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Coronavirus: 4 cases confirmed in Australia, Scott Morrison says they had been anticipated

A disinfection worker wearing protective gears spray antiseptic solution in an train amid rising public concerns over the spread of China's Wuhan Coronavirus. Picture: Getty Images
A disinfection worker wearing protective gears spray antiseptic solution in an train amid rising public concerns over the spread of China’s Wuhan Coronavirus. Picture: Getty Images

Four cases of the deadly coronavirus have been confirmed in Australia, as authorities scramble to contact passengers who shared flights from China with the patients.

Three men tested positive to the respiratory condition in NSW on Saturday, state health authorities confirmed.

The men, aged 35, 43 and 53, have been isolated in hospital to prevent the virus spreading further.

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64 Responses to Coronavirus

  1. Ubique

    The coronavirus is caused by global warming, as were SARS, avian flu, swine flu, ebola and the volcanic eruption eruption at Whakaari. It’s obvious. Gaia is angry.

  2. mh

    Kates still goes to Drudge lol

  3. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    the authorities here don’t realise the virus sheds before symptoms

  4. Another catastrophe for the Left to exploit. Good times.

  5. Mitch M.

    Don’t worry the cure is somewhere in Dark Emu.

  6. Shy Ted

    The correct response is to divert all incoming flights from China to Canberra and make the passengers give politicians a hug.

  7. Tel

    Small, privately run, gated communities, each making it’s own decisions regarding freedom of movement seem like the way to go.

    National governments have proven effective at large military operations … but nearly useless at anything else.

  8. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    A man in his 30s arrived in Sydney from China on January 6 but did not develop symptoms until January 15, when he saw his doctor.

    The second man aged in his 40s arrived on January 18 after spending time in Wuhan but did not show symptoms until January 24.

    NSW Health said the third man arrived in Sydney on China Eastern Flight MU749 on January 20, which touched down at 11:35am.

    He developed symptoms that night and subsequently saw a doctor, later being diagnosed with the virus.

    Authorities are now in the process of tracking down anyone who was on the flight and urging them to be tested for the virus.

    “We have asked the National Incident Room to pull the records for those people that were on the flight and we are getting the seat details,” NSW chief medical officer Kerry Chant said.

    Australia has a number of measures to help stop the spread of coronavirus — but with warnings the disease has a week-long incubation period, carriers could already be in the country.

    Dr Chant said none of the men showed symptoms on the flights.

    “We do not believe that they were infectious at the time of their international flight,” she said.

  9. Destroyer D69

    If it serious enough for China to be quarantining vast swathes of their own country, and racing to create a thousand bed medical facility in less than ten days ,the I am at a loss to describe the soft shoe approach to this disease taken by our agencies…..

  10. Crazyoldranga

    Let’s get Greta onto it, she will have the answers.

  11. flyingduk

    So out rolls the next great scare to keep the proles in line, now that we appear to have survived bushfire thermageddon.

  12. Lilliana

    I am at a loss to describe the soft shoe approach to this disease taken by our agencies…..

    Morrison is not up to the job – he should have stopped flights from China days ago. That direct flight from Wuhan should have definitely been turned around. Now the passengers have dispersed and they are having trouble locating them. I know where one is – in Hobart with coronavirus. Well done Morrison you moron.

    He probably doesn’t want to upset our new masters.

  13. Mind you, is this really that big a deal? On average, 3500 people die from flu in Australia each year, 18,000 are hospitalised and 300,000 seek medical help. How many have died worldwide so far from coronavirus? And how many are old or with pre-existing illnesses that have weakened their bodies?

  14. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Anyone want to do the numbers of the odds of getting a positive from shenzhen and guangdong with a provincial population of 135m and only 78 confirmed cases?

    given shenzhen has population of 12m my back of the envelope calc suggests between 6000 and 12000 infected just in shenzhen.

  15. duncanm

    The real question is how honest China is being with the reported numbers.

    With a high infection rate – shutting down movement is the only way to deal with it at the moment.

  16. Sinclair Davidson

    Damn Morrison government. If only we’d elected Labor and paid more tax.

  17. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Odds Ratios need good data which we haven’t got yet.

    RO recently reduced from 3.8 (pandemic) to 2.8 (still not good) in one figure I saw.
    We should halt flights not just trace contacts and we shouldn’t have let those last few flights in.

