Open Forum: January 25, 2020

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  1. feelthebern

    Just wait until those seals want payback for all that ball balancing on their nose shit.

  2. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Also the mortality rate could be hugely overblown too. We just don’t have enough facts.

    it’s basically a highly contagious form of pneumonia. standard pneumonia has a fatality rate of 5-10%, higher for elderly and severe cases. that’s with hospital treatment.

    the current fatality stats are 41 out of 1100, with laging fatality rate.

    the people and doctors dropping in videos are probably suffering sepsis.

    14 cities on lockdown now, pop of 36m

  3. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Now, we hear that he was a double medallist.

    As indeed he was, and still is, Johanna. I can’t understand why you go out of your tree about this. Hairy is by far the more important in career terms of my two spouses. I had thought if I mentioned both of my first husband’s medals a while back you’d have a collapse in absolute conniptions, as you seem now to be doing. I only mentioned a while back now that his medal was gained in a highly cerebral area, as I did too yesterday, in order to make a strong point about genetic tendencies to autism being variably expressed, ending up as deleteriously expressed in one of my children and that child’s child. He was only my first husband, please recall, and not always the best link for an outsider to my second one. You should nevertheless respect his privacy; he doesn’t come here at all. I know Sinc would support that, for a genuine doxing online here is one of the sins that bins.

    I’ve never lied about my life or my relationships. Incomplete information sometimes, that’s all. Everyone does that.

    Medalist has one ‘l’, btw.

  4. Overburdened

    KD

    As Faith No More advised,

    The drummer from def leppard’s only got one arm

  5. feelthebern

    Bruce, the first sign of the Wuhan virus is being anti nuclear strikes.
    Please self quarantine & alert the authorities.

  6. feelthebern

    Lizzie, forget the Canberra drunk.
    What was it like being married to one of Metallica?

  7. Infidel Tiger

    Kirsty Needham

    @KirstyLNeedham
    6h6 hours ago
    MoreKirsty Needham Retweeted People’s Daily, China
    Chinese military sent into Wuhan hospitals Saturday, Chinese media reports. There have been heartbreaking videos circulated on social media of exhausted Wuhan medical staff.

    https://twitter.com/KirstyLNeedham/status/1220801386704601089

  8. Who knew maths could actually be important to us after school ?

    “extrapolating based on the official spread figures. you get 500 infections in a week, 19,000 in 2 weeks, 330,000 in 3 weeks and 5.6m in 4 weeks”.

    Viral epidemics end when the virus runs out of susceptible hosts.
    It should be over soon.

  9. feelthebern

    IT, stop posting fake news.
    That picture is clearly from New Mexico.

  10. Gilas

    Calm down chaps and chapettes!

    Coronavirus, in the hierarchy of symptomatic viral pathogens, sits somewhere between simple flu/gastro viruses (rhinoV, adenoV, rheoV etc..) and a-long-way-below measles/mumps/rubella.

    It’s a looooooong way below smallpox, varicella, ebola, marburg, the various HIVs etc…

    The only people at real risk of significant pathology, but with low prevalence, will be the usual suspects, the frail/elderly, the very young (< 6-months of age), and the ones with multiple chronic respiratory conditions: bronchiectasis, COPD and people who have fucked their lungs occupationally etc…

    Of course, it helps if these people live in shithole countries with poor levels of sanitation, public health standards and facilities etc.. China included.

    It's the usual alarmist-panic-armageddon news complex at work. They should all be executed promptly, and with prejudice.

    Try boring Malaria or Staph Aureus.. with upcoming antibiotic resistance strains. Now there you may have reason for some actual concern!

  11. Knuckle Dragger

    In ‘My PR Team Told Me This Would Be Easy’ news:

    ‘An Aussie doctor’s reported trademark feud with Prince Harry and Meghan Markle has taken a twist. A Dr Benjamin Worcester, from Victoria, was named on an opposition notice to the Duke and Duchess’ trade name.

    ‘The notice opened the floodgates to a wave of claims against Prince Harry and Meghan’s bid to trademark the name Sussex Royal, delaying their business launch. Since then three other applications have been filed as others try to cash in on the couple’s name.

    ‘But, a man who identified himself as Dr Benjamin Worcester, who is originally from the UK but lives in Melbourne’s southeastern suburbs, said he has “no idea” how his name ended up on an application to block the couple’s Sussex Royal brand.

    ‘He believes someone else put his name on the application.

    ‘Lee Curtis, a trademark lawyer at HGF, said the original notice had prompted more people to challenge the royals, which is as simple as filling in a form for free.’

    Gets better and better.

  12. Overburdened

    Being a bloke of stoical constitution I can put up with a lot of shit.

    Having someone being a needlessly spiteful and nasty piece of shit and then telling them to cheer up it a step too far.

    IMO the female antagonists deserve each other, and should confine their self absorbed fuckery to each other and leave blokes out of it.

    Best if they argue in private rather than disturb blokes’ feng shui.

    About to head out to nevernever(internet) land now.

    Thank fuck.

  13. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Linguistic facility is fascinating with regard to autism also.

    I have never found it difficult to use language, nor did my schizophrenic mother who had considerable talent at learning languages on the factory floor with all-nations employed where she once worked. My eldest son had a wonderful flair early on with metaphoric spin that went inter-galactic in originality, winning an international poetry prize as a young man, but going nowhere due to other deficits; in his mid-life he is gaining more perspective and can try to harness that spin now, so I encourage him. He still can’t fill in a form properly though. Les Murray, a wordsmith of undoubted excellence, had a fairly severely autistic son (probably level 2, like my intellectually incisive grandson aged ten who still toe-walks everywhere and has problems holding a pen or doing up a button; level 3 is the complete disability level where language is often absent). My eldest son’s father though was not poetically adept at all, his talent was numeric and laser-incisive; thus philosophical logic was his forte. Eldest son however has a certain incisiveness; he can pull a computer apart in five seconds and put it back together again, with his son also joining in with that.

    There are huge talents and small deficits and a range of interests in all of my other three kids too. Parents see these things and wise parents just go with the flow, encouraging where they can. DNA is extraordinary stuff (a good argument for God?), and I’m not even going into epigenetics yet, Mitch. 🙂

  14. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Novel coronavirus 2019-nCoV: early estimation of epidemiological parameters and epidemic predictions

    We estimate the basic reproduction number of the infection (R_0) to be 3.8 (95% confidence interval, 3.6-4.0), indicating that 72-75% of transmissions must be prevented by control measures for infections to stop increasing. We estimate that only 5.1% (95%CI, 4.8-5.5) of infections in Wuhan are identified, and by 21 January a total of 11,341 people (prediction interval, 9,217-14,245) had been infected in Wuhan since the start of the year. Should the epidemic continue unabated in Wuhan, we predict the epidemic in Wuhan will be substantially larger by 4 February (191,529 infections; prediction interval, 132,751-273,649), infection will be established in other Chinese cities, and importations to other countries will be more frequent. Our model suggests that travel restrictions from and to Wuhan city are unlikely to be effective in halting transmission across China; with a 99% effective reduction in travel, the size of the epidemic outside of Wuhan may only be reduced by 24.9% on 4 February. Our findings are critically dependent on the assumptions underpinning our model, and the timing and reporting of confirmed cases, and there is considerable uncertainty associated with the outbreak at this early stage. With these caveats in mind, our work suggests that a basic reproductive number for this 2019-nCoV outbreak is higher compared to other emergent coronaviruses, suggesting that containment or control of this pathogen may be substantially more difficult.

  15. Nick

    Of course, it helps if these people live in shithole countries with poor levels of sanitation, public health standards and facilities etc.. China included.

    Sadly,if expunging snot, phlegm and open mouthed coughing, were Olympic events, the Chinese would win.

    One thing to consider. Your average Chinese does not wear a mask because they worry they might infect you, oh no, fuck you, they couldn’t care less who they infected. They wear masks because they think ‘other’ dirtbags will make them sick.

  16. JC

    Woolfe

    Nothing personal, but your tv watching choice is quite appalling.

    The Expanse, crap

    Homecoming, crap

    Justified, more of the series on Netflix

    The Shield, dunno

    Marvelous Ms Maisel, borrrring

    Jack Ryan, borrring. Mostly, just a chase around European city streets.

    The Boys , Is that a movie?

    Goliath, first two seasons were good. The last season was absolutely dreadful.

    The Terror, Dunno

    Bosch (brilliant), SBS had it, no?

    Hand of God, Dunno
    Blue Bloods, Free to air in Australia
    Start up, Boring script.

  17. Gilas

    Oh, I forgot to add:

    Pneumonia (bacterial, mostly) was called “The old man’s friend” as it dealt effectively with natural, increasing frailty at the arse-end of life.
    It was an unremarkable, widespread (relatively high-incidence) disease in the pre-antibiotic/hospital ICU era (pre 1940s).
    The real tragedy was in its more discriminate incidence in the very young.

    But now that we are all used to living forever, avoiding natural cell apoptotic mechanisms, we can enjoy dying from the effects of chronic body abuse, cancers or neuro-degenerative diseases, a far more traumatic, dehumanising, and [email protected] expensive experience.

    Make of that what you will.

  18. Knuckle Dragger

    Unnecessary Detail in Internet Headlines #1

    The Hun: ‘Chinese Coronavirus Hits Melbourne’

    As an aside, a mate of mine relates a longstanding joke amongst the constabulary:

    Q. Why do cops like Chinese food so much?
    A. Because upper management take advice from the fucking fortune cookies.

  19. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Lizzie, forget the Canberra drunk.
    What was it like being married to one of Metallica?

    Substitute the LSD freak for drunk in those early marital years and you’d be right. He’s a real sober-sides these day in all ways. Going vegan of course to save da planet.

    It was great being married to one of Metallica. Remind me again; when was that? 😀

  20. Leigh Lowe

    Knuckle Dragger

    #3301802, posted on January 25, 2020 at 12:44 pm

    I am watching a replay of Day 1 of the RSA v Pom Test in Jaapieland.

    It would appear that Joel Wilson, demonstrably the worst Test umpire in human history has kept his lucrative contract with the ICC.

    He is still having his shit decisions reversed.

    He could join the Victorian Supreme Court.

  21. JD

    For the sanctity of life. What a great President.

  22. JC

    it’s basically a highly contagious form of pneumonia. standard pneumonia has a fatality rate of 5-10%, higher for elderly and severe cases. that’s with hospital treatment.

    the current fatality stats are 41 out of 1100, with laging fatality rate.

    the people and doctors dropping in videos are probably suffering sepsis.

    14 cities on lockdown now, pop of 36m

    Zip

    It’s too early to figure out the mortality rate because we also don’t know what’s going on outside of hospitals. Have people contracted the virus away from hospitals and recuperated? Shit like that impact the stats.

