Open Forum: January 25, 2020

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  1. 1735099

    Here’s a primary source reporting the Hospital Creek massacre – an interview with an individual called Con Bride, who if you take him at his word, was the organiser of whatever you want to call it. He is not specific about numbers, but obviously many were shot.

    The report is in the Sydney Mail 12th September 1928, but the author is not specific about the date of the interview.

    “This reminds me
    of old times, camping at the old home-
    stead,” he said. “Then you have been at
    Quantambone before ?” I asked. “Rather!”
    he replied, “It was I who first, took up
    this run, over twenty years ago.” Then I
    knew that I had met Con Bride for the
    first time. I had heard a lot about him,
    especially regarding his shooting a lot of
    blacks on the Hospital Creek, on Quantam-
    bone. It always went by that name, on
    account of, the wounded natives. I asked
    him about the massacre — for that was
    what most of those on the river called it;
    and they reckoned that Con Bride was too
    severe on the darkies. “Well,” said Con,
    “that was one of the worst affairs I ever
    had with the natives in all my experience,
    and the one I most regret. But the natives,
    brought it on themselves ; my mind is easy
    about that, I often had to spill a little
    native blood in self-defence in my early
    days, but I never did it without strong
    provocation. In this case I had to take
    strong measures, as it meant that either I
    or the black man must rule. I suppose
    you know the Hospital Creek? It crosses
    the plains a few miles out from the Cato
    Creek. Strictly speaking it is not a creek —
    only a chain of ponds formed by the over-
    flow from the Narren Lake, which at high
    flood flows across the plains into the Bokira
    Greek. There were fine holes in it which
    held water well in dry times, and nice
    shady timber round them, making a good
    camping ground for the cattle. But it was
    also a good camping place for the blacks,
    who came there in hundreds to live on the
    cattle. They had been spearing the cattle
    some time before I was aware of the fact.
    When I saw cattle on the run with spears
    sticking in them you can guess my state
    of mind, and when I saw some more near
    the creek dead and the meat stripped off
    the bones, and found skeletons all round
    about the watering-places, I decided to
    act. It seemed to me that their method of
    spearing was to get up in the trees early
    in the morning with their spears and lie in
    wait for the cattle at the holes. The beasts
    that were speared very badly died close
    about the water, while those that were
    more lightly injured carried the spears for
    miles out on the run. Few of them ever
    recovered after being speared.
    “I TRIED to get the blacks to shift camp,
    A but they didn’t understand me, or
    pretended not to— which was very likely,
    as I could speak the native lingo pretty
    well. So I rode to the station as quickly
    as possible and brought one of my black
    boys to talk to them in their own lingo.
    When he explained what I wanted them to
    do they said “Baal,” which in their lang
    uage means “No. They evidently didn’t
    want to shift, as they were doing too well
    where they were ; but I went back home
    and started one of my white stockmen up
    to thp next station with a few lines to the
    manager to send me all the assistance he
    could spare in men, arms, and ammunition.
    The demand was only reasonable in those
    days, as the white settlers had to keep
    plenty of arms and ammunition for self
    protection and to assist each other in cases
    of need. Next day I was pleased to see
    two white stockmen and half-a-dozen black
    boys, all well armed, ride up. You may
    be sure I lost no time in getting all my
    own force under arms, and we rode out
    to the blacks’ camp nearly twenty strong.
    When we got within two hundred yards
    of the camp I halted my small force. Then
    I took one of the boys and rode up to their
    camp. When the boy told them I wanted
    them to shift the old darkies got very
    angry, and said ‘Baal,’ as before. I took
    the boy back to the others, and said : ‘Now,
    boys, we will fire a few shots over their
    camp. They might take fright and clear
    out.’ That volley caused a great commo
    tion in the camp. They all ran up in a
    bunch, like a lot of wild ducks; but there
    was no stampede such as we were expect-
    ing. I noticed that they were all arming
    with spears and womeras, and when they
    made a move forward I feared a rush on
    our small force by their hundreds: so we
    fired a volley into them, and a dozen or
    more fell. This caused a halt. Then they
    gathered round the wounded ones. Appa-
    rently they could not understand what had
    happened, and we took advantage of the
    confusion to send another volley whistling
    over their heads. That settled the matter.
    A general stampede took place across the
    plain towards the Culgoa, whence, I sup-
    pose, they had come.
    WHEN I saw them in retreat I rode
    away to the station, to give ihem
    a chance to attend to their wounded and
    retreat in order. Next day we all rode
    out as before to the camp, and all we
    could see there was a lot of empty bough
    gunyahs. That affair got me a bad name
    down below with the people who never
    had to deal with the natives in their wild
    state. Had they been in my place probably
    they would have spilt more blood than I
    did. Some went so far as to say that I
    should have been put on trial for what I
    did, but the Government was well aware
    of the fact that the work we were doing
    outback could not be done with white-
    gloves on, and, therefore, were not too
    ready to take action in such cases, but de-
    pended on the humanity of the white set-
    tlers to spare the natives as much as
    possible.”

  2. Mother Lode

    Tennis legend John McEnroe

    Ah! The guy who personified the finest traditions of the game tennis.

  3. rickw

    Zippy:

    I got 100 of these N95 face masks, I am dubious about them blocking much

    My sister – 40 years OT nurse tells me the masks saturate with filtered material after ten minutes of use. Then the stuff on the outside starts pushing the pathogens through into the airstream. Manufacturers advice.

    Opinions on Soviet GP5 and GP7 masks?

  4. Atoms for Peace

    Makes you wonder who volunteered to be infected by all the nasties before getting onto Noah’s ark.

  5. feelthebern

    Now the magnificent Wagner family has completed the airport, Toowoomba would a convenient place for quarantining international flights.

  6. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I noticed that they were all arming
    with spears and womeras, and when they
    made a move forward I feared a rush on
    our small force by their hundreds: so we
    fired a volley into them, and a dozen or
    more fell.
    This caused a halt. Then they
    gathered round the wounded ones. Appa-
    rently they could not understand what had
    happened, and we took advantage of the
    confusion to send another volley whistling
    over their heads. That settled the matter.
    A general stampede took place across the
    plain towards the Culgoa, whence, I sup-
    pose, they had come.

    From Number’s own link. “A dozen or so fell” now becomes four hundred?

  7. Infidel Tiger

    An not believe our bumbling government hasn’t banned all travel to and from China.

    Millions of Australian kids are going to be shoved into classrooms soon and forced to sit next to those disgusting rat semen drinking freaks. Most as well dip our kids in a Petrie dish of Ebola.

  8. calli

    Thanks Roger et al. And Arky. Chuckle.

  9. rickw

    Here’s a primary source reporting the Hospital Creek massacre

    Did you even read it???

  10. Boambee John

    Everyone who fronts at a NSW Public Hospital ED is being asked 2 questions upfront by the Triage Nurse:

    – Have you travelled on a plane recently?
    – Have you been in contact with anyone who has been on a plane recently?

    Everyone.

    Except me on three occasions and my wife on one.

  11. Knuckle Dragger

    Good then.

    A dozen. Not 400. Like I said – I don’t doubt it, but doubt the scale.

    This is of course third hand evidence at best, and unsupported so it wouldn’t make into anything but Dark Emu, but there you go.

    Thumbs up, Liability Bob! Attaboy!

  12. Roger

    Now the magnificent Wagner family has completed the airport, Toowoomba would a convenient place for quarantining international flights.

    Only over the Wagner brothers’ dead bodies, I’d suggest.

