Open Forum: January 25, 2020

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  1. Steve trickler

    Filthy journos.



    Back to bed.

  2. Knuckle Dragger

    Haaaa.

    US politics on the teev. Footage of Warren having a rally, flags, placards and whatnot, partially on the platform of wiping out all college debts.

    Then it’s time to meet the public. Bloke fronts her and says ‘I paid all my daughter’s college debt. I worked extra, saved etc etc etc. She hasn’t got any debt now. If you get elected, will I get my money back?’

    She replies, with a big old grin, ‘Of course not.’

    Bloke then says (paraphrasing): So all the people who didn’t save are going to get ahead, and the people who did the right thing get screwed, right?

    Big grin, slightly fading. Cut to next shot.

  3. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Brian Adcock and Steve Bright both pick up on the Chinese epidemic; Adcock is particularly good in suggesting its likely effects as Captain Boris Nelson sails the antique full-masted Britain past the sinking EU Titanic and into a Chinese landmine.

    A little depressing tho’ Britain has seen worse. Meanwhile, the Americans are having fun with TDS.

  4. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Back to bed.

    Me too.

    Want to go buy some US dollars today for our upcoming trip. Might be good to do it now.

  5. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Apparently the UK Health head shed is asking – not telling – Chinee punters who’ve just got back from Wuhan to ‘self-isolate’.
    Oh, well done sir. That’ll work a treat.

    At least they are doing that. Last I heard we are just saying ‘have a nice day and enjoy your visit’.

  6. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Thanks for the toons, Tom. The funny ones are nice to go back to bed on.
    And especially, thanks Mark A for the postcards; remnants of a more innocent time. Lovely.

  7. Zatara

    Not doom-saying here but thought it worth hearing what some worst-case options might be.

    Scientist who simulated the global impact of a coronavirus outbreak says ‘ the cat’s already out of the bag’ and calls China’s efforts to contain the disease ‘unlikely to be effective’

    Toner, an M.D. and researcher at the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security, took part in a simulation, undertaken in partnership with the World Economic Forum and the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, that posited such a disease could kill 65 million people within 18 months under the right circumstances.

    To put things into further perspective, the most virulent pandemic, the 1918 influenza, also known as the Spanish flu, killed an estimated 20 million to 50 million people.

    One report estimates that a pandemic could cause an average annual economic loss of 0.7% of global GDP — or $570 billion.

  8. hzhousewife

    What exactly is the treatment for this flu? There must be something as all the people flock to hospital hoping to get treated.

  9. Caveman

    Likelihood of recession, this would impact the x,y ,zeds and millennials.
    This might help them #goawayrecessionwedontwantyoueverandyourracist

  10. calli

    Just saw this.

    A nice change from all the doom and gloom.

  11. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    What exactly is the treatment for this flu? There must be something as all the people flock to hospital hoping to get treated.

    severe cases need ICU, otherwise nothing

  12. PeterM

    Is anyone else having trouble with Tom’s third link (to the anti-business daily)?

    Thanks for the rest though Tom!

  13. Mother Lode

    Then it’s time to meet the public. Bloke fronts her and says ‘I paid all my daughter’s college debt. I worked extra, saved etc etc etc. She hasn’t got any debt now. If you get elected, will I get my money back?’

    She replies, with a big old grin, ‘Of course not.’

    Bloke then says (paraphrasing): So all the people who didn’t save are going to get ahead, and the people who did the right thing get screwed, right?

    He will also be paying taxes to pay for other people’s debts.

  14. Mother Lode

    Is anyone else having trouble with Tom’s third link (to the anti-business daily)?

    Rowe has absolutely nailed ‘it’ in that one.

    I don’t think I have ever seen him do better.

  15. calli

    The expanses of pink, flabby flesh and homoerotic overtones broke the link.

    Even the inSincerator has standards.

  16. Mother Lode

    Is anyone else having trouble with Tom’s third link (to the anti-business daily)?

    Just imagine ScoMo standing near a barrel with ‘PORK’ written on it, a few flying pigs, and in the background a human form with red swimmers – because it is always time to mock those contemptible someones who just spent the fire season fighting bushfires and on weekends go to the beach ready to risk their life to save others.

  17. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    wuhan woman unleashes on the government

    “You have promised us prosperity by 2020
    What we’ve got is the loss of our families!
    You are living the high life while we are dying!”

  18. Steve trickler

    The Ballet of the Toyota Corolla.

    Lynchy in the [email protected]:28



  19. mh

    “You have promised us prosperity by 2020
    What we’ve got is the loss of our families!
    You are living the high life while we are dying!”

    The Chinese century.

  20. Top Ender

    Go woke go broke

    Hoteliers and resort owners working in the shadow of Uluru have been hit by a tourism industry downturn, with prices being slashed by as much as 40 per cent.

    Further south, tourism executives are experiencing the “worst summer on record”, with bushfires having cost the nation $2bn and fears the industry could take a $4.5bn hit.

    The indigenous-owned Voyages, which operates five hotels and resorts, plus a 440-site camping ground, at Uluru, launched a cut-price promotion over the weekend.

    Filling hotel beds at this time of year is always tough given the ­extreme summer heat, but the ­resorts are also suffering from a lack of tourists due to the closure of the Uluru climb in October.

    Some estimate accommodation bookings are down as much as 10 per cent compared with the same time last year.

    Oz

  21. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    FMD [google translate] Published on 02/23/2017 at 13:09 | AFP

    The Wuhan P4, the fruit of close Franco-Chinese cooperation, is of the same model as that of Inserm in Lyon, considered to be one of the best in the world.

    Beijing will issue an administrative start-up authorization in the coming weeks, which will pave the way for gradual entry into service.

    China, which has already planned a second P4, is considered particularly vulnerable by epidemiologists. SARS (atypical pneumonia) and avian viruses H5N1 and H7N9 have appeared there in recent years.

    Wuhan’s P4 “will greatly enhance China’s ability to conduct cutting-edge research and respond effectively to the emergence of infectious diseases that threaten people around the world,” said Cazeneuve.

  22. Mother Lode

    If only we’d thought of burning in cooler months.

    Look at it from a politicians point of view:

    1) Considering how volatile political life is there is simply no justification in fuel reduction burns that your political rivals or enemies will benefit from.

    2) There are no photo ops standing in front of bushland that hasn’t burned (due to effective management). A person who runs their portfolio smoothly and competently garners no headlines and is invisible, while someone who is forever ‘taking decisive action’ with disaster but a hair’s breadth away is a bloody hero.

    3) There is absolutely no way of knowing what cuddly animals might need because they do not have twitter accounts.

  23. calli

    Okay. Plenty of money has been raised because Australians are charitable and generous.

    Now pay your bills. Or next time, and there will be a next time, contractors might be a little slow to assist.

  24. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    Just had a look back through the “elections are the greatest threat to democracy” thread and found this little gem from everyone’s favourite “Regulation Man”, Iamashiteater:

    Abortion doesn’t involve the killing of any children.

    So there you have it. Why this type of monumental, almost indescribable idiocy is tolerated is beyond me. It isn’t even funny, it’s just f*cking pathetic.

  25. Boambee John

    “You have promised us prosperity by 2020
    What we’ve got is the loss of our families!
    You are living the high life while we are dying!”

    How many of those “families” are the little emporers of the one child policy?

    A million angry mothers of the dead sole children storming wherever the CCP Politburo meets will make Tien an Men look like a Sunday school picnic.

  26. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    Hoteliers and resort owners working in the shadow of Uluru have been hit by a tourism industry downturn

    Gee, how totally unexpected.

  27. Tom

    Woops. My David Rowe link doesn’t work. It’s his daily Trump Derangement.

    This week is going to be fun when mentally-ill leftards like him try to spin the Senate’s dismissal of the impeachment circus.

  28. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Donald Trump plan will ‘finish off Palestinian cause’, PM warns
    US president’s ‘Deal of the Century’ will dash hopes for an independent state, Palestinians say, as ISIL vows attacks.

  29. Bruce of Newcastle

    I’d say he definitely has a case, a really solid case.

    The Left Is One Huge Internet Troll (25 Jan, via BCF)

    As conservative writers for online magazines are all too well aware, their leftist adversaries are not interested in serious debate or mannerly conversation. Civility is not the left’s strong suit. Tactics vary along a spectrum of readily predictable talking points, false assertions, vituperation and obscenity, the stock in trade of those who have come to be known as trolls.

    Sounds familiar. 😀

  30. Trump’s best line of defence may be the argument that his tactic of withholding military aid until the Bidens were investigated was directed to forcing the Ukrainians to clean up corruption. If this way of looking at it is a reasonably possible justification for his actions, he should not be convicted given there is reasonable doubt as to his guilt. This theory works better the more evidence there is that Biden Jnr was engaged in corrupt business and that Snr assisted him.

    Not much new there. However, would Bolton be able to provide weighty evidence to support this theory? Does he plan to do so?

    BTW, the best explanation of the concept of ‘beyond reasonable doubt’ is a little book by Alan Dershowitz.

  31. Bruce of Newcastle

    David Rowe

    Looks like he’s got the wrong turkey again.

    Guess Who Was In Charge Of Reviewing Bolton’s Leaked Book At The NSC? (27 Jan)

    The identical twin brother of Democratic impeachment witness Alexander Vindman, Yevgeny Vindman, is reportedly in charge of reviewing all publications by current and former officials at the National Security Council (NSC), according to Breitbart News, which would include the recently leaked manuscript of former National Security adviser John Bolton.

    The report describes the reviews as a “standard process that allows the NSC to review book manuscripts, op-eds, or any other material for any classified material to be eliminated before publication.”

    What an amazingly amazing coincidence!

