No witnesses in Senate hearing now onto the election season

Now official. No witnesses. No trial. On to the election, with these a pair of PDT trial ads that pave the way towards November. Iowa caucuses begin Monday. Then Trump’s state of the union.

The Democrats are running on abortion rights, gun control, Medicare for all plus free this and free that. Not to mention open borders. Plus the one-way media. As incompetent as the Democrats may be, they have an automatic constituency that reaches towards half the country, and then they will cheat like mad. Plus the impeachment saga will go on endlessly. It’s by no means over.

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53 Responses to No witnesses in Senate hearing now onto the election season

  1. Bruce of Newcastle

    The vote went as expected, with every Democrat voting for more witnesses and documents and every Republican voting against extending the trial, with the exceptions of Sens. Susan Collins (R-Maine) and Mitt Romney (R-Utah).

    Collins has been getting a lot of vile tweets from lefties this week, so it seems she’s trying to sit on the fence. Won’t help her. Dems hate her for voting for Kavanaugh. And Republican voters are 94% in favour of Trump (Quinnipiac poll 28 Jan), which means she’s going to struggle.

    As for Mitt, he has so annoyed Utahites that this has just happened:

    Utah lawmaker files bill to allow recall of sitting US senator (30 Jan)

    Hey I wonder who it’s aimed at. 😀

  2. Then there’s the registering of non-citizens for voting. The Dems have a lot of dirty tricks up their sleeves.

  3. Colonel Crispin Berka

    So he hasn’t been acquitted, they just didn’t hold a trial?

    Is that in the rule book of this game?

  4. Zatara

    The trial is still going on. They vote on the results next Wens.

    What happened today is that the Dems got a reality check.

    When you are prosecuting a trial you don’t ask the jury to provide the witnesses.

  5. stackja

    bemused
    #3309105, posted on February 1, 2020 at 10:44 am
    Then there’s the registering of non-citizens for voting. The Dems have a lot of dirty tricks up their sleeves.

    Jeffery Epstein will vote early and often in many states.

  6. stackja

    Pelosi invention failed patent case.

  7. So he hasn’t been acquitted, they just didn’t hold a trial?

    In a court of law (the Senate), if no evidence can be presented by the prosecutor (the Dems) that the accused has committed a crime, the case is dismissed. There is no point in conducting a trial. The Dems screwed up monumentally, again.

  8. Mother Lode

    Crispin Burke is growing more decrepit by the day.

    But it is something Trump will need to make clear because the MSM will be ubiquitous with misrepresentations. They not only held a deficient inquiring the lower house, with inadequate legal authority and thus attempting to re-write proceedings for the lower house, they held onto their results as long as they dared, and now want to run upper house proceedings from the Lower House.

    And all to accuse Trump of what Bide admitted to on TV.

  9. Zatara

    In a court of law (the Senate), if no evidence can be presented by the prosecutor (the Dems) that the accused has committed a crime, the case is dismissed

    In this case they presented what little they had. Which was nothing really as they couldn’t even come up with a chargeable offense.

    A vote was taken today where the Senate (the jury) declared they weren’t going to do the prosecution’s job for them by subpoenaing witnesses and documents.

    There will be closing arguments next Mon/Tues followed by a final vote to acquit on Wens.

  10. Leigh Lowe

    So he hasn’t been acquitted, they just didn’t hold a trial?

    No.
    They will vote on a verdict, which requires a two-thirds majority to convict (67 out of 100 senators).
    They need to flip 18 Republicans from the 51:49 vote on witnesses.
    Not happening.

  11. Mother Lode

    I think I will never understand the American attachment to that suffocating lay shallow musical used in the first clip.

    But they do.

    They should certainly keep Trump in the White House if for no other reason than keeping Melania as FLOTUS.

    Considering the Dimocrats threw up that malign grimacing hulk, Michelle Obama, who would stand there heaving with great blasts of air keeping her body primed to the ancient instinctive quest for food, running her eyes across the audience searching out the weakest or slowest of the herd, slavering, growling, calculating…

    Look at the frightful menagerie the Democrats are trying to portray as human until November – the possibilities are too terrible to contemplate.

  12. Fisky

    m0000000nty!!! Where aaaaaaaare youuuuuu? Get over here m0nster and explain yourself!

