revolving myself lately, not really keeping up so much here, as I am trying to get a lot of other things done with Hairy, my life’s love, who always comes first, and also with King Arthur, who is a bit of a pest lately. I have been stuck on writing up the Arthurian references in the Lives of the Saints, thinking it was all dull stuff, when suddenly, in the eleventh century Life of Cadoc, I saw something very interesting when I decided to look at the original and not rely on secondary sources. And I’m off again, proving this too shows I am right. Arthur for years has been my part-time ‘hobby’ not my end result (there will be a book one day most likely but even if not, it keeps me off da blog).

    Reading is a great way to get off da blog too. I have just started Scott Fitzgerald’s ‘Tender is the Night’. I haven’t read much of his stuff, and I picked this book up after reading some very dun prose. The first few paragraphs are beautiful. Here is a writer, I thought, doing it well.

  160. Arky

    And there is Pornhub.

    ..
    If I wanted to see naked people making fools of themselves I wouldn’t stay home on New Years Eve.

  161. Arky

    It’s worth noting that Ellie has said here a few times that she was going through a bad time re her mother’s death and no-one was unsympathetic about that. I have encouraged Ellie in lots to ways to be here (in earlier private emails too) and although I did snip at her once her online, it was because she trod on a very tender toe by saying I was everything that Johanna says I am. No-one who knows me thinks that. I have apologized to Ellie for my one critique, although it was made with a sense that Ellie was a little unstable emotionally at that time, and I wanted her to realise that; but it came out all wrong because I too was emotionally defensive. I can be a sensitive flower too sometimes; comes with the female territory.

    ..
    Oh sorry.
    I have stumbled into the girl’s change rooms by mistake.
    Sorry. Sorry. Sorry.

  162. duncanm

    Good to see Morrison issue a slap-down on Kean.

  163. Johno

    Canberra getting smashed at present. Daughter stranded on Belconnen Way. All traffic stopped due to hail. Hail the size of golf balls.Could be a double whammy for insurance companies. BOM said, no rain till April.

  164. Eyrie

    “Gliding

    ..
    Bicycling of the air.
    Not surprised it is run by wankers.”

    Unfortunately true. The worst part is that they have been given the powers of the State and if you fall out with them they can prevent you from going gliding in Australia.

  165. mh

    Peter would most likely appreciate live webcams.

    But I’m sure he is already across all that stuff. The old goat was very knowledgeable of sexbot technology.

  166. duncanm

    NZ greens go gaga over David Seymour stating the obvious: “(greens are a) menace to freedom”

    Adam Bandt says our PM is a threat to life.

    crickets

  167. struth

    Sometimes it’s unfortunate in this day and age that women are often around when men have to sort each other out.

  168. The Barking Toad

    A lot of Flannery’s dropping at Canberra atm – and ice ones too.

    Wish we had a Desal Plant

  169. Geriatric Mayfly

    Has Dick Head Dan cottoned on to these ‘constraint payments’ yet? Appease the windfarm investors but not the consumer has been his approach.

    A study conducted in December by the Renewable Energy Foundation (REF) found that the UK handed out a record high £136 million to 86 wind farm owners last year in “constraint payments” when the grid was incapable of handling the energy flow. “The Scottish Government has permitted excessive and environmentally damaging growth in wind power north of the border which has put the electricity system under great strain and burdened English and Welsh consumers not only with constraint payments but also with the additional expense of a £1 billion interconnector that is itself proving unreliable. The unpredictable nature of wind electricity, known as intermittency, has plagued the industry. When there is not enough wind, the turbines produce little to no power and when there are high levels of wind, the output places strain on electrical grid systems as there is currently no viable storage system for the energy.

  170. dover_beach

    But in the realm of science that is a heresy

    And yet, as Ross writes in his lecture, Aristotle’s Revenge, science is unwittingly reviving Aristotelian concepts.

  171. Mark A

    Eyrie
    #3297471, posted on January 20, 2020 at 12:47 pm

    “Gliding
    ..
    Bicycling of the air.
    Not surprised it is run by wankers.”

    Unfortunately true. The worst part is that they have been given the powers of the State and if you fall out with them they can prevent you from going gliding in Australia.

    How?
    Worst come to worst, there is always powered gliders.
    Maybe you can’t compete any more but if you get a tow surely they can’t prevent you taking off, unless on a private airfield.
    Not familiar with the gliding rules I point out.

