Champions Folau and Court Defy The Haters and Win

FIRST things first: let it never be forgotten that Australia’s top rugby union and rugby league officials banned devout Christian Israel Folau from making a living as a footballer in this country. Forever. Why? Because using biblical references, Folau condemned homosexuality (amongst several other things). This has never happened before. Statistically, hardly anybody actually is homosexual but the gay lobbies of the Western world have used incitement, defamation, harassment, lawfare and various forms of blackmail to con politicians, administrators, businesses and corporations into seeing them as an army and the ‘acceptance’ of their predilections as the GMT of social harmony. By contrast, if you stomp a man’s head till it cracks in several places and do time in prison for it, Australian rugby league bosses welcome you back with loving arms. It is therefore happy news that Folau has been contracted to play in the Super League for Catalans Dragons. The French team – the 2018 Challenge Cup winners – has signed him for 2020. Literally within minutes, the usual haters strong-armed the first team the Dragons will face this season – Wigan Warriors – into debasing themselves in protest. Debasing themselves as men. Nineteen minutes after the Folau deal was made public, Wigan Tweeted that it would hold a “pride day” when Catalans meet them at their Manchester home ground in March. Wigan players will wear rainbow socks and laces; homosexuals will also be bussed in to cheer them on.

Wigan’s executive director and former playing great, Kris Radlinski – presumably with a straight face – explained why his organisation so hurriedly decided to force the ‘Warriors’ to become the Village People for a day: “Rugby league has a strong history of inclusion, of breaking down barriers and of being a forward-thinking sport. I think that today more than any day that it is vitally important we reiterate that message.” He didn’t explain why inciting a stadium and a city to hate a black man ostracised from his homeland is forward-thinking. Radlinski has made a more impressive than usual transition from player to management, however, which suggests he’s cunning enough to realise there are virtue-signaling points galore to be had for the lynching of Israel Folau.

There are plenty available for John McEnroe too. The tennis genius who did more than any other player to bring his game into disrepute – albeit that many loved watching his chaotic tantrums – is clever enough to denounce another, far greater ‘outspoken’ prodigy in one Margaret Court AO MBE. Along with Martina Navratilova, he wants the Grand Slam legend’s eponymous arena to be renamed to punish her for espousing Folau-like beliefs – meaning, conventional Christian beliefs – about homosexuality. Both foreigners unveiled a half-baked banner yesterday calling for the venue to be renamed “Evonne Goolagong Arena.” I guess somebody told them Mrs Cawley’s aboriginality cancels out any flak about bigotry that could arise if the facility were re-badged for a political reason. And the crowds? They love Margaret more than ever.

It’s the cruelty – verging on psychic violence – that has become the hallmark of these cancel-culture vendettas. The gay lobby’s campaigns – handily, these are now conducted more or less automatically on their behalf – are the most vitriolic of all. Garbed in the robes of ‘tolerance,’ zealots seek not merely to right a perceived wrong but to spiritually destroy their enemies and frighten away their defenders. Margaret Court is 77 years-old. She is the Donald Bradman of tennis. When she was accumulating her titles, it was genuinely, colossally difficult to do so as a woman. McEnroe – a USAF brat – had no such difficulties. Nor did Navratilova. But as Court enters into her final years in this life, both of these callous individuals want her to suffer the ignominy and humiliation of seeing her name physically stripped from Margaret Court Arena. What sort of human being even considers such an act? Not only are they lesser champions, they are also Court’s moral inferiors. They and others will continue to speak of her as a criminal, just as Super League CEO Robert Elstone does of Folau. Theatrically angered by Folau’s comeback in the northern hemisphere, Elstone boasts that he has extracted from Catalans an assurance that “strict guidelines are in place to prevent the player from repeating his comments.” The good news: people this frightened have no chance of winning the long game. None whatsoever.

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101 Responses to Champions Folau and Court Defy The Haters and Win

  1. Pyrmonter

    I had assumed CL was the sort of person who’d inhale First Things.

    (TLDR: there’s a problem with invoking ‘christian’ to describe Folau)

    https://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2019/04/israel-folau-unlikely-martyr

  2. nb

    ‘Champions Folau and Court Defy The Haters and Win’
    That’s why they’re champions, not woke losers.

  3. stevem

    The gay lobby clearly wants to utterly destroy Folau. They hounded him out of one job and clearly want to prevent him ever being employed again. They certainly don’t care about punishment fitting the crime or turning the other cheek.

  4. Cassie of Sydney

    “stevem
    #3305674, posted on January 29, 2020 at 4:40 pm
    The gay lobby clearly wants to utterly destroy Folau. They hounded him out of one job and clearly want to prevent him ever being employed again. They certainly don’t care about punishment fitting the crime or turning the other cheek.”

    That’s right…it was never about “love”…cough, cough, cough….it was only ever about hate, contempt and hard core LGTBQRSTI Marxist agendas.

    More fool those who voted yes.

  5. candy

    McEnroe is a misogynist. Picking on elderly ladies brought up in a different era with a different background to his and he presumes he is very superior. Dreadful, awful man.

  6. Old School Conservative

    Well written C.L.

  7. C.L.

    I had assumed CL was the sort of person who’d inhale First Things.

    I don’t know what this means.

    there’s a problem with invoking ‘christian’ to describe Folau

    No, there isn’t.

    That angry First Things article manages to miss the point entirely.
    Nobody (except his fellow pentecostalists) argues Folau is “orthodox.”
    But he is entitled to profess his views – religious or not – and he is certainly a Christian, albeit a flawed one (like all of us). Speaking personally, I detest his modus operandi.
    It’s also kind of patronising and hypocritical to criticise Folau for using Twitter when Trueman himself is using a blog site.

    TLDR

    Diddums.

  8. Goanna

    The good news: people this frightened have no chance of winning the long game. None whatsoever.