  13. Colonel Crispin Berka

    Mother Lode, I asked a question. Okay maybe a slightly loaded question, but I was genuinely looking for an answer. I have been given the answer. Which is I was absolutely correct, he had not been acquitted when I asked that question, but he will be formally acquitted soon because of the lack of evidence, and that’s not being done until next week.

    You on the other hand cannot get more cynical as you have maxed out the cynicometer.

    Actually that might be a good starting point for another of Muddy’s definitions.
    Who was the most cynical person ever, and can a unit of cynicism be named after them?

  14. nb

    stackja, #3309118, posted on February 1, 2020 at 10:58 am:
    ‘Jeffery Epstein will vote early and often in many states.’
    Hilarious. Seth Rich, too.

    Mother Lode, #3309216, posted on February 1, 2020 at 12:09 pm:
    ‘keeping Melania as FLOTUS’
    Ain’t that the truth!

  15. Derp

    They vote on Wednesday which is after the State of the Union address and the Iowa convention.
    Which also means Senators Warren, Sanders and Klobuchar remain shackled to DC and are not campaigning in Iowa.

    Expect the media hysteria to be ramped up to eleventy.

  16. Iampeter

    Now official. No witnesses. No trial.

    Well yea, because they refused to provide them.
    Basically the precedent has now been set that a corrupt President cannot be removed from office by Congress and America takes another step in the direction of something like Venezuela. All thanks to conservatives, the leftists that keep on giving!

    m0000000nty!!! Where aaaaaaaare youuuuuu? Get over here m0nster and explain yourself!

    Oh yes! Real deep political discourse will take place then.
    Can’t wait!

  17. OldOzzie

    It’s About Corruption – Replacing a Failed and Corrupt Political Establishment

    American presidents have their famous speeches, remembered long after they leave office. JFK said: “Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country.” Ronald Reagan stood at the Brandenburg Gate and told Mikhail Gorbachev to: “Tear down this wall.”

    Some speeches are memorable in other ways. George W. Bush, days after 9/11, ironically announced that: “Islam is peace.” Barack Obama proclaimed himself the messiah: “This was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow, and our planet began to heal.”

    President Trump has certainly given strong speeches, such as at the recent March for Life. But he may be remembered more for his raucous rallies and hilarious tweets. Yet one speech has flown under the radar.

    On Oct. 13, 2016, just weeks before the election, Trump spoke at a campaign rally in Florida. Leading up to the election, he was holding several rallies each day, giving numerous speeches, but this seemingly random speech stands out.

    The opening lines are prescient, becoming painfully obvious now almost four years after he laid out the scale of corruption.

    Our movement is about replacing a failed and corrupt political establishment with a new government controlled by you, the American People. There is nothing the political

    establishment will not do, and no lie they will not tell, to hold on to their prestige and power at your expense.

    The Washington establishment, and the financial and media corporations that fund it, exists for only one reason: to protect and enrich itself.

    The establishment has trillions of dollars at stake in this election. As an example, just one single trade deal they’d like to pass, involves trillions of dollars controlled by many countries, corporations and lobbyists.

    For those who control the levers of power in Washington, and for the global special interests they partner with, our campaign represents an existential threat.

    “Protect and enrich.” This is a perfect encapsulation of the Clinton Foundation and the Obama book and television deals. Then there is the Biden family corruption, followed closely behind by similar abuses of power and office by the Warren and Sanders families, as Peter Schweizer described in his recent book “Profiles in Corruption.” These names just scratch the surface of government corruption.

    Candidate Trump then went on to say:

    It’s a global power structure that is responsible for the economic decisions that have robbed our working class, stripped our country of its wealth, and put that money into the pockets of a handful of large corporations and political entities.

    This is money given to corrupt foreign countries, disguised as aid, only to be returned to the political elite by hiring their unqualified family members for do-nothing jobs, as in Hunter Biden, or funneling these U.S. taxpayer dollars back into political foundations, consultancies, or campaign contributions.

    Once upon a time, journalists investigated such corruption. Now they ignore it, aiding and abetting the deception. As Trump said in his speech:

    The corporate media in our country is no longer involved in journalism. They are a political special interest, no different than any lobbyist or other financial entity with an agenda.

    Speak up against the cabal and you will be destroyed, or even commit suicide. Trump went on:

    The establishment and their media enablers wield control over this nation through means that are well known. Anyone who challenges their control is deemed a sexist, a racist, a xenophobe and morally deformed. They will attack you, they will slander you, they will seek to destroy your career and reputation. And they will lie, lie and lie even more.