    Stay calm and go wash the mobile living room.

  23. Zatara

    Responsible voter questions Warren about her forgiveness of college loans platform.

    “I just wanted to ask one question. My daughter is getting out of school. I saved all my money to pay for it. She doesn’t have any student loans. Am I going to get my money back?” he said.

    “Of course not,” Warren said.

    “So you’re going to pay for people who didn’t save any money and those of us who did the right thing get screwed,” the man said pushing back on the fake Indian.

    “No, you’re not going to get screwed,” Warren said.

    “Of course we do. My buddy had fun, bought a car, went on vacations. I saved my money. He made more than I did. But I worked a double shift, worked extra — my daughter has worked since she was 10. So, you’re laughing.”

    “No, I’m not,” Warren said.

    “Yeah, that’s exactly what you’re doing,” he said before abruptly walking away. “We did the right thing, and we get screwed.”

    Welcome to reality.

  24. Knuckle Dragger

    There is still a penis on the banner.

    I still don’t know what a university medal is.

    My life is spiralling out of control.

  25. woolfe

    Is the yellow wiggle dead yet?

  26. JD

    KD, you need this: from a bunch of Vikings who missed the boat to the Carolinas 🙂

  27. max

    I love ABC RN on the weekend morning walk. One of the topics this morning was Burning country

    Jonathan Green this morning had some abo chick on who’d written something or other. I enjoyed the way Green kept working ‘invasion day’ into the interview instead of ‘Australia Day’. There was often a little pause before the phrase so that we understood how daring and transgressive he was being. It seemed to be a given that Aust. Day has been superseded by ID in ordinary conversation.

  28. JC

    Zip, please tell me it’s not powder blue.

  29. cohenite

    The Expanse, crap

    Shut up head prefect.

  30. Nick

    I still don’t know what a university medal is.

    Order of the Leazo, first class with Lenin clasp.

  31. 2dogs

    I still don’t know what a university medal is.

    An academic award given to a graduating student. Typically, a university will only grant one of these a year across all courses.

  32. Tailgunner

    Knuckles, my girlfriend in year 12 had a quote published in our gay yearbook thing….
    “Yeah, Matt’s ok, even if he is a sexist pig”
    😄😄
    I’ve got form lol
    If you act like a traditional man these days, that’s half game,recognised.
    But these woke witches? Sheeeit, all the protests are led by screeching chicks!
    But the woke chick boycott will start having an effect.
    :Covington kid smirk:

  33. JC

    Cronkers

    A person who rides around in a Corolla and watches snuff vids, you really shouldn’t be commenting on TV series.

    You STFU

  34. Gilas

    OK, last post, I promise.

    Somewhere up-thread there is mention of viral spread occurring during the virus-incubation period.

    Really? Well, duh!

    Let’s alrm and concern the dumb populus some more!

    This is the way viruses have been known to spread since they were first studied in the 1920s, when virology was still a wee, cute, incontinent infant.
    In other late-breaking news: scientists discover that night follows day.

  35. Fair Shake of the Sauce Bottle

    I work for a large multi from Europe. Just completed staff assessments. One area for review is ‘diversity collaboration’ . How did they promote, engage, support …multi culti and diversity. You just know If they weren’t for it, they will be cut from the herd.

    I laughed when I recalled one of the women who works for telling me she can’t stand the Chinese. I almost spat the coffee out. She then went on to explain and had sound reasoning. Anyway she is from Singapore. Go figure. L

  36. JC

    Cronkers

    You know I like you. Stop trying to squabble with me.

    And it’s Head Coach.

  37. Nick

    It seemed to be a given that Aust. Day has been superseded by ID in ordinary conversation.

    Pity the Left have forgotten that anyone who really wants to lead a tribal, nomadic life, without whitey’s toxic invasion goodies, can. For Green and others, the spawn of invaders, there is a perfectly good airport close t hand.

  38. cohenite

    You’re a lowlife head prefect like your sleezy kunt mate, stalker.

    Now do better, I’ve got a spare hour and I need to have a decent argument before I go and do something important.

  39. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    There is still a penis on the banner.

    and why is the penis talking to a wizard?

  40. Infidel Tiger

    Now do better, I’ve got a spare hour and I need to have a decent argument before I go and do something important.

    Have you watched any child porn today to remind yourself that pedifilia is abhorrent?

    Eternal vigilance!

  41. C.L.

    We’re always being told the Chinese are going to rule the world.
    They eat diseased bats (with chop sticks).

  42. EvilElvis

    As Faith No More advised

    “Without meeeee, you’re only you!”

    Great, great band.

  43. Zatara

    There is still a penis on the banner.

    Or a landscape shot of polyps in a colon after a vindaloo night.

  44. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘An academic award given to a graduating student. Typically, a university will only grant one of these a year across all courses.’

    Finally, getting somewhere. So it’s like the dux of a course, except it’s the dux of duxes. One per year, per university.

    Goohoogle tells me there are 43 universities in Australia. So, there are potentially 43 of these things handed out per year, every year. So since 2010 there have been 430 university medals handed out.

    Is it an actual medal, like an Olympic medal or is it a certificate called a medal that you hang up somewhere?

  45. mh

    Gilas, are your for or against eating diseased bats? 🦇 🤢

  46. Infidel Tiger

    We’re always being told the Chinese are going to rule the world.
    They eat diseased bats (with chop sticks).

    They can’t walk through a shopping centre or down a footpath without bumping into things or causing havoc.

    Hopeless people.

  47. Knuckle Dragger

    Elvis,

    Faith No More. Yes.

    I know it’s a cover and I know it’s commercial, but ‘Easy’ still gives me shivers.

  48. Nick

    Is it an actual medal,

    Yes. You can wear it on Lenin’s birthday when Universities have their foundation March.
    Each Corps is represented, illustrating their continued fight against white, heterosexual, capitalist hegemony.
    Lesbian, Indigenous, the Transgendered, turban and towel wearers, battalion after battalion.

  49. EvilElvis

    KD,

    Don’t you look so surprised,
    Happy Birthday!
    Fucker.

    Timeless…

  50. Old School Conservative

    BrettW
    #3301661, posted on January 25, 2020 at 10:19 am
    Courier Mail today has column about the Qld Firefighters Union resisting and preventing the Premiers push to get 50/50 ratio of male and female firefighters

    I’m quite sure NSW Fire and Rescue has been on the quota-for-women bandwaggon for some years now.
    To make sure it doesn’t go completely to pieces, they run introductory women-only courses for aspiring recruits to experience the physical aptitude test before they get mugged by reality.
    No such help for men.

  51. max

    Death from coronavirus seems much nastier than death from mumps. Multiple organ failure involved. Caveat: I know nothing. Gilas sounds more knowledgeable.

  52. cohenite

    Have you watched any child porn today to remind yourself that pedifilia is abhorrent?

    My enquiries inform me you’ve cornered the market so I’ll be advised by you, you being a superior whatever you reckon I am. Speaking of snuff films, as a matter of interest how would you like to go; I sense a pencil neck so maybe garrotting for maximum filmic effect. Again I’ll be advised by you.

  53. Knuckle Dragger

    Non Faith No More people;

    That was an in joke. It is not my birthday.

    Public service announcement.

  54. Infidel Tiger

    I know it’s a cover and I know it’s commercial, but ‘Easy’ still gives me shivers.

    Mike Patton recorded that as a pisstake and to his eternal horror it went Number 1.

    Such a good live band.

    I saw them in Perth just after a man had stolen a tank from Irwin Barracks and driven it though the city. They dedicated RV to him!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_Perth_tank_rampage

    You used to be able to see all the heavy vehicles in an open tin shed off Brockway Rd. Army left them there with the keys in them!

  55. EvilElvis

    Overburdened, I applaud you’re inability to get the band right yet throw one out which has riled up the back row. Thank you.

    The Bloodhound Gang it was.

  56. Nick

    Faith No More are good live.
    Def Leppard are a guilty pleasure in the car, full volume.

  57. Gilas

    mh
    #3301921, posted on January 25, 2020 at 2:15 pm

    Gilas, are your for or against eating diseased bats?

    I could say.. but modesty forbids. 😘

  58. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Our findings are critically dependent on the assumptions underpinning our model, and the timing and reporting of confirmed cases, and there is considerable uncertainty associated with the outbreak at this early stage.

    If only climate scientists were as honest as epidemiologists about their limitations.

    Even so, the following sentence to the piece above doesn’t give too much hope for a swift containment. Epidemics do wear out eventually. There is such a thing as ‘an epidemic curve’. Human populations are resilient, although many epidemics in the past were slaughterers; then the disease likely became endemic. ‘Flu like diseases such as ‘the sweating sickness’ have always broken loose.

    A good book for general readers an epidemic of ‘flu without much in the way of control measures and treatment can be found in ‘The Great Influenza, The Epic Story of the Deadliest Plague in History” by John M Barry. Viking 2004, Penguin 2005. Here a very mobile de-mobilizing group of soldiers from WW1 were the carriers; today it is modern aircraft. But populations are much better nourished and medical care to sustain life over the onslaught is greatly improved too. Still, early on people do just drop dead in the street. Hillary Mantel’s Wolf Hall has one of the most distressing renditions of this sort of thing happening within a family, scarring the rest of them for life too. About Cromwell, in the early modern Tudor times.

  59. Nick

    That filthy Chinese cove. You don’t drink sprite with a premier cru wine!

  60. Dr Faustus

    Finally, getting somewhere. So it’s like the dux of a course, except it’s the dux of duxes. One per year, per university.

    Not so fast.
    Most universities hand out multiple Medals each year. Mostly to high academic achievers, but also a special reserve for a virtue signalling scatter amongst the Very Well Deserved.

  61. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I saw them in Perth just after a man had stolen a tank from Irwin Barracks and driven it though the city. They dedicated RV to him!

    It wasn’t a tank at all, the vehicle involved was an Armoured Personnel Carrier (A.P.C.) – completely different from a tank.

  62. Infidel Tiger

    It wasn’t a tank at all, the vehicle involved was an Armoured Personnel Carrier (A.P.C.) – completely different from a tank.

    “That’s not a vibrator, it’s a dildo. See, it doesn’t have any batteries.”

  63. Tailgunner

    What’s with the fresh tomato hate,Z?

  64. Dr Faustus

    Quite appropriate that the Apocalypse should appear first in Sodom on Yarra.

  65. feelthebern

    Def Leppard are a guilty pleasure in the car, full volume.

    10-15 years ago Def Leppard toured Oz.
    Cheap Trick was the warm up act.
    I saw them out at the dome thing at Homebush.
    Was an ok gig.
    Not great.
    They needed more lip syncing.