    That said, it is very difficult to stop a flu like this which has a slow incubation period in a world of international travel. If it spreads we could certainly ensure those who get it, even mildly, are in specific monitored isolation, and if that overwhelms us that they keep at home away from others and that those who get it badly get to hospital asap. This bug will likely lessen in virulence as the epidemic progresses over its curve but it is on the up at the moment. One thing rather like the 1918 pandemic, which was spread rapidly by demobilizing soldiers, is that it seems to attack the young and healthy very hard. Normal flu does that much less. We do have antibiotics to beat the secondary lung infections that arise, but they won’t touch the viral impact on the lung and other body systems, where modern intensive care can help. AIDs retrovirals have been said to have some capacity to help; we should be stockpiling anything that might be useful, and distributing masks to contacts and 14 day stay-at-home no-contact notices to contacts once evidence of any epidemic taking hold occurs in our cities. (our local Chinese population are asking recent travelers in from likely affected areas to maintain a voluntary 14 day stay at home just in case). Everyone official will be trying to stop panic, which is good because this may yet settle, but a little wise forethought should be in train already. People with flu symptoms should be encouraged NOT to present at local doctor’s offices or public hospital emergency wards but to special designated premises for evaluation.

    Morrison needs to be in VERY close contact with serious-minded epidemiologists and public health medicos. It takes a very good organizational system to beat a flu like this. Put Dutton in charge of it.

    Isolation is the one thing that works. City lockdown is being put in place in China now. Watch carefully.

  18. Up The Workers!

    “Coronavirus”?

    Sounds like something else that Bonking Billy Clinton might have picked up in the Ovary Orifice, from one of his famously Belgian-flavoured cigars.

    KKKillary will NOT be amused!

  19. Lilliana

    Damn Morrison government. If only we’d elected Labor and paid more tax.

    Don’t want Labor and it’s nothing to do with Labor/Liberal. Morrison made a mistake with the bushfires and he’s making a mistake now. He’s turning out to be the best asset Labor currently has. Notice how quiet Albo is – why say anything when the PM is cementing his own demise.

    Look at the rate at which it has spread throughout China. I think people are very very foolish to underestimate the spread of diseases in our interconnected world.

  20. Roger W

    On average, about half a million people die worldwide each year of the “normal” ‘flu, so not sure if this is not another media beat-up.
    We don’t seem to be responding fearfully enough to the suggestion that the world will end in flames in 8-10 years, so maybe a new “Black Death” scare is needed, especially as it looks as if Trump Derangement Syndrome isn’t working too well either.

  21. Roger

    We should halt flights not just trace contacts and we shouldn’t have let those last few flights in.

    Leading virologist in HK who visited Wuhan said that the authirities were slow to act because of fear of losing face. The city should have been quarantined earlier. As it is 300 000 flew out to other parts of CHina and abroad on that Wednesday when the virus had already blown up. Now they’ve had to quarantine a population the size of Canadas.

  22. Gilas

    Roger W
    #3302650, posted on January 26, 2020 at 11:25 am

    On average, about half a million people die worldwide each year of the “normal” ‘flu, so not sure if this is not another media beat-up.

    No, you can be 99.99% sure that it is. Just another respiratory virus, this time a zoonosis.
    Variola, Ebola, H. Zoster, HIV or even a prion it ain’t.

    Effective, simple public health measures to deal with it have been standard practice in Australia for decades.

    But I predict more alarm, more media beat-ups, more regulation, more committees, more bureaucracy, more politician photo-ops… and some more illness which will not rise above the general background noise of viral infection rates.

  23. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Mind you, is this really that big a deal? On average, 3500 people die from flu in Australia each year, 18,000 are hospitalised and 300,000 seek medical help.

    according to ABS, death rate for influenza is 3.9 per 10000 infections. or 0.039%. looking like a death rate of 3-4% for coronavirus ie 100 times higher.

    I think the coincidence of a lethal pathology lab investigating these types of viruses with 20 miles of the outbreak is a bit too much. the most likely explanation is the bug got away from them.

  24. There is a good argument for quarantine because the disease is “new” but six people in a city of 11 million die? One of them is 89 years old?

    This isn’t Ebola and the public serpents are very opportunistic.

  25. Lee

    Let’s get Greta onto it, she will have the answers.

    And (shudder) Adam Bandt.

  26. rickw

    Four cases of the deadly coronavirus have been confirmed in Australia, as authorities scramble to contact passengers who shared flights from China with the patients.

    Good luck, Friday’s domestic QF flights were full of Chinese, most probably having arrived while our treacherous Politicians and Beaurocrats where worrying about not upsetting their masters in the CCP instead of worrying about protecting Australian’s.

  27. Vicki

    Thank you Duncanm for the link to the excellent mapping site for the virus on ARCGIS.

  28. Vicki

    Isolation is the one thing that works. City lockdown is being put in place in China now. Watch carefully.

    Agree with Lizzie. It may well prove to be a false international scare on a massive scale. But pandemics like the Spanish flu have tragic results. Better to be safe than sorry.

  29. Roger W

    Zippy, death rate of 3-4% very problematic. Many, many people will have symptoms that are slight or no worse than normal flu and so will not be counted. How can we possibly know at this stage how many people are in fact even infected?