  18. OldOzzie

    It’s About Corruption – Replacing a Failed and Corrupt Political Establishment

    American presidents have their famous speeches, remembered long after they leave office. JFK said: “Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country.” Ronald Reagan stood at the Brandenburg Gate and told Mikhail Gorbachev to: “Tear down this wall.”

    Some speeches are memorable in other ways. George W. Bush, days after 9/11, ironically announced that: “Isl*m is peace.” Barack Obama proclaimed himself the messiah: “This was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow, and our planet began to heal.”

    President Trump has certainly given strong speeches, such as at the recent March for Life. But he may be remembered more for his raucous rallies and hilarious tweets. Yet one speech has flown under the radar.

    On Oct. 13, 2016, just weeks before the election, Trump spoke at a campaign rally in Florida. Leading up to the election, he was holding several rallies each day, giving numerous speeches, but this seemingly random speech stands out.

    The opening lines are prescient, becoming painfully obvious now almost four years after he laid out the scale of corruption.

    Our movement is about replacing a failed and corrupt political establishment with a new government controlled by you, the American People. There is nothing the political

    establishment will not do, and no lie they will not tell, to hold on to their prestige and power at your expense.

    The Washington establishment, and the financial and media corporations that fund it, exists for only one reason: to protect and enrich itself.

    The establishment has trillions of dollars at stake in this election. As an example, just one single trade deal they’d like to pass, involves trillions of dollars controlled by many countries, corporations and lobbyists.

    For those who control the levers of power in Washington, and for the global special interests they partner with, our campaign represents an existential threat.

    “Protect and enrich.” This is a perfect encapsulation of the Clinton Foundation and the Obama book and television deals. Then there is the Biden family corruption, followed closely behind by similar abuses of power and office by the Warren and Sanders families, as Peter Schweizer described in his recent book “Profiles in Corruption.” These names just scratch the surface of government corruption.

    Candidate Trump then went on to say:

    It’s a global power structure that is responsible for the economic decisions that have robbed our working class, stripped our country of its wealth, and put that money into the pockets of a handful of large corporations and political entities.

    This is money given to corrupt foreign countries, disguised as aid, only to be returned to the political elite by hiring their unqualified family members for do-nothing jobs, as in Hunter Biden, or funneling these U.S. taxpayer dollars back into political foundations, consultancies, or campaign contributions.

    Once upon a time, journalists investigated such corruption. Now they ignore it, aiding and abetting the deception. As Trump said in his speech:

    The corporate media in our country is no longer involved in journalism. They are a political special interest, no different than any lobbyist or other financial entity with an agenda.

    Speak up against the cabal and you will be destroyed, or even commit suicide. Trump went on:

    The establishment and their media enablers wield control over this nation through means that are well known. Anyone who challenges their control is deemed a sexist, a racist, a xenophobe and morally deformed. They will attack you, they will slander you, they will seek to destroy your career and reputation. And they will lie, lie and lie even more.

  19. herodotus

    Most of the media are happily retailing the “can’t be a fair trial without witnesses” sans demur.
    Never mind the Democrat perversion of the lower house process. Doesn’t get a mention.

  20. herodotus

    Basically the precedent has now been set that a corrupt President cannot be removed from office by Congress
    The Dems should recruit ampeater – he’s every bit as good as them at bending reality.

  21. OldOzzie

    The Right to a Fair Trial

    His worst offense has been hurting the Democrat’s feelings.

    Donald Trump’s impeachment by the House of Representatives was a sick joke — secret hearings in basements, exculpatory information withheld, it quickly degenerated into a sick partisan kangaroo court with the outcome of impeachment determined before the start. The Right to a Fair Trial

    His worst offense has been hurting the Democrat’s feelings.

    Donald Trump’s impeachment by the House of Representatives was a sick joke — secret hearings in basements, exculpatory information withheld, it quickly degenerated into a sick partisan kangaroo court with the outcome of impeachment determined before the start. Lies were uttered and repeated until they became mantras, as if to prove the old adage about a lie told often enough becoming the truth, which is a dumb adage because lies never become true… but they can be believed by a gullible-enough audience.

    However, we can all see the grotesque unfairness of this travesty of justice… only the prosecution can be allowed witnesses, with none for the defense.