  13. kaysee

    JK Rowling: Over five weeks.
    No apology as yet.
     
    Ricky Gervais: Three weeks.
    No apology as yet
     
    Tanya Plibersek: Over forty-eight hours.
    No apology as yet.
     
    What’s going on? How can this be?
    What would Voltaire say?

  14. rickw

    From Number’s own link. “A dozen or so fell” now becomes four hundred?

    Numbers is beyond comprehension.

  15. feelthebern

    They’d get paid handsomely for every flight, so why wouldn’t they?

  16. rickw

    An not believe our bumbling government hasn’t banned all travel to and from China.

    Millions of Australian kids are going to be shoved into classrooms soon and forced to sit next to those disgusting rat semen drinking freaks. Most as well dip our kids in a Petrie dish of Ebola.

    This shit has the potential to start a revolution in both China and Australia. If this gets bad, the survivors are going to be seriously pissed.

  17. Fisky

    Now that the state media has basically put the mayor of Wuhan on notice he is going to jail (if he’s lucky) and his family ruined, do you think this helps quarantine efforts and local/national cooperation or what?

    Global Times
    @globaltimesnews
    The mayor of Wuhan has admitted that information was not disclosed in a timely manner at the preliminary stage of the #WuhanCoronavirus outbreak

  18. feelthebern

    If this gets bad, the survivors are going to be seriously pissed.

    Don’t believe the msm or the government (of any colour).
    Rules to live by.
    When this Wuhan Zombie virus is done, it would have killed multiples of what the bushfires did.
    The financial impact to Australia will also be bigger than the drought & bushfires combined.

  19. Roger

    They’d get paid handsomely for every flight, so why wouldn’t they?

    You clearly don’t know them.

  20. kaysee

    The financial impact to Australia will also be bigger than the drought & bushfires combined.

    Priorities and long-term vision would be helpful.
    Instead, the focus is on the immediate: tourism this month and loss of those dollars.

  21. feelthebern

    Bolt has WSJ China dude on.
    The WSJ is hopeless on China.
    On the other hand, the FT has been awesome reporting on China over the past couple of years.
    What’s really concerning to me is the lack of twitter activity by the FT correspondents.
    One in particular hasn’t tweeted in days.
    Maybe they’re on holidays, but I find that to be very unlikely.

  22. Roger

    I don’t Roger.

    They are very conscious of the well being of the local community.

    They are trying to enrich it, not turn it into a government service centre.

  23. feelthebern

    tourism this month

    Tourism isn’t the issue.
    It’s trade.
    Coal, iron ore, education (in that order) are our three biggest export earners.
    All dependent on China.

  24. Arky

    Tench’s Journal (cont.)

    On this Sixteenthest Daye in October the year of our Lorde 1788.
    We have now been searching for a native to administer to for two and a half months.
    We have had many neare misses.
    Upon the last sighting, which turned out to be a curious creature of the large hopping kinde, we administered the innoculate to Longebottom. Who has unfortunately subsequently died of the pox.
    It seems likely now that our attempts to innoculate the native population to the scourge of smallpox will fail.

  25. Bruce of Newcastle

    we rode out
    to the blacks’ camp nearly twenty strong.
    When we got within two hundred yards
    of the camp I halted my small force.

    Yup. Twenty guys with muzzle loading firearms managed to shoot four hundred dead without them scattering in the scrub. Anything you say Numbers.

  26. Knuckle Dragger

    If nothing else, Wuhanozombieitis should – SHOULD – teach us that hanging your trade and balance of accounts, and access to resources for that matter is best not consigned to an ongoing Hail Mary that relies on optimal events repeating themselves.

    Despite his highly-publicised flounce, of which we were all given ample loud warning, PFNAMV/PTOF go this one right:

    Our national fuel reserves cannot be a piece of paper saying that other countries will pick up the slack and bring it in when needed.

  27. 1735099

    Did you even read it?

    Of course I did.
    For the umpteenth time, I’m trying to get to the historical fact, rather than fight a round in the culture wars.
    It’s apparent that there was a massacre, that it was a consequence of the aborigines spearing cattle, that many were killed, and those responsible weren’t brought to account.
    What is interesting is that these facts of history simply weren’t taught in Australian schools until comparatively recently.
    We’ve gone from denial to exaggeration – there’s a neat symmetry in there somewhere.

  28. Cassie of Sydney

    “For the umpteenth time,”

    Sure liar.

  29. feelthebern

    Australia should have a strategic fuel reserve.
    It will never happen.

  30. 1735099

    disgusting rat semen drinking freaks

    You meet the nicest people on Catallaxy.
    And they’re not the tiniest bit racist.

  31. feelthebern

    All those LNG export licences should have had a domestic reserve/market component built into them.
    But they didn’t.
    Now, we are having LNG import businesses starting.
    Shows the market adjusting for the oversight of government.

  32. kaysee

    All dependent on China.

    Because other markets have not been explored?
     
    A week ago, they could have shut the gate, temporarily, to those coming in from China, at least certain parts of it. But because of the tourism they haven’t.

  33. Mitch M.

    Knuckle Dragger
    #3304103, posted on January 27, 2020 at 6:55 pm
    ‘Why would they have vials of the hideous disease?’

    Has history taught you people nothing? I can’t believe I have to spell this out.

    To pour over the blankets they gave the indig, despite specific orders from Cook, Bligh and every governor since that the whiteys were to treat them well.

    Tits told us this. God.

    Didn’t need vials, didn’t need an active infection. Just needed a carrier.

    Subclinical (asymptomatic) infections with Variola virus were noted but were not common

  34. feelthebern

    Good to hear Roger.
    That there are some in Toowoomba who don’t hang out for the government teat.

  35. Cassie of Sydney

    “And they’re not the tiniest bit racist.”

    Most aren’t….and then there is you.

  36. Nuclear power generation has locked in strategic reserves in each reactor.

    https://youtu.be/uK367T7h6ZY

  37. feelthebern

    But because of the tourism they haven’t.

    No.
    It’s because there has been zero leadership.
    This week Trump will announce a “pause” in flights originating in China & passengers who have travelled there.
    Then Australia will.

  38. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘And they’re not the tiniest bit racist.’

    Quite right. No, they’re not.

    The inscrutable dry cleaners are not being treated unfairly because of their ethnicity.

    They are being globally shunned because their ‘anything with legs, and sometimes not’ diet has caught up with them yet again, and they cannot be allowed to bring the resultant and inevitable disease into our country lest they transmit it to us.

  39. calli

    That’s interesting, Mitch. All the stuff I read was that there were no carriers. I was thinking a Typhoid Mary type.

  40. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘Subclinical (asymptomatic) infections with Variola virus were noted but were not common’

    Whooosh.

  41. Boambee John

    KD at 1930

    Thumbs up, Liability Bob! Attaboy!

    Don’t forget, it takes 10 Attaboys to erase one Aw Sh1t, so the seagull is still a long way behind.

  42. feelthebern

    It will take Trump leadership to slow the spread of the Wuhan Zombie Virus.
    Unfortunately, this doesn’t put humpty dumpty back together again.
    Bottom line, we have zero idea of how many people have carried this all around the world.
    Look at the travel stats to & from China around the time of SARS.
    Not a pinch compared to the present day.

  43. max

    You’d never read this in the MSM:

    China is making a big show about sending 1,000 doctors to Wuhan, but precisely what medical treatments are available for this virus, how effective are these treatments, and do they require a physician to be administered? If the answers are: there are no effective targeted medical treatments for this virus, and doctors are not required to administer what is available, then why expose a scarce resource–physicians–to the disease since they really can’t do much to halt it or heal the patients?