  172. feelthebern

    Stacey Dash is 53 today.
    Wow.
    Just wow.

  173. feelthebern

    It’s Epstein’s birthday today too.

  174. Roger

    Adam Bandt says our PM is a threat to life.

    It’s not just Bandt; the Stefanovic creature seems to want to lumber the fires, the dust storms and now the floods on Morrison’s shoulders.

    Apparently he knows more than the chief scientist.

  175. Roger

    And yet, as Ross writes in his lecture, Aristotle’s Revenge, science is unwittingly reviving Aristotelian concepts.

    Bookmarked for future reading, dover.

  176. feelthebern

    It’s 2020.
    My feelings have as much credibility your facts.

  177. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    the Stefanovic creature

    A braindead FTA commercial television breakfast show host.

    Quite possibly the most useless species of individuals to have existed in human history.

  178. Dr Faustus

    muh b*lls
    Prince Harry delivers stunning speech on Megxit at charity dinner

    The “stunning” bit:

    “The decision that I have made for my wife and I to step back, is not one I made lightly. It was so many months of talks after so many years of challenges.

    Our hope was to continue serving the Queen, the commonwealth, and my military associations, but without public funding. Unfortunately, this wasn’t possible,” he explained.

    Not sure who he spent “so many months” talking to to reach that genius objective – because it certainly didn’t include his Nan.

    With strategic skills like them there, he must have been a panic to serve with in the military.

  179. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Oh sorry.
    I have stumbled into the girl’s change rooms by mistake.
    Sorry. Sorry. Sorry.

    S’ok, Arky. Just say you’re a lady with a penis.

    Modern times.

  180. feelthebern

    Harry is the most pussy whipped chap in a generation.
    The sooner he splits with this fraud the better.
    It’s tragic to see a man act like this.

  181. Johno

    Markle has surely had surgery on that face,it is fixed in a smile.

  182. struth

    “We’ll all be rooned,” said Hanrahan
    In accents most forlorn
    Outside the church ere Mass began
    One frosty Sunday morn.
    The congregation stood about,
    Coat-collars to the ears,
    And talked of stock and crops and drought
    As it had done for years.

    “It’s lookin’ crook,” said Daniel Croke;
    “Bedad, it’s cruke, me lad
    For never since the banks went broke
    Has seasons been so bad.”

    “It’s dry, all right,” said young O’Neil,
    With which astute remark
    He squatted down upon his heel
    And chewed a piece of bark.

    And so around the chorus ran
    “It’s keepin’ dry, no doubt.”
    “We’ll all be rooned,” said Hanrahan,
    “Before the year is out.

    “The crops are done; ye’ll have your work
    To save one bag of grain;
    From here way out to Back-O’-Bourke
    They’re singin’ out for rain.

    “They’re singin’ out for rain,” he said,
    “And all the tanks are dry.”
    The congregation scratched its head,
    And gazed around the sky.

    “There won’t be grass, in any case,
    Enough to feed an ass;
    There’s not a blade on Casey’s place
    As I came down to Mass.”

    “If rain don’t come this month,” said Dan,
    And cleared his throat to speak –
    “We’ll all be rooned,” said Hanrahan, ”
    If rain don’t come this week.”

    A heavy silence seemed to steal
    On all at this remark;
    And each man squatted on his heel,
    And chewed a piece of bark.

    “We want an inch of rain, we do,”
    O’Neil observed at last;
    But Croke “maintained” we wanted two
    To put the danger past.
    “If we don’t get three inches, man,
    Or four to break this drought,
    We’ll all be rooned,” said Hanrahan,
    “Before the year is out.”
    In God’s good time down came the rain;
    And all the afternoon
    On iron roof and window-pane
    It drummed a homely tune.

    And through the night it pattered still,
    And lightsome, gladsome elves
    On dripping spout and window-sill
    Kept talking to themselves.

    It pelted, pelted all day long,
    A-singing at its work,
    Till every heart took up the song
    Way out to Back-O’-Bourke.

    And every creek a banker ran,
    And dams filled overtop;
    “We’ll all be rooned,” said Hanrahan,
    “If this rain doesn’t stop.”

    And stop it did, in God’s good time:
    And spring came in to fold
    A mantle o’er the hills sublime
    Of green and pink and gold.