    Why would anyone believe that Trump would be worried about running against Joe Biden? It’s doubtful that Biden would ever become the nominee. Besides, the entire Democratic field is a clown car… Trump doesn’t seem to be very worried about any of them, but the Democrats are worried sure as hell that they can’t beat him in a fair election, which is why we have an impeachment with no crimes and for no legitimate reason. There are sixteen hours of questions and answers before a vote on witnesses.

    However, we can all see the grotesque unfairness of this travesty of justice… only the prosecution can be allowed witnesses, with none for the defense.

    Why would anyone believe that Trump would be worried about running against Joe Biden? It’s doubtful that Biden would ever become the nominee. Besides, the entire Democratic field is a clown car… Trump doesn’t seem to be very worried about any of them, but the Democrats are worried sure as hell that they can’t beat him in a fair election, which is why we have an impeachment with no crimes and for no legitimate reason.

  22. FelixKruell

    and then they will cheat like mad.

    The gall. Especially given the number of republican states found guilty of brazen gerrymandering.

  23. Mother Lode

    Oh, Crispin.

    I am in fact an uncommonly charitable person.

    But perhaps I spoke in haste when I attributed what you posted in ignorance instead to trolling.

    I drip with apologies and leave damp footprints as a go to the bathroom to wring the excess out of my soul.

  24. Bruce of Newcastle

    Basically the precedent has now been set that an corrupt innocent President cannot be removed from office by a corrupt Congress

    FIFY.
    Although it’s actually only the Dems who are trying this on.
    I’m amused that a Dem house-wrangler has now admitted they bought the entirely fake Steele dossier, then used it to sicc the corrupt FBI onto Trump and Carter Page. In other words everything the righty blogosphere has been saying for three years has been entirely true. The Left is utterly corrupt.

    (Those links are from the last couple days incidentally, please do have a read of them.)

  25. Mother Lode

    The gall. Especially given the number of republican states found guilty of brazen gerrymandering.

    Is this going to be the new crusade, since the Meuller Report passed ‘not with a bang but a whimper’, and the impeachment about to dissipate in a puff even fainter?

  26. ACTOldFart

    Whenever the ABC wants to find a Republican who will speak ill of Trump, they go to Mitt Romney

    And now Romney has voted in the Senate essentially against Trump’s interests.

    What is it with Romney? Why does he hate Trump that much? Or is it just, as with Biden and Pelosi, senile dementia settling in?

  27. Bruce of Newcastle

    Waaahhhh!

    Hollywood Melts Down as Impeachment Trial Leans Toward no Witnesses: ‘Our Country Is in Great Danger’ (31 Jan)

    These people who push fantasies for a living sure do seem to be unhappy with reality.

  28. Cui Bono

    Mitt Romney, the Presidential candidate from central casting, who makes John Hewson and Malcolm Turnbull look like fine upstanding characters.

  29. Entropy

    In case you are wondering g what the mouth frothers at Move On are saying:

    Then, they said there might have been a quid pro quo, but it was to prevent corruption in Ukraine, not to get a foreign government to help with Trump’s re-election.

    And now, finally, Republicans are saying, “Yep, he did it. And we just don’t care.”

    Barring some radical and stunning new developments, the Republican-led Senate will soon try to end this sham trial with a total cover-up of Donald Trump’s high crimes and misdemeanors—and without hearing what a single witness had to say.

    What an absolute and total disgrace.

    There’s only one solution left to save our democracy and hold Trump accountable: We need to make sure that this shameless cover-up ends the political careers of Donald Trump, Mitch McConnell, Cory Gardner, Martha McSally, Susan Collins, Joni Ernst, and every other Senate Republican who enabled this outrage

    Susan Collins, of course, voted against not bothering with a conga line of witnesses. As usual though, it did not win her gentle tratement, as you can not appease these people. The crocodile will still eat you in the end.
    I presume her electorate is marginal?

  30. PB

    Sounds like the Dems are already planning to lose the election. Maybe this has all been a sham from the start to boost Trump who has been shoveling taxpayer generosity to Israel at a rate exceeded by any past US President. Can’t help but notice the almost complete involvement of Judaism in building the momentum and providing the actors for the Impeachment/Russia joint farces. You can almost smell the tropes springing to life.

  31. Cui Bono

    Joe and Hunter happy.