    Great conclusion CL.

  9. Michael Lewis

    How do we, as ordinary people put these self apointed Inquisitors in their place. I can’t stand McEnroe – both for his entitlement and for his pathetic whining – voice commentary on the tennis, which occasionally includes the actual tennis. The attempted action against Margaret Court is obviously futile but the persecution of Israel Folau must be criminal. Are his lawyers ready to do battle again? Disgusting “people” – and I don’t mean Court or Folau.

  10. C.L.

    Pyrmonter, I think you’d be on more solid ground had you objected to my use of “devout.”
    That could be open to misinterpretation.

    Put it another way: I have the highest respect for Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth. I think she’s the world’s greatest head of state (with daylight second) and one of the finest Christian leaders – arguably, the finest crowned leader – in the world today. But as a Catholic, I regard the foundational ideas of her church as heterodox, if not heretical.

  11. The gay lobby clearly wants to utterly destroy Folau.

    The gay lobby perhaps, but not all gays from what i understand. This pogrom on Folau also involves the majority of the Left and especially the MSM. Just this morning the Age mentioned Folau and his slur on gays, but no mention of the fact that he was quoting the Bible, which included a host of other sinners.

  12. Iampeter

    CL, posts like this would make sense if it wasn’t Folau who made bogus religious discrimination claims, dragged his employer to FWA, which is the same as dragging someone to the HRC and all the while supported in this shameless game of leftist identity politics by the Christian lobby.
    Thanks to this concerted assault on our free speech, freedom of association and capitalism in general, launched by Folau, the Christian lobby and anyone supporting them, we now have potential laws in the works, that will further solidify Christianity as just another special interest group, with special privileges just like those you’re trying to criticize and falsely blame for this situation.
    Due to a lack of principles and integrated thinking you’ve supported the very incitement, defamation, harassment, lawfare and various forms of blackmail to con politicians, administrators, businesses and corporations into seeing YOURSELVES as an army and the ‘acceptance’ of YOUR particular predilections that everyone else needs to be subsidizing in one way or another.

    Or to put it more succinctly: do you even hear yourself?

  13. herodotus

    Tolerance = you shut up
    Diversity = quotas for people other than you
    SSM decoded: anti hetero marriage and centuries of successful social structure
    Divisive = conservative
    Inclusive: see diversity

  14. herodotus

    Iampeater would make sense in some other blog, but here he is correctly tagged as a blowhard whose day is largely wasted trying to denigrate all and sundry on Catallaxy. Sad that he has not enough interests to keep him more productively occupied.

  15. Iampeter

    Iampeater would make sense in some other blog, but here he is correctly tagged as a blowhard whose day is largely wasted trying to denigrate all and sundry on Catallaxy. Sad that he has not enough interests to keep him more productively occupied.

    It’s always funny when the many clueless leftists who post at Australia’s Leading Right Wing blog try to suggest that one of the few actually right wingers posting here is the one in the wrong place.

  16. Robbo

    McEnroe and Navratilova are cowardly bullies and they are plying their disgusting abuse in a foreign country. We only see these two nitwits once a year when they slither into Australia to be paid for commenting on the Australian Open. My message to the two of them is that if you cannot behave like decent civilised guests in our country then fuck off back to the USA. We don’t need bad mannered foreigners coming out here and demeaning one of our greatest ever tennis players. Go back to the USA and try pulling the same slimy trick on one of that nations greats.

  17. Tom

    …as Court enters into her final years in this life, both of these callous individuals want her to suffer the ignominy and humiliation of seeing her name physically stripped from Margaret Court Arena. What sort of human being even considers such an act? Not only are they lesser champions, they are also Court’s moral inferiors.

    Fact check: True.

    Great post, CL.

  18. Lee

    McEnroe and Navratilova are cowardly bullies and they are plying their disgusting abuse in a foreign country.

    I’d like to tell them what they can do, but I am too polite to use offensive language on a message board.

    Needless to say, particularly as visitors to this country, their comments are very gratuitous and offensive to a great Australian, and a greater sportsperson and human being then either one of them.

  19. mh

    I would like to see President Trump condemn US citizens Navratilova and McEnroe for their vile comments in Australia regarding how Tennis Australia honours its Australian sporting greats at an Australian sporting arena.

    None of their fucking business.

    They can both fuck off home. Now.

  20. Tintarella di Luna

    Thank you C.L. good to read such a clear and well-written article. I don’t have much time for Folau’s Christian beliefs however he should have the right to express them without being hounded around the planet. The losers are the Australian sporting public and worst of all are the inclusive bigots of Rugby administration in Australia. Israel Folau has been exiled for his religious beliefs. And that repulsive picket-fence-toothed creature who wants to deny Israel Folau the means to earn a living is beyond the pale.

  21. candy

    There is a sense of superiority about McEnroe and Navratilova that they feel they can give advice to Australians about who to bully and trying to dishonour Mrs Court whilst out here probably staying free of charge in beautiful hotels and being feted by the media, and then whiz back to USA feeling smug.

    Lefties never change.

  22. Pyrmonter

    @ CL

    ‘inhale’ as in, consume avidly. The Trueman piece was circulated widely a few months ago. Trueman himself is an evangelical Calvinist, but FT is generally RC.

    Trueman is right on the love (idolatry?) of living martyrdom among some Christians who engage in identity politics. Folau breached his contract of employment, freely entered into. Court says things that most people – including a good many christians (this one included) find offensive. She teaches interpretations of scripture many of us find not only heretical, but apt to have evil consequences if acted upon more widely.

  23. Cui Bono

    And the Aussie msm applaud loud mouth yanks vilifying an Aussie champ. Bottom feeders.

  24. The Beer Whisperer

    Iamshiteater, you’re as predictable as you are odious, obnoxious, insincere, fanatical, superficial and most of all, stupid.