    Isn’t sending 1,000 doctors to Wuhan more a PR move than anything else? And if it’s basically a PR stunt to appear to be “doing something,” doesn’t that call the entire official response into question?

    If there is no targeted treatment available, then the recovery of the patient is a function of their immune system. Building tent hospitals that are porous–healthcare workers returning home after their shift, relatives visiting the stricken, workers moving supplies in and out of other facilities, etc.–will do little to isolate carriers and potential carriers. And since complete isolation is the only way to stem the contagion, these porous tent hospitals won’t do much to limit the contagion.

    8. Are the travel bans on tours and other travel restriction measures 100%, in other words, not a single individual is being allowed in or out? If the travel restrictions are haphazard, then what’s stopping asymptomatic carriers of the virus from traveling freely around the world?

    There are many other practical questions about the epidemic and China’s response that aren’t being addressed in the conventional media. While we don’t know precisely how contagious and lethal the virus is at this point–and it could mutate into a more contagious and lethal variation within a carrier at any moment–we do know complete isolation of every carrier and everyone they had close contact with is the only way to end the contagion.

    We also know cities can’t truly be isolated for longer than a few days, and we know people can’t live without food, water, fuel, etc. and money to buy these essentials. We also know that restrictions that allow a significant number of people to move about, either with official approval or unsanctioned “black market” activity, cannot stop the spread of contagious diseases.

  44. feelthebern

    To a certain degree, we are lucky this has happened during Spring Festival.
    We have seen a few hundred million people travel from the biggest cities to smaller cities & rural areas.
    Now the festival has been extended it means the population is more dispersed domestically than it was two weeks ago.
    The higher the density of population, the quicker it spreads.
    Cats who are farm dwellers are the safest.

  45. Arky

    Tench’s Journal (last)
    ..

    Christmas Eve the year of our lord 1791.
    Have been searching this land for many years now.
    After consuming Lieutenant Shrewsberry to save his bodily remains from despoilation after the most regrettable of musket cleaning incidents, I finally discovered a tribe of locals and having administered the innoculate from my very own bowels have married the chief.
    My duty was clear and it is with a light heart at the accomplishment of my mission that I write this, my final entry, sure as I am in the salvation of this land from the catastrophe of pox plagues.

  46. Roger

    Australia should have a strategic fuel reserve.
    It will never happen.

    Delegate it to the Wagners.

    It’ll happen.

  47. kaysee

    You have to wonder what those who are paid to make decisions really do?
    As soon as they heard about the virus, they should have realised the Chinese New Year was coming up. Better to be safe than sorry.

  48. Knuckle Dragger

    Loved it, Arky.

    *golf clap*

  49. feelthebern

    This year, only one of my staff went back to China for new year.
    All the other Chinese staff stayed in Oz.
    Two of those had their Chinese parents come to Australia.
    Those parents were only coming for a week or so, but will now stay for as long as they can.

  50. miltonf

    Pete Buttigieg Wants to Convert Iowa Trump Voters After Calling Them Racists

    can’t stand that smarmy little turd

  51. feelthebern

    20 mins until the next Curb Your Enthusiasm drops in Oz.
    You can stream it from anytime post that if you miss the broadcast.

  52. kaysee

    miltonf
    #3304197, posted on January 27, 2020 at 8:07 pm

    Pete Buttigieg Wants to Convert Iowa Trump Voters After Calling Them Racists

    can’t stand that smarmy little turd

    I give you this:
    Pete Buttigieg: Pope Francis Endorsement ‘Most Coveted’ in Primary Race

  53. Roger

    Apparently there are some very bad omens in the Chinese zodiac for this year.

    Year of the rat with snake’s eyes or similar.

    Not that I believe that stuff… but billions of Chinese do.

    It could colour their attitudes towards events.

  54. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    we do know complete isolation of every carrier and everyone they had close contact with is the only way to end the contagion.

    the modelling I’ve seen shows that transmissions need to be reduced by 60% for the epidemic to flame out.

    all hell will break loose in the next few weeks and escalate from there. its such a huge and target rich population it could take months to flame out. they are not ordering 200,000 test kits a day for fun.

  55. feelthebern

    If I had a school age child, I would be keeping them home this week.
    If you send them to school, you are saying you trust the government.
    & the overpaid bureaucracy that is more concerned about virtue signalling than serving the public.
    If you trust them, send ’em them to school.

  56. miltonf

    I’m sure Frankie would be kindly disposed towards Buttplug but maybe Dementia Joe is more of a soul mate.

  57. feelthebern

    I think the travel ban will go like this.
    Trump calls Xi & says I’m going to call it.
    Xi will then say, no let me cancel all flights.
    Same outcome, but allows Xi to save face.

  58. Fisky

    Of the very many stupid initiatives of Rudd, this would have to rank as one of the dumbest. Complete waste of money, and in any case there is zero evidence that cross-curricular tech in the classroom actually raises academic attainment.

    Parents count the cost as classrooms dump textbooks for MacBooks

    Many schools, conscious of the large up-front cost of digital devices, have adopted “no textbooks” policies, using online texts instead to spare parents the additional financial burden of buying books.

    Victorian schools are free to set their own policies on technology in the classroom, with the exception of the new mobile phone ban that will start this week in government schools.

    Experts say the demise of the former Rudd government’s Digital Education Revolution initiative, which provided federal funding for nearly a million laptops for high school students, triggered a growing shift towards making parents pay.

  59. Fisky

    I think the travel ban will go like this.
    Trump calls Xi & says I’m going to call it.
    Xi will then say, no let me cancel all flights.
    Same outcome, but allows Xi to save face.

    Wouldn’t surprise at all. By the way, this epidemic helps the Trade War yuuuuugely. It was always the right call to impose tariffs, America has won handsomely and will continue to win as this crisis rolls on.

  60. MatrixTransform

    Here’s a primary source reporting the Hospital Creek massacre

    But Numptard, you’ve repeatedly stated that personal anecdotes are bullshit.

    to be honest that account reads like the natives were busy stalking and steal other peoples stuff.

    …reminds me of a sunny day in Hyde Park, Sydney

  61. kaysee

    Yes, I thought he would give his blessings (whatever that is worth) to pro-choice Joe.
    But then, if a former Catholic now Episcopalian, wants his endorsement, why not bless him too.

  62. Roger

    ABC TV news gives 15 seconds to the great Margaret Court’s achievements and a 45 seconds to her critics in the tennis world (represented by John McEnroe & Jelena Dokic).

    However, if the vox pop section of the report is anything to go by, they seem to have found it difficult to find a member of the general public who was willing to condemn her or her right to free speech.

  63. JC

    Fisk

    If China goes down the chute economically, we’re fucked. Stop worrying about Trump and the US. Worry about the little guy… US!

    If this thing gets a real head of steam, the Aussie is going below 60 cents. We’re fucked.

  64. MatrixTransform

    Millions of Australian kids are going to be shoved into classrooms soon

    The missus informs me that letters have been sent home from many prominent schools advising anybody post-travel to stay the hell at home for 2 weeks and also, that they will be monitored

  65. kaysee

    Same outcome, but allows Xi to save face.

    This is what those with TDS don’t understand.
    Trump is more a businessman than politician. For him, it is less about the political games and more about negotiating to get the results that are ultimately the best deal for the US.

  66. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Medical experts from the University of Hong Kong warned on Monday that governments should implement “draconian measures” to limit the spread of the new Wuhan virus, saying the number of cases is likely to be far higher than reported.