  32. Zatara

    What is it with Romney? Why does he hate Trump that much?

    Romney wanted to be Trump’s Secretary of State. Trump said no.

    Gee Mitt, I wonder why?

    Mitt Romney delivered a sweeping broadside against Donald Trump on Thursday, laying into the Republican presidential front-runner with a sharper attack than any of the party’s 2016 contenders have made against the billionaire business mogul.
    “Here’s what I know: Donald Trump is a phony, a fraud,”

    – Mittens, pre-election 2016

  33. If you gotta have a Schiff …….
    Don’t forget to wipe your Pelosi !

  34. Zatara

    Entire speech Old Ozzie referenced above.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHsZxJlxHYw&feature=emb_logo

    An absolute classic.

  35. FelixKruell

    Mother:

    Is this going to be the new crusade, since the Meuller Report passed ‘not with a bang but a whimper’, and the impeachment about to dissipate in a puff even fainter?

    It’s been in the courts for several years now. So hardly a new crusade. But it makes a mockery of claims the Democrats plan to cheat to win the election.

  36. BorisG,

    Why would anyone believe that Trump would be worried about running against Joe Biden?

    Not sure he would. But I guess it is in his gut instincts to fight against his opponents, no matter how insignificant they are.

  37. John Brumble

    Boris. Just to be clear, can I run something by you,
    First, I want to make sure you’re aware of two facts:
    1) Hunter Biden was employed in a massively over-paid role for which he had no qualifications other than being the son of a powerful American figure.
    2) Joe Biden has not only admitted, but gloated about using his influence and the threat of withdrawal American aid to ensure his son was not investigated.
    These are facts. They are not opinions. They are not open to “interpretation” or confusion. These things happened and they happened in this way.
    But, as I understand you, it is your position that it is not possible that Trump simply felt that these circumstances should properly be investigated and, instead, the only possible conclusion to draw in good faith is that Trump wanted to discredit an opponent.
    Despite that opponent clearly being well back in the poles. Despite the fact that Biden’s own words had already discredited him. And, above all (and I want to be very clear about this) despite the fact that this bad orange man you so hate had said not a damn word about this investigation he is meant to have orchestrated and it only ever made it back into the news (not that it was covered properly in the first place) due to the Democrats. Apparently a man renown for his brash over-confidence and loud mouth unaccountably (traits you waste no time in denigrating him for) didn’t say anything about it when all it would have involved would have been saying exactly what Biden had said so confidently in the past with no comment.

    Is this what you’re saying? That despite all this, the only possible good faith conclusion is that Trump bribed Ukraine to discredit Biden?

  38. Mother Lode

    Felix:

    It’s been in the courts for several years now. So hardly a new crusade.

    It is a ‘crusade’ when the Dims make it their great cause and try to rally the Dimocrat base.

    Or did you think the Meuller fiasco and Impeachment debacle got the same attention and fury from the Dims and MSM as this new gambit.

    Would I be right in guessing the supposed gerrymander is the way the electoral college works – which was deliberately set up so more populous areas like NY and California did not hold undue power over the rest of the country?

  39. FelixKruell

    Mother:

    It is a ‘crusade’ when the Dims make it their great cause and try to rally the Dimocrat base.

    So far they haven’t. It’s rarely raised at the federal level.

    Would I be right in guessing the supposed gerrymander is the way the electoral college works – which was deliberately set up so more populous areas like NY and California did not hold undue power over the rest of the country?

    Nope. It’s Republicans redrawing electoral boundaries in a brazen attempt to quarantine Democrats to a minority of seats. The end result being a 50/50 vote leading to 80% republican seats.

  40. Mother Lode

    So far they haven’t. It’s rarely raised at the federal level.

    Well that was my point.

    As for your gerrymander clarification – the Democrats have been making wild claims and launching legal proceedings for this that and the other since Trump was elected.

    And it is rather rich accusing the Republicans of electoral role shenanigans given the Dimocrats bussing of voters and pressing the dead into service – both things that would be rendered impossible if voter ID was required to vote, which reform the Dims vigorously oppose.

  41. mark jones

    Zatara, thank you soo much for linking that speech.