    At least Muttley has some vaguely endearing features if you assume the best of him.

  25. John of Mel

    Interesting, Pyrmonter. I never thought you are a Christian. I thought you are libertarian, like Peter.

  26. Pyrmonter

    (An aside. Terming someone the ‘Don Bradman’ of a sport is not necessarily the compliment you might think: google Harry Hodgetts)

  27. Pyrmonter

    @ John of Mel

    Confirmed, and regular participant in Lord’s Day Observances. Mindful not to make the state or nation an idol. It isn’t quite so fanciful as it might seem.

  28. Mother Lode

    Margaret court objects to what some people do.

    Her detractors object to what she thinks.

    She has not tried to ruin anyone’s career, deprive them of freedom, or even the right to do what she disapproves of. She just holds a belief.

    These strange creatures, consisting of a few sport-ish (and steadily deteriorating) faculties trying to flesh out the substance of a whole person – like a one legged horse trying to gallop – want her annihilated, ground out of existence, her name obliterated from every stele, because her beliefs happen to differ from their beliefs.

    And they call her intolerant.

  29. Gyro Cadiz

    Good article. Thank you for it.

    Iampeter has made the only inchoate and clueless comment here. Blaming the victim and accusing him of being responsible for what was done to him is pathetic.

    Imagine, for a moment, what a better place Rugby Australia would be in had they said “Mr Folau’s religious views and personal opinions are his own and he has freedom of speech we cannot legally infringe. We employ him to play rugby and pay no attention to his religious or other views. So we have nothing to say except that in this season he has played X games and scored Y points which makes him the Z best rugby player in Australia.”

    But no, they had to virtue signal and pander to a minuscule demographic who do not form their paying audience.

  30. Tim Neilson

    Thanks to this concerted assault on our free speech,

    How exactly did the actions of Folau and his supporters assault free speech?

  31. Tim Neilson

    Folau breached his contract of employment, freely entered into.

    Did he? Have you got any evidence of that? Rugby Australia pulled up shy of letting a Court or tribunal rule on that.

  32. C.L.

    Court says things that most people – including a good many christians (this one included) find offensive.

    So what?

    Trueman is right on the love (idolatry?) of living martyrdom among some Christians who engage in identity politics.

    Dismissing those who come to another’s defence as practitioners of “identity politics” is just an ad hom. Louise Milligan makes that argument about the supporters of George Pell (as if any of them would defend unquestionably guilty clerical child molesters).

    It is Folau’s persecutors who are playing identity politics.

    I’m an Irish-Australian Catholic. Folau’s brand of faith and evangelism couldn’t be further away from my own. But the fundamental core of the matter is this: homosexuality is condemned in Sacred Scripture, always has been and still is by the mainstream historical churches – by which I mean the Catholic, the Orthodox, the traditional Anglican and the mainstream evangelical.

    (An aside. Terming someone the ‘Don Bradman’ of a sport is not necessarily the compliment you might think: google Harry Hodgetts)

    You err again and for the same reason: condescension. As an Irish-Australian Catholic (like Tiger O’Reilly), I have imbibed suspicious disregard for Bradman. But his commercial sharp practice and alleged bigotry against Catholics have no bearing on the aptness of the phrase “Bradman of tennis.” Not unless you want to argue he wasn’t really any good as a batsman.

  33. Roger

    (TLDR: there’s a problem with invoking ‘christian’ to describe Folau)

    Last time I checked nobody has a trade mark on the term.

    Be that as it may, Oneness Pentecostals are included in the broad Christian tradition both theologically and sociologically, even if they aren’t in communion with orthodox churches.

    Besides which, those seeking to silence him aren’t parsing his doctrine of God; they’re calling the expression of his beliefs about homosexuality, which would be shared by a majority of Christians around the world, beyond the pale.

    This is a time to take sides.

    With apologies to Martin Niemoeller, ‘First they came for the Oneness Pentecostals…”

  34. At the end of the day, evidence suggests these vicious haters are in a minority. It has been suggested that even the so-called “Progressives” probably number no more than 30% of the voting public throughout the West.

    The next time they whine on – call them “one of the 30%” & watch them descend into apoplexy.

  35. Tim Neilson

    Folau who made bogus religious discrimination claims,

    Have you got any evidence that that was the basis of Folau’s claims? Sure, a lot of people believed, and were concerned (rightly or wrongly) about, the implications for religious observance of the Folau case – including so far as I can tell Folau himself.

    But wasn’t the actual basis of Folau’s claim:
    (a) the undisputed fact that RA had signed him to a fixed term 4 year contract, with over 3 years to run at the time of the termination; and
    (b) Folau’s assertion (disputed by RA, before they gutlessed out) that nothing he had done gave valid grounds in contract law for RA to terminate it.

  36. Roger

    Editing glitch; how I meant to conclude:

    First they came for Israel Folau, and I said nothing because I’m not a Oneness Pentecostal…

  37. More fool those who voted yes.

    Once again, the postal “poll” ensured that the actual “vote” did not represent the full voting population, since so many failed to participate. It was a triumph in tactics of the “loud Left”.

  38. Beachcomber

    Wigan players will wear rainbow socks and laces; homosexuals will also be bussed in to cheer them on.

    Western society has become so servile to Cultural Marxist homosexualism that even Wigan Rugby League players and supporters have been cowed into submission and public humiliation.

    C.L. is right when he says that ” ……. people this frightened have no chance of winning the long game.”, but it’s not the fascist left establishment who are fearful.

  39. Cassie:

    That’s right…it was never about “love”…cough, cough, cough….it was only ever about hate, contempt and hard core LGTBQRSTI Marxist agendas.

    …and after the revolution, these freaks will be first against the wall. Just to keep the revolution pristine, mind you.
    “If only Stalin knew this was happening!”

