Open Forum: January 25, 2020

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  1. Leigh Lowe

    But I will give Elton John this. He is, and has always been, a naff old homo who ostentatiously displays his wealth from the punters, hangs around with royalty and is a pretentious old nancy boy who should be shortly buried inside one of his old pianos.

    Have you seen the little tubster lately?
    You couldn’t squeeze into a Steinway concert grand.

  2. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    I got 100 of these N95 face masks, I am dubious about them blocking much

  3. Knuckle Dragger

    Missed an acronym before.

    ROI. In my defence, the cricket’s on.

    And penis banner.

  4. Des Deskperson

    ‘KD, I suggest Shanghai as a great place for your first visit to China.’

    Fully agree!!

  5. 1735099

    Remove the services. All of them.

    “Services?” – these wonderful “civilizing” influences provided by the ever-benevolent colonists.
    Let’s specify a few, starting with the diseases –

    TB
    Cholera
    Influenza
    Whooping cough
    Measles
    Venereal diseases
    Smallpox (death rates up to 50% and more, and which started almost immediately after the arrival of the first fleet in 1788)

    Then there’s the lifestyle enhancers –
    Grog
    Tobacco

    Then there’s the massacres.

    Indigenous Australians are so ungrateful…..

  6. areff

    And now that I’m all nostalgic for Melbourne rock of the Seventies, here’s an oddity for those who recall Mackenzie Theory. It’s the eponymous Rob demonstrating at a trade show in 2007 that he can still play.

  7. Mater

    Have you seen the little tubster lately?
    You couldn’t squeeze into a Steinway concert grand.

    An observation my wife made last night.
    Clearly, you were there last night, too. Undercover again, I assume?

  8. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Dave at 2.11. All the things you point out are the heritage of everyone using the term Australia about where they live and the standard of living that they enjoy. Don’t like it, get over it.

  9. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    numbers can you please stop parading your utterly fake compassion

  10. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Dr Faustus at 11:40 am :

    “… There would be fear and courage, arrogance and humility, the failure of communication, the tragic triumph of brutality. Desperation, resistance, loss,” he said in a speech prepared for delivery in the Blue Mountains.

    As a new society slowly and unsteadily rose to its feet, a mosaic of ancient societies was brought to its knees. …”

    Now that is bloody hard to beat, the last prosaic piece about mosaics. Quite beautiful, rich, poetic.

    I remind viewers of Albosleazey’s personal best:

    “In Australia we have serious challenges to solve and we need serious people to solve them.
    Unfortunately, Tony Abbott is not the least bit interested in fixing anything. He is only interested in two things: making Australians afraid of it and telling them who’s to blame for it.”

    Albosleaze, National Press Club, January 2012 (Kirk Douglas’ lad © 1995)

    While he is busy insulting Australians the ugly little greaser needs a swift lesson in what constitutes “brutality” and being brought to one’s knees from Tom Domican or Joe Meissner.

  11. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Even a National Day ceremony – celebrated by all and sundry- is anathametic to any aboriginal ceremony that I have ever heard of. They tend to be open only to the initiated, excluding women, and definitely excluding anyone outside the tribal group.

    what’s any aboriginal word for nation? …. bueller….. bueller…. bueller….

  12. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Mongolia closes border to china

  13. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Grow up, Numbers. Better to be colonised by the British than by anyone else.

    Oh how I despise those Romans, Vikings and Saxons who ruined Brythonic Wales etc etc. NOT. I am part all of them genetically (in Gaul my paternal ancestral name goes back to Roman times) and I have got over it. No-one has given me a castle yet, nor acreage, but I’ve managed somehow. Time to forget the bad bits and move on as a Nation. People like you don’t help at,all.

  14. Bruce of Newcastle

    Indigenous Australians are so ungrateful…..

    Numbers – Yes they are.
    After all they could’ve ended up colonized by the French, Spanish, Belgians, Chinese or muslims.
    Every indigenous people in that situation has suffered far worse than British subjects.

  15. Bruce of Newcastle

    Indigenous Australians are so ungrateful…..

    Numbers – Yes they are.
    After all they could’ve ended up colonized by the French, Spanish, Belgians, Chinese or mus lims.
    Every indigenous people in that situation has suffered far worse than British subjects.

  16. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    The Normans, btw, were simply Vikings with slightly better table manners, just in case you thought I’d left them out. 🙂

  17. Knuckle Dragger

    Who’s going to be the first to let O Captain My Captain know that smallpox was introduced directly to the Aurukun punters by Indo trepang fisherman, and was already established when the nasty whites invaded?

    Oh.

    Liability Bob,

    Smallpox was introduced directly to the Aurukun punters by Indo trepang fisherman, and was already established when the nasty whites invaded.

    No I’m not providing links. There have been tons put up in the last week, probably while you were busy waiting for the Metamucil to kick in.

  18. Nick

    ‘KD, I suggest Shanghai as a great place for your first visit to China.’

    China is a strange beast. The sheer scale of it is amazing. Shanghai is well worth seeing and seeing how quickly it has changed. Don’t go in Summer though.

  19. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    My cold returned overnite. Loaded on Codral again.

    Better stay home to avoid dirty looks from fellow shoppers.

  20. Arky

    KD, I suggest Shanghai as a great place for your first visit to China.

    ..
    Wrong.
    Go to Taiwan.

  21. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Shanghai was great last year on our way to Alaska. Art Deco is magnificent.

  22. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    http://virological.org/t/ncov-2019-codon-usage-and-reservoir-not-snakes-v2/339

    A paper by Ji et al. suggesting that snakes might serve as a likely reservoir for the novel nCoV-2019 virus was recently published after accelerated review and widely circulated by the news media (https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/jmv.25682 106)I used the same codon tables used by Ji et al. from the commonly used Kazusa codon table database (http://www.kazusa.or.jp/codon/ 16) – however, several of these codon tables are out of date and for some of the species investigated, severely undersampled. I also obtained codon tables from a larger set of species using the more comprehensive tables from “HIVE-CUT”:

    In conclusion, the study by Ji et al. is flawed and there is no evidence for snakes being the reservoir for nCoV-2019. This does not mean that snakes couldn’t be the reservoir, however, there is currently no data to support this claim and I find that hypothesis unlikely given that nCoV-2019 is closely related to SARS-CoV-like viruses circulating in bats. At this stage, we still do not know what the reservoir for nCoV-2019 is and how widespread it is

  23. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘KD, I suggest Shanghai as a great place for your first visit to China.’
    Fully agree!!’

    Oh ho ho ho ho ho no. Not my first rodeo, people.

    This is some sort of Malmo arrangement, surely. That said, and as opposed to donut man, if someone stumps up I’ll go. But only if I get to see Jackie Chan.

  24. 1735099

    numbers can you please stop parading your utterly fake compassion

    I’m posting history.
    How you feel about it is up to you.

  25. No decision making, no quarantining Australia while it may do some good, just arse covering, protocol waving posturing. Making soothing noises because it’s all they have.
    Just like every other bloody problem the Canberra Clown Circus ever have encountered.
    And every bloody night, they hit the knees praying it doesn’t get worse before their pension and super payout happens.

    Let me just add:

    Too bloody lazy to do the jobs they spend years touting for, and too bloody arrogant to even make the slightest effort to do the ONE BLOODY JOB on the list of “Things To Do” when a crisis emerges.
    It would take sod all effort, Do Nothing Morrison, to just say to the Ministers and Department Heads “Australia is closed. Make it so”.

  26. Shy Ted

    1735099 #3303734, posted on January 27, 2020 at 12:14 pm
    Only two fellows of the Royal Australasian College of Surgeons currently identify as being of Aboriginal or Torres Strait Island descent. 50/50 you’ll guess the right one. Neither have ever been anywhere near Mt Isa though. No Aboriginal paediatricians. Sure they weren’t PhD Drs?
    Anyway, here’s a link to current Mt Isa flooding. Little video too. Back in the 90s I used to love standing with half the town as the first trickle came down the Leichhardt. In half an hour it was a raging torrent, dangerous too if you were an idiot and didn’t move quickly enough. For the life of me I can’t remember which side of the river the special school was on.

  27. Knuckle Dragger

    Shy Ted, just now:

    Glorious.

  28. 1735099

    Smallpox was introduced directly to the Aurukun punters by Indo trepang fisherman, and was already established when the nasty whites invaded.

    And how many Indo trepang fishermen do you reckon made it to Botany Bay in 1789?
    Not too many trepang in that neck of the woods, AFAIK.

  29. Mater

    Every indigenous people in that situation has suffered far worse than British subjects

    Could’ve had a visit from the Maori’s:

    “He made it, and four days after Pagan’s death a muster of police and armed squatters rode north. Among them was ‘the Government Flogger’, a Maori who had been assigned to the police unit….

    But the cordon was not complete, and many Aborigines escaped. However, when the whites entered the camp: “Several of the blacks were found to have been shot, while a New Zealander – the flogger – tomahawked all he could get at – young or old…”

    The flogger reputedly scalped his victims.”

    Jacinda?

  30. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘I’m posting history.’

    You’re posting no such thing, Mr Fauxcompassion ‘I write for an audience’.

  31. Good question about under what conditions the Brazilian lice were employed. I don’t know. Lots of them worked in cafes, mobile snack bars, manning stands at festivals, and flashing their white bits as cocktail waitresses. They also flogged hand made junk on the board walks.
    That has all stopped now, but they are still around. Probably doing illegal cleaning and running surf lessons etc, there is plenty of that work around.
    If the regs that stopped the Brazilians were also responsile for getting rid of Andean flute groups, I have found a reason to love red tape.

  32. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Then there’s the massacres.

    Indigenous Australians are so ungrateful…..

    Cullien La Ringo, Hornet Bank, the Bathurst seven, oh wait..

  33. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘Not too many trepang in that neck of the woods, AFAIK.’

    Nope. But there was certainly smallpox, brought down from northern Queensland through the trading system.

    There was no smallpox on the Fleet. Given the incubation period, they would certainly have noticed.

  34. johanna

    Mick, there have been some prosecutions as as result of the TURC, although not as many as we would have wished. In Queensland, some of the most egregious wrongdoings have been pursued with success.