    And days went by on dancing feet,
    With harvest-hopes immense,
    And laughing eyes beheld the wheat
    Nid-nodding o’er the fence.

    And, oh, the smiles on every face,
    As happy lad and lass
    Through grass knee-deep on Casey’s place
    Went riding down to Mass.

    While round the church in clothes genteel
    Discoursed the men of mark,
    And each man squatted on his heel,
    And chewed his piece of bark.

    “There’ll be bush-fires for sure, me man,
    There will, without a doubt;
    We’ll all be rooned,” said Hanrahan,
    “Before the year is out.”

  183. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    I have stumbled into the girl’s change rooms by mistake.
    Sorry. Sorry. Sorry.

    S’ok, Arks. Just say you’re looking for a sandwich.

  184. Eyrie

    mark A,

    GFA and CASA, with influence from CASA employees who are members, has progressively changed the rules until even to fly a motorglider from a private strip you need to be a member of GFA, a State Gliding Association and a Gliding Club even though you may have a PPL and logbook sign off that say you can fly gliders/motorgliders.
    Currently CASA is trying to rigidly cement this in place with their Part 149 regulation.

  185. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    With strategic skills like them there, he must have been a panic to serve with in the military.

    What action could the military take against the Commander in Chief’s grandson, if he made a stuff up?

  186. Eyrie

    I should mention that in 1983-84 there were around 4500+ members and now there are around 2300 and falling despite a 60% population increase in Australia since then.
    A Vice President of the organisation told me recently that 58% of members were over 65.
    This isn’t an organisation with much of a future.

  187. Lysander

    Any West Australian Cats help out? What was the name of the Labor member who resigned from Parliament, before being kicked out, for wearing medals he wasn’t entitled to?

    Barry Urban.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Urban

  188. struth

    Was Hanrahan a Climate alarmist?

  189. mh

    Chris O’Neill-Yates
    @oneillyatescbc
    Newfoundlanders are nothing if not ingenious ⁦
    @NatashaFatah
    ⁩ — We need two things to live here: survival skills and a sense of humour! This has both. Thanks Allan Horwood!! #Snowmageddon2020 #nlwx
    @cbcnews
    @cbcnl
    #blizzard2020

    https://twitter.com/oneillyatescbc/status/1218566941926924290?s=20

  190. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Our hope was to continue serving the Queen, the commonwealth, and my military associations, but without public funding. Unfortunately, this wasn’t possible,” he explained.

    In other words, we lost.

    They wanted to fund their ‘woke’ activities on the Royal dime by using their Royal Highness names to create a very ‘woke’ foundation. Now they are just a cut-loose Yankee Dook and Dutchers. On a par with Fergie and Andrew. Or Diana. No HRH anymore (is Andrew no longer HRH or is he like the Dook of Windsor and only his wife is stripped of that honor?). Her Maj has definitely cut the HRH on Harry, so maybe he’s come out worst of all of the disestablished bloodline males?

    There is precedence for not being part of The Firm and having to rely on being ersatz.

  191. BrettW

    The same guy who set an example on climate change by having his wedding overseas. No doubt he contacted Elton to arrange to buy carbon credits.

    “the Stefanovic creature seems to want to lumber the fires, the dust storms and now the floods on Morrison’s shoulders”

  192. shatterzzz

    So is Sideshow Bob having his tuition paid for by us taxpayers (via HECS or HELP or whatever it’s called these days) with no prospect of the debt being repaid?

    Can’t be a freebie! I’m an OAP and wanted to do some computer studies at either TAFE or uni. CentreLink said NO you can only claim if it is to help you further your employment/get a job .. no money for amusement/hobbies!

  193. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Is little Archie going to be an HRH Prince when he grows up? Will he be given the choice?
    Andrew and Fergies’ two girls are still HRH Princesses aren’t they?

  194. Roger

    Harry is the most pussy whipped chap in a generation.

    Street art in LA.

  195. Delta A

    Love it, Struth. An old favourite.

    And in a similar vein:

    It was in the Queensland drought;
    And over hill and dell,
    No grass – the water far apart,
    All dry and hot as hell.
    The wretched bullock teams drew up
    Beside a water-hole –
    They’d struggled on through dust and drought
    For days to reach this goal.
    And though the water rendered forth
    A rank, unholy stench,
    The bullocks and the bullockies
    Drank deep their thirst to quench.