  66. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Is it an actual medal, like an Olympic medal or is it a certificate called a medal that you hang up somewhere?

    I’m talking about the 70’s; it was an actual medal, quite a big one, and they were rare, awarded by departmental area in concert with the Faculty (Arts, Medicine etc) as I recall. Quite often only one and sometimes not granted at all. A double medal, never coterminous, always sequential, one honours year followed by another honours year in a different area, was very rare at that time. Sandstones were very careful to award them only to those they could justify going on to Harvard or Oxford with their work.

    These days, well, I wonder. My son with Hairy is married to a clever lady with a double university medal from what we used to call Kenso Tech, and they seem to be more frequent these days. Times do change in these things. Distinctions seem to be almost the norm for the smarter ones, and High Distinctions too don’t always signify exceptional, which they should. I worked with someone who was a double medalist from a second tier place, and he was definitely imho second tier himself.

  67. feelthebern

    One of my regrets was not seeing Audioslave or Chris Cornell when he toured solo.
    RIP.

  68. The genset is having its monthly run in the background.
    The four garbage bins have been cleaned and are ready for a garbage bag and a fillup.
    The guns have been cleaned and checked.
    The pantry is as full as it could be.
    The barbie has a new bottle, and the vehicles both have full tanks.
    The fuel dump is chockers.
    The bottled water store has been topped up.
    The bush knives and jousting sticks are ready.
    Zombies.
    If there are no damn Zombies, I am going to be sooo pissed off.

  69. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘Most universities hand out multiple Medals each year.’

    Okay.

    Much more frequently awarded than they were, and there are potentially thousands of the things frisbeed about in this day and age.

    Got it, and appreciated.

    Final question/s. What does it do? Does it help you get a job, is it valued as a CV addition or is it simply an in-house appreciation type of thing?

  70. Mitch M.

    So what will kill more poeple: the new flu or the panic about it?

  71. feelthebern

    KD, in the olden days when a university medal was larger, one could rest the tea pot on it.

  72. calli

    I was friends with a medalist once. Really nice guy, Sydney Uni. Went on to be a perfessor in Doomlord’s field of achievement.

    As I understand it, only one awarded that year for outstanding scholarship.

  73. Nick

    One of my regrets was not seeing Audioslave or Chris Cornell when he toured solo.
    RIP.

    He had a great voice, though Soundgarden were sadly underwhelming

  74. Entropy

    In my work I often come across resumes of some pretty smart people with a University Medals. If I was to make an observation about University Medallists, it would be that they seem a bit overweight in both Law degrees and ALP connections.

  75. feelthebern

    I’m thinking about a plot of land & having my dream house built.
    The first thing planned is a compound like structure.
    I’m surprised that all new houses don’t have these.

  76. calli

    I think he hid the medal in the dock drawer. I only found out through another friend.

    Or maybe it was used as a plant saucer.

  77. Some History

    Just released.

    Greta Thunberg Incorporated: The Exposé

  78. Top Ender

    It wasn’t a tank at all, the vehicle involved was an Armoured Personnel Carrier (A.P.C.) – completely different from a tank.

    Or as Mrs TE has been wont to say, “a tankie thing”.

    Journalists are the same. On one memorable occasion, one was filmed, with his back to HMAS Melbourne the aircraft carrier, saying “I’m standing in front of the Navy’s largest battleship.”

    Question: what’s the difference between a frigate and a destroyer?

  79. calli

    Ahah!

    Sock drawer.

    I have been gardening and have docks on the brain (now in the bin).

  80. feelthebern

    I’ve heard that Nick.
    That Soundgarden weren’t much chop.
    But Audioslave rocked live.
    Maybe it was the Tom Morello contribution.

  81. Tailgunner

    there are no damn Zombies, I am going to be sooo pissed off.

    Hehe
    I thought it was you as resident prepper.
    Im screwed, I’m just putting the heavy pinch bar in the wagon and some water.
    Heading bush,mate.
    Hijack a decent 4×4 as a priority.

  82. feelthebern

    I imagine if you played with RATM for a couple a decades, you’re going to bring some of that to Audioslave.

  83. Tailgunner

    I was friends with a medalist once

    I was besties with Nick Reece, back in the day.
    Fkn

  84. Tailgunner

    I might stock up on fags though…

  85. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Gravity: We might have been getting it wrong this whole time

    There are four fundamental forces in the physical world: electromagnetism, strong force, weak force, and gravity. Gravity is the only force still unexplainable at the quantum level. Its effects on big objects, such as planets or stars, are relatively easy to see, but things get complicated when one tries to understand gravity in the small world of elementary particles.

    To try to understand gravity on the quantum level, Hirosi Ooguri, the director of the Kavli Institute for the Physics and Mathematics of the Universe in Tokyo, and Daniel Harlow, an assistant professor at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, started with the holographic principle. This principle explains three-dimensional phenomena influenced by gravity on a two-dimensional flat space that is not influenced by gravity. This is not a real representation of our universe, but it is close enough to help researchers study its basic aspects.

    The pair then showed how quantum error correcting codes, which explain how three-dimensional gravitational phenomena pop out from two dimensions, like holograms, are not compatible with any symmetry; meaning such symmetry cannot be possible in quantum gravity.

  86. mh

    Only posting this to show that at least some parts of the MSM are still sane

    Revolting footage shows Chinese woman eating a whole bat at a fancy restaurant as scientists link the deadly coronavirus to the flying mammals

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7920573/Revolting-footage-shows-Chinese-woman-eating-bat-scientists-link-coronavirus-animal.html

  87. Nick

    Morello is a great guitarist. Imagine having to listen to Zach each day though.

  88. feelthebern

    If you look closely enough, you can see a young JC holding up a Trump for President sign.

  89. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Hong Kong hospitals near full capacity
    Hong Kong’s hospitals are nearing full capacity as the semi-autonomous territory deals with the coronavirus outbreak.

    The director of Hong Kong’s hospital authority said 97 percent of beds were occupied and a spike was expected after the Lunar New Year.

    Two cases were confirmed in Hong Kong on Friday, while Al Jazeera’s Adrian Brown, reporting from Hong Kong, said there are more than 200 suspected cases in the territory.

  90. Entropy

    Question: what’s the difference between a frigate and a destroyer?

    Umm, one’s bigger and meaner than the other?

  91. Old School Conservative

    Dr Faustus
    #3301941, posted on January 25, 2020 at 2:31 pm
    Most universities hand out multiple Medals each year

    I googled the issue and found that for 2018, Sydney University handed out over 60 Medals from the specific faculties, always accompanied by Honours Class I. Some faculties had one medallist, some zero, and a couple had multiple. Obviously very hard to get.
    I found no university-wide “Medals” unless they are preceded with the donor’s name (8 in total)

  92. Knuckle Dragger

    Daniela Elser, a self-proclaimed ‘royal expert’ has this Megsie BoltOns-inspired tale of woe in the Cairns Post:

    ‘It was a stunning and tragic end to the Sussexes’ royal life and all less than two years after their glittering, fairytale wedding in May, 2018. When they left St George’s Chapel that day, they represented so much promise for a family and institution fighting to prove its worth and relevancy in the 21st century. Now, all of that possibility has been squandered.

    ‘However, things did not need to turn out this way, not if the Queen and her courtiers had followed the template that William and Kate were offered.

    ‘The life they shared in Anglesey sounds particularly quiet, if not verging on the wildly dull. He worked, while she looked after the house (they had no staff FYI). Occasionally they were spotted at the local pub enjoying a very sensible number of drinks, no legless shenanigans here thank you very much.

    ‘More importantly, they were given the space to settle into full time life together more than 460km away from London and far away from the paparazzi.’

    Because he put his hand up to get a proper job, as a search and rescue chopper pilot no less, you fucking idiot.

    ‘Contrast that with Harry and Meghan. After enduring a long-distance relationship for over a year, they had only been living together (and permanently in the same country as each other) for about three months when he popped the question.’

    Self-enduring a long-distance relationship. Followed by three months in the same country. An exemplar of the xuntstruck little balding jobless ranga.

    ‘Even when both women were married to their Princes charming, the paths offered to them diverged dramatically. Days after her big day, Kate was photographed back in Wales at a local supermarket doing the weekly shop.’

    Oh. So the paparazzi WERE there, after all. No worries. Keep at it, Daniela.

    ‘Over the coming months, the newlyweds did undertake a tour to Canada but by and large, she was not expected to throw herself wholesale into working royal life – rather the Cambridges would occasionally toddle down to London to do a spot of professional waving.’

    Oh. So they WERE expected to do some Royal stuff after all.

    ‘Rather, like Sarah Ferguson, Duchess of York and Diana, Princess of Wales, Meghan was parachuted into the royal family with nowhere near enough preparation. Is it any wonder then, that things have turned out the way they have?’

    She wasn’t ‘parachuted in’. The gold digging publicity whore HALO’d her way into the joint, crashing through the skylight and landing on the dining table screaming ‘Tah dah! Attention please!’ and expecting 1200 years of tradition to change for her, rather than they other way around.

    Fuck off with your ‘expertise’, Daniela. Cardimona! What the hell are we paying you for?

  93. Dr Faustus

    Final question/s. What does it do? Does it help you get a job, is it valued as a CV addition or is it simply an in-house appreciation type of thing?

    Depends on the underlying degree.
    It’s a free entry ticket for postgrad studies – all faculties.
    In the contest for high-value, high-status professional jobs it will probably get you an interview.

  94. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘And you didn’t see them dropping dead in hospital corridors’

    Fair enough Ted. However, they did have a life expectancy of 27.

  95. Those bats were still alive as they were eaten.
    Fucking barbarians.

  96. EvilElvis

    I’m pretty sure that if Faith No Mores ‘Gentle Art of Making Enemies’ was in the school curriculum, year 1, semester 1, society would be much better.

  97. Knuckle Dragger

    Greatly appreciated, university-medal-knowing-about people.

    Learning all the time.

    Now. About that penis banner.

  98. Question: what’s the difference between a frigate and a destroyer?

    Frigate is what you keep beer cold in.
    Destroyer is a Marvel Superhero, or something like that.

  99. EvilElvis

    And the “Don’t say you’re not weak cause you are” University Medal, 2020, goes to…

  100. Fisky

    One of my regrets was not seeing Audioslave or Chris Cornell when he toured solo.

    Yeah, I saw FNM twice, 13 years apart, but somehow always missed Soundgarden. Prefer Mike Patton though, easier on the ears than Cornell when he rises a couple octaves.