    However, in the ACT, the combination of cops whose combined IQ would barely get them into preschool, and a lot of political pressure, meant that the union thugs got off and are now suing for damages.

    Sparkles is still free and clear, alas. What do you expect in NSW?

    I’ve watched bits of the latest version in Victoria. They don’t have a Heydon, of course.

    Anyway, as discussed here and elsewhere at length and in detail, in re bushfires in Australia, official inquiries are usually vehicles for arse-covering.

  35. Cassie of Sydney

    “Indigenous Australians are so ungrateful…..”

    Actually a lot are “ungrateful”….equally a lot are not ungrateful. There are men and women like Black Ball, Jacinta Price, Warren Mundine and Anthony Dillon and countless others who love this country, who want to empower their fellow Indigenous Australians and who refuse to sprout the black arm band version of Australian history so demanded by the progressive left. Ah…but you see……those Indigenous Australians who are stepping up and stepping out and who are refusing to kowtow to the likes of the Toowoomba Turd and all the rest of the scum on the left………well they must be demonised, silenced and negated.

    It was very interesting to see how the Toowoomba Turd treated Black Ball yesterday…it was highly demeaning…dare I say the word….racist! The Turd questioned Black Ball’s indigenous background..all because Black Ball actually thinks differently to how the Turd wants him to think. But the Turd has a lot of form doing this……only a few weeks back he attempted to negate and deny my real living experiences as a Jooo who had experienced anti-Semitism.

    Remind me again…who is the racist here?

  36. JB of Sydney/Shanghai

    KD, you should be safe enough in China.

  37. Cassie of Sydney

    “Shy Ted
    #3303880, posted on January 27, 2020 at 2:50 pm”

    Good one Shy Ted….what do you expect from the racist…he just lies constantly.

  38. Dave in Marybrook

    Scroll The Troll 2020, cats

  39. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Then there’s the massacres.

    Indigenous Australians are so ungrateful…..

    Forrest River, Bedford Downs, Mistake Creek, and that was in Western Australia alone..

  40. Knuckle Dragger

    JB,

    I’ve changed my mind. Any country with that many sex robots can’t be all bad.

  41. Boambee John

    MatrixTransform
    #3303815, posted on January 27, 2020 at 1:46 pm
    A site that contains page after page of racial abuse would not be the place to “out” anyone indigenous – too many unhinged crackpots and certifiable lunatics frequent this site.

    Wasn’t it only yesterday the Numptard was complaining about abuse ?

    Maybe it needs another Mass to top up its graces ?

    It was only yesterday that the seagull was accusing Black Ball of lying about his aboriginality, based on absolutely no evidence.

    One Mass would not be ehough, the seagull needs a complete Novena, just to start the process.

  42. 1735099

    For the life of me I can’t remember which side of the river the special school was on.

    In Sunset on the Eastern side of the Leichhardt on Marian St.
    I had to report to the Regional Director with recommendations about its future in 1995.
    Central Office wanted to close it – too expensive.
    My recommendation was that it remain open as a centre of excellence for remote North West communities.
    The RD went along with that, and it remained.
    I haven’t been back to the Isa since 1996, but looks like it’s survived.

  43. ZK2A:

    Good luck when the tribal elders start administering traditional punishments.

    If you don’t like Tribal Punishment, don’t commit Tribal Crimes, or come to some other living arrangement.
    Look. The blend of the two cultures is unworkable. Stop throwing money at the vinegar and oil – it won’t blend them together.

  44. Zippy:

    I got 100 of these N95 face masks, I am dubious about them blocking much

    My sister – 40 years OT nurse tells me the masks saturate with filtered material after ten minutes of use. Then the stuff on the outside starts pushing the pathogens through into the airstream. Manufacturers advice.

  45. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘The RD went along with that, and it remained.’

    If only you’d done the same with the spack bus.

  46. Arky

    Phew eh?
    Those NIB shares gave plummetted since the armadillo rat AIDS outbreak.
    Lemme look at the other health insurers…

  47. candy

    John McEnroe is an unpleasant man.
    I don’t think he as an American should be verbally abusing Margaret Court in Australia to ruin her half acceptance by Tennis Australia.
    Seems like misogyny.

  48. Cold-Hands

    Excellent point. To my detriment, I have forgotten the name of the young journo punter who nailed Tits to a tree mid-presser about how much something or other was going to cost.

    That was Jonathan Lea, then a Senior Reporter with 10 News, shortly given his marching orders after the election. Lea followed up Shorten’s non-answer with some pointed tweets:

    ‘Five times I asked Bill Shorten what the cost of his emissions reduction target would be to the economy? And when Australia would know,’ Lea said.

    ‘Five times he refused to even try to answer. Frustrating.’

    Were these events related? Who can say…

  49. 1735099

    You’re posting no such thing, Mr Fauxcompassion ‘I write for an audience’.

    Find me one post containing an historical inaccuracy.

    Nope. But there was certainly smallpox, brought down from northern Queensland through the trading system.

    Wow – so according to your version of history the Gweagal were trading with the Ngatjan, Mamu, Wanjuri, Tjupkai, and Barbaram mob?
    Were they using the 1789 version of Greyhound Australia?
    Must have been a bugger of a trip in those days.

  50. calli

    McEnroe proves that viciousness doesn’t mellow with age.

    He was a monster then and he’s a silly old crankbot now.

    At only 7 Grand Slams, the guy is most likely jealous.

  51. johanna

    Now John McEnroe, obviously suffering from Relevance Deprivation Syndrome, has announced that he is against Margaret Court:

    Tennis legend John McEnroe has labelled fellow tennis star Margaret Court Australia’s “crazy aunt” and urged Serena Williams to “do me a favour” and win two more Grand Slams this year so “we can leave Margaret Court and her offensive views in the past where they both belong”.

    There is no chance at all that Serena will beat Margaret Court’s record.

    Piss off.

  52. Shy Ted

    I am buoyed by the fact that in a few years time all the luvvies who voluntarily paid rent to the Warriors of Aboriginal Resistance yesterday will wake up and say “we got done”.

  53. Boambee John

    Then there’s the lifestyle enhancers –
    Grog

    At least in theory, Aurukun is a “dry” community. Had you looked up from scavenging discarded potato chips and read the article, you might, assuming at least some basic reading comprehension ability, have noticed the role of “sly grog”, trafficked by members of the community, in the troubles.

    You might have also noticed that much of the problem is based on “inter-clan”, (ie, racial) differences.

  54. Arky

    medibank down too, not as much as nib

  55. Caveman

    Anyone want to take a stab in the dark as to what Box Hill Hospital ED looks like right about now?

    Working down here atm staying in a joint looking over Box Hill hospital. Went to pick up a battery at Sydney Tools in Blackburn and the guy was telling me they have run out of P2 masks, all the China’s are buying them up doesnt know when he will get more. If I knew I would have bought a stack from Sydney and sold them outside the ED at Box Hill could have made a motza.

  56. candy

    McEnroe thinks he can tell Australians what to think.
    Like Q&A when I used to watch it would line up overseas “experts” and “movie stars” telling us how racist, homophobic and downright bad people Australians are.

  57. candy

    Look. The blend of the two cultures is unworkable.

    Reconciliation will never happen.

  58. Boambee John

    No I’m not providing links

    KD

    No need fro links, after all, this was clearly laid out by Perferrer St Tim Flannery in his anthropogical, as different to his climatologist, role, on, IIRC, either Their ABC or the SBS.

  59. That was Jonathan Lea, then a Senior Reporter with 10 News, shortly given his marching orders after the election. Lea followed up Shorten’s non-answer with some pointed tweets:
    ……..
    Were these events related? Who can say…

    Due to the poor optics of sacking Lea during the campaign, he was immediately removed from covering the Shorten campaign & transferred to covering the Morrison campaign.

    Thus if he didn’t ask tough ones of Morrison & make Morrison look like shit (coz “balance), his snookering of Shorten becomes invalid, coz “biased”
    If he did manage to ask a tough one of Morrison & make him look like shit:
    Whoopee.

    (but still be sure to have Lea “resign” a suitable time after the election, pour encourager les autres.)

  60. Boambee John:

    At least in theory, Aurukun is a “dry” community. Had you looked up from scavenging discarded potato chips and read the article, you might, assuming at least some basic reading comprehension ability, have noticed the role of “sly grog”, trafficked by members of the community, in the troubles.

    Great reference to the Seagull. Made me lol.

  61. Bruce of Newcastle

    And how many Indo trepang fishermen do you reckon made it to Botany Bay in 1789?

    Came across Australia. There weren’t any infected people in the first fleet.

    The interesting hypothesis that it was actually chickenpox is one I hadn’t heard before. Seems a reasonable idea. The aborigninal people would have no immunity to chickenpox either, and it’s very contagious as we all know.

  62. So with this China Syndrome virus, does this mean condoms when having sex with rodents?

  63. Boambee John

    candy
    #3303914, posted on January 27, 2020 at 3:26 pm
    McEnroe thinks he can tell Australians what to think.
    Like Q&A when I used to watch it would line up overseas “experts” and “movie stars” telling us how racist, homophobic and downright bad people Australians are.

    These days, the fascist left is the natural home of the cultural cringe.

  64. stackja

    AS the Australia Day weekend of 1974 approached, Queensland was already in the midst of one its wettest summers on record.

    Nine people had died across the state as monsoonal rains wreaked havoc in the Gulf country and the north-west but there was no hint of the devastation that would be inflicted on the capital in what would be its worst natural disaster of the century.

    The ’74 flood would profoundly change Brisbane and leave scars on the thousands affected.

    It would usher in the building of the Wivenhoe Dam which the politicians proclaimed would be Brisbane’s great protector and flood-proof the city.

    Eventually the memories of the calamity slowly receded just as the flood waters had, and Brisbane embraced its river like never before.

    Docks and warehouses were replaced by riverside homes and apartments, floating walkways and restaurants.

    And then came January, 2011 …. .