    The dean of the university’s medical school, Gabriel Leung, said his team has estimated that as of Saturday, some 44,000 people in Wuhan alone were likely to have been infected by the new virus.

    Around 25,000 of these were likely to be sick, with the others only in the incubation stage and not yet showing symptoms.

  67. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    If China goes down the chute economically, we’re fucked.

    every major city will have to completely shut down. wuhan is on lock down till april according to some posts

    hello negative rates

  68. JC

    Does anyone know if Tamiflu work against this virus? Works in the sense that it helps relieve symptoms. Maybe it’s worth getting a prescriptions per each family member.

  69. Infidel Tiger

    Decoupling from our China dependency was long over due.

    Never knew we would need to kill a few hundred million of them first though.

  70. MatrixTransform

    For the umpteenth time, I’m trying to get to the historical fact, rather than fight a round in the culture wars.

    you are a liar trying to manufacture a lie.

    where are the 400?

  71. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    where are the 400?

    From twelve to four hundred…

  72. JC

    hello negative rates

    Hello Aussie at 57 cents. The first time I ever traded down there was when another bank was puking “longs”. I bought Aussie at 57.25 cents. It was the day of Keating’s Banana Republic speech.

    Buys Dollars wear diamonds (US)

  73. MatrixTransform

    We’ve gone from denial to exaggeration

    your intellect

    litotes to hyperbole … show the 400

  74. JC

    Decoupling from our China dependency was long over due.

    That’s okay as long as you’re prepared to lead a less wealthy life. I’m not sure the average Australian will like that though.

  75. Armadillo

    400 blokes is a lot to bury. Seriously hard work I’d have thought.

    Try dragging a dead jockey around the back of the stables? It’s almost as if they have tripled their own weight. Doesn’t matter how long they spent in sauna prior to the race, the greedy little fuckers still seem to weigh a tonne.

  76. Fisky

    China has already had lots of bank failures. The property market is already falling in Shanghai. Growth is not 6%, in fact it’s probably zero. The place is bust. Australia has no choice but to decouple, take a haircut, let the dollar go down, and actually start building some proper industry for once.

  77. MatrixTransform

    And they’re not the tiniest bit racist.

    show the 400 historian

    …and try not to be an abusive imputator

    everybody knows how much you hate that

  78. Fisky

    We’re decoupling whether we like it or not. It was always a strategic mistake to enmesh with PRC. It’s over now. That model is finished. Get used to it!

  79. Roger

    Medical experts from the University of Hong Kong warned on Monday that governments should implement “draconian measures” to limit the spread of the new Wuhan virus, saying the number of cases is likely to be far higher than reported.

    Relax.

    The WHO, from whom our CMO and Health minister take their signals, have said there is nothing to worry about.

    Emergency…what emergency? They’re divided on that.

    Only caveat being…if you go to Wuhan – which is OK by them – skip the bat soup and avoid contact with people vomiting from their ears.

  80. Infidel Tiger

    China is in a deep recession.

    One can only imagine the viruses that will soon be pooping up as the decomposing zombies are eaten as exotic meats by these barbarians.

  81. Siltstone

    Rockdoctor
    #3304056, posted on January 27, 2020 at 6:26 pm
    Hate to tell you Barry BHP has gone down the woke path enthusiastically. Mike Henry another blow in from the States is the CEO and wouldn’t sound out of sync with half the CEO’s of the Banks or major Australian companies at moment. Have heard first hand stories about underdone girls not much out of grad school promoted before their time making a mess of projects that usually a consultant fixes behind the scenes. Their coal division has hemorrhaged a lot of decent management blokes in recent years who are open about why they left because they are the wrong gender to get ahead. Other mining companies have paid lip service mostly while retaining the merit based system. That said BHP straddle most of the best leases in Coal & Iron Ore, they can afford it…

    There is a great opportunity for mid-tier miners to snaffle great talent from BHP, Rio Tinto and the other woke big companies. If you are a male professional in wokesville, you will get passed over for promotion on chromosome grounds as the companies desperately try to fill their “diversity” quotas. Mid-tier should be out there saying “come and work for us and your career will be based on merit”. The diversity hires I know are decent tryers, but they know they are “diversity” hires and they know they are not ready and they struggle. The ones with children know it is killing their families too.

  82. JC

    Doesn’t work.

    Could Tamiflu be used to treat this outbreak?

    It’s unlikely. Back in 2004 Emily Tan and colleagues tested the ability of 19 approved antiviral drugs to stop the related SARS coronavirus (SARS-CoV) from killing infected cells in the lab. One of the drugs they tried was Tamiflu. It had no effect, so I’m guessing that means the coronaviruses don’t use neuraminidase.

  83. Armadillo

    Jockeys never seem to listen. You would think cutting a few ears off as a warning to their vertically challenged friends should send a message? Nope. Thick as bricks and as heavy as a pallet of them.

  84. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    “The Weibo post below illustrates the dire situation in #Wuhan, where supplies and manpower are all stretched to the thinnest level. The user’s dad passed away yesterday following days of unsuccessful treatment. He was waiting for the cremation center to pick up …

    @WilliamYang120
    … his father’s body but waited overnight and the body still hasn’t been picked up. The hospitals are now refusing to keep dead bodies of #WuhanCoronavirus patients at the hospitals so they often pressure family members of patients to arrange pickup of their dead bodies.

    @WilliamYang120

    However, because of the high demands, cremation centers are overwhelmed with requests and like in this case, they can’t dispatch staff to pick up these bodies from the hospitals. Family members continue to face pressure from hospitals, leaving them extremely distressed.

  85. JC

    We’re decoupling whether we like it or not. It was always a strategic mistake to enmesh with PRC. It’s over now. That model is finished. Get used to it!

    We’re not decoupling at all. They suck in our coal and iron ore like no tomorrow.

  86. Fisky

    Michael Schuman
    @MichaelSchuman
    ·
    6m
    The next phase of the Wuhan virus story is the impact on global supply chains as factories don’t resume work as expected after the CNY holiday. This would be anothe rway to econ impact of the outbrerak goes global.

    China’s factories are basically closed for another month. Good opportunity for US/AUS to get used to not consuming their cheap junk for once.

    Also good impetus to move those supply chains even faster than before. Trump’s trade war was perfectly timed. No downside from this at all really.

  87. Arky

    Chances of recession just rose dramatically I would say.
    Would not want to be too heavy in stocks right now.
    Say this thing spreads into US and they have to start shutting down cities.
    Good thing I got my $5.75 out last year. Only I never win, so I will probably catch the damn virus before I can profit from it.

  88. Infidel Tiger

    They’re going to need to double their coal orders to burn all the bodies.

    I’d be going long on coal.

  89. JC

    Lol
    Trader’s tweet

    New nightmare scenario: Your on a 737 MAX with coronavirus infected people, flying in Iranian airspace, long futures with no WiFi access.

  90. Armadillo

    Good opportunity for US/AUS to get used to not consuming their cheap junk for once.

    Sell all your Bunnings stock JC. It’s rooted.

  91. duncanm

    Hospital creek – the short version according to the above account:
    1/ Indigenous spearing cattle at will, for some time.
    2/ white man goes down with a small band of armed mates, tells them (hundreds) to fuck off. They refuse. Twice.
    3/ volley of shots fired at the crowd – a dozen or more killed

  92. Infidel Tiger

    Australian families are going to have to make do with only 3 rubber dog shits and 8 TVs per household.

    The dream is over.