  101. Infidel Tiger

    Ryan Struyk
    @ryanstruyk
    ·
    53m
    Trump approval rating by gender via new ABC/Post poll:

    Men:
    57% approve
    39% disapprove

    Women:
    33% approve
    62% disapprove

    Giving women the vote was the greatest mistake in human history.

  102. Tel

    And you didn’t see them dropping dead in hospital corridors or getting off a flight with a ticklish throat and runny nose.

    When they dropped dead of bird/bat/pig flu the local medicine man would carefully write his thesis on the cave wall, “Evil spirits in this place!”

    Draws picture of white spirit with enlarged eyes and nose indicating inflammation and lines around the head to indicate uncontrollable sneezing.

    There … that should solve the problem. Let’s all move on and burn that scrub over there before the spirit comes back.

  103. vr

    An academic award given to a graduating student. Typically, a university will only grant one of these a year across all courses.

    These days there are more than one awarded. I have seen many instances where there were more than one winner from the same faculty. I have supervised a few that have gone one to win these medals.

  104. Top Ender

    Question: what’s the difference between a frigate and a destroyer?

    Good answers but no banana.

    A frigate prosecutes threats in one environment, like anti-surface, or anti-submarine, or anti-air.

    A destroyer can do two at once.

  105. Knuckle Dragger

    Sorry.

    I was thinking about the Star Destroyers and Luke Skywalker.

  106. Johno

    to compare it to another famous hypothesis – the theory of gravity.

    Not many people would think to cast doubt on the theory of gravity, and according to Professor David Karoly, who leads the Earth Systems and Climate Change Hub in the Australian Government’s National Environmental Science Program at CSIRO, the evidence that human activity is causing global warming is so strong it is equal to this theory.

    “The theory on the human impact on climate change is just as strong, or stronger, than the scientific basis for the theory of gravity,” Prof Karoly told news.com.au.

    Well, now we know.

  107. vr

    I googled the issue and found that for 2018, Sydney University handed out over 60 Medals from the specific faculties, always accompanied by Honours Class I

    Honours Class I is another instance where quality has declined. I know of a case where a large fraction of students in a cohort (degree) have been awarded Honours Class I.

  108. Tailgunner

    I’m on the tram in Yarragrad, there’s dozens of them on here.
    I’m going to start rolling the full face mask W/filters.
    WWZ!!

  109. Infidel Tiger

    Kick them off the tram.

    Those fuckers should be quarantined.

  110. Knuckle Dragger

    Captain Planet’s testimony, or part thereof to the RC yesterday:

    ‘Mr Cornelius said Ms Gobbo’s history as a human source would have had to have been disclosed to courts if she had been a witness in the investigation into the 2004 murder of Terence Hodson and his wife Christine, but he said he also understood why police might withhold information.

    ‘“The police grapevine is notorious and notwithstanding our best efforts to secure information, all sorts of stuff gets bandied about in our organisation,” he said.

    ‘“The same can be said for the bar. The bar is fuelled by rumour and gossip and innuendo and I can cite numerous examples where we’ve briefed members of the bar and lawyers in relation to highly confidential matters and then ultimately we find out that that information gets trafficked more widely than it should.’

    Without backing this incestuous grab-bag of self-interested cockheads, this statement is accurate.

    Of course 60 year old magistrates porking 23 year old court staff are going to tell them things they shouldn’t.

  111. woolfe

    Hey Gunna, Hire a walking dead zombie costume and get on the tram.

  112. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I’ve just gone back thread and noticed this little spray, which deserves rebuttal.

    Oh, and I also dislike the implication that the reason your first two children (whose identities you have outed here) must be defective because of their father, since the next two with your subsequent squeeze turned out all right.

    Their identities are quite safe; there are thousands of children like them. The discussion I was having was about autism and inherited factors. The one you seem to always want to have is to revile me. If you read what I have said above it is clear that I think these two children gain much from all sides of our family, and that they have been, and still are, dearly loved. Recognizing a genetic ‘deficit’ which one can work to deal with is different to applying the denigratory term ‘defective’, which you do. Of course many other things to do with family and experiences have affected these two children, just as has happened with my other two.

    My ‘subsequent squeeze’ is my dearly loved husband and father of two of my children. He had a lot of good input into their upbringing and to that of my first two. My previous husband did earn, as I’ve always said, the University Medal in Philosophy in symbolic logic from the University of Sydney during the 1970’s. No lies, contrary to your invention of one. The time frame was deliberately made unclear by me, and the fact that another medal was awarded in another Faculty (in another named discipline) as well a year later, due to his earning two medals, was also meant to put you off your insane doxing ‘researches’. Which it did.

    You go on and on about how the reasons that the first two have problems because of genetics are an issue, but somehow not for numbers 3 and 4.
    I do remember when you went on a trip overseas with the favoured kids and left the not so favoured ones home with Dad.

    Children from a broken marriage always do it tough. I would be the last to dispute that. We have taken family holidays with all four children and holidays and work visits without all four as well. And in various mixes inbetween those two alternatives as well. I happen to believe that fathers have rights to see their children for holidays; you seem to think that is unimportant. I have also said that parents should accept genetically what they get with their children and that ALL of mine have pluses and minuses on view if you look carefully; mostly I don’t, I just accept them as the people they are.

    Get fucked, Lady Bountiful.

    lol. You should be so lucky.

  113. Mitch M;

    So what will kill more poeple: the new flu or the panic about it?

    The panic of course.
    Most of the casualties will come from vehicle accidents as people rush to the supermarket for flu masks as soon as they get a sniffle. By then, of course, it will be too late.
    Many of the clever people will get the WZV from wearing their masks on their chins or foreheads, or just over their mouths while breathing through their noses.
    The socially conscious ones will get the WZV on their hands, but before washing their hands they will pull out their ifones and text everyone while removing their masks after smearing the virus over the phone.
    Think of it as an intelligence test – the dull and stupid will ignore the good advice they’ve been given and pass it on to the clevers.
    (I never said it would be a good intelligence test, did I?)

  114. Mitch M.

    “The theory on the human impact on climate change is just as strong, or stronger, than the scientific basis for the theory of gravity,” Prof Karoly told news.com.au.

    He meant to say “quantum theory of gravity”, gives him an escape clause. 🙂

  115. Dr Faustus

    “The theory on the human impact on climate change is just as strong, or stronger, than the scientific basis for the theory of gravity,” Prof Karoly told news.com.au.

    Strange, then, that that theory has not been able to make any useful predictions.
    Must be a Post-Normal Science thing.

  116. calli

    That Greta Inc video was interesting, Some History.

    Something else I have noticed about her, apart from the messy, “little girl” hair. Her clothes are all three sizes too big, presumably to give her a waif-like hand-me-down look. The shots of her terrible, underprivileged childhood home were an eye-opener too.

    I suspect, like most Swedes, they have a summer house up in the countryside as well.

    And her answers, particularly about the plastic filled Tesla, were hardly those of a bemused “special” “child”.

    What a con.

  117. Question: what’s the difference between a frigate and a destroyer?

    You can throw a rope and some water skis off the back of a frigate. Its a hoot.

  118. Mitch M.

    Most of the casualties will come from vehicle accidents as people rush to the supermarket for flu masks as soon as they get a sniffle. By then, of course, it will be too late.

    We’ll never know the true number because the ones shot trying to leave the Wuhan will be classed as dying from the flu.

  119. Roger

    “The theory on the human impact on climate change is just as strong, or stronger, than the scientific basis for the theory of gravity,” Prof Karoly told news.com.au.

    Does he mean the theory of gravity at the earthly (Newtonian physics), atomic or cosmic level?

    Let’s assume Newtonian.

    That’s testable.

    How & when has AGW been tested to arrive at such a “strong” status, Prof. Karoly?

  120. Prof Karoly told news.com.au.

    There you go. The authoritative talking to the authoritative.

    FMD

  121. Mitch M.

    With a protein ‘delivery,’ parasite can suppress its host’s immune response

    Now definitely too weird for this old brain. In the space of 24 hours I have read:

    strange particles detected in Antarctica that challenge the Standard Model.
    Mitochondria discovered in the blood which is totally baffling because mitochondria require proteins from nuclear DNA to be viable.
    The theory of gravity under assault.
    And this, T. gondi inducing a macrophage switch to an anti-inflammatory type.

  122. Cassie of Sydney

    8th Dan
    #3301826, posted on January 25, 2020 at 1:05 pm
    Get fucked, Lady Bountiful.

    Eloquent. Supremely eloquent.

    10/10

    Birds of a feather flock together.

  123. Johno

    Tonight at 20 past 8 on your ABC the AOTY is on. Hope gravity doesn’t fuck-up and they all ,drift off to the moon or sumfint.

  124. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Honours Class I is another instance where quality has declined. I know of a case where a large fraction of students in a cohort (degree) have been awarded Honours Class I.

    Yes, I have seen the standards of this award decline dramatically since the 1970’s. Traditionally as seen in the 60’s, the best students were siphoned into an Honours strand, given special work, and then did an extra year on top of a normal three year degree in order to get their ‘honours’, which were awarded in grades 1, 11A, 11B, and 111. The lowest group, often the biggest got third class honours or at best what was called a Two Two’s. They did not progress usually to a Masters Honours nor to a PhD. Those with a ‘First’ or a ‘Two Ones’ were still in the running for a Post-Grad scholarship with no fees and a good stipend. Now you have to get a First to even be considered for that and just about anyone who would be in the old category 1 or 11A gets a First today. Firsts were probably under-awarded in the 60’s, one or two a year was the norm.

    P/G study can also be gained these days by simply enrolling and getting a deferred HECs for fees and Audstudy for living allowance. There’s not much sense of achievement in that.

  125. Cassie of Sydney

    I went into a shop today to browse…..I know the owner because I buy the occasional trinket from her. She is a longstanding Green progressive dimwit…in her late 60s and completely without any sense. She told me that her holiday house down south had just escaped the fires and how terrible it all is. I agreed that it was terrible but I asked her about controlled burnings and she went ballistic….saying no, no, no..that it was all old growth wilderness, burning it off would be criminal and that the fires were caused solely by “climate change”.

    We are living in an insane world….full of insane people.

  126. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    that it was all old growth wilderness, burning it off would be criminal and that the fires were caused solely by “climate change”.

    We are going to see a lot of this in any Royal Commission into recent bushfires.

  127. Cassie of Sydney

    “Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
    #3302027, posted on January 25, 2020 at 4:12 pm
    that it was all old growth wilderness, burning it off would be criminal and that the fires were caused solely by “climate change”.

    We are going to see a lot of this in any Royal Commission into recent bushfires.”

    Yep….will we ever reach peak hysteria? Chris Kenny has a very good piece in today’s Oz about this.

  128. Roger

    that it was all old growth wilderness, burning it off would be criminal and that the fires were caused solely by “climate change”.