  32. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    Big fat orca whitey bloke, about 40, messy slob with guts hanging out of his T shirt is on the phone to his missus in the slow learner’s room. There’s a picture of her on screen, and he’s talking like the fuckwits on the reality shows, talking at the phone from about a metre away.

    Wonderful to encounter these types, innit? I was out yesterday morning on a run and almost had the misfortune to be involved in an ongoing mid street altercation between a clearly drug addled islander wally and an equally incoherent blandwhale that involved much incredibly loud screeching and flailing of pudgy arms, Bro. Bemused neighbores looking on wondering what might transpire next.

    Eventually iPlod turned up and carted them both off and peace descended back on the neighborehood.

  33. Mother Lode

    So there you have it. Why this type of monumental, almost indescribable idiocy is tolerated is beyond me.

    OmPoida always strikes me as someone with a very shallow and literal understanding.

    It is like thinking in 2-D in a 3-D universe. If you imagine a pen drawing a line on a piece of paper coming across a square or a circle or even another line he must stop. He can’t lift the nib in the 3rd dimension and put it down elsewhere.

    He will be stopped by the word ‘children’. If you have your definition ‘human after birth but before age 10’ then that is it. There is no stepping back, picking up the issue (so to speak) turning it in your hand, seeing it in the round and forming a living connection to it – to see the significance of ‘children – young human life, soul, possibility etc.

    Trapped by his definitions. Trapped by the lines someone else has drawn.

    He does the same thing with his ideas of being collectivists – people cooperating or sharing an interest are collectivists, and therefore leftists.

    Except him. Disowned by his family, shunned by society, destitute of friends, caring for no one – he sees himself as the consummate free spirit.

    It is when he does this stuff that that I believe he is a troll – because it looks like such an artificial creation, like he has a program written in BASIC.

    In any event, he is here because it is something he needs, either to rile people up, to feel clever, to have someone talk to him, or something like that. I doubt he would say that to himself. He would be flattering himself with some more remarkable fiction.

    And he would be wrong.

  34. cohenite

    The identical twin brother of Democratic impeachment witness Alexander Vindman, Yevgeny Vindman, is reportedly in charge of reviewing all publications by current and former officials at the National Security Council (NSC), according to Breitbart News, which would include the recently leaked manuscript of former National Security adviser John Bolton.

    FMD; and call me Lt-colonel pumpernickel is still working for the gov’t!

  35. Nob

    calli
    #3304457, posted on January 28, 2020 at 7:37 am
    Just saw this.

    A nice change from all the doom and gloom

    I had food poisoning when Mrs was having our second. I hadn’t been able to hold anything down for a couple of days but it was a long labour so halfway through I went across to the Chinese place across from the hospital and had a plate of soup.

    Held it in until the young fella popped out then rushed to the toilet and spewed my guts up.

    Midwife said, “Don’t feel bad, a lot of fathers react like that”.

  36. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Prof Haas said: “We have currently three cases suspected Wuhan coronavirus in Edinburgh and as far as I understand one case in Glasgow.”

    He said the cases emerged overnight, adding: “The situation will be pretty similar in pretty much all UK cities with a large number of Chinese students.

  37. Geriatric Mayfly

    What exactly is the treatment for this flu? There must be something as all the people flock to hospital hoping to get treated.

    A break through imminent. An assembly line of thousands, all with mortar and pestle, grinding down bits of endangered animals, reports a very encouraging result from Pestle Number 53.

  38. Archivist

    What exactly is the treatment for this flu?

    It’s not a flu.

    It’s”novel”. That’s the problem. No human immune system is prepared.

  39. Mother Lode

    This week is going to be fun when mentally-ill leftards like him try to spin the Senate’s dismissal of the impeachment circus.

    It will be because of Republican partisanship – not to be confused with the uniform devotion to justice when every Democrat voted for the impeachment.

    They will brand every statement by a Republican a lie, and every rule that thwarts the Dimocrats an abuse of process.

    This is what they will want to press to print so it becomes ‘history’.

  40. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Another ridiculously long hospital queue wuhan
    the hospitals themselves have become a major vector in spreading the virus

  41. Twostix

    What intrigues me is the ABC publishing lies as truth. If Tench did indeed spread smallpox amongst the indigenes, that is a crime of gargantuan proportions.

    Tench again.

    Boy the bugmen sure do lean heavily that one book to dupport their manufactured narrative of our history.

    (Not the parts were he explains in detail how savage the noble savages were though – strange right?)

  42. stackja

    Off the charts: Bushfires may be 20 times more intense than the largest fires humans can control
    Ten times the fuel means 100 times the intensity

    Hardly anyone is talking about these numbers yet they show just how far beyond our control the pyroconvective firestorms are and why we need to be so much smarter at preventing them. They also show how irrelevant temperatures onsite are, compared to fuel load and wind speed.

    Controllable fires are 3MW per meter, but we now have loads of 70MW/m

    Not only are these fires obscenely, catastrophically intense, it doesn’t matter how much fire fighting equipment we buy, how many dams we empty, they are a man-made disaster, and we’ve known for years how to prevent them. (Some would say, thousands of years). The message in here is that cool controllable burns are tiny, less damaging, and far less intense. The pyroconvective monsters are totally different creatures.

    Jo Nova

  43. Woops. My David Rowe link doesn’t work. It’s his daily Trump Derangement.

    Trump is living in his head rent free

  44. Archivist

    What exactly is the treatment for this flu?

    To answer your question directly. (keeping in mind it’s not the flu)
    People who get Wuhan coronavirus rapidly develop pneumonia, which is deadly. But as serious and life threatening as it is, pneumonia is at least something that doctors can treat. So being in medical care is actually useful.

  45. Geriatric Mayfly

    This po-faced, peevish bitch is still at it. As I never watch SBS News anymore, she had slipped from my memory.

    Outrage erupted on Thursday after a BBC report on the Holocaust commemoration events currently underway in Israel used the opportunity to slam the Jewish state.
    The Thursday [January 22] ceremony in Jerusalem marking the 75th anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz was attended by dozens of world leaders, including Britain’s Prince Charles, Russian President Vladimir Putin, French President Emmanuel Macron and US Vice President Mike Pence.
    The segment in question ended with a narration by Orla Guerin, a veteran international correspondent for the BBC, who has long been accused of bias against Israel.

  46. Geriatric Mayfly

    This po-faced, peevish bitch is still at it. As I never watch SBS News anymore, she had slipped from my memory.
    Oops! Some editing required.

    Outrage erupted on Thursday after a BBC report on the Hol*caust commemoration events currently underway in Isr*el used the opportunity to slam the Jooish state.
    The Thursday [January 22] ceremony in Jerus*lem marking the 75th anniversary of the liberation of Aus*witz was attended by dozens of world leaders, including Britain’s Prince Charles, Russian President Vladimir Putin, French President Emmanuel Macron and US Vice President Mike Pence.
    The segment in question ended with a narration by Orla Guerin, a veteran international correspondent for the BBC, who has long been accused of bias against Isr*el.

  47. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Spurgeon Monkfish III at 8:33 am:

    ” Hoteliers and resort owners working in the shadow of Uluru have been hit by a tourism industry downturn

    Gee, how totally unexpected.”

    This won’t trouble the blackfellas – I have read that, apart from traditional begging for a durry when the tourist bus arrives, they weren’t minded to work in any of the accommodation or retail jobs anyway. The government banking service was never far away.

    Mid last year I read this marvelous rationale:

    “Closing Uluru to climbers empowers Indigenous people to teach visitors about their culture on their own terms, which is more sustainable …”

    The only people I know who have any interest in watching a dozen blokes in oversize nappies lurching about like drunks, stamping their feet and grunting, are dumb cows who rarely leave the leagues club, except to join a South Pacific cruise (which is much the same) and dopey doctors’ wives who know everything.

    When one sees “empowers” and “sustainable” in the same sentence its time to turn the page.

  48. Controllable fires are 3MW per meter, but we now have loads of 70MW/m

    Not only are these fires obscenely, catastrophically intense, it doesn’t matter how much fire fighting equipment we buy, how many dams we empty, they are a man-made disaster, and we’ve known for years how to prevent them. (Some would say, thousands of years). The message in here is that cool controllable burns are tiny, less damaging, and far less intense.

    Clearing substantial firebreaks to match the fuel load does give you a chance.
    Firebreaks also mean you can burn off and limit the damage if things get out of control.

    The pyroconvective monsters are totally different creatures.

    + ∞

  49. Archivist

    from your link:

    The Boarding Schools’ Association, which represents 550 independent and state boarding schools, urged its members to support pupils from affected areas who may be worried about friends and families.

    …and that shows the evolutionary course of industry bodies.
    This industry association, created by the community of private schools, now controls its maker.
    Also, what about advising them to be on the lookout for signs of mysterious illness?
    What’s the bigger threat to Western civiilisation: coronavirus or xenophobia?

  50. Archivist

    That’s in the UK by the way, from Geriatric’s link above.

  51. When one sees “empowers” and “sustainable” in the same sentence its time to turn the page.

    Control the language and you control the agenda.

    I’m using stainable – anything the leftists can mess up.

  52. Geriatric Mayfly

    Empowers, sustainable etc etc etc all bilious manipulations of the language. Now we have this fleck of carrot joining the vomit – ‘influencer.’

  53. Mater

    Clearing substantial firebreaks to match the fuel load does give you a chance.

    Yes. It’s not rocket science. Make firebreaks at least as wide as the reach of possible radiant heat (fuel load needs to be considered) and wait for the fire to reach it. Fight it there within the fire breaks. If you go traipsing into the bush looking for a fight, you’ll be overwhelmed and die. Easy.