  42. Professor Fred Lenin

    The procedure is that the decromats had to present to the jury ,the senate evidence of guilt like any prosecutor has to ,the jury then decides if the evidence is sufficient to find the accused gulty. It is not the duty of the jury to assist the prosecution , the jury is to be completely impartial relying only on the evidence presented . Any resemblance between this fiasco and a proper trial is co incidental,,the accused had no legal representation during the investigation , the so called witnesses perjured themselves by making second and third hand allegations and innuendo , it made the Pell fit up look like a real fair trial . Surely the decromats could have asked their fellow socialists in Victoria how to do it ,they would have sent a “libery victoria “judge to assist for a fee of course socialists do nothing for nothing .

  43. FelixKruell

    Mother:

    Go have a read…

    https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/the-secret-files-of-the-master-of-modern-republican-gerrymandering

    My point was that Republicans are hypocritical in accusing anyone else of cheating in elections, when they themselves do it so brazenly.

  44. Colonel Crispin Berka

    Just catching up with Stossel’s spending assessment of the candidates.

    Trump raised spending by 500B/y during his admin. His 2020 campaign promises are now totalling $267B.

    The biggest spender is Bernie, $4.9 Trillion. That’s trillion spelled with a “tee” for Trotsky.
    With current tax receipts totalling 3.6 Trillion per year, Bernie would have to raise the total tax revenue by 34% which may cripple the country, to say nothing of how much value will be destroyed or malinvested by his “job for everyone” edict.

  45. Jannie

    The dismissal of the baseless allegations will not deter the Democrats, at this moment they are hatching their next assault on Trump, more allegations, more concocted witnesses, more media hysteria, more war. They are not going to let Trump “get air”, or govern without 24/7 harassment.

    The US Republican/Democratic system is broken, it doesn’t work, and the only way to stop the Left is the hard way. Its the same in Australia, democracy is over.

  46. Iampeter

    Is this what you’re saying? That despite all this, the only possible good faith conclusion is that Trump bribed Ukraine to discredit Biden?

    Yes. It’s not even clear why you’d bring any of those things up.
    Trump isn’t investigating the Biden’s for anything. Those are just talking points to draw attention away from the fact that he used his personal lawyer to open a back channel with the Ukraine in order to extort them for the purpose of the next election.
    Books can be written about the harebrained nature of such a scheme.

    In any case, conservatives don’t believe this is an impeachable offense, so good luck dealing with corrupt democrats moving forward with any credibility.

    Hope this was all worth it.

  47. Zatara

    “I don’t care what kind of nice, little, legal, Constitutional defenses that they came up with.”

    – Dem Sen. Mazie Hirono

    Exactly so.

  48. Kneel

    “Is that in the rule book of this game?”

    The constitution is clear that the senate and the senate alone tries the case. The rules are the rules the senate itself decides upon, normally decided immediately prior to the trial.

    FYI, the rules in Trump’s case were the exact same rules as for Slick Willy – that that senate had unanimously agreed to. In this case, the Democrats wanted different rules, but didn’t get them.

  49. cohenite

    Trump isn’t investigating the Biden’s for anything.

    Durham is. In Ukraine and China.

    Those are just talking points to draw attention away from the fact that he used his personal lawyer to open a back channel with the Ukraine in order to extort them for the purpose of the next election.

    Like he needed to do for the 2016 election. Oh wait that was the demorats.

    You’re an idiot, a troll and a bad one.

  50. Iampeter

    Durham is. In Ukraine and China.

    No he’s not. It’s not what he’s even doing. Seems like another hare-brained scheme that’s going to backfire and make the Trump administration look corrupt.

    Like he needed to do for the 2016 election. Oh wait that was the demorats.

    I thought the “Russian collusion” of 2016 was all just a mountain out of a molehill. Just democrats being good at playing politics and running circles around the incompetent republicans as usual.
    But since Trump literally engaged in the very thing he had been acquitted of the very next day after his acquittal, you kinda have to think again about that.

    You’re an idiot, a troll and a bad one.

    That’s a good description…of many posters here…just not me. And I think you know it.

  51. Kneel

    ” Durham is. In Ukraine and China.

    No he’s not. “

    Ahem…:
    https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2020/02/fmr-ukrainian-prosecutor-general-shokin-files-criminal-complaint-against-joe-biden.html

    OK, it’s not Durham himself, but it IS happening in the Ukraine, and it IS a Biden investigation.

    Of course, Biden was never a real prospect for Democrat nomination – they HAD to have him as the “main contender” in order for the “Orange man bad” to work in this case. Watch the Dems drop him as soon as impeachment is voted down in the senate – much like Mueller.