  40. David Brewer

    This is the real problem in the case of both Folau and Margaret Court:

    In response to Court’s plea, Tennis Australia told The Age they “recognise the tennis achievements of Margaret Court, although her views do not align with our values of equality, diversity and inclusion.”

    First up, Tennis Australia, or the Rugby authorities, do not and cannot have values, whatever they might pretend. Only individual human beings have values, which are purely mental phenomena that can only exist inside some person’s brain. So what does it mean when an institution says it has values? All it can amount to in practice is that the institution will discrminate against individuals who do not profess some specific beliefs that the institution is trying to dignify as being expressions of values.

    In Folau and Court’s cases, sporting authorities are rejecting them because they have repeatedly stated in public that they agree with the Christian religion’s condemnation of homosexual acts as sinful. Now, one could have all sorts of reactions to Folau’s and Court’s views. One could try to deny that Christianity does condemn homosexuality as a sin, although personally I think that’s a hopeless case. One can condemn the sin but not the sinner, a more defensibly Christian belief. One can question the concept of sin, or Christian belief in general, and so on.

    But whatever view one takes, one can only take it as a single human person responsible for one’s mind. No institutions can truly have values or even views, but only policies. This means that the institutions’ criticisms of Folau and Court are in bad faith. They are trying to justify as moral what is essentially just PR posturing. Since their heart and mind are not really in it – because they have no heart and mind – it is hardly surprising they end up claiming an absurdity; namely, that their discrimination, shaming and exclusion of these two sporting greats is due to “our values of equality, diversity and inclusion”. They are cowards and hypocrites.

  41. Beachcomber

    It is shameful that Tennis Australia and the ABC-TASS media ensured that the support for Margaret Court from the Australian Open crowd was not recorded. It is akin to the airbrushing of the the photos of Stalin to remove any ideologically unsound people or features.

  42. Some History

    Hee hee

    Martini Naffrattleover and JohnBoy McSmellytoe with their “sign”

    https://imgur.com/5VCfGBa

    The duo’s stunt put to better use

    https://imgur.com/qCqRpRJ

  43. mh

    To keep the code successful you have to have youngsters playing league. They are the future.

    If they are not seeing stars running around in NRL each round that gets more difficult. The last couple of years a lot of greats have retired. Thurston, Cronk, Slater, Inglis.
    Folau would have got a lot of interest, but politician Peter Beattie knew best.

    Is there one player at the Brisbane Broncos that kids are dying to go see? I doubt it.

  44. Roger

    They are trying to justify as moral what is essentially just PR posturing.

    More simply: it’s virtue signalling.

  45. Old Lefty

    I am not anti-American politically – far from it – but those obnoxious narcissistic prats McEnroe, Navratilova and Billie Jean King are living proof that there really is such a thing as the Ugly American.

    Somebody should tell them, by the way, that we are not some backwater state of the US and they can sod off.

  46. Old Lefty

    Court and Laver had not just more talent, but more dignity, in their little fingers.

  47. calli

    Has anyone bothered to ask Goolagong what she thinks of the Dynamic Duo’s antics?

  48. calli

    I see a lot of White Privilege in that scene. Why are they assuming the little black lady would want her name covering Court’s to make some sort of “statement”?

  49. Roger

    Has anyone bothered to ask Goolagong what she thinks of the Dynamic Duo’s antics?

    I doubt it.

    McEnroe & Navrat expect black people to agree with them.

  50. Infidel Tiger

    Goolagong and Court were doubles partners and great friends.

    So far she hasn’t said anything. People will be working on her.

  51. Rebel with cause

    Fairly uncharitable piece that one on First Things. Apparently Folau isn’t worth our support because he’s not the right kind of Christian.

    I couldn’t care less at this point of Falou believed in the Father, the Son and the Holy Spaghetti Monster at this point. Both Folau and Court are victims of a nasty and intolerant cancel culture that is stifling free thought and free speech. For that they deserve our support.

  52. Mother Lode

    Wigan players will wear rainbow socks and laces; homosexuals will also be bussed in to cheer them on

    And now Wigan supporters have a chance to have an opinion about how the team conducts itself, accoutring itself and screaming out an opinion they may or may not appreciate their club declaring.

  53. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Old School Conservative at 4:49 pm:

    “Well written C.L.”

    Yes, well considered and clearly presented.

    I will read it again now, to allow some time for the anger to subside and the dispassionate man to re-emerge. On occasion I allow this evil campaign against my faith to get to me and that is the last thing a man needs when they are so determined to destroy.

    I will lean on CL’s closing line to remind me of that.

    “The good news: people this frightened have no chance of winning the long game. None whatsoever.”

    I should add – one may see positive signs all around.

    Last night I entered hospital for a test process overnight. I walked in the door to be greeted by a scientist in the field, a female, 40-ish, and my spontaneous reaction was “I know that accent! Where is your family from?”

    “Poland” says she, beaming. … chat, chat, chat … “studied for my Masters at University of Sydney”. “Oh” says I, “I also went to Sydney.” She beamed again.

    I went on “One of my favorite people was Polish, the Bishop of Kraków. His photo sits above our dinner table.” Well, the look on her face was something special – she was so proud – and it lifted my spirits immensely. I could barely understand some of her happy chatter for the next couple of hours.

  54. dover_beach

    Besides which, those seeking to silence him aren’t parsing his doctrine of God; they’re calling the expression of his beliefs about homosexuality, which would be shared by a majority of Christians around the world, beyond the pale.

    This is a time to take sides.

    Indeed, I don’t understand why anyone would want to parse either Folau’s or Court’s Christian bona fides when they are being attacked for views that are expressly orthodox. Doing so objectively assists those conducting the attack.

  55. David Brewer

    Navratilova and McEnroe have now apologised after being reprimanded by Tennis Australia.