    Fight it at a time and place of your choosing. It’s simple Military theory and it has more than one use.

  54. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    A 21-year-old woman has become the fourth person in NSW to test positive for coronavirus as the state government says most children who have holidayed in China can return to school this week.

  55. calli

    Woops. My David Rowe link doesn’t work.

    Told yus it would be acres of pink flesh with homoerotic overtones.

    Utterly predictable.

  56. Anthony

    Why is everyone so convinced that Bolton is determined to bring Trump down? He would be required to change his thinking of a lifetime.

  57. Fight it at a time and place of your choosing. It’s simple Military theory and it has more than one use.

    I will reuse that description.

  58. Johno

    But as serious and life threatening as it is, pneumonia is at least something that doctors can treat. I am guessing that the pneumonia would be the viral form. is this right?

  59. Gilas

    Mick Gold Coast QLD
    #3304506, posted on January 28, 2020 at 9:43 am

    From Spurgeon Monkfish III at 8:33 am:

    When one sees “empowers” and “sustainable” in the same sentence its time to turn the page.

    .. and “inclusive”,

    don’t forget “inclusive”

  60. 1735099

    Civility is not the left’s strong suit.

    Really.

    Sounds familiar.

    Sure does.
    A quick sampling of “civility” on this non-left site –

    It isn’t even funny, it’s just f*cking pathetic.

    This po-faced, peevish bitch is still at it.those disgusting rat semen drinking freaks.

    The ABC should be quarantined. No one in or out, with the army ringed around with orders to shoot to kill anyone trying to leave.

    Dear Mr Hemsworth,
    Fuck off.

    Piss off.

    Let’s hope the treasonous troll catches the chink virus.

    So, the twat troll has small-pox; good news.

  61. calli

    Surely s good kick in the groin would have sufficed for these women. A fat sixty year old is not particularly nimble.

    He’s a grub, sure. I wonder how many women actually said “no” and meant it? And if he had such a bad reputation, why invite him in? Dumb and conniving.

  62. MatrixTransform

    A quick sampling of “civility” on this non-left site

    Fuck off Numpty

  63. calli

    When one sees “empowers” and “sustainable” in the same sentence its time to turn the page.

    Harrumph! I find your attitude problematic and unprecedented. And verging on catastrophic.

  64. Leigh Lowe

    Geriatric Mayfly

    #3304514, posted on January 28, 2020 at 9:56 am

    Empowers, sustainable etc etc etc all bilious manipulations of the language. Now we have this fleck of carrot joining the vomit – ‘influencer.’

    Pronounced “influenza”.

  65. Struth

    Good Moaning.
    Whilw we ae talking about Ayers rock and Yulara, they have a a scheme set up, all right, regarding Abo Employment.

    Here’s the scheme.
    As getting anyone from the shit hole which is the community at the rock to work , is impossible, what they do instead, using your taxes, is fly out white kids who think they are black , from city and suburban Australia, and Aussie Indians and Pakis, to be employed, in fact anyone who is not white and right wing , and claim employment of indigenous as a success.

  66. Johno

    Was it Knakers or Nig gers?

  67. Mother Lode

    Harrumph! I find your attitude problematic and unprecedented. And verging on catastrophic.

    Unhelpful, even.

  68. Leigh Lowe

    When one sees “empowers” and “sustainable” in the same sentence its time to turn the page

    Before I comment I would need to know the grammatic specificity of the utilisation of the terms.

  69. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    When one sees “empowers” and “sustainable” in the same sentence its time to turn the page.

    .. and “inclusive”,

    don’t forget “inclusive”

    must be diverse, the more diverse the more unity

  70. cohenite

    Let’s hope the treasonous troll catches the chink virus.
    So, the twat troll has small-pox; good news.

    Those ones are mine; here’s hoping.

  71. candy

    Why is everyone so convinced that Bolton is determined to bring Trump down? He would be required to change his thinking of a lifetime.

    I didn’t realise the awful moustachioed guy was Bolton until just recently. Something about him seems unstable?

    The Left love him so much today.
    I think it possible he could enable impeachment of Trump. After which Trump would emerge with his own party and destroy the Republicans. Fair enough.

  72. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Another ridiculously long hospital queue wuhan
    the hospitals themselves have become a major vector in spreading the virus

    One would certainly think so. I think many people are there accompanying their sick relative, as not all seem too sick in those queues. The reason they go to hospital, according to Hairy who knows China well, is because they are creatures of habit who flock together. I say to him that may be part of it but more likely is that the hospital can offer some certainty by testing to see whether the ill person actually has corona virus. I have read too that some people are sent away with anti-inflammatory tablets. I take it that the medical view there is that an overblown inflammatory response is what many people get when the virus attacks, and that this lets in a secondary pneumonia bacteria. Possibly they get antibiotics from the hospitals too.

    However, given the way this virus is spreading, queuing at hospitals seems like a rather dangerous exchange for drugs when the local chemist can probably do just as much good in this regard. That’s if these drugs do any good anyway. Possibly a positive swab gives some other privileges which some people might need or wish to hold in advance, in ICU for instance, where as Zippy notes, modern medical techniques and constant monitoring can do much to stop systems disintegration, and can also operate to remove lung fluid build up etc. Debatable how much ICU is operating at normal levels though during this period of chaos and shortage of equipment.

  73. Geriatric Mayfly

    The Left love him so much today.

    Wasn’t the case not so long back when he was a grave threat to the corrupt U.N.

  74. Struth

    Angry words by us about the evil, hate filled actions of the left, their lies and deceit, has the left pretending to be upset !!!

    Boo fucking hoo.

    Hey, Sniffy, I may tell you to get fucked, but that is because you hate Joooos, divide by race, and are extremely racist in action and thought, support the politics that has shown always leads to the death of millions, have excused Moooooossie murdering terrorists, people drowning in boats, burnt in roofs, have taken money to play in abo organisations that cause the misery and early deaths of aboriginals with their socialist parasitic failures.
    Even when you know things are wrong, like Australian coal mining causing climate change, or bushfires, you silently go along with it because you are a cowardly left wing sheep, who puts your tribe before your brain and integrity.

    You are an all round piece of shit,
    And when we talk about scum like you, we do it on blogs like this, where you don’t have to be.

    Oh………..and…………..Get Fucked.
    Whaddaya expect from decent people, a pat on the back?

  75. jo

    Spud will consider that lavish praise Struth.

  76. Gilas

    Johno
    #3304522, posted on January 28, 2020 at 10:13 am

    But as serious and life threatening as it is, pneumonia is at least something that doctors can treat. I am guessing that the pneumonia would be the viral form. is this right?

    That is correct.
    Viral pneumonias predominantly occur in the frail (as suprainfections to body-weakening bacterial sepsis) or de-novo in the immuno-suppressed (post cancer chemo, HIV-AIDS, young infants etc.)
    Mortality rates are generally much lower than the bacterial variety.
    Supportive care in an appropriate, non-shithole health system is all that’s required, in otherwise healthy individuals ie. the overwhelming majority of the Wuhan infected.

    The infection-resistance-disadvantaged groups above will, however, have a strong head-start in the race-to-the-grave stakes. As they would do in any illness, ALWAYS, in any case, since Adam was a boy.

    This, for some real data on the scale of this problem (lower respiratory infections), in the greater scheme of Chinese mortitude.
    The figures in the West are much lower (<10% of the Chinese rates).

    There's nothing new under the Sun, folks! But let's just panic, just like during the the last health scare fizzer.

  77. jo

    Spud will consider that lavish praise Struth.

  78. Tom

    Even though I lived there for six months, I missed the gene that makes a handful of Australian males slaver over American sports. I just had to switch off the racing station because some American nobody and a commentator who comes from Birchip were slavering over the legacy of Kobe Bryant. FFS, basketball in’t even in the top five Australian TV sports. Most Australians couldn’t give a stuff about it, but saying you do evidently gives shit-eating media types virtue-signalling bonus points.

    If you want to talk about tragedy, how about Kobe’s 14-year-old daughter dying with her old man because they trusted a pilot who didn’t know how to fly safely in fog?

  79. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    However, given the way this virus is spreading, queuing at hospitals seems like a rather dangerous exchange for drugs when the local chemist can probably do just as much good in this regard.

    your talking about a population who largely still believe in traditional chinese medicine and feng shui.

  80. feelthebern

    Lib minister demands Wuhan Zombie Apocalypse virus spreads.

    Education Minister Dan Tehan has chastised private schools who are telling Chinese students and other pupils who have visited China to stay home to avoid spreading the coronavirus.

  81. candy

    how about Kobe’s 14-year-old daughter dying with her old man because they trusted a pilot who didn’t know how to fly safely in fog?

    Why were they flying at all in a fog?
    Surely a pilot knows better. I assume some pressure to fly to get to somewhere on time, despite warning of the dangerous weather. Poor child loses her life because of adult stupidity.

  82. Johno

    Thank you Gilas. I have been vaccinated for both viral and bacterial pneumonia. Will this give me some protection against the current crop?

  83. Dr Faustus

    In Holy Bat Flu news (In Safe Hands edition):

    With no proven drugs to treat the new virus, the health authorities have told doctors to prescribe a combination of treatments — anti-viral H.I.V. drugs as well as traditional Chinese medicine — to patients. Some of the medicines being prescribed are a mixture of ingredients like buffalo horn, jasmine and honeysuckle…

    Will be working like a storm.
    Anything with buffalo horn is sure to.

  84. Cassie of Sydney

    “1735099
    #3304524, posted on January 28, 2020 at 10:19 am”

    Here’s some civility for you racist…how many dead Jooos did you fantasise about this morning?

  85. Cassie of Sydney

    ““1735099
    #3304524, posted on January 28, 2020 at 10:19 am””

    Oh and fuck off.