  93. Arky

    No downside from this at all really.

    ..
    Except all the dead people and orphans.
    And the risk of it getting a pretty good foothold here as we have so many ex pat mainlanders.

  94. duncanm

    btw numbers – you still haven’t apologised for insinuating the outbreak of a pox in Sydney in 1789 was a smallpox biological attack by the First Fleeters.

  95. MatrixTransform

    bugger this dossier shit, I’m gonna keep a ledger

    let the ledger show that The Numpard is in credit 388 natives

  96. Fisky

    Globalists need to apologise for integrating us with this basket case. Total failure!

    Simon Rabinovitch
    @S_Rabinovitch
    This is big for world economy: Suzhou, a big manufacturing hub, is first major Chinese city to prolong current holiday. Businesses will not resume until Feb 8th at earliest. So we could be headed for two full weeks (at least) of China economy in low gear. https://baijiahao.baidu.com/s?id=1656791611072134156&wfr=spider&for=pc

  97. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    However, because of the high demands, cremation centers are overwhelmed with requests and like in this case, they can’t dispatch staff to pick up these bodies from the hospitals.

    there’s about 2 dozen cemeteries in wuhan, presumably they all do cremations. google says 90 mins to cremate a body. that’s something like 100-200 cremations a day

  98. Arky

    that’s something like 100-200 cremations a day

    .,
    They don’t just sit idle waiting for an epidemic.

  99. Boambee John

    JC
    #3304223, posted on January 27, 2020 at 8:42 pm
    hello negative rates

    Hello Aussie at 57 cents. The first time I ever traded down there was when another bank was puking “longs”. I bought Aussie at 57.25 cents. It was the day of Keating’s Banana Republic speech.

    Perhaps my memory is faulty, but I recall the Aussie around 0.50 in the mid/late 1990s?

  100. Fisky

    Except all the dead people and orphans.

    For all we know the death rate is not even that high compared to normal flu season. Or maybe it is. We don’t have a clue, because the government is hiding something and putting out hilarious propaganda at the same time.

  101. duncanm

    sorry, I missed some very important details. From the source
    1/ cattle being killed for some time
    2/ stockman tells them to fuck off. Refused.
    3/ Finds a translator to make sure he’s not being misunderstood. Still refused.
    4/ returns next day with force.
    5/ Tells them to fuck off again. Angry refusal.
    6/ Fires a volley over their heads – to make sure they understand how serious it is.
    7/ Armed locals (spears and womeras) move on the party. Volley of shots fired into them, dozen or more killed.

  102. mh

    JC
    #3304213, posted on January 27, 2020 at 8:33 pm
    Fisk

    If China goes down the chute economically, we’re fucked. Stop worrying about Trump and the US. Worry about the little guy… US!

    If this thing gets a real head of steam, the Aussie is going below 60 cents. We’re fucked.

    We need to assess the type of country and economy we want. This is a great opportunity.

    Having the RBA prop up a housing market economy forever is impossible.

  103. This year, only one of my staff went back to China for new year.

    Likewise Ftb.
    The one who has gone there for CNY is now wondering when (if) they’ll return to their job in Oz.
    It’s a fairly key role, so I want ’em back asap.

    I’ve written up a list of people for ’em to breathe onto, or cough onto, upon their return.
    (eg, punters who won’t pay their bill, a few cops who’ve asked for it, etc)

  104. Armadillo

    Perhaps my memory is faulty, but I recall the Aussie around 0.50 in the mid/late 1990s?

    About that level around the 2000 Olympics. Visitors loved it.

  105. rickw:
    Soviet GP5 and GP7 masks.
    Apparently most of the stuff coming onto the market is late model and suffering from poor quality control.
    Most armed forces equipment is designed for gas/aerosols and not viruses. A mask that takes a couple of weeks to incapacitate the enemy is fairly useless on the battlefield.
    The guts of the system is the filters and you would need specifically designed viral filters + lots of spares because IIRC, they are only good for 24 hours on a contaminated battlefield, or even just one good gas/aerosol attack.
    My experience has been with the Australian Army respirators, and frankly I doubt even those would be effective against viruses. Those filters are expensive.

  106. feelthebern

    They suck in our coal and iron ore like no tomorrow.

    Yes, but we are looking at all the speculative longs in commodities unwinding in the short term.
    That will take the edge off prices.
    Which will flow through to BOP & corporate earnings & royalties.

  107. duncanm

    Here’s a record of another massacre in 1868 in Carpentaria.

    Its hardly beer and skittles out there.

  108. JC

    John

    The low was from memory 49.80 in the late 90s early 00s.

    We hit 57 cents on the day of the Keating speech the first time.

  109. Boambee John

    Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)
    #3304255, posted on January 27, 2020 at 9:05 pm
    However, because of the high demands, cremation centers are overwhelmed with requests and like in this case, they can’t dispatch staff to pick up these bodies from the hospitals.

    there’s about 2 dozen cemeteries in wuhan, presumably they all do cremations. google says 90 mins to cremate a body. that’s something like 100-200 cremations a day

    Business opportunity for Mutti Merkel. I wonder if the Germans still have certain blueprints in their archives?

  110. Arky

    Depending on the age profile of the population I calculate around 500 cremations per day normal for a city the size of Wuhan.
    I might be out. Check my numbers.

  111. Rockdoctor

    Siltstone
    #3304234, posted on January 27, 2020 at 8:48 pm

    Already happening that’s how I can relate this anecdote. That’s also how I know they are not embellishing things, they know what they are doing in the new workplaces. Also most seem resigned to it not really bitter just frustrated hence why they moved on. As for diversity picks there a few & I know of the names but unfortunately they are in key positions without the same humility (& I will leave it at that). As I have mentioned in the past, some will work out, a lot won’t but it involves a hell of a lot of resources that shareholders are effectively underwriting for questionable gain. That said, I haven’t worked for BHP for a while so can only relay hearsay.

  112. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    btw numbers – you still haven’t apologised for insinuating the outbreak of a pox in Sydney in 1789 was a smallpox biological attack by the First Fleeters.

    fake compassion never needs to say sorry

  113. feelthebern

    If this zombie flu happened in a western democracy, we’d be farked.
    We are lucky it’s in China were they can shut down all travel.
    That’s coming.
    Not just grounding all flights.
    The sooner they stop all inter city travel the better.
    A week of pain now will save months of pain later.

  114. Boambee John

    JC

    Thanks, IIRC, it was around 1996 or 1997 when the Aussie hit 0.50, in late June/early July.

  115. Kevin Rudd has much to answer for with his idiot statement.

  116. JC

    B John

    Here’s a form of a chart of the aussie since the float. The lows were after 97. And shit, the actual low was around 47.75!

  117. feelthebern

    Another great Curb Your Enthusiasm episode.
    Even though I lost a minute as my fucking fox crashed for a minute.
    Not as good as episode 1, but still had some great scenes.
    Larry is getting better with age.

  118. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Its hardly beer and skittles out there.

    It’s always interesting how the harshest criticism of the pioneers comes from those sitting in the leafy suburbs, with a mobile phone at their elbow, and the friendly police station just down the road. Those old boys knew that just one mistake, dealing with tho local indigenous, may result in the murders of you and your family.

  119. Arky

    If the normal deaths per day in a city the size of Wuhan is 500, then the 100 or so they say have died over, say, this last week, is only about a 1% increase in normal cremations.
    That should not be causing a back up in service, unless they had no excess capacity to begin with.

  120. Steve trickler

    This apartment complex is a waypoint on a RAAF Map.