    We are going to see a lot of this in any Royal Commission into recent bushfires.

    Classification of ‘old growth wilderness/forest’ in Australia was only finalised in the ’90s. It could be reversed, although it would be difficult given the emotionalism surrounding the issue.

    If the Greenies want to keep old growth forests ‘pristine’, don’t allow people to live in or near them and have a bloody great firebreak around them.

    Anything less would be…criminal.

  129. cohenite

    Not many people would think to cast doubt on the theory of gravity, and according to Professor David Karoly, who leads the Earth Systems and Climate Change Hub in the Australian Government’s National Environmental Science Program at CSIRO, the evidence that human activity is causing global warming is so strong it is equal to this theory.
    “The theory on the human impact on climate change is just as strong, or stronger, than the scientific basis for the theory of gravity,” Prof Karoly told news.com.au.

    Karoly is a grade A arsehole, a real stinker; here he is on abc explaining why old temperatures are no good and have to be exchanged or ignored:

  130. EvilElvis

    I went into a shop today to browse…..I know the owner because I buy the occasional trinket from her. She is a longstanding Green progressive dimwit…

    Why, why, why do you people support these fucking spastics???

  131. Entropy

    What did Kenny say Cassie?

  132. Cassie of Sydney

    Chris Kenny today in The Australian…

    “Ringside seat at bushfires has upped alarmist outcry

    It has been an unsettling summer of smoke haze and dust storms, firestorms and tragic deaths, uncommon valour and desperate evacuations, hot winds and thunderstorms, dashed hopes and rescued koalas, rounded off with hailstone maelstroms, tantalising teases of an end to drought and brutal reminders the fire season has a long way yet to run. No wonder we look for answers, and no wonder the climate evangelists take the chance to offer a simple explanation.

    Many have faced a once-in-a-generation crisis — a firestorm they might not, with any luck, see again — but the truth is this is the way of every bad weather event and fire season. And we’ve had plenty of them.

    The torment of bushfire is not easily avoided in dry summer bushland and describing that threat is even more elusive. We smell the menace in the dry northerly winds, the hint of eucalypt, dust and devil. For all their preparation and experience, farmers, families and communities live on the edge in such conditions, dreading the scent of smoke that signals justified terror.

    Much is yet to be said about this season of deadly bushfires but one factor not yet recognised — a contributor to national and global reactions and amplifier of the associated climate change debate — is simply the new visibility of the scourge. Mobile video and communications technology have given us a better insight than ever, a ringside seat to the firestorms and ember sprays that do the most damage and take the most lives.

    Save for those poor souls who die or firefighters who narrowly escape, few people get to see the heart of a firestorm. Television crews and photographers seldom get in the path of such fire activity and helicopters can’t get near it, so in the wake of earlier disasters we are left with images of destruction, along with relatively moderate bushfire fronts. We have had vivid descriptions of the crowning fire surges and ferocious roar of flames, but even after the Black Saturday tragedy that took 173 lives in 24 hours in Victoria 11 years ago, we saw little footage of the worst of the blazes.

    This summer we have seen so much more; the prevalence of phone cameras and social media has provided vision of farmers sheltering from an onslaught of embers, firefighters driving through firefronts, and locals and tourists huddled on beaches. We have seen the terror and helplessness imposed by bushfire, rather than just its lifeless aftermath.

    We are seeing more of the disasters from the inside. This is all to the good because property owners, motorists, planners and politicians need to have some sense of what they are up against in the worst fire conditions; it is pointless knowing you can defend your property from flames creeping across the scrub on a still day. You need to withstand a firestorm sweeping in on the hottest and windiest day like the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse.

    Apart from this heightened awareness — this enlightened alarmism — the crucial ingredient in public responses this season has been climate change activism. People have promoted misinformation to push a policy barrow.

    Use of the word unprecedented has been instrumental; by politicians, activists and journalists. It has been deployed since November last year in an attempt to invoke climate change as the root cause of the fire disasters.

    This has been contrived and dishonest. As usual, the deception is based on a germ of truth. Back in early November NSW Rural Fire Service Commissioner Shane Fitzsimmons cited 17 fires burning at emergency alert level on one day and said that was “without precedent” and that the state was in “uncharted territory”. No one would dispute his call about an unprecedented number of dangerous fires in one state at one time: “We’ve simply never had this number of fires burn in NSW at the same time.”

    But seemingly since that moment, the term unprecedented has been applied to almost every aspect of the fire season across the entire nation. In all likelihood there will be a range of other firsts — the worst fire danger conditions recorded in the Sydney basin and the worst fire damage in a range of locations — but overall it is difficult to make the case that this fire season has been unprecedented for the nation.

    It has been shocking, tragic and devastating — and it is not over. But the terrible truth is that we have seen such trauma again and again, from Black Saturday in 2009 to Ash Wednesday in 1983, from Black Tuesday in 1967 to Black Friday in 1939, and further back to Black Thursday in 1851. Millions of hectares burned, thousands of properties destroyed, dozens of lives lost.

    We have had disasters where more properties have been lost, more area has burned and six times as many people have been killed. We have been told the fires started earlier than ever but spring and early summer is the usual fire season in northern NSW and Queensland, and, for example, we know there were widespread fires in southeast Queensland in the winter of 1946. Claims by climate scientist Joelle Gergis that rainforests in Lamington National Park were burning for the first time were disproved by reports from the spring of 1951 about fire taking out “2000 acres of thick rainforest country” in the park.

    Conditions at times have been catastrophic, to be sure, but they have been before, and we’ve had hotter fire days, previous long droughts and higher wind speeds.

    Bjorn Lomborg, of the Copenhagen Consensus Centre, has undercut the broader “unprecedented” claims, too. He has shown that annual areas burned by bushfire across our continent are on a clear downward trend; and this year’s total, so far, is well below average. Lomborg notes the 1.2 million hectares burned in Victoria is a record over recent decades but is “vastly smaller” than 1851 when a quarter of the state, or five million hectares, were blackened. He concedes the area burned in NSW, at five million hectares, might be a record for that state but this compares to four million hectares in 1951-52 and 4.5 million in 1974-75

    This is crucial perspective and context. On a national scale or in most states, so far, this is a long way from our worst fire season, even though it is very likely to be the worst for NSW.

    None of this diminishes the horror, it just places the disaster within the realms of what we have experienced before. This is our environment; the impact of fire has so shaped our ecology that much of our vegetation relies on fire for rejuvenation.

    None of this means that, in accordance with the predictions of climate scientists, we won’t face these conditions even more often than we have in the past. The point is that this is not a new threat descending upon us, brought about by having a modern, energy-based economy. Nor is it a threat that can ever be neutered by climate policy — at a pinch, with the best international will and action in the world, the climate science suggests the right policy prescriptions might prevent our dangerous fire conditions becoming even more common in the future.

    A confluence of crucial fire factors has fanned the blazes — bushland dried more than usual by severe drought (not directly linked to climate change), high temperatures, strong winds, natural and human-induced ignition, and heavy fuel loads because of insufficient hazard reduction — and our complacent placement of housing in bushland and poor preparation by homeowners has added to our vulnerability. Complacency usually sets in when the rains come.

    The most striking difference between this fire season and similar traumatic episodes in the past is the fractured public debate. Usually the all-too-familiar smell of bushfire smoke brings this country together; those days are gone.

    Climate activism and social media have changed community responses, but other factors are at play, too: political media jaundiced to the green-left and hellbent on revenge against Scott Morrison for humiliating them; a Labor Party without a climate policy and struggling to find its purpose or establish its leadership post-election; a Liberal Party split between climate activist moderates eager to win media approval and hard-headed conservatives validated by the “climate election” win; state governments and fire authorities keen to point the finger at climate lest anyone examine or blame their lack of preparedness or fuel reduction indolence; and a holiday season media where brave reporters covered the tragedies but experienced voices were on leave so that jejune social media memes influenced mainstream coverage even more than usual.

    From as early as November the “love media”, dominated by the public broadcasters, Nine Entertainment newspapers and the online Twitter feeders such as Guardian Australia, talked up the green-left agenda of climate change-induced, unprecedented fire behaviour. Displaying the corporate and professional memories of goldfish, they gave us a sickeningly revisionist perspective — people who lost their lives, had them changed forever or risked them helping others in previous calamities were rendered somehow irrelevant as the new global-warming beast set upon us.

    It has been almost impossible for politicians, especially the Prime Minister, to push back against this narrative for fear of appearing to downplay the disaster and people’s suffering or take their eyes off the main challenge. This only underlines the obligation and need for media to be factual.

    We have ended up with the ridiculous situation where Morrison has been pressured into accepting an additional new role as bushfire protector-in-chief, overseeing emergency responses and even hazard-reduction programs. What a sad indictment on our state governments, which always seem to have their hands out for more money but seem incapable of taking responsibility for anything. (I’m old enough to remember when the states ran and funded schools on their own, hospitals, disability services, emergency services and energy supplies.)

    Media analysis conducted for Sky News by Meltwater Media Monitoring tested the prevalence of key words and phrases used across mainstream and social media in bushfire coverage from November through to the middle of this month. Staggeringly, the phrase climate change was used more often even than disaster or devastation.

    Climate change was mentioned almost 900,000 times, more than double the next most common term, disaster. Tellingly, the weighting for climate change came completely from social media, showing how the heavy green-left campaigning and fact-free activism of Twitter can drive mainstream coverage.

    With precious little research, historical context or fact-checking, the narrative about these fires being unprecedented took off and was amplified. The word was used in the media almost 200,000 times across two months.

    You could see the factual weakness of this eagerness in one sentence from Luisa Rubbo reporting for the ABC from dramatic fire scenes in Port Macquarie. “Yes,” she said, “it’s been unprecedented, the conditions we’ve seen here on the mid-north coast today, the worst in at least 20 years.” Perhaps that is the accepted memory span in modern media.

    The US ABC network news crossed to Australia under a banner “Wildfire Apocalypse” and its meteorologist proclaimed: “Tonight, no end in sight to the unprecedented wildfires consuming Australia.” A fearsome version of hell on earth confronted people on numerous occasions as fires tore through parts of NSW, Victoria and South Australia — so it is almost impossible to exaggerate how terrible the fires were — but the perception of a country consumed by unprecedented fires even saw the US State Department warn tourists away from our nation.

    The damage is ongoing when it comes to tourism. But when the hysteria settles, the summer ends and calm assessments are made, it may be the climate activists, media organisations and political players who feel some of the blowback. Mainstream voters will have marked down Morrison for holidaying overseas but may view the attacks on him over fire management as misdirected and over the top, and they will see through the political overreach on climate change because they know the terror of our summers and the history of our bushfires.