  86. Infidel Tiger

    Even though I lived there for six months, I missed the gene that makes a handful of Australian males slaver over American sports. I just had to switch off the racing station because some American nobody and a commentator who comes from Birchip were slavering over the legacy of Kobe Bryant. FFS, basketball in’t even in the top five Australian TV sports. Most Australians couldn’t give a stuff about it, but saying you do evidently gives shit-eating media types virtue-signalling bonus points.

    Australia is a massive market for the NBA. It’s incredibly popular here.

    Talk to the yoof.

  87. feelthebern

    Talk to the yoof.

    Pity they’re all too fat to shoot hoops.
    But they do like their gaming consoles don’t they.

  88. EvilElvis

    Now pay your bills. Or next time, and there will be a next time, contractors might be a little slow to assist.

    Shackle small business with extreme employee award conditions. Bureacracy operate as usual even in emergency situation. Fuck over the little guys that are lucky to still have a home because of bureacratic rubbish. Breath a sigh of relief that the smokey smell in your air conned public service office is subsiding. Good work. All these bills can wait till tomorrow, we’ve got to divy up all this charitable loot into agencies. Gonna be a whole lot of expensive administrating going on.

  89. feelthebern

    Whichever gaming console incorporates a vagina into their hardware will be responsible for the end of the human race.

  90. 1735099

    Ain’t the market wonderful?

    Early last month, as fire swept across large parts of the east coast and South Australia but before the Christmas conflagration, secret internal documents detailing ANZ’s rapid retreat from coal hit the news.

    Contrary to its public statements before Parliament just a few weeks before, the bank had formulated a plan to shed more than $700 million in thermal coal loans within the next four years: a 75 per cent reduction.

    This was a major shift for ANZ, the country’s biggest lender to the coal industry, and one that would bring it into line with the Commonwealth Bank and the National Australia Bank.

    A few weeks later, investment bank Goldman Sachs, in one of the strongest positions from any American financier, ruled out future thermal coal financing, either for new mines or power stations globally.

    Then, a fortnight ago, the world’s biggest investment house Blackrock, announced it was drastically reducing its exposure to thermal coal.

  91. When one sees “empowers” and “sustainable” in the same sentence its time to turn the page.

    .. and “inclusive”,

    don’t forget “inclusive”

    must be diverse, the more diverse the more unity

    “The question is,” said Alice, “whether you can make words mean so many different things.”

    “The question is,” said Humpty Dumpty, “which is to be master-that’s all.”

  92. Zatara

    … trusted a pilot who didn’t know how to fly safely in fog?

    My guess is that the pilot was talked into scud running through the hills, possibly at threat of his job, to get Bryant to a basketball game or practice.

    Unfortunately, he elected to go ‘special VFR’ in an obvious IFR environment. Probably because they were running late. Unfortunately, there are no instrument approach procedures to the Staples Center in LA.

  93. Cassie of Sydney

    “Old Tom Parr
    #3304560, posted on January 28, 2020 at 11:15 am
    Should we really be this nasty to a veteran? Its getting a bit over the top isn’t it?”

    A veteran of what?

    And who made you the chief censor here?

  94. Should we really be this nasty to a veteran?

    A veteran of the ’67 moratorium?

  95. Johno

    Should we really be this nasty to a veteran? Its getting a bit over the top isn’t it?

    Are you taking the piss? This arsehole didn’t have the guts to walk the jungle trail, he agitated and caused havoc within his plt until he was sent to Admin coy to peel spuds. The men in his plt were in a fight to survive and this scumbag disrupted their efforts until he was heaved out.
    He has spent fifty years denigrating the men he didn’t have the guts to join.

  96. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    From the Australian just now this morning:

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    Education Minister Dan Tehan has chastised private schools who are telling Chinese students and other pupils who have visited China to stay home to avoid spreading the coronavirus.
    Elite schools in Sydney and Melbourne are isolating pupils who have recently visited China or telling them to stay away for at least a fortnight, while other schools are demanding medical certificates as the school year begins this week.
    But the Minister said schools should be following federal health department advice that all students should be going to school unless they have coronavirus symptoms or had contact with someone with signs of the virus.
    Mr Tehan said on Tuesday that Australia must “send a message” that the country is still open to international students, and all schools should follow the advice that pupils must be in class.
    “Individual schools make their own decisions but the advice from the Australian government is to follow our medical advice,” he told ABC radio. “We want to make sure that we continue to send a message that Australia is open for international students.

    I am not so sure that I would like my child to be the one to ‘send a message’ just to please the placating ambitions of this Education Minister. A small degree of isolation of children who may have been exposed to viral cases who were not symptomatic at the time of the child’s exposure seems to me, and obviously to many educators, to be a simple and not unkind precaution for a short period of time. These children will still be part of the school community.

    In trying to ‘calm’ the situation for overseas consumption he is doing nothing to help it, because common sense goes against a ‘business as usual’ approach at this stage. Minor isolations and precautions are likely to make ALL parents feel happy, here and in China. If my child had been in Wuhan or anywhere in China I would keep them away from school for two weeks after their arrival back in Australia, but then I am just a cautious old public health epidemiologist. The schools are offering a slightly less drastic approach which will likely be just as effective.

  97. feelthebern

    Anyone been to Wedge Island?

  98. lotocoti

    a population who largely still believe in traditional chinese medicine and feng shui.

    Are you in some way casting doubt upon the efficacy of Sussex Royal No.1 Porpoise Juice*?
    *Made daily from freshly squeezed Yangtze River Porpoise.

  99. Slim Cognito

    Their ABC is blatantly lying again.

    This from their report on the impeachment proceedings:
    “But Trump went a step further, accusing Joe Biden of using his power as Vice President to fire a prosecutor who was investigating Burisma. That’s demonstrably false…”

    I guess they just didn’t know about this video:
    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/09/27/flashback_2018_joe_biden_brags_at_cfr_meeting_about_withholding_aid_to_ukraine_to_force_firing_of_prosecutor.html

  100. calli

    Mr Tehan said on Tuesday that Australia must “send a message” that the country is still open to international students, and all schools should follow the advice that pupils must be in class.

    Can someone please lock MrTehan in a room with patients infected with coronavirus?

    That way he could “send a message” that it’s safe for the littlies.

    Ta.

  101. Infidel Tiger

    The private schools are much smarter than our Government.

    The government would rather the income from the worthless degree factories than keep Australians safe.

  102. Roger

    Education Minister Dan Tehan has chastised private schools who are telling Chinese students and other pupils who have visited China to stay home to avoid spreading the coronavirus.

    Can someone remind Mr. Tehan that his duty is to serve the Australian people.

  103. EvilElvis

    Whichever gaming console incorporates a vagina into their hardware will be responsible for the end of the human race.

    rickw and I will get straight onto it. I need a little breather though. Powering this 3D printer to pump out rubber dog turds is bloody hard work and rickw is a slave driver. No break for 15 hours straight and my back has got whip welts all over it. Christ, need to get a post apocalyptic union going, the Miscellaneous Turds Union, yeah that’ll work.

  104. Mater

    Should we really be this nasty to a veteran? Its getting a bit over the top isn’t it?

    He’s used that as both a Sword and a Shield for far too long.
    He should judged by his comments alone.

  105. calli

    If I had a child at, say Cheltenham Girls or Epping Boys, I would be keeping them home and supervising. Another couple of weeks holiday won’t hurt.

  106. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Thank you Gilas. I have been vaccinated for both viral and bacterial pneumonia. Will this give me some protection against the current crop?

    no, it’s SARS based

  107. stackja

    Cassie of Sydney
    #3304564, posted on January 28, 2020 at 11:21 am

    OTP is?

  108. Can someone remind Mr. Tehan that his duty is to serve the Australian people.

    What!

    As an Australian politician his primary task is to increase the value of his share and real estate portfolios.
    Secondarily to ensure that the parliamentary pension is maximized.
    Cash collections in Aldi bags, whilst a necessary task, is low priority.

    Get with the program.

  109. EvilElvis

    Most Australians couldn’t give a stuff about it, but saying you do evidently gives shit-eating media types virtue-signalling bonus points.

    Don’t let that put you off the great man though, Tom. He was massive and recent. It’s like a Ronaldo or a Rooney or a Messi going down. We have nothing to compare despite having the greatest game in the world.

  110. Fisky

    Are we going to start serving bat soup and raw eel at the school canteen now? Is that where this is going?

    Mr Tehan said on Tuesday that Australia must “send a message” that the country is still open to international students, and all schools should follow the advice that pupils must be in class.

  111. Johno

    The Bird is the Word. Bird Bird Bird.

  112. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    your talking about a population who largely still believe in traditional chinese medicine and feng shui.

    That’s Hairy’s view of it too. He once led a trade mission in IT to Wuhan, but couldn’t get there because of Chinese airport chaos in Shanghai, where they were giving him the run-around about the flights that were ‘coming’ after theirs was cancelled. He upped sticks and cancelled the Wuhan part of the trip after taking an hour of this nonsense and seeing the spreading chaos. Apparently those who still waited in hope at the airport were still waiting a day later, and finally joined him back in a swish Shanghai hotel where he had been relaxing while they sat tight believing in Chinese efficiency. lol, he said to me in an email at the time.

  113. calli

    Someone really, really old, Stacks.

    Or someone with a really, really lucky daughter. 😁

  114. Boambee John

    Johno
    #3304530, posted on January 28, 2020 at 10:28 am
    Was it Knakers or Nig gers?

    The journo concerned claimed that she combined “Knicks” with “Lakers” to get “Nakers” (phonetic). I suspect what she actually said was “Knic-kers” (I’ll leave the phonetics to you).