  65. stackja

    oronavirus outbreak kills 80 people, fifth case in NSW confirmed
    NSW has confirmed a woman is the state’s fifth case of China’s coronavirus as the death toll hit 80. The Federal Government is trying to rescue 100 Aussie kids in the virus’ epicentre.

    Jessica McSweeney, Sue Dunlevy, Louise Starkey, News Corp Australia Network
    Subscriber only
    |
    January 27, 2020 3:40pm

    The coronavirus death toll in China has sharply risen to 80, as NSW has confirmed a fifth case.

    NSW chief health officer Dr Nicole Chant told reporters the 21-year-old woman who has the virus travelled on a direct flight from Sydney to Wuhan.

    She was on China Eastern flight MU749 from Wuhan arriving in Sydney on January 23 — the last direct flight from the city to Australia before the travel ban.

    Dr Chant said the young woman kept herself isolated before alerting medical authorities to her illness.

    “She was met at the airport, she obviously received the fact sheet that said, ‘If you become unwell, attend and seek care, and these are the signs and symptoms’,” she said.

  66. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘Find me one post containing an historical inaccuracy.’

    Doing your work for you again, but – the one that contained the bit about Europeans bringing smallpox to the natives.

    ‘Were they using the 1789 version of Greyhound Australia?’

    No, you mong. Tribe trades/swaps chicks and smallpox with next tribe. Who then trades/swaps chicks and smallpox with next tribe down. And so on, until it gets to NSW. Easy done. They had centuries to do it.

    Or – are you saying that all these tribes were insular, and never imparted knowledge and wisdom and goods with others? That they were primitive?

    You low-expectation racist.

  67. Helen

    I guess the houses in the Pasco city/ies would have been built something like this? Or maybe they went straight to stone from bark and bypassed this stage?

  68. Helen

    Confused there, stackja, for a minute I thought the girl had taken the disease from Australia to Wuhan.

    travelled on a direct flight from Sydney to Wuhan.

    Then I read on.

  69. johanna

    Thanks, areff. What an exuberant band they were. Not very Melbourne at all. (;

  70. johanna

    Oh, and I loved Mackenzie Theory.

  71. Mater

    Of course one hypothetical that we’ll never know the answer to is what would’ve happened if Australia had been left to continue as an ‘Aboriginal nation’. Contact with the rest of the world was inevitable, as was trading and, hence, access to modern technology. What would’ve happened when one tribe got access to firearms, and other tribes did not?

    Disarm a village in Afghanistan today, and you’ll have a surrogate case study. In short, that village will cease to exist very quickly.

    In Australian terms, the Native Police give us a reasonable insight into what would’ve been likely. They weren’t called the “Scourge of the Frontier” for nothing. Many turned to bush ranging after they were disbanded, for being uncontrollable.

    No, nothing was ever going to stay the same in Australia, after boats had been invented, regardless of the colonisers. Technology was going to change everything. Those who think otherwise are perpetuating Dreamtime myths.

  72. Boambee John

    Winston

    Great reference to the Seagull. Made me lol.

    I don’t so much dislike the potato chip scavenging, it is the enthusiasm with which the seagull craps all over the thread that irritates.

  73. cohenite

    © Steven Oliver 24/01/2012

    Let’s hope the treasonous troll catches the chink virus.

    Days set aside for the 44th nations:

    NAIDOC Week is held in the first full week of July each year
    National Sorry Day is held on 26 May each year
    National Reconciliation Week (NRW) is celebrated across Australia every year from 27 May to 3 June
    Mabo Day is celebrated each year on 3 June.
    Survival Day on 26 January
    National Close the Gap Day around 2 April each year
    International Day of the World’s Indigenous People on 9 August.

  74. cohenite

    The fact is whatever dysfunction occurs within the 51st nations today is entirely caused by left activists: the money, 30 billion PA, the putting on the pedestal, the black armband history, the entitlement, the remote communities, the endless concessions, the hatred towards the wider community; all this divisive, ignorant tension all wrong, all based on the left’s hatred of the West and Australia and their use of the 32nd nations as noble victims to justify their own moral superiority.

  75. Knuckle Dragger

    If you add White Knighting By Pompous Elderly Self-Admitted Subversive Tax Leecher Day, that’s an impressive list indeed.

  76. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    summary of what we know about source of nCov2019

    single point of contact with humans sometime in nov 2019
    first reported case had nothing to do with huannan seafood market
    snakes are not a reservoir for the virus
    the virus is a SAR x bat coronavirus
    soon as the provincial government identifies the seafood market as an epicenter of a pneumonia outbreak it shuts it down and clears it out
    no reports of tests on animals from market
    police arrest 8 people talking about the outbreak
    officials quarantine 120 people in close contact with the seafood market outbreak.
    provincial gov organises a mass communal dinner in the area seemingly to signify situation normal
    chicom that participated in creation of a chimeric SAR x bat coronavirus in the US in 2015, now works at wuhan virology institute
    chicoms were punted from canada for “policy breach” at level 4 bio lab in canada in 2018

  77. Cassie of Sydney

    “If you add White Knighting By Pompous Elderly Self-Admitted Subversive Tax Leecher Day, that’s an impressive list indeed.”

    lol

  78. stackja

    John McEnroe slams Tennis Australia’s stance on Margaret Court – Herald Sun January 27, 2020

    McEnroe disqualified from Australian Open
    By BRIAN DEWHURST – UPI ARCHIVES JAN. 21, 1990
    MELBOURNE, Australia — years successfully defying authority, John McEnroe received a match default for abusive language in his 4th round match and was disqualified from the Australian Open.

  79. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    If you add White Knighting By Pompous Elderly Self-Admitted Subversive Tax Leecher Day, that’s an impressive list indeed.

    Pay that one, K.D.

  80. Archivist

    Guess where China’s biowarfare programme is based?
    Wuhan.
    This looks like the biggest ‘oops’ of all time.
    How exactly, did it happen I wonder….
    medical waste got chucked into a regular dumpster?
    Someone continued to wear wear their sterilised gloves after they left the lab (instead of disposing of them at the door)?
    A cleaner rinsed their mop in the back carpark?
    We’ll probably never know.

    I guess the old “near enough is good enough” mindset isn’t actually good enough when you’re experimenting with deadly pathogens.

  81. JC

    cohenite
    #3303937, posted on January 27, 2020 at 4:11 pm

    The fact is whatever dysfunction occurs within the 51st nations today is entirely caused by left activists: the money, 30 billion PA, the putting on the pedestal, the black armband history, the entitlement, the remote communities, the endless concessions, the hatred towards the wider community; all this divisive, ignorant tension all wrong, all based on the left’s hatred of the West and Australia and their use of the 32nd nations as noble victims to justify their own moral superiority.

    You know Cronkite, in a very narrow respect, plodes is right to accuse people here of being just another version of leftwingers. Whatever can be said about the evil left should be said. However, that takes nothing away from the need for adults to demonstrate personal responsibility and take their lives in their own care and push forward for a better alternative.

  82. JC

    chicom that participated in creation of a chimeric SAR x bat coronavirus in the US in 2015, now works at wuhan virology institute
    chicoms were punted from canada for “policy breach” at level 4 bio lab in canada in 2018

    If that ends up being true, then the US and Canadian authorities bare responsibility for having inadequate security to prevent leakage.

  83. Fisky

    Joe Harvey
    @SensibleSenta
    Tourism Minister Simon Birmingham said “the government was trying to clarify how Beijing’s block on group travel would affect Australian tourism..urgently seeking clarification from Chinese.. whether..include sales to Australia.” Priorities of Govt. clear!

    This government is just embarrassing. FFS, you are NOT getting a surplus this year. It’s just not going to happen. Get over it!

  84. 1735099

    Tribe trades/swaps chicks and smallpox with next tribe. Who then trades/swaps chicks and smallpox with next tribe down. And so on, until it gets to NSW. Easy done. They had centuries to do it.

    That comfortable explanation has been comprehensively debunked as it has been applied to the 1789 outbreak at Botany bay.
    From – The origin of the smallpox outbreak in Sydney in 1789
    Journal of the Royal Australian Historical Society
    Volume 94 Issue 1 (June 2008)
    Mear, Craig

    I have access to it through my USQ log in, so the link may not get you to the whole article.
    Some extracts –

    In April 1789, just over fifteen months after the First Fleet of British convicts,
    sailors and marines had arrived in Port Jackson, the Aborigines of the Sydney
    region were seen to be dying in large numbers in the vicinity of the British
    settlement.

    This paper focuses on the thesis that supports the Macassan introduction of
    smallpox, and finds that it fails to establish a convincing case, creating more
    contradictions than answers to the question of where the smallpox epidemic in
    Sydney originated.
    The paper comes to the conclusion that the theory of an
    introduction by the British offers the most feasible explanation for the outbreak of smallpox in Sydney and the south.

    If Campbell is right and smallpox was introduced by Macassan trepangers in the
    1780s its spread defies all logic. To postulate that smallpox, which needs a large
    population to reproduce itself, could spread so far over such a long time, in groups
    which were by the nature of their existence small and fairly self contained, moving
    contrary to existing trade routes and custom is drawing a very long bow.

    There is no proof that smallpox was deliberately released by the British in
    Sydney but, uncomfortable as it is to modern Australians, it is clear from the
    evidence that the idea that it was introduced by Macassan fishermen in the Northern
    Territory and travelled to Sydney at just the time the British arrived is untenable.
    Somehow the British brought smallpox with them on the First Fleet and it was
    released into the Aboriginal community in 1789 to wreak havoc, and begin the
    destruction of Aboriginal societies in Australia.

    What remains unknown is exactly how the disease was released.
    There is a claim that it was deliberate, but there is no conclusive evidence of that.

    I can paste the whole 22 page article if you want.

  85. Arky

    Has anyone seen our Armadildo since armadillo rat AIDS went live?
    I think I know the source of the outbreak…

  86. Mitch M.

    However, that takes nothing away from the need for adults to demonstrate personal responsibility and take their lives in their own care and push forward for a better alternative.