    Two of the drivers cursed and swore
    As only drivers can.
    The other one, named Daniel,
    Best known as Holy Dan,
    Admonished them and said it was
    The Lord’s all-wise decree;
    And if they’d only watch and wait,
    A change they’d quickly see.

    ’Twas strange that of Dan’s bullocks
    Not one had gone aloft,
    But this, he said, was due to prayer
    And supplication oft.
    At last one died but Dan was calm,
    He hardly seemed to care;
    He knelt beside the bullock’s corpse
    And offered up a prayer.

    “One bullock Thou has taken, Lord,
    And so it seemeth best.
    Thy will be done, but see my need
    And spare to me the rest!”

    A month went by. Dan’s bullocks now
    Were dying every day,
    But still on each occasion would
    The faithful fellow pray,
    “Another Thou has taken, Lord,
    And so it seemeth best.
    Thy will be done, but see my need,
    And spare to me the rest!”

    And still they camped beside the hole,
    And still it never rained,
    And still Dan’s bullocks died and died,
    Till only one remained.
    Then Dan broke down – good Holy Dan –
    The man who never swore.
    He knelt beside the latest corpse,
    And here’s the prayer he prore.

    “That’s nineteen Thou has taken, Lord,
    And now You’ll plainly see
    You’d better take the bloody lot,
    One’s no damn good to me.”
    The other riders laughed so much
    They shook the sky around;
    The lightning flashed, the thunder roared,
    And Holy Dan was drowned.

  196. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    to help you further your employment/get a job

    Wymynses Studies and Queer Thought still on the freebie agenda though?

    Not any more in Hungary though. Orban has knocked them on the funding head there as not useful.

  197. Mother Lode

    Harry is the most pussy whipped chap in a generation.

    I saw this bit:

    “The decision that I have made for my wife and I to step back, is not one I made lightly. It was so many months of talks after so many years of challenges.”

    It was a prepared speech, wasn’t it? Not just speaking off the cuff. He made the decision for her?

    Either he went home and got a clip about his ears, or it was her idea to take some of the heat off her as the idiot author of this whole affair.

    Now that he is being let go from the firm he is the proverbial red-headed stepchild – and regular beating ordained by tradition and custom.

  198. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Urban

    Thanks for that – last heard of having tea and bikkies with the Western Australian major fraud squad.

    What is it about Western Australian Labor politicians and corruption?

  199. areff

    Just tossed out a tube of sausage meat that lingered too long in the fridge and would have made very dubious rissoles. Indian mynahs vs. seagulls outside the office window. The latter, though outnumbered and divided in their own ranks, convincingly in command of the battlefield.

  200. Roger

    Is little Archie going to be an HRH Prince when he grows up?

    No; too far removed from the throne in succession terms.

    His parents were given the option of a dukedom or lordship but turned it down.

  201. Mark A

    Eyrie
    #3297495, posted on January 20, 2020 at 1:18 pm

    mark A,

    GFA and CASA, with influence from CASA employees who are members, has progressively changed the rules until even to fly a motorglider from a private strip you need to be a member of GFA, a State Gliding Association and a Gliding Club even though you may have a PPL and logbook sign off that say you can fly gliders/motorgliders.
    Currently CASA is trying to rigidly cement this in place with their Part 149 regulation.

    Thanks for that, as I said I am not savvy to those regs, but it stinks.
    What if I never turn off the engine of my motor glider?

    If they get this to be a binding rule-reg. then someone should challenge it in court.
    I wonder what reasoning the GFA provided?

    Sometimes I am glad I no longer live in OZ permanent like.
    The place is getting worse than mother Russia in Stalin’s time.

  202. Cassie of Sydney

    “Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
    #3297462, posted on January 20, 2020 at 12:42 pm

    Nicely said from Lizzie….and I would expect no less. I am lucky to count Lizzie as a friend….she is one classy woman. However the only thing I disagree with Lizzie is this line…..”Come back soon, Peter.”