  115. Fisky

    Education Minister Dan Tehan has chastised private schools who are telling Chinese students and other pupils who have visited China to stay home to avoid spreading the coronavirus.

    That is literally what all schools are doing in China you fucking twat. FMD this government is rubbish.

  116. feelthebern

    Is now a good time to raise September 11 ?

  117. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘Should we really be this nasty to a veteran?’

    Man.

    That’s like someone walking around Berlin in early 1946, looking about here and there and then proclaiming ‘Geez, d’ya reckon they really had to use all those bombs?’

  118. Mater

    The problem with gratuitously beating up on veterans is that most of us don’t want to fight. Do you want to defend this country Cassie? I don’t want to fight, I want someone else to fight for me.

    Bob didn’t want to fight either. By his own admission, he did everything in his power to avoid it, and leave it up to others. He failed, but his efforts shouldn’t go unrecognised.

  119. Infidel Tiger

    Tegan needs to be sent on a ministerial visit to Wuhan to visit their schools.

  120. Cassie of Sydney

    “The last time I wanted to fight was when the Israelis carried out that micro-nuke false flag in Bali. But since then I’ve been happy to know that others are willing to fight for me. I thought this was a conservative blog. Not a bunch of hippies.”

    It’s a bird infection

  121. Cassie of Sydney

    “feelthebern
    #3304588, posted on January 28, 2020 at 11:36 am
    Is now a good time to raise September 11 ?

    Well…the right bird has swooped in for this discussion.

  122. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘micro-nuke false flag in Bali’

    Old Tom Parr,

    That was the Yamnya people. Everyone knows that.

  123. Tom

    The Bird is the Word. Bird Bird Bird.

    Well spotted, Johno.

    It usually happens just after midnight.

  124. feelthebern

    September 11 was carried out by the lizard people. Discuss.

  125. Bruce of Newcastle

    Graeme’s probably here hoping for fun discussions about the Trump plan.
    No one in the MSM is talking about it in case it makes the Orange Menace look good.
    Plenty of coverage over at JPost though, if Mossad hasn’t blocked him.

  126. Ireland has a whole population of Orla Guerins. Miserable, resentful, grievance fantasist harridans. Like Fonda et ilk, they auto-adopt an anti-western hate line regardless of the issue. ABC, CNN, BBC could save a fortune in recruitment costs by just hiring any miserable Irish hag. They come genetically pre-programmed to hate the West as the UN has discovered to their delight.
    I’m loving the agony the Irish are suffering from discovering that the Brits don’t give a shit about Irish views on Brexit.
    Of course this contempt for the Irish is in no way influenced by childhood experiences at the gentle and caring hands of Irish priests, nuns and brothers. No, not at all Boyo!

  127. Geriatric Mayfly

    Are we going to follow in the footsteps of the AIDS
    epidemic and be forced to cosset, humour and embrace the vectors of this new disease so that vicitims can ‘feel safe.’ Tolerance, there’s another one to add to the list.

  128. feelthebern

    I wonder if the the Drum or the Project will devote as much time to this NZ situation has they spent on Australia using carry over credits.

    Coalition MPs have accused New Zealand of hypocrisy over climate change, as the Ardern government looks set to use carry-over credits to hit its 2020 Kyoto target despite its opposition to Australia using the credits to meet its Paris reductions target.

    Liberal MP Jason Falinski said New Zealand was showing a “lack of consistency and standards” in criticising countries using Kyoto carry-over credits for Paris targets.

    New Zealand plans to use 27.7 million tonnes worth of credits from outperforming the 2012 target to meet this year’s Kyoto deadline of reducing emissions by 5 per cent on 1990 levels. While New Zealand must use credits to meet its 2020 target, Australia is forecast to beat its 2020 target by 287 million tonnes without the use of the carry-over mechanism.

  129. Mother Lode

    Your talking about a population who largely still believe in traditional chinese medicine and feng shui.

    The whole thing might have been caused by a sofa being placed along the wrong wall in someone’s house.

  130. Cassie of Sydney

    “I think you are probably a flag-burning leftist hippie.”

    To the Cats who know me personally…what do you reckon…would you describe me as a “a flag-burning leftist hippie“?

  131. Cassie of Sydney

    “feelthebern
    #3304598, posted on January 28, 2020 at 11:43 am
    September 11 was carried out by the lizard people. Discuss.”

    Apparently I am a “lizard person”!

  132. feelthebern

    Apparently I am a “lizard person”!

    No you’re not.
    But Rummy was/is.

  133. Anyone looking for a gentle and amusing flik: ‘The Guernsey Literary and Potato Peel Pie Society on Netflix tickles all the right spots.

  134. Arky

    Boarding schools with Chinese pupils urged to be alert for xenophobia
    Association calls on members to support pupils amid fears of coronavirus outbreak

    ..
    Shit.
    You can predict where their little brains will go days out.
    Chinese. Virus. White people. Fear. Racism. Must. Signal. Virtue.

  135. feelthebern

    The longer version of Louie CK asking Rummy if he was a lizard.

  136. Arky

    Mr Tehan said on Tuesday that Australia must “send a message” that the country is still open to international students, and all schools should follow the advice that pupils must be in class.

    Get FUCKED.

  137. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Some private schools have devised a sensible-enough program of isolation of students just in from China in separate dormitories when boarding and in separate classrooms for most purposes; also daily checking on whether any of these students are showing any signs. If they are, of course, they should be removed and the 14 day period of isolation for the rest starts all over again.

    I have four grandchildren who will be attending classes in public primary schools in upper-middle class areas this week. I think if their schools don’t have recent arrivals from China in the classrooms they will be fine, although no-one can be totally sure that this virus is not by now circulating in our general population. I will outline the risks to the parents and to my sixteen year old grandson re high school, and it is then their decision after they make enquiries of the schools.

    There are so many unknowns. I guess people aren’t used to thinking for themselves, having swallowed holus bolus the climate ‘science’. My hope is that the virus loses lethality in each genetic iteration as it does what virologists call ‘progresses’ through a number of transmissive cases. Viruses do this; sadly, as new opportunistic environments can occur during transmission, the opposite thing can also happen: sometimes a fairly benign new virus becomes more lethal. This happened in 1918. Isolating and halting the virus, and disinfecting anywhere it might find comfortable, can also limit its environment.

  138. Mother Lode

    Now pay your bills. Or next time, and there will be a next time, contractors might be a little slow to assist.

    I think I read yesterday a a couple of lines in a paper saying that Wingecarribee Shire hitting people who have lost their homes thousands of dollars (they cites up to $10,000) for people to get permissions to re-build their homes.

    Considering the calamitous role councils have had in the fires, and their rules that will have stopped a lot of people from protecting their houses by clearing and trimming, it might be a good idea for them to pull their bloody heads in.

    But it does perhaps cause to coalesce in people’s minds the question of why they paid the councils in the first place.

    I would argue that it is not the lack of exceptions being made which is offensive, but the rules to which the exceptions are being applied that is.

  139. stackja

    Coronavirus outbreak kills 82 people, Australia has ‘pandemic potential’
    Australia has declared the deadly new coronavirus as having “pandemic potential” with more people being tested in NSW. Shares have also plummeted in early trade.

    Peter Taylor and John Dagge, Clare Armstrong, Louise Starkey, Sue Dunlevy, News Corp Australia Network
    Subscriber only

    January 28, 2020 11:44am

    Australia has declared the deadly new coronavirus as having “pandemic potential” with more cases expected to be diagnosed across the country in the coming days.

    Shares have also tumbled in early trade amid fears the spread of the deadly coronavirus will infect global economic growth.

    NSW Health is currently testing eight people for the coronavirus – up from five people as of Monday.

    The state’s health authorities also cleared six people of the disease yesterday.

    Four people in NSW and one person in Victoria have been diagnosed with the virus, which has killed at least 82 people in China, with Health Minister Greg Hunt warning more patients in Australia could test positive for the disease.

    “We do believe there is the potential for further cases to be identified and therefore to be announced,” he told Sky News.

    “Following the World Health Organisation (WHO) advice, the advice of the medical experts in Australia who are working together, Australia declared this to be a disease with pandemic potential.”

    Mr Hunt said Australia was moving as “fast as possible” to track down anyone potentially exposed to an infected patient due to the risk of the disease spreading.

  140. Cassie of Sydney

    “Arky
    #3304612, posted on January 28, 2020 at 11:56 am
    Mr Tehan said on Tuesday that Australia must “send a message” that the country is still open to international students, and all schools should follow the advice that pupils must be in class.

    Get FUCKED.”

    well said.

  141. Sinclair Davidson

    Hi Graeme

    Bye Graeme

  142. EvilElvis

    Some private schools have devised a sensible-enough program of isolation of students just in from China in separate dormitories when boarding and in separate classrooms for most purposes; also daily checking on whether any of these students are showing any signs. If they are, of course, they should be removed and the 14 day period of isolation for the rest starts all over again.

    Almost reads like a common sense policy that the government should have implemented. Not fucking likely. Maggie Thatcher’s ambassador was right, talentless, lazy, corrupt hacks.

  143. feelthebern

    But I didn’t get to hear his views on the lizard people & September 11.

  144. Johno

    I thought the current coronavirus weakened the lungs and that this led to pneumonia. So it now appears that the corona virus has its’ own strain of pneumonia. Is this what happens and would ventolin help reduce the symptoms?

  145. Geriatric Mayfly

    Something utterly cringeworthy on the horizon. Another one of those ‘Buddy Programmes’ in schools. But this time, if you are white and from the resident culture, you must buddy-up with an Asian to reduce any hints of disease bias.