    That’s the heart of the issue but no activist wants to go there because it requires an examination of individual behaviors which does their cause no good at all. The legal and political wranglings are diversions that stops people focusing on the fact that nearly all of aboriginal problems be those raising children, STDs, incarceration, depression, type 2 diabetes, kidney failure, drug and alcohol abuse, and community violence have nothing to do with legal and political debates that dominate the nation and everything to do with individual behavior. Anyone who think a treaty or a voice in parliament is going to institute the necessary behavior changes doesn’t understand human behavior.

    If you want to debate activists ask them this: name one major issue for indigenous peoples that they accept responsibility for and acknowledge it is up to them to change their behavior.

  87. Fisky

    According to state media, the PRC is going to build a hospital in six days, also they’ve developed a vaccine already. LOL

  88. Old Lefty

    McEnroe is the last person in the tennis world to lecture others. It was he who launched the deterioration in behaviour that has led us to Krygios – not just with his tantrums on court, but with the trademark grunt that accompanied his service.

    One of the many things to admire about Ash Barty, beside her skill as a player, is the grace and dignity with which she conducts herself. In that respect also, she is in company with Margaret Court, Laver, Emerson and their generation.

    And as for Sir Elton, one of the advantages of travelling by private jet (apart from avoiding the plebs on commercial flights and being able to lend it to environmental virtue signalling royals), is that you can scream at the crew and throw bags out of the aircraft door without ending up in the police cells.

  89. JC

    According to state media, the PRC is going to build a hospital in six days,

    It’s probably more worthwhile building a crematorium.

  90. Arky

    I think I also know who released smallpox on the aborigines…
    Hmmmm.

  91. calli

    Somehow the British brought smallpox with them

    Can’t dispute that. Very sciency.

    Then there’s this (the first cab off the rank when I Google “carriers of smallpox “)

    The variola virus is the only known cause of smallpox. The disease affects only humans. No animal reservoirs or insect vectors (insects that spread a disease) exist, and no carrier state (period when the virus is in the body, but the person is not actively sick) occurs.
    http://www.emedicinehealth.com › smallpox › article_em

    Now they may be wrong too. But it seems that it has to be person to person via droplet.

  92. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Wuhan seafood market may not be source of novel virus spreading globally
    Lucey says if the new data are accurate, the first human infections must have occurred in November—if not earlier—because there is an incubation time between infection and symptoms surfacing. If so, the virus possibly spread silently between people in Wuhan and perhaps elsewhere before the cluster of cases from the city’s now infamous Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market was discovered in late December. “The virus came into that marketplace before it came out of that marketplace,” Lucey asserts.

  93. Knuckle Dragger

    Mr. Mear, from twelve years ago and also before a wealth of further exploration in this issue occurred:

    ‘If Campbell is right and smallpox was introduced by Macassan trepangers in the 1780s its spread defies all logic.’

    The disease was not introduced by the trepang fishos in the 1780s. It was found, comprehensively (see the well-credentialed and much more contemporary links than the USQ library’s Quietly Dropped Theories section earlier on this thread, and the last one) that the fishos rubbed themselves all over the Carpentarians a couple of hundred years before that.

    Researching skills are deficient. No soup for you. D+.

  94. Bruce of Newcastle

    Yeah, yeah, yeah Numbers. We’ve all heard that before.
    They’re not called the history wars for nothing.
    Most academics are lefties these days I can point out.
    The chicken pox theory is much more plausible since many of the First Fleet people would have been latent carriers. Chicken pox was bad news for the Mesoamericans when the Spanish rocked up.

  95. Knuckle Dragger

    *on this issue*

    Yes it was the penis banner.

  96. JC

    20 could be a dreadful year for Australia. The surplus is gonsky from just the fire alone. If the virus really catches a head of steam in China there’s less demand for raw mats. This has a big carry through to the budget and economic activity generally. Monetary policy may even have to be eased further possibly into QE territory. The aussie is potentially fucked.

  97. Bar Beach Swimmer

    1735099
    #3303491, posted on January 27, 2020 at 7:32 am
    This behaviour should have stayed in South Africa.

    Pleased to see our resident Leftist has shown a moment of rational thought, unlike the author of that ABC piece.

    (The other half and I discussed this over breakfast this morning and couldn’t believe the anecdote as told).

    Place: Charlestown Swimming Pool, NSW, October 2019.

    People present: The author, an ABC Newcastle journalist, and her small boy aged six and 2x boys ‘barely teenagers and appeared to be brothers’.

    Scene: Son enjoying the pool; the two boys ‘pointed in our direction and one whispered, “I thought this whole pool was for upper-class people only”. They pointed again and ‘whispered loudly, “Bantu Kaffir, Bantu Kaffir”. ‘The boys didn’t stop there [saying] “Get on the bus, get on the bus, get on the bus Aunt Maree, get on the bus”.

    ABC Journalist, complains to the pool attendant about being ‘racially vilified’. The attendant asked “what is that?”

    Nowhere does the author suggest that the two boys are not Australian, yet the language is clearly not of an Australian pre-teen, teen or any other age group, expression. Nor is their any way an Australian frequenting the Charlestown Pool would have suggested that it is only for “upper-class people”. I doubt that pre-teen boys from suburban Australia would in any way understand “class”.

    The article goes on to discuss the proposed training of Lake Macquarie Council staff on ‘aggressive behaviour and giving staff the tools and training so that they can respond appropriately’, said Brad Sutton, the Council’s manager of leisure services.

    If it did happen, they’re not Australians, but the entire suburb of Charlestown has been maligned by the claims.

    If it did happen, as Numbers thoughtfully points out, the ABC journalist should have picked up the accent and made it clear that the sentiment did not originate with Australian children or their families.
    And if it didn’t happen, then it’s a bit like the #i’llridewithyou hashtag and the Lindt Café siege. Perhaps a slow Australia Day news day at the ABC so must find some wacism somewhere!

    btw, what since local government in this country is the wokiest of the woke, what type of council staff working for any council in Australia today would not know what being ‘racially vilified’ is?

  98. Fisky

    It’s probably more worthwhile building a crematorium.

    Who says that’s not what they’re actually doing

  99. Bruce of Newcastle

    This article has a nice doublet photo of smallpox and chicken pox lesions. You can easily imagine why the British at Sydney Cove would think very severe chicken pox would be smallpox, and report it as that.

  100. Fisky

    Amitis Karami
    @AmiKarami
    Replying to
    @adamseconomics
    truly disgusting! I have been to 10 different chemists to get some masks, there was none. the lady in chemist told me the mask inventory throughout Sydney is ran out!

    Where’d all dem masks go? Probably the same place as the milk powder!

  101. 1735099

    Smallpox was not the only “civilising” gift brought by the settlers.
    There were hundreds of incidents like this one.

  102. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘It’s probably more worthwhile building a crematorium.’

    Chinee hospital, Chinee people oven.

    Per-tay-do, per-tart-oh.

  103. Fisky

    20 could be a dreadful year for Australia. The surplus is gonsky from just the fire alone. If the virus really catches a head of steam in China there’s less demand for raw mats. This has a big carry through to the budget and economic activity generally. Monetary policy may even have to be eased further possibly into QE territory. The aussie is potentially fucked.

    That’s already baked in. There is almost no activity at all within China. Everything’s gone dead. They’ve already lost a couple weeks worth of GDP from this, and it’s got some way to go yet.

    Our dumb government will probably offer free group tours to all Chinese to keep the economy humming.

  104. Gilas

    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
    #3303808, posted on January 27, 2020 at 1:38 pm

    Lizzie, he was talking abut the rent seeker speaker.

    Great. I’d hate to think such invective was delivered to any of the three Kittehs commenting on the issue.

    Lizzie, please.

    Kittehs don’t believe that $32-35 billions, every year, of OUR money, handed over to a bunch of parasitic, perpetually aggrieved, culturally-reprehensible Paleolithic remnants and their white chancers is never enough.
    And that this prehistoric rump of losers always deserve more, so they can whinge and rant, and lecture us, and insult us, with undisguised contempt and their unique brand of utterly fake moral superiority.

    Please note: I am not talking about the normal, morally exceptional, sensible ones like Black Ball, the Prices, BST and their ilk. Long may they prosper.

    The other lot can either come to the 21stC, join one of the most successful (still) societies on Earth, or eat s#it and die.
    No amount of “compassionate” Government policy, pretending to close gaps and other such mindless crap, while perpetuating their parasitism, will ever work.
    You can bank on it.

    …nothing to do with the dear Kittehs.

  105. Bruce of Newcastle

    I bet Numbers is a Stolen Generations tragic too.
    Despite the rescued children being the lucky ones.

  106. mh

    Tennis legend John McEnroe has labelled fellow tennis star Margaret Court Australia’s “crazy aunt” and urged Serena Williams to “do me a favour” and win two more Grand Slams this year so “we can leave Margaret Court and her offensive views in the past where they both belong”.

    Fuck off, John.

    How dare you say this on Australia Day.

    Get outside of the Melbourne media bubble and say that stuff to real Australians. They will knock your fucking head off you little cvnt.

  107. Knuckle Dragger

    Oh.

    So we’ve discarded smallpox now, have we? Okay.

    Hospital Creek. Near Brewarrina. FOUR HUNDRED indig were killed. Apparently.

    Man, to get 400 indig in the one place – that particular place – at the one time must have been quite a feat.

    The hunter-gatherer footprint too keep 400 people alive must be gargantuan.

  108. JC

    Bruce

    Did you have one of these?

    Ignore the fact that there is a funny word hidden in the name Janus. Built by Germans, the same country which gave us Porsche, Bugatti, BMW and Mercedes, the Zundapp was not their finest moment, let’s just put it that way. Based on a Dornier prototype and producing 14 hp from its 250 cc motor, it could only reach 50 mph. It was a quirky car to look at, we’ll give them that, but it was perhaps too quirky for its own good. It had a rear-facing bench seat for passengers, presumably to capture photos of all the cars going past them. People didn’t really buy into the whole idea of the Janus. We wonder why.

  109. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Hospital Creek. Near Brewarrina. FOUR HUNDRED indig were killed. Apparently.

    FOUR HUNDRED people killed, and, presumably their bodies disposed off, so completely, that no forensic evidence ever remained?