  52. The BigBlueCat

    Recent posts from our well-known collectivist and (it seems) Socialist Democrat supporter …

    Well yea, because they refused to provide them.
    Basically the precedent has now been set that a corrupt President cannot be removed from office by Congress and America takes another step in the direction of something like Venezuela. All thanks to conservatives, the leftists that keep on giving!

    The case was clearly a partisan case originating from Pelosi, Shiff, Shumer and Nadler and the calls for Trump’s impeachment started from Trump’s inauguration. Never forget that only Democrats supported Trump’s impeachment in the house, with one of them now becoming a Republican on the back of his view that the impeachment process was fatally flawed.

    Trump’s legal team had no ability to cross-examine witnesses during the House enquiry, and Republican Reps were locked out of secret basement depositions and hearings. The House inquiry was far from fair and demonstrably so (remember Shiff’s parody of the Trump-Zelinski call?). Trump was right to test the Democrat’s resolve regarding White House staff (and others) appearing before the House inquiry. Why should he just “roll over”? Trump wanted the third branch of the government to decide the matter, but the Democrats didn’t have the ticker to go down that road. It was the Democrats who withdrew their subpoenas in the face of Trump’s resistance, and then they claim obstruction? Spare me!

    Despite “overwhelming and compelling evidence” (according to Shiff, Shumer, Nadler, etc) they called for additional witnesses during the Senate trial. If the charges and investigation were thorough (as well as bi-partisan), additional witnesses would not have mattered. The charges and the evidence provided by the House should have been sufficient, and the House should not have been asking the Senate to do the job for them.

    Therefore, it’s not an issue regarding “the precedent has now been set that a corrupt President cannot be removed from office”, but an issue of highly partisan charges unsupported by evidence or documentation that should not have reached the Senate in the first place. Trump may very well be corrupt and his behaviour impeachable, just not on the evidence provided by the House Democrats. But it is clear that if he was guilty of Treason, Bribery and Other Misdemeanours and it can be proven in a Senate trial, then the US Constitution provides the means to remove him from office. Nothing has changed here.

    Trump isn’t investigating the Biden’s for anything. Those are just talking points to draw attention away from the fact that he used his personal lawyer to open a back channel with the Ukraine in order to extort them for the purpose of the next election.

    Books can be written about the harebrained nature of such a scheme.

    In any case, conservatives don’t believe this is an impeachable offense, so good luck dealing with corrupt democrats moving forward with any credibility.

    Had there been witnesses at the Senate trial, Hunter Biden would likely have been called to give an account of his time with Burisma. Perhaps even Joe Biden to give his account of the shakedown regarding withholding funds unless the Ukraine prosecutor investigating Burisma was fired. Trumps apparent dealings with Ukraine are either the same as Joe Biden’s, and should be considered “de rigueur” for US Presidents in order to protect US national interest, or both Joe Biden and Trump need to be held to account (and perhaps a plethora of previous US Presidents as well).

    I thought the “Russian collusion” of 2016 was all just a mountain out of a molehill. Just democrats being good at playing politics and running circles around the incompetent republicans as usual.
    But since Trump literally engaged in the very thing he had been acquitted of the very next day after his acquittal, you kinda have to think again about that.

    Russia collusion? Read the Mueller Report – no collusion, and irrelevant to the impeachment as it’s not in the charges. And Trump is yet to be acquitted on the impeachment charges – that vote is likely on Feb 5th. But indications are that he will be.

    Democrats being good at politics? Time will tell, but it seems many Democrat voters are either going to withhold their vote or vote Republican in the next election on the back of clearly improper behaviour by Pelosi, Shiff, Nadler, Shumer and other leading Democrats. The numbers will be very interesting, and it certainly remains to be seen if Joe Biden has benefitted from the Trump impeachment attempt.

    It seems to me that Iampeter is more likely to support the Socialist / Collectivist Democrats’ sham trial than he is to protect the personal rights and privileges of the POTUS (whoever that might be). Trump is doing what the “hero” of Atlas Shrugged! would do in the face of a clearly partisan attempt to oust him from office. But Iampeter doesn’t like that. Just goes to show ….

  53. John of Mel

    Jeffery Epstein will vote early and often in many states.

    And you know why?
    Because he didn’t kill himself.

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