    Looks like it was Navratilova’s idea, and poor judgment on McEnroe’s part to get involved. They both should have shown more manners, tact and decorum, as the generation before them did. Fancy having the effrontery and self-entitlement to start a political fight in a foreign country about which national hero ought to have her name on a stadium! Fans come to see good sport, not has-beens dispensing free advice on things that are none of their business.

  56. Pyrmonter

    @ CL

    ‘As an Irish-Australian Catholic’

    Could you be any more tribal?

  57. Infidel Tiger

    John McEnroe took steroids, was ejected from several tournaments including the Aust Open and was accused of waifs battery.

    He’s exactly the sort of person that liberalism loves. Court who has spent her life after a decorated tennis career helping the needy is of course the leper

  58. mh

    McEnroe also pleaded ignorance about the credential regulations, saying in a statement clearly designed to appease tournament organisers: ‘I was not aware of the Tennis Australia rules and protocol for issuing credentials.

    ‘For that I apologise to Tennis Australia and recognise and appreciate the great job they have done to make the Australian Open a great event for the fans, players and myself.’

    Fvcking apologise to Margaret Court now, the most successful female tennis player of all time.

    And beg forgiveness from Australians.

    Then fvck off home.

  59. a reader

    Navratilova comes across as an utter bitch. McEnroe has proved once again that leopard’s don’t change their spots. I also wonder if either of them even asked Evonne Goolagong if they could use her name. I suspect they used her name in vain.

    10 years ago if McEnroe had tried that stunt he’d have been sacked from commentary by Channel 7. Channel 9 clearly have no conscience.

  60. dover_beach

    Could you be any more tribal?

    And yet CL is the one that is casting any disagreements aside that he may have with Court and Folau in their support while you rub salt in their wounds and attempt to cause emnity between him and them.

  61. The Beer Whisperer

    Pyrmonter
    #3305837, posted on January 29, 2020 at 6:49 pm
    (An aside. Terming someone the ‘Don Bradman’ of a sport is not necessarily the compliment you might think: google Harry Hodgetts)

    Found a hit job, but it is laughable. According to this, Bradman was single minded and leveraged his fame for business and money. Whoop-de-do. He wasn’t apparently popular with the other players, yet is indistinguishable from any modern sportsperson. Yawn.

  62. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From David Brewer at 10:12 pm:

    “Navratilova and McEnroe have now apologised after being reprimanded by Tennis Australia.

    …. Fancy having the effrontery and self-entitlement to start a political fight in a foreign country about which national hero ought to have her name on a stadium! Fans come to see good sport, not has-beens dispensing free advice on things that are none of their business.”

    Pigs they apologised! From the snippet I saw on 7 News they made some qualified statement about their actions being aimed at people exactly like Margaret Court, who were unsurpassed in records set 50 years ago – female Christians in their seventies, but not at Margaret Court – that sort of thing.

    I am not at all interested in hearing the whole bullship announcement with them giggling behind their hands (with the Channels 2, 7, 9, 10 and 28 reporters) while the sycophant Australasian Lawn Tennis Association’s president girlie, Jayne Hardlicker (an American) looks on approvingly.

    Navratilova is a long ago illegal from eastern Europe who had the US grant her asylum and who has spent the decades since continuously bagging the joint. She has courted and won popularity and money and international travel – the lot, but it is still not enough.

    McEnroe, who has Irish grandparents and was raised a Catholic, on religion:

    “I had gone to Mass every week until I was eighteen. Even though I had decided for myself that organized religion was a sham, and that God, if He exists, must be deaf, dumb and blind – Catholic guilt doesn’t go away easily.”

    He wasn’t paying attention. I’d bet pounds to peanuts he will rediscover his faith when he’s about to cark it.

    They need the media exposure to pump the price in their next paid commentator’s contracts. Margaret Court is collateral damage at best, an incidental stepping stone, non existent.

  63. Knuckle Dragger

    Ugly bitter old lezzo uses her access to microphones to slag off the single greatest tennis player that ever played the game, reaching heights (but not the cash) she never could.

    Ropes in has-been famous for yelling at umpires.

    When the potential financial consequences are spelled out for them, they apologise.

    Not to Court, mind you. For breaching TA protocols. An appalling state of affairs.

    Another good one C.L., by the way. Hopefully Pyrmonter keeps putting his head in to get it smacked again.

  64. Iampeter

    Pyrmonter – Folau’s personal beliefs don’t have anything to do with the issue, so the First Thing’s analysis is irrelevant.

    The issue is whether you can be fired for any reason or not. The right wing, pro-individualism, pro-free speech, pro-freedom of association and pro-capitalism position is a simple yes. This shouldn’t even need to be debated because it’s that basic.

    As usual conservatives have not taken the right wing position, instead taking the most cookie cutter leftist position without realizing it.
    This thread is a good example of their total obliviousness.

    This is why conservatives are the worst kind of leftists. They don’t even realize they are leftists. They don’t know anything about politics.

  65. NuThink

    In response to Court’s plea, Tennis Australia told The Age they “recognise the tennis achievements of Margaret Court, although her views do not align with our values of equality, diversity and inclusion.”

    If they really are into equality, don’t have separate games for male and female, let them all just compete equally against each other. When it comes to equality one cannot be selective.

    I thought that female tennis rate of pay was equal but that if one counts the number of hours a female game lasts compared to the men, women are paid a lot more.

  66. Mother Lode

    The intolerance of those that proclaim ‘tolerance’, and the uniformity of those who cry out ‘diversity’ will one day become a cautionary chapter in school history books.

  67. calli

    Roping Goolagong in to their idiocy is scandalous. And London to a brick it would have been done without her consent or even her knowledge.

    The entitlement of these two creatures is breathtaking.