  146. Bruce of Newcastle

    Here you go:
    List of reptilian humanoids (wiki)
    About a hundred or so to choose from.

  147. Arky

    Infidel Tiger
    #3304572, posted on January 28, 2020 at 11:26 am
    The private schools are much smarter than our Government.

    The government would rather the income from the worthless degree factories than keep Australians safe

    ..
    The private school’s initial response was as weak as piss.
    But the parent backlash was huge.
    Ironically, the biggest concern was from Chinese parents who know what a fuckshow it is.

  148. stackja

    Mother Lode
    #3304614, posted on January 28, 2020 at 11:57 am

    Mayor backflips on refusal to waive council fees for fire victims
    A Southern Highlands mayor has changed his stance on slugging bushfire residents with council fees to rebuild their homes after The Daily Telegraph revealed one resident was quoted $10,000.

    Mitchell Van Homrigh and Jessica McSweeney, The Daily Telegraph
    Subscriber only

    January 27, 2020 1:34pm

    A Southern Highlands mayor has backflipped on his refusal to waive development application fees for resident who have lost everything in bushfires and want to rebuild on their scorched land.

    Wingecarribee Mayor Duncan Gair said he believed those who are uninsured or whose insurance does not cover development application fees should have the costs either waived or refunded by the council, but was yet to propose this to other councillors.

    “It is going to be suggested, it could even be done on Wednesday night. I’m happy to ask the council to consider it,” Mayor Gair said.

    “I believe that councils should look at all avenues of being able to fund that, if it needs to come out of the mayoral relief fund I will consider that.”

    During the past six weeks, 60 homes have been destroyed in the Wingecarribee Shire Council area and more than 250 buildings razed.

    Exeter resident Sara Haslinger, whose house burnt down on January 4, was quoted almost $10,000 in council fees for approval to build on her scorched block.

    “We have been horrified (by their response),” she said.

    “There has been a complete lack of empathy from the council, from these people in management who are getting paid hundreds of thousands of dollars each year.”

  149. candy

    Mr Tehan is taking quite a risk with the health of school children.

    Political pressure? A good size Chinese Australian vote helped with the election perhaps last year.

  150. Johno

    Why all the sympathy for uninsured people from the bushfires? Part of your premiums pay for the fireys. Uninsured people don’t contribute. They then expect councils to waive fees and provide other assistance, this all costs other ratepayers.

  151. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Experts Warn of Possible Sustained Global Spread of New Coronavirus
    If the virus cannot be contained, it could start regularly circulating in the population like other common respiratory viruses

  152. Boambee John

    Early last month, as fire swept across large parts of the east coast and South Australia but before the Christmas conflagration, secret internal documents detailing ANZ’s rapid retreat from coal hit the news.

    Contrary to its public statements before Parliament just a few weeks before, the bank had formulated a plan to shed more than $700 million in thermal coal loans within the next four years: a 75 per cent reduction.

    More seagull sh1t! They are about to learn about “Get woke, go broke”!

    We have a bit to invest, having recently sold a house. We will not be talking to ANZ. I suspect that we will not be the only ones making that decision.

  153. lotocoti

    Dammit.
    Missed bringing up those so called moon landings. Again.

  154. Caveman

    Mr Tehan said on Tuesday that Australia must “send a message”

    #Ieatbatwithyou

  155. feelthebern

    #Ieatbatwithyou

    Originally this was #i’llbatwithyou

  156. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I didn’t go so far as to call you an infection Cassie. I think you are probably a flag-burning leftist hippie. Don’t be that hard on yourself. I’m not characterising you as an infestation. Just another dopey leftist I expect.

    Old Tom Below Parr, you are a prize idiot.

    First you rabbit on at the end of the Corona Virus Thread saying that a virus by itself can’t do much damage. Hello? Smallpox, Rubella for a foetus, HIV, Measles, Ebola and so on. The 1918 Influenza virus and plenty of others too didn’t need much help. In 1918, some people died within 24 hours or less of showing haemorrhagic viral attack in a variety of body tissues and systems, or just from total viral shock without haemorrhagic expression. The consensus now is that only one transmuting virus was responsible too. And then there were the secondary pathogenic attacks.

    Now you have the hide to call Cassie a ‘flag burning leftist hippie’. Just another example that you haven’t got a clue what you come here talking about. I know Cassie. So do a number of other Cats and Kittehs. She is a straight-as-a-die hard-hitting highly intelligent and well-read Jooosh anti-leftist, and a very nice person as well. As for being a hippie, why, Cassie is very attractive, strong red lippie is her signature style, not hippie, and she dresses sassy to impress. She also has a stunning necklace with a World War 11 replica fighter plane on it that I would kill for. Cassie is the absolute essence of my fighter jet t-shirt I got in Jerusalem, the best one of which says ‘don’t worry America, Israel has your back’.

    Hairy and Cassie are great mates too, always comparing notes on the latest Oz censorship of their comments, and organizing the fight back.

  157. Bear Necessities

    Experts Warn of Possible Sustained Global Spread of New Coronavirus
    If the virus cannot be contained, it could start regularly circulating in the population like other common respiratory viruses

    I would say it already is and like any other virus it will have the most affect on the young, sick or elderly whose immune systems are the most weak.

    With a 2 week incubation period it will be almost impossible to stop.

  158. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    seems the official figures are released just before lunchtime

    4,295 confirmed cases
    – 106 fatalities
    – 855+ critical

  159. Lizzie:

    Mr Tehan said on Tuesday that Australia must “send a message” that the country is still open to international students, and all schools should follow the advice that pupils must be in class.

    If we get through this panic, I hope someone who loses a child has the ability to send this pile of monkey turds a “message”.
    They just haven’t got a bloody clue, have they?
    “Australia is a lucky country which is run by third raters who are continually surprised by events.”
    How much warning that something is amiss does this government need? A mammoth with a giant erection and an air horn for each stroke?

  160. Gilas

    Bubbles
    #3304600, posted on January 28, 2020 at 11:43 am

    Ireland has a whole population of Orla Guerins.

    Thank you for raising awareness of this vile, even more virulent sub-species of leftist slag.

    All that’s needed is to look at the silver lining, if its Wikipedia entry is to be believed, this thing has failed to pass its malformed genes to the next generation.

    See? It’s not all bad.

  161. Caveman

    As Scotty said with the Paris agreement, Australia made a deal and we don’t break deals, the government may have made a deal with the China’s to keep the airways open, and we don’t break deals.

  162. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Is this what happens and would ventolin help reduce the symptoms?

    I would seek good medical advice on this. Ventolin loosens the airway tissues; this might help but maybe too it could hinder? I am not someone with clinical expertise and couldn’t venture an answer on this. I only commented on oral anti-inflammatory tablets because reports from Wuhan suggested medicos were using them there with Corona virus suspect cases. Panadol with TLC is my usual recourse, and old-style Codral. 🙂

  163. feelthebern

    There’s breaking news from Chinese authorities.

  164. Roger

    I would say it already is and like any other virus it will have the most affect on the young, sick or elderly whose immune systems are the most weak.

    I seem to recall that it was young adults aged 20-40 who had the highest mortality rate during the 1918 flu pandemic – higher than children or the elderly.

  165. feelthebern

    My staff telling me that Chinese government is telling people not to touch suspected infected patients.

  166. Mother Lode

    Thanks, stackja.

    The article the beginning of which I skimmed (while waiting for coffee) must have been composed before that as they were very clear that some councils around about had declared they would waive fees but that Wingecarribee was not among them.

    The article you posted was from around midday.

    The poor mayor must have agonised on the horns of the dilemma, and finally decided it was more to his (or her) benefit to forego the fees and avoid the public outrage.

    The logic would have been “Which one is better for me.”

    I don’t imagine there will be too much pushback from the other councillors – they are usually very careful to remain faceless and anonymous. Any scrutiny one one particular point would risk inadvertently exposing the forest of misdeeds and excesses that they have been involved in.

  167. feelthebern

    Breaking via the official government wechat channel.

  168. Mother Lode

    Was ‘Old Tom’ none other than the nefarious Bird?

  169. feelthebern

    So expect it to be considerably worse than what the government is saying.

  170. Gilas

    Sinclair Davidson
    #3304618, posted on January 28, 2020 at 11:59 am

    Hi Graeme

    Bye Graeme

    You have watched The Sopranos, haven’t you?

  171. feelthebern

    It’s on WeChat & Weibo.

  172. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    4,295 confirmed cases
    – 106 fatalities
    – 855+ critical

    Shit!

    Let’s hope that milder unconfirmed cases can lower those ratios.
    There is no way we have enough information yet to properly assess this epidemic.
    But unlike climatic ‘science’, we do have to look at a worst case scenario first, and act on it with due caution (as the Chinese have done) because this thing is fast moving.

  173. feelthebern

    A travel ban is certainly coming.

  174. Infidel Tiger

    Gray Connolly
    @GrayConnolly

    “At a media briefing in Hong Kong today, experts from the University of Hong Kong (HKU) estimated that the number of cases in Wuhan as of Jan 25 was dramatically higher than the country’s official totals and may be as high as 44,000.”

    http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/01/experts-ncov-spread-chinas-cities-could-trigger-global-epidemic

  175. calli

    That jerk has Wannan by a swing of just +1.23%.

    Tehan, get ready for a new job.

  176. Roger

    British nationals returning from Wuhan to be quarantined.

    Small problem: the government can only track down 10 of them (seriously).

  177. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Was ‘Old Tom’ none other than the nefarious Bird?

    Looks like it. Birdie, you were once OK, please seek help.

  178. Infidel Tiger

    We are going to have to start isolating Chinese from other people.

    It will be tough, but endless platters of rotting bat should help.