  110. Bruce of Newcastle

    Did you have one of these?

    No but I had one of these. Pus green coloured. It was 25 years old, very zippy and got 40 mpg.
    My 1st car!

  111. vlad

    Keith Windschuttle has looked into the Hospital Creek story and concludes:

    In short, the story is nothing better than an old bush legend, based on nothing more credible than hearsay piled on hearsay, with no plausible origin.

    https://quadrant.org.au/magazine/2017/10/vandals-take-handles/

  112. JC

    If you were getting 40 miles a gallon in those days, you would have had to be pushing that even down hill. Was it the first nano-engine?

  113. Armadillo

    It had a rear-facing bench seat for passengers, presumably to capture photos of all the cars going past them.

    Sounds almost like Arkys car, except it actually moves in a forwards motion.

    Arkys car is more like a bus stop bench. Passengers get to crane their neck to see other vehicles, from the comfort of Arkys shed/garage/rubbish dump.

  114. 8th Dan

    Who’s going to be the first to let O Captain My Captain know that smallpox was introduced directly to the Aurukun punters by Indo trepang fisherman, and was already established when the nasty whites invaded?

    Helen has likely already told Captain, so your question is obsolete. She probably loaned him her well thumbed copy of Judith Campbell’s work of fiction.

  115. JC

    Oh yea, I forgot. Arky said he owns one and uses it most days.

  116. cohenite

    However, that takes nothing away from the need for adults to demonstrate personal responsibility and take their lives in their own care and push forward for a better alternative.

    48th nations culture is arguably the most tribalized culture ever. Personal responsibility is a foreign concept.

    A while back I had a lot to do with young aboriginal sports boys: great cricketers and footballers; they would train up to frankly the highest standard at 15, 16, 17 years of age. They would then go home, out back, get in with the locals, get a girl knocked up and 5 years later they call into say hello, overweight, having been on the grog, still friendly but on sit down money. The number I saw escape the tribe was minute.

  117. mh

    The President

    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    Kobe Bryant, despite being one of the truly great basketball players of all time, was just getting started in life. He loved his family so much, and had such strong passion for the future. The loss of his beautiful daughter, Gianna, makes this moment even more devastating….
    …..Melania and I send our warmest condolences to Vanessa and the wonderful Bryant family. May God be with you all!

    Then there is the Trump-hating MSNBC

    …the kind of star that was perfectly cast on the Los Angeles Niggers.

  118. Knuckle Dragger

    I’m not doubting that events like Hospital Creek occurred, at all.

    What I am doubting is the scale of the event, and the casualties it produced.

    I couldn’t find a date on that link of the sad old man’s, so let’s say is was about 1850. To 1880, in fact. breech-loading rifles were around, but weren’t mass produced because they were expensive and fragile. If you think the Poms thought enough of Australia at the time to ship over thousands of the things to what was then very much a sideshow, with no guarantee they’d survive in the conditions, you’re kidding yourself.

    So, muskets it was then. In optimal condition, two to three rounds per minute.

    …. … …………

    Man, those Hospital Creek indig must have had tremendous self-control, standing still all that time while the colonial chaps were reloading.

  119. mh

    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    Kobe Bryant, despite being one of the truly great basketball players of all time, was just getting started in life. He loved his family so much, and had such strong passion for the future. The loss of his beautiful daughter, Gianna, makes this moment even more devastating….
    …..Melania and I send our warmest condolences to Vanessa and the wonderful Bryant family. May God be with you all!

    Then there is the Trump-hating MSNBC

    …the kind of star that was perfectly cast on the Los Angeles Nigg ers.

  120. Infidel Tiger

    According to state media, the PRC is going to build a hospital in six days,

    A couple of acres of green screen, a big pit and doctors with guns shooting anyone who coughs more likely.

  121. cohenite

    So, the twat troll has small-pox; good news.

  122. vlad

    Hospital Creek is supposed to have happened in 1859 and no written account of it is known prior to 1914. See the Keith Windschuttle piece linked to “above”.

  123. JC

    48th nations culture is arguably the most tribalized culture ever. Personal responsibility is a foreign concept.

    A while back I had a lot to do with young aboriginal sports boys: great cricketers and footballers; they would train up to frankly the highest standard at 15, 16, 17 years of age. They would then go home, out back, get in with the locals, get a girl knocked up and 5 years later they call into say hello, overweight, having been on the grog, still friendly but on sit down money. The number I saw escape the tribe was minute.

    And? And why is that our problem eggsactly?

  124. Gilas

    From the “Still catching up on the OT” Department:

    candy
    #3303819, posted on January 27, 2020 at 1:48 pm

    “And that during the asymptomatic phase, so when no symptoms are showing, it is not at this stage, according to World Health Organization officials, the best advice that’s available in Australia and internationally, a transmissible condition at that phase.”

    Hard to understand that. I thought you could contract a cold and during the next 24 hours or so have no symptoms at all, but be passing it on to other people still? so that’s a very worrying stage.

    candy is, of course, correct, and the – if this report can be believed – WHO, are yet another example of useless malignant UN-type bureaucratic waste of space and, more importantly, $$$.

    ANY infection spreading into its host population is greatly helped by silent spread during the asymptomatic, so-called incubation phase. This is usually up to 14 days, but can be quite short in the case of highly virulent infections like Ebola (a type of viral haemorrhagic fever).

    Incubation periods vary widely, depending on mode of spread (air droplet, animal vector, touch etc.), pathological virulence and host population susceptibility.
    But you can bet your last dollar that this happens because natural selection has occurred and the organism has evolved a significant survival advantage.
    Long incubation periods are usually associated with low-virulence, high incidence pandemics.
    Short incubations usually assciated with high-virulence, low-penetration, high-mortality outbreaks.

    To control pandemic spread, quarantining is required ON EXPOSURE, not only following symptom development.

    Lastly, Greg Hunt is either lazy, a moron, or both. The advice he is receiving on 2019 HCoV appears wrong. He should replace the Chief Medical Officer with someone independent of politically sensitive considerations.

    Typical of the current Australian Government, its people are its lowest priority.

  125. cohenite

    And? And why is that our problem eggsactly?

    Of course it’s not your problem head prefect; have another cigar you lard-arsed nong.

  126. Knuckle Dragger

    How many musket balls did white stockies carry in 1859?

    Oh. Less than 400. Righto.

  127. Mark from Melbourne

    Someone upthread suggested that French Bulldogs need AI to reproduce. Hence they are expensive.

    Not so, I am reliably informed. They can get the proverbial leg over but almost always require a C-section to whelp.

    Which would far better explain the cost, methinks!

  128. Knuckle Dragger

    How many musket b#lls did white stockies carry in 1859?

    Oh. Less than 400. Righto.

  129. JC

    You attempted to make it our problem a couple of comments ago, Cronkite. Shut up and go take a nap.

  130. Boambee John

    1735099
    #3303971, posted on January 27, 2020 at 4:47 pm
    Smallpox was not the only “civilising” gift brought by the settlers.

    Seagulls?

  131. Knuckle Dragger

    MFM;

    That was me. And yep, that would explain it.

    Mind you, anyone who pays $8,000 for a dog that can’t drive a ute or do your tax is kidding themselves.

    Also applies to vet bills. Any more than $300, and it’s goodbye Fido.

  132. Fisky

    It is time overdue that all Brexit-bedwetters apologised, surrendered, promised to shut up and remain silent forever, etc etc

    Major hedge funds calculate cliff-edge Brexit fears overdone

  133. Fisky

    80 deaths, and GDP “revised” to 5.9%…Mmyess myess!

    Dave Yin 殷大伟
    @yindavid
    ·
    2h
    The numbers are *very* telling. Just in Hubei, doctors requested 100,000 medical gowns A DAY. For only 2,755 confirmed cases in all of China? Something’s obviously off.

    Some good news, officials promised thousands of medical backup. #coronavirus #nCoV2019

  134. Boambee John

    Bruce of Newcastle
    #3303975, posted on January 27, 2020 at 4:50 pm
    I bet Numbers is a Stolen Generations tragic too.
    Despite the rescued children being the lucky ones.

    Aboriginal guide at the Alice Springs Telegraph Station some years ago described himself as “rescued”, pointing out that all of his non-“stolen” siblings were long dead, whereas he was living a healthy life doing a job he enjoyed.

  135. vlad

    And? And why is that our problem eggsactly?

    We’re paying them the sit-down money and we could stop.

  136. JC

    Vlad

    That’s the point. Stop paying them!

  137. Knuckle Dragger

    Boambee,

    Same same up here. I work with a very intelligent indig bloke. Smart as all get out.

    He was telling me something a month or so ago, and then mentioned his Nanna who ‘was one of the Stolen Generations’, but before I could think ‘ahhh, here we fuckin’ go’ to myself he went on to say she thought of herself as saved, as his mother did, and also that if he didn’t have the opportunities that presented when his rellos were saved he’d right that minute be lying outside a tin shed at Ngukurr’s Top Camp and dying of kidney failure.

  138. vlad

    That’s the point. Stop paying them!

    Fine by me.

  139. JC

    Zipperhead.

    The Oz Daily Quiz. I got the answer wrong, but I bet you would have known, right?

    Islam Karimov died on 2 September 2016, the day after his 25th anniversary of serving as the president of which country?

    Kazakhstan

    The correct answer was Uzbekistan

  140. 8th Dan

    According to state media, the PRC is going to build a hospital in six days,

    They built one for SARS patients in 2003, in 6 days and 7 nights … so it is said.

  141. JC

    Zipperhead.

    The Oz Daily Quiz. I got the answer wrong, but I bet you would have known, right?

    Is***lam Karimov died on 2 September 2016, the day after his 25th anniversary of serving as the president of which country?

    Kazakhstan

    The correct answer was Uzbekistan

  142. Fisky

    That’s the point. Stop paying them!

    There are no credible or remotely-possible-in-this-dimension-of-reality proposals to abolish indigenous welfare, anywhere.

  143. Mater

    Dan,
    I’m now fully au fait with the UK mental health system and their terminology – thanks for the link yesterday!
    Now can you provide something which references the NSW Health System to back up your claim and disprove my point?