    It wouldn’t surprise me in the least that Evonne has been quietly in touch with TA to express her thoughts. Like Court, she’s an Australian to be proud of.

  68. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    I’m so appalled by the behaviour of that pair of obnoxious hasbeens there’s virtually no point in stating it.

    The lesbian has had her tail between her legs since copping a drive by swipe from the “chicks with dicks” brigade over the former’s comment about the self evident absurdity of allowing biological males to compete in various sports against women. As for mcenroe, he’s beneath contempt.

    I’ve made this observation before, but how would Hollyweird have portrayed Margaret Court in this piece of fantastical celluloid nonsense had her views on homosexuals been known at the time it was made? No where near as sympathetically, of course. She would have been cast as a villain (and probably portrayed by magda szubanski or rebel wilson).

  69. NuThink
    #3306199, posted on January 30, 2020 at 7:38 am

    I thought that female tennis rate of pay was equal but that if one counts the number of hours a female game lasts compared to the men, women are paid a lot more.

    Nothing to do with how long a game lasts.
    Think of professional sportsmen as commissioned salesmen. It’s all about bums on seats, eyeballs on screens and the sponsorship they attract.
    In that regard, women’s tennis attracts as much revenue as men’s tennis, hence they get paid the same.
    As it should be.

  70. Gwendolyn

    David Brewer:

    First up, Tennis Australia, or the Rugby authorities, do not and cannot have values, whatever they might pretend. Only individual human beings have values, which are purely mental phenomena that can only exist inside some person’s brain.

    If you believe in religious freedom, David, I think you should stop right now.

    Christian activists have worked tirelessly to ensure the Religious Freedom Bill protects the beliefs of religious institutions, not just individual believers.

    We are close to scoring a big win for religious freedom and the last thing we need right now is one of our own saying “No institutions can truly have values or even views, but only policies.”

    Thanks, but no thanks.

  71. Tim Neilson

    In that regard, women’s tennis attracts as much revenue as men’s tennis, hence they get paid the same.

    Does it? At Grand Slams everything is carefully orchestrated to make things as “equal” as possible – always a men’s and a women’s match in any session on the main courts etc. – so it may be difficult to tell, but are the crowds and ratings at separate men’s and women’s tournaments so comparable that it can truthfully be said that the revenue attracted is attributable equally?

  72. Tim Neilson

    We are close to scoring a big win for religious freedom

    I’d like to think that’s so, but I suspect we’re going to score a big win for [email protected] by setting up a regime which will never ever be used by the “tolerance” bureaucrats to protect a Christian.

  73. Infidel Tiger

    In that regard, women’s tennis attracts as much revenue as men’s tennis, hence they get paid the same.

    That completely untrue.

    Women’s tennis would be lucky to bring in 50% of what men’s tennis does and would t survive as a stand alone lezzo sport.

    There’s a reason the Aus Open has so far scheduled zero sheila games in prime time. No one cares, particularly female viewers.

  74. Roger

    At Grand Slams everything is carefully orchestrated to make things as “equal” as possible – always a men’s and a women’s match in any session on the main courts etc.

    Wasn’t thre something in the news about AO main court ticket holders complaining about how many women’s matches they had to sit through?

  75. Gwendolyn

    Tim Neilson:

    I’d like to think that’s so, but I suspect we’re going to score a big win for [email protected] by setting up a regime which will never ever be used by the “tolerance” bureaucrats to protect a Christian.

    We have to trust our religious leaders. [Hebrews 13:17]

    Archbishop Glenn Davies, Archbishop Anthony Fisher OP, Martyn Iles, Michael Kellahan, Professor Neil Foster, and many others have all pushed for this and they tell us the Draft Religious Freedom Bill is now close to what they asked for.

    They can’t all be wrong!

  76. Speedbox

    Bradman was single minded and leveraged his fame for business and money. Whoop-de-do.

    Precisely. Common knowledge and has never been hidden.

  77. Pyrmonter

    @ Beer

    I’m not troubled by Bradman’s unpopularity with the other players – there seems to have been a division (not confined to Bradman) between heavy and non-drinkers. Bradman was TT. Not something I share with him, but it was fairly common in the first half of the 20C. The issue is his dealings with Hodgetts. Where what he engaged in would today be termed ‘phoenixing’.

  78. Pyrmonter

    @ Tim

    Cast your mind back 15 years. Would you then have thought the granting of a ‘right’ to religious freedom a worthwhile policy?

    I wouldn’t have, and don’t especially now. I’m against this idea of overlaying specific laws with general principles, the application of which is then attended to by the courts, funded on the one side by the public purse and on the other by the unfortunates whose decisions are called into doubt. Feeding the ‘rights’ machine is something thoughtful liberals and conservatives should be wary of, however good the proposed formulation of the rights may be.

  79. Tim Neilson

    Pyrmonter
    #3306483, posted on January 30, 2020 at 12:54 pm

    I agree. The best way to defend religious freedom is to defend freedom.

    And the dismal record of the “Human Rights” Commission is a clear warning against believing that freedom is likely to be enhanced by regulation and bureaucracy.

    That was essentially the point I was making – however well intentioned the idea is, it almost certainly won’t work and is very likely to make things worse.

  80. Tim Neilson

    We have to trust our religious leaders. [Hebrews 13:17]

    We Presbyterians find that hard enough even in spiritual matters – asking us to do it in a political matter is bridge too far.

    I don’t find it at all hard to believe that all our spiritual leaders are dangerously naive about politics.

  81. Gwendolyn

    I don’t find it at all hard to believe that all our spiritual leaders are dangerously naive about politics.

    If you think Martyn Iles is naive, here are eight million reasons you’re wrong:

    https://www.afr.com/companies/sport/inside-story-how-israel-folau-s-legal-team-played-rugby-australia-20191216-p53kcr

    Someone this smart can’t be wrong on the Religious Freedom Bill.