    Peter/MV/Fossil clearly needs help…his behavior last night and early this morning was atrocious. His vitriol directed towards Lizzie, myself, Struth, IT, Matrix, Armadillo and so on was adolescent. You could hear him blubbering a mile off. And Helen was right in her very accurate and pointed post this morning…his personal revelations about Ellie were appalling…a total breach of confidentiality…I was aghast when I read them late last night. I would like Ellie to come back….although I doubt she will…but if she does she will be warmly welcomed. And re. that night two weeks ago when IT made that rather “off” remark to Ellie….she should have returned serve….I know I would have and I know Lizzie would have. And something else…over the many years I have been lurking and commenting here…I have seen much worse abuse directed towards Lizzie, Candy, None…before she was smote…and others. And another thing….Ellie was NO saint here…no one is. I also clearly recall IT apologising to Ellie the next day. But as far as Peter is concerned….facts don’t matter…..it is just his feelings….how very “progressive”. But all we have seen from MV over the last two weeks is him engaging in immature rancour, bitter recriminations and endless sobbing, weeping and wailing about his lovely “Ellie” and all those horrible, mean and nasty people (meaning me, Lizzie, Struth, Armadillo, Matrix) who drove her away. Well actually….the only person that keeps Ellie away from here is Ellie.

    And as for this open forum…well it is the wild west at times and it does take a particularly strong type of personality to survive here. We all regularly engage in stoushing and vehement disagreements…but most of here agree with each other on the basics…apart from the ghastly trolls.

    I don’t wish Peter any harm…in fact I wish him well….but I will not turn the other cheek to his baseless blame game for his lovely lady going AWOL I will return serve.

  203. Mark A

    Wymynses Studies

    Honestly, what sort of a useful job would it lead to?
    Mind you a lot of unnecessary useless jobs already around but still.

  204. Infidel Tiger

    Harry sporting a beard and not wearing a tie. No wonder his Army comrades have turned on this foolish spiv.

    In a better age he would have been shot for this.

  205. 1735099

    It’s not just Bandt; the Stefanovic creature seems to want to lumber the fires, the dust storms and now the floods on Morrison’s shoulders.

    Apparently he knows more than the chief scientist.

    From the Chief Scientist’s media release

    The scientific evidence base shows that as the world warms due to human induced climate change, we experience an increase in the frequency and severity of extreme weather events.

    Stefanovic has been saying something similar, except that he is blaming Morrison.
    That’s patently unfair.
    There’s a long list of troglodytes who bear responsibility for the shambles that is the Coalition’s climate policy.

  206. Leigh Lowe

    “The decision that I have made for my wife and I to step back, is not one I made lightly. It was so many months of talks after so many years of challenges.
    Our hope was to continue serving the Queen, the commonwealth, and my military associations, but without public funding. Unfortunately, this wasn’t possible,” he explained.

    Betty 2.0 was too smart for the “step back” line.
    That is, keep the royal titles for trading purposes, attend Wimbledon and the BAFTAs, and live the high life in the US on Duchy of Cornwall dough.
    To commemorate the occasion, I understand Harry is introducing a new disabled category to the Invictus Games … blokes who have lost their balls without firing a shot.

  207. Leigh Lowe

    “The decision that I have made for my wife and I to step back, is not one I made lightly. It was so many months of talks after so many years of challenges.
    Our hope was to continue serving the Queen, the commonwealth, and my military associations, but without public funding. Unfortunately, this wasn’t possible,” he explained.

    Betty 2.0 was too smart for the “step back” line.
    That is, keep the royal titles for trading purposes, attend Wimbledon and the BAFTAs, and live the high life in the US on Duchy of Cornwall dough.
    To commemorate the occasion, I understand Harry is introducing a new disabled category to the Invictus Games … blokes who have lost their [email protected] without firing a shot.

  208. Top Ender

    Barry Urban now has his own page on Australian and New Zealand Military Imposters…a dubious fame.

    Page says he is still under investigation for various claims he made.

  209. Mitch M.

    It’s not new.

    It’s relatively new, considering how long the psyche-soma split thesis has reigned in Western culture and still does in some quarters.

    For a scientist it is absurd to think that the split exists. For dualists it is absurd to think the split exists because it is perfectly evident without the need for experimentation that when we are sick we are cognitively impaired and behaviorally altered. That’s a direct personal experience, no RCT or pretty lights required. What happened in psychiatry is that they were taught about the blood brain barrier in medical school and never bothered to challenge that concept later in life. Big bad mistake but in their defense until former playboy bunny Mattzinger and Laneway developed a new understanding of immunology that enlarged and addressed the many problems of the self-nonself model developed by Aussie McFarlane-Burnet and others there was no conceptual edifice through which to understand the bloody obvious.