    The view from any one location or any firestorm is likely to be the worst of a generation — that is the nature of fuel loads and fire patterns — but the overall picture is not unique. When I confronted NSW Greens politician David Shoebridge on television with Lomborg’s graph of bushfire area trends he told me the graph didn’t matter.

    But facts do matter, and so does language. Whatever climate policies are adopted in Australia, they cannot change our climate because global emissions are still rising sharply. And if the world could miraculously return to a pre-industrial climate, we would still face the threat of these fire conditions in our summers.

    To that end, the climate debate is almost redundant compared with the practical discussions about fuel loads and preparedness. If climate factors are accelerating our bushfire threat, precisely the same remediation measures will be needed.

    This week Greta Thunberg was in Davos invoking our bushfires as more evidence of a climate emergency. So, too, was Al Gore, who compared the climate challenge to great military battles of the past. Even Prince Charles turned up to trumpet (rather bravely) revolutionary climate measures. It is clear we are entering another phase of intensified global-warming activism where any claim will do, and alarmism is the order of the day.

    The lack of consistency and rationality have been exposed by none other than former prime minister Malcolm Turnbull. When he was in office, less than two years ago, Turnbull reacted strongly and rationally to claims from the Greens that disastrous fires on the NSW south coast were climate-fuelled. He said he was “disappointed that the Greens would try to politicise an event like this” and went on to explain why it was not on. “You can’t attribute any particular event, whether it’s a flood or fire or a drought — or a storm — to climate change. We are the land of droughts and flooding rains, we’re the land of bushfires. Nature hurls her worst at Australians and has — for always, and always will, and always has — often unpredictably.”

    Who could argue with those facts and that logic? Well, it seems, Turnbull can. This month he asserted the opposite view in an article for Time magazine: “Australia’s fires this summer — unprecedented in the scale of their destruction — are the ferocious but inevitable reality of global warming.” By any assessment of the scale of the fires, he is wrong, and on his own assessment of our patterns and how climate and weather extremes play out, he is wrong.

    So if we want to do a checklist of what is unprecedented about this fire season we might need to consider it is the worst on record for NSW, it is the first bushfire disaster of the social media age, and it is the first where global-warming politics have worked to undercut the unity that usually characterises our response to disasters.

    These have been our first fully politicised bushfires, which adds another ugly layer to a loathsome annual threat. It won’t help us fight them.

  133. Cassie of Sydney

    “EvilElvis
    #3302035, posted on January 25, 2020 at 4:23 pm
    I went into a shop today to browse…..I know the owner because I buy the occasional trinket from her. She is a longstanding Green progressive dimwit…

    Why, why, why do you people support these fucking spastics???”

    You’re right and I am not going to shop there anymore. The woman is a fucking idiot.

  134. cohenite

    Kenny is one of the best journalists dealing with alarmism but he still argues the ridiculous point that Australia is too small to do anything about world climate. It is an argument which accepts the crap science of alarmism and allows the alarmists to zero in on coal as in we may be small but we export so much coal we have to do more. In fact the sceptics have to do more and my recommendation is to take stalker out and snuff the guy while filming it and present it as an anti-alarmist movie.

  135. Cassie of Sydney

    “cohenite
    #3302043, posted on January 25, 2020 at 4:40 pm
    Kenny is one of the best journalists dealing with alarmism but he still argues the ridiculous point that Australia is too small to do anything about world climate.”

    Well we can’t have everything…..at least he is doing his bit.

  136. cohenite

    The abos didn’t eat koalas

    The 47th nations eat everything including the mega fauna and each other.

  137. Tel

    Question: what’s the difference between a frigate and a destroyer?

    No one shouts “Destroyer!” when their spanner slips and they chip a knuckle.

  138. No one shouts “Destroyer!” when their spanner slips and they chip a knuckle.

    Tel wins the Cat for today.
    Also the internet.

  139. m

    Since rhe arrival of the first fleet the landscape has changed dramatically . The introduction of exotic plants and animals means it can never be the same as it was before so I am not sure that the way land was cared for would even work these days.

  140. woolfe

    Our coal exports are the jewel in the crown and their big target.. What are mining think tanks / support groups doing about it zzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

  141. EvilElvis

    You’re right and I am not going to shop there anymore.

    Cassie, I love you and the other lady cats as much as one simple, internet stranger, caveman can. But you girls are at ground zero. Struth is right, women are a problem but they’re a problem because of men. Unfortunately the ground is lost for men to go too hard at women one on one verbally, no matter how righteous one is. We need you girls to shun your social instincts, only towards progressive idiots, and tear them down and embarrass them at all opportunities. Shopping, dinner parties, whatever. Just unload. You’ll have plenty of friends left. We need you to be strong, because we can’t fight like girls. And leftist, progressive girls are complete kunts.

  142. old bloke

    Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)
    #3301969, posted on January 25, 2020 at 2:56 pm

    Gravity is the only force still unexplainable at the quantum level.

    Nonsense, everyone knows that gravity is caused by apples falling out of trees.

  143. old bloke

    Tailgunner
    #3301999, posted on January 25, 2020 at 3:31 pm

    I’m on the tram in Yarragrad, there’s dozens of them on here.
    I’m going to start rolling the full face mask W/filters.

    Can you get full face masks with a built in cigarette holder?

  144. Dr Faustus

    Traditionally as seen in the 60’s, the best students were siphoned into an Honours strand, given special work, and then did an extra year on top of a normal three year degree in order to get their ‘honours’, which were awarded in grades 1, 11A, 11B, and 111.

    My experience was quite different. Undergraduate degrees in most disciplines were conducted over three years. After finals, Concededs, Thirds and Seconds were given on marks; the higher ranked students (something like the top 10%) were subject to a viva – in our case a fairly gruelling half day series of interviews by a rotating panel of academics. First Class honours were determined by that – with the not-quite-exceptional residuals awarded an Upper Second, or 2-1/2A.
    (This was in the 70’s – but I know that was the system long before.)

    Nowadays some degrees certainly do offer a fourth, Honours Year (and this may have been the case in the 60’s). I could be wrong, but this seems to be practice in the social sciences and Commerce.

    I don’t disagree that the degree standard has been debased: the commercial every-child-wins-a-prize imperative and the heavy reliance on group assignments to avoid failing LOTE students has contributed to that. But my observation is that Firsts/GPA 6.5+ are still pretty hard to achieve.

  145. Cassie of Sydney

    “EvilElvis
    #3302052, posted on January 25, 2020 at 4:47 pm
    You’re right and I am not going to shop there anymore.

    Cassie, I love you and the other lady cats as much as one simple, internet stranger, caveman can. But you girls are at ground zero. Struth is right, women are a problem but they’re a problem because of men. Unfortunately the ground is lost for men to go too hard at women one on one verbally, no matter how righteous one is. We need you girls to shun your social instincts, only towards progressive idiots, and tear them down and embarrass them at all opportunities. Shopping, dinner parties, whatever. Just unload. You’ll have plenty of friends left. We need you to be strong, because we can’t fight like girls. And leftist, progressive girls are complete kunts.”

    Agree wholeheartedly however I do my bit…as other Cats who know me personally can attest. I am very well known for my candour and forthrightness.

  146. Mark A

    mh
    #3302021, posted on January 25, 2020 at 4:01 pm

    Takeaway is off the menu as of now.
    Spec chinese.

  147. Infidel Tiger

    Silent contagion.

    Great name for a band. Terrible way for the human race to be wiped out by stupid Gooks meddling with science.

  148. Mother Lode

    As far as people being appalled at the Chinese guy eating the live mice is concerned – I would not do it as a matter of taste – but eating things alive is pretty much the rule in nature if the mouth of the eating species is large enough to accommodate it.

    Our sensibilities are acquired and cultural.

    I would no more use my squeamishness at the thought of him eating the creature alive as an objection than accept a vegan’s insisting I must go to an abattoir to see cows hacked asunder before I eat steak.

    The mouse would likely be dead within a second of being put in his mouth.

    I expect this sounds like the most heinous relativism, but it really is just a perfectly natural act that has not been barred by a western culinary tradition.

    I daresay mice do not balk at eating their prey alive either.

  149. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    We need you girls to shun your social instincts, only towards progressive idiots, and tear them down and embarrass them at all opportunities. Shopping, dinner parties, whatever. Just unload. You’ll have plenty of friends left. We need you to be strong, because we can’t fight like girls.

    There is a lot of good sense there. But even men have to realise in certain social contexts they have to tone it down or many other good things go by the board. You end up fighting people you have no desire to fight, and losing relationships that should be able to survive to another day. So it’s not just female sensitivities, although I think we are far more likely to display these than men. Hairy is tough, he just hones in on what they don’t know and does the Socratic questioning he is constantly practicing on me with regard to many aspects of my knowledge and understanding. 🙂

    I let him get away with it because I love him. Then I cook him a lovely meal and he knows where he really stands. He is dealing with a sophisticate combined with an intellectual and cooking doesn’t get a look in.

    Don’t do the Socratic with me, I say. I am not listening.
    Women can be so infuriating, his look says. 😀

  150. Infidel Tiger

    As far as people being appalled at the Chinese guy eating the live mice is concerned – I would not do it as a matter of taste – but eating things alive is pretty much the rule in nature if the mouth of the eating species is large enough to accommodate it.

    Our sensibilities are acquired and cultural.

    What absolute garbage.

    Advanced cultures have had strict consumption rules since time immemorial.

    Only savages and backward types have transgressed them.

    Pretty good clue is people still using sticks to eat. Stay away from them.

  151. Infidel Tiger

    I daresay mice do not balk at eating their prey alive either.

    On this point we agree Chinese and rodents are culturally indistinguishable.

  152. It’s been upgraded at no extra charge to a Cressida-virus.
    On the bright side, it doesn’t look like it will leave you wondering for very long.

  153. Cassie of Sydney

    “What absolute garbage.

    Advanced cultures have had strict consumption rules since time immemorial.

    Only savages and backward types have transgressed them.”

    Agree.

  154. Fisky

    Naomi
    @NaomiWong1984
    ·
    1h
    Breaking News: Singapore just returned a flight with Wuhanners to Hangzhou Xiaoshan International airport. The whole plane was quarantined!
    @BaldingsWorld

    @SpencerFernando
    details to follow.

    Australia will keep waving the flights in.

  155. Infidel Tiger

    Well played Singapore.

    Fire up the nukes. We are going to need them.

  156. Arky

    Christchurch update.
    Pharmacies have run out of surgical masks, thems having been bought up by chinese to send back home.
    Mitre 10 put out a bunch on display out the front with a lady to explain to us they had bought them in and researched they were good for virus prevention. As we stood there chatting with her a local member of the chinese communist party came up and started photographing the pile of masks, texting, then making many phone calls.
    ..
    Good luck getting any proctylactical gear if the plague takes off near you, it’s all getting posted back to where it was made:
    ..