  144. JC

    There are no credible or remotely-possible-in-this-dimension-of-reality proposals to abolish indigenous welfare, anywhere.

    Then stop blaming them for being on the take. People are ciphers and react as expected. If every time they make a huge splash and manage to get more mullah, be 100% certain this will continue to be repeated.

  145. duncanm

    1735099
    #3303882, posted on January 27, 2020 at 2:53 pm

    Smallpox was introduced directly to the Aurukun punters by Indo trepang fisherman, and was already established when the nasty whites invaded.

    And how many Indo trepang fishermen do you reckon made it to Botany Bay in 1789?
    Not too many trepang in that neck of the woods, AFAIK.

    So.. you link to the ABC, who reckons

    Yet the journal of marine captain Watkin Tench indicates that the First Fleet carried bottles of smallpox

    Ok – let’s do a fact check.
    A Complete Account of the Settlement at Port Jackson
    Including An Accurate Description of the Situation of the
    Colony; of the Natives; and Of Its Natural Productions
    Tench, Watkin (1759-1833)

    There is ZERO mention of the fleet carrying small pox in Tench’s journal. The first reference to the pox is as follows:

    CHAPTER IV.
    Transactions of the Colony in April and May, 1789.
    AN extraordinary calamity was now observed among the natives.
    Repeated accounts brought by our boats of finding bodies of the Indians in
    all the coves and inlets of the harbour, caused the gentlemen of our hospital
    to procure some of them for the purposes of examination and anatomy. On
    inspection, it appeared that all the parties had died a natural death:
    pustules, similar to those occasioned by the small pox, were thickly spread
    on the bodies; but how a disease, to which our former observations had led
    us to suppose them strangers, could at once have introduced itself, and
    have spread so widely, seemed inexplicable.

  146. duncanm

    1735099
    #3303904, posted on January 27, 2020 at 3:18 pm

    Find me one post containing an historical inaccuracy.

    just did – now will you post some evidence of your slur on the first fleeters, or not?

  147. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    from guardian
    More on the Australian cases of the virus, and the University of New South Wales, which is in Sydney, has confirmed that one of its students has tested positive for the virus. I am assuming that this is the 21-year-old woman referred to by the health authorities at a press conference in the past hour. The university says the student arrived back in Sydney on 22 January and was not infectious on the flight.

  148. Knuckle Dragger

    Gades!!!

    Finchy’s lads, after being the shitpot of the comp all season knock over the Brisbane Heat and their imported flogs.

    Fuck off Chris Lynn, and take yer bitching about not getting a top level IPL contract with you.

    ‘Lynnsanity’, indeed. Bald-headed flog.

  149. mh

    Brisbane Heat bundled out of the comp by the Renegades.

  150. Arky

    The resident disease vector is back from his disease tour of the planet’s history disgorging pathogens and is now criticising a man who’s hobby isn’t sneaking into restaurants and putting the forks down his pants in order to wipe out entire indigenous populations.

  151. 8th Dan

    To control pandemic spread, quarantining is required ON EXPOSURE, not only following symptom development.

    Lastly, Greg Hunt is either lazy, a moron, or both. The advice he is receiving on 2019 HCoV appears wrong. He should replace the Chief Medical Officer with someone independent of politically sensitive considerations.

    Everyone who fronts at a NSW Public Hospital ED is being asked 2 questions upfront by the Triage Nurse:

    – Have you travelled on a plane recently?
    – Have you been in contact with anyone who has been on a plane recently?

    Everyone.

    Kerry (not Nicole) Chant is doing ok.

  152. old bloke

    You need a large group of people with a food supply to sustain the first year – like a country town away from large city populations, with enough people to maintain security patrols and an effective secure area.

    The “tank and a half” rule is the first priority. Make sure your escape hole is more than a tank and a half of fuel away from major city centres. Fuel will be the first thing to disappear in the urban areas, and small regional centres will also run dry soon after.

  153. mh

    Knuckle Dragger – any words for Heat coach Darren Lehmann?

  154. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    ho ho ho JC, me borat will email you my mankini pics

  155. Porter

    Sure I’ll pay rent to the Noonga and Koori… when they reimburse me for my language, my clothes, mycar even my f****** internet and flag and everything else they’ve taken from me and my tribe. Given the rate of development in the last 60 or are we are to 80000 years now, it would take them at least 6.5 Million Years to repay the debt to my tribe alone. I want invasion day too sure no problems if you want to accept invasion then it’s bye-bye native title and I couldn’t be happier with that.

  156. Mindfree

    I noticed Kobe Bryant’s death is on 24 loop on US media
    He’s effectively taken the impeachment off the news cycle No.1 spot

    Now cats, you can see it coming but I’ll ask – have a competition – guess who’s the first nutjob to blame Trump for the accident

    And in Australia, who’s going to blame ScoMo, yes unfortunately it’s now got to that stage or what was Tony Abbott’s role in all this
    FMD

  157. Mater

    No, no, no, Dan.
    I didn’t ask about NSW Emergency Departments and what they ask.
    ‘Scheduled’ versus ‘Sectioned’ in NSW.
    Stay with me, Champ.

  158. JB of Sydney/Shanghai

    Something to remember in the endless bitching and moaning about the horrible British and their general nastiness to the “First Nation” chaps, who were living an idyllic life in the Antipodes….we are judging , from our cosseted, luxurious lifestyle, people whose life in the UK tended to be “short, nasty, and brutish. Going through my own family records (via Ancestry) I see a GGGG randmother getting a month in jail for stealing a pound of pork. Another more recent court record, 1850, shows a 14 year old boy getting a whipping,and a month in jail, for larceny. Most people in those days were either agricultural labourers, servants, or factory workers.

  159. Barry

    Government sourced abo welfare is increasingly supplemented through private sector money extorted from big mining as a condition of obtaining a social license.

    BHP for example gives CSIRO $30,000,000 for Indigenous STEM education, which is promptly pissed up against the wall by carpet baggers of various ethnicity within Australia’s Premier Research Organisation.

    BHP wouldn’t waste that kind of money unless they had to.

  160. Perfidious Albino

    Mindfree – more likely that the Clintons took down Kobe’s chopper to suck the air out of the WH Defence counsels response…

  161. Armadillo

    guess who’s the first nutjob to blame Trump for the accident

    Pelosi.

  162. vlad

    Oh, and Michelle Obama has won a Grammy.

  163. MatrixTransform

    I’m posting history.

    what a fucking simpleton

  164. 1735099

    just did – now will you post some evidence of your slur on the first fleeters, or not?

    No you didn’t.
    You posted an account from Tench’s journal which doesn’t contradict anything in the Mear article.
    Nor did I “slur the first fleeters”.

  165. calli

    Yet the journal of marine captain Watkin Tench indicates that the First Fleet carried bottles of smallpox.

    Where does his journal mention it? I’m intrigued. It’s a very bald, unambiguous statement.

  166. Dave in Marybrook

    Hey Cats-
    Find yourself stuck in a petty ping-pong posting against a peripatetically pesky pinko?
    why not Scroll the Troll!

  167. Helen

    mmm no wonder it has nearly three million views, tall ranga and handsome in a kilt (he changes later, to an evening kilt) sans t shirt, six pack. Nicely made … shelter.

  168. duncanm

    1735099
    #3304042, posted on January 27, 2020 at 6:17 pm

    just did – now will you post some evidence of your slur on the first fleeters, or not?

    No you didn’t.
    You posted an account from Tench’s journal

    exactly.

    Now go to his journal and find me the spot where he says the first fleet is carrying the pox. Shouldn’t be too hard, its in pdf and can be searched.

    This is the only extant record of Tench’s journal(s). Any source material he had is long gone.

  169. Helen

    And doesn’t speak, or squeak or whine. Just gets on with it.

  170. duncanm

    Dave in Marybrook, as much as I’d like to, bald-faced lies with no historical basis need to be countered.

  171. calli

    Sorry Dave. It interests me.

    Why would they have vials of the hideous disease? How did they keep the variola alive and active in all weathers and for months?

    I know. Curiosity killed the Kitteh.

  172. Helen

    I thought he was going to go all Asian and eat the snake he caught bare handed, but he let it go.

  173. feelthebern

    She was on China Eastern flight MU749 from Wuhan arriving in Sydney on January 23 — the last direct flight from the city to Australia before the travel ban.

    Australia all over it.

  174. Rockdoctor

    Hate to tell you Barry BHP has gone down the woke path enthusiastically. Mike Henry another blow in from the States is the CEO and wouldn’t sound out of sync with half the CEO’s of the Banks or major Australian companies at moment. Have heard first hand stories about underdone girls not much out of grad school promoted before their time making a mess of projects that usually a consultant fixes behind the scenes. Their coal division has hemorrhaged a lot of decent management blokes in recent years who are open about why they left because they are the wrong gender to get ahead. Other mining companies have paid lip service mostly while retaining the merit based system. That said BHP straddle most of the best leases in Coal & Iron Ore, they can afford it…

  175. MatrixTransform

    I’m posting history.

    no mate, your’e pretense is that you’re pimping that cherry-picked collection as a precis.
    and it isn’t

    …up to you

    no again, you disgusting pos
    your’e having a go at double-dissing here.
    What you are implying is that there should be great collective shame and/or that there is great contempt for whatever historic misdemeanor that yr trying to shame everybody for.
    Your disgusting little trick is to posit that anybody who won’t join your simplistic posturing must therefore be inherently ‘bad’

    Numptard speaks fluent logical fallacy … all day, every day

  176. vlad

    duncanm
    #3304052, posted on January 27, 2020 at 6:25 pm

    Dave in Marybrook, as much as I’d like to, bald-faced lies with no historical basis need to be countered.

    To what end? It doesn’t stop poo blogger from blogging poop, plop, plop … plop ..

  177. MatrixTransform

    Numptard, you are too stupid to argue here

  178. Tailgunner

    Alright, I got on me&IT’s guy, Nikos to beat Rafa tonight.
    5/1
    Go you crazy,Grik bastard!