    Good Fun @7:40



  121. Infidel Tiger

    Hahaha!

    One our staff members has contacted me to say she will not be going to China on holiday. Good. I would have fired her if she had done so.

  122. Armadillo

    Check my numbers.

    Check out the cultural factor, Arky. Cremation percentages vary depending on the area and religion/custom.
    Most would be buried, and the funeral process takes about 7 days.

    Stop just assuming that everyone is going to be instantly cremated like you (most probably in a garage/workshop type accident/fuck up).

  123. Knuckle Dragger:

    The inscrutable dry cleaners are not being treated unfairly because of their ethnicity.

    That’s right – they are being treated fairly because of their behaviour. Lying, cheating, spying, thieving, refusing to abide by contracts they’ve signed while claiming loudly their good faith, then pulling the race card when anyone calls them on it. That’s what has the rest of the world pissed off.
    You cannot do this sort of stuff in a small community without retribution, and it appears you can’t do it in the big village either.
    And don’t forget – no one forced the Chinese to behave like this, it was their choice.

  124. duncanm

    Pah!

    call that a flyby?

  125. Arky

    Oh God, please make it stop.

    ..
    What?

  126. JC

    Arky
    #3304287, posted on January 27, 2020 at 9:27 pm

    Oh God, please make it stop.

    ..
    What?

    Not you. Get back in the workshop too.

  127. feelthebern

    Arky, that looks right, but that’s based on official numbers.
    & that’s before they go parabolic.

  128. Eyrie

    “Decoupling from our China dependency was long over due.
    Never knew we would need to kill a few hundred million of them first though.”

    Somewhere, Curtis LeMay chomps down on this cigar and smiles.

  129. Eyrie

    Are there any reports of anyone actually getting better and surviving the virus or does it just take longer to kill everybody?

  130. calli

    Something interesting. On windy.com, the CO filter. Last week, over China, it was glowing red-hot over most of the country. Now it’s down to a small red patch surrounded by dirty grey/black. Shut down.

  131. feelthebern

    In a modern city like Shenzhen, so my staff says, it’s mostly cremation.

  132. JC

    Are there any reports of anyone actually getting better and surviving the virus or does it just take longer to kill everybody?

    Well, the death toll is not 100% eyrie. They’re saying it’s around 3%.

  133. Arky

    Cremation percentages vary depending on the area and religion/custom.
    ..

    They are atheists like Beaugan.
    They just want to be torched and forgotten when they die, after a photo montage of their childhood, glory days and sad decline into perving at twerking fat cubans is presented.

  134. JC

    feelthebern
    #3304293, posted on January 27, 2020 at 9:31 pm

    In a modern city like Shenzhen, so my staff says, it’s mostly cremation.

    I’m presuming the cremations are occurring after death, I hope. I wouldn’t trust that regime for nuts.

  135. Arky

    with a Mariah Carey song player over it.

  136. mh

    The China Century is dead already.

    We need to adjust and adapt. Quickly.

  137. JC

    They are atheists like Beaugan.
    They just want to be torched and forgotten when they die, after a photo montage of their childhood, glory days and sad decline into perving at twerking fat cubans is presented.

    Real honest question. Did the doc get his leg over in Havana as I didn’t keep up.

  138. Infidel Tiger

    With the factory shutdowns, China may meet its emissions targets unless the cremations really take off.

  139. Arky

    Did the doc get his leg over in Havana

    ..
    He is like 90.

  140. JC

    We need to adjust and adapt. Quickly.

    Don’t make me freaking laugh. The labor markets are totally constipated. It would take a ship’s tanker load of laxative to unblock this crap.

  141. mh

    Maria’s ass-twerking vids are wasted on him.

  142. rickw

    Apparently most of the stuff coming onto the market is late model and suffering from poor quality control.

    I got mine a couple of years ago, they look pretty well made. Have loads of filters, but as you mention the filters mightn’t really be up to it.

  143. Eyrie

    “Well, the death toll is not 100% eyrie. They’re saying it’s around 3%.”

    SO FAR. If it kills the weak easily it just may take longer to kill the strong, so I’d say the overall death rate when this is done is going to be a fair bit greater than 3%.

    So, has anyone recovered so far?

    Bon chance, mes amis.

  144. Armadillo

    Did the doc get his leg over in Havana as I didn’t keep up.

    Doc sadly discovered that Bill Clinton had gotten to the lovely Maria first.

    On the upside, Doc found a cigar.

  145. P

    This is great tennis.

    For those watching, I hope you are enjoying it as much as I am.

  146. EvilElvis

    Mind you, anyone who pays $8,000 for a dog that can’t drive a ute or do your tax is kidding themselves.

    Australia. Can’t afford to eat or clothe yourself respectedly but spend $1500 and up on a pampered mongrel, bogans dog.

    China. Spend 3 yuan on exotic animals to feed your family of 14. Pamper 3 legged dogs with a pat, then knife.

  147. Arky

    I did the calcs on his age.
    Claims to be older than the mum.
    The fat chick has a kid, so estimate approx 35
    Say mum had her at 15.
    equals 50
    Add 10 years because older = 60
    Add in twenty years because everyone lies = 80
    Add in errors, Beaugan is 80 +/- 10 years
    So 90

  148. JC

    SO FAR. If it kills the weak easily it just may take longer to kill the strong, so I’d say the overall death rate when this is done is going to be a fair bit greater than 3%.

    There are people recovering from it. I bet you’d feel like crap after too.

    You know, about 2 or 3 years ago I had one of the worst bouts of the flu I’ve ever experienced in my life. Around 1 pm I felt a little feverish. I was at the bank waiting my turn around 2 pm and felt every fucking bone aching and I was wondering if I could make it out. At 3pm I was in bed shivering and a quivering wreck. On call doc showed up at around 5 pm and I was given tamiflu.

    If this thing is worse I’d rather die than contract it.

  149. feelthebern

    By now, hopefully all Cats have sorted their fridge & pantry in order of expiry.

  150. Mitch M.

    JC
    #3304218, posted on January 27, 2020 at 8:38 pm
    Does anyone know if Tamiflu work against this virus? Works in the sense that it helps relieve symptoms. Maybe it’s worth getting a prescriptions per each family member.

    Tamiflu doesn’t work against anything. It did improve Rumsfeld’s bank balance.

  151. Armadillo

    By now, hopefully all Cats have sorted their fridge & pantry in order of expiry.

    Oldest bottles of plonk to the front. Done.

  152. feelthebern

    How did Rummy make the dosh Mitch?

  153. feelthebern

    After this pandemic dies out, hopefully there will be a realisation that governments & the public service are a thin facade of overpaid moochers.

  154. JC

    MitchM

    I take it whenever I’ve contracted the flu and if nothing else it relieves symptoms. Don’t think it cuts down on the illness lifespan though.

  155. feelthebern

    The world isn’t ending.
    But we are in for a wild ride.

  156. feelthebern

    If you are sick in China with suspected Zombie virus, you’re better off staying home & isolating yourself.
    If you live you live.
    The idea of going to an overcrowded hospital for a wet cloth & some vitamin C is madness.

  157. Tel

    With the factory shutdowns, China may meet its emissions targets unless the cremations really take off.

    China is guaranteed to meet emissions targets … “We emit whatever we want, and now and then we publish some data which you will nod and accept.”

    That’s their targets, I’m not kidding.

  158. mh

    I would avoid Asian massage shops in Brisbane.

    There could be an unhappy ending.

  159. feelthebern

    You should avoid all human contact mh.
    Family especially.