    One woman in Los Angeles has amassed 20,000 masks to ship overseas.

  157. vr

    Nowadays some degrees certainly do offer a fourth, Honours Year (and this may have been the case in the 60’s). I could be wrong, but this seems to be practice in the social sciences and Commerce.

    Dr. F — entry requirements (i.e. GPA for the first 3 years) have been lowered. Once in the program it is very hard to get anything less than a first class honours. I am told by students, that Google Translate is used a lot by some to write their theses.

  158. Infidel Tiger

    Stay away from all public spaces. Airports and hospitals in particular.

    Do not gather where Orientals have or will gather.

    Keep safe.

  159. struth

    Men don’t want relationships at all costs lizzie.
    They generally don’t want relationships.
    If a bloke is a dickhead he needs to be told.
    Until then we look to have a laugh while in their company.
    We’re not looking at it through “relationship” girl goggles.

  160. Helen

    Chinese and rodents

    So Rudd was right?

  161. Entropy

    Question: what’s the difference between a frigate and a destroyer?

    Is it something to do with what you can do in the rigging?

  162. Infidel Tiger

    Open borders loons are telling us not to panic.

    Apparently it’s only fatal immediately to the elderly.

  163. amortiser

    The theory on the human impact on climate change is just as strong, or stronger, than the scientific basis for the theory of gravity,” Prof Karoly told news.com.au.

    The theory of gravity was used to get astronauts from the earth to the moon and back on multiple occasions.
    It was tested and retested on multiple occasions to give the results immense confidence.

    That was a real life testing of the theory for all the world to see on live TV.

    Now according to Karoly, we can have the same or even more confidence in climate science or the idea that increasing concentrations of CO2 in the atmosphere will result in accelerating global warming and catastrophic climate change.

    The scientists holding to this idea have built climate models that reflect this theory. It’s not actually a theory it’s an hypothesis. These models have predicted that the Maldives would have disappeared below the waters of the Indian Ocean by Sept 2018.

    This was a prediction based on the settled science with even better confidence according to Karoly than NASA was able to send astronauts to the moon.

    What is Karoly smoking? Why is News not asking obvious questions?

  164. Arky

    Little E’s school is 75% chinese communist party member’s children.
    Most of whom will either have gone home for new years or had family visit from china.
    I will not be sending her to start the school year there, and have spoken to another parent who will not be sending her child there for the start of the school year either.
    There are many schools in the same situation re: numbers of chinese students.
    They better get their shit together.

  165. EvilElvis

    Agree wholeheartedly however I do my bit…as other Cats who know me personally can attest. I am very well known for my candour and forthrightness.

    I reckon you’d be a complete darl, Cassie. 😉

  166. Entropy

    Thanks for the quote Cassie.

  167. Apparently it’s only fatal immediately to the elderly.

    A designer virus?

  168. JC

    Artie

    Settle down please. I know you’re trying to use this as a way of fucking over the Chinese because you don’t like the regime. If it’s a serious pandemic, there’s really no way to stop it even if we blocked all Chicom flights to Oz. If other borders are porous and our borders are to them then it will make its way here.

    Take a deep breath and push down.

  169. Arky

    Same for universities.
    If they want to stay open they better get off the diversity train and figure out some measures before the term starts.

  170. JC

    And stop listening to the Kazakh

  171. EvilElvis

    But even men have to realise in certain social contexts they have to tone it down or many other good things go by the board.

    That’s what I’m getting at Lizzie. We can’t play boys rules against girls. Especially bloody progressive ones. That’s where girl on girl is sorely needed. We can sort the cuck blokes, can’t give the girls the same treatment though in today’s world.

  172. lotocoti

    I should imagine being partial to a nice bit of cat, bat or rat would be a distinct advantage in any glorious peoples’ republic, famine/gulag/re-education camp-wise.

  173. Arky

    The other parent is a doctor.

  174. EvilElvis

    Men don’t want relationships at all costs lizzie.
    They generally don’t want relationships.
    If a bloke is a dickhead he needs to be told.
    Until then we look to have a laugh while in their company.
    We’re not looking at it through “relationship” girl goggles.

    Amen, Struth.

  175. Fisky

    William Yang
    @WilliamYang120
    ·
    4h
    Here’s an image from #Wuhan’s fourth hospitals’s ER, which shows that all medical staff in ER have been infected by #WuhanCoronovirus and the area is under quarantine.

  176. JC

    Stay away from all public spaces. Airports and hospitals in particular.

    Syd Airport took a big hit this week. It made me poorer. Freaking Chinese. You need them going through the airport to boost profits and then they fuck up the airport with less traffic as a result of a potential pandemic. You can never have it all.

  177. Dr Faustus

    It looks like nCoV is killing less than 4% of the infected.
    So I don’t see any reason to panic unless someone in the media, wearing a crisp clean hazmat suit and standing in front of an ambulance tells me this is ‘ unprecedented’.

  178. mh

    Breaking News: Singapore just returned a flight with Wuhanners to Hangzhou Xiaoshan International airport. The whole plane was quarantined!

    Singaporean Chinese understand China.

  179. cohenite

    Take a deep breath and push down.

    He’s getting all snuffy. Is he a chink?

  180. mc

    Interesting interview b/w Brendan O’Neill and David Starkey on the English parliament. Done after the proroguing of the parliament there.

    “Contempt of parliament used to be crime, now it is a moral obligation”

    Worth a listen if you have spare hour in the car/shed/garden (available on spotify)

  181. JC

    Fisky

    That tweet is very ambiguous. It may not mean the medical staff are in beds gasping for their last breath. It most likely means they were exposed to the virus.

    Hospitals in the areas would be the last places to obtain rational views as everyone would be in major panic mode. It would be a fucking zoo.

  182. JC

    Cronkite

    If you’re going to carry on like a two bob watch – not adding any value – I will start ignoring you. I know it’s hard, but try to stop being an idiot all the time as its really annoying.

  183. feelthebern

    Can you smell that?
    It’s panic brewing.

  184. lotocoti

    It looks like nCoV is killing less than 4% of the infected.

    LD50 is panic time.

  185. calli

    The use of the word “unprecedented” is unprecedented.

  186. cohenite

    If you’re going to carry on like a two bob watch – not adding any value – I will start ignoring you

    How very commercial of you head prefect; my value has always been aesthetic anyway so ignore away but you know you won’t be able to resist just like stalker. This how I see you and I head prefect. Aren’t we a good team.

  187. Gilas

    Aaah… everyone’s panicking… the paleoencephalon (lizard brain) at work.

    The politicos will now have a party at the taxpayers’ trough, all because of the panic-peddling MSM, as they always do.

    I’d hate to be working in an Australian tertiary hospital, or an airport.
    The bugmen fuckers in admin will have a field day with their Quality and Safety Policy Committees.
    Poor suckers, the front-line employees.

    Humans really don’t learn from history.
    We really are that stupid!

  188. calli

    We are seeing more of the disasters from the inside. This is all to the good because property owners, motorists, planners and politicians need to have some sense of what they are up against in the worst fire conditions

    Not so fast. We are seeing disaster porn on quick rotation to boost tv ratings. The same scenes, over and over again. With b/s self-styled experts who moments before were tv presenters.

    And we are seeing politicians backed by ranks of uniforms to confer gravitas to their random mumblings. No wonder they need a signer.

  189. Nick

    Do not gather where Orientals have or will gather.

    Friends who now have rampant colds, mocked when I turned a corner to avoid a horde of Chinese tourists just off the plane in Paris.

  190. calli

    I won’t panic, Gilas.

    I’m hanging out for the LexusVirus.

  191. Arky

    How much meat is their on your average bat?
    An actual bat, I mean, not like Jane Fonda or Nancy Pelosi.

  192. JC

    Bat eating is fucking disgusting. I don’t care what anyone says. As for eating snakes… well Europeans eat eels, which are basically water snakes.

    and the intestines of various animals;

    You doofus. Go to a European market. Go to the Borough Market in London and the offal on display is vomit inducing. Let me repeat, it’s fucking disgusting.

  193. calli

    The zenith of Chinese Cuisine development was the noodle.

    It’s been all downhill from there .

  194. LexusVirus.

    What are the extra features over the CressidaVirus?

  195. calli

    Eels are fish. They have gills.

  196. JC

    The zenith of Chinese Cuisine development was the noodle.

    Oh I don’t know, Calli. Special fried rice, pork and/or prawn dumplings. Peking Duck. Beef with black bean sauce. All good.

  197. JC

    Eels are fish. They have gills.

    nonsense. Eeels are freaking snakes. 🙂 Black snakes in water.

  198. calli

    The source bats are higher quality.

  199. Arky

    It’s time to panic.
    Buy gold, ammo, surgical masks if you can find them, and barricade yourself in your home with a month of supplies.
    On a different note, I see denim short shorts are back in a big way.

  200. Helen

    Offal, kidney, liver, tongue, tripe, milk gut, brains, sweet bread, love em all. I ate cows nose in France, sort of pickled, texture a bit like tongue.

  201. Helen

    I don’t know – do we have a gutter oil market in Oz?

  202. calli

    I’m shocked, JC!

    The noodle went to Italy and the rest is history. What did the Chinese do with this culinary wonder? Wontons and gow gees filled with horrors. Hurrumph!

    I rest my case.

  203. Tel

    Bat eating is fucking disgusting.

    Disgust is a matter of personal taste, but eating bats is outright dangerous. These are not birds, they are primates genetically similar to humans … therefore disease goes easily between humans and bats. What’s more, bats are very social and live in huge colonies with extended families throughout the colony. This puts them in contact with a large number of other bats, not much different to humans on a subway system.

    Just the turds from bats can be dangerous, if they take a crap while hanging from a tree out in your yard.

  204. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    It looks like nCoV is killing less than 4% of the infected.

    just happens the 4% are the older group…..

  205. Tel

    Eels are fish. They have gills.

    I love smoked eel. Challenging to get the end to light up … but well worth the effort.

    Boom boom … I’m here all night folks … try the eel.

  206. JC

    Thanks Helen. I’m dry heaving at the thought.

    Look, I’m not going into a food comparison bullshit thingi as a way to make what the Chinese eat appear less disgusting. It is disgusting.. dog , snakes, bats.

    But freaking Europeans also devour disgusting food like offal etc.. and as for eating dogs, it’s outlawed at least, but there is a region that takes in German Switzerland and Germany where they also eat dog. The point is that Europeans also eat disgusting shit. The Frogs eat frogs and snails. Frogs are basically bats with no hair and mostly live in water. They’re hairless, amphibious bats.