  30. D69:

    If it serious enough for China to be quarantining vast swathes of their own country, and racing to create a thousand bed medical facility in less than ten days ,the I am at a loss to describe the soft shoe approach to this disease taken by our agencies…..

    Our leaders have become so used to hoping none of the potential disasters happen on their watch – like the grid collapse, water shortage becoming a life threatening disaster, fires going the same way, that they have become incapable of recognising a potential disaster as it’s occurring.
    I’m not joking – it appears to me that they are going to sit on their arses and do nothing at all about the WZVirus.* Just hope, somehow, that it comes good and they can add “Managed End Of Humanity Plague.” to their CVs.
    Just like they did with the Martin Place Hostage, the last four lots of Bushfires, the last dozen or so droughts, and the last floods.

    (Wuhan Zombie Virus, as some wag termed it a couple of days ago.)

  31. Chris M

    Mind you, is this really that big a deal?

    With this one we are stuck between two information sources that are untrustworthy – MSM and CCP. But this time I believe the problem is worse than generally being reported and the death toll is much much higher, definitely thousands. North Korea immediately closed its Chinese border crossing (pretty much its lifeline) several days ago because they know more than we do.

    Problems with this virus is that it is 1) very contagious via airborne particles to eyes and via lungs 2) can survive days on surfaces so contact transfer is possible and worst is 3) shows no symptoms for 2 – 5 days during which the person is infecting others.

    Most likely it originally emanated from the Chinese government infectious disease lab in Wuhan. Sure could be via the bat eaters but they’ve been doing that for centuries.

  32. Chris M

    Oh, and happy year of the Bat folks!

    Soap and water are your friends…

  33. Doomlord:

    Damn Morrison government. If only we’d elected Labor and paid more tax.

    Had we elected Labor, we’d have express lines to Australia at every airport, landing field, and boat ramp in Wuhan.
    And we’d still be asking “What virus?”

  34. Leo G

    The men, aged 35, 43 and 53, have been isolated in hospital to prevent the virus spreading further.

    The virus appears to have a long incubation period, possibly in excess of 8 days, and becomes transmissible by an infected person before clear symptoms appear.
    “The men” should have been quarantined for ten days from the time of their last contact with any person from an infected area before being allowed to make any plane flight.

  35. Judge Dredd

    More fear from the mass media. I’m sure it’s completely different this time as opposed to the AIDS scare, SARS, bird flu, swine flu, Zika, Ebola.
    There is one thing we can be sure of though – the media lies.

  36. Paul

    Zippy
    A man in his 30s arrived in Sydney from China on January 6 but did not develop symptoms until January 15, when he saw his doctor.

    Shut not only our border from China, but China should shut their borders .

  37. Paul

    Kates still goes to Drudge lol

    Sadly Drudge is not what it used to be.

    Just like Fox News

    Lachlan Murdoch is a stupid leftist

  38. Fisky

    More fear from the mass media. I’m sure it’s completely different this time as opposed to the AIDS scare, SARS, bird flu, swine flu, Zika, Ebola.

    Yeah, AIDS was kind of a big deal though, and swine flu has wiped out half the pig stock of China.

    Keep those borders open!

  39. Squirrel

    It may be a bit late now, but this will be a great (extra) reason for banning air travel for the proles…….

  40. Judge Dredd

    Yeah, AIDS was kind of a big deal though

    Only for people into sodomy, or heavy illicit drug use.

  41. Archivist

    This is really bad.

    So far the death rate from infection is about 50 percent.

    The Chinese government clearly knows more than they are letting on. They have now quarantined a total of 50 million people; nobody can get out. They did that when the total infection rate was about 800 and the death toll was 34; you don’t quarantine 50 million people just over that. They’ve set up road blocks; they’ve sent in the army. Supposedly they are building a “hospiteal” in 6 days but as we’ve seen from the state-supplied footage, what they mean by that is that they are digging lots of holes in the ground. Draw your own conclusion.

    For those of you who want to crack a beer and have a chuckle about the latest ‘scare’ quote unquote, have a bit of a scrounge on twitter for the snippets that are sneaking out of Wuhan. There isn’t much to go on because the CCP has quite effectively shut down almost all information coming out, but bits and pieces are coming out. And from what little we know it’s fucking armageddon in there. Really, it’s much worse than you think.

  42. John of Mel

    That’s weird. Not sure how to explain this. And look at the expiry date.

  43. BorisG,

    Funny to see how cats are split on this: either it is a media beat-up or media treacherous under reporting.

    This virus is a flu. It is probably not worse than normal flu in terms of fatality rate. It will spread because of long incumbency period but won’t be very deadly. Best it to be prudent but not panic.

    I visited Wuhan twice last year, and have an Australian friend there. He says none of them are panicking and it is all for them just a little nuisance that they can’t travel etc. he says he literally hasn’t seen a single person who is in distress. On the other hand, some of my Chinese friends away from the epicenter are scared.