  210. Huck

    Who’s funding your degree Bob?

  211. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Our hope was to continue serving the Queen, the commonwealth, and my military associations, but without public funding. Unfortunately, this wasn’t possible,” he explained.

    believe in something
    even if it means sacrificing everything
    Sussex Ex-Royal,

  212. old bloke

    We come across some strange things from time to time. I was reading this morning that Anni-Frid Lyngstad (better known as Frida in pop group Abba, now Princess Anni-Frid Synni of Reuss, Countess of Plauen,) was a Lebensborn child. She was born in Norway to a Norwegian mother and a German father, the Lebensborn program was started by the SS to produce “racially pure Aryan” children.

  213. Leigh Lowe

    Infidel Tiger
    #3297517, posted on January 20, 2020 at 1:37 pm
    Harry sporting a beard and not wearing a tie. No wonder his Army comrades have turned on this foolish spiv.
    In a better age he would have been shot for this.

    Apparently he was (until yesterday) ceremonial head of the Royal Marines.
    Hasn’t been near them since The Duchess of Suss arrived on the scene.

  214. Top Ender

    Breaking news from the Oz:

    Tasmania’s new Premier will be its Treasurer of the past six years, Peter Gutwein.

    Mr Gutwein’s rival for the Liberal leadership, State Growth Minister Michael Ferguson, pulled out of the contest just minutes before it was to be decided by a vote of the Parliamentary Liberal Party.

    The 55-year-old Mr Gutwein will become Tasmania’s 46th premier, following the resignation of Will Hodgman halfway through his second term.

    As Treasurer, Mr Gutwein has presided over a period of sustained economic recovery in Tasmania and he and new deputy premier designate, Jeremey Rockliff, are the longest serving MPs currently sitting in the House of Assembly, having been elected in July 2002.

  215. The Barking Toad

    The ginger son of the groomsman and the skank.

    Betty sorted them out.

  216. Tom

    “That’s nineteen Thou has taken, Lord,
    And now You’ll plainly see
    You’d better take the bloody lot,
    One’s no damn good to me.”
    The other riders laughed so much
    They shook the sky around;
    The lightning flashed, the thunder roared,
    And Holy Dan was drowned.

    Thank you, Delta — that’s a corker.

    They don’t make poets like that any more — he didn’t even want the credit. His signoff was apparently “Anonymous Oceania”.

  217. Top Ender

    RAF plans £100m fighter jet that can fly at more than 4,000mph and be controlled by virtual reality helmet

    The Tempest stealth aircraft is being designed to replace long-serving Typhoon
    The hypersonic £100million aircraft will be able to fly at more than Mach 5
    The aircraft will be able to fly unmanned and feature high-tech weaponry

    Will believe that sort of speed when I see it. Daily Mail

  218. JC

    And now for something far more serious

    This is no “cock-and-bull story” — in the figurative sense, at least.

    A man in Mexico was hospitalized with an erection that lasted three days after taking a sexual stimulant “used for breeding bulls,” La Republica reports.

    The unnamed individual underwent emergency surgery at Specialist Hospital 270 in the US-Mexico border city of Reynosa. The Peruvian outlet reports that the man took the drugs with the intention of having a “successful sexual encounter with a young woman of 30 years.”

    According to the hospital, the man had purchased the pills in Veracruz, Mexico, where farmers used the pills to encourage mating between their cattle.

  219. Mitch M.

    Top Ender
    #3297533, posted on January 20, 2020 at 2:12 pm
    RAF plans £100m fighter jet that can fly at more than 4,000mph and be controlled by virtual reality helmet

    The Tempest stealth aircraft is being designed to replace long-serving Typhoon
    The hypersonic £100million aircraft will be able to fly at more than Mach 5
    The aircraft will be able to fly unmanned and feature high-tech weaponry

    Will believe that sort of speed when I see it. Daily Mail

    But can it do the cobra maneuver at 4,000 mph? 😉

  220. feelthebern

    and not wearing a tie.

    Last time I wore a tie was in family court in 2018.

  221. feelthebern

    Tie’s are so last century.

  222. feelthebern

    Ties are so last century.

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