  179. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    making kits for 200,000 tests per day

  180. JC

    Mike Henry another blow in from the States

    Actually, no. He’s half Japanese and half Canadian. His wife is fully Japanese and isn’t hugely English conversant. He spent a decent part of his working life in Japan and will likely return there once his tenure is up.

  181. Mater

    Not this time, Dave.
    He injected himself into a conversation with supposed expert knowledge, but can’t back it up…primarily because he is wrong.
    He can prove his point, admit he was wrong or he can be hounded each time he appears. Up to him.

  182. Dave in Marybrook

    I watched a Tom Cruise movie a few weeks ago, where the debbil debbil white man had a super-virus, stored in an ultra-secret secure lab with cryogenically cold conditions. In spanky little vials, steel-caps mon the ends, and the blue serum slopping within. IIRC, a dusky maiden in jabbed with the stuff and left to wander the rocks, back to her doomed people.
    I know it’s fanciful. I suspect that the troll does too, but he’s stirring up the idea that the First Fleet carried such eeevil technology, with ill intent.
    And apologies, I find the tangential links that this is brewing up fascinating, including the new one to me that Chicken Pox might have fouled the natives.
    But, a troll is a troll. Don’t address him directly, that way lies the mess.

  183. Tailgunner

    He’s effectively taken the impeachment off the news cycle No.1 spot

    The Rothschild crew know never to waste an opportunity.
    They ain’t stupid.
    But their game is in the open now, for those with eyes to see.

  184. feelthebern

    The real issue we have here in Oz is zero real action by the government, to be then followed up with the wrong action, too late & an over reaction.

  185. Tailgunner

    I wonder how many casting couch scenes Hemsworth went through before he got his big break?

  186. Dave in Marybrook

    Christ knows I get a thrill when anyone mentions my name here!
    Esp you, Lizzie. I’d love to write as lucidly and easily as you here and in the ‘rant.

  187. Chris

    I couldn’t find a date on that link of the sad old man’s, so let’s say is was about 1850. To 1880, in fact. breech-loading rifles were around, but weren’t mass produced because they were expensive and fragile. If you think the Poms thought enough of Australia at the time to ship over thousands of the things to what was then very much a sideshow, with no guarantee they’d survive in the conditions, you’re kidding yourself.

    So, muskets it was then. In optimal condition, two to three rounds per minute.

    I actually have a little expertise here. The ‘perfectly always true Wikipedia’ article says 1859.
    Percussion revolvers. 5 or 6 shots quick, then 5-10 mins to reload.
    Enfield rifle muskets? 5 or 6 shots per minute.
    Likely shots carried by a trooper: 10-20 but likely more if going to a serious battle.
    Don’t worry, this is the technology of the American Civil War, Crimea and the Indian Mutiny and its most unlikely but not impossible to massacre that many if you raised a district as well as the troopers.

  188. Shy Ted

    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare #3303873, posted on January 27, 2020 at 2:46 pm
    My cold returned overnite. Loaded on Codral again.

    No such thing as a cold anymore, Lizzie. It’s a virus. It has to be either catastrophic or unprecedented too. I reckon we’ll be alright cos we’ve got eucalyptus oil. It might say “poison” on the bottle but a couple of drops in every drink and on each meal, drop on finger up each nostril and same in the mouth, rub some on your throat, all over several days and it’s beaten every catastrophic and unprecedented virus that has tried to get me for years now.

  189. vlad

    Don’t worry, this is the technology of the American Civil War, Crimea and the Indian Mutiny and its most unlikely but not impossible to massacre that many if you raised a district as well as the troopers.

    And for no mention of it in print for near on sixty years?

  190. Knuckle Dragger

    We’ve been down this path, Dave.

    We even had a bloke, since flounced, who was angered that people gave the simpering pompous coward more pixel space than him.

    It is not condoned by blog management. It is encouraged. Their arguments must be blasted, like receiving a shotgun in the face, and then ridiculed.

    The last bit is of course the easy bit.

  191. Atoms for Peace

    Wondering if the Dems will ask for a break in impeachment procedures given the news cycle at the moment.

  192. Bruce of Newcastle

    Why would they have vials of the hideous disease? How did they keep the variola alive and active in all weathers and for months?

    Calli – Here’s why.

    Catherine the Great Risked Her Life for Science

    In 1762, Catherine invited the greatest expert of the day, Dr. Thomas Dimsdale of Scotland to perform inoculation (variolation) on herself, her 14-year old son Paul and her court. She wanted to set a personal example to the people of Russia and demonstrate them that the procedure was safe.

    Inoculation was a method of immunizing a person with material taken from smallpox (Variola) patients with mild infection. The method is not used anymore and has been replaced by vaccination that is an injection of a sample taken from a cow (Vacca) suffering from cowpox. The procedure was all but risk-free! Sometimes patients developed a severe case of smallpox and died after inoculation.

    Jenner found you could use harmless cow pox to generate an immune response, but before that the very dangerous variolation process was used. I can’t recall the numbers but something like 3% of variolation recipients died. Versus 30% of smallpox sufferers. What a huge risk Catherine was taking.

    The doctors on the FF would have had smallpox in their kit for innoculation purposes, since that was the only reasonable prophylactic treatment at the time if the worst happened.

  193. Tailgunner

    was 25 years old, very zippy and got 40 mpg.
    My 1st car!

    The Isuzu Bellend?
    Lol, Bruce, you’re a legend
    😃😃

  194. feelthebern

    How long has Tim Blair had that magnificent beard?

  195. Infidel Tiger

    I wonder how many casting couch scenes Hemsworth went through before he got his big break?

    The police should be raiding his compound for all the steroids he has.

  196. Helen

    Anyway, Captain is home tonight, lucky me. The planting has started, yes we have enough rain to do this and the ground around the house is now a mass of weeds. Can you call weeds lawn? My weed carpet. At least it is green. We have had over three inches in the last week and I can feel the tension lifting from my shoulders.

    I think that
    dan dan the dirty man,
    washed his face in the frying pan,
    combed his hair with the leg of a chair,
    dan, dan the dirty man
    might find this diverting. I suggest he go somewhere quiet and enjoy.

    And numbers, might like this as he is such a nob head.

  197. calli

    Also, Dave, another thing. I don’t care about Numbers’ assertions at all.

    What intrigues me is the ABC publishing lies as truth. If Tench did indeed spread smallpox amongst the indigenes, that is a crime of gargantuan proportions. Does his journal say he had vials of smallpox? It’s either true or false.

    If the ABC is lying about such a simple thing, it really can’t be trusted on anything.

  198. Roger

    Why would they have vials of the hideous disease? How did they keep the variola alive and active in all weathers and for months?

    For inoculation by the method of variolation in those pre-vaccine times, calli.

  199. Arky

    The doctors on the FF would have had smallpox in their kit for innoculation purposes,

    ..
    In case they happened upon an armadildo.

  200. calli

    The doctors on the FF would have had smallpox in their kit for innoculation purposes, since that was the only reasonable prophylactic treatment at the time if the worst happened.

    Why?

    Wouldn’t they have the inoculation before they set out?

  201. Cassie of Sydney

    “We even had a bloke, since flounced, who was angered that people gave the simpering pompous coward more pixel space than him.”

    Isn’t it nice that the flouncer is not here mourning, wailing and sobbing about the absence of his beloved.

  202. Knuckle Dragger

    Bloody hell, Chris.

    Compare it to Wounded Knee in the US, in 1890.

    Almost 500 regular troops and various other punters caught all those Indians at the one spot. With the advantages of military training and firepower they killed between 250 and 300, and injured at least another 50.

    And lost 25 of their own doing it. With better weaponry than they had anywhere in 1859.

    No reports of wounds or injury at Hospital Creek.
    No apparent survivors, or casualties among the settlers.
    No forensic evidence.
    Not one of the hundreds of settlers, stockies or cops required to even get close to accomplishing this put their thoughts to paper, or reported it (as others did in other events).

    It’s all kinds of no.

  203. calli

    How did they keep it viable?

    Sorry about the barrage of questions.

    I knew about Catherine and the inoculations. Tough lady.

  204. MatrixTransform

    Wow – so according to your version of history the Gweagal were trading with the Ngatjan, Mamu, Wanjuri, Tjupkai, and Barbaram mob?
    Were they using the 1789 version of Greyhound Australia?
    Must have been a bugger of a trip in those days.

    Appeal to Incredulity.

    the onus is on you retard … make your point, historian.

  205. feelthebern

    “We even had a bloke, since flounced, who was angered that people gave the simpering pompous coward more pixel space than him.”

    Who was that?

  206. 1735099

    I know it’s fanciful. I suspect that the troll does too, but he’s stirring up the idea that the First Fleet carried such eeevil technology, with ill intent.

    Show me where I wrote that the first fleet deliberately infected the Aborigines with smallpox.
    All I did was to post an article that debunked the notion that it was introduced from trepang traders in North Qld.
    If you read what I posted, you’ll note my words were –

    What remains unknown is exactly how the disease was released.

  207. Shy Ted

    Talking about old and crap cars the other night I saw an absolutely excellent fillum called “Balloon”, about a couple of families trying to escape East Germany to get to the West. Subtitles but rivetting. Family car was a 2-stroke Wartburg which, funnily enough, was the car a childhood friend drove, all he could afford. Terrible in every way but it was wheels. How we laughed when he’d rock up in a cloud of exhaust smoke and, oh, the tinny noise. How we stopped laughing when the cool girls wanted a go in it due to novelty value. All I had was a Mini with go-faster stripes, couldn’t compete. Life wasn’t the same when he got a proper car, Morris Maxi IIRC.

  208. duncanm

    ..

    Bruce of Newcastle
    #3304080, posted on January 27, 2020 at 6:43 pm

    thanks BON.

    Tench’s Journal does indeed note this:

    Footnote p.18: No solution of this difficulty had been given when I left the country, in
    December, 1791. I can, therefore, only propose queries for the ingenuity of others to
    exercise itself upon: Is it a disease indigenous to the country? Did the French ships
    under Monsieur de Peyrouse introduce it? let it be remembered that they had now
    been departed more than a year; and we had never heard of its existence on board of
    them — Had it travelled across the continent from its western shore, where Dampier
    and other European voyagers had formerly landed? — Was it introduced by Mr.
    Cook? — Did we give it birth here? No person among us had been afflicted with the
    disorder since we had quitted the Cape of Good Hope, seventeen months before. It is
    true, that our surgeons had brought out variolous matter in bottles; but to infer that it
    was produced from this cause were a supposition so wild as to be unworthy of
    consideration.