  160. Boambee John

    Good item at Jo Nova on bushfires.

    Off the charts: Bushfires may be 20 times more intense than the largest fires humans can control

    Ten times the fuel means 100 times the intensity

    Hardly anyone is talking about these numbers yet they show just how far beyond our control the pyroconvective firestorms are and why we need to be so much smarter at preventing them. They also show how irrelevant temperatures onsite are, compared to fuel load and wind speed.

    Controllable fires are 3MW per meter, but we now have loads of 70MW/m

    Not only are these fires obscenely, catastrophically intense, it doesn’t matter how much fire fighting equipment we buy, how many dams we empty, they are a man-made disaster, and we’ve known for years how to prevent them. (Some would say, thousands of years). The message in here is that cool controllable burns are tiny, less damaging, and far less intense. The pyroconvective monsters are totally different creatures.

    RTWT.

    Buried in it is a bit about how the excessive fuel loads have reduced the opportunities for hazard reduction burns, that explains the enthusiasm of the former fire chiefs for “climate change” as an explanation. The alternative is that they allowed fuel loads to build up to current levels through negligent kowtowing to radical environmentalists.

    Time to apply the Precautionary Principle, but not in the way the Slime like to do so?

  161. feelthebern

    If you are forced to travel, try to it outside peak hours.
    Distance between you & others is key.
    Don’t touch anything & wash your hands at every opportunity.
    Carry a sandwich size bag & put it on your hand every time you have to touch an elevator button or get a ticket at a car park.
    Do not fly under any circumstances.

  162. old bloke

    calli
    #3304085, posted on January 27, 2020 at 6:46 pm

    What intrigues me is the ABC publishing lies as truth. If Tench did indeed spread smallpox amongst the indigenes, that is a crime of gargantuan proportions.

    Highly unlikely I would guess. I think that Tench had taken up with an indigenous lady and was quite fond of her, I doubt that he would want to harm her family.

  163. mh

    bern,
    I have to use Brisbane public transport. 7 am tomorrow I’ll be crammed in to a small space with a bunch of people from the Southside who most likely have just flown back from China. I was considering a mask.

  164. EvilElvis

    I’ll bring my hamster wheel as well, rickw. Fuck all this talk about durries and rice and old picture magazines being the basis for the post apocalyptic barter economy! We’d better get busy though, pushing one turd out at a time sounds like hard work.

  165. JC

    feelthebern
    #3304320, posted on January 27, 2020 at 9:52 pm

    After this pandemic dies out, hopefully there will be a realisation that governments & the public service are a thin facade of overpaid moochers.

    Totally inconceivable. This is Australia you’re talking about.

  166. mh

    HongKong Disneyland has shut.

    Mickey has coronavirus.

  167. JC

    Can this virus get entangled with Gerbil Warming? I’m waiting for this.

    The person who’s fully “capable” of doing it would Tim Flannery of course.

  168. cohenite

    The demorats are good; Bolton has released a statement, on the eve of his book publication, saying he wants to testify at Trump’s impeachment.

  169. mh

    China halts stock trading in extended holiday as deadly virus outbreak spreads, sends country into lockdown

    https://www.scmp.com/business/markets/article/3047765/hong-kong-markets-open-normal-amid-wuhan-coronavirus-fears-bourse

  170. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    So, has anyone recovered so far?

    the recovery rate is about half the official death rate

  171. EvilElvis

    We’ll get a week into year 0 and the hard nuts will crack. That loner KD will be missing the old times so much he’ll give up a backpack full of darts just to get one fucking rubber dog turd to remind him of the good old times. He won’t know it, but he’ll get the crap prototype that wasn’t even the proper colour! While rickw and my spawn (obviously to women… Leave the gay shit to week 2 or 3) chuff joyously on our ill-gotten booty. Suck in the winning little ones.

  172. Armadillo

    The world isn’t ending.

    Prove it. Linky’s or it’s not true.You are going to be struggling, Burn.

  173. Armadillo

    You should avoid all human contact mh.

    I seem to recall quite a few Cats giving that advice to mOnster back in the day.

  174. JC

    The American punters did the right thing electing the Kenyan in 12. Romney is fucking poison.

  175. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    the communist party is going to struggle to survive this one

  176. vr

    JC — What has Romney done now?

  177. Archivist

    So, has anyone recovered so far?

    the recovery rate is about half the official death rate

    Yep.
    Of all those who have been infected, 54 have recovered completely. 80 have died. The rest still have it.

  178. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Gabriel Matthew Leung, Dean of Li Ka Shing Faculty of Medicine at HKU, predicts the outbreak will reach its peak in April/May

  179. Archivist

    Gabriel Matthew Leung, Dean of Li Ka Shing Faculty of Medicine at HKU, predicts the outbreak will reach its peak in April/May

    If the infection numbers keep doubling every two days which they are currently, that would make sense because by then there will be nobody left to infect.

  180. vr

    JC – As long as they can call the Bidens, I suppose.
    Why does Trump hire backstabbers? Bolton, the journal op-ed page loves, was a strange choice given his reputation as a war monger.

  181. Helen

    Perhaps Pasco has evidence that stone houses were built with no iron implements like this? Since there was no iron age, or bronze age with indig.

    First make your lime.

  182. feelthebern

    the communist party is going to struggle to survive this one

    They will emerge stronger than ever.

  183. JC

    vr

    My sense why Trump hired him was to access more and differing opinion in the White House. If so, it’s not a bad strategy.

  184. feelthebern

    It’s good to see Bolton outing himself as a leaker-in-chief.
    Always assumed, but now confirmed.

  185. cohenite

    Trump wanted someone tough for his chink negotiations; but Bolton wanted to bomb them not negotiate. Trump gets them and if they don’t perform fires them. He is unique politically. The swamp dwellers don’t like that. The swamp dwellers are used to pollies who play by their rules.

    Bolton will be in touch with Romney who should be shot; the demorats want this dragged out and have already played Bolton.

  186. mh

    Dow futures down 400 points.

  187. JC

    Thanks for pointing it out, mh.

  188. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    eijing, China – As China scrambles to cope with its worst public health crisis since the SARS outbreak in 2003, people living in cities near Wuhan, epicentre of the coronavirus epidemic, fear they are at increasing risk because hospitals and clinics do not have the resources needed to identify and treat those infected.

    “We already ran out of protective suits a few days ago, and now we are using disposable raincoats to offer minimum protection,” a doctor at Xiaogan First People’s hospital in Hubei, who preferred not to be named, told Al Jazeera.

    “Please help us spread the word. We don’t know how long we can last.”
    In Xiangyang, the third-largest city in Hubei and home to more than five million people, there were zero confirmed cases as of January 25, but that has not brought any relief.

    “There are no hospitals in Xiangyang that have the diagnostic kit and can provide diagnosis,” Yixin Yu, a resident of Xiangyang told Al Jazeera. “The most likely diagnosis you get is viral pneumonia and will be asked to go back home to exercise self-quarantine.”

    “It can’t be that there are no infected people – it’s only that no case is being confirmed,” Yu added. Xiangyang is about 300 kilometres (186 miles) northwest of Wuhan.
    The media office of the Xiangyang Local Health Commission told Al Jazeera that despite intensified efforts to try and diagnose patients and treat accordingly, local clinics and hospitals were overcrowded and there was a severe shortage of medical resources.

    “We are aware of the situation in local hospitals,” the director of the office told Al Jazeera in a phone interview. “We have liaised with our superiors and requested more diagnostic kits. We hope to get our hands on them as soon as possible.”