    Now we just need the final changes we want and to get it past Parliament.

  82. Kneel

    “… I’m against this idea of overlaying specific laws with general principles, the application of which is then attended to by the courts, funded on the one side by the public purse and on the other by the unfortunates whose decisions are called into doubt.”

    While I tend to agree, the problem is the “attended by the courts” part – if you are not specific (or too specific even), they will do this. As I understand it, common law is what prevails when there is a lack of content or specificity in statute law, but later statute law can override precedents set at common law. So it’s kind of a balancing act – much like mandatory sentencing is a double edged sword.

    But in general, yes – simplicity is a virtue when writing (or deliberately failing to write) laws. Most especially given the “ignorance is no excuse” bit.

  83. John A

    Lee #3305763, posted on January 29, 2020 at 5:41 pm

    McEnroe and Navratilova are cowardly bullies and they are plying their disgusting abuse in a foreign country.

    I’d like to tell them what they can do, but I am too polite to use offensive language on a message board.

    Lee, how about some decently pungent quotes from Shakespeare?

  84. John of Mel

    In that regard, women’s tennis attracts as much revenue as men’s tennis, hence they get paid the same.
    Does it?

    Easy to quantify. How many commercials can you show in 90 minutes (or less usually) and how many in 180 minutes?

  85. Iampeter

    And the dismal record of the “Human Rights” Commission is a clear warning against believing that freedom is likely to be enhanced by regulation and bureaucracy.

    That was essentially the point I was making – however well intentioned the idea is, it almost certainly won’t work and is very likely to make things worse.

    If that was in any way the point you were making then you would be pretty appalled by Folau, the Christian Lobby and their supporters, who are all pushing for more regulation to “enhance freedom.”
    Clearly you have no problem with that whatsoever or I’m sure we’d have heard something by now.

    As usual, you just pay lip service to what you know the right answer to be but actually believe the exact opposite.

    I can’t even imagine what the purpose of such a pretense could be.

  86. David Brewer

    Gwendolyn:

    Christian activists have worked tirelessly to ensure the Religious Freedom Bill protects the beliefs of religious institutions, not just individual believers.

    We are close to scoring a big win for religious freedom and the last thing we need right now is one of our own saying “No institutions can truly have values or even views, but only policies.”

    It’s not quite the same thing. Institutions may espouse beliefs but those beliefs truly exist only in the minds of believers.

    In any case, surely one can defend the rights of churches to assert the doctrines of their faith without approving of sports authorities banning players for expressing religious convictions?

    The real problem with Folau and similar cases may be with the contracts that sports people now have to sign with sports authorities. Those contracts should never abrogate the sports people’s rights to express their religious, political or other opinions.

    Churches exist to enable believers to practice their religion together. The corresponding legitimate purpse of sports authorities is to run sport, not to promote ideological agendas.

  87. Kneel

    Christian Lobby and their supporters, who are all pushing for more regulation to “enhance freedom.”’

    Tried to get rid of 18C, but that didn’t work.

    So, if we’re stuck with that, and LGBQWERTY crap, and being “!slamophobic” for even asking, then damn right I want the exact same protections at law as these other minorities get applied to Christianity.

    All such laws are onerous and should be struck down, burnt, and the ashes scattered at sea never to rear its ugly head again, but if that is not possible, then at least ensure it applies – and is applied – equally to all.

  88. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From John of Mel at 4:20 pm:

    ” In that regard, women’s tennis attracts as much revenue as men’s tennis, hence they get paid the same.
    Does it?

    Easy to quantify. How many commercials can you show in 90 minutes (or less usually) and how many in 180 minutes?”

    I too saw that and didn’t bother , John.

    Baa Humbug is a dill – his unsubstantiated “As it should be” on equal everything for wymminses is plain childish.

  89. Porter

    I find it amusing that the Boomers who grew up head banging to Accadacca’s Highway to Hell are suddenly so afraid of the word. Of course it is not hell they are worried about. They are just too afraid not to be seen celebrating sodomy. Unless you’re Tim Gillard musing about proctologists with small hands every man on this planet must celebrate sodomy according to this crew. I use the word ‘sodomy’ deliberately because it triggers some of the authoritarians that lurk on this blog.

  90. Porter

    You pay about 500 bucks for a ticket to the Australian Open. The women play best of three the men play best of 5. If you end up at women’s match you get about 40 minutes of play for your money. At least the men earn their keep. The women are just whingers. The women should be paid 3/5 what the men are paid because they do not do the same quantity of work as the men.

  91. Iampeter

    Tried to get rid of 18C, but that didn’t work.

    It “didn’t work” because conservatives don’t really disagree with it.
    As we can see from the Folau episode.

    I use the word ‘sodomy’ deliberately because it triggers some of the authoritarians that lurk on this blog.

    The authoritarians here aren’t “lurking,” they are the majority. There’s not an aspect of peoples lives that the conservatives posting here don’t want to see the state controlling. Including even sodomy it seems.
    The issue for you isn’t authoritarianism, but that your faction is not in control of any potential authoritarian government.

    Side note: looks like you can get internet access and post at the Cat even from the caves of Afghanistan…

  92. bespoke

    Imp has said he would ban protesting so pay him no cred.

  93. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    The women should be paid 3/5 what the men are paid because they do not do the same quantity of work as the men.

    Porter, give it away. You’re trying to explain extremely simple mathematics to the sort of cretins who claim (on this blog, no less) that 93.1% of the US electorate didn’t vote for Orange Florida Man (Bad) in 2016.

    As usual, you just pay lip service to what you know the right answer to be but actually believe the exact opposite.

    FFS, you are an unrelenting irredeemable and utterly incoherent imbecile. Found any evidence of the legislation required to repeal regulations in the US, you drivelling dunderhead?

  94. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    Including even sodomy it seems.