  209. feelthebern

    Didn’t Delcon lose their shit over the US not invading Iran?

  210. Cassie of Sydney

    “Helen
    #3304084, posted on January 27, 2020 at 6:45 pm”

    LOL.

  211. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    …nothing to do with the dear Kittehs.

    I do get that, Gidas, and I understand exactly what you were saying. Helen cleared the reference up immediately, and I certainly could not see anything that any Kitteh said that would invoke such a response. A simple misunderstanding of referents, that’s all. Happens on fast running real time blogs.

    I am off to water my garden. Proper Codral does work wonders. On me, not the garden, let’s get the referents straight here too. 🙂

  212. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘Why would they have vials of the hideous disease?’

    Has history taught you people nothing? I can’t believe I have to spell this out.

    To pour over the blankets they gave the indig, despite specific orders from Cook, Bligh and every governor since that the whiteys were to treat them well.

    Tits told us this. God.

  213. Cassie of Sydney

    “feelthebern
    #3304094, posted on January 27, 2020 at 6:52 pm
    “We even had a bloke, since flounced, who was angered that people gave the simpering pompous coward more pixel space than him.”

    Who was that?”

    One guess…and his flounce was spectacular.

  214. Herodotus

    Just when we thought John McEnroe might have found a useful niche in tennis commentary he goes full lefty on Margaret Court.

  215. MatrixTransform

    That comfortable explanation has been comprehensively debunked as it has been applied to the 1789 outbreak at Botany bay.

    Finally, some fucking substance from the seagull rather than the normal shitting in yr chips

  216. duncanm

    So.. I retract my claim that there was no evidence of the FF carrying smallpox.

  217. Herodotus

    What remains unknown is exactly why the diseased troll remains on day release here.

  218. calli

    Thanks guys for all the info. Time to do a bit of reading up on it. Interesting that Tench had some misgivings and suspicions.

    I learned about Jenner at school back in pre-Cambrian times. I wonder if it’s still taught?

  219. Roger

    If Tench did indeed spread smallpox amongst the indigenes, that is a crime of gargantuan proportions.

    Watkin Tench was a very humane man. We know that from his journal. Such an act does not fit with what we know of his character.

    The same goes for Arthur Phillip, who felt deeply obliged to carry out King George III’s orders to cultivate peaceful relations with the indigenous folk.

    If, for argument’s sake, the indigenous smallpox epidemic originated from the material carried on the ships – and we will likely never know if that was indeed the case – it wasn’t by official order, that much we can say with certainty, especially if one reads the first hand accounts of British reactions to the deaths. It was therefore either an unauthorised malevolent act by persons unknown or an accident. Either way, there is no evidence to sustain the accusation that this was a deliberate authorised act. That is a cheap slur made for contemporary political reasons.

  220. MatrixTransform

    Smallpox was not the only “civilising” gift brought by the settlers.

    See, there you go again.
    Where’s your compassion for the whole world of Smallpoxians that weren’t aboriginal?

  221. rickw

    WWII aircraft recovery, Russian style. Pretty much how most of us and a couple of mates would do it:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HI4ZEB1oSd0

  222. Cassie of Sydney

    Just watching the opening of Andrew Bolt…he is pretty fired up…and good on him for one of his opening lines “see whether the High Court frees Cardinal George Pell, an innocent man.”

    Bravo Andrew.

  223. Infidel Tiger

    Terrible news about Kobe Bryant, his daughter and friends.

    You know if I was as rich as him I would seriously consider not using private planes or helicopters. Yes it’s very convenient and you can avoid Chinese filthbots, but it does come with very big risks.

  224. MatrixTransform

    I bet Numbers is a Stolen Generations tragic too.

    Hm, my BiL was stolen rescued.

    doesn’t know his real birthday.

    missing several teeth

    no trace of pox

    owns his own house but.

    he’s pretty chuffed witht the V8 commodore too

  225. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    If the ALPBC is lying about such a simple thing, it really can’t be trusted on anything.

    Their beloved ALPBC lies about everything, all the time.

    All together now:

    Shut. It. Down.
    Fire. Them. All.
    Mound. Of. Skulls.
    Salt. The. Earth.

  226. Steve trickler

    She puts a smile on your face.



  227. Gilas

    Since the Germ Theory of Disease was not established empirically until the early 1800s, I would think it extremely unlikely that the non-existent evil, psychopathic ship captain would know, in 1776, that carrying any “bottle of smallpox”, or even “infected” blankets could be used as bio-weapons for an unknown enemy, with unknown sensitivity to Variola.
    Why Variola and not Rabies, or Y Pestis, or….?

    More bog-standard BS, to be expected from our resident BShitter.

    What is noticeable, is that leftards repeatedly, consistently throw such BS into a discussion, providing no evidence, and YET… receive affirmation by other bloggers wasting their time refuting the rampant evidence-free bollox.

    K Windschuttle has written at least 4 books refuting blatant BS by the frauds of the Abo apology industry. Lies which are created by evil minds and a simple stroke of the pen, yet require months of careful forensic analysis to rebut.
    These charlatans continue to thrive in their careers, go figure!

    FFS, just scroll!
    The sociopath/s will eventually get their kicks somewhere else.

  228. Bruce of Newcastle

    Again the outbreak in 1789 is consistent with the chicken pox hypothesis, since there would have to have been close contact for chicken pox to be passed to the aboriginal people. A year would be enough for some acceptance to be built up. After which close contacts with shingles sufferers would transmit the virus.

  229. Mother Lode

    This just in:

    Watching ‘Jurassic Park: Fallen Kingdom’.

    The red-headed woman (I won’t say ranga as that pathology has been debased by Wallis-Markle’s beard) who seems the love interest is a dead ringer for the anatomically vague puppet in Team America.

  230. Knuckle Dragger

    The gift that keeps on giving.

    ‘Show me where I wrote that the first fleet deliberately infected the Aborigines with smallpox.’

    Dissembling, although a bit B grade. Introduce yourself a related word which changes the context, and you’re away on a whole different horse. As usual, when you’ve been beaten up on the original one.

    And it’s ‘First Fleet’. It’s a specific fleet with a name, so capitalisation’s the go.

    When you get to uni they’ll probably tell you about that stuff.

  231. Cassie of Sydney

    Dickless Grease was a disgrace on Credlin (hosted by Chris Smith) tonight…..I thought that he was defamatory towards Bettina Arndt.

  232. Nob

    Infidel Tiger
    #3304114, posted on January 27, 2020 at 7:03 pm
    Terrible news about Kobe Bryant, his daughter and friends.

    You know if I was as rich as him I would seriously consider not using private planes or helicopters

    Fuck helicopters. I must have taken a couple of hundred helicopter tours when I worked offshore and I never want to again. I get nervous even when my son goes out to the rigs.

  233. max

    Lastly, Greg Hunt is either lazy, a moron, or both. The advice he is receiving on 2019 HCoV appears wrong. He should replace the Chief Medical Officer with someone independent of politically sensitive considerations.

    Typical of the current Australian Government, its people are its lowest priority.

    All true, but how bad has the media been on this story. Social media is waaaay ahead and much more detailed in its reporting. The last place you get any kind of deeper discussion or scepticism of government is on TV or in newspapers.

  234. feelthebern

    You know if I was as rich as him I would seriously consider not using private planes or helicopters.

    I’m not sure if it’s still the case, but the Lakers had their training facility near Burbank airport.
    More than a couple of players would fly in on private planes to train, then fly home.
    From memory a couple of player at the time lived in the Bay area.

  235. Nob

    Fuck autocorrect too. I wrote “trips” not “tours”.

  236. kaysee

    Tennis legend John McEnroe has labelled fellow tennis star Margaret Court Australia’s “crazy aunt” and urged Serena Williams to “do me a favour” and win two more Grand Slams this year so “we can leave Margaret Court and her offensive views in the past where they both belong”.

    It really hurts me to tell Johnny that I got my Aus Open wish granted last week.
     
    I know I’m being greedy, but I’ve already put in my requests for French, Wimbledon and US. Unless, there is a retirement announced.

  237. feelthebern

    The red-headed woman…is Richie Cunningham’s daughter.

  238. feelthebern

    Choppers are fun.
    Just don’t expect to land every time you’re in one.

  239. Arky

    If Tench did indeed spread smallpox amongst the indigenes, that is a crime of gargantuan proportions. Does his journal say he had vials of smallpox? It’s either true or false.

    ..
    Tench’s Journal:

    On this first day of April in the year of our Lord 1788
    The sailors having imbibed their daily tot are up to their usual lamentable practice of taunting the convicts.
    Offering up their bottoms and then pulling away with much jeering.
    We are three months out of Mother England and these low jibes infuriate the wretched reprobates.
    ..
    On this twentysome forthe of August the year of our Lord 1788
    We have spied landfall.
    The Captain has reminded the men of their duty to God, King and Country. I know what is required of me and have prepared my trusty Batman and a convict to enact our plan.
    ..
    We, having rowed ashore with our vials of the pox are searching for our first victims. Having reconnoiteredred inland to a distance of 90 furlounges, but having had no luck in finding Indian villages, I have taken the opportunity to rehearse my men in their allotted tasks.
    Lieutenant Shrewsbury, upon sighting a lone native is to begin preparing the vial.
    One John Longebotttom, a convict of the most despicable and terrible attributes is to receive the dose into his person and entice the native into an act so abominable that it must be unmentionable herein.

  240. Rockdoctor

    I stand corrected JC, not the first time I have mistakenly insulted a Canadian in that manner & probably won’t be the last either…

  241. feelthebern

    One big surprise with the new Crown complex at Barangaroo is that there is no helipad.
    Sydney needs to wake up to the fact that real cities have helipads.

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