    One of the biggest concerns across the province is that doctors cannot confirm an infection, or take necessary action, without the kit.

    Some residents from cities outside Wuhan fear that means the number of cases is much higher than officially reported because of local hospitals’ inability to officially diagnose the infection.

    Apart from the difficulty in securing the supply of diagnostic devices, local hospitals have also said there is an urgent shortage of medical masks, goggles, gloves, and protective suits.

    In Xiaogan, some doctors and nurses say they have been battling the deadly virus without any effective protective gear.

    The doctor from Xiaogan First People’s Hospital said some of her colleagues had to tear apart transparent plastic file bags to cover their heads because there was no longer a supply of medical protective goggles.

    In Jingzhou, about 220 kilometres (137 miles) west of Wuhan, doctors say they are also grappling with shortages.

  189. Lazlo

    The shortages are due to panic buying. HKU is an Ivey League University and Dean Professor Leung is at the top of her game. They have seen these things before over there (they are Chinese). Don’t panic.

  190. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    “Following Guangdong, Anhui province also starts to witness infection clusters. Authorities have warned a higher probability and risk of local transmission. The number is still growing exponentially, the emergence of cluster infections will make that worse.

  191. Lazlo

    Hang on! We know about “cancer clusters” that seem to infest ABC workplaces.

  192. Mitch M.

    Very detailed analysis. For military history buffs. 5 part series.

  193. JD

    How about putting some cheer back into the thread! Young kid must be the same age as Greta T at the time.

  194. Whalehunt Fun

    The ABC should be quarantined. No one in or out, withthe army ringed around with orders to shoot to kill anyone trying to leave.

  195. Infidel Tiger

    More than 200,000 Chinese students study at Australian universities, making up about 10 per cent of the student population.
    Chinese students in lockdown in their home country are already worried about the start of the university semester, as private schools advise at-risk students to stay home for two weeks.

    Complete and total travel ban.

    They are desperate to get here and infect us.

  196. Mitch M.

    How smart were our ancestors? Turns out the answer isn’t in brain size, but blood flow

    Could also be sugar transporters. Huge difference, by multiples, in the number of sugar transporters in human brains compared to other primates. Not much point having extra oxygen if there isn’t extra energy substrates. One goes with the other.

  197. Leigh Lowe

    mh

    #3304365, posted on January 27, 2020 at 10:50 pm

    Dow futures down 400 points

    Some perspective.
    That is 400 on 29,000.
    About 1.3%.

  198. Mark A

    Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)
    #3304372, posted on January 27, 2020 at 11:10 pm

    “Following Guangdong, Anhui province also starts to witness infection clusters. Authorities have warned a higher probability and risk of local transmission. The number is still growing exponentially, the emergence of cluster infections will make that worse.

    You are enjoying this Zippy aren’t you?

  199. Lazlo

    Lest they infect us with more mindless leftist drivel, WH, totally agree.

  200. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Very detailed analysis. For military history buffs. 5 part series.

    Thank you, I’m bookmarking that one to watch later on. Looks interesting.

  201. Leigh Lowe

    Whalehunt Fun

    #3304376, posted on January 27, 2020 at 11:23 pm

    The ABC should be quarantined. No one in or out, withthe army ringed around with orders to shoot to kill anyone trying to leave.

    And anyone trying to stay.
    And anyone who looks unsure.
    Then bayonet the wounded.

  202. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    disaster porn

  203. Lazlo

    Mitch M: Stalingrad, by Anthony Beevoir is still the definitive, and devastating account of the Russian Campaign.

  204. Mark A

    Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)
    #3304389, posted on January 27, 2020 at 11:44 pm

    disaster porn

    I meant you are neglecting your usual subjects, acting almost as a wartime correspondent.

  205. stackja

    Transgender Holly is finalist in NSW Woman of the Year awards.

  206. mh

    Keep up the gr8 work Zippy.

    I can’t watch all the vids, but I’m sure they are good.

  207. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    time for the graveyard shift to step in

  208. stackja

    Sydney indigenous marble shell hook art. From Pascoe Emu marble quarry?

  209. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Sydney indigenous marble shell hook art. From Pascoe Emu marble quarry?

    Give Bruce Pascoe credit – he’s set the cause or reconciliation and a treaty back fifty years or so..,

  210. mh

    Ozzy had to go to hospital for a rabies injection. Then entered the rock n roll hall of fame.

    Chinese just go home after a meal out.

  211. mh

    The graveyard shift on the Cat doesn’t live up to expectations.

    My stint is done.

    Leave you with the notorious bat muncher

  212. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    they are asking the wrong question, it shouldn’t be just have you been on a plane. anyone with respiratory symptoms in oz should be tested.

    the infection curve is extremely slow to start, growing at about 20% a day but compounding. none of the resulting infections will likely have been anywhere near a plane. only roughly 20% of the infected will have serious symptoms. in other words it takes several weeks, probably a month before any outbreak is readily noticeable, most infections will go unnoticed and then seemingly out of nowhere you get a whole bunch.

    this explains why in Hong Kong for instance there is still no obvious signs of person to person transmission from 8 infections, yet in china it looks like an absurdly high infection rate, it’s the compounding effect in a dense population. 80% of infections mostly act as carriers with moderate to no symptoms.

    china is fucked they are on target for close to half million infections within a week. the entire medical system will collapse, food and medical distribution with become sporadic, thousands will be dying at home.

  213. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    In fact I really don’t think they could have caught it early. by the time they noticed the seafood pneumonia cluster and quarantined 120 people, there would have been at least another 200 without obvious symptoms or mild symptoms.

    3rd world shitholes pretending to be 1st world, shouldn’t play with bio weapons

  214. Knuckle Dragger

    Pub report. No hot chicks.

    About 600 up, excluding a couple of hungie thrown back. Not terrible.

    Big fat orca whitey bloke, about 40, messy slob with guts hanging out of his T shirt is on the phone to his missus in the slow learner’s room. There’s a picture of her on screen, and he’s talking like the fuckwits on the reality shows, talking at the phone from about a metre away.

    ‘Yes, sweetheart. Have you been to the gym? *Pause* Ohh, no no no. If I was going to the gym I want you to go with me, ha ha. *Pause* Yeah, we can go when I get there. *Pause* Hahaaaa. I love your body.’

    And so on.

    The chick’s quite tidy. For an Asian.

  215. EvilElvis

    There’s a picture of her on screen, and he’s talking like the fuckwits on the reality shows, talking at the phone from about a metre away.

    Christ I hate that. Should be a crime, hands cut off for repeat offenders.

  216. old bloke

    mh
    #3304338, posted on January 27, 2020 at 10:12 pm

    bern,
    I have to use Brisbane public transport. 7 am tomorrow I’ll be crammed in to a small space with a bunch of people from the Southside who most likely have just flown back from China. I was considering a mask.

    Get on the bus and start coughing and complaining loudly about the bat soup you just had.

    Ten seconds later, you will have the whole bus to yourself.

  217. Cold-Hands

    The Prince of Darkness has re-released a plush stuffed bat with detachable head to commemorate the 38th anniversary of his biting the head off a real one. The price is the same as the one he released last year.

  218. Knuckle Dragger

    Early start on the stand today. Barry’s still asleep.

    Apparently the UK Health head shed is asking – not telling – Chinee punters who’ve just got back from Wuhan to ‘self-isolate’.

    Oh, well done sir. That’ll work a treat.

  219. Knuckle Dragger

    Sky News anchor chick this morning somehow manages to look funereal, yet hot.

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