  44. BorisG,

    So far the death rate from infection is about 50 percent.

    Where did you get this stupid number from?

  45. BorisG,

    There isn’t much to go on because the CCP has quite effectively shut down almost all information coming out, but bits and pieces are coming out. And from what little we know it’s fucking armageddon in there. Really, it’s much worse than you think.

    Total bullshit. I have a constant contact with a friend in Wuhan who says people are not in panic and he has yet to see anyone in distress – ‘despite what you read on the BBC’. Major nuisance with all public transport shut down – yes, but not much more. Supermarket full of supplies etc.

  46. BorisG,

    Also contrary to what was reported, they did not cordon off the entire Wuhan metropolitan area – only 3 central districts.

  47. Mark A

    BorisG,
    #3303448, posted on January 27, 2020 at 3:29 am

    Care to share those correct and current info?
    Links.
    Thanks.

  48. Turtle

    Tony Jones and his wife Chook Bum Mouth are off to China next week. By the way.

  49. Turtle

    Would be a scary name for a bunch of Chinese rappers.

  50. Nob

    Last night at combo Burns Supper Australia Day and CNY round at pal’s place, just happened that Chinese neighbour-wife was across with homemade dumplings, pork, veg and Wuhan bats she said, LOL.

    Mate offered her a Corona , LOL, but she went for wine.

    Anyway she reckoned from what she could glean from Chinese social media contacts and official media, the people dying are the same vulnerable ones that would be wiped out in any major flu epidemic.

    Apart from the medical staff person.

  51. Archivist

    Where did you get this stupid number from?

    gisanddata, linked above: 56 deaths, 52 recovered.
    I’m simply basing my opinion on the things coming out in the media and social media. Deserted streets, crowded hospitals, bodies, mass exodus.
    But I’m glad your friend in Wuhan says things aren’t as bad as we’re hearing.

  52. Archivist

    Anyway she reckoned from what she could glean from Chinese social media contacts and official media

    Chinese official media isn’t worth much as as reliable source.
    Pretty much all the social media accounts in Wuhan that I’ve seen are painting a grim picture.

  53. Archivist

    So we might expect it to come our way this winter. Still likely to be time to prepare.

    It’s already here. The first case in Australia was detected two days ago, yesterday they found three more.

  54. Archivist

    Or has it been spreading naturally here?

    No, not yet. That will be a threshold that will trigger some rather significant policy actions. The four people that have been discovered with it all brought it with them from mainland China. All four were asymptomatic when they arrived and then got sick after they got here. But it’s likely that there are others who haven’t been detected (yet?).

    There are a lot of unknowns. It’s not actually a flu virus, it’s more similar to SARS than anything. It could all simmer down and go away, which case, great! But there’s also a chance it will go full-on ‘Spanish flu’. If that happens it will happen in the next few weeks, so we won’t have to sit around waiting to find out for very long.

  55. John of Mel

    Russian web-sites promote a theory that it is a push to sell another vaccine. Since the coronavirus patent belongs to the US government now, it seems like an option.

  56. Archivist

    Russian web-sites promote a theory that it is a push to sell another vaccine. Since the coronavirus patent belongs to the US government now, it seems like an option.

    nah… US biotech companies patent everything they can, including viruses. There are lots of ‘coronaviruses’, so it’s not surprising that biotechs have tried to patent them.

    If you want a conspiracy theory, try this:

    * Wuhan is the home to China’s main epidemiology lab, established two years ago. (fact)
    * This lab was also engaged in biowarfare research, tasked with manufacturing particularly virulent strains. (conjecture)
    * The lab was researching coronavirus. (fact)
    * Western scientists have warned that lax standards in the Chinese lab could cause a deadly disease to break out into human populations. (fact).
    * Safety standards in China aren’t always up to the standards they should be. (fact)

    In other words (according to this theory), the virus was cooked up by lab scientists, then due to poor quarantine practices escaped from the lab, into the city.

  57. Archivist

    This virus is a flu.

    No it’s not.

  58. Chris M

    There are lots of ‘coronaviruses’

    Well six, plus this new one now. Four are mild.

  59. Archivist

    Four are mild.

    Not this one.

    Even the Chinese government (after initially trying to hide the problem) admitted yesterday that the virus is getting stronger and that its spread is accelerating. They have quarantined entire cities. That’s not a response to a “mild” virus. That’s not a ‘precautionary measure’. That’s a ‘holy mother of God, do something fast’ kind of measure. Their words and their actions reveal their true estimate of the situation, and it’s cause for major concern, if not outright alarm.

  60. Atoms for Peace

    Pretty well established that the 1918 pandemic was a virus.

  61. BorisG,

    Care to share those correct and current info?

    Only that I had contact again and it is all fine.

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