    Yet again, you are deliberately misrepresenting the views of most commenters on this blog. My view has always been that it is of no interest to the state (or anyone else for that matter) what consenting adults get up to in the privacy of their own bedrooms.

    Personally, I just don’t want to be hearing about it all the f*cking time from stupid obnoxious narcissistic homosexual dickheads. Nor does their practising of their repulsive personal habits give them any right to demand that I be persecuted by the state or my employer or by others for holding the entirely legitimate opinion that their habits are repulsive.

    Now fuck off, you obnoxious idiot.

  95. Gwendolyn

    Iampeter:

    you would be pretty appalled by Folau,

    I’m only appalled and disappointed that Izzy decided to sign away his God-given right to express his Christian faith.

    Why did we donate to his cause? Was it all for nought?

    I hope and pray that God calls Izzy to speak out and, if the English Super League terminates his contract, he sues them and walks away with another eight million dollars. The Felix Ngole case shows the law will be on his side.

    the Christian Lobby and their supporters, who are all pushing for more regulation to “enhance freedom.”

    I don’t know where you get “enhanced freedom” from.

    Christians are the most persecuted religious group in the world. All we’re asking for is our basic human rights, because all human rights come from God.

    David Brewer:

    Institutions may espouse beliefs but those beliefs truly exist only in the minds of believers.

    Those beliefs exist because of the one true living God, not because of “the minds of believers”.

    The Church as an institution does not exist merely as a collective of the believers. Its authority comes from God, not from believers.

    Churches exist to enable believers to practice their religion together.

    Churches exist to enable believers to practise the Church’s religion in accordance with the Bible and Canon Law. That’s what needs protecting with the new Religious Freedom Bill.

    This idea that religious belief emanates from the bottom up, and that the churches are instruments of believers instead of the missional instrument of God, is plainly wrong and offensive to all true Christians.

    Porter:

    I use the word ‘sodomy’ deliberately because it triggers some of the authoritarians that lurk on this blog.

    When was it Christians and Christian leaders stop using “sodomy” and “sodomite” and start saying “gay” and “LGBT”?

    That’s when the rot set it; when we removed God’s judgement from these acts even just in the way we talk about them.

  96. Kneel

    “It “didn’t work” because conservatives don’t really disagree with it.”

    It doesn’t mater why it didn’t get done, it simply wasn’t done, despite TA campaigning on this.
    It would have been a better solution because it reduced complexity.
    I think you’re wrong though – I think it didn’t get done because they were scared the ALPBC would never stop whining about “lost protections for the most vulnerable” or some such crap, and it would “cost them” government. I personally feel that the reverse is the case – that you are more likely to lose votes by not following through on your campaign promises than you are by doing something “unpopular” that you campaigned on.

    In any case, since you appear to agree that removing 18C is unlikely and/or impossible, what would you suggest as the next best option? Come on, don’t just sit there whinging that everyone else is an idiot and prattling on about what “should be”, deal with what IS and give us YOUR solution – or FOAD.

  97. Iampeter

    Yet again, you are deliberately misrepresenting the views of most commenters on this blog.

    I have never misrepresented the views of commenters on this blog. You are for the most part the most politically illiterate leftist and statists I’ve ever met. So clueless that you don’t even understand your own positions.

    My view has always been that it is of no interest to the state (or anyone else for that matter) what consenting adults get up to in the privacy of their own bedrooms.

    If that was ever your position then you’d be saying things similar to me, instead of attacking me. No, you’re just paying lip-service to what you know is the right position but you don’t really agree with it.

    Personally, I just don’t want to be hearing about it all the f*cking time from stupid obnoxious narcissistic homosexual dickheads.

    But you have no issues hearing about it from Christians, who are far more delusional than someone with sexual preferences you disagree with. Get outta here with this endless parade of lies and self contradictions, you halfwit leftist.

    I’m only appalled and disappointed that Izzy decided to sign away his God-given right to express his Christian faith.

    Don’t feel bad. I hear there’s a sucker born every minute. You’re not alone.

    I don’t know where you get “enhanced freedom” from.

    From the delusional leftists claiming the firing of Folau was in any way about “religious freedom.”
    From the Orwellian “religious freedom” laws that are currently being tabled in Parliament.
    You know, just generally being informed on the issue.

    Christians are the most persecuted religious group in the world.

    No, you collectivist. Individuals are the ones being persecuted all over the world and this includes persecution from Christians. As we see with the Folau saga.

  98. Iampeter

    It doesn’t mater why it didn’t get done, it simply wasn’t done, despite TA campaigning on this.

    All that matters is WHY it couldn’t get done.

    In any case, since you appear to agree that removing 18C is unlikely and/or impossible, what would you suggest as the next best option?

    It’s very possible. I’m saying it’s impossible for conservatives who don’t really disagree with.

  99. Spurgeon Monkfish III

    But you have no issues hearing about it from Christians

    I’m not remotely interested in their views either, you fucking moron.

    If that was ever your position then you’d be saying things similar to me, instead of attacking me.

    You are the most unhinged, ignorant narcissistic imbecile blighting this site, you fucking moron. That automatically precludes me “saying things” that resemble in any way, shape or form the fucking garbage you vomit onto this site with monotonous regularity.

    BTW, where’s the evidence of the republican legislation that seeks to repeal regulations, you monumental fuckwit?

  100. Iampeter

    I’m not remotely interested in their views either, you fucking moron.

    Then you’d be saying very different things and certainly not attacking me. Like I said, get outta here with your lies and self-contradictions.

    You are the most unhinged, ignorant narcissistic imbecile blighting this site, you fucking moron.

    I see you guys have topped up your projection budget for the day.

    BTW, where’s the evidence of the republican legislation that seeks to repeal regulations, you monumental fuckwit?

    What? Don’t bother. I don’t really care.

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