    The only people who appear to eat okay food are Americans and Australians, Canadians and NZ’ers. The rest of the world is pretty disgusting.

  207. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    A familial cluster of pneumonia associated with the 2019
    novel coronavirus indicating person-to-person transmission:
    a study of a family cluster

    Findings From Jan 10, 2020, we enrolled a family of six patients who travelled to Wuhan from Shenzhen between Dec 29, 2019 and Jan 4, 2020. Of six family members who travelled to Wuhan, five were identified as infected with the novel coronavirus. Additionally, one family member, who did not travel to Wuhan, became infected with the virus after several days of contact with four of the family members. None of the family members had contacts with Wuhan markets or animals, although two had visited a Wuhan hospital. Five family members (aged 36–66 years) presented with fever, upper or lower respiratory tract symptoms, or diarrhoea, or a combination of these 3–6 days after exposure. They presented to our hospital (The University of Hong Kong-Shenzhen Hospital, Shenzhen) 6–10 days after symptom onset. They and one asymptomatic child (aged 10 years) had radiological ground-glass lung opacities. Older patients (aged >60 years) had more systemic symptoms, extensive radiological ground-glass lung changes, lymphopenia, thrombocytopenia, and increased C-reactive protein and lactate dehydrogenase levels. The nasopharyngeal or throat swabs of these six patients were negative for known respiratory microbes by point-of-care multiplex RT-PCR, but five patients (four adults and the child) were RT-PCR positive for genes encoding the internal RNA-dependent RNA polymerase and surface Spike protein of this novel coronavirus, which were confirmed by Sanger sequencing. Phylogenetic analysis of these five patients’ RT-PCR amplicons and two full genomes by next generation sequencing showed that this is a novel coronavirus, which is closest to the bat severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS)-related coronaviruses found in Chinese horseshoe bats.

    Interpretation Our findings are consistent with person-to-person transmission of this novel coronavirus in hospital and family settings, and the reports of infected travellers in other geographical regions

  208. lotocoti

    try the eel

    Is veely good.

  209. Roger

    Oh I don’t know, Calli. Special fried rice, pork and/or prawn dumplings. Peking Duck. Beef with black bean sauce. All good.

    Cantonese beef brisket hot pot with star anise.

  210. JB of Sydney/Shanghai

    I don’t see why everyone is getting upset by people eating fruit bats.
    Australia has millions of the rotten things, protected by a stupid law.

    Hundreds of the beasts turn up near our place every few months, roosting in a nearby “Park,” crapping every where. Ghastly, smelly things. They look good when they fly away in the evening, but that’s about it.

    The eating of fruit bats in soup, stews, sangers or sausages should be encouraged, even made compulsory.
    Save Australia, BBQ a bat.

  211. Helen

    It is OK, cooking the bat gets rid of the virus.

  212. Dr Faustus

    Just the turds from bats can be dangerous, if they take a crap while hanging from a tree out in your yard.

    This may be a Queensland thing, but, considering the volume of space they have to fly in, Flying Foxes have an unreasonable rate of shitting on my car.

  213. JC

    The noodle went to Italy and the rest is history.

    I’ve read something that disputes that. There’s some revisionist history which argues Marco Polo never really existed and it was a story based on several excursions from the west to the east by different men. It was basically a series of novels of the time.

    Also, noodles have been around in Italy since the Roman times. Dry pasta is quite recent too.

  214. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I reckon you’d be a complete darl, Cassie. 😉

    You have to join the queue of male admirers, Elvis.
    One in particular of the gentlemen Cats we’ve met has been quite smitten.
    Way it goes. But who knows, you might still have a chance.
    A girl can never have too many admirers.
    Even a married lady like myself. Flirtin’ is such fun. 🙂

  215. Offal, kidney, liver, tongue, tripe, milk gut, brains, sweet bread, love em all.

    I’m an offal eater.

    I eat an offal lot.

  216. Gilas

    I’m hanging out for the LexusVirus.

    LOL 👍👍

  217. Fisky

    The politicos will now have a party at the taxpayers’ trough, all because of the panic-peddling MSM, as they always do.

    Our politicos have been going out of their way to pretend there is nothing to worry about, because they are more frightened of offending the CCP than they are of viral epidemics. Anything to protect their sacrosanct open borders ideology.

    Compare to Singapore’s ruthless turnback of flights out of Wuhan. No fuss, no panic, low key, but fuck off all the same, thank you very much and don’t come back.

  218. JC

    Disgust is a matter of personal taste

    No. It’s disgusting. The science is well settled on this and the debate is over.

  219. Eyrie

    “Save Australia, BBQ a bat.”
    Even nutters like Bob Katter sometimes get it right. The answer to fruit bats is kids with .22 ‘s.

  220. Cassie of Sydney

    “Disgust is a matter of personal taste”

    Well I have a cultural and religious problem with pork…but I hear that bacon is rather tasty!

  221. JC

    Our politicos have been going out of their way to pretend there is nothing to worry about, because they are more frightened of offending the CCP than they are of viral epidemics.

    Look, there’ no reason to get stuck into them over this.. provided that in time we don’t learn this fucking thing was manufactured in one of their stupid labs.

    The work is being done at the virology units connected with public health in all the western countries are working 24/7. That’s really all we can expect.

  222. C.L.

    Bats should be exterminated in all urban areas.
    Disgusting, revolting creatures. It’s not as though there isn’t enough bush in Australia for them.

  223. Eyrie

    “Our politicos have been going out of their way to pretend there is nothing to worry about, because they are more frightened of offending the CCP than they are of viral epidemics.”

    Failed their prime duty to defend the country and its inhabitants. Now illegitimate as a government.

  224. Bats should be exterminated in all urban areas.
    Disgusting, revolting creatures. It’s not as though there isn’t enough bush in Australia for them.

    + ∞

  225. JB of Sydney/Shanghai

    When it comes to food, Australians are culinary Girly men. Just steak, chicken, lamb. For the adventurous, barramundi and chips. Probably why Australia is a cultural, industrial and technological backwater.
    The Engineers from Scotland of the 1850s built the world’s ships, railways, bridges, and much more, on a diet of haggis. Haggis is just sheep’s offal, boiled. The Scots were brought down by people sneering at their simple but healthy food, and gave into a regime of fish and chips and fried Mars Bars. Look at them now! A nothing nation, to what they were a hundred years ago. Australians need a return to the food of their ancestors, lamb brains on toast, liver and bacon, mutton, white bread and jam.

  226. JC

    Bats should be exterminated in all urban areas.
    Disgusting, revolting creatures. It’s not as though there isn’t enough bush in Australia for them.

    Are you kidding as they’re original owners too you know. How about we export the carcasses?

  227. Tel

    Failed their prime duty to defend the country and its inhabitants. Now illegitimate as a government.

    Never slowed them down all the other times they failed.

  228. Dr Faustus

    Offal, kidney, liver, tongue, tripe, milk gut, brains, sweet bread, love em all. I ate cows nose in France, sort of pickled, texture a bit like tongue.

    Milk Gut? Would that be udder? Otherwise all delicious properly done.
    The thing is, they’re usually dead and cooked.

    Going out on a limb here, the risk factor seems to be the nearer to alive, the more transspecies crossover you can expect. (Steak is the obvious exception that proves the rule.)

  229. Top Ender

    It was Entropy who made me post a link to this….

    Entropy…at 5:31 pm . Question: what’s the difference between a frigate and a destroyer?
    Is it something to do with what you can do in the rigging?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Ship_Venus

    Please don’t scroll down to the bottom, for there is a link there to the lyrics.

  230. Bar Beach Swimmer

    Dude chopped the head off,drained the blood into a bottle of rice spirit, then slit it open and gave me the heart,still beating,on a little plate. It was only about the size of a 10c coin. Swallow it whole, could still feel it beating in my stomach.
    Cool as!!

    TG, (am going to sound a bit motherish here, sorry about that). This is one of the reasons why young males die prematurely. They’re too willing to take stupid and unnecessary risks. Next time your off to the orient, don’t eat anything that at least hasn’t been cooked. If you have to, to get out of it, feign illness. And, btw, after watching Paul Joseph Watson’s video upthread on cooked bats, maybe don’t eat anything over there at all!

  231. Bruce of Newcastle

    The noodle went to Italy and the rest is history.

    Pretty useless until Columbus discovered a tomato.
    Interestingly tomatoes are a umami flavour, and Chinese noodles also get plenty of umami MSG treatment.

  232. JC

    Bat’s are incredible creatures. They can fly, communicate among themselves and do all sorts of shit in the dark as they have great eyesight( they aren’t blind) and their echolocation is superb. But they are freaking ugly.

    Lots of respect though.

  233. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Top Ender, do you remember a similar tasteful and tuneful ditty about “Count Ivan Skavinsky Skavar?”

  234. Roger

    The Scots were brought down by people sneering at their simple but healthy food, and gave into a regime of fish and chips and fried Mars Bars.

    They even deep fry the haggis now in Scottish chippies.

  235. areff

    I’ve just put up a bat house (no floor) in the back corner of the yard. Hoping to attract some of Melbourne’s micro bats. They’re fascinating creatures.

    Microbats are the most common kind of bat in Melbourne, in particular Gould’s wattled bat and the Lesser long-eared bat. Although the sounds of most bats are beyond the frequency of our hearing, and can only be heard using bat detectors which lower the frequency of the echo-location calls, we can actually hear the call of the white striped freetailed bat.

    There are 16 species of micro-bats in Melbourne, and are found throughout the suburbs. However, as you get closer to the city, urbanisation reduces the number and species present. In general, the narrowing bats can fly better over urbanised spaces, can use artificial nesting places, and so survive better in built up areas. This is important in urbanised areas, where the numbers of trees with hollows have declined from about 22 per hectare to six per hectare.

  236. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Older patients (aged >60 years) had more systemic symptoms, extensive radiological ground-glass lung changes, lymphopenia, thrombocytopenia, and increased C-reactive protein and lactate dehydrogenase levels.

    Nasty. Let’s hope quarantine, free masks and plenty of alcohol hand sanitation will help to control this. Be sparing on train and plane travel and in cinemas and other enclosed places. We have six weeks before we head off on a flight to LA and pick up a cruise ship in San Diego. Epidemic curve should have worked out where it is headed by then I trust.

    This virus likes them old, aka over sixty, which is bad news for Catallaxy as we have many >60 in our midst. That said, we are known fighters. I don’t have any more sneezing and feel perfectly well today. It was just a 24 hour summer cold after all that I bounced off all 77 of my years. No panic stations yet here at the penthouse Villa Chaos.

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