  179. feelthebern

    So according to the official social media accounts of the Chinese government, they are saying WZA virus is more contagious than previously reported & it can be spread via human to human contact, not just breathing & coughing.

  180. feelthebern

    We are going to have to start isolating Chinese from other people.

    It’s past that IT.

  181. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I seem to recall that it was young adults aged 20-40 who had the highest mortality rate during the 1918 flu pandemic – higher than children or the elderly.

    Serious flu epidemics usually have a V shaped curve on an age spread. High in the young and the old, lowest in the healthy yoof proportion of the population.

    The 1918 flu had a W shaped expression. The young and active were very hard hit as well as the very young and immune compromised elderly. I’ve been looking at who is getting it in planes coming from China, the age spread there is amongst the fit and well (21 year old uni student here for eg) but here is bias in that these are the traveler group. Also we are not sure though how seriously these people have been affected.

  182. Mother Lode

    My staff telling me that Chinese government is telling people not to touch suspected infected patients.

    It would be ironic if the source of the virus was discovered to be ground horn from an infected buffalo.

    Seriously though, I get the feeling that Chinese government has liars, spivs, schemers, and ambitious callous misanthropes of a calibre that would beggar the mean talents of our own politicians and make the likes of Photios stickily tumescent.

    There are very few people with power in China who will be looking out for the people in China.

  183. EvilElvis

    A travel ban is certainly coming.

    No, no. Can’t go making decisions like that. We need a bushfire or a good flood to re-sharpen the focus! Fucking governments and bureacrats, they used to be indecisive but now they’re not sure…

  184. Fisky

    China will lose a full month of GDP from this easily.

  185. Roger

    There are very few people with power in China who will be looking out for the people in China.

    Sort of like our government but on a larger scale then.

  186. Mother Lode

    A travel ban is certainly coming.

    Racist!

  187. Fisky

    Hey Scottie, your surplus is gone you idiot. Just shut down the fucking flights already.

  188. Mother Lode

    Is Bird an anti-vaxxer?

  189. Fisky

    Greg Stohr
    @GregStohr
    BREAKING: On 5-4 vote, Supreme Court lets Trump administration start enforcing new immigrant wealth test, designed to screen out green card applicants seen as being at risk of becoming “public charges”.

    Haha!

  190. feelthebern

    Every plane in China must be grounded.
    Every flight out of China currently in the air needs to be turned around or put into quarantine on arrival at their destination.

  191. Dr Faustus

    In Are We Getting Sweaty Yet? news:


    Prince Andrew uncooperative in Jeffrey Epstein sex-trafficking probe, US official says

    Speaking at a news conference outside Epstein’s New York mansion, US federal attorney Geoffrey Berman said prosecutors and the FBI had contacted Prince Andrew’s lawyers and asked to interview him.

    “To date, Prince Andrew has provided zero cooperation,” Mr Berman said.

    The next US-bound Royal?
    (To be fair, P.Andrew probably never considered a grandstanding DA doing proof-by-theatre as someone to cooperate with.)

  192. Roger

    I’ve been looking at who is getting it in planes coming from China, the age spread there is amongst the fit and well (21 year old uni student here for eg) but here is bias in that these are the traveler group.

    Yes, I saw a similar report a few days ago from a virologist – might have been that HK chap who was on the ground in Wuhan. Came with a possible explanation of why viruses do this but I can’t locate it now.

  193. Fisky

    Matt Barrie
    @matt_barrie
    ·
    2m
    Hubei (60m): lockdown, visas & passport issuance suspended
    Jiangsu (80m), Shanghai (20m): work stops inc Foxconn & Samsung factories
    Mongolia, N Korea: close China borders
    Taiwan: suspend Chinese visas
    Kazakhstan: suspend visa free
    Australia: take a pamphlet #auspol #ausbiz

  194. feelthebern

    N Korea

    Pretty sure that China controls that border.

  195. liliana

    “We want to make sure that we continue to send a message that Australia is open for international students.

    What the hell? This guy/government is delusional. ALL flights should have been stopped days ago. At what point are these jokers going realise we have a problem with 10000’s of chinese incubators returning from ground zero to wander around our capital cities. I wonder if the lack of information from our government is due to having to check with Xi first. I won’t trust this government to run a chook raffle. Are they trying to lose the next election?

    Australia must “send a message”

    Agree F…off

  196. Mother Lode

    Sort of like our government but on a larger scale then.

    Yup.

    One difference other than scale is that our government, no matter what they are trying to do, is primarily a sheltered workshop and we can count on their incompetence to mitigate the disasters they would visit upon us – just as their ineptitude causes them to attenuate the benefits of any beneficial scheme that falls into their lap.

  197. Zatara

    Wow. I just watched Alan Dershowitz address the US Senate regarding impeachment.

    That man is truly the adult in the room and worth a watch when his lecture is archived.

  198. Infidel Tiger

    China will lose a full month of GDP from this easily

    And they will still release results showing 6% GDP. And the incredulous fools will still believe them.

    China is in a deep recession already.

  199. Roger

    I wonder if the lack of information from our government is due to having to check with Xi first. I won’t trust this government to run a chook raffle. Are they trying to lose the next election?

    Worse, I’m afraid.

    Our government is following WHO recommendations.

    Yesterday they were still saying it was OK to travel to Wuhan, just skip the bat soup and avoid contact with people with vomitus being ejected from their ears.

  200. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Came with a possible explanation of why viruses do this but I can’t locate it now.

    Roger, I don’t know what his explanation was, but sometimes it is about herd immunity when it is a flu variety. The midpoint of the W and around it to the left are all people not exposed to previous flu epidemics so there is no residual resistance. At the high point of the W are people with less immuno-experience of flu and yet in highly active interactive social worlds, at work etc, rearing children etc. There are many factors one could suggest. It may be that there is some function to do with immune systems at peak performance in the mid range of life that also puts up a ferocious and over-blown and paradoxically losing battle (that’s just my guess btw).

    There is not much herd immunity to the Corona type of viruses.

  201. The cool people have been on the new thread for ages.

  202. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Cassie of Sydney at 11:21 am:

    “Old Tom Parr
    #3304560, posted on January 28, 2020 at 11:15 am
    Should we really be this nasty to a veteran? Its getting a bit over the top isn’t it?”

    A veteran of what?

    And who made you the chief censor here?”

    then, nek minnit from His Doomlordship Sinclair Davidson Dada, Lord of All the Beasts of the Earth and Fishes of the Seas, at 11:59 am:

    “Hi Graeme

    Bye Graeme”

    That was pretty to watch, yes – a swift and proportionate response! 😉

  203. Gab

    CDC has issued a level 3 warning for travel to CHina. Level 3 = avoid all non-essential travel to China.

    Meanwhile, in Australia, there’s no warning on the Smart Traveller website.

  204. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Anyone looking for a gentle and amusing flik: ‘The Guernsey Literary and Potato Peel Pie Society on Netflix tickles all the right spots.

  205. Roger

    Roger, I don’t know what his explanation was, but sometimes it is about herd immunity when it is a flu variety. The midpoint of the W and around it to the left are all people not exposed to previous flu epidemics so there is no residual resistance.

    That seems to have been the case in 1918, Lizzie. 20-40 year olds had not been exposed to that flu type before, whereas older folk had. Add to that soldiers returning from the war etc..

  206. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Sorry, computer did ‘submit’ before I had time to say I’ve read the book and seen the film. The book is better but the film is pretty good too; nice and gentle as Bubbles says, and we do need to take our minds off viruses and onto other less disturbing things (I do anyway). I must return to the Lives of the fifth century Saints and their inexplicable (not to me) desire to ‘best’ Arthur, where I have been stalled all week due to chasing up details of this virus; I haven’t done any real epidemiology since topping a med faculty cohort in it in the mid-eighties but I do like to keep my epidemiological eye open. I’ve still kept my major textbooks, as the basic stuff doesn’t change.

  207. Tel

    We want to make sure that we continue to send a message that Australia is open for international students.

    In case there was ever a doubt about who the Australian government is working for.

  208. cohenite

    Some idiot recently praised prince chuck; Judith Sloan does a hit job on this inbred fucking idiot:

    Prince Charles could be the UK minister for silly talks
    Judith Sloan The Australian January 28, 2020
    I am a lukewarm supporter of Australia becoming a republic. If acceptable details of a republican model could be worked out, I’d be on board. My enthusiasm is amplified, however, by the prospect of the ascension of Charles to the throne. King Charles III — oh no. Please spare us this proselytising buffoon who believes his half-baked propositions are worthy of our attention.
    There’s irony here: many high-profile republicans would support Charles’s views on all manner of issues, particularly his radical ideas about climate change.
    My reservation about a King Charles is not just his dimwitted views but also his enthusiasm to broadcast them when given the opportunity. So much for the notion of phlegmatic, reserved monarchs who keep their opinions to themselves.
    The Queen has acquitted her role as the head of state with formality, reserve and tact. We can only guess at her views on various topics, which is as it should be.
    Charles has been spouting extremist views on climate change for some time. Not that it is something we need to work on, but that we are on the brink of destruction is his favourite theme.
    Mind you, maths is not a strong suit. In 2009 at the doomed Copenhagen climate conference, he declared that we had seven years “before we lose the levers of control”. He claimed human beings were “intent on consuming the planet … Our children and grandchildren will ask not what our generation said, but what it did. Let us give an answer of which we can be proud.” This is from the man who couldn’t really claim to be father (or grandfather) of the year.
    Fast forward to 2015, Prince Charles had revised his views, now insisting that we had 35 years to the apocalypse. Sensing perhaps that 35 years was simply not scary enough, last year he changed his mind again, declaring we have just 10 years. Speaking in New Zealand — no, he didn’t get there by boat or walk — he claimed “we have reached a tipping point but we still have the ability to change course”.
    He added that “we have abused nature, exploited her and given her nothing back in return. Nothing is sacred any more, we are reaping a loss of biodiversity and experiencing the impacts of climate changes. We urgently need to pay the mounting debt.” (Perhaps he should have gone into acting or applied for a job with The Guardian.)
    But just to demonstrate that a monarch-in-waiting has a prerogative to chop and change at will, the 10-year period has been cut back to just 18 months in his most recent declaration of the time until environmental destruction is inevitable. “I am firmly of the view that the next 18 months will decide our ability to keep climate change to survivable levels and to restore nature to the equilibrium we need for our survival.”
    And then we come to his meandering rant at the World Economic Forum in Davos last week. Travelling by fuel-guzzling private jet — he had to go on to the Holocaust memorial ceremony, we were told — his latest statements were along well-worn lines.
    With 17-year-old Greta Thunberg the future King Chuck posed this florid question: “Do we want to go down in history as the people who didn’t do anything to bring the world back from the brink?” Evidently, “the only limit is our willingness to act and the time to act is now”.
    He then begged the woke crowd, including more than a few of the world’s billionaires, to accept “a paradigm shift” (a popular business buzz phrase from about two decades ago) that “inspires action at revolutionary levels and pace … to avoid the approaching catastrophe”.
    And to think this man could be our king. It really should send shivers down the spine of many sensible people. What he wants to do is impose a “new economic model”, globally, of course, that involves hardships for hardworking people while possibly little affecting the lifestyles of those such as himself and his family.
    Of course, more generally, this is the view of the elite poseurs who can afford to attend these extraordinarily expensive shindigs in the Swiss Alps.
    Now you might conclude that the influence of a slightly ludicrous ageing prince who has been hanging around most of his life waiting to inherit the throne is close to zero. But I’m not sure that’s entirely true Let’s not forget his “black spider” memos in which he has provided gratuitous advice to British government ministers, using his access to highly confidential documents. He also expresses some curious views about modern architecture.
    His snub last week of US Vice-President Mike Pence at the Holocaust memorial was unforgivable, particularly given his warm embrace of Russia’s dictator-president Vladimir Putin. The US is the closest ally of the UK, as Charles would know.
    Then there is the promotion by Charles of the discredited practice of homoeopathy and its anti-science position on disease prevention and management. Last year, he accepted the position of patron of the Faculty of Homoeopathy, thereby endorsing this dubious practice.
    His intervention in the past has extended to telling the then health secretary that “an anti-homoeopathy campaign” was damaging the health service. He said he “couldn’t bear to see people suffering … when a complementary approach could make the difference”, with a focus on depression, back pain, eczema and irritable bowel syndrome. Thanks for that, Dr Chuck.
    The fact the National Health Service’s chief executive describes homoeopathy as “at best a placebo and a misuse of NHS funds” appears to have made not the slightest difference to Charles.

    If the crown comes to this shithead when Madge dies the royals Corgi guts.

  209. Tel

    I seem to recall that it was young adults aged 20-40 who had the highest mortality rate during the 1918 flu pandemic – higher than children or the elderly.

    Getting kidnapped, stuffed into a uniform, made to sleep in a dirty, wet, cold trench in a French paddock, eating shit food and with random explosive devices going off around you can under some circumstances weaken your immune system … even if you are in the prime years of your life.

  210. Boambee John

    Lizzie at 1122

    Individual schools make their own decisions but the advice from the Australian government is to follow our medical advice,” he told ABC radio. “We want to make sure that we continue to send a message that Australia is open for international students.

    I am not sure if we are governed by idiots advised by fools, or by fools advised by idiots!

    As well as tge above stupidity from Tehan, we had our Health (!?!?!?) MinisterHunt on the radio this morning, assuring us that there is no evidence of person to person transmission! Presumably the only common factor is everyone had a meal of raw bat!

    Foxtrot uniform charlie kilo whisky india tangos all.

  211. max

    Yesterday, the predicted peak for infections was March/ April. There’s a way to go yet.

    At the moment it’s a Chinese problem but we will all get to share because we have the good fortune of living in the most successful multi culti country on earth.

  212. stackja

    Insurance can’t handle the bush fire damage.

  213. Farmer Gez

    On a houseboat in Kerala. It’s the usual tourist thing but well worth the effort & money.
    We bought local fish and king tiger prawns for the chef to fry up with local spices, yum yum pig’s bum. We asked for pancakes in the morning and he served up thin crepes with a sweet coconut filling.
    The absolute best meals we’ve had in India so far.

  214. Steve trickler

    The Adventures of Avi.



  215. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV) at 10:12 am:

    “more incoherent testimonies at weinstein trial”

    and from calli at 10:21 am:

    “Surely s good kick in the groin would have sufficed for these women. A fat sixty year old is not particularly nimble.

    He’s a grub, sure. I wonder how many women actually said “no” and meant it? And if he had such a bad reputation, why invite him in? Dumb and conniving.”

    I was led to believe modern wymminses were empowered and that it was sustainably embedded in their new independent personas – with the exception of paying for a feed, the cost of the new Mazda CX5 and the holiday in Tahiti. They never have any money, so they easily revert to the old currency to get what they want – an activity in which they can excel.

    Which takes me back to Harvey. These sweet innocents well knew why they “found themselves” in his company. They wanted something he could provide and you can put the rent money on them being well aware of the cost.

    All the girlses, including Astonished Queen Meryl and their modern day “PT Barnum”, the bloated Oprah, would have been well apprised over time about who was up who for the rent. Self important wymminses cannot keep secrets about this sort of thing for more than a day and a half and, when they’re not getting any, the gossip is like nourishing Vitamin D.

    You would reckon the performance by the leathery faced lying Christine Blasey Ford had put paid to the credibility of sheilas on the make, relying on invented r*pe event events from 40 years ago. But no, the vacuous audience applaud that monster – they have no brains.

    Harvey’s manner and morality was there for all to see, he left no doubt.

    The greater offence is these skanks making up fables for money, lying every step of the way and claiming they are better than the ugly fat toad they invited to pull down his pants and grunt and groan and slobber all over them.

  216. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    advanced mitigation proceedures
    Toronto Now Has Two Coronavirus Cases
    Toronto public health is working “flat out” to try to contact those passengers on the couple’s Jan. 22 flight from Beijing most at risk of infection – people in the three rows in front of and behind the pair’s own seats, said Dr. Eileen De Villa, the city’s medical officer of health.

  217. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Chartered flights out of Wuhan to bring home Japanese nationals will not operate on Tuesday as originally planned due to ongoing arrangements with Chinese authorities, a person with direct knowledge of the situation said.

    The Japanese government has said it was working as quickly as possible with local authorities to help repatriate any of its citizens who wish to return from Wuhan, the epicenter of a coronavirus outbreak.

  218. Biota

    Farmer Gez
    #3304738, posted on January 28, 2020 at 2:01 pm
    Kerala, been there on the houseboat back in 2013. Terrific place all around and lovely people.

  219. Speedbox

    feelthebern
    #3304568, posted on January 28, 2020 at 11:22 am
    Anyone been to Wedge Island?

    If you mean Wedge Island, South Australia – Yes, full of snakes.

    If you mean Wedge Island, Western Australia – No.

  220. Biota

    I might add that I did observe a mobile drug dispersing unit by canoe doing the rounds in the canals.

  221. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    what could possibly go wrong
    total of 4130 medical workers from across the country have arrived in #Wuhan and another 1800 medical staff will arrive later today, said Jiao Yahui from the Bureau of Medical Administration at the National Health Commission on Tue.

  222. Geriatric Mayfly

    Maybe Dan Tehan can be bought off with an Aldi bag full of canned Bat Soup Consommé to shut him up.

  223. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Shy Ted, that poem brought me to tears. What a good soul you are to share it. Showed it to Hairy who also teared up and said we don’t know we’re born, do we? Someone here said yesterday, Bruce of Newcastle I think, that life is just a vale of tears for most people, and that is so true, but still how lucky we are to live in our times not earlier. Well, I say that till tomorrow, anyway. If we have hard times ahead, we can face them with a smile at least thinking of the good times we’ve had and of all the joy there is to be found in the world if you look hard for it.

  224. Cassie of Sydney

    “Harvey’s manner and morality was there for all to see, he left no doubt.

    The greater offence is these skanks making up fables for money, lying every step of the way and claiming they are better than the ugly fat toad they invited to pull down his pants and grunt and groan and slobber all over them.”

    Mick…I think that is a perfect summation of Harvey.

  225. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Tehan’s had to eat his own words because the instruction now to all parents of schoolchildren who have been in China recently is to self-isolate them by keeping them at home for two weeks.

    I can’t for the life of me think of why this was not just automatically the response much earlier. We have no hesitation in saying to individual chicken pox cases that you have to keep your child at home for at least ten days. It’s not doing anything outrageous to request a particular exposed cohort to do the same thing.

  226. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    total of 4130 medical workers from across the country have arrived in #Wuhan and another 1800 medical staff will arrive later today, said Jiao Yahui from the Bureau of Medical Administration at the National Health Commission on Tue.

    For the new hospitals I guess, and maybe for some outreach care (putting up drips, bringing portable oxygen etc) to those in home isolation. Looks as though they may be getting a handle on some of the need that people have been showing on local internet sites pleading for help.

    I hope our own public health people have some outreach care planned too in case it is needed. From current performance they don’t seem to have a very good handle of things so far. I haven’t looked into our own emergency departments in hospitals to see if they are even shunting off snifflers to separate premises not fronting them up to the main desk and waiting room. I hope that they are; least they can do.

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